Remember that Commandment, Cyrus Nowrasteh and David Cunningham? Boys, how do you square up all those contradictory notions competing in your heads? Let me see if I can get it straight. You love Jesus so much that you want to transform Hollywood from within, to fill television and film with His messages, which I assume you realize draw heavily on the Ten Commandments. Yet, you hate Bill Clinton so much that you are willing to lie to the world to smear his name for generations, by fabricating a narrative that bears false witness against Clinton and lays unfair blame for the 9/11 attacks at his feet. All to please an administration whose policies are killing thousands of Americans and Iraqis, with no end in sight. So, lying and killing is the way to spread the Jesus love?
Now, back to our regularly scheduled FDL programming.
It has been a head-spinning day full of investigative revelations concerning the "Path to 9/11" saga. The blogs have been on fire–just trying to keep track of it all over at Open Letter to ABC has kept me hopping. DailyKos, Democratic Underground and TPM Muckraker have been all over the story of the movie’s ties to the secretive right-wing Christian group Youth with a Mission, and its sister company, The Film Institute. But Max Blumenthal, over at HuffPost, has also uncovered these groups’ ties to uber-wingnut David Horowitz and the twisted tale of how this fraudulent f***-up of a film moved through the ABC production channels and got promoted via Rush Limbaugh and all of wing-nuttery.
Because this is America, I respect these folks’ rights to speak their minds, but why is it that right-wingers must always have their actions cloaked in secrets and lies? Plastering the bi-partisan 9/11 Commission Report all over their zealous propaganda–and getting ABC to go along with it? How can Bob Iger allow the public airwaves to be so grossly misused? Trying to rewrite the history of 9/11 for political purposes is a crime against not only media, but our democracy. Mind-boggling is the word that comes to mind.
And the next word that comes to mind is libel. I got an email this morning from University of Miami School of Law professor Michael Froomkin, alerting me to his musings on what ABC will face if they air this mini-series, with all the lies against Clinton, Sandy Berger, Madeleine Albright, Richard Clarke, etc., intact.
Generally in the United States you can’t libel a public figure. [*] Plus, libel claims based on fiction are obviously much harder than claims based on assertions in supposed non-fiction. But neither of these bars is insurmountable. And on the facts as reported, they could be surmounted surprisingly easily.
As one New York court put it not so long ago, a claim of "libel by fiction" requires that "the description of the fictional character must be so closely akin to the real person claiming to be defamed that a reader of the book, knowing the real person, would have no difficulty linking the two." The novel Primary Colors didn’t meet that test as it didn’t use real names, nor were the physical description of any character like the plaintiff in that case. But the 9/11 show differs from Primary Colors in a very basic way: It uses actors portraying real people with their actual names involved in activities that are a blend of real things they did and of the partisan imagination. I suspect it wouldn’t be hard to get a court to see the difference from Primary Colors-like facts. Furthermore, even if ABC were to run a big disclaimer with the episode, that wouldn’t necessarily suffice.
It’s even harder to make out a case of libel when the victim is a public figure. Basically, to win you have to show that the author of the libelous work demonstrated a "reckless disregard for the truth." Given the public nature of the warnings that various scenes are false, if in fact they are false then I think this part of the case should be pretty easy.
If I were at ABC or Disney I’d be having a serious talk with my lawyers right about now.
And if I were a fly on the wall of Charlie Gibson’s office this week, I’m sure I’d be witnessing a great deal of hand-wringing. As a former MSM reporter, I know how very hard it can be to tell the truth when your corporate overlords are more concerned with bottomlines than with informing the citizenry. I used to try to report on the founding of Fox News while at Variety. Every time I wrote a hard-hitting piece, I’d get hauled to the editor’s woodshed and told I didn’t seem to know how to play the game. "We’re friends of industry, Jennifer," I was told. So, I was pretty darn thrilled to see Charlie and my local ABC affiliate covering the "Path to 9/11" controversy at all yesterday.
I would imagine, though, that the more ABC Newsies learn about how icky this project truly is, they must be chomping at their bits to see this movie yanked. As the budget and staff shrink in the news division, these folks have to watch ABC Entertainment throw $40 million at a piece of propaganda that will cast a dark shadow over ABC for years to come. And what do they think about being locked out of this whole project and getting side-swiped like this? Wouldn’t it have made more sense for a network planning a two-night event about our great American tragedy to call on their own news division to research and vet an accurate portrayal of the events? Better to throw all the cash and responsibility at religious crusaders? That’s just incredibly moronic judgment on behalf of Iger & Co. Disney Board: A man with this kind of judgment should be running your conglomerate?
If the news division had been in charge of crafting this program, you can bet that both co-chairs of the 9/11 Commission, rather than just Republican Thomas Kean, would have been interviewed. That begs the question: Where is Democratic co-Chair Lee Hamilton? Sources tell me he’s back from Iraq this week, but hesitant to publicly jump into this fray. Mr. Hamilton should be heartened, as I am, that many conservatives have joined Democrats in demanding that ABC fix or pull this mini-series. This is not about defending Clinton, but about the integrity of our shared history.
Mr. Hamilton: Please stand up and be heard. Don’t let Thomas Kean and ABC airbrush and misrepresent 9/11. Your silence is deafening, sir.
Despite all the public statements, signatures, protests, journalism and media commentary that should be convincing ABC to realize their gross mistake, it appears, as of this writing, that they still plan to put some lipstick on this pig and air it. I guess with $40 million on the line, they have to do something. But the still unanswered question is where exactly all the money came from? As Howard Dean put it today:
"The American people deserve to know who funded this $40 million dollar slanderous propaganda. Use of the public airwaves is a privilege conferred upon broadcasters in the public interest. It comes with a responsibility to the American people and a responsibility to the truth."
Did Youth With a Mission funnel money into this politically motivated movie? Unlikely , at least directly.Perhaps ABC put up all the money, and first hoped to recoup it in advertising, DVDs and foreign rights. Now, advertising is gone. And should ABC give up that primetime pulpit and Scholastic push for "Path to 9/11," it will be harder to sell DVDs and to hold onto those foreign rights deals. So, you can bet they’ll keep pushing hard to keep foreign media pushing their "based on the 9/11 Commission Report" line.
But, it shouldn’t be about money. On this fifth anniversary of September 11, 2001, it should be about coming together as a nation to mourn the lost lives and to consider where we are now. And our decisions going forward should be based on fact. Not fiction.
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Olbermann! ; )
Fitz!
Ned!
Tester!
Mr. Hamilton: Please stand up and be heard. Don’t let Thomas Kean and ABC airbrush and misrepresent 9/11. Your silence is deafening, sir.
Jennifer, You Rock!
“I’m a uniter, not a divider!” — ah, those were the days …
Why is’nt anyone talking about how disrespectful it is to the victims of 911 to air a fictitious account of who may be responsible? In reality that shopuld be the angle that people who oppose it should take, as that is really the most pathetic thing about it. It is such blatant disrespect!
Your daily gas and oil prices
Average price for regular gasoline 9/8/06 in 50 states and DC
$3.00 plus 2 states
$2.90 plus 11 states
$2.80 plus 5 states
$2.70 plus 8 states
$2.60 plus 8 states
$2.50 plus 11 states
$2.40 plus 6 states
Average national price: $2.683, down $.017
Highest recorded national average price: $3.057 9/5/2005
Highest average price: Hawaii $3.298
Lowest average price: Ohio $2.404
Nymex Crude Future $66.25, down $.91
Dated Brent Spot $63.60, down $1.77
WTI Cushing Spot $66.25, down $1.07
Going into the weekend, oil prices dive following gas prices. End demand remains slack. We have a cooling economy, possibly changed driving habits, and the heating season has yet to start. Also no hurricanes threatening the Gulf coast or new crises.
