
There are many reasons why I love my country, not the least of which the way that we all rallied around each other after the horror of 9/11 unfolded. It didn’t matter what your political viewpoint or perspective was – we were all Americans, in shock, in anger, in grief…together. That moment when the entire Congress stood together on the steps of the Capitol and sang "God Bless America," it was a spontaneous gesture that was heartfelt and warm and human.
And it was the best of who they could be in that moment, and during the days that followed, we saw a lot of Americans bringing out their best as well – taking food to the folks working at the towers and the Pentagon and in Pennsylvania, or just taking muffins down to the local fire department to say thanks. Or lining up to give blood in the hours that followed. Or loaning out a cell phone to someone else who needed to make a call in the long line to catch the train. So many little things.
I’ve spent probably far too much time this week browsing through photographs of the events from that day, and it tugs at my gut, still, to look at one of the FDNY guys picking through the rubble of the towers, hoping to find someone, somewhere alive. Or the terror on the faces of people running from the wreckage and the plume of smoke and debris, frozen forever in a shot that is haunting for the stark and abject fear on the faces in the photograph.
But what I remember most about that day, and the days that followed, was the devastating coverage of all of the parents and children and family and friends, terrified and searching, so frantically, so desperately, so achingly for lost loved ones. Hoping in your heart that they would find them through some miracle, but knowing in your gut that it was most likely not to be.
A good friend of mine has a significant other who is a paramedic in NYC. He was sent immediately to the area of the towers, with a number of other folks in his crew, to a hospital that was to be a staging ground for triage and then transport to other hospitals. They were expecting and preparing for large numbers of casualties. They sat there for hours, waiting…but never got the call to be able to pick up someone to save. Because there were so few that they could save. And all too soon, there were none at all.
I know someone who was giving a briefing at the Pentagon that day, but had the briefing room they were initially scheduled to meet in changed at the last minute. It disintegrated with the impact on the building, but the person I know was safely on the other side of the building. This person was kept alive by a room change, a twist of fate, and I am so grateful for that…but so many others were not so lucky that day.
All those firefighters and police officers and port authority officers and all the other first responders who went running into the buildings as people were streaming out of it…my heart just aches for their family and friends. I can remember sitting around with all the cops I worked with every day (at the time, I was a prosecutor), and how we were all in shock, knowing that it could have been any one of them because that is what they do. It’s who they are. And thank God for it. But how can any of them ever rush into a critical situation without having the Twin Towers flash through their minds now?
So much loss of so many honorable people…it is almost too much to bear when you really sit down to think about it. And yet, we move forward, and try to find a way to live up to the example that so many of those finest of Americans set for the rest of us. When I think of all those calls from people trapped in the towers to their loved ones…well, I would want to do the same thing, and I’m awfully glad they were able to speak with loved ones one last time, but it breaks my heart.
How do we best honor the memory of so many who lost their lives that day? How do we move this nation of ours forward, for the sake of all those children who lost their parents? What is the best of America, and how do we get there together? How do we advance the interests of our nation among the other nations of the world in the most effective, most productive manner for the long term — not simply for the most expedient or most confrontational in the moment?
One thought comes from John F. Kennedy:
"For, in the final analysis, our most basic common link is that we all inhabit this small planet. We all breathe the same air. We all cherish our children’s future. And we are all mortal."
We would do well to remember those words, and those of the rest of his speech, more frequently in the future. Another bit of wisdom comes from Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., from Strength to Love, whose words on the subject of keeping one’s heart open and on the importance of honesty seem especially timely this week:
Like an unchecked cancer, hate corrodes the personality and eats away its vital unity. Hate destroys a man’s sense of values and his objectivity. It causes him to describe the beautiful as ugly and the ugly as beautiful, and to confuse the true with the false and the false with the true.
Whatever the reasons are for the factually inaccurate mess of a miniseries that ABC still has on their schedule as of this morning getting produced, one thing is crystal clear to me: the families and friends of people who lost loved ones on 9/11 deserve better than what they have had to live through with this mess of film over the past week.
I do not know at what point decency and honesty were overridden by some partisan agenda and a need to lie for the people who pitched, wrote, produced and scheduled this fictional dreck, but it is wrong. It’s just, plain wrong to try and use the grief and love that people still feel for their lost ones as a manipulative tool for partisan advantage. And it isn’t just me saying this, there are a large number of conservatives who are just as disgusted — some things are just not right, no matter how you may try to gloss them over with marketing.
And this morning, I want to take a moment to say thank you to two former FBI agents who had the integrity to say no.
…One of the agents, Thomas E. Nicoletti, was hired by the producers of the mini-series in July 2005 to oversee its technical accuracy, but left after less than a month because of scenes he believed were misleading or just false.
“There were some of the scenes that were total fiction,” said Mr. Nicoletti, who served as a supervisory special agent and a member of the joint terrorism task force before retiring in 2003. “I told them unless they were changing this, I could not have my name associated with it.” …
Mr. Nicoletti said he asked the producers to make changes, but was rebuffed. “I’m well aware of what’s dramatic license and what’s historical inaccuracy,” Mr. Nicoletti said. “And this had a lot of historical inaccuracy.”
Dan Coleman, who retired from the F.B.I. in 2004, said he also was concerned when he read the script last summer after being approached by producers about being a technical advisor.
“They sent me the script, and I read it and told them they had to be kidding,” Mr. Coleman said. “I wanted my friends at the F.B.I. to still speak to me.”
Mr. Coleman said his concerns mainly dealt with the depiction of law enforcement officers, particularly John O’Neill, an F.B.I. counterterrorism expert who died in the attacks. “I’m Irish and I believe in ghosts,” he said. “I don’t want to be haunted.” He said he passed on the job.
That this sort of integrity stands out because it has become such a rare thing is regrettable. That ABC and the producers and writers of the abomination of a show dismissed the concerns of not one, but two career FBI agents who told them that the scenes they were putting into the miniseries were flat-out false is despicable. That they did so knowing that these men knew John O’Neill…well, crass doesn’t even begin to describe it.
That they are doing this by portraying real people dishonestly may be legally actionable — but it is, at the least, dishonorable and disgusting. The folks at Disney and ABC, and the producers and writers of the show have the right to say what they want under the First Amendment, but free speech also guarantees my right to call them liars if they tell lies. And, living in a free country as we do, it also gives several thousand of my closest friends and readers the ability to do so as well. To them, to their advertisers and to everyone we know.
I plan on watching anything but this movie if ABC shows it — and it is still on the schedule as of this morning. And I suggest that everyone do the same.
But beyond all of that, I thought we could all use some discussion about the things that are good in this nation of ours because, frankly, after the week we’ve had digging through the bits and pieces of this dreck of a miniseries, I have just about had it. And I thought you guys might be at that point as well.
What is it that makes you proud to be American? What is the best of our country — to what do you look for an example of honor and duty in our country? What sort of person is a patriot? What is your favorite quote or your favorite anecdote about some particular person in this nation of ours who has made a difference in living our lives for the better? How do we live up to the better angels of our nature? I don’t know about you guys, but I could use an angel about now.
Pull up a chair…
(This post is dedicated to the memory of Mary Lou Hague and Madeline Sweeney, who lost their lives on 9/11/01.)
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it might sound jingoistic but it just seems wrong that this PT911 film was not even filmed in the United States — to save some bucks, the producers went to Canada. What happened to Disney’s patriotism ?
I feel expoundage on Elizabeth Cady Stanton coming on.
Awesome post Christy. Trying to catch my breath.
*ilson — these days a vast amount of production is done in Canada, which doesn’t excuse not filming in NYC for this particular project — they have a huge location office and lots of experienced film folks in the NYC area — but filming in Canada is pretty much a standard these days for a lot of tv and film projects. (At least, that’s been true for folks that I know who have worked on science fiction shows over the last few years.)
Sorry you lost your friends, Christy. For me, our FDL community is one of the best parts of being ALIVE just now. And some of what’s best about America is that we have the ability to self-correct, if we have the will. And given the activities of this community this past week, I’d say we have the will….
Peace to Mary Lou Hague and Madeline Sweeney and to all.
All.
ccmask at 5 — thank you, this one took me a while. And a few tears as I worked on it last night and this morning. This is an issue that is near and dear to me for a number of reasons.
Would love to stick around but selise, KathrynMA, scarecrow, mcgee, austin and I are going to pull up a chair this morning at Fanuil Hall to listen to John Kerry who hopefully will display the passion to all of us that he did to Taylor in last night’s post.
We’ll let you know how it goes.
It is wrong on some level, many levels, to turn that pain into partisan advantage, but it was also inevitable. This is particularly so given our manichean leadership, who see the world as a titanic struggle between good (themselves) and evil (everyone else). What is most infuriating and saddening is that the line between good and evil that they draw does not run down any national border – simple jingoistic nationalism would be bad enough – but down multiple ideological borders. They like to chant “they hate us for our freedoms,” as actually examining the politics of terrorism raises too many inconvenient questions. But I would say that we are the ones who might ought to be saying that – the right hates us, on bad days, and is annoyed by us, on good days, because of our freedoms. They live in fear, they demand certainty, they feel comforted by rigid rules and a clearly defined hierarchy. We stand for a more subtle, complex, and fluid world. And that strikes at all of their comfort zones. And so here we are, yelling at each other as hard as we can. I don’t know how to fix it.
Nothing like a great Saturday morning Redd read with my cuppa Kona. Excellent and thought-provoking.
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Also good is Joe Conason’s ‘The Sept. 11 that never was’;
http://www.salon.com/opinion/c…..print.html
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Cool, grey, wet dreary weather today. Time to make a big pot of chili with a helping of the 3 Cs, chocolate, coffee, cinnamon and a nice glob of peanut butter.
Um, I’m behind on pop music, so could someone please tell me who this singer is? She looks so much like my mom would have at that age, it takes my breath away.
throwmydog at 12 — thanks, but if you could see how tired I am this morning — after staying up late shampooing our carpet last night — you would NOT want to be me. Thank goodness for coffee…
An Angry Old Broad, I read your comment on the last thread, and I think you have some very good points about the south.
moeman at 13 — sounds like you go with the Cincinnati chili method? *g*
Peaner butter in chili? Well I nevah . . .
I was in lower Manhattan on the morning of 911, and while I had normally taken the PATH train from NJ into the World Trade Center station, on that day, I had gotten off at 14th Street instead. It was a beautiful, sunny sky day. I remember the day like it was yesterday. Anyway, like you, I remember both feeling many moments of grief and despair, but yet also feeling really comforted by how it felt like we were all in this together. For a short while, all the ultimately petty divisions in this country were set aside. Unfortunately, while we were distracted, we allowed those in charge to govern based on a combination of ideology, vested interests, and raw emotion, rather than through reason and common sense.
messing with 9/11 will have consequences,I hope.Americans rt or lft have an un -spun memory of this day,you cant dumb-down 9/11.For ABC to try is a crime.
May ABC never live this down, any more than BushCo at large does.
btw, ThinkProgress has compiled links to video clips at C&L and blog posts and articles elsewhere of conservative pundits and commentators denouncing the film.
For me, bagpipes will always be playing in the background when I reminisce down the path of 9/11.
My brothers were both New York City Firemen. Every weekend for 6 months their wives, with them or without them, attended memorials in Long Island, Queens, Brooklyn and The Bronx. The FDNY Bagpipers attended every memorial. I cry every time I hear the bagpipers.
From the FDNY Pipes & Drum website:
In September 1961, the F.D.N.Y. Emerald Society sent out their October meeting notices with a question asking, “Why the Fire Emeralds hadn’t started their own bagpipe band?”Their Fire Department uniform, along with an official FDNY badge, embossed with a green shamrock in the middle and pinned on a navy blue beret, was their first full dress.
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This Band of Brothers Honored Every Hero-FDNY Pipes and Drums Has Played at Over 300 Hero Services
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September 12, 2002 — The wailing skirls of bagpipes sounding a mournful farewell to fallen firefighters are among the Bravests’ most hallowed traditions. And since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on New York, the 70 members of the FDNY Emerald Society Pipes and Drums Band – most of them active firefighters – have played at more than 300 funerals and memorial services for the 343 colleagues lost at the Twin Towers. “In the early weeks following the tragedy, often after working grueling hours at Ground Zero, they covered the more than 15 daily scheduled services,” said former First Deputy Fire Commissioner Michael Regan, who nominated the band for The Post’s Liberty Community Medal.
