
(Graphics luv to Jesus General.)
Can someone explain to me how a movie which is purportedly based on and written based on the 9/11 Commission report can justify its star having to fact check his own lines? Or the director of the film paging through the report to justify scenes as written? (H/T to reader *xyz)
Meanwhile, sources on the set told The Post that during filming there were arguments over the veracity of the content.That legitimacy problem, they said, was exacerbated by the fact that no experts were on hand to get things straight.
When Oscar nominee Harvey Keitel signed on to play Deputy FBI Director John O'Neill, who perished in the World Trade Center attacks, he thought the film's aim was to be historically correct, he said.
"It turned out not all the facts were correct," which led to "arguments," he said on CNN.
Virtually from Day 1 of shooting, "Keitel put his own researcher on the case," looking to correct historical, character and other inaccuracies he found in the script, said John Dondertman, a production designer on the film.
That led to Keitel rewriting most of his own lines - which in turn meant almost daily revisions for cast members who had scenes with him.
A particular point of contention was a scene in which O'Neill, observing reams of Arabic documents, asks his assistant, "Do we have Arab translators?" only to be told, "I don't know of any. I'll call around."
"Keitel couldn't understand why the FBI didn't have Arabic translators, so the dialogue was changed on the spot," said a script supervisor.
On one occasion, Keitel holed up in his hotel for an entire day with director David Cunningham revising the script.
Other times, Cunningham would "fumble through the 9/11 Commission book trying to figure out how to correct details Keitel called into question," said the script supervisor.
The SCRIPT SUPERVISOR said this to the NYPost?!? No one talks about this sort of thing in Hollywood -- ever. That is HUGE. Keitel is speaking up, and now the script supervisor. The director and writer are running around giving interviews to college newspapers in their own defense, after sending out pre-screeners to right wingnuts to play CYA in case ABC/Disney required edits?
Half-assed, sloppy, unprofessional, biased...and those are just the first four words that spring to mind. You know what would make me happy? Putting Joe Conason on for an hour or two before the damn thing ever starts to talk about each and every detail of smarm has been involved in the making of this craptastic festival of truthiness. (Not holding my breath.)
ABC/Disney has put its ass out there all on its own volition. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face -- that's gonna be one helluva Disney shareholders meeting next time, isn't it?
(And for folks who need some amusement, Jesus General has a video that is worth a peek. Luv it [heterosexually speaking, of course].)
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i can’t believe it. not only is the docu-fantasy of complete travesty of how hollywood actually works, but i’m first!
ReddHedd on fire today!
Thomas Kean really ought to be ashamed of himself. Did anyone have the guts or the brains to ask him how much he was paid for associating the 9/11 with this filth? and to which charity he’s going to donate that money now?
Also, having skimmed through a couple of earlier threads, don’t forget that John Lehman was the administration’s quasi-official spokesman on the Commission. Remember how Clarke swatted him down? He’s a bitter little hack.
Perfect timing Christy! I just finished all my cooking and I cleaned the whole damn house since 5:30 AM. Yikes…I’ll probably pass out reading your post!
Skippy!!!
First in our threads, and first introducer of Blogtopia!!!
This is the intro Jesus General made for the path of 9/11 or how to help the gop win. I don’t know if you can add it above but for a good laugh go see it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....&eurl=
sorry for the quick hit, I am running out the door to see the 9/11press for truth movie, but 1010WINS radio news just said that ABC just confirmed it will air this peice of crap (not their term) tonight and tomorrow as scheduled.
Oh, my gosh! I hadn’t realized that Keitel was playing O’Neill. Geez……
did they think there would be no fall out at all? stunning.
I just watched ABC from 8:45 to 9:00 a.m. (PDT) and there were numerous promo ads for upcoming ABC shows. Not one for Path to 9/11.
Que pasa?
Fantastic. The clip shows the truth in a few minutes what it took hours to lie about in PT9/11. KO must show this one (or more) times.
They obviously don’t care.
Where is the end of the line in the trip from fumble to embarrassment to crisis to catastrophe to disaster to meltdown? What’s next?
Clusterfuck City, Arizona. Enjoy your stay, Mickey.
ccmask @
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Colonel O’Neill on SG1 ought to sue for defamation.
Path to 9/11, A Michael Brown Production.
This director is just another steaming slice of crap that has floated to the top of the bowl with the Republican Elite Peter Principle.
What a fucking sham.
