
It is time to change the channel.
The LATimes reports this morning that the craptastic GOP-U-Drama will still be broadcast as scheduled on Sunday and Monday (I originally mis-typed this as "money," which seems oddly appropriate.) Tom Kean continues to dig himself further and further into the hypocrite hole:
Kean, in an interview Friday, continued to defend the movie as a "first-class project," adding that although the filmmakers took the recent criticisms seriously and made adjustments when warranted, much of the hostile reaction was political grandstanding from partisans who had seen little if any of the film. "That’s the blogosphere, frankly," Kean said of the controversy.
Oh, it’s the "blogosphere," is it? Just a bunch of liberal, partisan rabble rousers, eh? Hmmm…perhaps Mr. Kean should speak with JPod at the NYPost (NOT a liberal). Or Chris Wallace on Fox News (also NOT a liberal). Or Bill Bennett on CNN. (Really NOT a liberal.) Or Richard Miniter (who is not only NOT a liberal, I never, ever thought I would be quoting him in any sort of manner whatsoever). Or Brent Bozell on MSNBC. (Again, really NOT a liberal.)
Whatever public spin ABC and Disney may be putting on this flawed fantasy film, the director of "Path to 9/11" is making it abundantly clear where he stands:
"A lot of these critics haven’t seen the whole thing or, in some cases, any of it," Cunningham said.
"We have these CNN pundits who haven’t seen it who are taking scenes out of context as examples [of factual inaccuracies in the film]."…
"We have out CIA consultants and Clinton has his. It’s kind of a ‘he said, she said’ situation right now," Cunningham said.
Cunningham also said that the talk of ABC possibly pulling the show "is just a rumor right now."
So, let me get this straight: Mr. Make Up Your Own Reality to Fit Your Politics refuses to allow people to see a film that reportedly defames them, and then complains that they have no right to talk about the defamatory film because he has refused to allow them to see it. Anyone see any logic there at all beyond "Hello, I am a petulant moron who has been called on my immature, lying, craptastic film, and now I’m going to whine about my bruised ego."? (And while we are at it, the director of this partisan extravaganza is giving an interview to a college newspaper in Alabama?!? Who in the hell is doing PR for this turd of a film, anyway?)
Tim Rutten in the LATimes calls it right on the money this morning:
SURVEYING the smoking ruin that is ABC’s reputation after the "The Path to 9/11" debacle, it’s hard to know whether you’re looking at the consequence of unadulterated folly or of a calculated strategy that turned out to be too clever by half.
At the end of the day, it probably doesn’t make much difference because, either way, the lacerating controversy surrounding the network’s docu-dramatic re-creation of events leading to Sept. 11 is an entirely self-inflicted wound. For most of the week, ABC rather haughtily attempted to characterize itself as the victim of philistines, or self-righteously as a champion of free speech or, more pathetically, as just plain misunderstood by people who just don’t understand how television is done.
It is none of those things.
It’s an opportunistic and self-interested organization that somehow thought it could approach the most wrenching American tragedy since Pearl Harbor with the values that prevail among network television executives — the sort of ad hoc ethics that would make a streetwalker blush — and that nobody would mind.
But my favorite review of all thus far comes in the Chicago Sun Times (a sentence that I never, ever thought I would type as long as I live). Doug Elfman has had me laughing out loud this morning:
I once sat in a car forever waiting for my mom to come out of a grocery store. I thought that was the definition of "interminable." I had no idea "The Path to 9/11" was in my future.This is what happens during 4 1/2 lonnnng hours of "Path." Terrorists talk about killing Americans for Allah. FBI and other security officials try to track them but fail. 9/11 happens.
You don’t say.
This is the most anticlimactic, tension-free movie in the history of terrorist TV.
It’s hard to fathom a brouhaha brewed over such a bore. ABC has received tens of thousands of letters — including one from Bill Clinton’s office — insisting "Path" is wildly inaccurate and should not air. But ABC still plans to air the two-part movie.
Controversy could boost viewership, except "Path" is the dullest, worst-shot TV movie since ABC’s disastrous "Ten Commandments" remake. It substitutes shaky handheld cameras and dumb dialogue for craftsmanship. It could not be more amateurish or poorly constructed unless someone had forgotten to light the sets.
An appalling secondary concern is the tone makes almost every pre-9/11 American look like a fool.
Look, there’s a security guard yawning while terrorists plant the 1993 bomb at the World Trade Center. How dare a security guard work while tired.
Oh, hey, there’s an airline agent checking in a 9/11 terrorist even though he has a carry-on bag. Stupid airline agents.
Excuse us all, writer Cyrus Nowrasteh and director David L. Cunningham, for not acting like Hitler Youth in the glory days before ordinary Americans knew commercial planes could be turned into missiles.
Idiots….
It keeps going, too. It is the review that keeps on giving. But this paragraph is what made me sit up and say "amen."
Ground Zero is a sobering soil worthy of facts, not flimsy fiction. The victims of 9/11 deserve 2,996 times more careful and compelling filmmaking than what Nowrasteh, Cunningham and ABC have bored together. They are bearing false witness to the memory of the fallen.
Amen. And amen again. I don’t know about you guys, but I will be watching any network other than ABC. That goes triple for Sunday and Monday nights. You think that decent Americans of all political stripes can’t be disgusted by you trying to make a buck by whoring out the sacred memories of their friends and family who were lost on 9/11 to score political points with folks like your pal Rush Limbaugh? Think again.
Christmas shopping season is approaching, and I know exactly where I will not be spending my dollars. And I know several thousand of my friends who are probably feeling the same way right about now. Hope Bob Iger isn’t counting on a stock option bonus this year…



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Fitz!
Dirty rotten scoundrels and liars and mouthpieces for the administration!
Thanks again, Christy.
Turds!
So, let me get this straight: Mr. Make Up Your Own Reality to Fit Your Politics refuses to allow people to see a film that reportedly defames them, and then complains that they have no right to talk about the defamatory film because he has refused to allow them to see it
I’m beginning to think that this was the plan all along. “…And then, when they complain about it, we can just say that they haven’t seen it! It’s perfect!”
The best way to get back at Tom Kean is to work against his son’s Senate campaign.
Tom Kean Jr. ads claim he’s an “independent reformer” When he’s a nepotistic, GOP insider.
I would not be surprised if Daddy’s Mock-U-Mentory was the downpayment for his son’s GOP ticket to the Senate.
If you are looking for meaningful TV viewing on Sunday night at 8pm:
There will be an actual documentary on Sunday night at 8pm on the Discovery channel. It’s Ted Koppel’s first show since leaving Nightline. My friend Lenny has been doing sound for the past few months on it; he went to Guantanamo Bay and other places. It show be a very interesting show on Security and Liberty.
on the day after 9/11 i hung flags in all our windows…we live downwind of the WTC
tonight I am rehanging those flags in ALL our windows but adding a sign onto each flag that says
I do think it’s pretty hilarious that ABC and/or the Republicans spent so much money on their precious propaganda hit piece… and it totally sucks. I mean, if I were in their shoes, knowing all this backlash would be coming my way, I would want it to be The Bestest Propaganda Film Ever, not amateurish dreck.
On the other hand, maybe the Republican talent pool in Hollywood just isn’t very deep…
Out of respect to the memory of those who died on September 11, 2001, I shall turn my TV OFF entirely for three days: tomorrow (Sunday), Monday, and Tuesday to avoid any lingering right-wing inspired b.s.
No ABC, no cable, no nothin. It should help my blood pressure, too.
Christy,
Your Saturday morning chats have a way of bringing out our personal reflections of what is ‘true’. That seems to be a general theme of this ABC/Disney debacle.
As I understand it, our country was initially populated by groups fleeing a lack of (religious) tolerance. The Founding Fathers recognized ultimately recognized and confirmed the central importance of separating ‘church’ from ’state’. Our current challenge seems to be the LACK of separation of our informational ‘media’ from ‘corporate-speak’.
Long live a free Internet!
Think about:
1. Sending an email to the General Sales Manager of your local ABC outlet on Monday (5 extra points if its Sinclair-owned)
2. Deleting all future ABC programming on your TiVo.
3. Boycotting ABC for a month/during ’sweeps’
4. Avoiding all Disney products at Passover and Christmas
5. Protest vote against Tom Jr. if NJ resident
I think the Chris Wallace link is wrong.
And now we know that the extreme right has been pushing support of this film to thier followers for months. “We can destroy Hollywood from within! It is a win-win situation!”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..29015.html
Isn’t this a trip back to the “docudrama” that was Dateline, blowing up the GMC truck?
It seems to me that, with “composites” composed of things that didn’t happen, involving living, known persons, you have to have one of two problems:
First – if you claim credibility for the scenes, defamation.
Second – if you claim fictionalization of the scenes, misappropriation.
Unless they want to come right out and say that the whole thing is very expensive, ver poor taste political satire, I think they end up stuck in one rut or the other.
Composites and condenations, if clearly spelled out, are likely ok – but you can’t claim a composite over things that never happened.
OT – in an example of why the administraton and the Bush League Legal Team’s approach on torture and coercion and ditching due process and evidence in favor of “hey, if we get it wrong, we can just cover it up and KEEP getting it wrong” is so bad:
Coerced Testimony Revealed by Happenstance; One Less of the “worst of the worst” at GITMO by Luck Alone
Why wouldn’t Clinton, Berger, and Albright threaten to sue for defamation of character and slander? Seems like they would have a case. I know they would be deeply criticized, but certainly it could be substantiated.
I can live without ABC programming. TFITZNC makes the point to delete ABC from your TIVO. Alot of ratings info comes from tivo so it’s a must do if you really want to boycott. Don’t forget the Manning v Manning game tomorrow…
Composites and condenations, if clearly spelled out, are likely ok – but you can’t claim a composite over things that never happened.
