
I don’t know about you guys, but I’m about 9/11-ed out. This is one of the disadvantages of being Mr. Late Nite. By the time people get around to reading what I have to say about the events of the day, EVERYBODY else has had a crack at it.
Right now Preznint Gimme Back My Bullhorn is droning out his "non-political" speech and I have no choice but to listen to it since I’m working at the radio station and we’re carrying it. Funny, is it me or is this is the same goddamn speech he’s been making for the last five fucking years? Shut your pie-hole, you filthy old fraud! "9/11! 9/11! Saddam, Saddam!! STAY THE COOOOURSE!!" SHUT THE FUCK UP, YOU BRAIN-DEAD PIECE OF POLITICAL ROADKILL!!
Ahem.
How stupid does he think we are?
Don’t answer that.
Just in case you thought the Reich Wing would hit their sleaze saturation limit on exploiting the attacks five years ago, think again, kids. We have this from Andrew Sullivan (via Digby) giving us a sneak preview of what we have to look forward to in the next eight weeks until the elections:
Next week, I’m informed via troubled White House sources, will see the full unveiling of Karl Rove’s fall election strategy. He’s intending to line up 9/11 families to accuse McCain, Warner and Graham of delaying justice for the perpetrators of that atrocity, because they want to uphold the ancient judicial traditions of the U.S. military and abide by the Constitution. He will use the families as an argument for legalizing torture, setting up kangaroo courts for military prisoners, and giving war crime impunity for his own aides and cronies. This is his "Hail Mary" move for November; it’s brutally exploitative of 9/11; it’s pure partisanship; and it’s designed to enable an untrammeled executive. Decent Republicans, Independents and Democrats must do all they can to expose and resist this latest descent into political thuggery. If you need proof that this administration’s first priority is not a humane and effective counter-terror strategy, but a brutal, exploitative path to retaining power at any price, you just got it.
(Sully, what’s the deal? Sometimes you write like a man with a brain. Then other times, you can’t help dining out on your accent and Thatcherite cred, babbling nonsense like a dick-sucking Chris Hitchens. Whose side are you supposed to be on, anyway?)
But let’s have a closer look at this strategy of Karl’s.
He’s intending to line up 9/11 families to accuse McCain, Warner and Graham of delaying justice for the perpetrators of that atrocity, because they want to uphold the ancient judicial traditions of the U.S. military and abide by the Constitution. He will use the families as an argument for legalizing torture, setting up kangaroo courts for military prisoners, and giving war crime impunity for his own aides and cronies.
Right. So, let’s make sure this is clear to everyone. If you are a 9/11 family who want to find out the truth about what happened on September the 11th, 2001, fuck you. Similarly, if you are a veteran who needs health care, disagrees with the execution of the GWOT, or is suffering from PTSD, DOUBLE-fuck you. If you are a worker from Ground Zero who was lied to about the safety of the air in Manhattan after the attacks, well, fuck you sideways with a chainsaw. You’ll be dead from chronic lung failure before the tenth anniversary of the attacks, anyway, so the administration only has to drown you out and deride you for a couple more years. They don’t even have to call your heroism or credibility into question, cos, you know, you’re too sick to stand up for yourself now.
However, if you are a 9/11 family member, bereaved war widow, or one of those passingly rare Republican veterans of the GWOT and are willing to whore out your grief and pain to be a hood ornament on Unca Karl’s Big Hate Machine, then the administration honors your sacrifice, feels your pain, and wants to do anything it can to help you, if you’ll just stand here for a moment and pose for the cameras next to the Preznint. Thank you.
So, if you’re Cindy Sheehan, Kristin Breitweiser, or Paul Hackett, Karl Rove wants you to just STFU, and if you don’t, he’ll call out any number of Sean Hannitys, Ann Coulters or other surrogates to defame you, smear you, call you names, and accuse you of hating America and aiding the terrorists. Got that? If your pain and struggle has failed to turn you into a lock-stepping BushBot, then you are shit on the administration’s shoes. If you’re a soldier, then you are useful as a backdrop in press conferences and staged photo ops, but if you want to know where the fuck your body armor is and why we’ve sent you to Iraq, well, someone will get back to you. Eventually. Maybe by the time your fifth or sixth tour of duty is over.
Can we maybe try and get out ahead of this one for once? Beat the Rightards to the punch this time? We’ve got eight weeks, and the low men in charge of the government right now are going to try everything they can think of to maintain their death-grip on the reins of power. This time, however, the majority of national opinion is with us. We have the advantage. So, don’t let up. Hit them with everything you’ve got. They’re going to fight dirty. We’re going to have to fight with our teeth bared and our claws out. In the words of our own Jane H, "Fuck ‘em hard. This one’s for all the marbles."
Never defend.
Never explain.
ATTACK! ATTACK! ATTAAAAAAAAACK!!
I leave you with Kristen Breitweiser’s words to Karl Rove from June of 2005:
Finally Karl, please “understand” that the reason we have not suffered a repeat attack on our homeland is because Bin Laden no longer needs to attack us. Those of us with a pure and comprehensive “understanding of 9/11” know that Bin Laden committed the 9/11 attacks so he could increase recruitment for al Qaeda and increase worldwide hatred of America. That didn’t happen. Because after 9/11, the world united with Americans and al Qaeda’s recruitment levels never increased.
It was only after your invasion of Iraq, that Bin Laden’s goals were met. Because of your war in Iraq two things happened that helped Bin Laden and the terrorists: al Qaeda recruitment soared and the United States is now alienated from and hated by the rest of the world. In effect, what Bin Laden could not achieve by murdering my husband and 3,000 others on 9/11, you handed to him on a silver platter with your invasion of Iraq – a country that had nothing to do with 9/11.
Which leads me to my final questions for you Karl: What are your motives when it comes to 9/11 and are you really sure that you understand 9/11?
Let me answer that question for you, Ms Breitweiser. Clearly, Rove and the rest of the GOP gestapo only understand 9/11 as far as they can exploit it for political gain. The rest of it’s just background noise. Like, whose fault it was, how it could have been stopped, and what we could have learned from it? That’s just, you know, nuance. And the administration doesn’t "do nuance".
We’ve got a lot of work to do between now and November. Let’s get busy.



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How stupid does he think we are?
He doesn’t care!
TRex, Jane, Christy and Keith Olbermann!
Fitz, too!
KO and Fire Dog Lake
Good night and good luck. Nice job Keith. Fuck you George.
Finally Karl, please “understand” that the reason we have not suffered a repeat attack on our homeland is because Bin Laden no longer needs to attack us. Those of us with a pure and comprehensive “understanding of 9/11” know that Bin Laden committed the 9/11 attacks so he could increase recruitment for al Qaeda and increase worldwide hatred of America.
I’d add a reminder that OBL hasn’t needed to attack us because Bush did what OBL most wanted: Got American troops out of Saudi Arabia.
I always like to remind Bush toelickers about their hero’s appeasement of OBL. They can never come back with a decent response to that one.
Watched the pre-game hoopla on Monday Night Football this evening. They managed to squeeze in a fair portion of faux-patriotic nationalist treacle.
Go, TRex!
And bravo TRex.
We now know why Coulter was used to attack the Jersey Girls.
A pre-emptive assault by the Queen of Mean.
So that their voices would be muted in this coming debate about the tragedy of 9/11.
Luckily for the Republicans and Rove they have a never ending supply of war-mongering hags like Coulter and of flaccid-assed keyboard commandos like Field Marshall Bill Kristol, Frank Gaffney, Glenn Blech and now Cyrus Nowrasteh, to shuck and shill for their wars and do their personal assassinations for no money down.
-GSD
more straw from bush’s speech: “Whatever mistakes have been made in Iraq, the worst mistake would be to think that if we pulled out, the terrorists would leave us alone,” the president said.
um, if we pulled out and redeployed our efforts (militarily, diplomatically, culturally) then we might end this threat or at least begin to really address it. the worst mistake was invading “mexico” to begin with.
T -Rex
Great post as always. As was said several times in the last thread, we have to get the Dems to sound like Mr Olbermann. Drown out the Orwellian Rove with the truth told plainly.
It sounds like Rove is planning to start his biggest smear campaign yet. Given how badly the Republicans are doing in the polls, it’s no surprise. But I think the public is wising up to the fact that this is the Admninistration’s standard operating procedure and is tuning them out. At least let’s hope so.
TRex– I love the picture and please tell me why you have kept the anti- Smells Like BS spray all to yourself all these long and dark years?
Sooo glad The Daily Show is back from vacation today.
EPUed below
The message should be
bin Laden spent $1 million with a crew of dozens to bring down two skyscrapers and kill 2700
Bush has managed to up the death and dollars ante 100-fold with no end in sight.
While Congress applauded (cue SOTU video clips – sorry Joe and Hillary – you looked more enthusiastic than Delay)
Throw the bastards out.
Roll the investigations and ready the Hague.
Aaaahhhhh, Mr. TRex,
For someone who wasn’t sure what he was going to say tonite, you’ve pretty well knocked the ball right smack dab outta the park. I do luv a roaring dinasour!
Waccamaw @ 16
RAHRRR!!!
Some troll cleanup needed at the bottom of the last post.
The things I kept thinking about was what would it have been like 5 years ago and after if Gore would have gotten the SC to vote for the real president and didn’t stick us with Dimwit.
I also thought about If America is finally deaf to the same old speeches of Bush.
And then we have the election season upon and Rove’s much anticipated carpet roll out of sleaze for the next month and a half. What if the public doesn’t buy it this time.
Great post, Mr. Rex.
TRex — Though an early Bush supporter, Andrew Sullivan has been opposing Bush/Cheney/Gonzalez on a wide range of foreign policy and constitutional issues for many months, and has been highlighted by Glenn Greenwald for doing so. It was not always so, but better late . . .
The Kristen Breitweiser quote is great. I hadn’t seen that. Thanks.
The “deer in the headlight” look has returned.
EPU’d from the last thread:
In most of our “books”, 9/11 is listed under the category of “Days That Will Live in Imfamy.” And we hope that there will be no new additions to that list.
But given the way Bush refers to 9/11 again and again and again, one has to wonder whether Bush’s book of politcs and war lists it under “Dates That Will Live in Infinity.”