-GSD
I am ready for a full-on boycott of everything disney/abc. However, re: my disneyworld trip from the last thread, this is a serious quandry for me, and yes I’ll take unsolicited advice :)
We already have the plane tics. My FIL is putting us up in his disney-owned timeshare and paying for 4 day passes, so it’s not my money. But it is my conscience! The topper, I have a 6 y.o. daughter who will have the time of her life. I’m already a political extremist in my in-laws eyes, but I don’t care what they think. This is about my daughter, period. My wife and I just talked about this for an hour, there is no good solution.
Is there really no chance left that they’re going to pull the plug on this PT9/11 POS?
Gotta love that Jesus General!
just woke up after working until 4AM and that was the perfect pick-me-up!
GSD @ 15
Time to flush the bowl!
Anyone from previous thread wanting the Disney Lies bumper sticker (hi res), e-mail me at lindy at lindysgraphics dot net.
Jim @ 3
I heard interviews this week on tv where he said the following (these are all paraphrases, not actual quotes):
“I was a paid consultant”
“I was an unpaid consultant”
“If I were a paid consultant, I would give all of the money to charity.”
I’m not sure what the next spin will be, but I’m relatively certain that it will be another lie. Truth is not something this production has in abundance.
You know what, Redd, when I watched that Harvey Keitel interview with CNN (sorry, does someone else have the link?), it sure came across as a “hummahummahumma” job to me.
I believe my exact response was:
“smarmy, squirmin’, lyinsackashit”
Nope, I peg this is a pure back-and-fill operation on ol’ Harvey’s part.
OT: CNN says “strong earthquake” [didn’t catch the Richter number] centered 6 miles below surface, 250 miles west of Tampa. Florida Mom, Hypatia — y’all here? Feel anything? How about you, LindyH?
rat bastahd @ 16
Can this be a learning opportunity for your child? “Mickey lied to America, so we can’t go to his house, honey?” Just guessing here, got none of mine own….
We had a pool going on the late nite thread about whether or not ABC would pull it. I said no, and pledged $25 to the Blue America page if I was right. It was siun’s idea, and a great one.
Let’s continue the pool here. As siun said, the prize is a new congress.
Kean said on CNN I believe that he was co-producer which sure sounds like a paid position to me!
Siun @ 17
we’re dancing to it at my house [heterosexually speaking…. well, not so much!]
Keitel. “Reservoir Dogs”. Great movie. Keitel. Damn. What an actor!
Thanks for reviving the betting pool Tommy Yum!
Who else is in?
I can’t get out of my mind that Clinton, Albright, Berger could have had lawyers in NZ and Oz standing by with libel suits ready to file, and slapped them into the courts on an emergency basis as soon as the first segment of Path to Libel was shown down under.
Public officials sue people all the time in those countries — and win. Truth isn’t even a slam-dunk defense to a libel suit in Australia, even if truth had been used.
A quick lawsuit there might have caused a hurricane of concern at ABC/Disney headquarters (butterfly effect).
But while blogs are nimble, politicians and statesmen/women of my generation are not.
Sending a letter was hard enough for them.
Filing a lawsuit?
Would probably take them months to decide, when it should have been done today in Australia.
rat bastahd @ 16
I have the same situation - going in January. I have decided that we will do Nick Hotel, Universal and Sea World. Honestly, Disney World really sucks anyway.
rat bastahd @ 16
Unsolicited advice as requested hehe:
Stay in the free timeshare. But go to nearby Knott’s Berry Farm instead.
Stay out in Valencia instead of Orange County, and go to Magic Mountain (Six Flags) instead.
There’s at least one water park in the area (San Dimas?), where your daughter would have a great time if she likes the water. It’s still pretty warm here.
The lack of advertising for the show makes me think they might still pull it, but I’m not betting on it.
I hate this new *meme*. It’s as grating as *nucular*. FACTS are FACTS. A fact by its very nature is true. Saying the FACTS were not correct is ridiculous. When the hell did people start using the word “fact” this way? I wish they’d cut it out.
That said, I feel for Keitel. He must be embarrassed about this project.
ratbastid: If you feel really bad about your daughter, why not buy yourself a box of 100 sheets of labels and print them out saying things like: “Path to 9/11-Micky Mouse is a Republican” and stick them all over the magical freakin kingdom. Just a thought…
Although I’m not sure why an actor of Keitel’s caliber didn’t read the script before he signed on. Unless he’s a wingnut, which I doubt.
