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	<title>Comments on: FDL Book Salon &#8212; On Becoming  Fearless, Week 1</title>
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		<title>By: transactivist</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/10/fdl-book-salon-on-becoming-fearless-week-1/#comment-289078</link>
		<dc:creator>transactivist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-289004&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Rayne @ 120 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Can you truly call these female right-wing shills sisters?  Can you truly embrace their older “siblings” like Phyllis Schlafly and Anita Bryant?  They’re not my sisters; quite the opposite.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My apologies; allow me to clarify:  when I said sisters, I meant ‘Sisters’, as in other Women Of Non-Traditional Origin, women of trans-experience, transwomen, etc.  Very emphatically not right-wing hacks like those you (and the article above) mentioned.  Sorry I was unclear.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-289004"><em>Rayne @ 120 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Can you truly call these female right-wing shills sisters?  Can you truly embrace their older “siblings” like Phyllis Schlafly and Anita Bryant?  They’re not my sisters; quite the opposite.</p>
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<p>My apologies; allow me to clarify:  when I said sisters, I meant ‘Sisters’, as in other Women Of Non-Traditional Origin, women of trans-experience, transwomen, etc.  Very emphatically not right-wing hacks like those you (and the article above) mentioned.  Sorry I was unclear.</p>
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		<title>By: Rayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;transactivist — you are still on the road, yet, aren’t you, having a ways to travel?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As a progressive, female by birth, I understand entirely the challenge that specific female right-wing shills present; they use their femininity to promote what is essentially self-hatred and propaganda at the same time.  It’s not unlike a number of gays who have supported the right on the matter of anti-gay marriage; it’s the self-hatred, not the gender that’s the issue.  In spreading propaganda that demotes their gender, they are little more than proxies for misogynist men that prop them up.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Can you truly call these female right-wing shills sisters?  Can you truly embrace their older “siblings” like Phyllis Schlafly and Anita Bryant?  They’re not my sisters; quite the opposite.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>transactivist — you are still on the road, yet, aren’t you, having a ways to travel?</p>
<p>As a progressive, female by birth, I understand entirely the challenge that specific female right-wing shills present; they use their femininity to promote what is essentially self-hatred and propaganda at the same time.  It’s not unlike a number of gays who have supported the right on the matter of anti-gay marriage; it’s the self-hatred, not the gender that’s the issue.  In spreading propaganda that demotes their gender, they are little more than proxies for misogynist men that prop them up.</p>
<p>Can you truly call these female right-wing shills sisters?  Can you truly embrace their older “siblings” like Phyllis Schlafly and Anita Bryant?  They’re not my sisters; quite the opposite.</p>
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		<title>By: transactivist</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/10/fdl-book-salon-on-becoming-fearless-week-1/#comment-288897</link>
		<dc:creator>transactivist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 13:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I, too, was mildly tweaked by Jane’s conflation of wingnut-shillery on the part of women being equated with insufficient femininity.  It is very much a cross that my sisters and I bear in our everyday lives.  Any woman who shows uncharacteristic strength is often immediately slandered as inadequately female.  This is a reinforcement of a restrictive binary, which I personally attempt to reject.  I am a strong, capable person, female-identified, of transgendered experience.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, too, was mildly tweaked by Jane’s conflation of wingnut-shillery on the part of women being equated with insufficient femininity.  It is very much a cross that my sisters and I bear in our everyday lives.  Any woman who shows uncharacteristic strength is often immediately slandered as inadequately female.  This is a reinforcement of a restrictive binary, which I personally attempt to reject.  I am a strong, capable person, female-identified, of transgendered experience.</p>
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		<title>By: cerebrocrat</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/10/fdl-book-salon-on-becoming-fearless-week-1/#comment-288740</link>
		<dc:creator>cerebrocrat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 06:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Damn, this is quite a thread.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Being a recovering Republican myself, and having had my epiphany roughly around the time Arianna apparently had hers, she’s been kind of a hero to me for a while.  Although I was vaguely aware of her back in her Christopher Huffington days, she really came on my radar during the Shadow Conventions leading up to the 2000 election.  Anybody remember those?  They seemed remarkable to me at the time and all the moreso now - it seems like she and the other Shadow Convention organizers were already trying to do what the netroots is slowly-but-surely doing now, without the benefit of the internet tools now available.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And I seriously love the accent.  Especially when I get to hear it kicking Matt Miller’s candy ass on Left, Right, and Center.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn, this is quite a thread.</p>