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From Amazon:
Bagpipe Brothers: The FDNY Band’s True Story of Tragedy, Mourning, And Recovery (Paperback)
After the 9/11 World Trade Center terrorist attacks, New York City’s Emerald Society Bagpipe Band of firefighter-musicians took out their instruments and prepared to bury their dead––343 brothers in duty and in blood. Many firefighters alternated between playing their instruments at funerals and digging for the missing in the rubble of Ground Zero. The Irish American tradition of funeral bagpiping became the sound of mourning for an entire nation. Bagpipe Brothers tells the unforgettable story of four firefighters in the band, whose stories illustrate the grief and recovery that the nation experienced in the aftermath of the terrorist attacks. The bagpipe band lost one of its own, a beloved drummer, and also saw the respected brother of a member killed. Their stories include searching for the dead, struggling to bring peace to their families and themselves, coping with the endless round of funerals, and rethinking the meaning of faith. It is a moving experience to see this group of very strong men deal with unimaginable grief.
You can order the book here: http://www.amazon.com/Bagpipe-…..45?ie=UTF8
lotus at 14 — It’s Sarah McLaughlin. This is one of my favorites of hers — it’s an early one of hers, from a film soundtrack that Ed Burns did called The Brothers McMullen.
oh sweet jesus Christy, ya got me crying my eyes out at 8 in the morning – what a beautiful , moving post
it may have been the one year anniversary, but will always remember some citizen journalist video of New Yorker after New Yorker with their signs and pictures . . .followed by shots of an empty triage center (the Armory?)and ending their piece with footage from Ground Zero the morning of 9/12 where amidst all the rubble . . . dozens of personal locator alarms used by now lost first responders going off . . .heartbreaking
ccmask — amen. A piped version of Amazing Grace pulls my heart more than just about anything else.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 17
Christy , yes I have heard it called that but I got the ingredient(s) hook whilst visiting South America. The cook/chef at a Venezualan resto shared his culinary connaissance with me (a decade or so ago). I’ve always enjoyed seeking permission to visit a restaurant’s kitchen and personally thank the person that prepared my meal. When granted that luxury I like to ask for a few tips. Most chefs are very accomodating.
One of the best tips I ever got was how to make candied roasted garlic. Too easy. Lightly roast garlic (in their skins) in a medium heat pan/skillet. Remove skins and put cooled garlic in a small jar of good balsamic vinegar. Be patient, wait a few weeks and as they say in the resto biz ‘enjoy’.
Good Monring All -
Great post Christy. I started crying and freaked out my kidlets. Oops. All is well now. Both candidates I campaigned for won this past Tuesday and before I could say Bob’s your uncle I found myself agreeing to be a precint boss for the Demcratic Party. Have enjoyed calling Scholastic all week. Have enjoyed to posts here about the action againt ABC/Disney et al.
Tomorrow my eldest turns 11. I will be forever grateful that the family gathered for her 6th birthday as it pulled my nephew and my husband back from NYC where they were doing business. We had the best birthday party and when we woke up the world had changed.
I will neither watch the film or watch the preznit. I will liight candles and pray.
I always take pride in voting, and when called, jury duty. As a citizen in a democracy I don’t think it’s too much to ask to fufill the duties that allow me to live free, enjoy saftey, and prosperty.
It’s not a perfect system here, but as human beings neither are we. Our system is based on we the people, not absolute power granted to a few. And with that, comes the flaws that comes with being human.
I know my personal growth has to do with recognizing the rough edges that I have, and it’s up to me to do something to smooth them out. Our people powered system is the same in that in order to make it grow, active participation by a spectrum of people who have a stake in life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is needed.
On 9/11 I was working about 20 blocks north of the World Trade Towers, and my husband was working a few blocks east of them.
For the vast majority of New Yorkers, much of the day was bound up in simply trying to get home. Subways were shut down. Trains were shut down. Vehicular traffic into and out of the city was prohibited. Literally millions of people made their way home on foot.
I felt three emotions that day: shock, horror…and pride. We were all marching home — calmly, resolutely. There weren’t riots. There wasn’t looting. At St. Vincent’s Hospital, the queue of blood donors wrapped around the block ran four hours long.
One of my co-workers was among the throngs crossing the Brooklyn Bridge. On the other side she found a group of Hassidim passing out bottled water to everyone coming off the bridge.
Another co-worker, making his way up the west side, passed a shoe shop whose owner stood on the sidewalk offering a free pair of sneakers to every woman he saw walking in high heels.
Yet another colleague who was on an interminably long line for the ferry service over to New Jersey described how a woman next to him fainted — and how everyone rushed her up front and onto the ferry, with no bickering or complaint.
Two days later, when the buses began running again in Manhattan, what struck me was how polite, how grateful everyone was to the bus driver. Every single person who got on or got off made a point of thanking the driver for being there, for doing his job, for getting us where we needed to go. Every single person.
I was so proud of my city. The perseverance was so…American. I’m still proud of us. And I’m still hopeful in these dark days of theworst president ever, that we American citizens will find our way home again, just as millions of us New Yorkers did on that terrible day five years ago.
For Christy:
“Amazing Grace, how sweet the sound,
That saved a wretch like me….
I once was lost but now am found,
Was blind, but now, I see.
T’was Grace that taught…
my heart to fear.
And Grace, my fears relieved.
How precious did that Grace appear…
the hour I first believed.
Through many dangers, toils and snares…
we have already come.
T’was Grace that brought us safe thus far…
and Grace will lead us home.
The Lord has promised good to me…
His word my hope secures.
He will my shield and portion be…
as long as life endures.
When we’ve been here ten thousand years…
bright shining as the sun.
We’ve no less days to sing God’s praise…
then when we’ve first begun.
“Amazing Grace, how sweet the sound,
That saved a wretch like me….
I once was lost but now am found,
Was blind, but now, I see. (end)
did anyone catch Jersey Girl Kirsten Breitweister (sp?) on Larry King last night ? was wondering if she had any comments on ABC
Thank you Christy for the reminder that grief is a universal experience. Whatever the cause of the grief and the resulting struggle, there are many others who struggle with the same worries, fears, and heartache. I, however, don’t have to worry about some fools running a T.V. movie about my grief and lying about it to boot.
Thanks, Christy. All I can say is, Sarah McLaughlin is the young Mattye Greene Brook reincarnate (only a tad taller and more alto — oh, and with longer fingers). Beautiful women, Ms. McLaughlin and my mom, but only one got the Voice.
In a crisis the most valuable people are those who help you get through the ordinary details of life, just by being present and doing the small things. There were many heroes on 9/11, but anyone who stepped into the life of a family that lost someone and helped them mow the lawn, cook the meals, get the kids to school, etc. are heroes to me. They kept the world moving when it stopped for so many people.
Many of the airlines were forced to land in Canada and other locations that were not prepared to receive such a large number of passengers. The local families and organizations that cooked, provided clothing, and supported those passengers were also heroes.
I was also moved when Bush addressed the nation from Congress and Tony Blair showed up in the chamber as a show of support to our country. It completely choked me up then, and it still does now. It is a disgrace how Bush exploited that support and how Blair is now paying the ultimate price.
It has been an amazing week and I have watched the Disney debacle unfold with horror. The question I have been pondering – what is it about Bill Clinton that brings out such hatred in certain Republicans? It seems as if there is no boundary to it at all, no line that can’t be crossed. Pathetic and puzzling.
I for one am not the least bit patriotic. I find the notion of patriotism and nationalism approaching racism. It is the American exceptionalism rubbish that is pushed on us and everyone else in the world.
American has a lot of very good things.. and has a lot of very bad things. Although we should not take the good for granted, we have too much wrong to be doing this feel good stuff.
We live in a racist society that STILL treats blacks and other people of color as lesser beings than the illy white.
We are a nation founded by rich white men who wrote the laws to favor property ownership. This notion that you are not really “there” if you don’t own property (the American dream) is truly repugnant and drives the greed and pursuit of wealth that is so ugly here. Private property, fences… no trespassing and so on.
We have a rising up of religious fundamentalism here which in many ways is like what we see as so untenable in the Taliban… oppression of women for one thing and the repudiation of science for another. Faith is forcing people to become irrational and abandon the ability to make REAL sense out of the world… in favor of fairy tales.
We also live in a nation which devotes almost half of its resources (treasure) to a military establishment which has been used to start wars around the world. We are the only nation to drop nukes and incinerate hundreds of thousands of innocent people.
Our security establishment… the same CIA that Larry Johnson works for.. and the same FBI that Nicoletti and Coleman work for use extraordinary rendition and torture.
We have over 2.5MM people in prison and we regularly execute people and in the most barbaric manner.. and many Americans believe in the death penalty. In fact as many do as believe that abortion is murder and that woman have no rights to their own bodies. THAT IS CLOSE TO HALF THE AMERICANS
All the above is not to dismiss the many good things this nation has accomplished and the many many wonderful and creative people who have flourished here. By the way most of the great people in America are artists and creative people.
But don’t forget that American has given the world the idea of planned obselesance (sp?) where we are expected to buy things which turn to garbage and pollution to “fuel the economy”. Americans lead the way in spoiling and polluting the environment and all in the name of “corporate” interests and the “economy”.
Thomas Jefferson who was one of the founding fathers of this nation, not only kept slaves and never freed them, but was married to one and concealed it. A great man, but a hypocrite never the less.
America IS on the decline…. (thanks for that). Our “experiment” in democracy has not panned out and is taking the world down with it because what is has down is provide a cover for unfettered free market capitalism and greed.
As these neocon fools try to create a new American century, they are paving the way for the final collapse.. and it won’t come too soon. Our form of democracy has been proved incapable of serving the needs of the vast majority of the people, but remarkably successful at creating an elite aristocracy.
We didn’t learn from the gilded age obviously and so hopefully our hubris will see lead to the end and something new can be created which is not so damn toxic.
Sadly the new and better world will not come from slow evolutionary change.. and with so much power in the military controlled by the elite it won’t come from a new American revolution. It may come from a collapse of the economy run on debt and credit and perception and slights of hand.. when the house of cards collapses. But it can surely come from catastrophe… which our corporations and our energy loving (and abusing) lifestyle has created.
It may be a comet but it may be the global warming thing which makes America collapse. How many Katrinas will it take to destroy America? 9.11 was nothing compared to Katrina and nothing compared to what mother nature out of balance will deliver. What is amazing is that we are the ones who are tipping the balance and perhaps sealing our own… and the rest of the world’s fate with us.
Thanks American.. you great industrial powerhouse…. bringing good things to life… hahahhaa
George Washington at Valley Forge PA.
Rosa Parks in Montgomery, Alabama.
Hugh Thompson, Jr. at My Lai, Vietnam.
I have to tell you christy….
yes, you are right, while digging through the history and discovery of the fascists involved with this assault on the memories of that horrible day for their own evil agenda, I have felt pretty depressed from time to time. I am not sleeping well at all, and the fact that 911 is looming takes me back emotionaly to a very mixed bag of fear, rage, helplessnes, sorrow, and despair. The more I dig, the more I feel a little hopeless to be able to affect a change…
But then the day before yesterday, I started seeing reports on the various MSM outlets about the groundswell of opposition to this. I saw Keith Olberman lead his show with it. I see Judd from Think Progress appearing as a pundit to explain what is going on. Suddenly, I was inspired. I felt like what we are and have been doing, really is making a difference. I am convinced that it is our concerted action through the netroots, that is responsible for the former members of the administration, as well as our current representatives in the House and the Senate speaking out…..
WE DID THAT!
And that inspires me. That gives me a little belief in my country, because I know that I am not alone in the feelings of injustice that I have. I am uplifted seeing results of our pushing. It gives me faith.
So I will leave you with this from the man himself:
Thanks for your powerful post Christy. When I read your words, the feelings I had on that day and the days that followed came back to me—the deep sadness and feeling of loss, the anger at those who would so randomly kill innocents, the admiration I felt for the courage of the first responders; the feeling of hope I had on seeing republican & democratic congress people on the Capitol steps unite in singing God Bless America.
Now, five years later, I struggle to find what makes me proud of America—I think you, Jane, all the other FDL posters and commenters, as well as those on other blogs like Taylor Marsh’s, Crooks & Liars, Think Progress, BradBlog, Conyers Blog, etc., etc—are part of what make me feel hope for the future of America. I feel that the people of the netroots have picked up the ball that the corporate media dropped so long ago. You’ve been a powerful force for telling the truth, for working for change and for prodding the American conscience. You’ve informed people that there are others out there who are courageous and willing to slog through the muck to change things for the better. Thank you.
