
See if you get the same reaction. Two things struck me in Froomkin’s column yesterday — the first from Froomkin, himself:
What’s also telling, as usual, is what Bush didn’t say yesterday, and doesn’t say, period.
He doesn’t say we won’t allow ourselves to be terrorized, and we won’t be afraid. (That would run counter to the central Republican game plan for the mid-term election.) He doesn’t say that in our zeal to fight the terrorists, we won’t give up the qualities that make America great. He acknowledges no mistakes, he calls for no sacrifice, he refuses to reach out to those who disagree with him.
And the second from Mike Allen in Time:
Thirty-five minutes after President Bush finished his surprise East Room announcement last week about plans for prosecuting some of the world’s most prominent terrorists, White House and Republican officials convened a conference call of conservative TV pundits and other allies, and later of state party leaders around the country. A participant said listeners were urged to spread the word about the aggressive speech ‘by talking about it in the context of the election.’ The message: Republicans are strong, and Democrats are weak. The White House strategy isn’t subtle.
It is an extraordinary compilation that Froomkin put together yesterday, including linking up Andrew Sullivan’s reportage on Rove’s purported "Hail Mary" strategy for the elections in November. But those two quotes in particular stood out for me for one reason alone: The GOP has fear as an election tactic, and that’s about it.
But most folks aren’t buying fear any longer. You know why? Because the issues they deal with day in and day out don’t give them much room around the edges to run and hide — they are too busy working two jobs, raising their kids, cutting out coupons, walking to work to save on gas, and putting on an extra sweater so the themostat stays low.
And that doesn’t leave much room for a cheery disposition for most of America. And who do you think Mr. and Mrs. Every Day Average American are going to blame for that in November?
The NYTimes has an extraordinary glimpse into a swing district in Colorado:
Leaving services Sunday morning at Faith Bible Chapel, an evangelical megachurch, Jim McBride, a pilot who served in Vietnam, said he was not happy with President Bush’s handling of Iraq. And he displayed little inclination to rethink his position despite the White House’s new push to focus this year’s Congressional elections on which party will keep the nation safer.
“I do have a bit of mistrust,” said Mr. McBride, who said that he twice voted for Mr. Bush but that he is now disappointed — a sentiment he said is shared by many in his Bible study group. “The whole thing about W.M.D. and that Iraq is somehow tied to 9/11, I just don’t believe it.”
Mr. Bush has plenty of supporters in this Denver suburb and the surrounding cities, an evenly divided swing district that is a bellwether in the battle for control of the House. But interviews over the last three days here found Republicans, Democrats and independents all expressing degrees of skepticism about Mr. Bush’s motives in delivering a set of high-profile speeches on terrorism and the war in Iraq two months before Election Day.
While it is too early to know whether the White House will succeed in winning over enough voters to make a difference in what is shaping up as a tight race, the interviews suggested that Mr. Bush’s newest efforts to cast his party as better suited than Democrats to defend the country had yet to overcome concern and anger among many voters about Iraq and a more generalized sense of discontent with the administration.
“I have been a Republican all my life, but we have just gotten to the point where we may need a change,” said Shannon Abote, an Arvada resident who was stopping at Starbucks for a coffee on Monday morning.
If Bush is losing the megachurch crowd, he’s in bigger trouble than I thought. I have been hearing these same sorts of sentiments from Republicans that I know, who are lifelong conservatives, but disgusted with the Bush Administration’s lack of fiscal acumen and their shambles of a foreign and domestic policy of any kind other than "fear, fear, fear." And former military types that I know go even further with their mistrust and anger, as they have watched from the sidelines while our armed services have born the brunt of all of this idiocy — knowing first hand how difficult it was to rebuild after Vietnam, and understanding that we are looking at the same sort of scenario again.
Think about it for a moment: Iraq is going badly. Afghanistan isn’t going well either at the moment with a resurgence of the Taliban in a number of provinces. And our foreign policy successes? (hahahahahaha Oh, good one.)
Energy prices are up — and with the election in November, Rove had better start praying now for a warm winter in a lot of close districts, because folks aren’t exactly going to be smiling as they write out those utility checks. Or when they fill up their gas tanks (although the annual right after labor miraculous drop in prices has occurred across the board at the gas pumps — how do they do that every single year?). Did I mention interest rates are up? And balloon payments are coming due all across the country over the next few months.
How are things going at your kid’s school? Crime up in your neighborhood? How are people in the lower portion of the economic sector fareing in your town? Spend any time talking to the folks that run local missions or homeless shelters — because where I come from, they are swamped this year.
Most folks don’t pay attention to political discussions or much of the news — but they do pay attention to the fact that groceries are higher, and that their paychecks aren’t making it to the end of the month as easily as they used to do.
George Bush and his political pack of cronies are scared, alright — but it’s the potential for accountability, not terrorism, that has them shaking in their shoes. Had enough?
(Illustration by Yves Hentic.)
(And, FYI, since cooler weather is approaching, it’s a great time to clean out your closet and take any coats that are in good condition but that you no longer wear much to a local shelter, mission or battered women’s shelter — kids especially need some help this time of year, and it’s a great way to put the stuff your kids have outgrown to really good use.
Also, battered women’s shelters are often in dire need of clothing donations for both women and kids — most folks leave with only what they have on their back, for obvious reasons, and the women who go there have difficulty going to a job interview in some old sweatpants and a ripped shirt. So please, consider a little Fall cleaning if you can spare an item or two. I used to donate dresses and suits on occasion, and they were much appreciated by the folks who wanted to go out and get a job and stand on their own two feet — sometimes for the first time in their lives. Did this for my clients, too, and it was always such an amazing thing to be able to give someone a little hope.)
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Fitz!
Keith!
I’m thinking of Monsters Inc, where the closet doors have to be shredded once the kids aren’t scared by the monsters in our closet anymore. BOO, not so scary! Shred away America!
Fitz!
And ReddHedd
Somebody emailed me the KO commentary from last night (I got home late and missed it)
Youza!
KO on fire
BTW
I know I have been in a really foul mood the last couple days. I don’t do 9-11 well. I get like this every year.
I probably should have had the sense to stay off the toobz completely until it blew over.
I’m sorry for all the negativity.
LHP – here’s KO on youtoob
Excellent suggestions, Christy — leave it to you!
Morning, lhp. How’s that furniture-menace at your house? You know, the one with the nifty high-steps and the sharp little teefies?
Maybe the megachurches are feeling the pinch too. They can’t keep preaching the doctrine of fear and hate Sunday after Sunday because church members vote with their feet…
lhp, absolutely no need for an apology. Your remarks came from your heart and your intentions were crystal clear. I am completely grateful for everything you post. Everything.
If Bush is losing the megachurch crowd, he’s in bigger trouble than I thought.
Well, I’ll believe this when I see it.
What meta said, lhp — oh yeah!
{{{{{{{{LHP, sometimes the fire burns a little too brightly for comfort, but given the fuel…..I’m sure it’s more painful to be you when you feel this way that it does to be us.}}}}}}}}}
Good Morning All -
Cool weather has even come to Florida! Wow. Love the graphic Christy. Hope you are having fun in NYC.
Well, Gore is now saying that he won’t rule out another run. Imagine the inspiration that guy could bring to our battered nation. He can really tell it.
I saw the new repugs ad “vote as if your life depends on it”. Well, it does if we do not vote for change, life as we know it will be over.
Nice snippet from the middle of the NYT story Christy links to (emphases mine):
Thanks CHS; if the megachurches are coming around, there is a glimmer!
LHP #5
I think you showed thoughtfulness and restraint in expressing your feelings. And you helped me get through my foul grouchiness, anyway-so thank you!
Room service!
>>
I am blessed with a very prudent wife. When we first met in the ealy ’90’s, my motto was, “If I die and my credit cards are not at their absolute maximum, how can I claim to have truluy lived?!”
But fiscal responsibility came with my relationship and then my first grey hairs and then (completely) with our son’s arrival. We pay off all our credit cards every month (which means we don’t do a lot of shopping) and our one car is paid off and the only big debt is our house. When the refinancing craze was going on, my wife decided it would be better to pay a little more each month for a shorter time to pay off our mortgage.