I’m sure Disney’s legal department has made sure anything obviously slanderous has been cut, but that won’t cut it. If this POS has a deliberate Dem bashing agenda throughout which it probably does then you also have slant by omission to deal with. You can’t edit what isn’t there. Yank it, it can’t be fixed.
as someone said before me…
nixt!
*ilson
Is that you commenting over at Cup o’ Joe, or has someone stolen your identity?
Nick @ 5
Nick, even more disrepectful are the politicians and corporations who have been using those victims for their own gains ever since.
HAD ENOUGH?
it’s me — isn’t it a total trainwreck at the Joe Blog?
Here’s a little more Revelation about the Spooky Cult and Shadow Group promoting and producing this video.
Here’s a snippet from their site that disappeared from their site as soon as it got discovered by the left.
This is who is being allowed to re-write history to fit their dark agendas?
Full Post
Oh and by the way… The Director of this movie is the son of this cult’s founder.
If nothing else, this travesty of a “docu-drama” illustrates the methods used by the Bush administration to bend history and truth into whatever shape serves its purposes.
Nate @ 13
The Mouse that whored.
Hugh @#6, have you ever broke down gas prices on Red vs Blue states? I travel a lot and I know it is antipodal but sure seems that gas is cheaper in the so-called red states.
Thanks, Jennifer. Good stuff.
I am heartened that we seem to be past the intial outrage and instinctive backlash, and now people are starting to poke around in the underbrush.
I think all sorts of ugly little critters are going to be flushed out. I am especially interested in the machinations going on at Disney — they have a big, stinky tangle of motives for wanting to make nice with the White House, and I think it will be a good thing for all that stuff to get aired in the public media.
Amazing, how fast this collective reaction is coming together and producing results.
Liberals…society’s antibodies, yessiree.
Jennifer- thanks. And wow, what a week of news and activity. And, folks, please continue to contribute to the effort for Marcy Wheeler’s book. http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..your-help/
p.s. I have made a strong plea that the the book have an INDEX, for many reasons. Hope you are reading this.
Since ABC/Disney/Scholastic Inc decided to strrreeeettcchh the truth a wee bit with their historical recreations of events leading up to 9/11 (especially during President Clinton’s administration), I believe it behooves us to help them with some other historical recreations, but this time during the Bush administration, during which 9/11 actually happened:
President Bush, August 6th, 2001, being briefed by a CIA officer at his ranch. CIA officer reading from a Presidential Daily Briefing (PDB) entitled “Bin Laden Determined to Strike Inside the United States.”
Bush gets impatient, rips the PDB from the CIA officer’s hands, says “Okay, you’ve covered your ass” to the officer, and blows his nose with the PDB.
Then Bush tells the CIA officer to leave, because Bush has to go to the potty.
Bush then walks outside and heads to the ranch outhouse to take care of business, still clutching the PDB, muttering to himself that the ranch outhouse had almost run out of U.S. Constitutions and Bill of Rights toilet paper to wipe their asses with and this PDB (whatever it said, he thought) should work perfectly until they restock with some more U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights toilet paper.
The next scene shows Bush still at his ranch vacationing, sitting in an easy chair, dozing.
And the next scene, same thing.
And the next.
And the next.
With calendar days ticking by through August 2001 into September 2001.
Then a picture of the 9/11/2001 attacks appear on the screen, which is a split screen, with the other half showing Bush dozing in an easy chair.
———-
This is a fictionalized historical recreation of actual events preceding the 9/11/2001 terrorist attacks and is loosely based on the 9/11 Commissions Report.
Okay. Who’s got a video camera? Lights, camera, action!!
I think I smell a contest, with others coming up with their own fictionalized historical recreation of pre-9/11 events during the first eight months of the Bush administration that actually greased the way for the 9/11 hijackers to succeed.
Ms. Nix,
I’d lend you a hammer anytime.
Unless the governemnt owns ABC.
I think that all the Republican politicians funnelled and pooled their money for the Greatest Show on Earth! After all, come Nevember they could all be out of a job. This mass propagandza has to show that they were right to go to Iraq (by showing what happened because Clinton wasn’t tough wink wink). These guys are fighting for their lives! And Bushco is fighting for their lives. They must prove before the elections that war was the right idea. They set up the book people to get to the children. Hasn’t there been talks of letting kids vote?
It is like they are on death row.
Sen. Mitchell, stand up and be heard! He’s supposed to be a good guy and he’s chairman of the board of the evil empire.
“Nick, even more disrepectful are the politicians and corporations who have been using those victims for their own gains ever since.”
This is true, but I am talking about people who are trying to stop this framing it in a way that shows how unpatriotic it is.
Jennifer – you have been doing a terrific on all this! thank you!
Liberals — Society’s white corpuscles !
The scariest thing about kean’s comments (as recent as 7pm EST) is that Americans should just ‘watch’ and ‘learn’. Revisionist history books for Merkuns won’t have pics of Minnie’s GOoP stained blue dress.
Paid 2.57 today and also saw $2.49 one town over here in burbs north of Boston…just this
week on the cape, we paid $3.00 a gallon on the way home…something isn’t kosher around here!
Hugh @
6
Jennifer,
Thank you for all your work on this. I think your yoewomanlike efforts and the work of others at KOS, MyDD, TPM and here have put ABC/Disney in a Lose/Lose situation – damned if they do and damned if they don’t. Much more damned if they do IMHO.
But you and Matt deserve the gratitude of the whole progressive blog community. Kudos no matter which way this goes!
The ARROGANCE of these mother fuckers is TRULY ASTOUNDING. They think they can do this with no one, especially an ANGRY, DISGUSTED LEFT would not do a little research?
Do you admire the gall or despise the presumption?
THESE BASTARDS HAVE GOT TO GO!!!
OH, OH OH!!!
SLANDERdrama!
has anyone used that one yet?
I think i invented it!!!!
has anyone used that yet?
I had never been comfortable about Kean’s role in the 911 Commission and report. But, it looks like a few traitors are being flushed out in this one!
moeman @ 26
Har har! 43% in a recent CNN poll still think Iraq was behind 9/11.
Watch it = Lemmings = Cliff
Valley Girl @ 31
And we can only hope for more!
Know thine enemy.
When all is said and done, there is only one way to deal with George Bush, Cheney, Rove, Rice and the others. And that is politically. After the Democratic take-over this fall, it will be time for temporal justice. Dana Priest brought up the notion tonight, on “Washington Week”, of war crimes. There are many crimes this administration needs to be held accountable for. And it will be. As to the rest, the Bush Christian-hypocrite non-practioners of the Golden Rule, will reap “All That Heaven Allows”.
Just a drive-by to say hi. Great one, Jenn, as usual.
Nice to see “thunder” on Sadly, No! Gary sez hi too.
We have 60 wild fucking days to look forward to, y’all!
Hi All–Thanks for the kind words and helpful leads you’ve been showering on me this week. To person who mentioned David Cunningham’s father, I just figured I’d let the links carry that fact, but yes, indeed. You just have to wonder what kind of denial Iger is trying to sell himself that he can even consider airing this thing. Keep up all the pressure and hard work. The calls, emails, protests and such have to keep a-comin’over the weekend!
And re: an update ondonations for Marcy’s book. I’ll check with Jane, who left for LA today.
Busted- can we call them the *paper towels of the BushCo regime*? (reference to my own prior plumbing issues)
Which, reminds me of one of BobbyG’s comments- “the turd that won’t flush”. He was referring to LIEberman, but geez, it is such a generally useful expression…
Cozumel @ 32
GOopers rely on low information voters…like Tucker Carlson.
Californians:
The Governator had to apologize for his own “Macaca Moment”…sheesh racism is just breaking out all over the radical right party lately isn’t it?
Click Me!
Does the $40 million price tag include the revenue lost by airing it commercial-free?
*ilson46201 @ 25
Can there be blue corpuscles?
Cozumel @
32
cnn’s polls are intellectually designed.