Even more telling than Bush’s speech tonight which, as I said in the last thread, was pure pablum, is his interview with Matt Lauer.
If you haven’t watched, it, check it out at C&L and listen for the following exchange:
“Matt Lauer: And yet you admitted that there were these CIA secret facilities. Okay?
“President Bush: So what? Why is that not within the law?
“Matt Lauer: The head of Amnesty International says secret sites are against international law.
“President Bush: Well, we just disagree with him. Plus, my job is to protect you. And most American people, if I said [to them] that we had who we think is the mastermind of the 9/11, they would say, ‘Why don’t you see if you can’t get information without torturing him,’ which is what we did . . . .
“Matt Lauer: I don’t want to let this ‘within the law issue’ slip though. I mean, if, in fact, there was water boarding used with Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, and for the viewers, that’s basically when you strap someone to a board and you make them feel as if they’re going to drown by putting them underwater, if that was legal and within the law, why couldn’t you do it at Guantanamo? Why did you have to go to a secret location around the world?
“President Bush: I’m not going to talk about techniques. And, I’m not going explain to the enemy what we’re doing. All I’m telling you is that you’ve asked me whether or not we’re doing things to protect the American people, and I want the American people to know we are doing so.”
You gotta see it. It’s chilling. When this guy was six years old, I’ll bethe pulled wings off of flies.
dlake
maybe Gore would have read the PDB
(literacy is underrated)
I was told there would be a pony. And candy. TRex, you *promised*!
Nowhere near as stupid as he is.
I’m sick to death of hearing him say these people “hate freedom”. Who hates freedom? Nobody! It’s the most ridiculous statement and equally ridiculous are the people who buy it.
They don’t hate our freedom. They hate what we do to them. Can we please return to some common sense!
Sometimes you have to look outside the box for some pertinent information.
Lookie here in old China.
Nearly half of Americans blame Bush for 9/11.
-GSD
Oh yeah, they are also reporting how Blair was heckled in Lebanon too.
Not a banner day for the coaltion of the willing, or as I call them, The Neo-Axis.
Oh yeah, Hezbollah claims 90% of their arsenal is intact.
Oh yeah, also, the Kurds don’t like the Iraqi flag so they aint gonna fly it.
Mission accomplished, Chimpy.
Gore would have helped write the PDB Mack @ 25 and hallelujah bekkieann @ 28!
Now Colbert mocking macaca and the Path to Whatevah.
GSD @ 29–
Or as Juan Cole calls them, the Axis of Oil.
Whose side are you supposed to be on, anyway?
Seems to me Chris Matthews and Andy switched sides about the same time. When they smelled that the other side might be winning.
How freaking admirable. I guess we need all the help we can get, but some of that help isn’t trustworthy.
bekkieann @ 28
Authoritarian cultists like the Republican party hate freedom. They are a direct and immediate threat to our way of life.
George W. Bush, The Great Squanderer
-GSD
We have a primary here in NY tomorrow! I am excited, I am working at the poll down the street. I am a Republican Inspector — they don’t have enough R’s in Harlem.
Good night and good voting tomorrow!!!
Well if you are not 911′ed out. The shorter Bush speech with commentary:
“Since the horror of 9/11, we’ve learned a great deal about the enemy.”
They are all terrorists.
“The war against this enemy is more than a military conflict. It is the decisive ideological struggle of the 21st century, and the calling of our generation.”
If so, where are the higher taxes to pay for it, a return to the draft to find those to fight it, and a call for sacrifice, errrr never mind.
“we resolved that we would go on the offense”
Pointless, ill conceived wars, torture, secret prisons, etc.
“I’m often asked why we’re in Iraq when Saddam Hussein was not responsible for the 9/11 attacks. The answer is that the regime of Saddam Hussein was a clear threat.”
Except he wasn’t.
“The world is safer because Saddam Hussein is no longer in power.”
Except it’s not.
“We will not leave until this work is done.”
Bush was too afraid to say, “Stay the course,” but this is what he meant.
“If we yield Iraq to men like bin Laden, our enemies will be emboldened”
Bush’s new favorite strawman: Agree with me or the terrorists win.
“We’ve created the Department of Homeland Security. We have torn down the wall that kept law enforcement and intelligence from sharing information. We’ve tightened security at our airports and seaports and borders, and we’ve created new programs to monitor enemy bank records and phone calls.”
DHS is a joke as is airport and seaport security. Remember Dubai Ports? And then there are his illegal programs.
“Five years after 9/11, our enemies have not succeeded in launching another attack on our soil, but they’ve not been idle.”
He said with fingers crossed, but be afraid anyway.
“The terrorists fear freedom as much as they do our firepower.”
Remember it was called Operation Iraqi Freedom. Is this kind of freedom you would wish on anyone?
“This struggle has been called a clash of civilizations. In truth, it is a struggle for civilization.”
Translation: Brown people suck.
“We are now in the early hours of this struggle between tyranny and freedom.”
This after 5 years. No exit strategy meet No Exit.
“Winning this war will require the determined efforts of a unified country, and we must put aside our differences and work together to meet the test that history has given us.”
This from the most polarizing President in our history. Yeah, I didn’t buy it either.
Will Sleazy Joe Lieberman decry the stinky “partisan politics” emanating from the GOP sewers that are being pried open by Rove and Mehlman?
I don’t think so.
Joe will keep up with his “Partisan politics must stop”. All while only one party rules the roost in the Whitehouse and both houses of congress.
-GSD
Man, hope this isn’t true (but many signs going in this direction recently), but another thing we should get out in front of is a “capture or killing” of Osama bin Forgotten just in time for the elections. For instance, if that happens, how can we respond?
Maybe that means the War on Terror(TM) is over and we can leave Iraq now! Seems worth preparing for at least.
That pet goat around his neck is starting to smell.
Way way OT. But I’m hoping for a YouTube war…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKBi7z_D9Yk
bonkers @ 38
I was thinking that was a possibility but Abu Gonzales was interviewed over the weekend and asked about getting OBL. Abu basically said getting OBL wouldn’t change anything.
Excellent post again, TRex.
And Mack @15…”Hear, hear!” The Hague, or bust, for these conscience-less international criminals who are impersonating our leaders.
I think we should be prepared for all manner of October Surprises. Fortunately, though, I think the public is almost beyond coercion at this point. BushCo has cried “Wolf!” too many times.
Then again, my dad once quoted to me, “Son, you’ll never go broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public.”
I have been media free for days, incl fdl.
I couldn’t bear the slightest MSM 911 horseshit from pravda.
i love reading the thoughts of all you.
GSD,
Nice summation of the news there. Who would ever have guessed that the Kurds didn’t like the Iraqi flag? What a shocker….
Great post. I certainly do hope the Dems are thoroughly prepared for this and will get out in front. I mean, how many smacks up side the head do they have to take before they catch on.
And then there are those Dem politicians who seem to be handing victory to BushCo.
I am so disgusted with Dodd and the way he has handled the whole Lieberman thing. I’m glad folks in Iowa are providing him with a reality check.
An excerpt from the Hartford Courant about Dodd “testing the waters” in Iowa…
“Lieberman kept coming up Saturday. At the fire station, an Iowa Radio reporter popped the question. At the next stop, at a home in Ames, retiree Bob Wessel brought up the topic.
Dodd seemed to be caught off guard, and told Wessel, “The other guy [Democratic nominee Ned Lamont] has to run a better campaign. The last few days have not been good. He’s sticking his foot in his mouth.”
http://www.courant.com/news/lo…..lines-home
SHARKBABE!!!
Baby, where have you been?
Come here and hug my neck. Aren’t you a sight for a sore monitor.
Stick around. I’ll tell you about the red-headed man I have a crush on, hon.
No one could have known that the Kurds wanted their own country.
-Condi Rumsfeldcheneybush
I think my politics are a good match for yours, and I’m as pissed as the next guy about Bush and his appeasers, but the phrase “dick sucking Chris Hitchens,” as efficient a metaphor as it is, turns me off. WTF were you thinking? Sullivan and Hitchens have plenty of genuine flaws, many to which you pointed. I want to know if you have second thoughts about the comment, or if you don’t see a problem there.
Keith needs help on his rating (3 stars out of 6 at 11:45EDT) Go to :
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6210240/
and give him some love. Thanks FDL. You give me hope, let me laugh, give me a place to vent, send rubber-stamps, You are my shero’s
Champagne all around, my dears. Champagne all around.
HotFlash @
26
Even better we got some TRex ATTACK candy! *s*
Sully is on Sully’s side, dear, in case you hadn’t noticed, Which, not coincidentally, seems to be on the same side as the great fan of the assfucking, Ana Marie Cox (time.com)
Gotta wonder what that time.com Xmas party’s gonna be like this year with these two rookies on board, eh?
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Had Enough?
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hey, S’babe, zup?
I know something about public speaking – I’ve written and delivered a fairly public address an average of at least once a week, every week, for the last 18 years. I’ve helped with political speeches, and I’ve read presidential speeches voraciously ever since junior high.
After tonight’s address, I had the same thought QUALAR did above: “Deer in the headlights” is back indeed.
Olbermann quoted Lincoln’s Gettysburg Address right before Bush spoke, and everyone watching knew that there was no way Bush was going to speak like that. Put Bush up alongside Kennedy, FDR, Reagan, or Teddy Roosevelt, and he comes up short. Every time. And it’s not even close.
Here’s the worst part: I think Bush likes that.
He thinks it shows that he’s an “ordinary guy” in an extraordinary job, and that this will help him connect with other “ordinary folks” out there in TV land. That might have worked when he was running for office against Gore and Kerry, who could wonk with the best of them. But now, he’s president, and no one – not even the GOPers – want a president who can’t give a coherent speech, nore a president who can’t inspire when inspiration is called for.
Petedownunder (love the handle, BTW!) hit this one on the head: “Drown out the Orwellian Rove with the truth told plainly.” (emphasis added)
The truth told plainly is Harry Truman, going after war profiteers. The truth told plainly is MLK, Jr. on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial. The truth told plainly is what makes Olbermann so exciting to watch. The truth told plainly is Barbara Jordan going after the criminal activities of the Nixon White House. The truth told plainly is part of Ned Lamont’s appeal. The truth told plainly is why John Murtha scares the bejesus out of Karl Rove.