In our desire to boycott lets remember to delete all things Disney ( ABC LIFETIME ESPN and DISNEY) from our cable or sat. boxes. Would be great if we could have a choice weather or not we actually pay for channels we choose to watch or not. After all if we pay for cable/sat we pay Disney no matter what we view) Perhaps we could hit our providers and congress over the proverbial head with this type of demand.
Is it possible that the Clinton folks can hit the airwaves tomorrow to slam ABC for showing such a hit piece???/
Rat @ 16
Years ago we got stuck going to Disneyland when our kids were 6 and 8. It was a BIL instead of a FIL, but still the same freebie invitation. Well, they didn’t have the time of their life. In fact, they loved the train ride down to Florida most of all. They were grumpy and tired walking the park; it was crowded and hot and all they wanted to do was go swimming in the hotel pool. Later, when my kids were in HS they went with the marching band; the HS kids were bored after the first day and tried sneaking out of the park. It’s really much more fun to take the kids to the beach and let them swim in the ocean. Back out and make another plan…let your daughter build sand castles herself and skip the Magic Kingdom.
If they have radios for your showers, why don’t they have monitors?
Still waitin’ for the Hollywood skinny on this crew from our own Jane Hamsher……suspect there’s a hell of a backstory here that we haven’t heard yet?
Eureka Springs, AR @ 34
Do what we did. We cancelled cable. Unplugged.
Siun @ 26
I am!
rat bahstad at 16 — I’d go. Your daughter is already looking forward to the trip, and it would be cruel to her to cancel. However, I have a fun solution for you, too: They have these handy little comment boxes all over WDW. You can spend the whole vacation putting in little notes about this craptastic extravaganza of a film, and because they have a response policy on complaints, they will have to answer each and every one of them. :)
“911 the Musical!”
My friend who passed away recently was well loved in NYC. for his humor among many other fine attributes. The last time I saw him we joked about “911 the Musical” and this idea seems so apt, after all Disney bought 42nd street. How do we combat corporate wing nuts with their power and money and our limp unconcerned comrades. If there is to be no censorship of extreme political defamation and lies to fly freedoms stars and stripes for the gleefully ignorant self anointed god sent on public air then suddenly “911 the Musical” has a ring; the backroom planning of the US. and Saudi oil elite, the American wing nut coup de taut, the bottomless greed, the American Texas illuminati ala Pier Paolo Pasolini’s Salo.
If public air waves allow for controversial programs as “Path to 9/11″ there are plenty of others that have been prevented in the past that now should air. Such as a popular film that debuted at the 2004 Cannes Film Festival in the documentary film category and was awarded the Palme d’Or, the festival’s highest award, by an international jury should be a exceptable film for ABC primetime. As of January, 2005, the same film has grossed nearly US$120 million in U.S. box office, and over US$220 million worldwide, an unprecedented amount for a political documentary; Sony reported first-day DVD sales of two million copies, again a new record for the genre. The film has grossed a further $99 million overseas. From Wikipedia. Maybe ABC should show Fahrenheit 9/11 next Sept. 11.
JPL at 6 — I already linked that above.
Once again, the General rises to the occasion. I know I know the theme music he used but just can’t place it. Any help?
Jenny from the Blog @ 31
What you need to understand is the 30% that John Dean talks about, the rigid wingnut brain suffers have a different way of how this works.
Wingnuts have a fixed world view, THEY FIX the facts to fit their world view.
Liberals/Progressives review the facts and adjust their world view to fit the facts because we know that FACTS are FACTS. The problem with the BushCo perversion of statistics and MSU (making shit up), who knows what a fact is anymore?
Yeah, rat, maybe you can get some good pics of picketers to email us. If you get arrested, I could bail you out in about 1-1/2 hours!
Ratbahstid,
At they very least leave a turd in the punchbowl.
-GSD
Sorry for being scatalogical today but to quote Private Pyle in Full Metal Jacket: “We live in a world of shit”.
5 years ago today: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUKJNxdmX6Y
I wonder if Disney/ABC will cover this? You think someone would wonder where $2.3 Trillion went. Ask Rummy…
I was having a lively discussion with my wife about Disney’s determination to turn itself into a tool of the extreme right wing of the Repiglican party. The discussion came down to what we would do if they went ahead with this propaganda piece. My wife laughingly suggested what I consider to be a brilliant response!
If Disney insists on trashing Democrats we can, respond by holding public trash Disney Parties!
A public get together where participants take every Disney product they own and one by one toss them into the trash!