<p>Being a recovering Republican myself, and having had my epiphany roughly around the time Arianna apparently had hers, she’s been kind of a hero to me for a while.  Although I was vaguely aware of her back in her Christopher Huffington days, she really came on my radar during the Shadow Conventions leading up to the 2000 election.  Anybody remember those?  They seemed remarkable to me at the time and all the moreso now &#8211; it seems like she and the other Shadow Convention organizers were already trying to do what the netroots is slowly-but-surely doing now, without the benefit of the internet tools now available.</p>
<p>And I seriously love the accent.  Especially when I get to hear it kicking Matt Miller’s candy ass on Left, Right, and Center.</p>
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		<title>By: Valley Girl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Valley Girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 02:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;hey imm- luv ya.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey imm- luv ya.</p>
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		<title>By: immanentize</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/10/fdl-book-salon-on-becoming-fearless-week-1/#comment-288347</link>
		<dc:creator>immanentize</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 02:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Valley — I read that article and heard Barnes speak on NPR?  That story is just so perfect.  At so many different levels — not only the sexism, but also the smug self-importance that can only be bred by ignorance.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Valley — I read that article and heard Barnes speak on NPR?  That story is just so perfect.  At so many different levels — not only the sexism, but also the smug self-importance that can only be bred by ignorance.</p>
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		<title>By: Valley Girl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Valley Girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 02:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/12/AR2006071201883.html&quot;&gt;http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....01883.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;~~After he underwent a sex change nine years ago at the age of 42, Barres recalled, another scientist who was unaware of it was heard to say, “Ben Barres gave a great seminar today, but then his work is much better than his sister’s.” []&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“By far,” Barres wrote, “the main difference I have noticed is that people who don’t know I am transgendered treat me with much more respect” than when he was a woman. “I can even complete a whole sentence without being interrupted by a man.”~~~&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/12/AR2006071201883.html">http://www.washingtonpost.com/&#8230;..01883.html</a></p>
<p>~~After he underwent a sex change nine years ago at the age of 42, Barres recalled, another scientist who was unaware of it was heard to say, “Ben Barres gave a great seminar today, but then his work is much better than his sister’s.” []</p>
<p>“By far,” Barres wrote, “the main difference I have noticed is that people who don’t know I am transgendered treat me with much more respect” than when he was a woman. “I can even complete a whole sentence without being interrupted by a man.”~~~</p>
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		<title>By: Valley Girl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Valley Girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 02:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-288228&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;HotFlash @ 109&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt; This story in the WaPo was very interesting about perceptions of women vs men in the sciences.  Neurologist Ben, formerly Barbara, Barres’ experiences would seem to indicate that it’s the gender, not the patterns.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ha!  Found the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/12/AR2006071201883.html&quot;&gt;reference!&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;HotFlash- thanks much for mentioning that article.  I was going to get into all of that, but just didn’t have the energy, because the reality of that has been draining.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Turns out that I read the WaPo article when it first came out- in Maine for a much needed vacation.  Someone emailed me the link and I read it immediately- and almost cried.  I was feeling particularly beaten down at that point, and just a little crazy.  And then I read the article.  Geez, I thought, I am NOT MAKING UP THIS SHIT!  Ironic of course, that it suddenly became much more believeable to some I talked with, after a MAN said it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-288228"><em>HotFlash @ 109</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p> This story in the WaPo was very interesting about perceptions of women vs men in the sciences.  Neurologist Ben, formerly Barbara, Barres’ experiences would seem to indicate that it’s the gender, not the patterns.</p>