Al Gore’s PT911 statement:
By all accounts, “The Path to 9/11″ is riddled with inaccuracies and contains material that directly contradicts the factual findings of the 9/11 Commission. I am deeply concerned that ABC is considering going forward with their plans to broadcast this so-called docudrama. The lessons from the events leading up to that tragedy are too important to trivialize, and it would be fundamentally irresponsible to air such distortions.
Just saw that Harvey Keitel will be on Anderson Cooper 360 this hour discussing his participation. The tease was that he’s not happy about distortions in the movie. Interesting.
Good one, ifthethunderdontgetya– The Mouse that Whored!
And the Oracle, you’ve got a great idea started there–how about a dramatization showing Richard Clarke frantically chasing down various Bush administration officials, trying to get them to pay attention to his trove of Al Qaeda intelligence?
I wouldn’t be so quick to say that it is unlikely this group underwrote the movie, based on the page you linked to. It is quite possible that a network of donors is attached to the group. Would that be “direct” or “indirect” — it seems irrelevant, if such is the case.
I have to say that my mind is pretty much just reeling at all that is going on at once…Jennifer, you’ve done a great job pulling so much of this stuff together, and everyone’s been throwing links and new info and connections into the mix. It has to be obvious that it is next to impossible to keep much of anything secret – and there’s nothing like angry citzens with internet access to dig it up and send it around the world.
I understand people with deep faith, and I respect those who have it and live it, but I don’t understand these people who think their faith entitles them to run the world. I don’t understand people who will say and do things that are totally antithetical to most religions that I am familar with, and yet they still believe themselves to be standard-bearers of religion. I guess it’s a trait of any fundamentalist religion that anything goes as long as you do it for what you believe to be furtherance of your religion.
But I still don’t get it.
I really find myself near tears as I contemplate the actions of the Bush administration, the lengths to which they have gone to further their own agenda and to accrue more and more power, and the brazeness with which they have done it. It scares me more than I would like to admit, because where it used to just give off a faint whiff of something bad, now it just reeks of evil.
I have a strong sense of things coming together in a way that I hope signals the end of the Bush reign; there is so much at stake, and the price we are paying for it to continue is just too high.
It’s time for them to go.
Valley Girl @ 37
Lol! I told you how to power flush. *g*
If only it were so easy. :(
Eli–my understanding is that the production has cost $40 million, and they were originally planning to air it with commercials. Now that they won’t (whether they air it or not), they’ll only have DVD’s and foreign rights to make back their money. But many of us are trying to find out if ABC is really out the $40 million, or whether there were other investors, perhaps some shady right-wing group or even juicier, maybe a 501(c)3 religious group that isn’t allowed to make political contributions. But if this thing airs, it is little more than a GOP campaign commercial.
As a long time NJ resident, I had a lot of respect for Kean. He was a decent govenor and always appeared on the surface to a decent fellow.
Not anymore, he’s scum in my book. Great post and thank you for asking Lee Hamilton to speak out Jennifer.
Jen- I hope you’ve seen that there has been a plea for a snail mail address for M. T. Wheel(er) book donations from those who can’t/ would rather not use online methods.
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 38
His ratings are in the see ya later category
lol
http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/ratings/
There are two competing metaphors in my mind to symbolize this whole “docudrama” thing: (1) that this is like an iceberg with most of the reality lying under the surface; (2) that this is like turning over a rock that you saw a scorpion crawl under, and underneath you find all kinds of other horrors.
Both metaphors have the ring of truth, but so far I am leaning to number (2).
Anne @48 – Amen
What has been done to bring this travesty to the media’s attention (more like hanging in their faces and say LOOK you fools) is nothing short of a miracle.
But since we are capable to doing 2 things at once, we need to join this sham with the now published report of Phase II which shows unambiguously (Dana Milbank hisself even said it) that the Bush administration lied us into war. This repot and the lies it documents should join this bruhaha. Don’t want those lies to go unreported. Republicans are trying to say ‘nothing new here, move along.’
Jen Nix @ 50
As Digby points out, this is not good for the Disney brand, either. I think they want their public face to be totally apolitical for maximum appeal. It would be terrible business for them to expose themselves as right-wing shills.
A couple photos from the protest at Propoganda Central (aka Disney’s HQ) from today in this post
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..95843/7526
Joel @ 47
Joel–You may be right. I was hoping when I combed around that site to find out the IRS status, and that it was 501(c)3. I think you are right that it could be individuals known to YWAM. Certainly Loren Cunningham is a fundraiser, and likely knows folks with money who want to spend it to see YWAM and TFI infiltrate Hollywood. But I don’t thins YWAM could have directly financed it. I could very well be wrong. Let’s try to find out!
EPU’ed from the last thread.
Paul Wellstone was such a man, I believe. I’ve thought for years that his plane crash was no accident.
LindaH at #60 re Wellstone — I live in Minnesota and was so proud of him. And I, too, feel something was really suspicous about that crash.
“We’re friends of industry, Jennifer,” I was told.
I always suspected they talked to journalists like that.
BTW, here’s Jennifer:
http://commongroundmag.com/200…..ts3203.jpg
Late with the kudos, fab work Jen!
If a private group ponies up $40 million to a network to produce a show, doesn’t the FCC require that this be made known? Otherwise, anybody can buy indisclosed influence on broadcast media without facing public scrutiny. After all even lobbyists have to register, and I believe they also have to be able to show to whom they have given money.
LindyH @ 60
The Democrats kissing off Hackett was a stupid, stupid, stupid thing. He is the pugnacious prototype of what they need to be. “I said it, I meant it, I stand behind it.” – they need that tattooed inside their eyelids with luminescent ink.
BTW, I can’t help remembering that Disneyland, at least back in the early 50’s, searched everyone’s stuff on the way in, to make sure that no food or drink was included. Such food and drink were put in the trash. Draw your own conclusions.
Disney tries to appear apolictical, but somewhere in the back of my now senile mind I think I remember that old Uncle Walt himself was pretty far to the right and there has always been a pretty right-leaning undercurrent in Disney stuff. Does anyone recall that too?
Oh, and what does it say about the so-called liberal media that the producers sent out 900 copies of the movie to right-wing media outlets? Those poor, underserved wingnuts!
Matt Stoller pointed out today why this was such a BAD week for the GOP, ABC and Disney. His take on how far Disney went out on a limb on this only to get burnt is especially interesting:
The right-wing has thrived on making it painful to oppose them, and profitable to be with them. Though Disney’s executives are probably mostly pro-business Democrats, you can see how the company’s tax rate dropped from 2001-2003 every year under Bush. By 2003 the company was paying no taxes at all – Democratic supporter or not, it’s nice to be an executive where your company is paying less and less in taxes.
By contrast, this week, Disney’s brand took a massive hit because the company got sloppy and its internal controls were revealed as weak to non-existent. Not only is the film openly fraudulent, but it’s apparently really really bad. Like, loser, expensive afterschool special schlock bad, the kind of bad that makes me kind of glad I couldn’t get an advance copy. Right-wing death cultists make shitty directors, apparently. And more significantly, Disney’s executives were personally embarrassed, their happy little spa-drenched personas chided by no less than Bill Clinton.
That’s new. What’s also new is how Disney got no backup at all from the right-wing. No Republicans in office came to the company’s defense, the RNC offered no online petition, and there was little to no internet organizing on behalf of ABC’s film. Virtually no right-wing pundits defended the network, or the film in any meaningful way. The open disloyalty to right-wing allies is a really bad decision on the part of the right, since it means that if you back the right-wing, it’s not clear that they will back you. In such a situation, talented people considering a movement career will simply say ‘I don’t need this shit, I’m going to go make money in the private sector’.
This kind of incentive system is how movements are destroyed.
http://mydd.com/story/2006/9/8/163610/0566
Wellstone, Carnahan, the anthrax victims, and hey…remember Martha Mitchell? Wasn’t that a little wierd too? They’ll do anything.
petedownunder @ 66
Yep. I remember that too.