Maybe they’ll claim that if you mixed the right people together in just the right way, that’s what that composite person *would* have done, had they existed.
George Bush is now requesting time to address the nation during the “Path to 9/11″ docudrama (long on drama, short on docu).
Go to http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..29034.html for a snippet about this latest grandstanding ploy.
Tom @ 17
I think it’s more of a “truth vs. lies” kind of thing…
I forget, who was running the security at the WTC on 9/11?
Strange stuff going on. When ABC put the blog for RT9/11 back up, I wrote a thoughtful comment. I kept checking back to see if it had been posted, it never was. In fact the last post had only 22 comments. Yesterday afternoon I refreshed the blog and discovered this new thread.
I, along with several of my colleagues, have seen The Path to 9/11 in its entirety. I think that it is absolutely essential viewing, a stunning portrayal of events leading up to September 11, 2001. It is certainly a critical look, as 9/11 could and should have been avoided. One could say that about any tragedy; but, in my view, The Path to 9/11 is not about pointing fingers. It is about looking inward and looking to the future. The intent of the story is to highlight the fact that our follow-up to the events of 9/11, as outlined by the Commission, has been abysmal. For that, we are all responsible. This is not a partisan issue. To take sides and place blame, in my opinion, is to miss the point of The Path to 9/11 The path leading to September 11th can’t be changed; the future can be. Please watch this incredible work and take action not by pointing fingers, but by demanding attention to the open issues threatening the safety of our country.
Chris Salvaterra
Participant Productions
Makers of SYRIANA, GOOD NIGHT AND GOOD LUCK, THE INCONVENIENT TRUTH
That new thread was pulled sometime last night. I smell a scoop.
Eli! — shame on you! — please dont feed the trolls !
Christy thanks for your previous post. I just returned from my walk and did not have a chance to let you know how beautifully written it was.
*ilson46201 @ 22
I usually don’t, but it was such a softball…
Christmas shopping season is approaching, and I know exactly where I will not be spending my dollars. And I know several thousand of my friends who are probably feeling the same way right about now. Hope Bob Iger isn’t counting on a stock option bonus this year…
The trick is to sustain … and grow .. this kind of action over the next four months. Make it real ! It will be a very effective wedge “starter” into beginning finally to address the bullshit that passes for MSM in the country, if there is real and sustained impact.
Marvin P. Bush, the president’s younger brother, was a principal in a company called Securacom that provided security for the World Trade Center, United Airlines, and Dulles International Airport. The company, Burns noted, was backed by KuwAm, a Kuwaiti-American investment firm on whose board Marvin Burns also served. [Utne]
According to its present CEO, Barry McDaniel, the company had an ongoing contract to handle security at the World Trade Center “up to the day the buildings fell down.”
Cunningham says his version of events was verified by CIA agents!?!?! Is that even legal? Who are these agents (if they exist) and why is there version so at odds w/ the 9/11 report?
He lies like a rug.
Tom at 17 — I have never extolled the virtues of F9/11. Inaccuracy appears to be a rethug trait.
jmba @ 14
Because they haven’t been given a final cut for review – they have been in contact about scenes that they have had described to them and they have said that those scenes, if they appear as descibed, are not correct and would be defamatory. That puts ABC on actual notice of false and defamatory content – preBroadcast.
It also puts them on notice of a pattern of false and defamatory statements and, with refusal to turn over a copy for review or to even allow review by their OWN consultant (Clarke) I think it puts them in a hugely bad position for other incorrect and defamatory scenes of which they have not had direct, prior knowledge. Knowledge of prevelance of inaccuracies, combined with requests for prior review that are denied (even thoughhundreds have been sent to right wing talk show type reviewers) and with walling off their OWN consultants, who have actual knowledge, from review– they are in a heap of trouble IMO if they go forward. But timing in lawsuits means it could be well after elections when it comes home to roost.
Linda @ 27
I’m sorry, but only the identities of CIA agents who *disagree* with the Bush administration may be publically divulged.
Mary at 28 — is it just me, or do you think the legal department at ABC is having serious heartburn issues and long hours this weekend? *g*
One thing I think is being proven by this mockumentary debacle. It’s long been the fervent wish of Bush’s rabid supporters to shove the blame for 9/11 onto Clinton, but we know now that it’s just not true.
How do we know that? Well, wingnuttery was given $40 million, a great cast, and carte blanche to make their anti-Clinton case…
And they couldn’t do it without MAKING STUFF UP!
Christy Hardin Smith @ 30
God put Blackberries on this continent just for weekends like this !
We the people of the United States of America should bring a class action suit against ABC/Disney for the injuries sustained towards our love and memory of those we have lost by their brutal rewriting of history.
*atou @
6
That’s what I’m looking forward to, and I hope Christy, Mary, looseheadprop, emptywheel, and some of the other legal types will as well – should be some interesting conversation fodder, and will likely have a firmer grounding in reality. ABC . . . not so much.
Regarding Bush’s speech – I can’t believe ABC and the other networks didn’t see this coming. It has nothing to do with the ABC miniseries, but everything to do with presidential anniversary photo-ops. Putting it at 9PM Eastern wasn’t chosen to get into the ABC miniseries, but to make it possible to be live when most folks were able to see it. 7PM Eastern is 4PM out west, and Bush wants to give the folks a chance to get home. (Of course, lots of folks in SF and LA are still in their commute mode at 6PM, but there’s more of a chance for people to get home by airtime if they really want to see it.)
On the Corporate Responsibility page of the Disney website Bob Iger is quoted: “At The Walt Disney Company, each of us is responsible for upholding our excellence and our integrity. This means acting responsibly in all our professional relationships, in a manner consistent with the high standards we set for our business conduct.” I fail to see how allowing this crockumentary to be aired lives up to those words.
I couldn’t find any way to send an email complaint to Disney on their website. How can it help them to shut themselves off from customer feedback?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 30
Aren’t they called “billable hours” instead of “long hours”? Or is it different for corporate attorneys?
Christy (and btw – I’ve never watched F911 either *g*) – I think the words being uttered in the legal department aren’t found in Black’s – although they may be blue.
I am somewhat amused that folks are dismayed by Tom Kean’s part in this smear. If you look at his record it is a perfect fit. What should dismay you is that he performed a bit better on the 9/11 Commission. At least it appeared that he did. In light of his present shenanigans maybe a closer look into his Chairmanship will prove otherwise. And by the way the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree, his son is a spitting image of the old man.
Jim
i work in midtown, and remember 9/11 and all the days that followed vividly. i knew people who died in the tower attacks; one friend was horribly injured, and even today is recovering from the burns she suffered — hell, she always will be.
i’m of the subset of folks who believe it’s still too soon to dramatize these events, because no matter the intent or skill in the effort, the process itself will cheapen and distort that which must be properly remembered.
i say this not only because the dead should not be exploited; this is vital because, as others have noted, this is not our past — this is part and parcel of our current events.
i don’t understand what abc was thinking — the suggestions by others here and elsewhere (about throwing down with the right wing, and hoping to kiss up to a repub administration) are probably spot-on, but these folks live and work in manhattan too. don’t they have any regard for the harm they are inflicting on us all? they are poisoning the historical record.
talk about no sense of decency.
I’m beginning to think the reason Clinton, Albright, and Berger weren’t given a copy was so that they couldn’t file a suit berfore this thing aired.
From
Boston Globe
To play devil’s advocate, given the negative publicity this programming has already gotten, it may well be to the benefit of the progressive community to have it air.
All it will do at this point to anyone not living in a cave is reinforce the republican message is fear mongering and politicizing 9/11.
Fear for sale, fear for sale, get your fear here.
A few thousand nut cases in third world countries manage to pull off a terrorist attack and our entire world collapses? When the hell did we all change our names to Chicken Little? Are we the successors to the ‘greatest generation?’ Or a bunch of wimps who deserve to have our freedoms taken away from us.
Seems to me that the folks on Flight 93 figured out what they had to do in about 15 minutes.
It will behoove us to pay attention and see what the rethugs try to sneak past us under the smokescreen of The Path to 9-11, since these guys play with smoke, mirrors and misdirection.
Franny at 35 — here is a link to some direct contact information for ABC and Disney. And here is Bob Iger’s e-mail address: robert.a.iger@disney.com (Please be polite in any contact that you have — we’re trying to be firm, but not rude. Thanks!)
One thing we can do is write your senators and representative to oppose Disney’s push to maintain an eternal copyright on the mouse. Now that will really hurt.
What do you think would happen when a “Micky Does Paris (Hilton)” flick hits the screens?
Peterr @ 37
Different for corporate attys and different for SALARIED associates as opposed to partners too. ;)
see ya
What do you think would happen when a “Micky Does Paris (Hilton)” flick hits the screens?
Mass projectile vomiting.
Linda @
26
Nice catch Linda.
Someone in the TM has to ask David Cunningham what security clearance he has. Are these CIA agents leaking classified information? Where is the NSA and Gonzales? Shouldn’t they be waterboarding David Cunningham down at Gitmo?
Herre are a few:
CEO of Disney:
robert.a.iger@disney.com
Chairman of the Board at DIsney:
george.mitchell@dlapiper.com
I’ve made some humongo errors in judgment. None worse than thinking the Clintons were “THE” big brains. All this crybaby whining from Bill Clinton (voted for this man twice) about the ABC mini-series leaves me cold. What did you think Bill? All your coziness with Bush I and II didn’t do one bit of good. These guys are ruthless. Worse; they’re vicious. The Bush-Cheney-Rove mob would throw you or anyone else overboard if they thought doing so would keep their boat afloat or help them to win, win, win! Message to Hillary: get with it! On Iraq. I didn’t go to Yale or Harvard, but even with my small brain I could see, Mr. and Mrs. Savvy Clinton, that you two were being led down the primrose path. Get real Clintons. You’re supposed to be the titular leaders of the loyal opposition. Shame on both you guys for being snookered by the like of the Bush cadre. I’m disgusted.