We are doing OK — house rich in Boston — but many of my neighbors went in for no-down mortgages with adjustable rates. Their payments are now balooning and the value is starting to drop to a point that some own negative equity. Even here in the rather well-to-do suburbs, people are feeling screwed. And angry.
They do not fear the things Bush fears. They are verty worried about the things Bush ignores.
Good morning. Now to read the post.
Fine post, racy graphic. I’m with BobbyK @ 10, though. I had Orwellian nightmare when I went to my polling place on my way to work and it was locked up tight. Oh, no, Bushco has suspended elections until the GWOT is won. Then I remembered primary day voting starts at 11:00 a.m., phew.
As a male member of our species, I gotta ask: “What ball?”
looseheadprop, if you would like to direct my vote for NY AG, tell me now and tell me why.
RawStory: Cheney helps GOP Rep. who bullied wife with two guns… Soon…
Cheney loves him some guns.
I hope we don’t, but rather fear that we may, see a rash of McMansion arsons as this gets worse, imm.
twolf1 @ 23
… and loves him some bullying even better’n salted-to-death steak.
“The safety of America depends on the outcome of the battle in the streets of Baghdad,” he said.
George Bush, 9/11/06
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
We’ve survived the British, fighting a bloody war to establish our country. We fought them off again in 1812. Endured a ruinous Civil War, two World Wars fought to mostly satisfactory conclusions. Then we survive two more calamities in Korea and Viet Nam, emerging scarred but standing. And now we’re supposed to believe the security and safety of the entire nation hinges on events in a dusty capital of some backward, weak, war torn nation with no standing army and a GNP equal to Rhode Island? If we pull out there’ll be another Battle of Bladensburg, with Washington D.C. again burned to the ground? Bush and every nodding head in America are a sorry, deluded lot.
Good Morning Firedogs,
Christy,
enjoy every delightful sip of the room service coffee – and in New York with Jane ? – wow! hope y’all are having a blast
have been a little out of touch -
Did the Chimp’s speech pre empt football ? – gawd I wish . . .President Heidi
2 other things caught last night -
was struck by the stridency of Max Cleland’s tone – not up for re election and thus less constrained but was thinking he represents the tip of the spear and was wondering how much longer before ‘major Dems’ take that up – my gut says not in time for November, but they could all sound like that by 08 – hope we make it till then
the other was Press For Truth - clicked on it thinking I’d just take a peek, but the filmmakers drew me in – Dear God! it works on so many levels. am tellin’ ya, don’t care how much you know, you will learn something new from watching this film – and yeah OS, Paul Thompson does exactly what The Founders have charged all journalists with doing. And if you think you admire the Jersey Girls and other 9/11 Families now, wait till you see this
was hoping there would be a way for us to watch it virtually together
okay, more coffee
believe that graphic hung for a long time on Grandpa’s pegboard with all the fishing tackle
Howdy Lotus:
Do you have the cool weather too? How did your conversation with Sen. Nelson go?
believe that graphic hung for a long time on Grandpa’s pegboard with all the fishing tackle
cbl, I’d be willing to bet that same artist did the Co’Cola posters that used to festoon my grandparents’ country store (before it burned down).
Mad Dogs at 20 — lol Mr. ReddHedd just phoned and had the same reaction. hehehe I thought the graphic was a perfect illustration of the slight of hand versus the real target maneuvering, all wrapped up in a hot little package. *g*
In this week’s Parade magazine (you know, the supplement to the Sunday paper–and hardly an organ of the Left), they had a profile of a father who lost his son on 9/11. It recounted his journey from wanting only revenge to more of a reconciliation with his son’s death.
His initial thinking … he even had the military put a message with his son’s name on a bomb (a la something they did in WWII).
Then, the epiphany…
I know there are a lot of true believers out there, but one has to wonder about the breadth and depth of current distrust for Bush. My guess would be that it will be not conservatives who suddenly vote Dem, but Republicans who just stay home will swing the election.
btw, this from Dana Milbank is a perfect illustration of the WTF?!? reaction most regular folks in the rest of America are having toward Republicans.
It’s not that I don’t think prevention of horse slaughter is a worthy issue or anything, but spending an entire week on it now when you only have a month of work time at the most and then you are taking another month off to campaign? Helloooooo?!?
Hi, Florida Mom. Mid-70’s here, and just started to rain — maybe the front arriving?
Same old noncommittal dreck from Beel’s phone staff. Registered my views and heard that they’d be passed along to the Senator . . .
I wonder if it means anything that now some of them call me by my first name. I wonder if they giggle, or cuss, after we hang up . . .
Good morning, all. I haven’t even had a chance to read the post above, but I simply HAD to tell you… We have a rabid Republican audiologist in our office and he said this morning as we were discussing yesterday and the Mouse That Whored:
“I know. I mean, I’m glad they had a remembrance and all, but we have an election coming up in 2 months. I think something smells.”
Hot damn! If HE said that there may be hope yet! I’ll be back later at lunchtime to read, but I thought I would bust if I didn’t get that off my keyboard.
I don’t post too often, but I enjoy lurking immensely. I found the mention of megachurches rather timely for me because my 11 yr old brought a library book home yesterday from the Left Behind: The Kids series. They have an AR program at his school where students must read and test to earn points towards a preset goal. Although he is a excellent reader, he doesn’t really like to and he struggles to find books that will hold his interest and are part of the AR testing program. Anyway, he picked this book out because of the graphics on the cover. (They are very eye catching) I asked him if he minded me reading it before he did and then I was really surprised at the lack of coherence and plot. Actually I was stunned that he was considering reading this and I’m quite sure I don’t know what to think about it!!
I finally put my finger on it. If Bush really cared about America, he’d do all those things Froomkin said is missing. He’d say, “I care. There is hope. Don’t fear. Terrorism is around, but we’re going to control it.” He should have said all of those things yesterday, but he didn’t. He should have given hope, but spread fear instead.
He just wants to scare people.
Twolf1 thank you. I loved it. And you do a service to everyone to spread it around. I think that should go viral, kinda like Max Headroom .
Op99- I’m voting for Sean Patrick Maloney. I would have voted for Denise O’Donell (who used to be the US Attorney NDNY and was super qualifed, but she dropped out).
The remaining 3 are not aprticualrly qualifed by their own experience, but Maloney has either realy worked hard to educate himself on the issues, or some truly excellent backroom advice.
Either way, he is the only one who could actually hit the ground running. Not that I think he has a snowball’s chance in …. .But if we don’t start voting for quality, the party will just keep backing hacks. Sigh
Christy Hardin Smith @ 30
Egads…you’re right! There is a ball (or 3) there. Just had to wipe off those steamed up specs of mine. *g*
poormary @ 30
Welcome to comments, hope to see you often. You’re going to use this as a teachable moment about critical thinking skills and bullshit detection, aren’t you?
[”They are too busy working two jobs….And who do you think Mr. and Mrs. Every Day Average American are going to blame for that in November?”]
Actually, don’t they blame THEMSELVES, for not working hard enough? And if you tell them no no, the government can help you, suddenly that’s all commie and socialist. Progressives have GOT to get over that deeply ingrained framing.
Mornin’ all… d r i f t g l a s s summarizes Fartacus’ speechifying very nicely (as always).
horse slaughter ? flag burning ? what the hell’s the difference as the planes continue to unload in Dover and the nation’s soul is a giant scar in lower manhattan ?
fyi – Primary Day in Rhode Island
Hi, poormary, and welcome. What’s “AR”?
thank you, Christy, and may every word be true.
and may we keep working for the prize as if none of it is true.
how many back-lit beauties does Karl have out there for us?
poormary,
Welcome to DeLurkville – the only thing I would add – make sure their Apocalyptic Rapture meme doesn’t scare him as it did many of us exposed to it as kids – make sure he understands it’s only a point of view, liken it to a fairy tale or something out of Ghosts, Ghosts, Ghosts*g*
looseheadprop @ 32
Yikes, I didn’t think you would say him. He’s pro-death-penalty, i’nt he? I’m not a Cuomo fan, to say the least, and I don’t know much about Green. Did you see Jeanette Pirro already running ads that she’s the second coming of Elliot Sptitzer?