VG – I’m glad I’m not totally over the hill.
petedownunder @ 67
Well, there *was* Song Of The South…
Airing five hours of commercial-free propaganda is about as in-your-face obvious as it gets.
petedownunder @ 66
here’s what Wikipedia has to say about Walt
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W…..e_Congress
Eli @ 64
It was also a real stupid move when Hackett said on Hardball that Bush used to do coke based on reports. Not ready for prime time, IMO. Maybe next time.
Eli @ 41
Bleucocytes. Mendacityphages.
In my foggy recollection of my youth,I remember being real excited to be able to stay up long enough on Sunday night to watch ‘ The Wonderful World of Disney’. It was right after ,the always exciting, ‘Mutual of Omaha’s, Wild Kingdom’.
I adored Walt Disney.
It was only after I was in my early twenties, (watch the fogie jokes), That I started hearing about Walt’s inner workings. Quite the surprise, I must say. I’m thinking that if Walt were still alive, This might have been right up his alley, sad to say.
But now is not then,computer controlled animation was his dream,and his dream was realised.
Now, Disney Inc has fucked up, royally.
And we’re on it. It’s a small world has a completely new meaning.
OldCoastie @
24
I agree.
It was also a real stupid move when Hackett said on Hardball that Bush used to do coke based on reports. Not ready for prime time, IMO. Maybe next time.
I’m not sure there’ll be a next time. I think he’s pretty disgusted.
klangfarben @17
sounding your colors are you???
yes,
Disney — they have a big, stinky tangle of motives for wanting to make nice with the White House,
have they considered the White House of 2009?
Jennifer – Thanks. I did not recall that he was a red baiter too, of course I was just a todler in those days. A very political todler.
VG – more plumbing advise at 6:17pm on last thread. This time, from a plumber:).
Wikipedia has some interesting information on 9/11 Commission chairman and “Path to 9/11″ advocate Thomas Keane. I don’t know if it’s been posted or linked here:
“Criticism
Just as some had criticized Kissinger’s nomination, Kean’s leadership of the Commission also drew some criticism. Some alleged that Kean did not have the depth of foreign policy and national security expertise needed to manage an investigation so integral to the future of American national security[1].
Kean also had several business relations that were viewed as potentially conflicting. He is a board member of Hess Corporation, a petroleum company with business in the Middle East. He had purported business relations with Khalid bin Mahfouz, a multi-billionaire accused of supporting al-Qaeda[2]. Other Commission members were similarly criticized for potential business and political conflicts.
Once the Commission began its work, some critics argued that Kean, the Commission members, and the Commission staff almost all had various business and political conflicts that made it difficult to lay blame on their political allies. One prominent example was the Commission’s Staff Director, Philip D. Zelikow, who had served on George W. Bush’s Presidential transition team and had worked closely with U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, a key Commission witness, in the George H. W. Bush administration.
Kean has also been criticized for using his role as the chairman of the 9/11 Commission in order to make profit, such as his book, Without Precedent. Some also argue that he has lost credibility do to his endorsing the made for TV movie, The Path to 9/11. The film features some scenes which are known to be unfactual, according to those involved and the official 9/11 Commission Report. This is also tied to the fact that his son Tom Kean Jr. is in a tight election for US Senate against Sen. Bob Menendez and to show former Clinton Administration officials as responsible for 9/11 would potentially benefit his son in his Senate race.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Kean
Anne @ 47
When I see what we can do using the Internet I am afraid for it. The mantra is, “Net neutrality. Voter verified ballots.”
njr @ 79
I can see it now, the new administration decides to move the national respository for nuclear waste from Yucca Mountain to the Matterhorn.
Jen, have you seen this PT9/11 info?
http://www.patriciaheatononlin…..eries.html
via here;
http://www.patriciaheatononlin…..index.html
njr @ 79
apparently not. and, yeah, klangfarben is an especially interesting nom de blog.
I love Hugh!
petedownunder @ 66
I do actually and my BIL works for his daughters winery in Napa. I don’t hold her responsible for this though. Sins of the father? Nah. So I won’t mention the name of said winery ; )
Petedownunder! Wow you got the memory wheel going. I just did a quick google and came up with this from Digby. Haven’t even read the whole thing, bec. I wanted to get out there to FDLers.
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com…..2408010244
~~~Atrios suggested earlier today that it might be time to start talking about the Mouse’s rather “ugly” past and I agree. Whenever they wingnuts go on about “liberal” Hollywood, I always have to laugh. It’s the oldest story in the book. []
Apparently, Walt Disney’s creepy rightwing spirit remains at the heart of the Disney empire as even today they go out of their way to cater to the religious right, help Republicans win elections and airbrush reality. Where once they tainted liberals as being communist sympathisers, they now blame them for 9/11.~~~~ !!!!!
I think this was asked before but does anyone know if Eisner OK’ed this disaster as a conservative response to Fahrenheit 911 after he declined to distribute it?
Nix…you’re on fire!
Eli @ 78
Maybe not. Wesley Clark wasn’t ready for prime time either *sigh* but he’s been in the trenches since
The Spooky Cult- YWAM, has branches all over the place and require their recruits to pay for their own indoctrination/service. They also use creepy cult lingo- like calling their various hq’s “the base”, (aka al qaeda!). When you look at their boosters such as Promise Keepers and Samaritan’s purse, it would seem to me they would have the kinds of friends who could advise them on how to bring in the bucks and then spend it to grow their business.
Maybe not. Wesley Clark wasn’t ready for prime time either *sigh* but he’s been in the trenches since
I don’t think Wes got ratfucked by his own party, though.
Hackett did publicly show support for Brown eventually, so maybe there’s hope.
GrandmaJ @ 60
Nice to see you, GrandmaJ. I have three grandchildren of my own. Interesting times we’re living in, yes?
I did a little nosing at the FEC and OpenSecrets this noon, and didn’t turn up Nowrasteh or Loren Cunningham as individual donors under those names. If they’re giving to politicians – I’m assuming they’d be donating to the neocons and wingnuts – it’s not that way. Maybe as a company, although then you’d have to know what name to look for; production companies are like oil promoters, created for the one use and then they’re gone.
Jen, someone’s posted an online video here showing the filming of this piece of crap in Toronto last fall.
Don’t know if it will be useful to those “poking around in the underbrush”, but just in case….
P J Evans @ 96
Or Republican Bagmen…sort of like Jack Abramoff.
John Casper @ 77
let me correct this now (no brains, Friday night)… Jennifer! you have been doing a terrific JOB on all this!! Thank you!!! (it’s also been very nice to have the Spotlight feature – thank you, Mark!)
Cozumel @ 74
Yes, but it pales in comparison to actual lies about wmds etc. Hackett is definately the kind of man (along with others) our party needs front and center these days. He stirs the pot and adds the spice of controversy. We need fighters and when confronted on missteps he will listen and back down with reason. Isn’t that refreshing?
VG – Thanks for confirming my feeble memory. Of course I always regarded DisneyLand as a place you’d take prisoners of war for interrogation except it was banned by the Geneva Convention. I wonder if Rummmy has tried, in addition to water boarding and stress positions, running captives through It’s Small World a few times. It would make anyone give up.
Jen @ 7:04 pm
I noticed this afternoon that some of the YWAM local chapters are exempt from taxation under Internal Revenue Code Section 501(c)(3), and I think that the YWAM national/international organization in Hawaii is also exempt under 501(c)(3). If YWAM were going to engage in political activity, it (and its local chapters) should have obtained exemption from taxation under Internal Revenue Code Section 501(c)(4) – but then contributions to YWAM would not be deductible.
What I’m wondering is this: why didn’t YWAM obtain exemption from taxation under Internal Revenue Code Section 501(d) if it is a religious or apostolic organization?
ember @ 81
Thanks for the heads up Ember. I just went and read. This really is an amazing place and and amazing community, isn’t it????!!!!