The images of people tossing Mickey and Donald into the back of Garbage truck on local and national media outlets danced across my mind and inspired me to post this here. Cross posted to Daily.kos
This crazy, bizarro ‘up is down world’ we’re living in where there is no such thing as FACT anymore, I guess. It’s all *fair and balanced*. There’s only opinion and philosophy, left or right, and there’s no inherent truth to be found.
Feeds right into the rightwing propaganda, changing our language. I’m so sick of us allowing them to mutiliate the truth.
Christy, Thanks. The General has a way of improving lifting my spirits.
rat bastahd @ 29
wouldn’t they normally be promoting the hell out of it the afternoon of the day it’s supposed to air?
GSD @ 47
What is your major malfunction soldier?!
We can’t ignore this from today’s WaPo story on Bin Laden
Iraq has taken critical resources away from the war on terra.
katymine -
I hate to say it, but the left misuses the word *fact* as well. Christy (bless her beautiful heart) used it this way in a post the other day… It’s oozing into our everyday speech. :(
So Keitel was under some contract for a “documentary” that he couldn’t get out of when it turned out to be fiction? Why wasn’t he leaking information about the propaganda while it was in production? Sorry. It sounds like he’s just embarrassed and is now engaged in CYA.
We need commitments from the Democratic leaders that they will be conducting hearings before the election on this propaganda piece, and investigations after they take back the Congress.
The Republican maneuver to lie, distort and corrupt must be kept front and center to reach the low-info voters.
And I’ve been loving all the graphics on the major blogs, especially the Bushco in mouse ears ones.
Kurt, we’re going to disneyworld, in FL. I would love to make this a learning experience for my daughter, but instead I fear all I’d really do is further alienate the in-laws and that my daughter wouldn’t really get it. Not that I won’t try to explain it to her, even if we go. I can’t imagine letting them go in the parks without me, I’d make a statement, but would miss the crucial father/daughter interactions.
McGee (36), say what?
lina @ 52
Not if their “profit margin” wasn’t already assured. It will run without commercial interruption. The point is that it got made and will get aired despite the controversy, hopefully with as little fanfare as possible. That’s all their corporate/idealogue masters want.
Prof @ 27
My guess is they were hoping the movie would be pulled, thus no need to sue. Now that part one has aired, and it’s almost 7am in Wellington NZ, we’ll know soon enough if a lawsuit gets filed. I hope they sue UHP Productions and ABC into bankruptcy.
lina @ 50
a 2-day five hour $40,000,000 prime-time “patriotic” movie with no commercials would normally be hyped and shilled and ballyhooed for weeks beforehand. The lack of on-air promotion is stunning !
why aren’t the dogs barking?
I wouldn’t be so incensed by this farce of a project if it was airing with commercials. Of course it’s tacky and crappy, but the gravitas that goes along with an uninterrupted (except by Bush’s lie-ridden speech at halftime) program is a tremendous problem.
lina @ 10
I was watching ‘This week w/George’ and I saw the commercial at least once…maybe twice but I was switching back and forth from ‘Tim and Dickless’ and by the time I flipped back, it was gone
Jenny from the Blog @ 62
Correction: Bush’s lie-ridden commercial. We’ll then be returned to our regularly-scheduled reality.
Well, gotta go. I’m sorry to sound critical, Christy, because of all the incredibly wonderful work you do, day in and day out. I just happened to notice that *fact* thing the other day. Didn’t mean to single you out because I’m in awe of your talent and commitment. THANK YOU for all you do.
Forgot to mention PDT
I sure wish I could vote for the Democratic Party’s nominee for Senator in Connecticut, Ned Lamont — he’s a great guy !
Read this while repeating out loud over and over: “War on TERRA“
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmp.....eb434292_2
Tell me if it makes you dizzy…
rat bastahd @ 16
This might sound like rationalization, but: You made the decision to go on this trip based on information you had at the time, and you do have obligations to your daughter — as well as other family members who have made plans etc etc. I see nothing wrong with going on this trip. Going forward, you will make different decisions based on what you know now. You might spend less on “souveniers” than you would have. You might not watch so much ABC/Disney programming etc.
Bottom line, you have obligations to other people in this situation and you don’t really have the ethical right to make them pay for your political sensibilities. That would be like someone who doesn’t approve of abortion wanting to take the right away from everybody else.
*ilson46201 @ 59
I’m not surprised. This is thing has gotten more publicity than they could have ever hoped for. Why waste air time on promos when they can sell ad time in it’s place.
What’s at stake here is the demise of the Clusterfuckers.