Lotus, oh beautiful flower,
Baby Mittens has had her shots is now allowed out inot he world. Her fur is growing in and may completely cover the scar.
School started last week and Mittens has 2 “walks” to the bus stop. Very funny and I carry her more than she walks, but she takes such pleasure in discovering the world.
Yesterday, Mr. Prop took her to the pet store and bought Mittens her first collar. Bright red, which looks very fetching against her almost white coat–she is a very pale yellow lab.
Mittens sems to grasp that the collar is sign that she is a big girl now and gets very excited if you touch it an comment on it.
She is hilarious and has started using the sleeping big dogs like gymnasium pommel horses. Jumping on them to vault herself into the air.
She is definated the alpha dog in our house. All the big dogs let her commit whatever crimes she wants. She has no idea that she spoiled and just thinks all the big people and big dogs are put on this earth to play with her and cuddle her.
She is happy and scrappy and makes me laugh every day. She is still leaving puddles all over the hallway in the night, so people trying to go to the bathroom in the dark, often step in a cold pubble of piss, ick.
Thanks for the drifty, Bong!
Christy, if FDL Books is on your cuppa-with-Jane agenda, some of us were dreaming yesterday that the imprint might someday include the “d r i f t g l a s s’ Greatest Hits” series . . .
looseheadprop @ 40
As long as she doesn’t definate on the carpet.
Oh for some vid of Mittens the gymnast, lhp! Thanks a million for the word-pictures, though.
poormary @ 35
Try reading the book of revelations and you’ll get the same reaction.
lina @ 43
Mweehee.
{{{{{{{smooches}}}}}}}
Pirro the second coming of Spitzer? That’s rich, op99!
In Georgie boy’s interview with Matt, he emphasized more than once getting information from those “captured on the battle field”. “Battle field” must be a euphemism for any location they decide is a battlefield. A “person of interest” may be “captured” from an airport or house or anywhere & sent to overseas black hole prisons that georgie said did not exist until last week for “legal” torture. And Georgie in our faces with jaw thrust out says, “you gotta a problem with that?”
Come on everybody, sing with me:
“They’ve only just begun…” http://www.rawstory.com/news/2….._0911.html
“Vote as if your life depends on it. Because it does.” How true!
op99 @ 49
I’m also convinced that whoever wrote the Book of Revelations was on LSD (or some ancient equivalent).
sounds like it might be remix time for “Have you had enough” with snippets of FDR’s “we have nothing to fear but fear itself” and maybe some JFK
lhp enjoy Mittens. Those only puppies are usually heathens. No one disciplines them and they don’t interact with equals and often grow up to be impossible. At least that is the case with the single Airedale puppy I raised. Hopefully labs are more willing to please.
looseheadprop @
5
Girl, you and me both. You can vent here all you want. We loves us some lhp!
Gunmen attack U.S. embassy in Damascus, 4 dead
tommy!
Long live the 5th Estate… the Blogs…
I was upset last week with all the MSM flogging of Fitzy…
If it wasn’t for Libby’s lawyers being so busy
with other matters, perhaps the Libby trial
would be beginning in September, not January
2007, after the elections…
To me, the CIA leak case will bring Cheney
and Bush down since they were in it from day
one, “These dreary dumps” –Titus Andronicus, I.i
Jack
Every time I hear another speech by Bush regarding the “War on Terrorism” and how we’re winning it, I am constantly thinking of the image of “Baghdad Bob,” who kept reassuring the media and the Iraqis that they were winning the war and defeating the U.S. when we were invading the country
Bush = Baghdad Bob
Looks like Ted Stevens parked his truck on thinkprogress.orgs intertoobz
Mornin’ all.
Thanks again, Christy.
I was listening to NPR this morning and there was a great story that I caught the end of about a Muslim Imam (have a call in to provide ya’ll with a link). He spoke native English so I’m sure he’s here stateside. Anyway he had a very insightful perspective and brought up a great quote and point at the end.
The Imam then emphasized the fact that Eisenhower said this after he defeated the FASCISTS in WWII.
I read lst left behind book & it creeped me out. I think they are evil. (Lousy writing too.) I don’t believe in book burning but if I did, this series would be the first thing I would throw on the bonfire & have someone do a cleansing ceremony.
pol @ 36
Yep. Fear puts people who are susceptible to it into the authoritarian follower mindset. But since they’ve been getting hit on the fact that they haven’t made us safer, they’re trying to push the rather bizarre theme “We’re doing a great job of making you safer (but you should still be afraid!)“
I think the first part of dealing with this is mockery. (The Daily Show did pretty well on this last night.)
The second part is to continue to hit on their failures.
The final part is to say loud and proud: We are not afraid!
(And doesn’t it give you a warm patriotic feeling to be going against what the terrorists want and what the Republicans want?)
Bush = Baghdad Bob
Brilliant, andrew! Oh man, let’s call the DNC and tell Howard Dean to get that ad campaign on the air everywhere!
Pade 57; I take exception to your description of heathens. We are often disciplined, get along well with others and even grow up to be progressives sometimes!
Good morning. I had 2 memorable moments this weekend – and neither advanced my reputation very much.
First my son – the conservative who hangs with ex-military guys and after 9/11 was all for bombing every Middle Eastern country UGH – called me and said I should watch the ‘movie’ about 9/11. I started in about the movie being all lies – yelling I believe – and after some verbal combat he said MOM, NOT THE MOVIE, the documentary on the other channel. OHHHH, I said, so sorry. He said he loved it when his Mom has to say ’sorry.’
He is still quite believing of rightwing propaganda, but at least he got the info right about the movie.
THEN, I was at my daughter’s house and mentioned that she should watch for Scholastic info about the movie and for teacher’s guides and that Scholastic had initially been involved in distributing guides for the movie. I think I used the word “lie” quite often talking about Scholastica.
So, the next morning my daughter called and said the kids were in tears last night because they get their books from Scholastica at a fraction of the cost of the bookstores and they thought they could not buy any more Big Red books, and Casey wanted to know if her children’s dictionary was full of lies. OOPS.
Need to be a little bit more careful when voicing my disapproval about something. I just mentioned to my daughter she should watch for materials mentioning the movie. She explained to the kids that ‘Grandma’ just wanted them to think for themselves and not to beleve everything that even teachers say. :)
But had to say ‘SORRY’ twice yesterday. It was all good I suppose.
As to the 9/11 conspiracy theories that Bush “let it happen.” One thing is certain. A new investigation is needed. There are big questions that remain unanswered. The hardest part is realizing that it’s possible. At first, I refused to entertain two major concerns…one, that bush allowed 9/ll to happen. Not possible I thought. Too evil. Then election fraud. Today I believe that both issues need to be investigate and I have realized with that the Plame leak tells me “there is very little this president would not do” because of morals. He has no conscience that I can see. The pattern fits. Katrina, 9/ll, voting machines, iraq war, afghanistan war. What wouldn’t he do?? He’s willing to let people die for profit and politics. We know this from the Iraq war and it’s beginnings. We have the facts that tell us he lied to us. It no longer makes sense to doubt that he is capable of this type of behavior. In fact it is far more likely that because he was capable once, and there are all these situations where loss of life was not a concern…and all the fear mongering. It’s obvious. He is capable of almost anything. We need to shift our fear from invisible issues and focus on the people who have subverted our democracy and democracy around the world. The administration that has determined by his own lack of action that loss of life (if its just the poor folk!) doesn’t phase him. He’s a blasphemer not a christian.
op99 @ 46
We need to be afraid, but some folks have been afraid of the wrong things. We need to be afraid that we have lost our democracy to capitalist interests. We need to fear bush and his neo con gang. Now there’s a valid fear. We do need to vote, speak out, demand accountability for the sake of saving ourselves.
Re: My #68
Somehow my text got into Op99’s quote box. I am responsible for those comments. So Mr. Cuomo and Mr. Greene, It’s me you should be mad at not Op.