Eli @ 95
Depends on what you mean by ‘party.’ He got shafted by Kerry after he saved Kerry’s ass a couple of times. Clark was one of the few to come to Kerry’s defense during the swiftboating. Came time to pick a veep, Kerry went to Edwards to keep the party happy.
Hugh @
90
I can’t remember when Eisner left exactly. But Variety quoted ABC Ent. president Steve McPherson as saying that this project was conceived two years ago. I think Eisner was still there then.
njr@79
Yes, sounding my colors. When things get this surreal, synesthesia is a coping strategy.
The more I think about all this, the more it strikes me that PT911 is really a sudden convergence of many different ugly currents. An evil soliton in the social carrier wave, so to speak.
i read the posts here quite often and im impressed with the patriots who come here to post, im concerned though with the treatment i recieved on on american blog by the site owner john avoris , last tuesday i posted on a thread and 911 was being discussed , i mentioned something about the mossad and was immidiatly banned by the site owner ,i threatened no one but my posts were deleted all except one and ny comment was deleted but avarosis left my blog name on and he printed my ip number above my nane , now that he banned me i could care less but to print my ip adress where this government can track me down because of it is deplorable, it allso leaves me vunerable to hackers , is that a responsible way to treat his bloggers? if you think im a troll ask anybody on crooks and liars where my loyaltys are , if this guy outs me whos next to be outed by him??? would you trust a blog where if the guy who owns it didnt like your post fed you to the feds or hackers? thnx for listening i may be just an old man but im one of you!
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 102
Excellent point. Has anyone contacted the irs?..assuming, of course they’re not packed like the officer’s corps and the civil service (what there is left of it).
How about some anecdotal evidence here. Any correlation between gas prices and Rethug election needs?
I can get gas for $2.59 at my closest gas stations right now. :-) Alas, my rethug congresscritter appears to be headed towards reelection. :-(
Meanwhile my friends within 25-50 miles of here in safe democrat districts are all paying more, some as high as $2.99 a gallon (granted, it’s across state borders so tax differences may come into play, but the difference in prices today is even more than its been at other times).
Has anyone else noticed prices dropping faster in endangered rethug districts then elsewhere?
Helen Thomas dazzles. Once again this icon has reminded me of a long forgot genuine hero of the ‘movement’. Would that I was fit to polish this woman’s shoes.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/…..mas08.html
orangejumpsuit @ 105
Still not as bad as asking him to run for Senate and then actively pushing him out of the race when Brown changes his mind and decides *he* wants to be the Democratic candidate.
Valley Girl @ 51
what Valley Girl said…
Re: THe lies ABC told about 9/11
Wow. This quote from the FBI agents who quit the film, really spoke to me …
“Mr. Coleman said his concerns mainly dealt with the depiction of law enforcement officers, particularly John O’Neill, an F.B.I. counterterrorism expert who died in the attacks. “I’m Irish and I believe in ghosts,” he said. “I don’t want to be haunted.” He said he passed on the job.”
Do not speak ill of the dead. Shame ABC, shame.
Link:http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/08/us/08cnd-path.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
Eli @ 94
True. I didn’t get the Hackett thing at all!?
OldCoastie @ 112
I can ask. I don’t know the answer. Shouldn’t be hard to do, though.
SLJ @ 109
I’m in a blue county in a blue state this week and gas prices vary more by location than anything. High prices in fancy neighborhoods or near the hiway, cheaper in the lower rent areas.
OldCoastie @ 112
Christy said yesterday (?) that a snail mail addy would be posted asap.
petedownunder- ah, stop with the feeble memory stuff!!!! You have a great memory. What’s amazing is how we have all of this stuff stored in memory, decades past, that we normally don’t even access unless triggered by SOMETHING!!! That’s part of what is so great about the conversation at FDL.
Jennifer Nix @ 116
An anonymous P.O.box,with a large black standard poodle guarding it. Who smells vaugely like pumpkin loaf.
On the libel front. I remember reading that the BBC was planning on airing “Road To…” as well. Doesn’t the UK have an even lower bar for proving libel? Or, is that only for slander?
Anyway, I’m wondering if the overseas rights are now worthless if foreign broadcasters might worry about potential lawsuits from public figures, too.
SLJ @ 110
Yes, I believe there is a correlation. I was shocked to see Regular at $2.79 at one station in Long Island.
As we head into the election, gas prices are dropping for no ostensible reason. My gut instinct — Bush is cashing in some of his chips with Big Oil, since polls indicate gas prices are a major concern with the electorate.
Look for gas prices to go up gain after the election.
klangfarben @ 106
Well, personally, I think it’s time for that oath to kick in…you know, the one about protecting and defending the Constitution. *g* We need antibodies…well, we ARE antibodies. I’ve always had this theory about liberalism being the conscience of the human race.
For any interested, the interview with Harvey Keitel (who plays John O’Neill in the movie) is coming up after the next commercial break on Anderson Cooper 360 on CNN.
The program so far has focused mostly on Afganistan with a section on Iraq and some US based news. Guess what – things pretty much suck over there.
Commercial break just started.
SLJ says:
September 8th, 2006 at 7:35 pm
The LA papers think it’s a result of middlemen (forget the exact word) having a surplus at the end of summer (with the refineries about to change over to their ‘winter’ formulas) so they’re trying to get rid of the ’summer’ blends before they really get stuck. Don’t know if this works for the rest of the country, because California rules can be weird.
Fabulous post. Thanks, Jennifer. While I don’t talk about it much, because it’s really nobody’s business but my own, I’m actually a church-going Christian who sings in the choir and is a Lay Eucharistic Minister (which means I distribute Communion, for those who might not be familiar with “churchy jargon”). The idea that this crockumentary was vomited up by people who call themselves “Christians” is so revolting to me that I’m [almost] beyond words…
I tried 10 times to fax a “proper” letter to George Mitchell at Disney and finally had to resort to an e-mail. (In which I was hideously respectful.) I think it’s nothing short of miraculous what has been achieved so far in such a short time.
God, the toobz rock!
“Actually, we are just in it for the dough.”
David L Cunningham
Valley Girl @
37
Left you a comment on tail of last thread re: your plumbing.
jackson r tyree- well, what goes on at AmBlog, stays at AmBlog and is something we really can’t address here. But, welcome, and I hope you will stick around here, with good links and good ideas.
orangejumpsuit @ 121
I agree.
And, it may not just be Bush/Cheney cashing in chips. Big Oil sure doesn’t want Dems in charge of key committees either.
The oil execs can’t be looking forward to swearing in for frequent congressional committee meetings asking them about yet another quarter of record breaking profits!
SLJ @
109
Wow, I’m in Ohio. Guess how much gas is here, 60 miles from Columbus?
$2.29.
It pisses me off no end that this is how much they think they can buy us for: a few cents per gallon, per day, a couple of months before an election. HELL NO.
Nick @
5
Gotta take issue with this. The dead are dead. Respect is no longer an issue. They don’t care. If you can’t get riled up over this, for YOU…a period of introspection might be in order.
Bill R. @ 22
At this point he’s probably talking to an oil painting of Goofy about how he settled the Irish conflict and asking Iger to pray with him. He was a cc on Bill Clinton’s letter. This can’t be a picnic.
jeffreyw @ 127
yep, I saw that, thanks to ember’s heads up, and responded. This is just such an amazing place. xxooo
Oklahoma kiddo @ 110
Wow, OK Kiddo. Thank you for that link!
I try to be a good proletarian internationalist and no xenophobe but it strikes me strange as an American citizen that this so-called “patriotic” film about 9/11 would be filmed in a foreign country.
NYC has superb film facilities — why not make such a film there?
That Heaton link gave me the willies, too. I had no idea she was one of the mob slandering Mike Schiavo. Ironically, her profile on the IMDB has a news item saying that at one point she was being considered as a replacement for Meredith Vieira on The View, a post that eventually went to Rosie O’Donnell.