If dems win the senate, there will be no third fascist appointed to the supreme court. If the dems win the house, there will be investigations and possibly impeachment of Herr Clusterfuck.
Now with those stakes- ya think that lyin in a stupid made for TEEVEE movie is goin ta bother these psychopaths?
I can’t see the Clintons and the rest pursuing the sliming. Their take may be that in a mud fight, the mud ends up on everyone. And then there’s Hillary. I’m for the fight but don’t see it coming. Hope I’m wrong.
RatBastahd,
I’ll add my 2 cents.
Everything seems paid for. Therefore, technically, you are not supporting them. I love the idea of the comment boxes, and the labels! You could also make sure you do not spend any money there. Pack your own lunches and drinks. Let the in-laws know that they can’t buy a souvenier for the little one.
And keep it to one day. The farm and amusement park sound like great things to do the other days. (couldn’t the inlaws get a refund or change out to a one day pass?) May be a good compromise?
Anyway, just my 2 cents!
The Democratic party doesn’t control any committees, because they don’t have a majority in either house. They can’t call any hearings, or issue subpoenas, or do anything about this or any other problem that needs to be solved.
Vote Democratic in November to change this.
Al Franken is the only guy I listen to anymore on the radio…
People use the word “fact” with quotations around it to mean “purported fact”. Sometimes the quote marks don’t show up.
Not a thing to get exercised about in my opinion.
Rat dear - Christy’s advice is also my opinion. And make a point of spending your money elsewhere while on the trip - take your daughter for lunch or brunch to the Peabody hotel near disney where they have ducks swimming in the fountain and parading for example - fun for her, good meal for you and no $ to Disney.
I raised two kids and quickly recognized that making them “sacrifice” for my political stands just made them hate politics rather than “educated” them.
please dont feed the trolls — quoting the trollery in its ugly entirety is particularly dumb, dontcha think?
Thanks for all the thoughts, ideas, etc. Mucho appreciated. I will go, but I will wrap my mind around what to do while there! My daughter can have a great time, and I can still do something to make a statement. CHS, will definitely fill out a bunch of comment cards I’m already thinking about the T-shirt I need to create: Disney sucks, Disney lies, something short and to the point. Added bonus, my in-laws will have to walk around with us all day to spend time with their granddaughter. :)
I don’t believe this brazenly mendacious propaganda piece is going to do anything but show Bush Republicans to be the desperately unprincipled self-seekers the majority of Americans already believe they are. As far as the mid-term elections are concerned, this transparent creation of lies and denial of facts will motivate and mobilize Democrats, soft Republicans and Independents to vote Democratic in even greater numbers. The key to winning the mid-term elections is voter turnout. This movie’s purposefully treacherous rewriting of the historical facts leading up to 9/11 will cause principled Americans to vote for change. It will provide Democrats a “recent” tangible action they can point to that associates Republican candidates to Bush’s failures leading up to 9/11 by pointing out its malicious intent and calculated deceit. The deliberate and dishonorable use of a national tragedy that all Americans still remember and mourn, as partisan propaganda is a depravity Bush Republicans can’t deny. They have provided Democrats the means to defeat them. The truth.
rat bastahd @ 55
Oops sorry, I misread DisneyLand in there.
King’s Dominion near Richmond, VA is a fun place for young kids, if you are willing to change the venue of your vacation. TRex/Patrick would probably know of things in and around Georgia too.
*ilson46201 @ 76
Jesus, who would do such an idiotic thing?
whistles tunelessly, looks around
Christy,
Scoop New Zealand has a very clever modification of the PT911 poster up here:
Link to Scoop NZ
Might want to “borrow” it for a post here……?
*ilson -
Wait. Did you just call me a troll?
Thankyou Jesus General.
Jeff Gannon as “Huggy Bear”.
I wove it!
http://patriotboy.blogspot.com.....8264511137
this fictional film should be used to beat every republican running for re-election this fall as evidence of their and this administration’s “path away from accountability.”
it’s more of the same from this crew who didn’t take responsibilty for the response to katrina and who won’t responsibly discuss their failures in iraq. just this week, christie todd whitman blamed the 9/11 rescue workers for their own illnesses.
it’s always the same: blame someone else. [this time though, disney helped them make a $40million excuse.]
sorry, *ilson, you are right. thanks for cleaning that up…
No one in Hollywood will ever work voluntarily again with any of the people involved in this production.