Believe it or not, I was an Irish Step dancer in my early teens. I was from an Italian family and my neighbors across the street (Patti & Colleen), were Irish. We used to compete in Irish Feises throughout the state of NY. We would all don our green pleated skits, white blouse with a green tie at the neck and our Green Velvet Blazers. EWe’s dance the jig, the three hand reel, etc. My sister played the drums and Colleen played the bagpipes. Every Saturday you could hear Colleen warming up the pipes throughout the whole neighborhood. She was so bad in the beginning that her warming up began the closing of the windows.
Anyway, me and my sister were really forced into it by my mother. Every Saturday morning, after tap dance practice, we would have to come home and lay the piece of plywood on the basement floor and practice the “steps of the day” for 2 hours. My mother would yell down, “I don’t hear those taps…!” and my sister would be sitting on the floor with er shoes on her hands banding the wood. We would laugh for hours!
…confessions of a Irish tap dancer. Also, every year we would head into the city to my dad’s firehouse, to see Santa and slide down the pole. It was a great childhood. The firemen picnics were the best. Food everywhere and games for the kids with prizes!
Most firemen are very handy. One is good and painting and another is great at drywall, while others excel at roofing. Once a month or so, we would load up into the car and go to a firemen’s house to fix it. All the men would bring their tools and the women had the covered dishes. What a great bunch of Men!
Theron @ 11
well said.
p.s., love your blog (history is my fav. thing)
I have a friend who is a NY cop who worked in the rubble of the WTC. He relates how he and all the others worked tirelessly in the rubble, trying to locate anyone who might still be alive. He worked for 48 hours straight, taking in the enormosity of that tragedy. After 48 hours, this brave good cop went over, sat on a curb and sobbed. The thing that had happened, of which he was in the midst, was so horrendous, of a magnitude that was unthinkable and unbearable. After breaking down and sobbing uncontrollably, after a while he pulled himself back together and went back to work in the rubble, still hoping to save lives. He will never forget that day.
His own brother, who was also working there, was affected mentally by that day and will never be the same. His brother police officers and the other workers there that day have had breathing and multiple other problems which they continue to have five years later.
He often comments that after 5 years, our country is not any safer. And certainly not any better.
Beautiful Christy. I felt the emotion of that day all over again. I remembered seeing a firefighter carrying a little boy in his arms who clearly was in shock and the pain and sadness that I felt then came back full force. How dare ABC bastardize those events. I’m struck with fear as well, that ABC still has that mess of a film on their schedule. Its as though the far right can do whatever they want, even after thousands of Americans object and the film proving to be false, they still go ahead with it. Like, give it a few weeks and it will all be forgotten. We can’t let it go – if they run this lying film, we must hold them accountable over and over again. We need to let their sponsors know that with a simple click of the mouse we can influence our email buddies and they can influence their email buddies and so on and so on. We have to fight back.
Little spot of clean-up needed at the end of the last thread.
Everyone is missing the BIG PICTURE:
http://churchcommittee.blogspo…..t-911.html
Mocha Dem @
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It’s all they have, IMO. It’s too bad that Clinton has the Lewinsky thing hanging over him; without it The Rethugs wouldn’t have anything to hold over him. In spite of that, he represents what their man doesn’t – a good President.
I read your post three times before realizing why I was uncomfortable with it. Speaking for myself, I hate George Bush with a deep passion. I am not a hateful person, but I hate George Bush.
I didn’t know anyone who died on 9/11, so it was with some surprise that I found myself crying on the first anniversary. Just driving back home from some errand, with tears streaming down my face. The one thing that was clear was that I was at one with them in my weeping; it’s about as close as I’ve come to experiencing that oneness.
As I think about that day, I think about the shock. Being so far away, yet wondering if we were next. But the shock, the absolute shock of taking what had happened, was significant. And the strength and kindness that mrsmarks writes about was so prevalent everywhere. How did we go from that to the utter hatred and division we all feel now? One word: BushCo. As Wolcott writes, I wonder what we might have become had we had a leader who simply portrayed Osama bin Laden as a lonely terrorist in a cave, rather than ascribing him all this power? Isolate him as an aberration instead of vaunting him into a major world leader of epic proportion, instilling ever-present fear in every American home…..
I will not watch the endless crass pimping of this solemn day. I will not watch this President stumble and slur his way through yet another lazy thought. I will be still and remember the terrible sadness and the great goof we all witnessed back then.
Christy –
Good morning – as we await ABC’s decision whether to proceed with broadcasting Path to 9/11, I wanted to quote Section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code, for reasons that will become apparent shortly:
In comments I posted on at least one of yesterday’s threads, I thought that the provisions of Internal Revenue Code Section 501(d), which mentions the tax-exempt status of religious and apostolic associations, might apply to Youth with a Mission. Looking more closely at section 501(c)(3), I can see how its provisions might apply to Youth with a Mission.
What remains to be seen is whether Youth with a Mission’s involvement with the production and/or dissemination of Path to 9/11 constitutes, however indirect or tangential the organization’s involvement might be, carrying on propaganda (or otherwise attempting) to influence legislation (except as otherwise provided in subsection (h)), and/or constitutes participating in or intervening in (including the publishing or distributing of statements) any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for public office, to paraphrase an excerpt from section 501(c)(3).
I think all Americans will remember where they were, & who they were with on 911. I was at work, at that time I was working near GSP INTL airport in S.C. The sky was beautiful here, most us walked to and from a TV with shock & disbelief.It was unbearable. A guy I worked with was pro Bush I voted Gore, but that day we crying together as Americans. My favorite comfort song is ” Calling all Angels” it is from the sound tract, Pay It Forward. I can not listen and not feel my angles all around me. I also will not watch ABC Sunday, Monday etc.Too bad it has some good shows. (1 Southern Belle)who NEVER LIKED BUSH.People call us a red state, but my blood has always been BLUE.
OT, wonder if it’ll be hunting season on NBC this coming Sunday morn;
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3898804/
“For the first time in 3 years, the Vice President of the United States returns to “Meet the Press.”"
MochaDem: You are right about the Canadians and how they came together for the people on wayward planes that day. These are the stories ABC should have done to reflect the 911 experience instead of becoming politically more involved than they have been the last 5 years.
9/11 makes me mad.
And thinking of great americans does make me go read Elizabeth Cady Stanton speeches.
Judd,
Do you hate him so much that in 2013 you will launch a plan to infiltrate American classrooms with lies and distortions, using a docudrama to support your hatred?
I’m sorry for the OT. I went to bed with Late Night buzzing around in my head, and had to complete the thought.
I was at work when the planes hit the towers. I had just walked into the chairman’s office when the tv was turned on, and remember my manager turning up her radio. I glanced up at the tv in time to see the second plane hit. My brother in law is a NY Fireman, and it almost brought me to my knees, knowing that he would be in the first-responders.
Those firemen are indeed some of America’s finest people. They are united by bonds of brotherhood, respect and love for each other that gives them the strength and purpose to do what needs to be done.
I see the signs of that bond here, and I need to express the admiration I have for you, Christy and you, Jane for your leadership in uniting us and giving us a voice. Without you, I would still be mumbling under my breath (*g*) and not being sure that I wasn’t just being paranoid or of what I should be doing. So, thank you.
I read Sara Robinson’s series at Orcinus after the John Dean thread, and it is excellent. The mistake we all made was not paying attention when the high social dominant group of republicans took over the party, and another group began the process of taking over other institutions in this country, as happened with the Southern Baptists, or establishing their own institutions and endowing them with some kind of weird legitimacy, like the Discovery Institute.
As Mrs. Robinson points out in this post, the social dominants have no moral sense at all. There is literally nothing they won’t do to satisfy their own needs or desires, whatever they might be.
We should have been paying attention when they were taking over, and fought them then. I feel guilty because, as Mrs. Robinson points out here, living in a democracy makes it easy to assume that we are ok, and we can enjoy our lives. It takes constant effort, she says, to keep these people out of power.
Now we have to get rid of these people, and it is like getting ticks off. It hurts and you don’t always get the whole thing so you have scars. It will take a lot of energy, and yes, money, to do this.
The best part of this country is our ability to reinvent ourselves. Christy reinvented a prosecutor as a rabble rouser. Jane reinvented a movie producer as a hell-raiser. Judging by the comments, many of the posters here are reinventing themselves too. That is the best part of our country and ourselves.
The Republicans hate Clinton for the very same reason Bush hated Saddam: Clinton beat Bush 1.
I was living in Tokyo at the time and felt emotionally distanced/detached from the day. Still do to an extent, partly because the country I left in early 2000 isn’t the same place I came back to in 2003.
Don’t watch the show but do tune in your local ABC affiliate today and Sunday. Make a note of the local advertisers and start calling them Monday.
My father once told me that it is easy do to the right thing in a crisis,
the measure of a person is what they do throughout their entire lives.
DefJef @ 35
When you visit the National Archives document display which tells the story of how the country was born, you come away with the feeling there was a little more to it than favoring property ownership. When you read the King’s proclamation that these white men were now fugitives and there was a price on their heads, you really get the impact of what they were up to and what they had unleashed.
I’m not sure I would have given up my comfortable lifestyle and risked hanging so I could write a few new laws on property ownership.
The only person in America who didn’t stop doing what he was doing that morning: the nonelected nonpresident.
Distracted, I didn’t have a chance to edit my last comment. I meant to say,
I will be still and remember the terrible sadness and the great good we all witnessed back then.
I was so proud of my city. The perseverance was so…American. I’m still proud of us. And I’m still hopeful in these dark days of the�worst president ever, that we American citizens will find our way home again, just as millions of us New Yorkers did on that terrible day five years ago.
This is a beautiful post. It says it all.
I was home that day, just waking up, and I heard the impact of the planes but didn’t think much of it. Then my family called from California and told me to turn on the tv. But all I had to do was look out the window, where I saw the plume of black smoke coming from the towers. Then the first building fell and the cloud of debris exploded south, right into my Brooklyn apartment. I had to close my windows on that otherwise cloudless day. The next morning I lined up with hundreds of my neighbors at the local hospital, where we all gave blood. That whole week the cloud hung in the air and it was hard to breathe. The fires smoldered well into October. The toxic smell lasted for months.
But we went back to our ordinary lives, and the city kept going. That’s what bothers me about the national response to 9/11. We’re made of stronger stuff as a nation, and this administration has brought out the worst in us rather than the best. We shouldn’t cower because a couple of hundred/thousand extremists want to harm us. They can’t possibly prevail. Our country is in no real danger from them, The danger comes from us, from giving up our freedoms and civil rights and the powerful protections built into our constitution.
That’s the real threat to America.
Mocha Dem @
54
No. Rather I’m doing everything in my power to lessen his power this midterm election and eliminate it in ‘08, all the while fighting to hold him and his accountable.
Maybe that’s what maked me different than the Repugnants. I am channeling my hate into a fight for change.
Sharkbabe @ 61
That is such an important point. Stark, and true.
Adversity doesn’t build character, it reveals it
“I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy. My sons ought to study mathematics and philosophy, geography, natural history, naval architecture, navigation, commerce and agriculture in order to give their children a right to study painting, poetry, music, architecture, statuary, tapestry, and porcelain.”
- John Adams
In many ways, America has come far. In many ways, not so far. We should be well into the poetry and music phase, but we have not reached that promised land.
Patriots fulfill the particulars of Dr. King’s “promissory note” until we are all “free at last”.
I am particularly proud of this on-line community fighting the good fight. I think it no exaggeration to say the progressive Internet movement is the most effective group of patriots in the country today.
throwmydogintothelakebecausehe’sonfire @ 71
and now I bet you think that if only Iran can be “democratized” so many many problems can be resolved?
I was awaiting “throwmydog” to strike with neo-con tomfoolery. I recall his Email address being used by a troll …
throwmydogintothelakebecausehe’sonfire @ 70
Saddam provided a balance of power in the region. He provided a firewall against Iranian hegemony. We had him in a box and he was a toothless tiger with respect to threatening the region. Kocking off Saddam and leaving a power vacuum is the biggest geopolitical strategic blunder in U.S. history.
Bar none.
DefJef at 36, I agree with most of what you say, but I don’t share your sense of resignation about it. Perhaps it’s a fool’s errand, but I prefer to live my life trying to improve and reshape the direction of my accidental country of birth.
Thanks Christy and everyone and good morning.
On that day, I remember walking thru the parking lot and thinking what a gorgeous top ten day it was. The sky was so blue and clear and the air so crisp!