Folks have been posting angry messages on her website all day. That didn’t take long. Methinks Ms. Heaton will be a marked woman in Hollywood–this mess really pulled the covers off her right-wing activities.
*ilson- that part I missed. Where was it filmed?
SLJ – The oil execs can’t be looking forward to swearing in for frequent congressional committee meetings asking them about yet another quarter of record breaking profits!
Good point. Noticed the dip in prices and attributed it to upcoming elections but didn’t take it further…
Bustednuckles @ 119
hey, Busted – you funny!
klangfarben @ 75
From a Comment by Malcom Gladwell in last weeks’ New Yorker…another definition of liberalism …
“That conservative patron saint Whittaker Chambers once defined liberalism as Christ without the Crucifixion. But punishment without the possibility of redemption is worse: it is the Crucifixion without Christ.”
http://www.newyorker.com/talk/…..k_gladwell
Nevermind…
*ilson46201 @ 136
The more to keep it secret and hidden from prying eyes. Besides, why pay union wages?
*ilson46201 @ 135
Because they wanted to keep it under a very tight embargo until everything was signed on the dotted line at the network? Even Heaton lists it on her website under a code name.
ember @ 139
They are getting quite transparant in their lust for power.
LindyH @ 7:34 pm
Once I have time to look at relevant Treasury regulations interpreting IRC Section 501(d) and conduct more research, I should be able to determine how a religious or apostolic organization is defined in the Internal Revenue Code and whether YWAM fits that definition. I will also look at IRC Sections 501(c)(3) and 501(c)(4) again.
*ilson- okay, even if I don’t know where it was filmed- the “US” film industry has for a long time been moved to places like Canada. Exactly bec. of what was said about “why pay union wages”. Not a frivolous comment. Jennifer Nix might actually be able to provide more history on this, but this is nothing new.
GrandmaJ @
55
Excellent point.
P J Evans @ 124
Actually, distributors stuck with excess summer blend would make lots of sense. The high prices this summer may have lowered demand more than expected.
And, yes, that would be a regional issue only as different blends are sold to different parts of the country (based on different additives being allowed as well as different levels of Ethanol).
I’d still be quite curious to know how price changes relate to congressional districts… does anyone put it past an oil company not to think about that?
Valley Girl @ 138
Canada (I know, I know! Canadians are just Americans with health insurance and no handguns!)
Interview over with Harvey. He wants any errors fixed before airing. He looked a little sheepish. He doesn’t agree the movie should be shelved and he had some issues when he first came on board. He did say editing alone won’t likely fix all the problems, which was intersting. Focused on the positive work done by the FBI. I bet he doesn’t know about the agents who wouldn’t touch this turkey with a 10-foot pole. Finished with a talk about debate being good, and his thoughts about how the Path to 9/11 will in the end ask good questions to spark the debate. Eh.
I’m curious to hear about the reaction in Britain, seeing as how they’re pretty close to throwing Yo Poodle out on his ear and they just aired a drama that featured the assassination of the Chimp.
Interesting idea….I’m in Ohio where it is the cheapest.
Goddess knows we paid with our souls for this damn regime…it’s the least they can do.
I think you’re on to something!
BTW, Ohio is such a sad state now….so Rust Belt and all. I grew up here, then left for many years, and am now back…..I don’t recognize the state. What a fuc*ing mess.
Hopefully we are going to ‘Turn Around Ohio” in ‘06.
There’s a weirdness for you — Ms Heaton plays Ambassador Bodine in PT911, or so says IMDB.
Bodine was the person who apparently did her best to handicap John O’Neill and the FBI in Yemen, during the investigation after the Cole incident.
Just learned that all the management at Disney here in the Burbank were called in to watch the film a month ago. Described by one of the managers as “a very important film you all need to see”…
Jennifer, this is a very interesting post.
Some people at ABC News have been calling people who oppose their propaganda “Clintonistas” (sort of sounds like Sandinistas huh?) And telling people “move along nothing to see here” Your assessment of the integrity of ABC News and how they would have stopped the ABC-GOP Propgandists fails to convince.
I read somewhere the other day (your post?) that you worked at NPR. They finally woke up and smelled the coffee and began covering this story, but obviously were half asleep, or unwilling to give up their right-wing bias: they made it sound like only Democrats were objecting to the false allegations against the Clinton administration. What do you make of that? (I used to trust NPR, but not anymore. They’ve abandoned hard journalism years ago, and are just another media lapdog.)
You’re wrong. It’s not $40 million on the line — it’s the effect on the Nov. 7 2006 election that this propaganda was created for that is on the line. How much is it worth to republicans and wingnuts to keep Congress in control by the Republicans?
Let me start with the most important: No Congressional hearings into Bush’s actions.
$40 Million is cheap to throw an election!
No, it’s not the $40 million. ABC’s corporate owner Disney’s Net Income for the 2nd Q of 2006 was $1,125,000,000. $40 Million is 3.5% of the Net Income. For perspective, Disney spent $14,534,000,000 (or 12.92% of that Net Income) on Selling and Administrative expenses.
If someone’s not willing to write off $40 million, it’s probably not Disney or ABC. How did it go in Watergate? Follow the money.
(Been writing this so long now I’m going to post with the hope I don’t get EPU’d.)
Oklahoma kiddo
Left you a message at the end of the last thread. Sorry it took so long…achhh! It takes me forever to write anything.
Oracle
I like that script a lot, really a lot. Anyone have $40 million and bribe money?
slade @ 153
Using Blackwell for a plunger in VG’s toilet would be a good start.
Gas has fallen 77 cents a gallon here in the last few weeks. There are reasons for gas prices to be falling and gas prices are often fairly volatile. But the rate of decrease and its magnitude strike me too as very odd.
If prices rebound post-election, expect excuses like localized shortages due to seasonal changeovers to different blends and conversion to heating oil. Throw in a few refineries that need maintenance and stir until done.
Forgive me Lord, for I am hot. Blog-wise.
LOL.
Blog-whoring? Perhaps, but I’m in favor of legalized prostitution. *giggle*
Plus I’ve been happy-houring for about 3 hours.
Jennifer Nix is awesome. And a hottie. I speak as one detached but nevertheless on firm empirical footing.
You have said what I have wanted to….thank you.
Yes, let the reign be over soon.
HeirofPatriots go on,
klangfarben @ 154
DITTO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Valley Girl @ 147
*ilson46201 @ 135
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and what Sharoney said. Although they did film part of it in the US…at CIA Headquarters!
Patricia Heaton is a died in the wool Republican and great supporter of All Things Bush.
marily @ 157
Marily, and just left you a comment at the end of the last thread. Thank you.
*ilson46201 @ 25
DAMN!!! That’s FABULOUS… I’m in awe….
Dru@140
Wise words.
Thanks for the link. Good little article.
Happens I’m just starting in on a biography of that particular physicist. Who is something of a icon where I grew up.
slade — that sucks to hear reality of Ohio. low gas prices, some small solace. a couple of elections, hopefully the state will be taken back, a couple more, maybe on road to recovery.
Hugh — as you say, there is always some reason to find for gas prices rising and gas prices falling.
usually they rise very fast and drop very slowly. when they drop this fast that is something strange. when they drop this fast but only in some places that is even stranger.
Sandia Blanca @ 46
Thank you, Sandia, but I’m pretty sure I stole that from some earlier poster. Still, it’s worth repeating (so I’m repeating it).
The comments at Cup o’ Joe blog have gone all to hell. Not merely trolls, but hordes of orcs overrunning the parapets. (Although maybe that’s what FDL would look like if we didn’t have such great moderators?)
Their failure to moderate the blog seems to serve the mousetrap theory. Now they can shut down the blog and blame Lamont for the bad stuff.