Harvey Keitel might - just might -come out of this OK as long as he keeps broadcasting how upset he is, how hard he tried to change things, etc etc (though, of course, if he had REALLY wanted to change things he would have written to Clinton about it three months ago.) But as for the rest of them, well, they’re toast — can you imagine those interns or script assistants or whoever showing up at their next job interview and someone looks at their resume and it says “Path to 9/11″? Nope, sorry, position is filled.
the person whose comment I deleted knows who !
sneak blogging - Back you Rednecks, back !!!
rat bastahd -
’s okay to go under these circumstances - what you could do is wear a simple white t shirt that says
Honor The Truth
no mention of Disney, no logos, nothing that would get them to escort you out, but you’ll get lots of questions in line . . .
and let the in-laws buy the baby a souveneir if they want, she’s 6 years old at Disneyworld for goodness sakes
friggin’ bikers, don’t make me come in there !!!
have any of you seen the documentary “Mickey Mouse Monopoly: Disney, Childhood and Corporate Power“? it’s from the Media Education Foundation.
a small addition to the list of actions we can take wrt disney/abc… may i suggest buying a few of these dvds from to give and spread around?
here’s the summary:
Really? Outside of what I read on the internets I haven’t seen nor heard much of anything. I think, even if they play the POS, it will be a dud. The avg. tv-addicted America isn’t interested in a bunch of wonkish office talk. They will get bored real quick I bet and switch to football or something else, if they tune in at all.
seems the cheese does not stand alone, but may have an evil twin…
go read:
Matt Stoller
http://mydd.com/
Zenia Mucha was Eisner’s protege, not Iger’s. She came into Disney’s empire in 2001, recruited out of New York politics, where she had enormous power as advisor to a very detached Governor Pataki,
rwcole @ 74
I disagree with your premise. And until I get banned here I guess I’ll exercise my right to get exercised. Language matters.
Diplomats: Iran set to suspend nuke program
Two weeks huh? Hmmmmm… let’s see… it’s mid September… October… November… hmmmmmm.
– WELL, ELSEWHERE — SOME THREAD TOOK UP THE DATES THIS PRODUCTION AND CREW COME TOGETHER — ABOUT THE TIME MICHAEL MOORE’S’FARENHEIT 911′ WAS UP FORRELEASE AND LOOKING FORDISTRIBUTION. MAYBE MR. MOORE WOULD PUSH TO HAVE FARENHIET 9-11 RUN AGAIN, — JUST CLOSER TO THE NOVEMBER ELECTIONS ? THIS FAR OUT IN FRONT OF NOVEMBER IS NOT A OPPORTUNE TIME — MY VIEW. PEOPLE HAVE NO RETENTION, OR FOCUS, WE’RE TOLD. I MEAN PEOPLE NOT ON FDL — LOL. I SEE THE REMARKS THERE IS THIS AND THAT MISSED IN THE MOORE’S PRODUCT — NOT ON THE DISNEY SCALE, WE THINK ? WE HEAR BUTDON’T KNOW. SO, HOW CAN THIS’DUELINGVIEWS’EFFORT BE OVERLOOKED BY THE MSM ? — OH, LOOK, A BIG FIGHT HAS BROKEN OUT — between etc… IS THERE ANOTHER MAJORtelevisiongroup willing to up theirviewership running Moore’sproduct in the good for the goose, good for the gander fair and balanced, we’re all AMERICANS WHO LOST SO MUCH…STANCE ? // IS IT CALLED ONE UPMANSHIP better than this timing set by ROVE? // editors help needed here. THANKS.
*ilson46201 @ 86
I was referring to myself, last thread.
There’s a reason why they call it MOUSESCHWITZ
Prof @ 27
I’m wondering if maybe everybody’s holding off their lawsuits until after the anniversary of 9/11 has passed. There would no doubt be TheOtherWA @ 59
I’m thinking that they would rather wait until AFTER the 9/11 anniversary - Monday would be a bad day to be filing lawsuits, knowing how our media would cover it - maybe Tuesday?
*ilson46201 @ 60
Maybe they don’t want to give the $40,000,000 back. or Maybe thay have already spent it or *donated* it.
TheOtherWA @ 71
I was referring to the type of “hearings” John Conyers has held on the
“Downing Street Memo” or the Ohio Vote Fraud. Not official “hearings” obviously. And, I’m not stupid: I know the Democrats don’t control things in Congress.
Oh jeez, I’m laughing thru the tears…
John at Americablog
They didn’t even get Secretary of State Albright’s name right. Her first name is Madeleine, not Madeline. Geez. For $40 million could these guys have at least hired a copy editor? They don’t even get the smal