Joy.
I was in my office and one of my staff ran in and said that a plane had hit the WTC. I went to a teevee and saw the second plane hit… I saw that my staff had all the teevees on in every room and I gently reminded them that our patients came first– breakfasts, baths and meds had to be given. All the patients were weaker than we were and some were not able to handle the coverage. The staff were amazing as we ramped up into emergency mode because of our proximity to NYC. They were so hopeful amid their fears and only wanted to help and take care of people and each other. Around 1 am, it became devastatingly clear that nobody was coming and that fact, too, made sleep impossible that nite. Our CEO never showed his face that day– instead he stayed in his office and read newspapers; a cold man who only berated the senior staff the next day for “overreacting”. A G.W. Bushbot. I was quaking inside the whole time because I had friends in NYC and family at the Pentagon. All of us and the staff and patients responded to calm and reasoned leadership and the comfort we found in doing our work together.
I remember that when I got home that night to my intact home with the news that my family was ok, that only then did one of the first thoughts that had occurred to me that morning come back: there will be vengeance sought by this administration and it’s going to be very ugly.
And here we are. The horror of that day is still with us and the wonder that we can be as a nation is here too.
I am still hoping and working to restore the wonderfulness of the people and of this country, along with all of you here at the lake.
ccmask, what wonderful memories!
Christie, one of my cousins in Oklahoma City is an ICU nurse. She was on duty the day of the Murrah building bombing, and they moved patients out to prepare for mass casualties. They never got them. So few survived.
Christy – I love to come here and take a moment in the morning but today you are breaking my heart
my brother is FDNY – was at the site – 7 seconds saved his life and the truck he rolled under
then he was at the recovery – now he is sick and too many doors are shut for him because they won’t say for sure its connected
friends and family members were in the buildings too- and my heart feels like a bruised peach today
but in their honor and memory – no more lies
quoting another great one – “All I want is the truth – just give me the truth” John Lennon
thanks again for everything
throwmydogintothelakebecausehe’sonfire says
September 9th, 2006 at 7:01 am*
The Iraqi’s did not “elect” Saddam. We, the U.S., put him in power as a counterweight to Iran, after the Iranians overthrew our puppet there, the Shah.
Sharkbabe @ 61
Sharkbabe, so good to see you here, where’ve you been?
I am also not a person who thrives on hatred. But I find myself in the position of hating Bush. When I think about how oppressive it feels to live under these lawbreakers, how manipulated I feel every single day by the words and actions of these propgandists, how utterly ashamed I feel by their immoral policies and actions – I try to think about the day when all of that horrible hatred I feel inside of me is lifted. When our long national nightmare will be over. When we will again be free of this mushroom cloud of dogma and deceit. Think about it. We must have big parades planned for that day. Whenever it comes, we must really joyously celebrate that day. Because it will truly, truly be a day of liberation.
throwmydogintothelakebecausehe’sonfire,
Worst. President. Ever.
I am a shape-shifting troll who uses multiple aliases to stir up shit …
Jane Hamsher is the bravest, gentlest, kindest human being I ever hope to meet ! Christy is pretty cool too!
brooklyn @ 65
Brooklyn — You’re absolutely right. And I remember thinking that day, during the three hours it took for my husband and I to walk home: We’ve already won. They probably thought we were going to fall apart, tear up our streets, rend our clothes, overturn cars, smash windows. But we’re not. We’re. Walking. Home.
meta @
82
Meta, thanks for more eloquently painting how I feel. I’m guessing the Independance Day parade will be all the more satisfying knowing we played a role, however small, in making it happen.
throw at 85 — oh man — that one should have come with a spew warning…bwahahahahahaha!
hit F5 to notice ‘throwmydog’ has changed his tune …
Christie, et al. –
This brings back so much. I was temping at the National Academy of Sciences, staffing a meeting for the Board of Material Science and Engineering. We were expecting people from around the country. Needless to say things went very wrong, very quickly. Those who did make it into DC quickly huddled around the TVs and monitors, and talked about the inevitablity of what was to come. My partner worked five blocks from the White House; the Academy’s offices are in the shadow of the Naval Observatory. I remember going across the street to Starbucks and ordering a coffee, asking if they had any bourbon to add with gallows humour. The plume of black smoke from the Pentagon was stark contrast to the beauty of the day. My best friend was moving to Manhattan that day; a dear friend was in DC for a conference. And as I walked home, I joined a throng of people evacuating downtown Washington up Connecticut Avenue. I felt numb, but I had to do something. I wrote this:
It’s been a rough five years. We’ve gone down the wrong path as a country, and we have much to do to get back to where we were.
throwmydogintothelakebecausehe’sonfire @ 84
Moderator, thanks for stepping in.
FWIW Photo of Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam in 1983
*ilson, you da Man. Big lovely slice of cyber chocolate cake to you!
OT-but curious. I can’t keep up with all the comments lately…
Anyone seen Zen Nurse? Is her computer still on the fritz? Know she usually works the weekend shifts, but am missing her presence, and hoping she’s well.
A thousand-plus miles south of New York and Washington, I had CNBC on that morning. Some bond guy was yakking when they cut away to a newshelo’s view of the smoking hole in Building 2. Some talk of a Cessna or something small smacking into it (remember, just a few days before, that para-glider guy had buzzed the Statue of Liberty, trying to land on her head?).
With the fire looking worse, they began switching to MSNBC reporters on the ground nearby. I remember Ashleigh Banfield (whom I’d never seen before) struggling for enough self-control to speak. Back to an aerial shot of the WTC, cutting to another angle just as a big jet appeared where it had no business being . . .
“That’s it,” said Mark Haines, as the camera cut back just after the second impact. “It’s terrorism.”
Could not hold what I was seeing. Could not form a thought except “How is he able to make sense and keep talking?” Even as first one, then the other building collapsed, Mark Haines kept his head. I had to focus on the excellence of his work for awhile, because the focus of it was too much to tolerate.
That’s still my major impression of those first 90 minutes or so — the job Mark Haines was doing to hold it together and report. Gradually, especially after the Pentagon hit, I was able to move again and click around the channels, and make and take a few calls.
I know everyone in lower Manhattan that morning, or beloved of anyone in lower Manhattan that morning, has probably had to deal with some PTSD. But I think the millions of us who saw it real-time onscreen also have.
Thanks to BushCo, actually, most of the world has by now. We need an intervention and some good therapy. And we’re also the very ones to provide same.
Well done, FDL and its allies. The job we’re doing now is as good, and even more important than, the job Mark Haines did on that morning five years ago.
Christy, thank you for a beautiful post.
This, in my opinion, is how we should be marking this anniversary, with remembrances and emotions – not with made-for-TV movies and other ratings-driven “specials” that are more about the bottom line than anything else.
Like a lot of people, I was at work, in downtown Baltimore, a mere 40 miles from DC. My husband was in Philadelphia, at a business conference; one of my kids was in school, the other at work. I was at my desk, with the radio on, when I heard the first report. I walked down to my department head’s office, and he had just turned on the TV he keeps there, and together, we saw the second plane hit the tower. As I thought of the people on those planes and those in the buildings, I also was thinking, “I don’t want to be here, I want to be home with my family.”
More people joined us in front of the TV, as we started making calls to family. When the plane hit the Pentagon, I stood in that office, two walls of which were nothing but window, and felt a fear and anxiety like I had never felt before.
I could not reach my husband. There were conflicting reports about whether school was closing or not. I could not reach my daughter at work. I got in the car and started for home. Several routes out of the city were blocked by the re-routing of traffic away from City Hall and police headquarters. I spent two hours stuck in gridlock trying to get out of the immediate downtown area, conscious of our own WTC building, the federal courthouse, and wondering what I would do and where I would go if something were to happen.
It was strangely the most polite and well-mannered traffic jam I had ever been in. People in cars and trucks were intent on the news coming out of their radios. Everyone looked afraid.
It was another hour before I made it home, and both kids got home shortly after I did. I finally heard from my husband, who had been unaware that anything was going on until someone came to the meeting room. He said he knew before the man opened his mouth that something was horribly wrong, as he had tears streaming down his face. He tried to call me, but the cell phone traffic was so huge that nothing was getting through.
We sat in shock and watched the coverage, and wondered what would happen next. I kept wondering, “where are our leaders?” and felt a sick dread that this was happening on the watch of someone I regarded as not even being capable of being president of the local PTA.
I kept thinking about the families. As the days went by, I ached every time they would show the walls of posters and flyers with people’s names and faces on them, and the anguish on the faces of those with loved ones in those buildings or on the planes. I could not imagine the grief, the fear, the horror they must be feeling. I could not bring myself to contemplate the last moments of any of those people – it was too hard.
We did come together as a nation, and it was the finest moment of the entire event. It makes me sick when I think about how quickly the administration broke away from this unity of feeling and purpose and turned their attention toward their own agenda.
The events of the last week have given me some hope that there is a growing sense of unity and purpose that recognizes that the people in charge have taken us too far down a dangerous and ugly path that is taking us away from so much that we have held dear for so long.
Too many people have died to satisfy someone else’s ego. There is honor and dignity in doing the job your government sent you to do, and nothing can take that away, but there is no honor and no dignity in sending men and women into harm’s way, to ask them to make the ultimate sacrifice, for reasons that have little to do with service to our nation and too much to do with service to the accrual of someone else’s power. Power that is not serving anyone well, here or on the battlefield.
Hugs to all. Peace to all. Strength to carry on this most important fight.
I was googling around for info on YWAM and ran across this. Scroll down about 1/3 of the way to the paragraph that has “Spiritual Warfare” in bold type.
http://www.rickross.com/refere…..outh6.html
Here’s the excerpt:
Further information surfaced concerning YWAM in the book “Spiritual Warfare” written by Sarah Diamond published in 1989. It seems that YWAM has sought political influence. Specifically, active participation in the so-called “Anatole Fellowship” later reorganized as the “Christian Public Policy Council”. Ron Boehme of YWAM was an executive committee member in 1985. The group sought “to gain influence within the Republican Party” and later in a 1987 meeting discussed “electrical strategies” with “South Africa, Nicaragua and El Salvador (page 130)”.
Further political involvement is evident through a meeting (June 1982) with an aide to Rios Montt, former dictator of Guatemala and a small group of so-called “Christian Right” leaders. This group included Loren Cunningham, head of YWAM. Montt was a leader in Gospel Outreach’s Guatemalan Verbo Church. Gospel Outreach is based in California. Rios Montt traveled extensively throughout the United States on a speaking tour put together by leadership of the “Christian Right” (pages 164-167). The regime of General Rios Montt (1982-83) was later accused and exposed for its crimes of genocide and crimes against humanity. One complaint filed by survivors states that more than 1,000 people were murdered in 11 village massacres between March and December of 1982 within Guatemala.
On that day….
I telecommute for a publishing company located in the Flatiron Building in New York. On that morning, I got a call from one of my colleagues — could I please turn on CNN and tell them what the hell was going on at the World Trade Center? They could see smoke out the conference room windows.
I turned on CNN, and relayed the news, over the phone, that there was a fire in one of the towers. There were stories that a small plane had collided. We kept talking as the fire got bigger, and the tv news was telling me more and more — not a small plane, a big plane. And then Oh MY GOD they could see the second plane coming in and hitting and the fireball exploding. A moment later, CNN was talking about it, a moment after that I could see on TV what I had “seen” in my mind.
We stayed on the phone, my colleagues watching live out the window, me watching on tv, getting more and more distressed, until the moment when the first tower started to fall. We all screamed, and I mean literally, and then the phones went dead. The long-distance relays for lower Manhattan were in the WTC.
I had watched the WTC being built — I lived in New York in those years. My husband and I celebrated our engagement at Windows On The World, and had our first anniversary dinner there. I knew how many people were in, should have been in, those buildings….as I saw them fall, I was sure that I had just seen 20,000 people die.
Later, we joked: no one gets to work on time. They didn’t figure on that.
I had many friends caught in the collapse; I am so fortunate that none of them were killed. What I remember most about the aftermath is how we used the internet to find people, to keep in touch. Though the long distance lines were out for weeks, the local lines worked. Dial up to the net, get on AIM, or a web site, and check in. My far-flung community of friends made sure that we knew where everyone was, and that everyone was safe.
And this is the best memorial I know of:
110 Stories, by John M. Ford
Great post, Christy.
The vast hole in my heart caused by 9/11 has been filled with contempt for the Bush Administration and the Republican Party in general. Dr. King’s words you cite provide a cautionary tale, and I continually check my opposition through logical self-examination on their outrage of the week, even without knowing the quote you cite.