It will also give them an excuse to not answer the many serious and respectful questions that have been asked there (Gerstein said yesterday he would answer questions on the main page of the blog but he’s not doing it). Adios, Cup o’ Joe Blog.
neurophius- maybe the java is disabled at Cup o’ Joe.
Ed*ard Teller @ 68
Matt has an update that says the right wing punditocracy is turning on Disney. I suspect they’re jumping ship to save their sorry asses. I’m hoping it won’t help. Evidence, ya know.
Valley Girl @ 174
LMAO Valley Girl
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 146
Wonderful! I’m glad SOMEBODY can read those codes. My eyes start to glaze over and roll back in my head when I try.
EPU zone, but what the heck . . .
Imagine, if you will, what $40,000,000 could do for a news division . . . Charlie Gibson must be crying. Peter Jennings must be spinning. Ted Koppel must be laughing.
All the comments about Walt Disney’s political persuasion are right on target. He had a vision of the world where the men are strong, the women are pregnant, and it all happened immaculately. No crime, no sex, no fear . . . oops, guess the right wing misssed that last one.
Just say no to a Cup o’Joe.
“Basically, to win you have to show that the author of the libelous work demonstrated a “reckless disregard for the truth.” Given the public nature of the warnings that various scenes are false, if in fact they are false then I think this part of the case should be pretty easy.”
And, to be sure, these warnings are by design, made on the advice of counsel.
And all those historians and 9/11 Commissioners? Expert witnesses! To die for! Soon they’ll be having to take a number and stand in line to testify! What credible witness does Disney have to put on the stand? Pinnochio? Only if he brings a heavy-duty sander.
And all those malicious evangelical “get Clinton” screeds that Max Blumenthal dug up? If you’re the Mick you’re probably paging through back volumes of Maus for comic relief.
he-he-he… just wrote Mr. Kleiner (GM of KABC here in L.A.) ANOTHER email and it began, “boy, I am sure glad I’m not YOU this week!”… then went on to further explain his legal liabilities…
and I’d bet he’s getting tired of me too…
*ilson46201 @ 135
Coz they couldn’t get it to look enough like Morocco?
OldCoastie @ 180
OldCoastie- are you one of those lawyer types who hangs out at FDL?
*ilson46201 @ 4
Yeh, one of the first of many lies to leave his lips.
Those were the days indeed.
Valley Girl @ 182
Maybe FDL should start its own bar association
marily @ 157
marily… I saw it.
You made my day!!!
Valley Girl @ 181
nope – teacher type… but I’m GREAT at condensing and summarizing!
orangejumpsuit @ 142
And risk somebody selling the story to the Enquirer :)
neurophius: Maybe FDL should start its own bar association.
Well, liberal drinks are already “on the house”.
Though I walk through the valley…
http://jameswolcott.com/
REPETITION-CONVULSION SYNDROME
i’ve admired wolcott… now i love him
“Bin Laden might boast that he had achieved terrorism’s equivalent of an atomic chain reaction: a self-regenerating cycle of outrage and foreign-policy overkill, aided by anniversary journalism and fuelled by the grim scenarios of security lobbyists. He now had only to drop an occasional CD into the offices of al-Jazeera, and Washington and London quaked with fear.
neurophius @ 185
Or at least its own bar. We have a collection of great musical tastes here…and I can make a hoopy margarita, man!
Marion in Savannah @ 169
LOL
moeman @ 85
Note that the left sidebar on her page does identify it as “Untitled History Project” (if anyone needed confirmation.)
SLJ says:
September 8th, 2006 at 7:54 pm
Well, given that the area I spend my gas money in is blue, I can’t speak to that question. However, the last couple of times I’ve been up to Sacramento (about once a year, and not this summer) it is cheaper in the San Joaquin Valley by twenty or thirty cents a gallon. (They say it’s because of less demand, but who knows?) Trying to do it by districts in urban areas is a loss, though: you might be able to go a mile or so and be in a different district. Commutes over ten miles, you can guarantee that.
Anderson Cooper is harping on the likelihood of more terror attacks.
Looks like he got the Rove memo…
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 146
Glad you’re good at the IRS side . . . now let me add the theological/religious side.
As I looked at their website, it looked conservative and fundie, but not like a front for some grand political moneylaundering affair. IOW, it rings true as a fundie missionary outfit, to my ears. (Not my cuppa tea, but it looks like the real deal by their lights.) There’s too much going on in too many places to be a sham (too easy to catch it if it’s fake), and it’s too decentralized for a corporate shell game of this magnitude. $40M is a big chunk of change, and it doesn’t look (on the surface at least) like this kind of structure could handle hiding it.
This is not to say that there aren’t individuals connected with this that couldn’t/wouldn’t funnel a lot of $$ toward a rightwing Hollywood project, but if so, I’m guessing it’s personal and not corporate.
OldCoastie @ 186
Oooo! A synthesist! God knows we need those!
Dru
…crucifixion without Christ…that is just SO GOOD, laughing and laughing with devilish glee; again, as always in these circumstances, have upset the kitty a bit.
klangfarben #170
That is quite a coincidence. Did you notice Ed*ard Teller frequents this place? lol
LindyH @ 196
ABC needed them. No wait they just decided to make stuff up and call it ‘time compression’.
Actually, it’s hard to tell where CNN is coming from with their terrorism emphasis.
On the one hand, it’s “be afraid–be very afraid–we need Strong Leader to protect us–vote Republican.”
On the other hand, “five years and we’re still not safe? I’ve had enough!”
I wonder which response will be stronger.
Just maybe this Disney piece of crap is going to get Bill Clinton
fired up to defend his legacy. He’s been a sleeping dog in GH Bush”s
compound. Wonder what he thinks of the Junior’s comment about
sending a sub up the Arkansas river to blow up his library (legacy).
The Republicans are either too stupid or brilliantly criminal in their
intent to get the Democrats off message in this election of 06.
If the Democrats bite the poisonous bait they will try to outdo the
Rethugs on the security-terror issue. These Republican bastards
are going to lie, slander, swift-boat and steal their way to victory
in the 06 election. Can they be stopped? I sure hope so.
Valley Girl @ 165
Ladies! Gentlemen! When production companies film Toronto, they pay union wages. All our facilities are union houses, our crews are IATSE and our talent is ACTRA. We also have a nifty White House on the back lot in Kleinberg, just north of Toronto. Our rental rates are lower, though, and the Cdn dollar is below the US dollar so a few $ can be saved here.
According to DKos, it was filmed in Toronto, Morocco and New York. I asked around at the shoot I was at today, nobody knew anything about it but folks I talked to said they’d ask around.
From wiki,
Let me see if I have this right. The original distribution rights for Fahrenheit 911 were held by Mel Gibson’s (good grief!) Icon Productions. These were released in May 2003 (wonder why?) and were picked up Disney’s subsidiary Miramax run by Harvey and Bob Weinstein. Disney (i.e. Eisner) strangely said that they would not let Miramax distribute the film but allowed Miramax to continue to fund it anyway. Things came to a head in May 2004 as the film was readied for release. Disney/Eisner blocked its distribution as they had threatened. The Weinsteins outside of Miramax acquired the rights to it and in conjunction with Lions Gate the film was distributed and came out in June 2004. According to Jennifer, this is about the time that Disney/Eisner started the Path to 911 project. Just a coincidence I’m sure.
Sam @ 201
Did Bush really make the statement about a sub taking out the library?
Valley Girl @ 128
Ah, VG, thanks for welcoming a “newbie.” I just started having the nerve to comment on this AMAZING site recently, and got a nice welcome. It’s important, and all of us “new kids on the block” appreciate it!