<p>Ha!  Found the <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/12/AR2006071201883.html">reference!</a></p>
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<p>HotFlash- thanks much for mentioning that article.  I was going to get into all of that, but just didn’t have the energy, because the reality of that has been draining.</p>
<p>Turns out that I read the WaPo article when it first came out- in Maine for a much needed vacation.  Someone emailed me the link and I read it immediately- and almost cried.  I was feeling particularly beaten down at that point, and just a little crazy.  And then I read the article.  Geez, I thought, I am NOT MAKING UP THIS SHIT!  Ironic of course, that it suddenly became much more believeable to some I talked with, after a MAN said it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake Langthorn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jake Langthorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 02:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jane,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I love reading Arianna, Taylor, Christie and you.  I love you exactly for your passion, your direct speech, your uncompromising sense of what is right and fair.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Don’t pull any punches on this man’s account.  I love you all because of them, not in spite of them.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Jake&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane,</p>
<p>I love reading Arianna, Taylor, Christie and you.  I love you exactly for your passion, your direct speech, your uncompromising sense of what is right and fair.</p>
<p>Don’t pull any punches on this man’s account.  I love you all because of them, not in spite of them.</p>
<p>Jake</p>
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		<title>By: masaccio</title>
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		<dc:creator>masaccio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 02:00:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I wonder if a part of the problem is the prevalence of social dominants in male hierarchies.  Sara Robinson defines this term &lt;a href=&quot;http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2006/08/cracks-in-wall-part-i-defining.html&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.  These are amoral people who will do whatever they need to do to obtain their desires.  To do this,they must objectify people, treating others as if they were playing pieces instead of autonomous actors whose goals are worthy of respect. Even men who themselves are not social dominants harbor some sneaking respect for these  people, which may help explain why they rise in hierarchies.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;American culture makes it easier to dismiss or objectify women.  Just take a look at the ads in the New York Times Magazine any Sunday. I think it is easier to objectify women than men.  One reason may be that there is a much lower social sanction for objectifying women.   Another possible reason is that men grow up being urged to resist bullies with physical force, and frequently do.  So, when they get older, they are ready to resist with violence, or at least a socially acceptable form of violence.  I know that when I think of some of the crap the current administration has done, I have to work to remind myself that politics is the replacement civilized people use instead of physical violence.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But these are just guesses at causes, and there is no real reason to think about causes.  We all have to change to deal with these people, men and women.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Lately I have been thinking that as a nation, we did not fight off these people, and because we didn’t, they are running things.  Who would believe that the flower child generation would be led by bullies when we got old?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if a part of the problem is the prevalence of social dominants in male hierarchies.  Sara Robinson defines this term <a href="http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2006/08/cracks-in-wall-part-i-defining.html">here</a>.  These are amoral people who will do whatever they need to do to obtain their desires.  To do this,they must objectify people, treating others as if they were playing pieces instead of autonomous actors whose goals are worthy of respect. Even men who themselves are not social dominants harbor some sneaking respect for these  people, which may help explain why they rise in hierarchies.</p>
<p>American culture makes it easier to dismiss or objectify women.  Just take a look at the ads in the New York Times Magazine any Sunday. I think it is easier to objectify women than men.  One reason may be that there is a much lower social sanction for objectifying women.   Another possible reason is that men grow up being urged to resist bullies with physical force, and frequently do.  So, when they get older, they are ready to resist with violence, or at least a socially acceptable form of violence.  I know that when I think of some of the crap the current administration has done, I have to work to remind myself that politics is the replacement civilized people use instead of physical violence.</p>
<p>But these are just guesses at causes, and there is no real reason to think about causes.  We all have to change to deal with these people, men and women.</p>
<p>Lately I have been thinking that as a nation, we did not fight off these people, and because we didn’t, they are running things.  Who would believe that the flower child generation would be led by bullies when we got old?</p>
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