Spock, on Star Trek was my original hero as a small child.
Director Defends Accuracy of Path to 9/11: ‘We Have Our CIA Consultants and Clinton Has His’
feed ye not the trolls — whenever ‘throwmydog’ appears, I quickly pitch it into the burning fiery furnace to delete it…
I started to read the comment thread, but can’t. I can’t even look at that beautiful pictureanymore (and it is quite beautiful)
9-11 is still too real, to immediate, for me.
Most of my friends were in law enforcement. For soem reason a very large percentiage of my childhood and High School friends became firefighters.
I lost so many people on that day.
And, but for a series of miracles would have lost most of my family that day–and for a while thought I did.
Two out of three of my sisters were on planes that day. We did not hear from either of them for over 36 hours. We thought the worst. That was when you could not get a straight answer about aything from anyone.
My husband had a 9 AM meeting at theh NASD, which was on the upper floors, that morning, but got stuck in traffic and never made it into the City.
One of my brother’s in law would normally have been on the flight from Boston to California; he took that plane every other week, but because his wedding with my sister that summer had fouled up his work schedule, he switched his reservation.
Another brother in law was in the building. He walked out. He then walked uptown to 78th street to his parents home. When his mother opened the door, he was covered head to toe in white ash. It never dawned on him to take a bus, or a subway or evena taxi. He just walked for hours.
That brother in law, quit being a finacial analyst, took a hige pay cut and is now an FBI agent.
Had it not been for all those miracles, every child in my extended family would now be missing one or both parents.
Just think about that.
I knew about Al Quaeda for 5 or 6 years before this happened. When the towers were hit, it was the first thing I thought of.
In the movie the “10 Commandments” when they depict the Angel of Death comming to kill the first born children of Egypt, the director used a ground fog mist as the visual metaphor.
For days, weeks, the cloud hung in the air, got into the smell of freshly laundered sheets, into the carpeting in my house, into the drapes. I live east of the sight and there was no wind for some days so the cloud came by slowly and lingered.
It was like the evil fog of death swirling in the movie about Biblical plagues.
Last weekend a childhood friend of mine, a firefighter was over, he is still fighting with the City over his health. They won’t put him on disabilty, cause they say he is healthy, but they won’t let him fight fires, cause they say he is not healthy.
This is the guy who taught me how to rugby tackle and drive a stick shift car.He is huge bull of a man. Befere 9-11, I don’t think he was sick a day in his life. He now has severe asthma attacks and all kinds of other health problems, but he can’t even get the government to concur in a diagnosis, despite the fact that every doctor,a nd he has seen many, all agree.
My “freshman brother” from HS, died in the Towers. He was a FDNY Lt.I just got an invite to a golf outing my HS is having in his honor.
For the entire month of September in 2001, almost every day, I mailed off a mass card as I learned of another friend lost.
I’m going get out of this thread, or I will speand the whole day crying.
Frankly, whether they are accurate or not, I don’t think anyone, not that Flight 93 movie, not Michael Moore, not anyone, should be making movies about this.
News reports, yes. Entertainment of any kind. Not yet. Not for a long time to come.
On 9/11 I was in the process voting with my wife, every one stopped and went outside when we were told a plane had hit the towers. Then the second plane hit, we stood watched the towers burn and fall thinking of all those who might be inside. A few days later we walked over to the burning dusty hole, almost no one was wearing, mask’s, not cops, firemen or steel workers and dust was blowing around everywhere two or three stories high. We considered getting something to eat and then decided to leave the area as our eyes had already begun burning from the dust. Yesterday I met a man who has become very sick from that dust and thinks there was a very dangerous cocktail of heavy metals such as pulverized electrical transformers. There is a lot of people who have and will have health problems related to 9/11 and it is rarely mentioned that this extends to the general NYC. population not only city workers. The towers burned and stunk a unforgettable putrid smell for many weeks after 9/11 which affected miles around the site, we often had dustings at our warehouse out in Queens. Even after passing time I am not ready to view any sort of 9/11 drama and a lying one makes me even further discouraged in our culture, I thought it wasn’t possible. Thanks FDL and readers for your ABC Disney front.
Redd, thank you.
Beautifully written piece.
Christy, thank you for such a beautiful post that took me right back, to the most moving sight of the long lines of people that formed here in Munich to sign condolence books that had been set up on the main square, and the candlelight vigils that were held. If only we could have bottled those deep, sincere feelings of sympathy.
DefJef @ 6:28, our weaknesses as a culture are easy to point out and real. But one thing that we do have and that is not found in too many countries is the belief that cultural diversity is a strength, not a weakness.
Sure, there are right wingers who don’t agree with that, but for the average American, it is a given.
Here in Germany, it’s rare to hear someone say that diversity in and of itself is a good thing. In the immigration / “foreigner” debate, the assumption is that cultural diversity weakens a society.
Politicians here who favor immigration try to appeal to people by telling them that we desperately need more immigrants so there will be more money for social security, since the birth rate is so low.
They don’t grasp that cultural diversity is a benefit in and of itself.
Did the story about Padua’s solution to the challenges of integrating immigrants hit the US media? They’re building a wall around them! That was on German news a few weeks ago. And that gives you an idea about where the debate on the subject is here in Europe.
So, when you find yourself getting really angry over the discussion of immigration and minority groups in the US, just keep in mind that in Germany, even the Greens would seem conservative in an American discussion on the subject.
Beth#93
“Later, we joked: no one gets to work on time. They didn’t figure on that.”
Gotta love NYC, we had the same joke.
http://www.september11victims……sp?ID=1742
Terry was at Windows on the World that morning. He called his wife three times. He had young children.
We grew up together, across the street from each other. Played kickball, wiffleball. Discovered Led Zeppelin. As young kids we even saw the movie The Towering Inferno together. Shot of fireworks together for 4th of July, rode a school bus together.
There were hundreds of us at his funeral. There were no remains. It was months after the 9/11 attack.
He was at the top of the tower, and could not get down. They were cut off.
Other friends of mine from the home neighborhood did fire and rescue shifts. One did weeks of 12 hour shifts at ground zero rescue and recovery, a fireman.
My mom at the time was working in a federal building across the river in Brooklyn. I remember how it was being unable to get through to her that morning to see if she was okay. I remember getting through to my father who also could not reach her.
I remember seeing the smoke plume above the Pentagon from my condo balcony window that morning. I remember actually thinking I could get to my client engagement in Bethesda that day, getting in the car to try to get there, only to take hours to get back home since my path took me, you guessed it, toward the Pentagon.
Another kid from the home neighborhood, and a friend of Terry’s, was on site at the Pentagon as an Arlington County police captain, handlig emergency situations there. There were other people I knew who were killed, but Terry is the one I knew best, though our lives had moved apart in adulthood. Still, you’re always connected to the people you share the first 16 years or so of your life with, rather closely. He had been a rather nervous but good kid, and had grown to be a good man. I can’t imagine what it was like for him those last few minutes. He was probably incinerated alive.
Bush and the Republicans used Terry as a political prop for their own purposes to gather power and wealth. These are craven, corrupt, deadly people. And now Disney has taken sides with them. The establishment media have been in the tank for Bush form the get, and now we have rather dramatic confirmation of it for all to see. It’s ugly, but the tide is turning: more people are aware.
I won’t forget. Remember 9/11? Hell yes I remember 9/11. But not in the way you want me to, Mr. Iger. This is personal. And it’s not going away.
Christy Hardin Smith @
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hi folks, my first time on morning fdl. great p[ost christy, as usual, and i too had a few tears this morning. if you liked that sara song check out this one “world on fire” and you’ll fill a soup bowl with tears and then get up and fight for a better world. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzoNInZ2ClQ
Amen, lhp.
“Matt” is the troll with a different name …. dont feed, please.
Matt is already gone
Op99 @ 72
I am not resigned to simply not doing anything although I largely believe it is like pissing into the wind.
My own brother in law is an Italian leftist who publishes his own news letter and continues to struggle in his own small way.. but also agress with my assessment.
We should all do the right thing, but my point was that we need to stop feeling that this country is god’s gift to the planet. In fact it is not and in many ways.. some noted in my comment, that we are as a nation… a disaster… a “failed experiment”.
We need to stop the mem that we are so damned blessed and great and moral and ethical and blah blah blah. As a nation WE ARE NONE OF THOSE THINGS.
That makes one of us. I spent 12/8/2000 (Gore v Bush) to 9/10/2001 feeling like the world was heading for disaster and a bunch of incompetent ideologues were in charge.
My first reaction was shock. Then I bought a TV, and from that point on my reaction was outrage at the maudlin media coverage, the jingoism, and the fawning over George “Bin Laden Determined to Attack US” Bush’s so-called leadership and eloquence – when he was so clearly incompetent, inarticulate, and running around the country like a scared squirrel.
I remember people who were, and still are, blase about the loss of human life and limb around the world from US direct actions (and US inaction) getting hysterical about the loss of life on US soil. After the first WTC bombing in 1993 and Tim McVeigh, why was this a surprise to anybody? So many bitchslaps needed, and only my two hands.
I remember all sorts of names being used for anyone like me who didn’t approve of War and anything else the Dear Leader decided was best. I remember the Democrats caving to the demagoguery like a house of cards. In short, despite the heroism of a few thousand Hilary-booing police and firemen (I don’t like her either, but that was a bit unbecoming of heroes who were “uniting” the country), I don’t think I have ever witnessed such cowardice on such a massive scale in my lifetime. And it’s just got worse since then.
I’ll be proud of my country when it does something worth being proud of again. In case you’re wondering what it would take to make it up to me, America: I’m imagining all the Rethugs and half the Dems in blindfolds torn from the Supremes’ black robes – and catering by RJReynolds.
Pfifferling @
99
Great comment. Thanks, I had no idea.
whatever happened to the city wall Padua built in 1283? didn’t maintain the infrastructure? typical city bureaucrats!
Pfifferling @ 99
Only some of america celebrates diversity.
In fact there are many who are separatists and racists.
We have groups like the Aryan Nation and the KKK and they are alive and well and propering.
Even so called “moral” religions are racist, homophobic and mysogynistic…
QTVR #1 – TRIBUTE IN LIGHT to honor victims of 9/11 – 2001
QTVR #2 – TRIBUTE IN LIGHT to honor victims of 9/11 – 2001
-The Sidewalk at 9:45
At 8:45 the sidewalk is freshly washed
And swept with sun
There is no money manager’s body
Akimbo from the 800-foot leap
At 8:45 a candy wrapper skitters
Between the feet of actuaries and accountants
There are no gobs of flaming jet-fuel
Incinerating the insurance underwriter
At 8:45 a cleaning woman walks out of the building
Onto the sidewalk for the last time
There is no mountain of rubble
Blocking the door
At 8:45 it is a beautiful morning
With a cloudless sky
There is no thunderous shuddering
No swirling dust to hide the sun
At 8:45 no one is saying
“Oh my God – Oh my God”
Tom Prescott
� 2005
DefJef @ 107
Absolutely.
That remains to be seen. If citizens cannot correct the depredations the right wing has wrought on this country through the apparatus set forth by the constitution of our democratic republic, you will be right. But I’m trying my damnedest to correct the trajectory.
I’ve been buried in project work and was just going to stop by to say hi to fellow Firepups on my way out. I’m afraid I can’t even begin to describe what I feel about Christy’s post other than to say that if I see nothing else about 9/11, I’ll still feel as though I’ve made my spiritual pilgramage to the place where we all were during those times. It was the second where-were-you-when moment of my life.
I’ve been reading myself to sleep (sic) with Ultimate Sacrifice, the definitive work on the JFK assasination (and my first where-were-you-when moment). I’m only 140 pages in, but one conclusion stands out for today:
JFK knew he was going to be hit.
He knew that attemps would be made on his life in Chicago, where he cancelled his motorcade, in Tampa and then in Dallas within a span of a couple of weeks. He went to Tampa and to Dallas anyway. He even stood up in the open limo during the Tampa motorcade.
It’s often said that courage is setting fear aside to do what needs to be done. Let’s all get in practice, because we’re our own JFKs and FDNYs now.
Here’s a better write up on my childhood friend:
http://cf.newsday.com/911/victimsearch.cfm?id=3009
Thank you, Christy, for all of the above. For the past few years I have been coming to this site and others partly for the comfort of knowing that I was not alone in how I felt about what direction we as a nation have been going since the attack. Before I had posted rarely and used a pseudonym but recently this has changed.