Mary @ 45
And then there’s “in house” counsel and outside counsel . . . Any way you slice it, though, it’s gotta be blue in those meetings!
;)
Great one-two posts for this Saturday morning, Christy!
Why wouldn’t Clinton, Berger, and Albright threaten to sue for defamation of character and slander? Seems like they would have a case. I know they would be deeply criticized, but certainly it could be substantiated.
Berger was asked about a lawsuit by Blitzer in his only interview yesterday — he’s obviously contemplating one, but would not actually confirm it.
Also check out Michael Froomkin’s take on the strong possibility of libel suits being filed in other countries — most notably Great Britain (FDL linked to an earlier post from Froomkin discussing a libel suit here in the US… this followup points out that the BBC is scheduled to present “Path to 9-11″ and that libel laws much more favorable to public figures in Britain)
Somebody at Kos wrote that if you TiVo or DVR a program and then watch it or erase it after 7 days it brings the ratings down. Apparently that’s how Nielsen tabulates the ratings now.
Okay, I tried to post this and the server ate it. Trying again. I came across a good article in the Toronto Star about Daniel Coleman, one of the FBI agents who refused to work on the project. It covers his work in tracking bin Laden.
MysteriousTraveler @ 53
That has kind of an urban legend sound to it…
unless i miss my guess, clinto, albright, berger et al. probably couldn’t sue because the defendants would simply say they were public figures, and the judge would dismiss the case on summary judgment.
can our legal brethern here tell me if i’ve got this wrong?
OK Kiddo — do you forget so quickly who popularized the phrase “vast right-wing conspiracy” ?
I wish I still watched TV just so I could boycott this thing. Instead, I’ll boycott anything Disney (including Touchstone), anything Scholastic (and tell the school board why I won’t be participating in the fundraisers anymore), and anything Apple. I’ll encourage others to do the same. It’s not much, but beyond writing letters of complaint, it’s all I can do.
With the christo-fascist and wacko-right connections now being documented, I hope they do run the film. For Disney/ABC to pull the film and make the stink go away would, IMHO, be a real shame. Pissing off Bubba and Dems in leadership positions is real good for us. The thought of Disney pulling the film and being congratulated for doing the right thing makes me want to vomit. Please little Mouse don’t pull the film and spoil my fun, I already bought the popcorn. (Rant Over)
Mary @ 28
I want this Mock-U-Mentory shown in the UK. The BBC is supposed to broadcast it. The UK has such a low bar for libel.
Also, given how unpopular Iraq War is in Europe, Euro-Disney might face a significant backlash for this inaccurate, Pro-Bush white-washing.
According to what I heard on Air America yesterday afternoon, all of the ads have been pulled. So ABC is going to show this without the benefit of ad revenue. If so, ABC/Disney stockholders have to ask, “Where is the expected payoff for us in this activity?”
Boards of Directors have a fiduciary duty to the stockholders to maximize return on investment. Surely ABC/Disney must showhow expect more than $40M in additional revenue as a result of having shown this ad-free six-hour docudrama. Where is that incremental revenue coming from?
Here’s the Kos diary.
It has a link to a NYT article explaining how the Tivo and DVR thingy work.
Not that the NYT is a hallmark of veracity these days.
Well, here’s a couple of things NOT to do this week, besides the obvious ones of not watching ABC or any of its affiliates. (Which really only matters, unfortunately, if you are a Nielson household).
-Don’t go to disneyland or any of its other theme parks
-Don’t go to the movies to see “Invincible”, “Step Up”, or” Pirates of the Caribbean”, all Disney/Buena Vista films
-Don’t rent any Disney films from blockbuster or netflix
I’m sure there must be more.
Show them the money…Not!
Train wrecks can’t be stopped while they’re happening.
With W signing on to this terra production, no way was ABC gonna pull it. Also the neocon-fundies had paid in full. ABC probably doctored just enough to make lawsuits against them a little harder to win.
But the catapult was already in mid-pitch. Can’t disappoint W when you’ve loaded the weapon and/or thrown-in the coal (depending upon which metaphor you like–either one is about irresistible momentum).
Craptastic! There’s the wind-up, and the pitch. The shit is on the way. The fan is spinning.
Wigwam @ 61
I think it’s being calculated in terms of the financial benefits of keeping the Republicans in power (and indebted to Disney). But if it doesn’t work, and the Democrats actually decide to play hardball for once…
maybe Disney was hoping to get an exclusive franchise for Baghdad-Disneyworld?
This shlockumentary is being broadcast commercial free, will be streamed on the net and will be a free iTunes download.
Follow the money.
And while you’re at it maybe we can find a way to torture Steve Jobs.
Eli @ 65
Probably be interesting to see whether or not Disney and its subs and execs donate to Dems this election cycle, just to hedge their bets. Money talks . . .
I’m still trying to coin a word to describe this piece of shit agit-prop. “Shlokudrama?” “Docuganda?”
BOYCOTT the ODIOUS MOUSE!! Pull the plug on Walt’s cryogenic kingdom. Devil take the hindmost!!
*ilson46201 @ 66
Iraqi Mouse?
Eli @ 70
The mouse that whored.
Sunniderella?
The Little Kurdmaid?
*ilson46201 @
65
Including such rides as It’s a Small Jihad After All and Blow You Into Space Mountain and Pirates of the Khyber Pass
Mr. Rove’s Wild Ride
Pirates of Fallujah ?
twolf1 @ 74
I was thinking Shi’ites Of The Caribbean would be catchier, albeit confusing.
Here, allow me:
http://www.fahrenheit911.com/
Great film.
Iger has lost his mind. That a company in this day and age could dig in its heels after such controversy and so many kinds of legal exposure is really a very astonishing to witness. Bad business, bad community relations, bad press, bad politiical fallout, bad legal vulnerability. Remarkable.
meta @ 78
As Digby pointed out, this is a potential branding disaster. That whole happy, innocent, wholesome, kid-friendly image gets seriously tarnished by this in-your-face Republican propaganda.
*ilson46201 @ 56
I think Hillary said it what, once, on January 27, 1998? And the VRWC was so shocked that they were labeled so clearly that they repeated it in a mocking tone, until it became well known that there really is a VRWC. Do I have that right?
meta — in 2004 I heard bootleg copies of F911 were being sold in the Green Zone in Baghdad so I knew the film was out there on the Innertubes or whatever. I ended up distributing for free 700 copies of the flick on cheap DVD-Rs before the election…
*atou @ 79
uh-huh !
Via DKos and Ameriblog…the number for Apple and complaints for Steve Jobs
408-996-1010
jmba @ 82
Has there been any response from Apple/Steve?
Christy Hardin Smith @
30
If I were them, I would have held a meeting at 3PM on Friday saying that their position was legally indefensible, and that was my final opinion on it. I would have then informed them that I was going home and taking my phone off the hook for the weekend. There’s no way I’d come in on a Saturday to deal with a totally avoidable crisis.
I’ve never done this before, but the world’s greatest Bush cartoon is on recommended diaries on DailyKos right now, “Fuckwit and the Talking Sandwich”. I can’t link, but can somebody link to it. This should be frontpaged on every progressive blog in the universe.
I haven’t heard of any response as of yet…..
Call me crazy, but both Clintons looked pretty pissed yesterday. Maybe that’s the intended effect. To draw them out of their triangulation mode so the right can continue on their Clinton rampage.
*ilson46201 @ 56
No I do not. But with her vote in favor of war with Iraq, and her continued support of the Bush Middle East policies, I cannot find it within to sympathize with the Senator. Hillary made a true statement about the ‘vast right wing conspiricay’. And I applauded her statement, con brio. But the worst right wing conspiracy in my view (Iraq and Lebanon) has happened under Clinton’s watch. Senator Clinton should have long ago, gone tooth and nail against the neo-con, right-wing, Pax Americana conspiracy in the Mideast. She abandoned her clarion call against the “conspiracy” (in my view her finest moment). She let her party down and much worse, the dead and maimed American soldiers in Iraq. With respect, I have to say I am aghast at Hillary’s behavior in support of the Bush foreign adventures. That’s the nub of my complaint against Hillary.
who is the parent company of nicolodean?
is it politically safe to replace our love for mickey with devotion and product buys to spongebob instead?
I like what rwcole suggested the other day. Which is cut off spending money on Dem campaign ads with ABC. Ouch.
meta @ 88
“Why are liberals so angry?”
*ilson46201 @
80
bravo, sir. I wish I had Netflixed it for the weekend.
If they are going ahead (and all indications are they will), then we need to organize a total boycott. Are there groups that can help spearhead this?
We must not only do this but if we are able to regain Congress (less likely if this lie airs and becomes the centerpiece of the right wing propaganda campaign – as they have planned it to be. If we do take Congress, we must pressure our dem leaders to push legislation that will force the dismantling of Disney (and other media giant).
The left has a short memory and the right a memory of, well,of an elephant. We must stay on this for the long haul.
Well, at least it’s becoming clear why ABC isn’t backing down. The whole thing is a big velvet pad for a Bush address. Yanking the show would leave naked the centerpiece of the whole extravaganza.
Rove probably has, if I may put it this way, ABC’s and Disney’s nuts in a vise.
Tom Kean’s performance in this whole affair has been beyond disappointing. A proverbial “tower of jello.”