Gotta go to vote now. catch you when I get to the office.
Enjoy the coffee
Lotus,
AR = Advanced Reading
Lotus @43
Since no one else answered your question
I assume AR is the USPS abbreviation for Arkansas
Katie Jensen #67; I agree- also because the 9-11 commission’s last vestige of credibility went out the window when Governor Kean co-produced that crockumentary.
pol @
36
He just wants to demagogue people into preserving the rethug majority in Congress, because without it all the dirt will get emptied out of the vacuum cleaner.
I don’t think the chicken little approach is going to work for them anymore, even with a massive attack. It get much worse before election day. The swift boaters of yore will appear to be moderate before its over.
Idea for a comic:
Bush lying in bed with covers pulled up to his chin. Murky-looking figures hiding in the closet. Bush is yelling: “Mommy, mommy! Monsters in the closet!”
I can’t draw. Can you? There was a long run of good examples for this kind of comic in Bloom County, in the mid-80’s.
Ridicule is powerful, and I have a sense that the notion of Republicans as scaredy-cats is beginning to take hold.
Lotus at 43 I defer to Dale, that’s what I get for assuming.
LHP — you go right ahead with your foul mood this time of year; it’s perfectly normal, a part of the grieving process. Does NOT help that a certain political party insists on picking and poking at the site of the physical and spiritual wound every damned year, either, preventing it from healing properly.
It occurred to me after reading Tim Grieve in Salon’s War Room that Bush and the right-wing opened themselves as a target of a weapon they used against Clinton.
Stay the course, he says = Wagging the Dog
Stay until the work is done = Wagging the Dog, again
Fight for civilization = Wagging the Dog
War is not over = Wagging the Dog
GWOTForeverWar = Wagging the Dog
Safer but not safe = Wagging the Dog
Look, Islamofascists!! = Wagging the Dog
They are constantly using fear to redirect attention from their grossly negligent and incompetent responses to any needs, domestic or foreign. They pounded on Clinton to the point of undermining his ability to protect us, accusing him of “wagging the dog” with NATO action in the Balkans to distract us from the mess of the blue dress — but they have far exceeded any remote possibility that Clinton wagged any dog.
The Iraq War was a wag of the dog to keep us from seeing the failure to deal with al Qaeda and OBL.
The Iraq War is a wag of the dog to keep us from seeing the purge of a unique American city, NOLA, and from seeing the neglect of the entire Gulf Region save for Trent Lott and Haley Barbour.
The Iraq War is a wag of the dog redirecting our attention from the mounting deficit in both trade and money, threatening our prosperity.
The Iraq War is a wag of the dog blinding folks to the slow-motion implosion of our economy now that the housing market has collapsed with loans no longer cheap because of our demand for borrowing.
And now the threat of another war on the horizon, with Iran — or maybe Syria, after the bombing today in Damascus.
Wagging the f*cking dog. All of it.
petedownunder @ 81
Can you help me with EPU’D?>
DaleFromIndiana @ 76
petedownunder @ 77
Hmmm — I’d normally be more inclined to your explanation, Dale, but given the text under discussion, pete may have a good point too . . .
poormary @ 35,
As a mom, I know how you feel. My older son, when he was a teen, went to a church I wasn’t familiar with because many of his friends went there. Surprised the daylights out of his father and me when he came home from church camp talking about how everyone had been “slain in the spirit” and spoken in tongues.
So I started going to church with him. Read all the Left Behind books as they were passed from member to member. They’re frightening and not my idea of good writing, and especially they are not loving. They give vent to lots of tired, hateful stereotypes about liberals, women, gays, artistic types, Catholics…it’s sort of like reading a Chick tract only with more words.
I don’t know what to tell you except get out your Bible and be prepared to counter a lot of crap.
Lou Costello @ 52
I’m really getting tired of this crap, which I will address talking point by talking point, which are numbered below:
1. Since 9/11, most Americans know the world is a dangerous place.
Since 911? Where have you been? The world has been always been a dangerous place. Most Americans remember World War 2, Korea, the cold war,
the Cuban missile crisis, etc.
2. Islamic terrorists hate us for who we are and what we stand for.
Among the many reasons extremists of all types
hate their enemies.
3. Some people seem to think, however, that if we retreat
our terrorist enemies will leave us alone.
The right wing ’some say’ straw man. Who thinks this? Name names.
I don’t believe that our enemies will leave us alone that if we don’t combat them.
If you do, you’re a fool.
4. They say we should close Guantanamo, where captured foes are kept
from waging war against us.
Some say again.
Guantanamo is code for incarceration without due process of any sort, rendition, torture.
What Guantanamo symbolizes is characteristic of tyrants and dictators,
and is inconsistent with the American values the terrorists hate us for. (See 2.)
“The power of the Executive to cast a man into prison without formulating any charge known
to the law, and particularly to deny him the judgment of his peers, is in the highest degree
odious and is the foundation of all totalitarian government whether Nazi or Communist.” Winston Churchill
Captured foes should be interrogated, charged, tried, and if found guilty, punished.
5. They say we should get out of Iraq, where democracy is just getting a foothold.
6. They seem to think we’ll be safer if we cut-and-run.
More some says.
Nonexistent post war planning reduced the prospect for democracy in Iraq,
and as a result Iraq is near a full fledged civil war.
(Defeating the Iraqi armed forces was accomplished years ago.)
Winning Iraqi hearts and minds is a political process.
It can’t be accomplished with guns and bullets.
Our armed forces are best employed against threats that can be
countered with military force, not as long term occupation forces.
We will be safer by spending the Iraqi war funding in defense of our borders, upgrading intelligence,
etc.
7. But our enemies will see this as proof of our weakness.
Our continuing presence in Iraq demonstrates to our enemies that we are too stupid
to disengage from a quagmire with increasingly dismal prospects for success that consumes our strength.
That’s real weakness.
8. They’ll be more convinced than ever that murdering Americans advances their cause,
and they’ll try to do so again here at home.
If they’re convinced that murdering Americans in America advances their cause, whether or not
we are in Iraq won’t affect that belief.
9. They next time someone suggests America should cut-and-run from the war on terror,
ask them, “run to where?”
More ’some say’ straw men attempting to confuse the Iraq war with anti-terrorist activities.
The “war on terror” is a concerted effort to counter the actions of
a relatively small number of extremists who have attacked numerous
western countries, most recently New York, London, Madrid.
Anti-terrorist police work historically has been effective in combating these types of plots.
Cross border anti-terrorist police work requires close cooperation between the
police and intelligence services of friendly nations.
Cowboy diplomacy is not conducive to getting close cooperation from other nations.
Lastly, if the war in Iraq is the be all and end all to combating extremists who engage in terrorist acts, why don’t we have 500,000 troops there like we did in Viet Nam?
dave neiwert has a fantastic post up… on “Islamofascism” called Projecting fascism.
he elaborates on ideas brought up by john dean (and and dr. bob) here on sunday.
dave ends with:
a must read.
That’s where the anger comes from – not disagreement, but lies and manipulation of govt to the point where there is no part of govt that can be trusted; no person in govt that can be trusted; no part or person that you can view with any confidence. It makes me very sad and some days just angry.
I watched all of Olberman’s show. Even before his comment, the show had hit hard. I’ve given up on watching things like the Today show, so the segment with Lauer surprised me. Bush oozed the defensive anger that comes from taken equal parts guilt, knowledge of guilt, and meglomania, and getting them really really shaken.
He must be getting tough off the wires messages from overseas, bc of how fast he leaped on that – people who “aren’t Americans” and who can’t know what it was like – those are the ones critical of torture – no Americans. In response to ‘do you risk making us like the terrorists’ his only answer an angry, almost chest butting, “I” have made your family safer.
Bush reeks of fear and angry sniping to try to cover – what dog trainers call a fear biter.
Then Keith Olberman got to his comment and my jaw just dropped. Then again, then again. No one even tries to talk like that anymore.
It’s a shame he is backed and fronted by things that aren’t worth watching – but it’s worth digging through to find him.