Let the word go out, from this time and place, to all the progressives running for office, all the campaign workers for these candidates, and all the supporters who want them to win: The Truth Told Plainly will win elections. It’s time, and folks have had enough.
jf @
49
As a devoted dick-sucker myself, I see no problem with thusly characterizing Mr. Sullivan.
TRex- What an awesome rant! Just had to come out of my lurking to say THANK YOU!
In another classic case of projection, the human jizz stain speaks.
“There’s a hard, cold reality out there, ladies and gentlemen, that we must face: America is at war with Islamofascism, and American liberals are at war with America.” – Rush Limbaugh, 9/11/06
-GSD
looks like the neoclowns and their brain-dead zombie followers are showing us EXACTLY how to pull their craggy claws from off the contols of the US foreign and national policy: monitor and disseminate the facts surrounding their WELL-DOCUMENTED corruption, malfeasance and racism.
look at how many elections the dems seem to be pulling out in front of by SOLELY not being REPUBLICAN=CORRUPT POLITICIAN.
follow the trail of political influence and corruption
(like who paid for the path to nine-eleven anyway?)
Hugh @ 36
Great list, but you left out my favorite, right at the top of the speech:
“Since that day, America and her allies have taken the offensive in a war unlike any we have fought before.”
Right. We’ve done things America’s never done before: employed secret detention camps, extraordinary rendition, and torture.
GSD @ 58
Mascul Out
Sharkbabe – Excellent choice on hiatus timing imo. While you were out I had to vent with a few expletives in your honor of course.
Arright, y’all. Gotta pack up and head home. No store trip tonight, so I won’t be long.
TRex @
56
IS this a matter of taste?
-GSD
jf @ 49
FWIW, I thought it was brilliant.
O trex – what a time i had with the girl saturday night – how delicious can life get
steak – yawn
sizzle – everything
W:
oh, yeah? so, those weren’t terrrrists who sent the anthrax?
I’m feeling incredibly 9/11′ed out too. But I live five blocks from Ground Zero and next to the parking garage that provides the base for the Tribute in Light. I walk past Ground Zero at least five or six times a week and I went by tonight.
I can’t offer any commentary because, frankly, I’m not comfortable saying everything I have to say. I’m angry, I’m tired, I have contradictory opinions and I don’t know how to put that all together.
Instead, here are fifteen pictures I took tonight – most are from the Tribute in Light, as well as some shots of Ground Zero. All are viewable in my September 11th Flickr set.
TRex @ 56
Coulda done without THAT though. There ARE some guys here who like P*ssy, T. (although, to be honest, not many) :)
GSD @ 64
You go with your strengths in life.
bonkers @
38
Yeah, while The Tall One’s capture is still devoutly to be wished for, I also hope Dr. Dean et.al. are focus-grouping the hell outta the message should it happen between now and 11/7.
“Five years too late!”
“No longer the threat he was five years ago”
“Distraction of Iraq took W’s eye off the ball”
“What took you so long, Mr. President?”
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Had Enough?
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TeddySanFran @ 67
oh, yeah? so, those weren’t terrrrists who sent the anthrax?
No, that was the RNC.
hey, S’babe, zup?
nuttin, still lurvin you bitch
Matt Browner-Hamlin @
68
Thanks for the pics.
I have to get to bed now. I didn’t watch too much news tonight either……I strongly avoided Chimpy.
Peace.
-GSD
As I’ve watched this play out over the last few years, I believe the most dangerous people are not GW, Cheney, etal. It is their “base”-the so-called “Conservative Christians” that they play to. We all know the GWOT’s (Bushco) are in it for the money and power, along with some slapdown to Dems who questioned their authority or beat them (Clinton) over the years. But their base is even scarier-they will absolutely sacrifice everything so that a woman can’t have an abortion – I honestly think a lot of this is about abortion. Because you know they care so much about that child until it comes out of the womb, and then they don’t give a shit about it. It just keeps coming up in the back of my mind that this is a lot of what drives the hatred and refusal to see what this administration really is.
And he may have no problem with the term either. I haven’t been visiting this site religiously recently, but it just caught me off guard. Not what I have come to expect from Jane and Co. Anyway, you guys have fun.
No, please. I’m happy to help.
He thinks we’re exactly as stupid as he is. What other frame of reference does he have to work with?
I think this was my favorite link of the day since I watched Olbermann on the tele.
September 11, 2006 has a special significance. It marks 100 years to the day that Mohandas K. Gandhi launched the modern nonviolent movement.
http://www.nyc-dop.com/gandhi/
Sorry I don’t remember who posted it earlier.
you think you’re 9/11-ed out!
we here in australia started a day ahead of you’s, and haven’t ended until today (the 12th). ergh! man did i need a beer after watching the path to non-accountability last nite.
so many errors, major and minor.
hi t-rex! hope we aren’t going to have any trademark disputes…
Juan Carlos!
Vicki at :04 – and what is very strange is that it really does come down to the fact that women have sex voluntarily – because they want to, because it is fun. I think that for some of them, babies and motherhood are punishment for having naughty sex, and getting an abortion is like trying to escape your punishment. And women should be confined to their wombs. The same argument would apply to their craziness regarding homosexuality – if you can’t have babies from sex, then you can’t be punished, and you therefore must be “converted”, wished into non-existence, or otherwise obliterated.
I wrote Chris Dodd an email and told him that Democrats don’t refer to fellow Democrats as “the other guy.” Has a name, is on your team, won your primary, etc.
Vicki @
75
right… how do you play to a base that wants revelations to come true? who cares about endless war or global warming? the rapture’s comin’!
tommy yum @
51
more, please, sir yum!
i just want to say for the record that i think that Lamont beating Leiberman has been the turning point for the mainstream media. they have totally been made aware that the public is not behind bush and the war, and it is like the gloves have come off. look at the way the mainstream media is finally standing up to these criminals. i am hopeful, and i want to thank jane, christy, t-rex and everyone here at FDL for all they do- it has made a difference!!!
Palmetto Progressive @ 50
I gave him some props…but, think of this, too. 3 out of 5 is 60% approval. Five years ago, he probably wouldn’t have gotten one star for showing the balls he has the last couple of weeks.
Astral – I think you’re right – this would also explain their problems with homosexuality. So here’s my question – how do we fight that? You can show someone every fact in the world, but you cannot change a belief that is deeply held. Or maybe these are only the “29 per-centers” who are hopeless anyway (I am talking about elections).
And tonight, in a purely political speech, the president left yet another open wound infected and untreated.
“Mmmmmm, Karl… No matter what torture-and-FOX News-free shithole the World Court sentences us to, we’ll always have Washington… Oh, and Austin, too”
;>)
Posting one last time for the late night crowd.
Something I wrote earlier today:
Are you afraid to die? if you are, you’re afraid to live. If you’re afraid to live, you might as well die.
In the five years since the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, the Bush Administration has sold fear to keep themselves in power. These days, it’s about all they have left.
In the five years since those attacks, Osama bin Butthead and his minions have won every battle. They have a lot to celebrate today.
Keep Americans in fear? No problem, GW and HIS minions are doing a great job of that.
Kill more Anericans? Hey GW Bush and his minions attacked Iraq and we’ve more than DOUBLED the American death toll, and we’ve hardly had to life a finger to make that happen!
Damage the American economy? GW Bush did our dirty work for us. Fuel has doubled in price, the housing market is cooling faster than grandma’s pie on the window sill, they’re STILL sending jobs overseas and the American middle class is sinking, one by one, closer to poverty.
Yet, the GW Bush minions say THEY are winning the war on terror.
I’d say ol’ Osama bin Butthead is enjoying this day, celebrating with some virgins and a lovely Pakistani meal. Meanwhile, the hand-wringing continues, nothing constructive is done, the administration continues to sell fear and our freedoms, one by one, fall farther back in the rear-view mirror.
So I have one suggestion for all who read tis on this day – Live your lives without fear. Fly on an airliner. Take a walk across the Golden Gate Bridge. Have lunch at the top of the Space Needle or the Sears Tower. Take a Pentagon Tour. Go to a ball game.
But don’t cower in fear any more. If it’s your time, it’s your time. Live each day like it might be your last, and show not only Osama bin Butthead but GW Bush and his minions that you are NOT AFRAID, and that they can take all the fear they want to sell, and shove it up their ass. YOU are going to live your life with your head up, eyes open and let the chips fall where they will. You will no longer live in fear.
By the way, vote Democratic in two months. :-D
p-rex: yes, these are really the people who scare me the most, these are the ones who back this administration no matter what, who suck up to whatever lies they are telling that day. No matter that everything about this administration is decidely “unchristian”.
Hey, TRex -
Wherever did you find the old photo of Laura using the air freshener after George dumped a bomb? WMD indeed!
Vicki, I don’t know. I can only see it getting worn down to a ridiculous last stubby remnant of people – the hard-core hold-outs, who end up crowded out of the center of public opinion after all other people realize their foolishness.
Peterr @ 55,
Amen, preach it!
I am going to Amsterdam for christmas. Because I fucking feel like it.
funny thing is, vicki, there is a scriptural answer to everything they say (because the bible is really a mixed bag of a few thousand years’ changing ideology)…but there’s no guarantee at all that any “christian” will actually listen!
it’s probably because faith and facts are inherently incongruous.
there’s a word for what needs to be made out of fundamentalists of ALL stripes: PARIAHS
fundamentalism is bad for society.
Why does Katie Couric hate Americans who died from anthrax? Tonight (I clicked over to CBSnooze just for the fashion — omg, that headband stretched back all her face skin!) she said, “There’ve been no terrorist attacks on American soil since 911.”
People died in the anthrax attacks, and our government has never solved them or captured the terrorists.
Why don’t we hear about this anymore? Will there be five year commemorations of the anthrax attacks?
As I said this morning:
On this day of days, the essential character of the George W. Bush Admininstration stands out in all its ugliness:
You ran away and hid!