I also knew some of those that were lost that day, including my wife Lisa K. Ehrlich. At one time we both worked in the south tower, and I had left less than a year before the attack. I remember the crystal clear day, from stopping off to vote on the way into the city to cloud outside our windows only a few blocks from the WTC. I remember her telling me about the collision with the north tower, and her message on my machine that she was going back to her desk because they said tower 2 was safe. It was the first time I had ever argued with a police officer after they came into our building to tell us to evacuate because, as a former building manager, how dangerous the dust was. When we did leave we had set up “kits” made of bags with drinks and coffee-filter/rubber band masks for what little protection it could give us. On the Brooklyn Bridge there were the people handing off cell phones to one another so that they could call come and tell their families they at least were safe. I remember the scene on the Brooklyn side where postal worker and college students were setting up drink and wash-off stations for us. And the hotel across from the courthouse opening its doors and facilities to us as well. In the following few days I remember the amazing outpouring of emotion at Union Square and the volunteers from around the country that drove day and night to come and lend any assistance they could. Truly we saw the worst of humanity more than matched by best.
You also asked when the attack began to be used by people without the best of intentions. The date was September 22nd. On that night, at the same time family member like myself were watching the mayor tell us of an agreement regarding the issuance of death certificates, our Congress was passing a piece of legislation giving $15 Billion to the airline industry and covering up for the industries failures to provide the level of security the FAA mandated. Shortly after that the attack was misused to create farm-subsidies and political attacks against people like Max Cleland. Conservative attacks against the families began a few months after the attack simply because we were looking for answers and accountability. This too, I am sorry to say, I remember.
Christy,
Your post took me several hours to digest. Your words were strong yet very eloquent.
On 9/11/01, my cousin went to work at the Pentagon, as usual. She left a birthday gift for her daughter on the kitchen table. During the confusion of the day, the gift remained unopened. The daughter wanted to wait until her mother came home.
She never did.
It was well after Christmas that family and psychologists were able to convince her to open the gift.
It was aremembrance from the trip they had taken to Disneyland before school began.
To me, it is both ironic and horrific that the company that produced the last thing gift given to the daughter is the same company that wants to spin her mother’s death for political purposes.
I will not and cannot watch this travesty. I hope that others will and report who the advertisers were, so I can boycott some of their products.
a note posted on the Employees Heads Up board last night -
“9/10/06 & 9/11/06 -
The televisions are to remain on news channels and football games only ! Should one of your guests ask that the channel be changed to the ABC 9/11 drama, please get a Manager – the Manager will then explain to the guest that our ______ family has found it to be exploitive, reckless with the facts and therefore distasteful and disrespectful to those we lost”
have an FDL day – catch y’all later
Space Shuttle Atlantis scheduled to launch in 10 minutes and counting…
I’m going to try to put in some links here about the Padua story. Let’s see if I can do this right!
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/a…..07208.html
A personal story from D.C. on 9/11…..it’s called: Thanks for the Fear
and check out the cartoons to boot………
http://scoop.epluribusmedia.or…..32213/2534
and then I read yesterday about The Disbelievers – 9/11 Conspiracy in WaPo…and still no uproar……..why the hell not?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01669.html
I think the above one to the Times worked. Yeah! Here’s another:http://www.guardian.co.uk/else…..33,00.html
Jonathan Ehrlich, my deepest sorrow and condolences for your loss. Thank you for your presence at the Lake.
On my last trip to NYC, I walked across the Brooklyn Bridge with one of my dearest friends. We talked about everything that happened on that bridge that day, and again on the night of the subsequent blackout, the sense of community. It was an amazing walk, one that I will never forget.
DefJef @7:55. I wouldn’t disagree with you! But they don’t represent the average American.
EPU’d from last thread:
klangfarben says:
September 8th, 2006 at 10:18 pm
Ah, ‘Albuquerque’ (quotes intentional) – my father went there a few times on business. Also to ‘Las Vegas’, the place miles and miles north of the Strip. (Yes, we did know the actual places, but we called it by the nearest place on the map. Security drill of a sort.)
Last Saturday night Garrison Keillor was broadcasting A Prairie Home Companion from the Minnesota State Fair. At the end he asked the audience to stand up and join in singing the National Anthem. Many of my friends and colleagues refuse to sing the anthem, or say the Pledge of Allegiance, any longer. I understand their reluctance, but if progressives give up these symbols it becomes harder to argue that they symbolize anything progressive. And, if you really think of the last line of the Star Spangled Banner as a question, it is a very fine question to ask about the last five years.
John C (#107):
I’m in Dresden and have been on the German scene regularly for the past twleve years. I guess I hear from a different crowd than Pfifferling. I know a lot of people here who recognize and appreciate diversity. No, Germany is not like the U.S., nor is, very much, any other country. Germany has it’s problems, but Germans, by and large, also seem sensitive to and aware of other countries and cultures. More so than many other places in the world. It was surprising to me to find out some years ago that more Americans have German ancestors than from any
other country. Full disclosure: My forebearers are Dutch, Welsh, Scotch and French.
Part of the reason I was posting under a different name was the strange reactions I would get during the first year after the attack. Either I would be attacked by trolls or I would find that all conversation would end once folks knew who I was. At times,when I would visit a website for fellow widows and widowers, I would have to resort to email to respond to an person just to avoid these reactions.
I love the people and the land of this country. I don’t love the social order, the dominant values of this culture. I don’t love the domination paradigm that rules this country and inflicts violence on the least powerful here and around the world. The continued wounding of the American soul by Disney/ABC and its right wing haters is just one more piece of aggression that will bounce back on its perpetrators. Our greatest hope is that the American empire and its policies are coming to naught. In that collapse we can learn to be a real country again, ironically in the words of GWB in the election of 2000, a country that can can have humility towards others, towards itself, and towards its own citizens, the American workers, who have been marginalized and abandoned.
I had an article published in the Seattle PI earlier this week about my experiences at Ground Zero, being in a war zone for a couple of hours.
I was able to weave in our experiences of closeness afterwards and the alternative stories our nation had the potential to write after that day. So far we’ve taken the more violent, less secure path of creating war and division but we can still change that path.
Space Shuttle Atlantis is up and flying . . .
Thanks fahrender at 8:14 am.
Christy,
I’m sorry but you lost me here with your first paragraph:
There are many reasons why I love my country, not the least of which the way that we all rallied around each other after the horror of 9/11 unfolded. It didn’t matter what your political viewpoint or perspective was – we were all Americans, in shock, in anger, in grief…together. That moment when the entire Congress stood together on the steps of the Capitol and sang “God Bless America,” it was a spontaneous gesture that was heartfelt and warm and human.
I’ve admired your writing for some time, but even Homer nods, as they’ve said for some time now. And this paragraph is total sentimental bullshit, dangerously false and indicative of a point missed diametrically. You retrospect through a roseate filter here.
I, for one, don’t recall being particularly “shocked” by the events of 9/11. I suspect there were thousands and perhaps millions of Americans like myself, who, with a sober view of history and human nature, saw 9/11 coming for a long, long time. (And guess what folks, it’s coming again — all the more surely because it so throughly deranged us the first time.)
It certainly did matter what your political perspective was in the immediate, aftermath. If you had any perspective on George Bush, you knew that, as unprincipled incompetent, he was going to bungle the response disastrously. And if you had the nerve to say so, in the immediate aftermath, you were very likely to be assaulted by one of the many American fools so very desperate to believe otherwise. If you had any perspective your grief and anger was compounded by the way “all Americans together” seemed (if you believed the corporate media) to have lost their minds at once, pronouncing W’s hideous cowardice and banal blather heroic and Churchillian. And if you had some perspective you were appalled by the way the American motto became and remains, “When in danger, or in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout.”
Some of us were not fooled into this entirely counterfeit mitzein. I recall e-mailing my family, a continent away, on the night of 9/11, “Now the treasury will be looted, the Constitution will be used for toilet paper, and atrocities will be committed in our name.”
I am no clairvoyant. I’m sure there must have been many others(again, millions?)who understood just how gravely Al Quaeda had compromised the great experiment of the founding fathers, who saw what was best about America go up in that smoke, irretrievably.
Proof positive, I felt at the time, was “that moment” which you so celebrate, “when the entire Congress stood on the Capitol Steps and sang ‘God Bless America’”. Christy, don’t you know anything about Washington? A gesture less spontaneous, warm and human than this has scarcely been perpetrated in the brothels of Subic Bay. Moreover, even if it were spontaneous and heartfelt, that doesn’t make it appropriate. (A massed “Sieg Heil” was often spontaneous and heartfelt.)
As a student of history, and a veteran of several gothic Catholic schools, I am acutely aware that God’s sole political function has been to license atrocity. He was being called upon to renew this function at that moment. And as far as the Bushites are concerned he has conferred upon “all Americans” the divine right to do ‘whatever it takes’ to preserve His blessings. This Congressional gesture, in response to a quintessentially “faith based” atrocity, was the exact psychological equivalent of General Boykin’s claim that “my God was bigger than his,” and you can be certain that it was understood as such by millions of Moslem zealots. So, now we have regressed to the mindset of the “Crusade” our President so lovingly invoked. And you find this a cause for heartwarmed celebration?
I confess it moved me to poetry, but in another vein:
Upon Seeing Congress Sing
God Bless America on the Capitol Steps
To have reproved at this late age
that humankind is fools and knaves,
consumed with patriotic rage,
and duped by thieves with flags to wave,
resigns me more to my own death
and leads me tempted toward despair,
now love of war is shibboleth,
and freedom’s forced to kneel in prayer.
Christy, go back and read your Tom Paine, and think about what America once meant.
*ilson46201 @
3
*ilson, OJS and I covered this territory on the Not-tell-a-lie thread, but I’d like to recap if I may:
1.) Coz they couldn’t get NYC to look enough like Morocco?
2.) Ladies! Gentlemen! When production companies film in Canada they pay union wages. All our facilities are union houses, our crews are IATSE and our talent is ACTRA. We also have a nifty White House on the back lot in Kleinberg, just north of Toronto and just for filming. I hear it is hard to film in the real thing. Our rental rates may be lower, but I doubt it, we have the third highest cost of living of any city on earth last I looked (after Tokyo and Geneva). The Cdn dollar is 90 cents on the US dollar so a few $ can be saved here. But not many. I have been told that the big issue filming in NYC and other US cities is *security* and *insurance*.
3.) *ilson, much of the studio work and most post production is done in the US (usually LA), but a *lot* of exterior, location and second unit shooting is done in furrin lands, often because they *are*, um, furrin.
4.) Yeah, it does sound a little jingoistic, which I can understand, but mainly uninformed. I *hate* it when US-ians say our health care doesn’t work or we are ‘cheap’ labour. Minimum wage here in Ontario is 7.75 as of this past Feb, goes to 8.00 next Feb. What next? Throwing babies out of incubators? I ask you!
5.) *ilson, I give you this video from the shoot in Toronto. Abt 1/4 of the way in a voice starts calling “wilson”
Disclaimer: I was born in USA, a Torontian for 40 yrs. I’m a dual citizen but I’m a Gemini so I can handle it! Back to catching up on this thread…
The president has just announced his desire to become a Clusterfuck sandwich- wedging hiself speaking in the middle of the ABC miniseries. Funny as hell. Clusterfuck still thinks non-goopers listen to him- welcome to the real world Clusterfuck- yer history.
I will admit that I am ashamed of our actions since 9/11. Actions that cause heartbreak, horror and death to so many. I don’t fly or display our flag anymore. I scream in rage that the media will not display the death and destruction on television– we are “spared” so much and why? No flag-draped coffins, no pictures or video of the mangled and dead. Only sanitized versions when some soul with a conscience comes forth and shows us the horror of Abu Ghraib and even then the minders try like hell to cover it up. Oh, but it is more than ok to show the murdered sons of Saddam and the corpse of Zarqawi. We cannot smell the death or see the death or touch it and it does make lots of Americans blase. Our practices of imperialism and colonialism will not serve us or save us. We must understand why things happen and not cower in fear or rejoice in gratitude that we have not been hit again. We have to understand the rage we are creating by our actions. Walk a mile in someone else’s shoes, and understand that our leaders do not necessarily do all things for altruistic reasons. If there is a lesson to be learned from 9/11– this is it, imho. To me it seems that we are having the most difficult time with “globalization” and when I hear our leaders proclaim that oceans no longer protect us as a rallying cry to make us fear some more, I think about how maybe we have finally joined the rest of the world and it is a good thing. Our actions/inactions have consequences and we must face them.