Dale, EPU’d (for Evil Parallel Universe, to whom this often happened early on in FDL history) means “to post a comment so late on a thread that, by now, most everybody is ‘upstairs’ commenting on a newer thread.”
IMM at 17 said “They do not fear the things Bush fears. They are very worried about the things Bush ignores.” I think this goes along with Katie’s comments. Health Care and the economy are high on the list of concerns.
Margot @ 80
My ten year old is learning Bible stories at Sunday School in the UCC church.
He learns from me that the Bible was written by humans, some inspired by God, some inspired by God-knows-what.
I would have no problem with him reading the Left Behind stuff, because he knows fact from fiction.
selise – thanks for the pointer to Neiwert’s Orcinus.
When Dave first did his 6 part series on Fascism, I disagreed with him; he called what we are seeing “pseudo-fascism” and “proto-fascism”. I didn’t think then that it was “pseudo” or “proto”…it is Fascism, period.
Like racism: you either are racist or you are not. No pseudo- or proto- about it.
I’ll be sure to go to Orcinus right now; Neiwert’s work is head and shoulders above most of his colleagues.
The GOP also has the “mighty wurlitzer,” and the arrogant steam-roller tactic of “Path to 9/11″ cannot be minimized. They are going to rewrite history, and keep rewriting, and keep rewriting. The power of the msm is far from trivial in a world where most voters are still getting their idea of reality from a glimpse at the 6 o’clock news while making dinner. The fate of Olberman will be instructive, since he’s willing to actually speak the truth on msm.
Rayne, did you see andrew at 63 (or me at 68) on your way in? Same as your “Wag the Dog,” but fresher in the minds of teeners and 20-somethings, yes?
‘Welcome to comments, hope to see you often. You’re going to use this as a teachable moment about critical thinking skills and bullshit detection, aren’t you?’
Thanks Op99. This kid is full of critical thinking skills :) In fact, I’m beginning to believe that most are born with them and we somehow deprive them of the ability to use them until they are gone. Then we have to reintroduce the whole concept. I’m trying to decide whether or not to have him read the first couple of chapters just to show him the (what I consider) weak plot. And believe me I’ll read anything, ha-ha. His reading teacher for the year told the students to read 15 to 50 pages of a book and if you just don’t like it, don’t waste your time.
lotus, AR = Accelerated Reading. It’s a program used to develop reading skills in preparation for the TAKS tests here in Texas.
cbl, we discussed that last night. His statement/question was “what makes them think God is so cruel?” He was quite indignant about it. Up on his toes, jabbing his finger in the air. I had to control myself, ha-ha.
lina, I actually got my bible out last night. I guess you could say that was one positive thing about the whole experience!
Thanks for the welcome.
O/T -
Rayne, if you’re here
can not for the life of me remember the name of a shareholder activist – older woman, nationally profiled (60 minutes, etc.)Asking you b/c you mentioned her in comments not that long ago – was just hoping/wondering she was Disney shareholder – probably not – she tends to pick winners, but would love to check up on her holdings
Morning all…
George Voinovich just said he watched the ABC movie and it reminded him what we are up against while speaking at the Senate Homeland Security cmte mtg live on cspan.
Thanks George, for lending credence to a smoking piles of lies.
The rethugs are spinning the “GWOT” folks: conflating WW2 and today.
now off to read the comments.
I think perhaps W is now the boy who cried “wolf” too often.
WE are afraid the last 35-40 percent won’t ever see the light. Probably not.
So we have to just keep after the 10-15% who have apparently changed their minds about W over the last two years. Some of them were probably on the edge with him then. Now, they are pretty solid, at least half of them, with us. It is the 5-7% who are back and forth in that 35-40% that swings now.
hey poormary -
where in Texas are you ? believe Lina is in San Anton, I’m in the exurbs northeast of Austin – there’s bunches more of us here at The Lake – looking towards a meet up in the coming weeks
Christy – a song for you and Jane
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gSGgmQSoPo
angie @ 91
it certainly does — the Goebbels brigade.
lotus — heh. I think a few of us were on the same wavelength. I missed yours because I was still typing away at mine.
Baghdad Bush wagging that dog. What an image!
cbl — you know, I have not yet run across her name. You are on it, great idea, especially if pared with Stephen Parrish’s observation about YWAM’s status as a 501c3 and Prof’s concern about the YWAM’s status as a cultic cut-out (at least I think that’s where Prof’s head is on that).
I’ll have to poke around some more. Would behoove many of you with index funds in your 401K’s or other investments to check to see if Disney is a component in the fund’s holdings; you can demand the fund manager take action about Disney’s management’s failure to exercise reasonable fiscal responsibility in due diligence on projects, exposing the corporation to unreasonable legal risks. If you find that Disney was owned by your mutual funds on 10th and 11th of this month, send a letter to the fund manager and COPY Disney’s CEO Iger on the letter.
Squirm, you fascist corporatist pigs in the House of Mouse, squirm.
cbl @ 93
i’m in so. calif. — land of date shakes and cosmetic surgery.
Hey Angie!
Neiwert’s Orcinus talks about John Dean’s answer to someone’s question. I believe that was your question…
You can blush now.
looseheadprop @
37
I just got back ffrom the polls. Voted for Mahoney (because I think he is real and I like him in a Lamont kind of way), Tasini (to send Hillary a message that I am not happy with her Iraq posturing) and everyone in Brooklyn who is against the Atlantic Yards project, with the exception of Charles Barron for US Rep, because he has launched the most credible challenge to Rep Ed Towns, who is such a lame pro-CAFTA/NAFTA crony he couldn’t even be bothered to show up to vote on the budget and was called on the carpet by Pelosi for it.
Bringing forward a comment I left early on the Late Night thread – fits better here, as we keep our eyes on the ball . . .
I know something about public speaking – I’ve written and delivered a fairly public address an average of at least once a week, every week, for the last 18 years. I’ve helped with political speeches, and I’ve read presidential speeches voraciously ever since junior high.
After tonight’s address, I had the same thought QUALAR did above: “Deer in the headlights” is back indeed.
Olbermann quoted Lincoln’s Gettysburg Address right before Bush spoke, and everyone watching knew that there was no way Bush was going to speak like that. Put Bush up alongside Kennedy, FDR, Reagan, or Teddy Roosevelt, and he comes up short. Every time. And it’s not even close.
Here’s the worst part: I think Bush likes that.
He thinks it shows that he’s an “ordinary guy” in an extraordinary job, and that this will help him connect with other “ordinary folks” out there in TV land. That might have worked when he was running for office against Gore and Kerry, who could wonk with the best of them. But now, he’s president, and no one – not even the GOPers – want a president who can’t give a coherent speech, nor a president who can’t inspire when inspiration is called for.
Petedownunder (love the handle, BTW!) hit this one on the head: “Drown out the Orwellian Rove with the truth told plainly.” (emphasis added)
The truth told plainly is Harry Truman, going after war profiteers. The truth told plainly is MLK, Jr. on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial. The truth told plainly is what makes Olbermann so exciting to watch. The truth told plainly is Barbara Jordan going after the criminal activities of the Nixon White House. The truth told plainly is part of Ned Lamont’s appeal. The truth told plainly is why John Murtha scares the bejesus out of Karl Rove.
Let the word go out, from this time and place, to all the progressives running for office, all the campaign workers for these candidates, and all the supporters who want them to win: The Truth Told Plainly will win elections. It’s time, and folks have had enough.
ironranger @ 64
I’ve never read any of the Left Behind books, but the Left Behind for kids are sorely lacking IMHO. I’m not so sure a bonfire would be the anwser…..you might burn it in place of heating oil this winter though. :)
sorry lina,
wishful thinking, confused you with LJ/Aquaria
cbl, it’s Hopie in San Anton, and isn’t li’l dog near Austin too? She must still be on her biz trip — at least I hope that’s why we’re not hearing from her lately.
cbl @ 7:02 am
“can not for the life of me remember the name of a shareholder activist…”
Might her name be Evelyn Davis?