TSF – that anthrax business stinks to high heavens
hey teddysanfran,
and wasn’t that weaponized anthrax that could’ve only been developed in an american lab?
and didn’t cheney’s staff start taking cipro before 9/11?
hmmmmmmmmm. ok, another belgian ale.
So True, Mad Dog, so goddam true.
tommy yum, you are the best and most charming person to host a cool-down ever, as evidenced by last night. My little sherry did wonders and the fire was warm and comforting. You got me through last night, and I’m grateful. Thank you. I think I’ll wait on the champagne until tomorrow. ‘Til then.
TRex- For an all day train of 9/11 commentary, I think it just got a power surge from the caboose !
This is a Rovian “inoculate by attacking the other guy for something you’re openly doing.” It’s past time to start hitting hard on the fact that the reason these guys haven’t been tried yet is because the Bushies insist on ignoring all established procedure in favor of making it up and grabbing absolute power.
If they’d put them through courts martial (or regular courts), like the Clinton Administration did, all of these guys would have long since been tried and put away (the ones that are actually guilty, that is.) Any delay in justice is entirely their fault.
They say those courts somehow can’t handle classified evidence? Call bullshit, and point out that they’ve made abundantly clear by their proposal that what they’re really concerned about is secret evidence and evidence from torture, which no civilized country’s courts will accept, for good reason.
And that’s just for starters. We’re in a target-rich environment when it comes to failure, malfeasance, lawbreaking, failure to defend the country and making us less safe.
Sharkbabe @ 95
G’Night, Sharkbabe!
Vicki,
Sara Robinson (who was raised in a Fundie household) has a great series of posts about how to understand and engage the Fundie mindset over at David Neiwert’s blog, Orcinus. Worth checking out.
One thing she says, about gays in particular, is most Fundies are so isolated that they don’t even realize that they themselves know any gay people, so it’s easy to demonize them. Once they realize that they know some gay folk, “teh gay” is no longer a scary, abstract category, but people they actually know, like and respect, and this can have a profound impact on their thinking in this and other areas of their lives and faith.
# 24
“You gotta see it. It’s chilling. When this guy was six years old, I’ll bet he pulled wings off of flies.”
No.. he was into sticking firecrackers in frogs’ mouths and tossing them in the air so he could watch them blow up.
http://www.davidcogswell.com/M…..lling.html
“the hard-core hold-outs, who end up crowded out of the center of public opinion after all other people realize their foolishness”
“fundamentalism is bad for society”
I know you’re both right and this too shall pass. I am just so tired, like everyone here, of waiting for this madness to be over. And yes I remember weathering through the Phylis Shafly (sp) and Jerry Falwell era of time past, but I was younger and probably more patient then. We also were not seeing Americans and Iraqis killed daily then – maybe it was a little easier to live with.
mls @ 108
Sure, but isn’t he such a regular guy? Don’t you just want to have a beer with him? And then maybe go on a double date with Ted Bundy?
Palmetto Progressive @
50
Good idea, though 3 out of six isn’t too bad. Most of their commentators tend to run lower than that. Glen Reynolds is at 1.5, for example, and Chris Mathews is at 2.5 (which is higher than I recall him being a few months ago).
Holly Cow! Eric Alterman just got fired!
I wonder if writing things like this:
had anything to do with it?
–MarkusQ
Guitar Playing Bastard,
I feel kind of like you do. For a while after 9/11 I was numb and watchful. But I never thought about torture being OK or spying on citizens and all the rest of it. Some people I worked with said, “We have to be safe first, if we’re dead, what good are our rights?” And these were medical doctors saying this. I never could understand that. “So when do we get our rights back?” I’d ask them. “Who knows? They didn’t do us much good when Osama attacked.”
It seemed primitive to me. These doctors were almost saying, “Let’s sacrifice civil liberties! They brought us bad luck, and if we put them on the altar, we won’t get attacked again, yay!”
At the time, I thought, “I bet people didn’t say this after Pearl Harbor.”
Tlazolteotl @
107
this is a great point, because it leaves the “exposure” to gay people in fundamentalist-land as primarily such things as gay pride parades (and other like events) that are covered in the media. so they only see the most flamboyant and supposedly “threatening” aspects of gay people (although i’ll take a gay-gay-gay parade over a kkk parade any day of the week!).
it’s basically forming an opinion based on a 1% (or less) representation of the group as a whole.
Tlaz – thanks, I’ll check it out. I think that is one of the things that is just driving me crazy-I can’t understand what makes these people tick. I still cannot get (but this again goes back to the sex thing) why on earth they could hate Clinton so much. It boggles the mind.
Margot @ 112
I take your point, but I can’t help but remember that after Pearl Harbor it was deemed perfectly okay to sacrifice the civil liberties of Japanese-Americans.
TeddySanFran @ 98
Because the anthrax turned out to be from the US bioweapons labs which, up to that point, we had been denying that we had. And the timing turned out to be such (with the lead time to “weaponize” it, mail, etc. that whoever sent them would have had to start getting ready before the 9/11 attacks. And the targets were mostly Democrats and journalists.
For some reason after these things came out it sort of fell out of the news cycle. I think they hounded some scientists from the lab for a while, but as none of them had brown skin or a thick accent they were never able to make much headway.
–MarkusQ
… but, but, but: we are flamboyant and threatening!
TeddySanFran @ 71
Oooo….I like the last one. “What took you so long?” 3,000 of our troops are dead now because of the Shrubya and Repubelican headfake in Iraq. Even if OBL shows up soon, seems like that one could still resonate well. Like you said, I certainly hope Dean, Lamont , etc. are preparing for this possibility.
Had Enough? Indeed…
“So, if you’re Cindy Sheehan, Kristin Breitweiser, or Paul Hackett, Karl Rove wants you to just STFU, and if you don’t, he’ll call out any number of Sean Hannitys, Ann Coulters or other surrogates to defame you, smear you, call you names, and accuse you of hating America and aiding the terrorists.”
Whenever I happen accross Sean Hannity I’m reminded of a very stunned looking ape I saw at the San Diego Zoo back in the 80’s. Are there really people in America who take him seriously?
Ohhhhhhh, so hungry.
My dinner isn’t cooking nearly quickly enough.
Vicki @ 114
I think it’s largely envy. My son, then just 20, wasn’t phased by the Lewinski thing, but he was disgusted with the “I did not have sekshul relations with that young woman.” Mike told me, “If being President of the United States can’t get you a blow job from time to time, what’s the point?” And really, can you see an intern crawling under George’s desk? Duke had to get his paid for by Brent Wilkes.
J. Donne @ 119
People, no, not as such. Oddly enough, most of Hannity’s serious following is made up of stunned apes.
I think it’s largely envy. My son, then just 20, wasn’t phased by the Lewinski thing, but he was disgusted with the “I did not have sekshul relations with that young woman.” Mike told me, “If being President of the United States can’t get you a blow job from time to time, what’s the point?” And really, can you see an intern crawling under George’s desk? Duke had to get his paid for by Brent Wilkes.
Good point – I am convinced that Laura and he only had sex once to conceive the twins, cause I don’t think even she could do that more than once!
Outstanding Post Young Man! i’m gonna go up and continue reading…
I found this diary over on kos about an Oprah interview with the US Airlines ticket agent who checked in Atta. I have no idea how much is true but very interesting read. Sad if true…
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/9/11/193549/448
Whenever I happen accross Sean Hannity I’m reminded of a very stunned looking ape I saw at the San Diego Zoo back in the 80’s. Are there really people in America who take him seriously?
Please – I like apes.
this is a great point, because it leaves the “exposure” to gay people in fundamentalist-land as primarily such things as gay pride parades (and other like events) that are covered in the media. so they only see the most flamboyant and supposedly “threatening” aspects of gay people (although i’ll take a gay-gay-gay parade over a kkk parade any day of the week!).
it’s basically forming an opinion based on a 1% (or less) representation of the group as a whole.
Exactly. And I’m with ya – some people, gay and straight alike, love the irreverance and the in-your-faceness of Pride Day parades, others, not so much. I do love the specatacle myself, and the simple joie de vivre expressed by them, realizing that many of the shennanigans are not at all representative of “gayness,’ simply a celebration of, really, a sort of campy representation of a small subslice thereof. But people who are pretty isolated from gay urban culture because they live in the ‘burbs, in more rural areas or even just really “straight” neighborhoods often don’t get a very nuanced view of the breadth of gay culture and opinion.
EvilDrPuma @114,
Well, I thought of that just a bit too late after I posted, lol.
I just watched the late showing of Countdown, having foolishly watched “The Lies of 9/11″ on ABC during the time Countdown was shown earlier. Olbermann’s indictment of Bush and company was astounding. I hope he avoids flying in small airplanes.
Margot @ 128
No worries.
A more direct way to have said that is many people watching on their teevees thing that what they see is how gay people really act, all the time, without appreciating that a lot of it is street theater (not to minimize the messages being coded into, say, The Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence, or of Dykes on Bikes, or of people parading in leather bondage teddies or assless chaps – those are there, but are not going to be appreciated by the “larger” audience).
Now bear in mind, I’m speaking strictly from a Seattle experience here, I can’t speak for other events held around the country, ‘cos I haven’t been to them.
Are there any videos of pres with Matt Lauer (I know it’s mispelled!)
from this am?
Quote from an e-mail from Dr. Dean:
Today we remember many things.
And tomorrow, back on the campaign trail, we will remember to take with us
the plain truth and a commitment to true justice for all those whose lives
were transformed on this day five years ago.
Thank you.
Governor Howard Dean, M.D.
Mmmkay, time for me to sign off; the birdies are getting restless!
TRex says:
September 11th, 2006 at 9:51 pm *
60-ft theropods eat cooked meals??
From what I’ve heard about PT911, it’s one of those movies that makes dumpsters all over the country blush from shame. (Just in case anyone goes out and finds theirs is now red!)
Goodnight all, another way-too-early morning waiting for me!
sandlin @ 132
CrooksandLiars.com has it up! It’s yummy.
I wish I knew how I felt about gay pride parades. The one I went to most recently made me question my sexuality. And not in a good way. But who am I to argue with other people’s way of expressing their sexuality?
sandlin @ 132
I’m hunting for it, too (a hi-res version). Will advise.