…the Bush address would be a perfect time for him to announce that martial law was being imposed nationwide…wouldn’t it? (***Just kidding!!!***)
Mornin’ Dogs,
I stayed up too late last night. 2 cuppa’s and still groggy. Excellent LateNite though.
I have been having trouble with Firefox for a while and couldn’t delete it, until now.Sad I lost hundreds of bookmarks, But I will get them back. My point here is, When the new version of Firefox loaded,I went to the bookmarks immediately to store FDL. I noticed a folder marked ‘media’.Curious, I opened it up and lo and behold, Disney and ESPN are pre packaged.
Can you say…DELETE? LOL.
Wilbur @ 85
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..5011/39413
Does the ABC/Disney GOP-U-Drama answer the question…
…WHAT ABOUT WTC-7 ?
No plane crash…small fires…complete collapse at freefall speed !????!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01669.html
Christy Hardin Smith @ 30
Is it just me, or do you think the legal department at ABC must have been recently transplanted en masse from the Abu Gonzales DoJ? (Because what other lawyers would let their clients tempt disaster of this range and extent, prithee?
That’s the nub of my complaint against H–
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Bush imposing martial law? Him and which Army ?
Interesting interview with a general in a Va. paper saying Rumsfeld forbid post-war planning and would fire the next person who raised it.
His plan was to win militarily, and then cut and run. The Dems ought to be throwing this in Bush’s face.
http://www.dailypress.com/news…..idget-news
*ilson46201 @ 99
Doesn’t matter and don’t worry. They’ll just lock everybody up and then leave.
Eli @
78
It is a potential disaster. If they do proceed, we’re going to have to follow through, and continue the detsruction of their brand.
Think of the utlimate endorsement, the winner of the Superbowl and their “I’m going to Disney World” shout out. It would be great to make that sound like they are going a gulag.
It has to be a complete and total knockout. Changing the American preception of such an icon is going to take a lot of work.
Cozumel @ 90
Wow, now there’s an interesting idea.
Does anyone is there is a general Boycott Disney web site that will continue on into the future where we can share ideas and strategies for bringing them to their knees?
Is there still a EuroDisney? Let’s take it global.
Knot @ 89
knot:
yer safe, if you can call it that. nick is ppart of the viacom empire, i believe.
Michael Moore was also a triumph of capitalism, unfettered and unabashed in the marketplace of ideas.
You don’t like FH9/11, don’t pay money to see it.
ABC(Advancing Bush’s Cause) is using the US airwaves, mine and yours, for a propaganda piece that Leni Reifenstahl would be proud.
Let ABC make people pay for their propagandistic shitpile and we’ll see who is the better of the two.
-GSD
Connect the moles on Tom Keans face and they will spell out the Rove 2006 election strategy.
Another phony fraudster parading around under the cover of respectability.
New York Democrats, please go back and check out my campaign commercial for Hillary Clinton’s September 12th primary opponent, the progressive Jonathan Tasini, at 107, now that it’s out of moderation jail. If Hillary gets a message from all of our primary votes as she ponders a 2008 presidential run, your vote will not be in vain. C’mon, it’ll take 5 minutes on Tuesday.
ABC(Advancing Bush’s Cause) is using the US airwaves, mine and yours, for a propaganda piece that Leni Reifenstahl would be proud of.
I think you might be going a bit too far. Leni actually had talent.
bravo, GSD!
Letter I just sent to Byron Calame at the NYT:
Dear Mr. Calame,
In Jennifer Medina’s piece today on the Connecticut race for U.S. Senate, she terribly misrepresents the contents of Ned Lamont’s Sept. 16, 1998 letter to Sen. Joe Lieberman. Medina quotes Lamont as saying:
The letter in fact more fully reads:
The entire email is presented in image form right there alongside Mr. Medina’s misleading article.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09…..AMONT.html
Ms. Medina’s selective quoting Lamont’s letter leads the reader to believe that Lamont’s sentiment was current with the date of the letter, Sept. 16, while a proper reading of Lamont’s letter makes it clear that by Sept. 16 he had serious misgivings about Lieberman’s statements of moral outrage because the process had turned into destructive and vulgar distraction from more important issues.
Ms. Medina and her editor have clearly committed a grievous injury to your readers by spinning Lamont’s words to look like “gotcha” journalism, when the “gotcha” is so clearly contrived.
Please see to it that readers are made whole from this offense.
Kind regards,
Re: Farenheit 9/11. It was inflammatory, but used actual footage, not actors paid to conflate, inflate, deflate, flatulent material.
Actual footage = real documentary.
Docu-drama = Lies.
Moore is a lotta things, but not a Liar, that particular skill set leans right.
Americablog has picture of Aus. add…”The Path to 9/11..The story of exactly what happened.”
Disney and ESPN are pre packaged on Firefox?
Good-bye Firefox. See, what we’re learning is how embedded Disney is and how that just emboldens their arrogance. SCREW them.
For an alternate view on watching PT9/11:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..29038.html
BBC2 is also broadcasting this.
Let them know what you think.
Is this the best use of their licensing fees?
That’s the nub of my complaint against H–
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I find it amusing that THE CLINTON’S are blamed for Everything. Hillary love or hate her, I personally will VOTE for her if she runs and will do my BEST to help her get elected, Talk about payback. They ( RIGHT WINGS) took the whole world into her bedroom.
I sent a note to ABC indicating that not only did I decide NOT to buy the LOST Season 2 DVD set, I will no longer download LOST from iTunes like I did last season.
Which is not easy since I really like the show, but if this is how ABC and Disney and Steve Jobs want to operate, well then I can find the show on BitTorrent. Companies don’t listen to morals, just dollars. Unless of course those dollars are to pay for political ads they don’t like.
Why does Mickey Mouse hate America?
The affiliate here in EssEff (KGO-ABC7, an owned & operated network affiliate 415-954-7777) worked late last night replying to emails from viewers. The General Manager’s assistant told me in mid-afternoon that the GM was in a meeting about the miniseries, that the GM was forwarding all comments to the network, and that the GM would reply to emails before the end of the day.
I got a reply timestamped 9pm PDT. I also got replies from about half the network sponsors (real responses, not canned auto-bounces) and their tone struck me: these people are not used to hearing from US — they are used to hearing from the right and the fundies, organized around “indecency outrage” but not from citizens organized around thier demand for THE TRUTH. I reach this conclusion because of the tailored crafting of the responses AND the delay in the responses.
Additionally, I have replies from two KGO local sponsors who say they agree with me and have forwarded my concerns — with their own — to their corporate entity that makes ad placement decisions.
Please monitor your local ABC news broadcast sometime this weekend — whether a 30 minute program or a 3 minute on-the-hour update. Note their local sponsors. Search them out on the web, or in the phone book. Politely contact them and communicate your patriot’s outrage. Local advertisers who hear from local folks angry about ad placement on local productions can, I believe, have as much impact as emails to Bob Iger.
Finally, we’ve made a decision in our house that if ABC airs their tripe, we’ll cut up our Disney Chase credit cards and send the bits, along with our hard-earned Disney Fun Points, to Bob Iger via snail mail.
Thanks, Christy, for your tears and your outrage. We all have your heart, grrl. We are there for you and each other. We will prevail.
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meta @ 104
meta, there probably is some niche on the internet for a pre-existing boycott of disney — pity the baptists recently retired their boycott. THAT would have made for an interesting bedfellow.
but you raise a great point: eurodisney is still operating outside paris, though it’s certainly not financially robust. and i’m thinking the french and most of europe are not the biggest bush fans. i could be wrong, of course.
this is actually low-hanging fruit: a weak link in the disney empire, in indifferent to hostile territory. i just don’t know what kind of boycott tradition they have on the continent.
and before any mba’s tell me that disney doesn’t have that big a stake in eurodisney any more, i would note, even if that’s true, it’s not about the money. it’s about the BRAND.
New York Democrats, please go back and check out my campaign commercial for Hillary Clinton’s September 12th primary opponent, the progressive Jonathan Tasini, at 107, now that it’s out of moderation jail. If Hillary gets a message from all of our primary votes as she ponders a 2008 presidential run, your vote will not be in vain. C’mon, it’ll take 5 minutes on Tuesday.
Remember when Michael Moore hired actors who looked just like Donald Rumsfeld and Saddam Hussein and videotaped them shaking hands for a “former congressman shakes hands with latter day Hitler” photo-op moment in order to smear and sully Donald Rumsfeld with guilt by association?
-GSD
Slightly OT – thinkprogress:
Taylor has John Kerry’s speech from Faneuil hall up.
http://www.taylormarsh.com/
Eli @ 108
Notice I said the “propaganda” would make Riefenstahl proud not the hackutastic production efforts.
-GSD
Dave (99); Pam (116). Ditto zzzzzzzzz.
I like the fact that Clinton says, fix it or don’t air it. That gives an option outside of censorship, linked to the truth. That seems very admirable. Not reactionary but sensible.
A great quote on the coming libel trials:
“As someone just mentioned to me, when this is all over ABC is going to stand for Albright, Berger and Clinton.”
Disney is going to regret this….oh they are going to regret this..that rat is going to drown in a sea of rightwing hubris and corporate arrogance.
-GSD
Where does one find this context that magically provides for fitting fantasy into reality.
The main reason I am so angry about this is that when they did it in 2004 they got away with influencing an election in the USA through propaganda. One of the many myths of America is that such things cannot happen here.
Knot @ 89
According to NOW’s Digital TV Project, Viacom is the ultimate parent for Nick.
If people are going to boycott Disney; take the family, friends, partners, to a national park. The parks need you. The kids will probably be unhappy because the stuff is real, but some of my fondest memories are road trips with parents and usually the maternal gm to national parks in the 1950’s.
OfT (or is this a GOP lies-and-misinformation topic thread?)