Rayne @ 84
i think the impulse is fascist… and whether we’re there or not depends on your perspective – who you are and what your experiences have been. i bet some of the people beaten bloody during this police riot would agree with you. i was only tear gassed and pepper sprayed, so i’m still on the fence. (this is one of the many pics i took in 2003 during the miami ftaa protests while volunteering with the NLG as a legal observer)
Stephen Parrish, CPA
i wuv you
lina @ 88,
God-knows-what is my reaction to several parts of the bible.
Margot @ 83
Although this might be an issue when he’s older, right now he just needs to find enough books to fill his point quota for the 9 weeks. He thought there might be a lot of action in the books, but I didn’t see any. It’s too bad he can’t read Star Wars books. That’s what has his interest right now!!
Researching the authors, Tim LeHaye & what’s his name, of the left behind books is quite interesting. Newsweek had a piece on them a while back & there is tons of other info on them. Not any kind of Christians I would want to meet.
Now there is the left behind video game out with lovely stuff like blowing away people that would make Jesus weep.
I guess the series could be read as a tutorial on a wrathful God interpretation of the Bible.
So last night we got a recounting from KO on what leadership we should be getting, and then Chimpy used his prime-time address to
heal and rally the nationpimp his war again.Quite the junxtaposition, no?
poormary @ 112
Why can’t he read Star Wars Books? Are you saying that the school reading program allows the LeHaye drek and not star wars? I am assuming this is a public school…Perhaps a call into the teacher re this might be in order.
I read tons of “crap” when I was a kid. But I read lots of good stuff too. The crap was just filler, but it didn’t hurt me — and imo, anything that keeps a kid reading is good, so I would let them read whatever catches their fancy (though I might be tempted to interfer with “left Behind!”). On a more humorous note, when my daughter was 13-14 she and all her friends read the whole Flowers in the Attic series (big in the late 80s, early 90s) — just found out that it was all about brother-sister incest. Had I known that . . . oh, well it doesn’t seem to have hurt her at all!
meta @
9
Ditto
lina @ 89
lina- That is pretty much how we discussed it. I told him I disagreed with the writer’s religious stance and that if he wanted to read the book he needed to understand it was fiction colored by their personal beliefs. I also told him my opinion on their writing skills. If he decides to go ahead and read it (he hasn’t started it yet) I will be shocked if he thinks the plot interesting or engaging. Remember, he has to be able to retain the subject matter and be tested on it to get credit for it. I lost track of the characters in the first 10 pages. He is already reading under duress. :)
Rayne @
92
Rayne,
Isn’t Dave trying to work through it analytically to clarify all of the possible tenets of fascism where it can be dealt with in it’s various manifestations? You’re probably more prepared than me academically on this issue.
I felt I had a much clearer understanding of what we’re up against as a result of reading Neiwert (as well as understanding women’s issues better after reading your comments yesterday, or was it Sunday?).
OT but fascinating:
Just like his master, Tony Blair looks more pathetic by the day.
cbl @ 96
cbl- I’m half way between Austin and San Antonio!
Stephen, Rayne, and others -
interesting – Evelyn Davis is a Disney shareholder
she was however, an Eisner ally – in my limited reading she may have taken up for him b/c she was suspicious of Roy Disney and that Gold fella’s true motives in the Get Eisner campaign
although this turkey was Eisner’s, they broadcast it with no ad revenue, and invited legal action on Iger’s watch – don’t know her current mindset on it, but it appears she might be ready to poke Roy’s boy in the eye
question: Did this dog air with ads in UK & NZ ? if so, who were they ??
Morning, all –
Another longtime lurker, seldom poster: While you’re cleaning out clothes for the women’s shelter, remember cosmetics.
When I used to travel on business, I would collect all the sample cosmetics from various hotels. When I had critical mass, I’d donate them to the local shelter, on the theory that a woman running for her life is not going to stop to pack her shampoo.
And on the subject of whether Dim Son cares about Merrika, may I refer you to LondonYank’s most excellent diary about the Bush family business connections back several generations: http://www.dailykos.com/story/…..1659/4985.
Some of you will know this already, some may not. It explains much.
To Pam in SC: 5years ago I said- It’s the End of the World as we know it.
T he food shelves are busy here. People should try however, not to donate so much old expired food.
selise — holy.mother.of.heaven. What a photo, that armed flank bearing down on a motley crowd.
That’s a pretty big “impulse”. You were only pepper-gassed and sprayed…but you’re on the fence?
Went to a Bush rally in 2004, protesting outside with 100 folks; we were corralled and detained against a wall outside and across the street from the hall where the rally was held, in our “free speech zone”. When the floodgates opened after the rally and all the Christianists poured out of the hall, we realized too late we were pinned in. Holy crap, I was terrified; had some “kinder, gentler” Christian b*tch in my face in no time, screaming at me that I was a baby killer. The police were inert; I don’t know how that situation didn’t explode because it hung by a thread, could smell the violent anger and the fear. Might only have been defused by the cops forcibly arresting a protestor for stepping off the sidewalk into the street.
Fascist impulse? Oh yeah, mos’ def’, and more.
Whew! So many smart people here. I look forward to real investigations and accountability following our November takeover. (It’s primary day today here!) It will be cleansing and will go a long way toward mending our tattered reputation at home and abroad.
Dru @ 103– I am all a-flutter; lotus– you got the smelling salts handy?
… although this turkey was Eisner’s …
cbl, do we know this for a fact yet? (I’ve only assumed so, but haven’t heard for sure.) Is it possible that Iger’s been in there long enough that this is 100% his disaster?
lotus– you got the smelling salts handy?
These days, angie? Why, shore!
poor mary, will put you on the list.
p.s. do you ever read this woman ? bloggy goodness with a Central Texas flair
http://redneckmother.blogspot.com/
Jeezes, Rayne! That (123) sounds absolutely South American!
ironranger @ 110
ironranger- I’m feeling a little wrathful right now, but I think it’s because I’m on the way to the dentist for a filling this morning.
cbl @ 120
Thanks cbl- I’ll check it out. In my neck of the woods Rednecks-R-Us you know!!
Poormary,………”I’m feeling a little wrathful right now, but I think it’s because I’m on the way to the dentist for a filling this morning.”
I’ve got the same on my menu today, and I AM definitely less than forgiving…..LOL
poormary: I’ve been trying to remember what my 3 boys enjoyed reading at 11. The dinosaur books were their favorites at a younger age but 11 year old boys are usually on to something else. I’m sure fdlers could recommend some books that really grabbed their boys’ attentions at that age.
Two of my boys were into books from the beginning but one just wasn’t all that interested for awhile in grade school. I was kind of concerned but then he found a series that he just loved & has been a bookaholic since. Now in his 20’s, he has a book collection 5 times larger than his brothers & reads lots of “deep” stuff. We never thought that would be the case when he was a grade schooler.
Old Sow @
133
Good luck to you!
If you’ll hit F5, folks, there’s new news at 120 and a question for cbl at 127 — with much gratitude to our mod right here!
via Raw Story:
well I’ll sleep better now, wont you ?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 32
Next on the Republican agenda: Mr. Ed for House Speaker.
Rayne @ 113
glad you are ok. wish we all could get nonviolence training in how to most effectively defuse situations like the one you found yourself in. gods knows, i need more (and updated) training.
yeah – miami scared the shit out of me (just now uploaded that one pic for you). armored apcs in the street, days of preprotest propoganda about violent anarchist come to destroy the city. probably helped that i’d experienced worse (in the ME), but i never thought i’d see anything like that here. i was wrong. probably my fence sitting is wrong too.
but, i do think we are a downhill road, gathering speed, heading for a cliff – and i don’t see any exit ramp yet. (RevDeb’s excellent analogy)
Creeping Truth @
138
Next on the Democratic agenda: Francis the Talking Mule
Are “Left Behind” books being given out in a public school? If so, what about the first amendment? OH, I forgot, it’s so last century.
ironranger @ 134
ironranger- one of the problems is that the books have to be part of the AR program so they can be tested on them. He just picked out a book from the Star Wars series right before school started and loves it. Unfortunately, those books don’t count and he has to stay up on his reading assignments for his classes. He has been reading ‘Motor Trend’ and ‘Car and Driver’ front to back for since 3rd grade. Those are his own subscriptions. So I guess he does like to read, but mainly for information only.