OT – see those forlorn Raider fans? Mothers Milk to us 49er fans!
27-0
media matters has some of the matt lauer interview
http://mediamatters.org/items/200609110009
Well, it’s not clear that anyone else is interested in putting some research time into David Cunningham and Youth With a Mission (beyond what others have already done and posted in the past 3 days), but that’s all right.
I will do a bit more anyway, in case it strikes a spark in someone.
My Google searching has turned up this additional information so far:
from Charisma Christian Life magazine’s article, 30 Emerging Voices, by J. Lee Grady. Subheading:
Who will lead the church in the next decade? These young Christian leaders, all 40 or younger, represent THE FUTURE OF THE AMERICAN CHURCH.
Wikipedia provides this:
citing to Principles Made Practical – a handbook for pioneering U of N courses.
And what has been the result of David Cunningham’s decision to get into Hollywood and turn the film industry to his purposes? On page 135 of the “Principles Made Practical” handbook, we find:
The “University of Nations” (an unaccredited but apparently financially prosperous “university” run by the founders of YWAM) has its own “School of Video Production,” about which the U of N’s magazine, University of the Nations Express Online wrote in 1999:
(More as I (or perhaps others?) dig up information.)
60-ft theropods eat cooked meals??
My tummy is a bit sensitive.
Surprise, surprise! The Bush speech failed mightly to impress the editorial board of the New York Times. It did not get any stars. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09…..e1.html?hp
Meanwhile, back at the ranch….
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..00374.html
~~~Connecticut Issues Shadow Other Races []
Lawless is hardly alone plugging into Connecticut’s high-voltage Senate fight for energy and inspiration. Congressional candidates from both parties have pounced on the Lamont-Lieberman showdown in hopes of gaining an edge in several races elsewhere. []
Meanwhile, Democratic House challengers waging primary fights in Wisconsin and Massachusetts, like Lawless, have compared themselves with Lamont and made the war a core issue:
_Wisconsin anti-war Democrat Chip DeNure is making his fight against five-term Rep. Ron Kind a referendum on the war.
_In Massachusetts, anti-war Democrat Phil Dunkelbarger is invoking the Lieberman-Lamont fight against Rep. Stephen Lynch, who insists he is a loyal Democrat whose voting record is strongly anti-Bush. ~~~
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/ent…..335400.stm
This might spur some creative ways to take it to The Mouse after airing the GOP Informercial. We can all do something! It’s a small world, after all…
TeddySanFran @ 117
Flamboyant, maybe. Threatening? Sorry, but I just wanna give you a big old hug if I ever get to meet you. ;)
and crooks and liars has some even better stuff from tme lauer interview
http://www.crooksandliars.com/…..d-torture/
watch what a bully chimpy is!!!
well, i have to say from a strictly sydney experience, there’s a lot to that. sydney has mardi gras every year, which (having been to n’awlins a number of times for the event), really has nothing to do with mardi gras at all. it’s really the biggest gay pride parade in the southern hemisphere.
it’s ’street theatre’ as you say, it’s embracing life and being crazy and having unadulterated fun for 2 days. i find something wrong with people who CAN’T understand that.
incidentally, my favorite cousin lives in seattle… he really loves the place. i’ve been considering going to UW for law school…
i’ll have a subslice of therapod, please, sir!
The Nefarious Leslie @ 145
I like to think that I can be a bit threatening when I get my Irish up.
awwwww…..
bonkers @ 136
thanks very much
is that what you call little Mr. TRex — “Irish?”
I just started watching Chimpy and Lauer and I had to turn it off for a second. Really, it’s not every day you encounter a human being who is as singularly dick-ish as our President. I mean, not only is he a failure as a statesman, but he really is a repulsive human being.
It would be a whole different ball-game if he was just stupid and lovable, but he really, really is an ASSHOLE on an interpersonal level. Up against the wall, please.
TeddySanFran @ 152
Well, it is green, and about the size of the average leprechaun, or so I’m told.
please can we return to the good ol’ days of ‘bush is a wimp’?
or “wimpy chimpy”?
you have to know this would drive them crazy! it’s why they took on the whole tough guy/cowboy image in the first place.
Prof @ 140
Prof, did you see this dKos diary?
ALMP @24
I keep hearing from Bush that ” We had lawyers look at all this and they said it was legal”
Besides the obvious CYA, since when do lawyers get to decide what is legal?
In every courtroom I have ever been in there is a 50% chance that your lawyer is going to be wrong on how he has interpreted the law.
TRex- please give a nice “newcomer welcome” to p-rex. He appeared last eve, and didn’t know about Late Nite traditions. But, it looks like he’s quick on the uptake. Hi p-rex!
Bush seems not to have convinced the editiorial board at the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. They shred Bush/Cheney to pieces small enough for Trex to swallow.
http://www.ajc.com/opinion/con…..2iraq.html
TRex @ 149
Well, I guess it depends on your definition of threatening. I’m Scots-Irish myself, so I’m not easily intimidated. *g*
Evening, p-rex! Welcome.
stomp @ 156
We had lawyers look at this, and we fired the ones who didn’t tell us what we wanted to hear.
TRex- gotta luv you. You are so quick on the uptake. And, where were you when Patrick got kicked out of The Majestic?
Valley Girl @ 157
oh, golly! thanks valley girl.
(i’m at work right now — explains my sporadic posts at times…and why i had to duck out last nite).
like i was sayin’ yesterday, i’ve been lurking for a bit, so i know it’s a nice community. and i’m proud to be here!
We had lawyers look at this, and we fired the ones who didn’t tell us what we wanted to hear.
DINGDINGDINGDINGDINGDING!!!
You are correct!
Boy, you speak really good Bushese. You should do the subtitles on the next speech.
The reason, or pretext, for this latest barbaric proposal is so Bush can bring a case against the remaining 9/11 suspects, this after having pulled information from them by torture to produce evidence that’s inadmissible by civilized standards of justice, including our military justice.
A first year law student would have flagged the risk of tainting cases when these methods were employed. It surely came up, only to be batted down by Madman Addington, legal oracle to the Sith Lord Cheney, with Bush jumping chimpishly up and down on his Oval Office desk.
Rather than admit the mistake and live down its consequences, they do the usual and turn it around: anyone who dares hold them accountable for the screw-up is a traitor.
A further effect of the changes Bush seeks, not to be missed, would be his exonration from violations of the War Crimes Act. He points to the 9/11 suspects and shrieks, “There’s your man! String him up!”
Russ Feingold will not miss these points. He made them in reaction to Arlen Specter’s proposal to approve illegal wiretapping after the fact on Bush’s “promise” to take his program to the FISA court. Ask John McCain about the worth of Bush’s promises about torture.
If I were a prominent Democrat I would put it this way: Either you’re with the Constitution or you’re with the terrorists. We’ve got lots of prison space, enough for all our criminals.
p-rex- I saw your later comment. Glad we didn’t run you off!!!
Valley Girl @ 163
Probably at home reading a book and listening to the Smiths.
Sad, but true.
ifthethunderdontgetya@162
Jeeeeze.
Shoulda guessed that one myself.
thanks also, t-rex! just a note — i’m not here to piggyback on your massive dinosaur shoulders… i’ve been blogging for a while as progressaurus rex.
but it just gets too long to type sometimes.
thanks again!
p-rex- BTW, Patrick is TRex’s twin brother, who sometimes writes Late Nite posts.
I suspect what Bush’s lawyers told him about his plans for torture, secret prisons, etc. was “We think you have a good chance of getting away with this, and if you don’t, The Rubberstamp Congress will bail you out.”
This Lauer interview is one excruciating bit of interpersonal theater. Whose idea do you suppose it was to have them stand so close together in such a big room?
I like Lauer’s technique of waving an open marker at the president’s suit jacket while he talks. I have to try that sometime.
right folks, thanks for the welcome.
i’ve gotta drive underwater (the sydney harbor tunnel) and go home now… i’ll check back on the other side.
until then, take care!
(incidentally, trex, i love the smiths…!)
p-rex @ 174
We’ll probably be here when you get back.
I hope the summer you’re about to have isn’t as miserably hot as ours was, by the way.
TRex @ 173
Me too! Thanks for the tip. Not that I will ever get that close to El Presidente. But, I have some other more modest targets in mind now.
Prof #140:
So Davey Cunningham likely feels that God speaks to him we can assume. Apparently, God’s a big fan of “NYPD Blue” circa 1993. Jeezus has there ever been more “shakey-cam” ever committed to celluloid?
Also, I saw maybe 50% of the nonsense, and was really stunned by the blatant Islam versus Christianity subtext under everything. Gotta give the dude props for coming through on his desire to influence Hollywood with “a biblical values based message.” Genocides based upon which Cloud Being you CHOOSE to believe in…just what the bible ordered! Jesus would be proud of you, Young David.
These people must be stopped before they succeed on their crusade to control the media, and therefore the masses. The ABC GOPumentary would be just the tip of the iceberg, I’m afraid.
David Cunningham even sent out an e-mail to his YWAM contacts, hyping his 9/11 movie on August 16. I found it on a website of a young YWAM missionary in the island of Barbados.
David Cunningham specifically revealed in that private e-mail his intentions in getting this broadcase by ABC:
I expect this Barbados website to disappear as soon as the YWAM people realize that the progressive community has found this message. The Google cache will not disappear, but the full Cunningham letter is a click inside of that.
So I beg your indulgence in my posting here the full letter, in case the web page gets taken down as other pages of YWAM involving “Path to 9/11″ and Cunningham have been in the last few days.
Prof @ 140
Here’s a DKos dairy about YWAM: http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..192056/473
When I was doing work for Calvary Chapel, the major winger fundie church in SoCal, even they thought YWAM was a cult.
But then, as has been pointed out elsewhere, fundie evangelicals think every other type of Xtian is, well, not a true believer.
Wow I just watched the end of the Lauer interview. That was a nice shot where he asked the president if we’re not turning into the very kind of people we are allegedly trying to fight.
I’m impressed. He gets a gold star.
Honestly, I think he was using that open sharpie defensively. The President was being really invasive of his body space, but he had to watch out for the marker, so he could only get so close.
I’ve never thought Lauer was particularly handsome before, but now I sort of see it.