Deepest condolences Jonathan Ehrlich.
I’m going outside with my camera to see if I can get a shot of the shuttle…
Jonathan, I must confess that I was fairly unaware of the details of how the families of those lost were actually being treated by our government. Ann Coulter raised that spectre and then I recently read a piece by a widow aimed at Coulter that was incredibly powerful in its detail of the way the New Jersey widows have been treated. It pains me so much, I can hardly bear it.
I come here for solace, for comfort, to know that I am not alone. But most of all, I come here to gather with people who help each other take action, who inspire me and provide the information and the tools we need to do what needs to be done.
Lynn @ 131
All I can say is I hope you are right and sanity can once again become part of our national psyche. But as the years go on, I must admit I am beginning to loose faith. This isnt the country I grew up with, the country we were taught about in civics, or the country I love anymore, it is the country of Bush Rove and Cheney. I have never been so pessimistic, despite all the parallels with the decline of both the Roman and British Empires, as I am now. But then again Heinlein did call this “The Crazy Years”.
Christy, you never fail to inspire me of a Saturday morning. Thank you especially for the words of JFK.
The thing that makes me most proud to be an American is that we are a country of immigrants from every part of the globe. I love the blend of ethnicities in our country, in my city, in my own family.
I, too, will not be watching the ABC movie-lie. But I will be remembering the people who lost their lives and the valiant rescuers of that day. And in our family we will have a party, too, to celebrate the 5th birthday of our little niece who was born on that fateful day.
Jonathan, thank you for sharing your insight and my deepest sympathy for your pain.
thanks, Christy, for a beautiful, poignant post. and to all those others whose expressions have had a reflective, thoughtful tone. i think you’ve taken the appropriate manner, in contrast to what abc has tried to foist off on us.
to the dissonant ones, i have to say that, whatever truth there may be to some of your statements, they would better be saved for a more appropriate moment. no, America is not perfect, but there are a hell of a lot of admirable, strong and thoughtful people trying to right the wrongs that have been commited in our name. we have a lot of things to answer for and we must try to do so, not give up or throw a tantrum. as someone put it, better to light a candle than curse the darkness.
GW Clusterfuck has now butchered 2900 troops in Iraq. Nice goin dickhead!
Ohioan: I don’t get a chance to get on here as much as I used to. Are you working any campaigns in Ohio?
lhp, Johnathon Erlich, tpres…all…you have me crying into my tea again this morning. Thank you.
new thread
rwcole @ 134
Oh, such a perfect metaphor. After his “speaking” tour of the last several days, does he really think anybody is going to pay attention to him? So. Completely. Irrelevant.
kalkaino at 8:22 am
IMO, this is a “big tent” community. We’re not all going to agree with every word posted all all the time. I think the vast majority of Americans were surprised by 9/11. If your position is now, that you weren’t surprised, than we can ask, what actions you took to share that information. I don’t want to go there. I’d prefer to move forward and try to win in November. If you’ve read Christy for a long time, than you know she is intimately familiar with Tom Paine.
Jonathan Ehrlich @
140
Jonathan -
I do see us coming back and changing the story. However, it will take awhile and it will take perseverance of a kind we haven’t seen in many, many years, perhaps since the first years of this nation.
Thank you, Redd – excellent work…
Hi, Fahrender.
I’m not a very articulate person :~)
Of course, I wasn’t referring to Germans’ interest in other countries and cultures! And my own group of friends and my husband’s family fit your description.
I was referring to the national discussion. The political talks shows, the debates in the Bundestag, media, etc.
While I’ve had more than a few “Emily Litella” moments (”Never mind”, a la Gilda Radner) while listening to political discussions here, I stand by what I said above.
OT: If you and the others are doing that Florence FDL trip from the previous thread, Munich’s on the way, so don’t forget to drop by!
rw (#136):
naughty boy. phone in an order for four and have them delivered to rove. maybe he’ll get a buzzard bone stuck in his throat and choke on it.
I rarely ever disagree with what Christy says, but I will offer this
for those of us that believe that it was our own government that caused this, knew it was about to happen, used it to destroy others and profit heavily by it, etc…
I can’t celebrate the “coming together” of this country until after the war is over, and the criminals that perpretrated this hoax upon us are dead or jailed. they have raped and strangled the USA into submission.
IF we can come together as a country, not until. I do not trust many people now to be sane, to be able to understand this wasn’t a war, that we were not invaded by a foreign power. No amount of negotiation can rectify the fact that the republicans launched a concerted effort to steal this country from us, and are still active today. stealing, killing and changing our country in ways that will reverberate for as long as we have a country. We have lost our freedoms, and I am sorry to doubt. now that these freedoms are gone, I do not believe the democratic party (if in power, if we get to vote) will reverse them if they regain power. We have not seen a filibuster to prevent some truly heinous people from being installed in our government. They have done nothing yet together of any import at all, look at the history. I sure hope I am wrong about the future, but we have nothing to look forward to with weak spineless representatives in our legislature.
this “war” isn’t over yet. We, the people are the enemy of our government, and we need fundamental changes in the fabric of our lives before I will again believe that a “high percentage” of the people of my country are deserving of freedom, because they have actively attempted to curtail it, no, welcomed the loss of their liberties. here, and in the rest of the world
vigilance, maintain it. we have won no battles in 6 years with an openly criminal government.
but that is just me. I don’t celebrate until there is a reason
“That this sort of integrity stands out because it has become such a rare thing is regrettable. That ABC and the producers and writers of the abomination of a show dismissed the concerns of not one, but two career FBI agents who told them that the scenes they were putting into the miniseries were flat-out false is despicable.”
As an optimist, there’s plenty more integrity out there. James Comey. Patrick Fitzgerald. Russ Feingold. There’s more.
Are there people who still are doing the right thing? Yup.
Are some people keeping their heads down? Yup.
Are people still talking to the press? Probably not on the phone, but the secret prison story, NSA story, etc. still surfaced.
This republic will survive these Neros.
“I feel that if our constitutional system ever fails, it will be because people got scared
and turned hysterical and someone in power will demagogue them right into a police state of some kind. That’s what I’ve always worried about. And still do.”
Harry S. Truman.
What’s Bush done since 9/11 other than sell fear?
The dog named fear is done hunting.
kalkaino @ 133
Did you miss this paragraph in Christy’s post?
Yeah, things are crappy in the U.S. of A., but we are all hopefully agents of change, and it’s good to be reminded in the midst of our battles why we are fighting, and that there is something worth saving. If we divorce all hope from our outlook, why would we even bother being politically active?
Another powerful post, Christy. It brought tears to my eyes. The work that you and Jane are doing here, with your incredibly talented array of posters, and commenters, is amazing and so inspiring.
Words fail. Except to say that you yourself are an example to us all of what a patriot would do. Thank you. And to all the rest of you too.
First off, nice post Chisty. I remember my disappointment with the right’s almost immediate politicalization of this.
moeman @ 12 mentions the Conason article at Salon.com. IN it he links to his original rebuttal to the wingnuts who what to blame Clinton for 9/11. That article is great (but Salon Premium only?). It ends with the following paragraph:
That caught my attention. As John Dean points out, we are dealing with a personality type in most wingnut cases. This has happened before. They need to blame, distract and denigrate. We need commonality and cooperation. When that choice is is made apparent, who do you think will win?
Pfifferling (#153):
Munich’s a great city. I love the culture. Many friends. Two of my best friends are nearby, in Augsburg. Thanks for the offer to drop by. Weisswurst, sauerkraut und kurbiskorn brot. Ja! and a big weitzen bier! If the compadres are up for it we’ll knock on your door with our elbows.
You’re right about the national politics as I understand them but, on the face of it, can you make a comparison to German national politics and American national politics? When you look at the difference in the size, both in land mass and population of the two countries, it seems dubious to me. And Germany has been, until fifty years ago at least, a fairly homogenious population. These and other factors I think have to be recognized when one gets into a discussion about the acceptance of diversity, etc.
Christy Hardin Smith @
6
Thanks Christy — we grow some pretty goo singin’ women here, too, like Sarah.
Fahrender, I agree with you completely.
Don’t hesitate to knock with your foot if your arms are too full for the elbows to reach the door!
Christy Hardin Smith @
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Yeah, Sarah McLachlan is fantastic. Another one, if you need to cry (esp. if you have/had someone w/terminal illness to care for), is her “Hold On” song on “Fumbling Towards Ecstasy”.
Thanks for a very moving post.
I was driving my 8 year old to school at the time. The annoucer descibing the scene used the word “triage.” My daughter asked what that word meant and I began crying as I explained it to her. The last time I heard that word was Viet Nam. . .
This wekend is a time for relection. Starting Tuesday lets kick some ass out there. I’ve had enough!
fahrender and Pfifferling, even if it’s only in my dreams, I can’t wait to come party with you two!
damn spell checker isn’t working. lol
OP99,
I do applaud so much of Christy’s valuable work, but she’s not perfect and we owe it to her to call bullshit when she slips into it.
In response to your question:
“Did you miss this paragraph in Christy’s post?”
Yeah, I did miss the subsequent paragraphs. That’s what I meant by “you lost me at the first” with the treacly sentimental generalities. It’s kinda like the old New Yorker items where they quoted appalling openers under the rubric: “Things We Never Finished Reading.”
Lotus, dreams sometimes come true. Hope yours does!
Thanks for the excellent post, Christy. I too was distraught at the people searching for their loved ones. It just tore at your heart. As much as I critize our government and disagree with the idea, I am patriotic. I love our country because of the beauty, history and most of all, the people.
I read an article recently about the problems in Britian and how America was different because we were a true melting pot. We have had a number of exchange students over the years and they all talk about how friendly people are here, how they help each other and how accepting they are of other cultures. And how we don’t give up. I used to think the rest of the world was mostly like us but it isn’t.
I don’t think America is special as in superior, but I do think we are unique. I just wish about half of the people weren’t so easy to manipulate and brainwash. But I am so proud of the rest who stand up and take the heat, fight for what is right and can articulate those thoughts. And I am very thankful for communities like this of intelligent, thoughtful people who look for making things better. It has saved my sanity these past 6 years.
Lovely post, Christy.
Interesting how so many people have been slagging Canada in the comments, when the video you embedded is Sarah McLaughlin, an nice girl from Vancouver, British Columbia.
Canadians are not the enemy. Canadians are cousins who hold up a mirror to the US, who provide a venue for the creating and dissemination and celebration of nonconformist American culture. Canada is a not so foreign place where Americans can see what they might have been if things had been different.
The NY Times has a demented piece today on the Toronto International Film Festival, in which they accuse Toronto of harboring liberals. As if Toronto was part of the US political landscape!
The suppressed Reagan movie of 2003 was also filmed in Canada. Hell, Chicago was filmed in Canada. Canadian urban cores were not destroyed in the 50’s and 60’s as were American ones, which allows contemporary filmmakers to film US period pieces in Canadian cities. Queer as Folk was not produced in Pittsburgh, but Toronto, where no one was at all concerned about the threat to family values.
The border between the two countries was almost totally open until recently. 9/11 has changed all that. Even Canadian vegetables are now terrorist threats.
Canada is a place Americans can store their values until it gets safer to express them at home. Canadians sing and Canadians house Americans from aircraft forced out of the skies on 9/11. Don’t blame Canada!
It’s kind of strange. I had a meeting on Sept. 11 with some people from Citigroup at the top of the World Trade Center. My colleagues were already there.
I was really sick consistenly for almost a decade (vertigo mostly); I had an ear problem that required some intense operations. I was running late and I went to Wallgreens to pick up some medication in Connecticut.
I picked up the Meds and then got on I684 to head into New York City. I got to the Henry Hudson Bridge in Riverdale and it was blocked off. I’d never seen so many police heading into the city. I turned on the radio and I heard the news saying a plane had hit one of the towers.
I got kind of irritated because I knew my colleagues would be stuck and probably not happy so I flipped around and jumped onto the Broadway Bridge. I made it to Spuyten Duyvil. I stopped there because all of the paths to the West Side Highway were blocked.
People were walking around the city crying. The shop keepers were running out of the stores (which in Spuyten Duyvil is very rare). I tried my cell and it didn’t work. Most of the roads were completely blocked off (particularly the West Side Highway). I jumped on a payphone and that didn’t work either. I jumped back in my car and turned on the AM dial; apparently another plane had hit the towers and it became clear that it wasn’t an accident. That’s when it got kind of scary to be sitting in New York City.