I certainly wouldn’t mind if anyone had suggestions though. I could trot up to the school library and see if they were a part of the program.
A question on SPOTLIGHT.
Would it be possible to add politicians(dem and rep) to spotlight? Have thought several times I should send this to so and so.
OT: Glenn Greenwald hands Rich Lowry and Bill Kristol their respective asses on a platter.
poormary @ 135
My son enjoyed all the T.A. Barron books.
ReneND @ 129
great thought! but, not just the politician, to be able to send a post to the appropriate aide…. oooweee!
Steve @ 141
Steve, apparently they are a part of the school library. I don’t believe they are in the rooms though.
poormary @118,
Has he read A Wrinkle In Time? It’s in the juvenile or young adult section and is very good.
http://www.amazon.com/Wrinkle-…..0440498058
lina @ 145
Thanks!! I’ll check and see if they have them.
SP CPA — ah, yes, that’s the name, could not for the life of me remember Evelyn Davis. Remembered her accent, combed through my memory for a Dutch name.
cbl — thanks for checking on Davis’ holdings. Would be nice to know if she really will walk-the-walk on this, in spite of her relationship with Eisner.
fahrender 112 — when you put it that way, boy, you sure have been doing some heavy-duty cramming, haven’t you? ;-) Good on you!
Yes, Neiwert has/is analytically sorting out the is it-isn’t it of fascism, but there comes a time when the analysis paralyzes action. If this much time and energy must be expended on this, it is was it is on the face of it, it speaks for itself. Could be that Dave is more like my spouse, an analytical personality (Myers-Briggs scale), requires more data. But -isms are not quantifiable; we can’t hold them to a scale readily or weigh them on a calorimeter or assess them using mass spectroscopy. If we have deep concerns about it, then it simply is what it is.
Personally, I prefer to refer to Dr. Lawrence Britt’s scale if I need to measure this lipsticked pig; pretty much pegs the scale.
cbl — oh yeah, about deficits being okay in the short run — that’s because in the long run, we’re all dead (Keynes).
Margot @ 148
Thank you. I’ll check this one out also.
Glenn Greenwald Explains Yoo.
http://glenngreenwald.blogspot…..rs-in.html
I’m beyond asking how these people passed courses on Constitutional law and am backing way up to — how did they pass gradeschool civics courses?
Apparently, Yoo believes in a Constitutional dissociative identity disorder – there’s one Constitution for peacetime, but then, just like in daytime soaps, when you put it under stress the new “RoxyMyrtleHooker” version emerges.
Now that Glenn summarizes and clarifies, I can understand the attraction, for schizophrenic neocons, of anthropomorphizing a personality disoder for their Constitution. I never really thought to put the Constitutional law issues in context of a “viewed through the lens of a psychotic break with reality” analysis.
Explains a lot.
Apparently, again like in the soaps, there is a struggle between the two identities. The old Constitution that many know and love, and the hookerontheside stressed-out 6 inch heel wearing bighair “call me Con” that Yoo has fallen for and wants, surreptitiously, to make the dominant persona. The one without the husband and kids, Congress and Courts. The one who is all about Big Daddy Yoo, all the time.
Tune in next week for the continuing episode. It only lacks a Zinsmeister
cartoon stripgraphic novel to track the progess.Rayne @ 136
how funny, that is me (intp) – probably expains my fence sitting.
you are, of course, correct.
poormary — ditto what Mary said about A Wrinkle in Time. I remember we read it when I was in 6th grade, would have been 11 years old at the time. LOVED it.
The Lemony Snicket books, A Series of Unfortunate Events, is much beloved in my house; the kids can’t wait for the 13th and final book in the series to be released next month. Don’t know if they are on AR, though.
Another series my kids have enjoyed is the Guardians of Gahoole. They’ve also liked anything by Kate Dicamillo (Tale of Desperaux, Because of Winn-Dixie, etc.). These may or may not have made the AR list as well.
May I suggest approaching the teacher about this situation? Our teachers noted that many good books were not on the AR list, often because they were new. They permitted the kids to write traditional book reports instead, provided the books were age-appropriate. I’m pretty certain my daughter did this with the Guardians of Gahoole series; she struggled with reading, may have a very slight problem with dyslexia. She did not do well with some of the computerized tests, but did very well with the book report formats. (Son is a natural reader and so far blows through the computerized tests; his problem is motivation. [sigh])
Constant Reader @ 117
I love it! “History does not repeat itself, but it rhymes.” –Mark Twain
Looseheadprop, timewarp: Sold, Maloney’s got my vote. I will vote my anti-death-penalty conviction for legislative races, not for the AG sworn to uphold the law. Thanks for your input.
Rayne (#150):
As angry as I’ve been for the past 2 or 3 years a little analytical thinking helps to ward off unnecessary crazyness and leave the tasty bits to do a little selective eye-poking with. ;-) right back atcha. cha cha cha
Mary @ 8:08,
“Constitutional dissociative identity disorder”
I am laughing and crying at the same time – thanks so much for this otherwise missed link!
selise — heh. That’s my spouse, an INTP.
Another facet of that personality type is a tendency towards conflict avoidance; sometimes it’s not a one-on-one conflict in question, but an internal conflict. Could be that INTP’s might be more likely to be conflicted about the assessment that this is fascism? We’ve all suffered from one degree of cognitive dissonance or another under this administration, wouldn’t surprise me if this were the case since internal conflict between what we believe or desire and what we see is frequent and the gap widening. Perhaps for some of us the breach has been too wide to bridge for some time — has been since 2000 for me.
selise @ 146
Rene & selise, the problem I keep running into is that the two FL Senators (et al.) accept only “webmail” on their own forms at their .gov addies. That might be quite a snarl for Mark to unravel. I dunno — no tech expert here, that’s for sure.
Just read on Shakespearessister that Eric Alterman has been fired by MSNBC. See http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14784419/#ImFired
This doesn’t bode well for Keith. Let’s hope those rating keep climbing!
-P
poormary: I haven’t read this yet but it’s on my shelf: “Holes” by Louis Sachar but it looks like a winner if it’s on the AR list. It got many awards.
Off to work feeling mighty wrathful. I’d rather go to the dentist, at least I could take a nap in the chair.
http://www.seanmaloney.com/videosets/show/6
seeing this ad at FDL made me envious of New Yorkers
poormary @ 126
poormary, my youngest didn’t like to read at all…but then came Harry Potter. I read the first one to him, started reading the second (about three chapters) and then had to put him off several nights because I was “busy”. He got tired of waiting, snitched the book, finished it and read all the others. I will always be grateful to JK Rowling. He hasn’t stopped reading since.
Rayne @ 154
Thanks Rayne, I will look into all of these as well as approach the teacher. I’m sure I would enjoy some of those books as well. :)
Now…..on to the dentist!!!
poormary
some more books suggestions [tho’ must confess A Wrinkle in Time was an absolute favorite when I was 10]:
the Redwall series by Brian Jacques [much loved by my 13-year old nephew]
and a long list [in a PDF file] courtesy of the young adult librarians of NJ
young adult booklist
don’t let your son waste his time on junk when there are so many good books out there
talk to both school and public librarians, and check out information on library websites [the American Library Assocation, your state library, etc.]
good luck and let us know what happens!
The Olbermann factor
Sept. 11, 2006 | MSNBC host Keith Olbermann has been building ratings for his nightly show, “Countdown,” and has become a darling of the liberal half of the Internet, by tacking to the left while most of cable’s chattering class veers right. His 3-year-old show continues to add viewers, especially the young ones that advertisers crave; the numbers for such conservative warhorses as Bill O’Reilly, with whom Olbermann has pursued a long-running feud, are down, as are the ratings for the Fox News Channel generally.
http://www.salon.com/news/feat…..=whitelist
Holy-moly, Mary, that’s where we got it wrong! So it’s true then: we really did fall off the turnip truck just yesterday! Blow me down, and there it was, right in front of us all along . . .
lotus, if you can team up with some other fdl/netroots types and get a chance to meet with an aide for some citizen lobbying – you can get the aide’s card. not only will it have an email address – it will clue you in to how the email addresses formatted.
i suppose, you’re right, it’s not something that is easily done via spot light.