Prof- possible that the google cache will disappear, if there are further updates to the site. Get that screen shot now!!!
The Nefarious Leslie @ 156
Prof, did you see this dKos diary?
No. Thanks. I gotta go to sleep now.
TRex @ 180
considering the choices available, yeah, Matt’s the handsome one. also, he has a soul, a bonus!
p-rex @ 174
Oh…you’re probably gone, but my wife and I were engaged on the Sydney Harbor Bridge! Thanks for reminding me of a wonderful day…G’day.
“…Karl Rove’s fall election strategy. He’s intending to line up 9/11 families to accuse McCain, Warner and Graham…”
The Republicans are running away from Bush.
Candidates from his own party are going out of their way to NOT be seen with him.
If you don’t have any coat tails to offer your party, give them something to run against. Let them run against you. How do you do that? By putting distance between them and you. By calling them out.
By calling out the Republicans Bush is doing them a favor.
Don’t let them do this.
Tie their sorry asses to Bush with ropes of steel. They’ve kissed his ass for five years. It’s too late to distance themselves now, just in time for the election when their Prez is low in the polls.
This is more of Karl’s bull.
Don’t let them get away with it.
That letter from Cunningham is APPALLINGLY written. Subject-verb agreement? Hello?!
okay, TRex, you win, i got your email.
ifthethunderdontgetya @
162
He had John Yoo and Alberto Gonzales look at it. They drew up a piece of paper for him to sign saying the the Geneva Conventions don’t apply. But, guess what. There’s the War Crimes Act of 1996 that says any violation of Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions is a federal offense, and a capital offense if death results to the victim (as it has to 36 GWoT detainees).
So now the bunch of them are war criminals facing possible capital punishment. (Not likely.) They are taking out insurance in the form of the Military Commissions Act of 2006 which went to Congress last Wednesday. It guts the War Crimes Act with ammendments and legalizes war crimes retroactively back to 9/11/01. BTW, the legal insurance business is booming at the CIA — R. Jeffrey Smith has an article about it in today’s WaPo.
margot @ 112, may i add, ‘freedom does not guarantee security, while no freedom guarantees slavery’.
peas!
Prof at 178: “A cultural event that will impact the nation,” eh?
Perhaps so – but not, I think, in the way David Cunningham intended.
TRex… my boyfriend is a TV Engineer and did several of the NBA games which dovetailed with one of the Bush events. There was one event in Milwaukee and made the TV crew’s life hell but the issue is how they set up the whole thing to get the “right view”. I am trying to remember all the “rules” that were required of the Bush TV crew but there were to be NO cables on the ground, Bush would NOT walk over cables or the covers. All cable had to be strung overhead. People sitting had to be XX feet away and standing were XX feet. But the camera shots were to make it look like they are close but I bet there was at least 10 feet distance.
I wish I remember how many feet but it was 10-15 ft away. The security crews really creeped them out too. There were no empty chairs, BushCo brought their own drapes to cover any empty spaces and the graphics guys cut and paste the images of people to make the crowd look larger than it is. There was one event that had one soldier’s image placed all over the audience.
Another really weird thing is that all of Bush’s body wastes are bagged and taken away from an event. Any ideas there??? Drug testing anyone?
TRex @ 186
Yeah, words are apparently not his thing.
katymine 190:
Another really weird thing is that all of Bush’s body wastes are bagged and taken away from an event. Any ideas there??? Drug testing anyone?
Are you fucking kidding me? Your guys saw this?
katymine @ 190
Did your bf witness that? If that’s true, it makes it really plain that they don’t want anyone getting any evidence on exactly what chemicals are going through that man’s body.
TRex- thanks for the Lauer info. As you may recall, I don’t have TV. From what you first said, I thought that the sharpie thing was offense. On the videos I’ve seen, I don’t recall The President (??? of what The President do you speak??) being invasive with body language. Except for that treading on the flag pic, and that was invasive. Is this yet another incarnation of the devil, or have I not been paying attention? xxoo
TRex @ 180
Same act with Brian Williams in Nola. Chested him more than once.
katymine @ 190
This post deserves a second reading, especially the last paragraph. One can but wonder…
Valley Girl @ 181
OK, VG. Did. (took 4 screenshots to capture the whole thing)
Gnite
katymine- “Bush would NOT walk over cables or the covers” – geez- the guy was afraid of tripping. He can’t walk and walk at the same time. Other thing you mention- well ain’t that quaint?
katymine @ 190
Speaking of small world, after all…
I work in TV and was actually a camerman at a baseball game in Milw where Dumbya threw out the first pitch (seriously!). Is this what you’re talking about, and if so, I might very well know your boyfriend. Can you give any clues or name if comfortable? Weird….
stomp @ 157
Someone needs to tell the President that just because your lawyer says it’s okay doesn’t mean it’s legal, and if he’s wrong and you do it you’re the one who goes to jail. (I mean tell him in public for everyone’s benefit, because he’d ignore it, obviously.)
Redshift @ 200
After all, ignorance is no excu…never mind.
GSD @
58
“The hard cold reality that Rush must face is that Americans are, more and more, at war with the Cheney Administration, while the Cheney Administration is at war with the American Constitution and the freedom of the American People.” – fahrender, 9/11/06
and Rush, you can take that to the bank. putz.
TRex @ 179
Someone will have to clue Chancellor Merkel in on this technique. That’s it for me, folks, have a great night!
In Alaska they are called “Rent-a-Can”, I think you get my drift…. BushCo brings his own potty where ever he goes… Gee now how many want to work that Secret Service detail?
When Bush travels via Air Force One, he brings his own bed, potty, dishes and food. They have a swag plane with their SUV’s and equiptment. Usually there is around 300-600 people to man these trips. My bf has been trying to get an idea how much per hour these continual BushCo campaign tours are costing the tax paying public… BUT it is secret.
The Nefarious Leslie @ 193
Or any chemical imbalances
fahrender @ 202
And Rush is at War with his penis. Viagra much?
Someone needs to tell the President that just because your lawyer says it’s okay doesn’t mean it’s legal, and if he’s wrong and you do it you’re the one who goes to jail.
Remember that the lawyers in question are, like, Harriet Miers and John Yoo. Not the most astute legal minds on the planet.
1970cs @ 205
Yeah, I had that in mind as well … though any of those that do exist are almost certainly being treated by chemicals of the man-made kind.
whoops.
TRex @ 206
Really? You mean we don’t have two Constitutions, one for peacetime and one for wartime? Ohmygawd!
bonkers @199, moble TV is a small world. He has done the last three seasons of NBA and now moved over to monday night football. We can’t bite the mouse in our house as it is the mouse that feeds us. This was the 2004 season and it seemed that Bush Tour was either just before or after one of their games which just made their world hell.
The Nefarious Leslie @ 209
Anyone read Glenn Greenwald today? Of course you did!
The Nefarious Leslie @ 209
It’s always difficult to keep patients on their meds
Might I remind everyone that trade-marked names of *many* pharmaceuticals are often included in SPAM, and thus get caught in FDL filters? Hint, hint…
TeddySanFran @ 187
You’re the one who said I was quick on the uptake.
1970cs @ 212
Yeah, and I bet keeping this one regulated is a full-time job for multiple people.
Ok since I gave you a job YOU are glad you do not have…. (Bush potty keeper) … I am heading off to bed…. Nite TRex… catch ya tomorrow..
TRex- well, then, two people said you were quick on the uptake, because that’s what I said. How many more votes do you need?
katymine @ 212
Ah. The one I did was around 2002. Now one of my best friends is the audio effects mixer in the truck for Mon Night FB. Maybe they know each other. Yes, the small world gets much smaller in TV.
The Bush-Rove strategy may be (and is) craven. It may be (and is) in-your-face. It may smell (and does) like extortion. It still works — just like a charm.
In tomorrow’s Washington Post are the first signs it’s working, as planned:
The Senate bill for the first time includes language supporting the administration’s position that detainee abuse can be prosecuted only if it, in effect, “shocks the conscience.”
Warner, Graham and McCain can’t stand the heat. And as for Mr. Straight Talk:
If that’s an example of McCain’s “leadership style,” he can kiss his ambitions buh-bye.
The Nefarious Leslie @ 217
Just look at the body language of the Lauer interview, or the Willams interview in New Orleans. Completely out of control.
HotFlash @
196
and you can’t smell the Jim Beam on someone’s breath from 10 feet away, can you?
McCain is the conservative triangulator. Do Repubelicans have a DLC equivolent?
FYI Y’all on the 9/11 topic but EPU’d from last thread. You guys are so fast I can hardly keep up with the posts.
The movie that was recommended as better than the Docu-bs-fest utilized the timeline on 9-11 that was compiled at this website. It is a wealth of info FWIW. There are also timelines on other events such as Katrina.
http://cooperativeresearch.org
1970cs @ 221
I noticed it too. It also resulted in weird up close camera angles and did not look dignified. I think he has a personality disorder.
1970cs @ 222
Bush has reverted to his blowing up frogs stage.
Whew. Just watched Olbermann. Damn. He’s testifying!! Speak, brother, SPEAK!
MsAnnaNOLA @ 224
Just one?
The Nefarious Leslie @ 227
First, he would need to have a personality and not just a collection of tics.
NefLes- going to crash soon, but…
Bush? With each personality he has, thus comes a personality disorder.
TRex @ 227
It’s the second viewing (with no distractions) that really knocks your socks off.
Great job upstairs.
TRex @ 228
Tics? Wait, tics are treatable! You get tweezers, and some rubbing alcohol, and …
oh, never mind. What TRex said was better.
The Nefarious Leslie @ 210
In fact, from Glenn Greenwald, quoting Bob Egelko of the San Francisco Chronicle:
http://glenngreenwald.blogspot…..rs-in.html
Tics? Wait, tics are treatable! You get tweezers, and some rubbing alcohol, and …
I’d like to burn him up on the end of a needle, alright.
I just decided to make myself a grilled cheese sandwich.
MsAnnaNOLA @ 226
Of course, if this is true…
http://www.americanpolitics.co…..nnell.html
…it would explain alot about Dumbya. Oh, the emotional turmoil in that little man’s head…scary.