I drove back across the bridge and got on the Saw Mill Parkway going up through the Bronx and through Westchester. There were police every 10 miles or so turning people around (going to NYC) and sending them home. I’ve been driving around New York and Connecticut for 20 years and I have never seen a day when there wasn’t a single soul on the Saw Mill.
I had actually never been afraid to sit in the city before. I’ve been sitting in my office in New York City for almost 20 years. Not only did I feel invincible, I felt protected, secluded and even a little exclusive. Sitting on real estate that’s 250 bucks a square foot can give you a swelled head. Well, on 9/11 my head deflated pretty damned quick.
I wasn’t allowed back in my office for over a week. My two clients in 1 World Trade Center had their entire operations vaporized. When I went down to lower Manhattan to visit them in temporary digs, lower Manhattan absolutely smelled horrible. I’ve never smelled an open grave but this had to be the closest thing to it. Even when we went for meetings in subsequent weeks out to Jersey, I could still see the fire and smolder from the Jersey exit of the Lincoln Tunnel. Maybe I am imagining things but I think lower NYC smelled bad for well over a year after 9/11. I can’t put my finger on it but it just reaked. It just plain sucked.
I miss going into the World Trade Center. I do. I know people like my brother (he’s lived in New York City for 25 years) that said the Trade Center sucked. He just didn’t like it because there were always people going to work and he has an aversion to really hard work. I liked it. There were always people there. It was very alive. It could be cut throat but I always knew it as a great place to have meetings and get together with customers because it had a whole mall right underneath it. It also had a neat little church right next to it where I could park for an exhorbitant price and stop by the little street fairs before I went in the meeting (they had great little Apple Cakes and wonderful selections of fruits and peanuts; I miss it).
Everytime I went into the World Trade Center I was photographed “for security reasons”. I still work in Manhattan and New Jersey and now I am harrassed every time I go to see one of my clients by “rent a cop security guys”. We have definitely pissed away far too many liberties at the hands of Osama and GW Bush. Mind you, I could never walk into an office in NYC ad hoc. There was always security. Always. Fat lot of good all those pictures those security guys took of me.
Those security guys didn’t help alot of people in that building. My friend at Morgan Stanley was actually told they couldn’t leave until the fire was either put out or it was established where the fire was (by the NYFD). One of my friends that was in the South Tower was trying to get out and it was a fireman that told him to run like hell when he got out of the tower and down near the subway. As a surreal addition, after he got out of the tower he actually ran by one of the jet engines from the plane. It didn’t even register with him (at that point) how completely insane a spinning jet engine was on a street in lower NYC.
But now, I have to have a guy in a cheap rent a cop suit with an 8th grade education question me about who I am going to see, they always X-Ray my bag and make me turn on my laptop to prove that it isn’t an evil device or WMD. I’ve had the metal detector wand waived over me more than a few times (again, by someone with clearly NO law enforcement training). By the way, did I tell you I am a big tall, bald, fat Jewish guy? If there is racial profiling, I don’t fit it.
So what have I learned from 9/11? Well, first; there’s a reason for everything. I had been sick as a dog for almost 9 years with my ears. My messed up ears saved my life. Period.
Second – we aren’t reacting appropriately to the threat. Searching white, bald Jewish guys isn’t going to stop some insane terrorist from flying a plane in the building. I’ve been to Israel quite a few times, a country that is essentially surrounded by terrorists on all sides and even from within. Even with imminent threats, Israeli society is still focused on the correct aspects of terrorism vs. the cursory American approach.
El Al has never been highjacked or had any problems with terrorists. I’ve been on it several times (the food is better out of NYC than out of Jerusalem).
Israel focuses on police work and intelligence and information gathering. They intelligently approach the problem and construct solutions and options. The US approach (as a guy that is living it first hand in NYC) is completely knee jerk. Civil rights should be protected, first and foremost. They are worth dying for (I believe). Structural changes within the construct of our Constitution loving society are the only ways of defeating terrorists. Our civil rights and personal freedoms can be protected without sacrificing one iota of security. We need to beef up our law enforcement (that means the local cop on the beat all the way to the FBI and CIA) and let them do their jobs.
I don’t believe the US is capable of intelligently assessing their ability to respond or plan against terrorist threats. I think the US government should hire seasoned Israeli security teams to do a complete assesment of the country; it’s strengths, weaknesses and where we are really vulnerable. Pick the top 5 critical issues and tell the American people what the American Government will do about it.
A third point I would like to make is that this country has taken on a lexicon and vocabulary that is factually incorrect and borders and racist. “Islamofacist” is a racist word. It should not be used by our leaders. Only now that we’ve stuck our neck’s into Iraq have we “discovered” that there are different kinds of Arabs and different approaches to Islam. Most Americans can’t tell the difference from a Sunni to a Shia. So our government lops them all together as facists. Not true.
There are whole nations of Arabs that are decent, honest people. Did you know that if you steal in Egypt and get caught your family can live in shame for hundreds of years? I have spoken to quite a few Egyptians in Egypt and in the US. Their general take on life is “live and let live”. They’d rather we (meaning US Citizen) come spend money on trinkets outside of the Pyramids versus fighting a war for Islam.
War on terror? How’s the “war on drugs” going? Did we win that one yet? How about the “war on illiteracy”. Maybe we should stop declaring war and start figuring out why everyone is so upset with us? We need to stop using “war on terror” as a catch all phrase to describe our problems with Bin Laden and our quagmire in Iraq. “War on Terror” is a catch-all phrase cooked up by marketers for politicians, companies and lobbyists. It frames a conversation that is very sophisticated in simplistic terms. It’s a bad misconception; terrorism is not simple. It’s bad no matter what however it cannot be absorbed in a sound bite. This is the core of what seems to be vexing much of America.
By the way, all of my colleagues that were in the World Trade Center that day died. One was a grandmother. What was the point of killing someone’s grandmother? Not only that; she was a decent and wonderful person. By all rights, I should be dead (had I made that meeting). One of the guys I work with that was also there quit my company to become a minister. I told him to thank God for my crummy ears.
Alison @ 169
Oops. Here’s the link to the NY Times.
kalkaino @ 166
Christy is not writing a dogmatic treatise here, she is describing her emotions on that seminal day. Emotions are spontaneous; they are what they are. We deny or bury them at the peril of our political movement. Like you, my first reaction upon hearing that the horror on my TV screen may have been a terrorist attack was “f*cking *&^!!&*&^* George Bush.” But it was so much more than that. I don’t think that tapping our emotions needs to detract from the rational side of what we all saying and doing. I’m not fighting with you, Kalkaino. I pretty much agree with you. I just think it’s counter-productive the exclude emotion passion from our struggle – reason alone does not political action make.
OP99,
About this:
“I just think it’s counter-productive the exclude emotion passion from our struggle – reason alone does not political action make.”
I agree with you. I wish somebody could find an effective, peaceful way to exploit the passions generated by the Bush junta. But so far I see few signs that the whims of those assholes are not now and forever to be made so. Of course, maybe I’ll be proved wrong in November.
Emotion is fine, necessary. But we mustn’t let it convince us of things not true.
lina @
71
The heck of it is that the CIA and State Department figured that out and warned Bush1 before Desert Storm. Bush1 had the good sense to follow their advice.
But PNAC, the Project to Establish a Fourth Reich, put delusions of grandeur in the eyes of Bush2, who is nowhere near as intelligent as his father.
every year for the last few years i have reposted this in honor of Vernon Cherry..who lost his life on 9/11…..
mrsmarks: beautiful comment @ 29 – I can see I’m going to have to work my way through the comments in small doses. Only so much weeping I can take at a time.
Karen Allen @ 145 said:
Not yet. I live in Ohio – 3, which has to have a special Democratic primary this month. I did some canvassing for Jane Mitakides in 2004, but I haven’t sorted out whether that’s the best option again this time around.
Alison, I’m really surprised to see your “slagging Canada” and “Don’t blame Canada” phrases, because I’ve never seen anything remotely like Canada-blaming on this on any other FDL thread. I think our many Canadians Firepups will back me up on that.
A touching post. It gets us out of the mire, like the 911 gop-u-drama and the manipulation of patriotism in the recent wave of speeches. I think the most destructive part of the post-911 era is the confusion the Administration has infused into things like our flag or our slogans. It’ll be a long time before we’ll get them back right. Thanks for rising above the din…
Marco, that’s a beautiful thing you wrote today — just beautiful. Thank you.
When I think of patriotism and what it means to be an American I think of my grandfathers. One of them missed his highschool graduation because he was being sent up to North Carolina to train for the Pacific Theatre. Like the other 90% of soldiers in WWII he did not see battle, but he did volunteer to leave the comfort of his home in Nauvoo, Alabama (yes- it is as rural as you think) and ship up to North Carolina and then off to the Pacific. He did that because he believed in this country and believed in fighting for its ideals.
My other grandfather was the holiest man I have ever met in my life. He was not able to serve in WWII because of health problems, but he is the very figure of moral authority in my mind. He was strict, but fair and always taught his children and grandchildren the wonder of faith. But he was not evangelical. To him faith was a personal matter and he would talk Jesus with you all day long but he would not condemn or proselytize. He taught me respect for God and respect for other people.
They both raised children in America and loved this country more than anything. When I think of patriots or what it is to be American, I cannot help but think of the country that allowed two men to become what they did become.
I was across the country and thirty miles east of Seattle on September 11, 2001. It was 7:15 a.m. My husband had just left for the office, and I was dozing a bit before I got up to take a shower and start the day. The phone rang. It was him. I’ve never heard his tone of voice before or since, and all he said was, “Turn on the TV.” I’ll never forget standing upstairs in our house, clutching the phone to my ear, looking at the television and thinking I must have been hallucinating — this couldn’t be real, could it?
A year later, I met a local broadcaster that had been staying in the Millennium Hotel with her husband that day. She kept calling Seattle that morning to talk to one of her radio colleagues currently on the air about what was happening, what she was seeing, etcetera. She talked to me for two hours the day I met her about what had happened to her and her family as a result of their experiences on September 11, 2001.
I think about what she told me every day. I think about the fact that she spent two hours sitting in a furniture store with someone who was a complete stranger to her, holding my hands, and tears streaming down her cheeks. I think about the kind of pain there must be for millions surrounding this day.
None of us will ever be the same as we were on September 10, 2001. I’m not sure anyone could ever accurately chronicle what happened to us, and to our country, on that day. I’m wondering how I’m going to commemmorate those that died, and those that are still suffering. One thing’s for sure, I don’t need ABC and Disney to tell me how to mourn.
-S
Meta said:
That’ll be when chimp and cheney and their henchmen are lead handcuffed to face trial at the Hague.
Remember the last scene of StarWars? When Luke Skywalker finally defeats the evil empire and the entire planet, the entire galaxy, erupt into a gigantic champagne guzzling boogying down party? That’ll be us.
I live in California now, but I was born and brought up in New York. Mrsmarks #29, thank you for your post, and Christy thank you, too. I do not hate George Bush personally, I hate what he and Karl Rove have done to my country. I am proud of my country. I am proud of our Constitution, of our legal system, our ideals, our determination to fix it when we get it wrong, and to stay together no matter what — hell, we fought a terrible, bitter civil war over one of those wrongs, and stayed together. Please God we can do it again. The Republicans in their vicious pursuit of Bill Clinton and their mean-spirited and divisive political tactics have driven us apart from each other. We need to find a way to come back together. I believe we can. For the sake of all of us, for our children, we should be working together, disagreeing respectfully but looking for and finding common ground.
I know I’m late to respond, but I was very moved by your post. I’m a former firefighter and I drove from Boston to NYC shortly after the towers fell to help in any way I could. I spent a month at ground zero and I spent every one of those days in complete and utter disbelief. I saw the absolute best and the absolute worst in humanity confounded and amplified by my terror and my exhaustion and my confusion.
I see heroes every day. I think of all those who serve in silence. I think about how I deliver the mail and bring coffee to the old lady down the hall who thinks gays are modern day pariahs. I’m gay and yet I’m the only one in the building who will talk to her. Any person who gets up every day and puts on a uniform and a badge (military, police, fire) are heroes even if they are flawed in their motives. Even in the face of 9/11, I believe no one person is completely evil. Sometimes I am shocked that I have any nievete left and yet I mutter comments like that one.
I long for the greatness that we could be and I am hopeful for a groundswell of people who believe the same. We were founded on that principle and it’s time to take our country back. It’s not too late.