Master Kos makes the fine print in Conrad Burns’ new attack ad:
http://www.conradburns.com/sig…..aspx?id=31
It would seem that those who would vote for Hillary in New York, and unless the Senator changes her mind on her support for the Bush neo-con policies in the Middle East, between now and her 2008 bid for president, by implication support the lunatic Bush Iraq war and in general this guy’s Mideast policies. I have to wonder about how our dead soldiers and their families would feel about those who blindly support the Bush Iraq war policies. There is no more important issue, than dying in an unjust and contrived war.
Teddy @ 118:
Local advertisers who hear from local folks angry about ad placement on local productions can, I believe, have as much impact as emails to Bob Iger.
I believe it is much more impact. Hit ‘em where it hurts!
Frightening to think that the UNCRITICAL Tom Kean co-chaired the 9/11 Commission. After acting as advisor to the movie and in his interview supporting the ABC movie, he said he had NOT SEEN THE FINAL CUT. I guess, by ABC’s standards, Tom Kean should not comment on the movie until he se sees it. Earth to Tom Kean: You have been duped!!!!
The following is my letter to Disney. If there’s anything I didn’t cover…any action I can take that will drive this point home more thoroughly, please advise:
Steve @
58
Steve, I agree. Anything that will wakeup our Dem leaders is to the good.
“We’ve” been screaming for the last five years about how our country’s been sacked by Bush and supporters, with very little joining in by our Democratic leaders. In a way, I also blame them a little for the mess we’re in. They – mostly – sat back and watched as Bush and his people have systematically dismantled our country. Even though we don’t have the British system of a Shadow Cabinet, surely there should have been a LOT more criticizing by the Dems.
OT a little–
Some sobering words here found at Huffington Post:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..29056.html
CLK @ 134
Has Tom Kean Jr., Republican challenger for Menedez’ NJ Senate seat, been put on the spot yet to defend or repudiate this dog his dad is so intimately associated with?
I will never watch ABC again, if they go ahead with this film.
Okay, I’ll qualify that. I’ll watch to find out who the local advertisers are, to organize boycotts unless they stop advertising on the local affiliate; and the national advertisers to stop using their products.
Heard a bit of a gooper talk show last night while driving home from LA (ugh). Gooper dickwad was describing the ABC issue as one of free speech- and the dems as advocates of censorship. Funny as hell!
I just blocked my ABC affiliate on my DISH receiver and I’m blocking all the Disney channels now. I don’t know if they track this stuff but it sure makes me feel better.
Three channels done so far.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 132
I’d say it’s a tossup; killing in an unjust war is pretty bad too. We have one day of horror we will never forget, in Baghdad it keeps going on and on. I read Riverbend’s blog when I can stand it. We are letting BushCo use our kids to do this in our name. Dem isn’t enough, got to be anti-war.
Support our troops at AnySoldier.com and bring them home soon.
rw at 140 — I’ve gotten many of those wingnut e-mails already. Sure, they can lie all they want and call it free speech — but I am equally allowed to call them liars at the top of my lungs. And others who may be misportrayed in the movie are allowed to hire a lawyer to call them defamers and sue the pants off Mickey Mouse if they so choose. Nice free country we have here. *g*
Nice free country we have here.
Be a shame if something was to happen to it…
911 Commish Chairman Thomas Kean makes it into CorpWatch “war profiteers car deck” as the “five of spades:”
As Kurt Nimmo opined a couple of years back,
Ari spelled it out at the outset: “O.I.L.“
Since Keane is using his position as 911 commissioner and advisor to defame democrats and help his son’s senate race, don’t you think it’s time to return the favor and make damn sure his son loses in November?
Eli @ 144
Something has happened to it, for the last 5.75 years. Had enough?
(Must be almost Howie time!)
So much already written this chuckle due to Variety may have already been mentioned:
My emphasis.
If there are ever war crimes trials, respective of Iraq, Lebanon or anywhere else, and I surely hope there are, anyone, regardless of political party should be held accountable. And though I would be termed a left-wing, ultra-progressive Democrat perhaps, I want the chips to fall where they may. Anything less would be unsatisfactory.
HotFlash @ 142
I agree with both of you and Riverbend has not posted since August 5th with her “Summer of Goodbyes” post.
By the way, ladies and gay Americans, Dinesh D’Souza says that your freedoms caused the terrorists to hate America and that caused them to attack America on 9/11.
The Falwellian Logic of Dinesh.
Oh yeah, and the Doughy Pantload says you are all Nazis too.
-GSD
Interesting choice of words, isn’t it? Sounds sort of like he’s representing Paula Jones, doesn’t it?
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 133
I have been surprised by the swift and sympathetic responses I’ve gotten from advertisers as diverse as Red Lobster (corporate) and Mitsubishi car dealerships (locally). Or, maybe I shouldn’t be surprised — these are patriotic Americans responding to my emails, whose lives were touched, as were all of ours, by 9/11 in ways large and small.
Unrelenting pressure may not make the Mouse change its mind, but universal shame surely will make the Mouse regret NOT changing its mind!
I did so last night. How come, I asked, their only mention of the controversy didn’t appear on their news pages until late last night and didn’t mention:
* that the BBC is also showing it
* that in the face of massive negative publicity ABC is conducting an 11th-hour 59th-minute edit
* ABC’s strange review copy distribution decisions (various conservative commentators have already panned the show; liberal commentators can only comment on what they’ve heard from others, since – like most of the characters portrayed – they were not allowed to see preview copies)
* whether the BBC intends to show the Rush Limbaugh version or the Rush Edit version
* the far-right and Christian wingnut background of the miniseries’ writer, director and others involved in the production
* ABC’s defence of scenes that they subsequently decided to edit or cut
* the denial by ABC *News* that they were either involved or consulted
* that a number of eminent historians are amongst the many who have written to Disney and/or ABC demanding the miniseries’ revision or withdrawal
* ABC’s changing description of the miniseries, which has morphed in the last few days from “drama documentary based on the 9/11 Commission Report” to “fictionalised account”
* the Scholastic debacle, involving the sudden withdrawal of all the tie-in teaching materials – to be replaced, apparently, although it hasn’t happened yet, with teaching materials that are supposed to teach kids how to identify bias
The BBC News story, in the usual bland-to-the-point-of-dishonesty BBC style, merely told us of the protests of several libeled Clinton aides and of ABC’s “it’s irresponsible to criticize when you haven’t seen the final version” defence.
Has …andyourlittledogtoo been around? Can’t recall seeing her lately.
Wigwam @ 60
Still working my way through the comments but I think this is an excellent point. Disney refused to let Miramax distribute the liberal Fahrenheit 911 which went on to be the most porfitable documentary ever made and then turns around and finances this piece of conservative manure. Where is the fiduciary responsibility? Is Disney a stockholder owned publically traded corporation or is it a political PAC?
Hi everyone
Was really disappointed to hear that they’re going through with this crappola.
Question:
How do I find the names of the companies Disney owns?
I’d hate to inadvertantly give them my moey because I was unaware Disney owned them.
Any suggestions?
Thanks.
money, oops!
Do you suppose Iger and Mitchell and Jobs are done thinking about this, or are they still deciding what to do? Clearly, the decision is now at the Board of Directors level. Has a decision been made, do you think? Is ABC’s decision to air their tripe set in stone?
Sunday night – isn’t that the time slot for “Desperate Housewives”, a docudrama far superior in accuracy and craftsmanship to it’s insipid preemptor.
in case nobody on this thread has mentioned it wolcott has another great post up. it’s about how to spend your reflection time over the next few days. be sure and check it out.
I’ve decided that I shall most miss “Jeopardy” which airs at 7pm on my local ABC affiliate. Perhaps there’s a way to say “au revoir” to Alex Trebek on the Jeopardy website. I’m going to check….
Here’s a list of assets owned by Disney from Answers.com.
Redd—nothing shifts around quite as much as the desire for “free speech”. Christo-fascists want it for themselves but they sure as hell don’t want it for anyone else- except of course in “Free Speech Zones” somewhere in the arctic circle.
op99: I can’t get to the link for your Tasini commercial. I am still undecided how I am voting Tuesday..
Also, I am on board with the ABC/Disney boycott (it will be hard with grey’s Anatomy and my ipod), but I am also really, really pissed at the actors involved in this project. I will never support their works again.
Lou Costello @ 97: What about WTC-7?
Check out http://www.physics911.net; there area couple of videos of squibs (small explosions preceding collapse indicative of placed charges) coming out of WTC-7, and some what seems to me actual physics (I’m not a scientist) about the speed of collapse of all three buildings also being indicative of demolition.
LindyH @ 135
Great post Lindy. Starve the mouse!
Another way to hurt: Lots of groups have large trust funds. Big donors often specify that the principal is to be invested — these investment portfolios can be *huge*. Disney stock is a favourite because it is blue chip and considered ‘good’, ie, not weapons mfgr or such. If you have any clout with organizations like that — church, Girl Scout boards, private schools and colleges, envirnmental groups, orchestras — ask them if they own any Disney stock, and suggest that they should they unload it for moral or financial reasons. I have a feeling DIS is going to tank!
LindyH, adding my voice to those approving of your letter.
Eli @ 78
The branding disaster extends not just to Disney but with Kean’s participation to the 911 Commission and its report. Expect people to look with a more jaundiced eye at the other members, the “bipartisanship”, and anything that has to do with either Clinton or Bush contained in the report (which is a lot of it).
UptownNYChick @ 165
It’s the first thing on his homepage at the moment. I see it as, he won’t win, but if he gets a respectable showing, Hillary has to pay more attention to the Democratic wing of the Democratic party.
Starve the Mouse.
Sounds like a new rallying cry.
Also, that Walcott is a must read folks.