Valley Girl @ 229
Too true, VG.
Valley Girl @ 235
Yumm. Could you make one for me, while you’re at it?
bonkers @
238
I fucking knew it.
‘You’ll get a bang out of this’
;>)
NefLes- As you wish! And, btw, I’ve never gotten around to watching the uncut version of that Polanski film. “Things” have intervened. Are you still interested? If you give me permission, perhaps I could somehow “discover” your email addy, and thus, send to a real address. And, BTW, did you see “The Tenant”? (was that the title?)
‘Night, all.
TRex @ 239
Do we have any idea who this McConnell person is? Male or female (first name sounds female)? McConnell says the info has been online for two years but only now (well, this past June) feels “compelled” to talk about it?
Not that McConnell’s allegations surprise me, but let’s not be gullible.
darkblack!!! you’ve been reading!!! But, I have to confess, I couldn’t easily identify the face on the frog. Really.
Hmmm…and there’s never been any explanation for, what seems to be, overnight stays by Jeff Gannon/Guckert at the White House based on the offical check-in sheets supplied by the WH.
Man, just thinking back over the last few years and just can’t believe how one freaky story after another is allowed to slide by, both by the press and the public. Strange days, indeed. If only the truth can come out one of these days. Now that’ll be a docu-drama worth watching!
I’ve had a gut feeling about the Preznint’s proclivities for a long time. It’s sickening, it’s blazingly hypocritical, but I have an awful sinking feeling that it’s true.
The Nefarious Leslie @ 245
Here’s a good place to start…
http://www.mcconnellforgovernor.com/
What if the Preznint is HIV positive? Wouldn’t that be a reason they would be so protective of his waste matter? Wouldn’t that be the supreme, desperate irony of them all? Would we have to feel compassion for him?
Valley Girl @ 241
Last Q first – no, I didn’t see it. I haven’t had much time to watch films myself lately – have had my Netflix for months. Finally got around to watching … something … g-d, I have Swiss cheese for memory some days. Anyway, just got V for Vendetta in the mail.
But yes, email addy – formerusername at gmail dot com (inca instead of nefarious, after leslie instead of before). Does that make any kind of sense? ;)
Hmmm… According to many many earlier reports (which seem credible) Ashe was Bush’s roomate at Yale. And, earlier reports go much further back that the events mentioned in the cited article. So, at first pass, I very much doubt that anyone had to be paid $15,000 to arrange for trysts between the two.
Valley Girl @ 246
Ah, you’ve minimised your knowledge of the lower primates, eh VG?
;>)
TRex @ 248
Wow. That would indeed explain a lot. And I suppose I would at some level feel compassion for him, though not enough to let him off the hook for anything he’s done.
NefLes- I think it makes sense. If not, I’ll figure it out in the morning. “The Tenant” was a truly creepy claustrophopic Polansiki film from the late 70’s early 80’s (?)
TRex @ 250
That’s quite the thought. I suppose it would be a similar feeling as watching Roy Cohn (Al Pacino) die in “Angels in America.” He was such an odious man, but you feel bad for him on his death bed. Confusing emotions for sure.
Damn, it sucks being liberal and having a conscience! I quit…David Horowitz where are you. I’m coming over. Ignorance is bliss.
darkblack–ah… got it. Sorry, I don’t usually look for anything “subtle” where dumya is concerned.
bonkers @ 256
I don’t think I would feel sorry for him at all. The suffering he has inflicted upon hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of people negates any shreds of humanity he might possess.
TRex @ 240
I have seen that before. So why is no one picking up the story? and the reverse why is there no libel suit?
Look she attacked and he didn’t respond…you know what that means…it must be true…(high snark)
Valley Girl @
227
Hence, Washingtonian Francophobia……….
It’s a good time to get your war on.
I think the truth about Bush may be so far outside people’s frame of reference that they just refuse to absorb the information. People are shockingly gullible about issues of orientation. “He can’t be gay, he’s married!”
Right.
TRex @ 258
Upon further thought, I think I’m with ya there. He’s about as extreme as it gets.
Although….
His sister died when he was young and his parents didn’t tell him. And daddy was never around for him. And momma never loved him. And…
There I go again showing compassion and understanding. Forget it. Deal with it, Georgie-boy.
Well, the clock is striking three here in EDT.
Pray for rain.
I’m going to bed.
bonkers @
238
Let’s hope this isn’t a swift boaty kinda thingy……..
TRex @ 264
Take care. Thanks for all your work here!
I was born during the Watergate hearings. When I’ve studied up on what happened there, it seems as if that happened today, we would hardly even notice it compared to the stories outta the Bush admin on a monthly basis today. Is that a fair assumption?
Just home from work and listening to Bush and Matt Lauer. So much to cry about on September 11, but to listen to that exchange – I’m going to listen to it again! – WTF does this day mean? This administration and president…….
I’m worse off on this than Trex when he said I’m about 9/11-ed out. This is one of the disadvantages of being Mr. Late Nite. By the time people get around to reading what I have to say about the events of the day, EVERYBODY else has had a crack at it.
Trex’s post was as poetic as anything I’ve seen today. We’ve got to reconstruct our country’s image. These people have screwed it up so bad, so bad.
When you live on the edge, you can tell who is worth your trust and who isn’t. All it takes when you’re rockclimbing, river rafting, winter King crabbing in the Bering Sea, running a tanker out of Valdez, exploring a place nobody has been since ? – is for one dildo brain to get everyone in a world of hurt faster than you can say “Aw shit!” Am I GLAD W was never on one of those trips with me!
I’ve heard more worthless fucks than I care to remember mouth off to me like W did to Lauer. I cannot fathom how a nation can keep putting up with this. I simply cannot fathom it at all anymore.
‘night TRex,
sleep well. no dreams of Andy Sullivan, ok?
Brad Blog on the 9/11, elections and the corporate media:
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=3448
I better go to sleep too…
Oops..gotta one month crying for daddy….adios!
bonkers @ 267
in the week or so following 9/11 there was some talk about irony being dead. gee, i sure do miss ole Nixon………….
I am way past my bedtime. And I almost wish I hadn’t seen this:
On that sad note, good night, all.
Ed*ard (#268)
” Butch Cassidy “
Strother Martin: “I’ve got morons on my team!”
Night, TRex!
Valley Girl @ 257
Admittedly, I don’t often dabble in ’subtle’, so I quite understand, VG.
If one was to entertain the concept that a gentle remonstration, or a soft display of baby animals and lush flowers, would suffice to avert the rapt fixation on the Abyss that occupies those who would see the world burned to a cinder so that ‘Heaven’ could at last be within their grasp, or the determinedly purblind whose quest for omnipotent power will leave humanity’s ashes upon their tongues…Well then, puppies and poppies it would be.
But it does not, they will not, and thus I cannot.
;>)
db (#276):
too bad stanley kubrick isn’t still around for you to collaborate with, or hunter s. thompson ………
fahrender @ 274
They aren’t morons, but they’re represented so amply by people like W who have been conditioned throughout life that they won’t be held responsible for the consequences of their actions. Again and again and again. When he took this job his earlier failures precluded him from being hired by me. People of his type bring disaster with them. The harder the job, the higher the chance people like W will let you down.
Given his background and backing, the most logical conclusion is that he was promoted for this job by people who thought they might take advantage of the chaos, or by people who were even more dense (but – again – not morons).
I have a theory about dense people…..
There have always been messianic fools near the seat of power in the US. But it was Kubrick’s vision that they would get to sit in the big chairs. I’ve been trying to figure out who the copilot is with Orwell in this – it’s Stanley!
newtonusr @ 279
I know Stangelove can’t possibly be improved, but?
fahrender @ 277
We must always look to the future, F. There are many who have not been heard from yet.
Ed*ard Teller @ 280
I’m going to start “Bush On the Couch” once I’m done with Dean. I’ve been told to expect to be literally frightened by it. I think the reason we haven’t acted (or reacted) strongly, or forcefully to these incursions on our identities is that we simply can’t cope with a reality that seems more suited to a novel.
General Election all 50 States:
1 month, 25 days, 15 hours, 11 minutes, and 41 seconds
darkblack @ 281
like….?
Ed*ard Teller @ 284
Ah, ET…You seek prognostication, evidences of a prescient sort…But I am far from being a weatherman, and at any rate you do not need me to tell you which way the wind is blowing.
;>)
However, I would say this…Mediocrity masquerading as meaningful offerings has long been the bill of fare for the West, fueled by the lowest-common-denominator quest for lucre.
Look for those who have not yet accepted the dollar bill as their personal savior.
I Seriously hope more and more Brave Liberals act more and more like Olberman the closer to the Nov elections we get.
,,And I hope everyone that reads this clics on my name for some real fine Laffs….
darkblack @
281
billmon. driftglass. colbert.
Ed*ard Teller @
283
indeed.
darkblack @ 285
were you writing dialogue for “V” ?
fahrender @ 289
I believe the second line used was a pale imitation of Mr. Zimmerman’s.
;>)
Ed*ard Teller @ 268
Hey, Why don’t you go dry your eyes Sissy…
TRex
Too bad. ;)
In Bush’s speech:
That’s how stupid he thinks we are. He’s added that to the usual laundry list of things that “they” believe, but are, of course, totally unlike anything “we” (the Administration) would do. (The “totalitarian,” “hates freedom,” and “rejects tolerance” parts being rather old hat by now.)
darkblack @
290
i saw “V” when it came out last spring. gogmagog, i just may have to lay hands on the DVD for another look…..
somebody farted. i think it were a barn critter………
Just getting here and want to say: this was the best late nite that you have ever done TRex…I want a few of the nails you are chewing. After a week in the mountains cut off from everything, it is good to get back to the hard stuff – Yah!
hi spider,
i’d stick around but i have to go get some groceries. why don’t you raise the windows and let the smell out (#291)?
Groceries? I’m on my way to bed…where you at fahrender? Best to ignore stinky barn critters, doncha think? Or else just set the rat trap with corporate peanut butter and see what you catch…nice to be back tho after a freakin’ week!