Pade @ 58
I see real signs of that happening. She is everybody’s darling
new thread: “More Please”
Dru @ 69
Would “dru” be short for “druid”?
All true paths lead to the One.
ironranger @ 162
ironranger- I’ll check this one out also. Thanks!
I’m going to believe my lying eyes. Living conditions are worse. The homeless mentally ill population in our city is obviously on the increase. Begging has returned on every downtown street. Over the last decade our city has the announced goal of ending homelessness in 10 years. So we have more cheap housing units, but it isn’t enough. What is enough? One city can’t solve the state’s social problems – or the nation’s. We need health CARE.
LindyH @ 164
We love HP. It is on the AR list, but his teacher doesn’t want them to tackle a long book until later in the year. Too bad. It was his first choice. :(
nj progressive @ 166
Thanks. I had forgotten about the Jacques books. I like those myself.
1,261 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Rayne:
Bless your heart…you have hit the nail smack dab on the head : “…but there comes a time when the analysis paralyzes action”.
We are all wastin’ political time and space tuggin’ on our “liberal” forelocks and sratchin’ our “progressive” armpits tryin figure out how many angels are dancin’ on Bush’s pinhead. Of course the neo-conservative movement is fascism… and we must leave it to historians and future legal scholars in the war crimes tribunals to analyze, type and cross match the specific type of fascism.
What is important right now is to not let go of the moment, we have to dose all of the fascist enablers and elected officials with the efficient one-word pesticide: FASCIST. This is a war of attrition, we did not finish the job after the Civil War and instead, in 1877, we re-enfranchised the prototype American fascists in return for support for northern capital. We must now finish the job…they must be politically eliminated root and branch.
In order to accomplish what history and preservation of democracy require, we must not only take back both the House and Senate but we must initiate impeachment proceedings immediately in ‘07. In order to get to that point we must seize the moment and take advantage of the horrible mes the fascists have made and brand ‘em all with the one word that will kill ‘em politically. Don’t dance around it, don’t over analyze it call ‘em what they are and direct America’s anger at ‘em…they are fascists pure and simple.
KEEP THE FAITH AND GET YER NOSE OUTTA YER NAVEL BEFORE THEY EAT THE REST A YER LUNCH!!!
poormary:
I can e-mail you a list of fantasy/science fiction books that are recommended for kids. (It’s hard to find on-line, since the page that should have it has been rebuilt and is missing it. I pulled it from a page at another site. You can Google on lasfs “reading list” to find it.)
op99 @ 156
Actually, in terms of abolishing the death penalty, that strategy gets you the best of both worlds. An AG who understand the solemity of the job until a legislature repeals it.
Sadly, it probaly doesn’t matter. Timewarp, I too, decided to send Madame CLinto a message about her rubber stampiness and voted for Tasini. He’s a nice guy, came to my DFA group and actually trades email with me.
His original goal was to break 10%. A while back, polling had him at 13%. Some newspaper (or was it the Note?–Sorry, I forgot and broke the boycott) said that if he breaks 20% the effect on both houses of the Leg will he huge becasue they will finally believe that rubber stamping has negative consequences across the board and not just for Leiberman.
So, a vote for Tasini is a vote to send a message, not just to Hillary, but to the entire Hill.
er, uh, yessir, general flamethrower! sir!!
Rayne @ 145
maybe, but i don’t think many people who know me would say i shy away from conflict (the external kind)… although, when i hit a brick wall, i do tend to step back and introspect until i think of another way to approach the conflict.
as for the internal, cognitive dissonance, kind of conflict… i’ve been through 2 big ones and each of them took several years to work through (and may continue as an on going project). the second one started 9/12/2001. the smaller ones are when my analytical/intuitive type judgement is far out of the mainstream – i tend to doubt myself with much second and third guessing.
so it takes awhile, but once i get my head around an uncomfortable or unusual idea – no more fence sitting. (i’m with you, NorskeFlamethrower. i just don’t think it is a one time deal, i’ve come to the conclusion that it is a constant struggle – that must include a struggle against our own authoritarian tendencies).
I am back from my hideous comprehensive exams last week and thrilled to read another lovely post by Christy.
For all you folks who are trying to understand the connections between BushCo and the religious right, I recommend Talk2Action.
Frederick Clarkson, who posts at Kos, started this blog up not too long ago. There’s a lot of good muckraking. I think they helped break the news on the connection between the religious right and that horrid 9/11 movie.
There is lot here on Left Behind, including a multipart expose of a new Left Behind video game in which Jesus returns and kills off most of NYC, who abide in their unbelief. The player gets to assist this vengeful god in the decimation of the unfaithful.
I think it’s important to know what fuels so uch of the agenda of the right. I love Orcinus for this stuff, and the posts there by our own Mrs Robinson are terrific.
But for more specifically religious slime, check out Talk2Action.
LHP
Not a druid ;) Grew up in the south and heard it slung around for too many years.
selise @
181
I’m a great thinker myself. Wonderful stuff, thinking. But they’s times you can’t think your way through, your have to live your way through, and I think I think we’re in ‘em.
HI Norske,
Well put! I’ll want that lunch! Didja ger your Young Lady settled in at college?
P J Evans @
178
poormary, if your son’s a bit rebellious (or you are *g*) try a banned or challenged book from the American Library Association’s website. They have a place for young people to vote on their favourite banned or challenged book here, there’a a drop-down list — I laughed when I saw what was on it! And the last week of Sept is Banned Books Week, what timing!
Oops, I went looking for the linky can’t get through to their website. I hope it’s just busy before the big week.
lotus @
160
Lotus is correct. The web forms that some political representatives require and the use of “logic puzzles” present quite a problem.
The initial intent was to include political representatives (and advertisers) in Spotlight. Its on the list and hopefully we will get this.
selise @
169
Please send all such email addresses to tsp [at] thespotlightproject [dot] org.
Thanks!
Someone, probably Shakspeare, said hope springs eternal. He did not add, fear, not so much. Religion has been selling the hope of heaven and the fear of God very successfully for thousands of years. The Republicans are going to have to come up with something more than the hope of victory to go with their fear of terrorists this year. Wonder what it will be?
Well, if the R’s have anything to say about it: Bill and Hillary Clinton.
The bad news: some will buy it, hook, line and sinker. Again.
The good news: it will be the 30% Backwash.
The bad news: miraculously, the R’s will retake most of their most hotly contested seats by about… say, this is interesting… 51%-49%. Amazing how that will work. Again.
I get the ominous feeling that, after this election, two things will happen. One, we will be told that gosh, we were just not theocratic enough, racist enough, warlike enough or homophobic enough to “understand” the Red States. And that we’d better try to meet them halfway, if we ever expect to win elections, again.
Two, the rest of us may finally realize that the system no longer works.
Christy,people can also check with their local schools to see if any are doing clothing/jacket drives for the winter months.Some local businesses do this too.Our school district does this every year starting right after Halloween and thru the entire holiday season.
One thing I do is buy up knit winter caps and gloves when they get clearanced out of the stores after Christmas.I buy 20 dollars or so worth of that sort of thing and add it to our yearly clothing donations.I hang a grocery bag on a hanger in my son’s closet and keep the hats and gloves in that so I don’t forget where they are.That way when I clean out the kiddo’s closet every year I can’t miss ‘em.
Hyping up fear and helplessness in the public before an election; how nobly altruistic. (sarcaz)
It bears repeating: in all this time it’s never occurred to Bush that when you’re president, you have to be everybody’s president. This fundamental concept is completely lost on him, and dismissed entirely by his advisors as something tacky. Explain the nobility of public service to Cheney? Good luck.
This is the way republicans have evolved, and they have absolutely no inclination to behave otherwise.
Compare and contrast:
9/11/06: ClarkCast 025 – Thoughts On 9/11