-GSD
Question:
How do I find the names of the companies Disney owns?
I’d hate to inadvertantly give them my moey because I was unaware Disney owned them.
Any suggestions?
Thanks.
trublue: this should get you started.
remember especially the book imprints, and the film studios and cable properties (espn especially).
http://corporate.disney.go.com…..rview.html
MSNBC has FBI agent on now about why he quit the production – good stuff.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 27
In fact, yesterday several posted in response to a much more civil question on the very subject. Christy posted her views, as did I, as did several others. This troll is not merely insulting, it is just plain wrong. An honest human being would be ashamed.
Our biggest success in Iraq to date? To drive Iraq into the arms of the Shites in Iran. Iraq prime minister will make a “cordial” visit to Iran. Well done, George W. Bush and all your Republican AND Democrat collaborators.
op99, li’l dog and Mr. were heading out on a multi-day biz trip, last I heard. Kinda thought they might be home by now, though.
matt @ 173
It’s a nice idea, but I have had these people tell me 1. Saddam Hussein DID have weapons of mass destruction, 2. He moved them to syria before the war, 3. they are burried in the sand, 4. the intelligence that we had was Clinton’s fault, 5. We are winning in Afghanistan, 6. we are winning in Iraq.
They are talking AT us, how exactly do we talk WITH them?
HotFlash @
168
Thanks. I don’t have that kind of influence, which won’t keep me from at least contacting these organizations (*g* I have no inhibitions about that…and I buy girl scout cookies, and attend concerts and work for a college). Thank God that in OUR America, I don’t need to do it all…just my part.
“numerous factual errors and inaccuracies about the fbi operation”
“It was originally titled as a history project and that’s why I came on board”
“They name and portray various FBI agents in this film but never spoke to them”
IS that a *troll* at 173?
op99 @ 171
thanks, I will think about it.
“On one totally fabricated scene they (the director and …) seemed totally irate that I had raised the quesion”
“I think it contains a lot of fabricated history”
all from FBI agent who quit Path to 9/11 project.
Christy and Mary–
IANAL, but as soon as I heard that ABC refused to give copies of the movie to Albright, Berger, and Clinton, it seemed clear to me that this was on the advice of its legal department rather than (solely) out of pure rat-bastardness. The controversy by then was in full bloom, and “public figure” defense or no, ABC lawyers were not about to let network staff hand Exhibit A to a set of potential plaintiffs.
ABC then immediately and predictably retrenched to a “We can’t! We’re still editing!” stance. The uncomfortable reality of all those review copies sent to right-wing blogs and pundits was a secondary problem they’d have to explain away as unclumsily as they could manage. At worst, they’ll have to let a few “overzealous” folks in the marketing department twist in the wind. Embarrassing, but not mortally.
That’s been my take, anyway.
lotus @ 178
Thanks – Li’l Dog’s is one of my favorite handles on FDL, and seeing ifthethunderdontgetya commenting reminded me of her.
it took a few days, but folks on the frontline finally started asking at least some of the right questions. like, whose money is funding this fiasco?
now that we know the answer to that question, at least enough to satisfy strong suspicions, it’s time to ask the next good question.
namely, what’s in it for abc/disney? what is the payoff here? why would they risk SO much on this unmitigated piece of crap?
here are some suggestions posed by joseph cannon at cannonfire.blogspot.com:
abc/disney wants copyright protection. they want media ownership rules killed. they want china to play nice and let them build their theme parks and sell their animated flicks without having to pay a fortune for the privilege.
these deals represent billions and billions of dollars annually, folks. and apparently abc is willing to do the nasty to keep the repugs in power so they’ll get these things.
bad pr? pfft. lawsuits? pfft. they got dollar signs in their eyes and the sound of cha-ching in their ears and the smell of money in their disgusting pig grunt noses.
I’m going to miss Lost, and I’m going to miss my local ABC newscast, but I warned them and I meant it. Bastards.
HotFlash @ 182
If so, just an itty bitty one.
To repeat myself, where the hay-ell was Disney?ABC’s LEGAL DEPARTMENT when this got the green light? Jeez, you don’t have to be a first-day law student to see all the corporate risk here!
matt @ 173
I assume by “these guys” you mean the corporations involved? If so, then there is no talking to them in some idealistic sense. Corporations only listen to money and power (but I repeat myself). They couldn’t care less what we have to say, they only care about maximizing profit. It’s the entire purpose for being a corporation.
This goes double for Disney, which has had strong right-wing leanings from the very start, and are even less inclined than normal to listen when it’s lefties doing the talking. They’ll listen to the money, though, whether it’s in the left or right pocket.
However, when you withold your business, it is important to tell them why so that they know what they have to do to recapture it.
matt @ 167
sorry, that one plumb eludes me……..
Okay, Mickey Mouse, et al and ABC are dead in my household!!!
Ugh, I want to boycott ABC and Apple, but I love “Lost” and my iPod. How shallow is that?
MysteriousTraveler @ 163
Thank you very much! I appreciate it.
LindyH @ 180
You’d be surprised. If you’ve ever bought a cookie or a symphony ticket , made a donation or been asked for one, you have clout. And it is not that you have to coerce anyone — just draw their attn to it. A letter to the board is good, or the treasurer. IIRC, lots of churches were unpleasantly surprised to discover they had Litton stock and Krugerrands. They just had never thought about it before. As I said, Disney is considered a “nice” stock, but maybe they haven’t heard about what happened this week. Starve the mouse!
fahreneder, I wonder if “Matt” is that same pesky sockpuppet around here a few hours ago.
dr. elsewhere @ 187
Gosh, does Disney have any interest in regulating the Internet?
EPU’ed from yesterday:
Randi Rhodes was playing the audio this afternoon from an ad by the Orwellian “Progress for America” astroturf group, that’s playing in Missouri, I think. It starts off with a scary “there are people who want to kill us,” but then it goes on to talk about how through the embassy bombing, the 1993 WTC attack, the Cole, our government did little, before going on to how great it is that Bush has killed some bad guys.
I noticed an eerie similarity to the portrayal of events in the mockumentary. I know it’s because it’s the standard right-wing “it’s not our fault” line, but they’re going to be hammering hard on this narrative, and this piece of trash is part of it.
After we get done killing the ABC crap, we need to take the gloves off. We’ve gotta stop defending against bogus right-wing history, and start hammering that it happened on their watch, that they screwed up, that if you fail to defend the country, it’s your fault, not the guy who left office eight months ago. “Respect for the office of the president”? They flushed that down the toilet a long time ago.
Redshift @ 188
I thought about not watching it on teevee and waiting for the DVD.
But, alas, it’s produced by Buena Vista.
So goodbye Lost.
Take comfort in that it wasn’t all that last season.
dmg @ 174
trublue: this should get you started.
remember especially the book imprints, and the film studios and cable properties (espn especially).
http://corporate.disney.go.com…..rview.html
Thank you, too!
Boy, everyone here is so helpful! :)
Joyce H @ 31
Here’s my guess: these miscreant Busheviks just know in their heart of hearts that Clinton=Albright-Berger & the rest really were responsible for 9-11. Ok, maybe there’s no evidence, but that just means they were clever about concealing it, see? These guys know that it happened that way, it had to, and by God, they’re going to tell the truth, no matter what.
Heroes in their own eyes.
Blue America is up, gang — please stop by and say hello to today’s candidate: Roger Sharpe. Please give him a big FDL welcome!
trueblue @ 199
Thank you, too!
Boy, everyone here is so helpful! :)
Hey, we’re on a mission from Jane and Christy!
trueblue @ 201
Thank you, too!
Boy, everyone here is so helpful! :)
trueblue, no prob.
actually, mysterious traveller’s posting was more complete. it jogged my recall of a couple of properties i had forgotten about.
now, if we really want to put our money where our mouths are we can start shorting the stock (symbol: DIS). that may or may not be a good idea financially. any takers?
for the risk averse: it’ll be educational just to watch the financial pages or go to yahoo finance (etc) and see what happens to it over the next few weeks.
So, let me get this straight: Mr. Make Up Your Own Reality to Fit Your Politics refuses to allow people to see a film that reportedly defames them, and then complains that they have no right to talk about the defamatory film because he has refused to allow them to see it. Anyone see any logic there at all beyond “Hello, I am a petulant moron who has been called on my immature, lying, craptastic film, and now I’m going to whine about my bruised ego.”? (And while we are at it, the director of this partisan extravaganza is giving an interview to a college newspaper in Alabama?!? Who in the hell is doing PR for this turd of a film, anyway?)
Aaah, Mel Gibson? The modified, limited rollout strategy has his fingerprints all over it. It’s the one he designed for Passion of the Christ as Frank Rich noticed. I’m not above seeing a connection by way of YMAM or even from up close, over hard liquor.
It’s safe to assume by now that that whatever you hear or read in the press is coached by defamation/first amendment lawyers. Cunningham’s “he said/she said” remark signals ABC’s gambit: trim down the anti-Clinton agitprop and frame the program as “just a point of view.” Idea: defend against a defamation suit. The NY Times v. Sullivan decision, on defamation of public figures, instructs courts to protect political opinion.
NYC tidbit. Today’s NY Daily News headline on 9/11 read: “The truth hurts. The lies hurt even more.” It keys to a lead story by Juan Gonzalez, Amy Goodman’s sidekick on Democracy Now.
Juan’s story was on the asbestos cover-up. It’s a good’n, but what I like most is how, as I see it, he managed to get in a sly dig against ABC to those in the know. Attaway!
Everyone knows that what keeps the islamofascists from attacking is good christofascists “supporting” the Clusterfuck President. It’s like concentrating real hard to keep the wings of the airplane from falling off.
America has become a very strange place- where desiring things magically makes them appear!- and FEARING things- magically makes them go away!