Have all reasonable people gone to bed?
spiderpaws @ 298
I’m still up, so that might be some reasonable evidence that they have…. :)
I don’t believe we’ve met, montag…
Good Morning, all
First glimmers of light on the horizon. Emotions were running very high the past few days, understandably. Glad to see more humor and kindness in the posts again.
Please get out and work every day, between now and Election Day, to make sure we have a Congress that will hold Bush and his minions accountable for their serial failures–Iraq, Afghanistan, Katrina, due process, civil liberties, et al.
Tell the truth. Tell your family, friends, and neighbors. Then ask,
Had Enough?
reasonable or unreasonable, we’re all we’ve got, I guess…
right now I can’t even find anyone who hasn’t had enough…only on Fox News…am in the west
spiderpaws @ 300
I’ve been around, off and on, mostly just to add to the general opinion that Bush is the sort of idiot that spends far too much time breathing his own farts….
well, off to count sheep, pretty quiet here
Morning All, 43 degrees, clear and sunny, birch bark to start the fire in the stove…..what’s shakin? Anyone need coffee? And of course, peace & blessings for all!
Speaking of Karl Rove. If you haven’t seen Bush’s Brain, be sure and watch it. The producers have listed it for a Movie Download and authorized people to burn up to 5 DVD copies of the download to be handed out or distributed however you want. The download takes less than an hour on a cable modem and works great. Give it out to any Republican you know. If you don’t think this guy is capable of doing ANYTHING at all to win this election, you’re deluding yourself.
Bush’s Brain Video Clips!
Just watch these short segments to the movie and then ask yourself, “Will all this brand new Presidential interest in Bin Laden turn out to be Rove’s foreplay for his innevitable capture/killing come October?” Much like the political theater that was the Zarqawi Killing.
Good morning, all! I’ll have a cuppa dat, please, OS (and one of your weather too, if it’s handy).
My, but FDL is in an expansive mood this morning, eh? One more nested quote and we blow this pop-stand.
Olbermann’s landmark performance last night is now ticking away in the inboxes of practically all my email list. Outside of FDL, I don’t think I know m/any MSNBC watchers, but this they gotta see!
Hi Nate, How’s life in Hawaii? Do you leave for the left coast soon?
Coffee — please! This chilly air is keeping me under the covers!
Good morning!!
Slipped His Moorings
by Charley Reese
“The two most dangerous leaders in the world are George W. Bush and North Korea’s Kim Jong Il. The lights seem to be out upstairs in both men. Neither man can see the world as it really exists.”
http://www.antiwar.com/reese/?articleid=9674
Since I know you’ve all been waiting breathlessly for me to tell all, I did not watch PT 109–err 9-11, nor the presidentializing last night, but I did watch 9-11 Press for Truth (or was it Push for Truth?). That Paul Thompson, wow, thanks Paul. Without someone doing the tedious/exciting work of organizing all the information, it’s hard to push truthiness into TRUTH. And we ain’t there yet, but thanks to the work of the “Jersey Girls” into which category I include all the brave angry grieving people who focussed their energies into searching for answers to their questions, we now have better questions and a more organized probe for REAL answers. A HUGE thanks to all those folks and to those who made the film!!
And here’s coffee, Imm…..I was touched by what your little boy said about having to go to school EVERY day. That’s why some of us are not lawyers or MDs…..*g*
bush is a bully we must be prepared to march in november. Hit him in the nose and he’ll back down but putting our trust in diebold election machines would be like letting a bully laugh at us. bush thinks I can change history on tv heck censorship of books, school books especially will be next. Either Clinton files a libel suit and defends his honor and reputation making bush back down. Or we will be forced to march. Its a pattern bush got away with the ABC mock u mentery now bush is wondering what he can do to top that he is testing his bounderies. We have to show him a boundery
Hi OS. Sorry about that. Didn’t mean to do a drive-by but I spilled a full glass of iced tea on my carpet right after posting.
The whole drinking iced tea at 1:00am with doors and windows open should tell you how Hawaii is tonight. ETA on the leftist front is Oct 1st still.
Got my petals all snagged at 308, *ilson. Could you please undo ‘em for me? Thanks.
OS… I’ve got the full version of Press for Truth up on my blog now if someone asks you about it. Also, if you haven’t seen Keith Olbermann’s Monologue before Bush’s own special presidentializion speech. It’s the top post on my blog right now. Press for Truth is one underneath it.
Thanks,Nate, I did slip in KO while waiting for the next segment of Press to download. That guy is national treasure these days!!
I misread Trex’s “Authoritarian cultists” at his 33 to read cubists………hmmm……sometimes the brain knows better.
And yes, the iced tea does say it all ;)
NYT:
It did my heart good to watch KO tonight. More than that, my brother who has long been a bit of a reactionary right-winger with little engagement in politics, and whose stubborn eyes I’ve been working to open for years for the sake of his son, had a visceral reaction to it and sent the link out to a rather large mailing list he has. Many of whom are proud Republicans and hardcore Bush supporters. He’ll likely take a ration from many of them and remarkably, he’s welcoming it with an almost “bring it on” mentality. He’s lost all faith in this administration (quite understandably) but this is the first time I’ve seen him spoiling for a fight take on others about it.
It made me so proud! :)
WaPo’s new page format steenks. You have to scroll down a bit to find the article, and after gandering at the pix, you’ll probly want to scroll back up to the Print button to read it . . . but the giggles are worth the fuss.
Bless you, *ilson! My morning dears, if you F5 it, you’ll see me start yakking at 308.
Good morning firedogs. I’m heading out the door to hit my polling place before work. It sure will feel great to pull the lever for Hillary Clinton’s opponent, progressive Democrat Jonathan Tasini.
Vote our proxies with great passion and pleasure, op99!
Thanks for being such a good citizen OP99..may the force be with us at all the primaries today!!
Londoners are pondering this excellent column today:
Emphasis mine.
NYT:
I’d like to call attention to a comment from the Olbermann thread that never got a response.
I mentioned earlier in the day how I woman arrived at the store where I work, all shook up because she had been “thinking about The Path to 911 all day”. She believed it was a re-enactment of true events and said “I had no idea they let Bin Laden get away, that it was Clinton”. I set her straight and told her to look on line, but criminy! She’s never struck me as a dummy, she was just plain duped!
What can we do about this? Is there a way to respond, to reach these people? What medium is the one they are most likely to be exposed to?
mornin’ all. Another crisp, clear morning here in eastern PA. How’s everyone?
Good morning, y’all. Nice catch on the Gene Weingarten column, lotus. Used to be that he only did humor for the WaPost… guess that’s about the only way one can write about this sorry Administration without pure visceral anger.
Xebecs, I don’t know the answer — I’ve been looking for one myself lately. I don’t know whether it’s possible to actually get to some people in the sense that if they’re not willing to think, we can’t do it for them.
Beyond Libby Purves, Blighty has much else to read today (and both the Times and the Guardian report a rash of stingray mutilations off Australia that would surely kill Steve Irwin all over again).
http://www.timesonline.co.uk
http://www.guardian.co.uk
http://www.independent.co.uk
http://www.telegraph.co.uk
Morning gang — working on my first article of the day, and sipping room service coffee that I didn’t have to make myself. Ahhhhhh…it’s the little things. *g*
Good morning, Christy. Luxuriate while you can, dahlin’!
Good morning, my dear pups. Always grateful to the East coasters who lay out the morning’s newspapers for us and get the coffee going.
Oop99 – thank you for voting for a progressive Dem~
See Christy, I”m right about coffee tasting better when someone else makes it for you.
Morning Christy, here’s to a great day for you!!
Xebecs, I think we have to hope that enough of us are willing to talk freely and frequently (using a penetrating but not obnoxious voice) in public places that those who need to hear will. I use nearly every human encounter as an opportunity to bring up political issues, whether it be at the grocery store, post office or wherever. There’s always a hook available somehow. I think we have to rely on one another to spread the word, given that they own the media.
Nate, your blog is really cookin’. Looking forward to having you in California. This state is slowly turning to the right, thanks to Arnold. Dumber than a post, but a movie star.
The profanity and vulgarity in the original article is food for those who oppose us. While I detest the neocons as much as anyone, I would prefer a more calm attack. Vile only outrages and inspires our enemies. Lets clean it up here.
Thank you
My big worry in the coming year has to do with a tactic that I have been seeing more and more, the denigration of basic civil rights.
When I read “because they want to uphold the ancient judicial traditions”, I immediately remembered an article in the NY Times Magazine on August 20th by Weekly Standard’s Christopher Caldwell. His thesis was that our civil rights “are overly punctilious, and damaging to law enforcement” and that “they are temporary adjustments that were useful under certain specific circumstances in part of Europe between World War II and the late 20th century.”
The Post 8/10 World
The point coming down the road is (with a nod to Mr. Orwell) that some people are “more equal than others”, thus, only some are entitled to a fair trial by jury and only some are entitled to privacy, only some are entitled to vote or a fair counting of votes, etc.
Be afraid, be very afraid.
Lucky, if you are new here, this is an ongoing topic of discussion that rouses high emotions on both sides. The rule here is if it’s okay with the owners and the moderators, it goes. But point taken here.
lucky @ 334
Gee, I prefer accuracy, and these assholes deserve some bile spewed in their direction–and here’s hoping they don’t duck quickly enough.
Cheers.
new thread
Is it just me, or are we seeing another rash of f*cking concern trolling?
;-)
Mornin’, FirePups. Easterners, batten down; rain coming your way, got a mess of it last night.
On to the next thread…
FishGuyDave @
329
My take on the woman was that she was the clueless sort whose first encounter with “information” on the topic was the Pt911 film, but who might not have been a hard-core righty.
Perhaps it’s not a matter of getting through to people who won’t think, but people who haven’t been paying attention.
You and I know to look first at the source of information, and then to check the veracity using google and trusted web sites, but many (most?) people don’t. How do we get into their “visual field”?
lucky @ 335
Fuck off.
Thanks!
“How stupid does he think we are?”
At least 39% percent of the Amrican people are idiotic dolts.
WHAT RIGHT-WING REPUBLICANS *REALLY* ARE:
(Brace yourself for a shock)
http://altair44.blogspot.com/
Patrick @ 343
Nice…please continue in that manner you snotnosed little children.You make it sooo Ezzzz for the GOP.