Fuckin bunch of shit for brains people!
Let’s have a “fascists of the book” ecumenical movement. If they all get together somewhere for a two week conference- they’ll discover that they all want about the same thing- the dark ages!
I’m usually a lurker and rarely comment here but this thing has my knickers in a twist.
Steve Jobs is the biggest stockholder in Disney and we should definitely get on his case.
sjobs@mac.com
He’s a good guy and maybe just needs to be gently prodded.
Elsewhere, the lede story in tomorrow’s NYT has this headline:
In Remote Prison, Disputes Flared Over Interrogations
and Raw Story has this:
Dean: ‘Who funded this $40 million dollar slanderous propaganda?’
JeffC @ 192
It doesn’t count as a boycott if you’re not giving something up you otherwise like. I couldn’t boycott Coors Beer because I always thought they should have left it in the horse. I can and do boycott Domino’s, because I used to buy it. I won’t miss Lost or Desperate Housewives or Grey’s Anatomy because I stopped watching them last year, but damn! I’m going to miss a couple of the shows on Lifetime. Thank heavens Disney only owns a minority stake in A&E and the Biography channel. I can therefore continue to watch Midsomer Murders and Poirot on the grounds that it wouldn’t be fair to punish the other owners for Disney’s sins. *g*
The silence from Steve Jobs, George Mitchell, and Lee Hamilton is quite deafening this week.
What all real Americans should be watching Sun/Mon nites:
Baseball.
Giants/Padres Sunday, Mets/Fish on Monday (or, if you swing that way, Yankees/Baltimore).
HEY there, BarbaraB, how you?
flowah!
Don’t want to immortalize this on the Blue America thread, but doesn’t Roger Sharpe’s opponent sound like a retired porn star – Virginia Foxx?
meta says:
September 9th, 2006 at 9:45 am
Earthlink/IE comes with a prepackaged folder labeled ‘Media’ which includes amongh many others, Disney and ESPN.
I renamed the folder and stuck it down at the bottom of the list of favorites, jsut because I’d rather use my own bookmarks. I suspect a lot of USPs (and browsers) come with presets for the less-techie types.
from redshift @ 11:03:
During the Katrina debacle, I held out some hope for the media with their reporting and reactions and responses. That hope was stifled, as were the voices of outrage. This is going to have to be a “boots on the ground” campaign of talking to individuals.
Hotflash, do you mind if I borrow “Starve the Mouse!” for teeshirts? I have blanks and iron-ons. I’m also printing copies of a couple of handouts explaining what is at issue here, what can be done about it, and contact information from disney, sponsors, schools, affiliates, government agencies, etc. and will be walking my neighborhood and leaving them in mailboxes (with the help of my sons). We also have a neighborhood association meeting coming up in a week. I’m trying to get on the agenda to address this.
This movie will be crushed in the ratigns by the first weekend of the NFL. The first Monday night during football season in 30 years without MNF on ABC and they’ve come up with this crap?
Howard Cosell is probably spinning in his grave.
RickD,
Who has MNF now?
Is it ESPN?
If so, that’s Disney owned and also shouldn’t be watched.
op99 @ 215
yup. it’s time to retire her from congress now.
angie @
150
Teddy love –
‘Ere, let’s celebrate!
TeddySanFran @ 220
The past two sessions of congress have been pornographic, haven’t they?
op99 @ 224
Lord yes, and I’m discounting the Limo co. scandal (the thought of some of those men naked burns my inner eye).
lotus @ 215
Way too busy, thank you kindly for asking. In fact, I have to go out for a while, but I’ll try to catch up later. How’s by you?
Bustednuckles @ 95
Busted: There is a backup bookmark file in Firefox. It is somewhere down in the depths of the firefox folder, and I can’t remember where it is at the moment, but you can go to the help page at Mozilla and find out how to get to it. Somewhere in the “chrome” directory if I remember correctly. But don’t take my word on it.
I think I’m as angry as I have ever been at the industry that pays my bills. I just cleaned out all of my 15 month old daughter’s books and toys from Disney. Went right into the trash.
One thing for sure – this whole little event just confirmed to me that we’re going to become a Tivo family, so that “accidentally” watching a program on ABC or Disney just doesn’t happen anymore in our house.
New Disney logo ideas, do with them what you will:
http://i114.photobucket.com/al…..gusted.jpg
http://i114.photobucket.com/al…..mation.jpg
Cheers!
Jenius @ 229
Thank you. I need to find that font for my starve the mouse teeshirt.
Redshift @ 10:55am (#188)
Ditto, except for the local news. I won’t miss KOMO’s corporate shilling.
I wrote this to them yesterday. So far, no reply.
Here’s another angle of attack on ABC/Disney — let’s enlist the good people at American Airlines, ask them to protect their brand and their Boston employees from libel.
Here’s the comment I wrote at the CONTACT US/CUSTOMER SERVICE tab at http://www.aa.com/
Please take a moment to enlist a potential ally in our fight with the Mouse. American Airlines really could engage on this in the next 36 hours if enough emails reach them through their website, don’t you think? While ABC apparently doesn’t care about pissing off Albright, Berger, Clinton, and a bunch of lefty bloggers — they might think twice about pissing off another Corporation.
Try it.
Kind mod, could you please spring my 224 so Teddy can see what I’m trying to pass him before it burns down to my finger-petals? Thanks!
BarbaraB, fine here, and also about to go erranding. Hope to intersect with you back here later.
Christy,
Thanks for two great essays here this morning. Your morning post brought all that back to me. For a few days we were shocked into a kind of desperate hope for a unifying theme. For me it was as sad to see that feeling disappear as it was to see the September 11 tragedies happen in the first place.
Thanks, again.
Several comments have discussed a potential libel suit and this post links to Prof. Froomkin’s thoughts on the issue as well.
On thing to keep in mind is that ABC has already committed libel by publishing intentionally false and maliciously harmful statements about President Clinton, and Clinton officials, to thousands (if not tens of thousands) of people – mostly ABC’s Republican allies. ABC does not necessarily need to broadcast its libel to millions on the public airways to commit libel. A direct mail broadcast to the thousands or so viewers to whom ABC directly targeted its intentional lies will suffice.
In fact, I suspect that when the revisionist bloggers, right wing propagandists and other extremists wackos who received ABC’s initial broadcast package in the mail — with the most dishonest scenes intact — they proceeded to watch it without the worthless disclaimer ABC now says it will run when it airs its 9-11 disparagement hit piece. Indeed, to these people, a disclaimer would be seen as a signal to push the lies even harder in publicizing the libel so the broader public would become immune to a disclaimer’s cautioning. Certainly one measure of proof and damages of ABC’s libel is, after showing it to its select group of dissembling Republican operatives and right-wing fantasy entertainers like Rush Limbaugh, these same people started repeating ABC’s knowing lies about Clinton and those who worked for him in that administration’s legitimate effort to go after Bin Laden.
ABC can just as easily libel President Clinton or Sandy Berger by publishing an intentionally malicious falsehood about them to Rush Limbaugh, which Rush views in his Florida mansion, as it can by broadcasting it into Malachy Moriarty’s living room in Peoria, Indiana. The damages and measure of proof may in fact be better with the former rather than the latter.
Even if this Disney/ABC sponsored — and GOP coordinated attack ad against the Democrats — is edited into oblivion, (or just partially edited), a libel case exists regardless of whether ABC goes forward with a nationally broadcast full-Monty libel over the public airways. Disney’s intentional lies have already been published and they continue to spread aggressively.
ABC’s continued acknowledgement of both the falsity of the claims against Clinton and its intention to air the libel is only adding to the measure of damages since:
(1) ABC continues to promote and therefore intentionally cause the compounding of damage against the named individuals despite proof that it knows the claims are false and;
(2) Recognizing the rapidly compounding damage to these people’s reputations, it is doing nothing to mitigate the damages to them thus demonstrating a heightened level of maliciousness on the part of ABC/DISNEY toward specific members of the Clinton administration.
slainte,
cl
Caoimhin Laochdha, GREAT to see you again, and I very much hope that a number of judges will agree with your analysis!
I think everyone should book massive vacations into the theme park…and then cancel them.
This is going to make my DVD buying (~100/year)a little bit more complex as I’m going to have to look at who made/distributed the film, but it’ll be a pleasure to deny the mouse my money. Already have deleted ABC from my TV remotes, I don’t do Apple OR Windows (except on this creaky old machine), and any idea of visiting mouseland is out of the question. Oh, and since I’m getting a new car this year, I’ll be certain to find out which dealers advertise on our local ABC affiliate, and avoid (and tell them why). I think that’s okay for starters, before I really get mad.
I’m sure you heard this story but just in case….
The heartbreaking words of a grieving father who watched the slow, painful death of his Ground Zero hero son captivated yesterday’s congressional hearing to probe the government’s response to health risks after 9/11.
Joseph Zadroga described how his son, NYPD Detective James Zadroga, 34, died next to his 4-year-old daughter in January after fruitlessly seeking treatment for months for his failing health.
“We watched him progressively getting worse until he died at home, on the floor of his bedroom with his daughter sleeping on the bed,” Zadroga said, wiping away tears.
The medical examiner in Ocean County, N.J., determined that Zadroga’s death was directly linked to his 500 hours of work at Ground Zero. But the city refused to recognize his death as being in the line of duty.
Then Joseph Zadroga, like many others who spoke yesterday at the day-long special hearing in Manhattan, blasted Christie Whitman, then-head of the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, for falsely reassuring people like his son that the air around Ground Zero was safe.
“I think she should go to jail,” Zadroga said.
http://www.nydailynews.com/fro…..9414c.html
I usually read posting and comments first but just can’t today (preping my radio program for tomorrow) so pardon me if this has been raised before but it would be great if someone found the famous picture of Bring Em On George giving the finger to the camera and added a smiling Mickey standing by his side, maybe gloved hand on GW’s shoulder and an approving smile. I’m Photoshop ignorant but I bet it would get wide circulation and it carries just the right message.
Many are wondering how a defamation action against PT911 looks from down in the trenches. You can’t do better than “Defamation Law and Procedure re PT9/11″ by The Crusty Bunker, posted today on KOS. The link is: http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:66265.
Robbie @
241
Well, I don’t know what the copyright laws are for that. I bet their legal team does.
Hey, this Path to 9/11 movie is the best written thing in the world. Yummy!
twolf1 @
1
When will people stop leaving these stupid “Fitz!” comments to FDL articles that have nothing to do with Fitzgerald or Plamegate? If you don’t have anything relevant to say, don’t say it.twolf1 @
1
John Kerry is the bravest, gentlest, warmest, most wonderful human being I ever voted for! Even more than Big Dog, his own bad self!
Creeping Truth @ 242
Thanks for that link. Fascinating.
I think it is a great idea that Clinton and their cabinet members bring a suit for libel regarding the “Path to 9-11″ docudrama.
I am going to take the liberty to suggest a few witnesses for the trial.
Number 1) At the top of the list I would put Air Force Lieutenant Colonel Robert “Buzz” Patterson.
Patterson was a military aide to President Clinton from May 1996 to May 1998 and one of five individuals entrusted with carrying the “nuclear football”—the bag containing the codes for launching nuclear weapons. He is also the author of the book “Dereliction of Duty”.
http://www.buzzpatterson.com/a…..mp;par06=0
at the beginning of chapter seven the book describes the following event,
http://www.floppingaces.net/20…..-of-truth/
The White House Situation Room was buzzing. It was fall 1998 and the National Security Council (NSC) and the “intelligence community” were tracking the whereabouts of Osama bin Laden, the shadowy mastermind of terrorist attacks on American targets overseas. “They’ve successfully triangulated his location,” yelled a “sit Room” watch stander. We’ve got him.”
Beneath the West Wing of the White House, behind a vaulted steel door, the Sit Room staff sprang into action. The watch officer notified National Security Advisor Sandy Berger, “Sir, we’ve located bin Laden. We have a two-hour window to strike.”
Characteristic of the Clinton Administration, the weapons of choice would be Tomahawk missiles. No penetrating bombers or high-speed fighter aircraft flown by our Air Force and Navy forces. No risk of losing American lives.
Berger ambled down the stairwell and entered the Sit Room. He picked up the phone at one of the busy controller consoles and called the President. Amazingly, President Clinton was not available. Berger tried again and again. Bin Laden was within striking distance. The window of opportunity was closing fast. The plan of attack was set and the Tomahawk crews were ready. For about an hour Berger couldn’t get the commander-in-chief on the line. Though the President was always accompanied by military aides and the Secret Service, he was shomehow unavailable. Berger stalked the Sit Room, anxious and impatient.
Finally, the President accepted Berger’s call. There was discussion, there were pauses- and no decision. The President wanted to talk with his secretaries of defense and state. He wanted to study the issue further. Berger was forced to wait. The clock was ticking. The president eventually called back. He was still indecisive. He wanted more discussion. Berger alternated between phone calls and watching the clock.
The NSC watch officer was convinced we had the right target. The intelligence sources were conclusive. The President, however, wanted a guaranteed hit or nothing at all.
This time, it was nothing at all. We didn’t pull the trigger. We “studied” the issue until it was too late- the window of opportunity closed. Al-Qaeda’s spiritual and organizational leader slipped through the noose.
This lost bin Laden hit typified the Clinton Administration’s ambivalent, indecisive way of dealing with terrorism. Ideologically, the Clinton Administration was committed to the idea that most terrorists were misunderstood, had legitimate grievances, and could be appeased, which is why such military action as the Administration authorized was so halfhearted, and ineffective, and designed more for “show” than for honestly eliminating a threat.
Witness number 2 for the libel suit: The producer of the following news report for NBC news.
NBC News on the tracking of OBL by the Clinton Administration
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4540958/
NBC News has obtained, exclusively, extraordinary secret video, shot by the U.S. government. It illustrates an enormous opportunity the Clinton administration had to kill or capture bin Laden. Critics call it a missed opportunity. In the fall of 2000, in Afghanistan, unmanned, unarmed spy planes called Predators flew over known al-Qaida training camps.
.., that fall, the Predator captured even more extraordinary pictures — a tall figure in flowing white robes. Many intelligence analysts believed then and now it is bin Laden.
The tape proves the Clinton administration was aggressively tracking al-Qaida a year before 9/11. But that also raises one enormous question: If the U.S. government had bin Laden and the camps in its sights in real time, why was no action taken against them?
Witness number 3 for the libel suit: Michael Scheuer, who left the CIA in 2004 after 22 years with the agency. He was the CIA‘s man in charge of tracking Osama bin Laden and what he was up to.
The following is part of a transcript of an interview with Mr. Scheuer broadcasted on MSNBC.
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9005619/
O‘DONNELL: But many people have made the impression that something in the Bush administration was done wrong. But there‘s evidence that the Clinton administration knew full well that bin Laden had the wherewithal and was planning to attack the United States. Who is to blame and did the president, Clinton, get this information?
SCHEUER: Certainly the president got the information. And most certainly his closest adviser, Sandy Berger and Mr. Clarke—Richard Clarke, had the information from 1996 forward that bin Laden intended to attack the United States. There‘s no question of that. And in terms of which administration had more chances, Mr. Clinton‘s administration had far more chances to kill Osama bin Laden than Mr. Bush has until this day.
O‘DONNELL: That‘s very interesting. I don‘t think that many Americans know that or think that everything that they‘ve heard—you‘ve spent your life tracking Osama bin Laden. From what we know now and what you know, how many missed opportunities were there to prevent the 9/11 attacks?
SCHEUER: Well, we had—the question of whether or not we could have prevented the attacks is one you could debate forever. But we had at least eight to 10 chances to capture or kill Osama bin Laden in 1998 and 1999. And the government on all occasions decided that the information was not good enough to act. [N.B.;
O‘DONNELL: What—who then is to blame? I think the American people want to know, then, who then is to blame for this?
SCHEUER: It can only be the policy-makers and the elected officials.…
O‘DONNELL: So what you‘re saying is that when you ran the bin Laden desk, you knew where bin Laden was. You knew that bin Laden was trying to attack the United States. You knew that bin Laden had the wherewithal and that the policy-makers in the Clinton administration and then the Bush administration did not heed your warnings?
SCHEUER: Not my warnings. I hate to make myself the center of anything, ma‘am. But the intelligence community as a whole had warned the administration repeatedly. And I think there‘s no lack of record of that. It just—the 9/11 Commission failed to find anyone responsible for anything. The CIA can‘t order an attack. Only the National Security Council and the president can order an attack. …
Mr. Scheuer has also published an article in the Washington Times
http://www.washingtontimes.com…..-4280r.htm
Mr. Clarke, of course, was at the center of Mr. Clinton’s advisers, who resolutely refused to order the CIA to kill bin Laden. In spring 1998, I briefed Mr. Clarke and senior CIA, Department of Defense and FBI officers on a plan to kidnap bin Laden. Mr. Clarke’s reaction was that “it was just a thinly disguised attempt to assassinate bin Laden.” I replied that if he wanted bin Laden dead, we could do the job quickly. Mr. Clarke’s response was that the president did not want bin Laden assassinated, and that we had no authority to do so.
Not to begrudge the value of this campaign over this documentary, especially since it now will sandwiche Bush’s 9/11 fifteen minutes. But still, this week’s WAPO story on how Bush and Rumsfeld’s terrorism speeches have ‘changed’ the debate and David Broders column lombasting ‘conspiracy theories’ on Plamegate are in FDL’s core territory. The latter column requires an intelligent response.
UptownNYChick @ 177
I loved your post. I know something of YWAM and wonder how they will square this with their non-rightwing supporters (they have many). It has been a real eye opener to those folks that this organization would stoop to this level. I bet it will come back to haunt them in their sponsorships and donations. As far as ABC/Disney, one can only hope that enough people are outraged enough to close their wallets to Disney and bypass ABC programming. The latter shouldn’t be too hard, considering what all the networks are offering us thesedays. To WYAMN; does it concern you at all what Jesus might think about a hit piece about the victums of a national tragedy or is Juniors movie career more important than integrity?
matt @
250
Oh yes, negotiations are always possible, matt. There will be no hope for a democratic Iraq until we leave– please go study history and then come back to engage. :)
Hi, angie!
How would anyone know that ‘negotiations with Saddam were never possible’?
We never tried to negotiate, after Bush took over. He doesn’t do ‘negotiate’, he only does ‘my way or my army’.
angie @ 252
Hi Angie,
I appreciate the post.
The United States is still the beacon of hope to many disenfranchised peoples around the globe. Eastern Europe is a good example of positive US engagement. Millions throughout the middle east have taken notice of the trend (…Egypt is a good example here), and are making thier own path to freedom. History shows that once democracy has been inculcated in a population, there’s no stopping it…
As I said before, buddy, can you paradigm.
matt @ 244
Good for you Matt! I met him myself twice in 2004 and found him to be amiable sort…not to intellectual but a likeable man. The worked with the Clintons in the late 1970s; trust me, there’s no “there” there.
smells like, a fart? please go outside to do that. or go to your room…..
It doesn’t matter if one has seen TPT911 or not, the makers have admitted that they’ve taken liberties for dramatic purposes.
They are deliberately changing the facts of history. That is wrong. It’s that simple.