Redshift @
192
I did take a look at Patricia Heaton’s site earlier this week. I hadn’t known she was so outspoken about her right-wing conservative views.
neurophius @ 200
I’m making myself watch some of it… they seem to be pushing the “it’s really scary-scary!” meme to me… what will make the difference is if anybody points out that the homeland security we really need isn’t being funded…
HotFlash- thanks for that info. Do you mean Canadian union wages, and are they different from US union wages? And, perhaps the difference in dollar rates are significant? I know that a lot of US film work is now being done in Canada, and I had assumed it involved cost for production, etc. I’d really love to hear more about this from you. I actually am SAG- eligible- got to do SAG stuff bec. I live in a “non-union” state. I am not up to date on all of this, but I remain interested. Thanks much.
OT, sorta . . .
Somewhere, down in the CIA and the Senate Intelligence Committee, there’s someone with a good sense of Snark, with a capital S.
From the WaPo story about the newly released report on pre-war intelligence (emphasis added) in tomorrow’s (Saturday’s) edition:
Hey *ilson – I think there’s a CIA lurker here at FDL . . . not that you could confirm that, of course, since that would be outing an undercover agent, and if there was a website anywhere that would ban someone for that, this would be the place. So . . .
Hi, Langley!
But I can’t help but think . . . punaise is taking a monthlong sabbatical, just when this comes out? Yeah, I know, he talks about SF and all that, but as the great Arsenio Hall once said, “Hmmmmmm . . .”
There was a typo in my spreadsheet…
HeirofPatriots @ 156
Correction: That should have been Disney spent $14,534,000,000 (or 1292% of that Net Income) on Selling and Administrative expenses.
neurophius @ 194
And so goes cable news. Take the worst case bizarro SHOCKING scenario and harp on it. Rita Cosby, SHOCKING news coming up…Paula Zahn, SHOCKING and DISTURBING information about… Glenn Beck, WORLD WAR THREE, you think I’m crazy? Tune in at 7 PM and I’ll tell you why…ANTHRAX!!! Get your plastic sheeting and duct tape…
marily #197 – my dog always stares at me for a while then goes off to bed when she sees me hanging out at the “Lake” despite repeated invitations to join me. She knows how to deal with hardcopy reading matter (sit on it) but the desktop thingy with the strange glow has her baffled.
*ilson46201 @ 135
Well, for wee little neocon “christians” (small “C” on purpose) my bet is that NYC would be too expensive? I was born and raised there, and 40 million doesn’t go all that far… (snort, snort, snork, snork, snark…) Did that just turn into a snark??? I do apologize…
Jennifer Nix @ 206
I did a screenshot of it, in case it disappears. I guess it’s a good thing I have the storage space. I need to start cataloging all the stuff I’m saving.
speaking of absences… has anyone heard from Sharkbabe or Zen?
Marion in Savannah @ 205
Marion- that has been a long tradition at FDL, which started when the site didn’t have the traffic it does now. Sometimes now this doesn’t happen, because there are so many newcomers, and they don’t know who’s also a newcomer! So, may I pass you the candle of tradition?
ember @ 215
uh… I think both of ‘em were around last weekend… or thereabouts
ember @ 204
Yes he did; via HuffPost
http://www.nydailynews.com/fro…..8181c.html
In “How Bush Rules: Chronicles of a Radical Regime,” former Clinton aide Sidney Blumenthal recounts a November 2004 visit by Bush and his political guru Karl Rove to the William J. Clinton Library in Little Rock, Ark., on the banks of the Arkansas River.
“Bush appeared distracted and glanced repeatedly at his watch,” Blumenthal writes about a presidential tour during the library’s dedication. “When he stopped to gaze at the river, where Secret Service agents were stationed in boats, the guide said: ‘Usually, you might see some bass fishermen out there.’ Bush replied: ‘A submarine could take this place out.’”
OMG….Walt was a fu*king sadist! Seriously.
Women….look at the Disney movies done by Walt….where are the Mothers? DEAD! KILLED!
Walt was a perverted sadist….and Disney now is a neoconservative, authoritarian, fascist multi-national corporation who sees itself as part of the New World Order….the entertainment section! EEEEEK!
Bambi wants revenge…and I am on his side!
HeirofPatriots @ 210
That speaks for itself.
can you say ‘agenda’?
Dru @ 218
Thanks Dru – that is just stunning in it’s pathology.
Ember: There was an article few days ago showing GWBush talking with Carl Rove when they were visiting the Clinton Library on an
expedition to plan their own Library. There at the site Bush quipped
to Rove that he could send a sub up the river and blow the place up.
Remember the same Bush as an adolescent blowing up frogs.
Who is this country is going to stand up and tell the msm and
the Republicans to cut the crap and stop attempting to scare the
shit out America with more talk of terrorists and WW111.
Peterr @ 195
My guess (total conjecture here) is that YWAM provided the seed money to Cunningham/Nowrasteh for the pitch to ABC, which would explain their claim that this is a project of their Film Institute. In return they got some editorial control and a learning vehicle for their animatrons (Sorry! I meant students)
Now where that seed money came from – their own coffers or a few friendlies such as the Scaife Foundation – is an entirely separate question and one that deserves further inquiry.
OldCoastie @ 207
I hate that name…Homeland Security. It reminds me of Hitler.
Leave your comments and questions for Lee Hamilton at: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14…../newsweek/
or email webeditors@newsweek.com
with “9/11 Commission Co-Chair Lee Hamilton” (no quotation marks) in the subject line. They just deleted this direct email address from the page, I’m guessing because they’ve already received an overwhelming response.
Hamilton’s responses to selected questions will be posted on Sept. 11.
It seems like the Mickey Mouse Fan Club is revolting. How many of us watch the Wide World of Disney every Sunday night? Probably most everyone. It does not seem to have sunken into Disney the finacial hit they will be enduring for years to come. If I were a stockholder in this company I would be pissed. They must be cringing with every revision of their icons that are getting posted(I hope someone is archiving them!). They are upsetting a good part of the electorate for no good reason. What kind of drugs can induce this type of behavior in a mouse?!
And then there’s the WaPo itself, getting in on the action with Disney. . .
The Post is following the blogosphere, Berger, Albright, and Clinton? Inconceivable!
Peterr @ 8:19 pm
“$40M is a big chunk of change, and it doesn’t look (on the surface at least) like this kind of structure could handle hiding it.”
I agree.
Here’s a question about missionary outfits: have you found them typically classified as religious/apostolic organizations (IRC Section 501(d)), or is there some justification for those organizations to claim exemption from taxation under IRC Section 501(c)(3)?
Peterr- mods (me anyway) don’t have any way to determine who the lurkers are. Others may, but that’s above my pay grade. Still, there have been enough FDL bon mots quoted by “various” that I am sure there are a lot of important FDL lurkers out there.
late night’s up…
Quoting HeirofPatriots at 156:
“If someone’s not willing to write off $40 million, it’s probably not Disney or ABC. How did it go in Watergate? Follow the money.”
ABSOLUTELY! The money trail is key… It’s not just the money put into the thing, but the lack of advertising for, who knows, I’ve heard variously 4, 6 or 8 hours bandied about, that’s also key. I have no idea how my relatively small-time ABC affiliate is going to make up all that lost advertising revenue. Does anyone else???
I don’t post much but read everyday and am FDL addict. I wanted to thank everyone for all these wonderful posts.
I spent my day making phone calls…then had my husband, sister, and whole family call.
Since Disney is trying to F*** us all, I thought people would get a chuckle out of this wonderful Wally Wood cartoon first published in Paul Krassners Magazine The Realist in the 60’s…http://www.illegal-art.org/print/popups/orgy.html
LindyH @ 224
It always reminded me of apartheid-era South Africa, and its various “homelands” for the various tribes that never lived there.
ember 222- and I forgot to mention that Sidney Blumenthal’s book is the subject of an upcoming FDL book salon! He will be here to discuss How Bush Rules: Chronicles of a Radical Regime on October 1. How cool is that?
AZ Matt @ 226
That comment has me really BAFFLED. I’ve never heard of the program before.
Hey, kids!
New thread!
Sam @ 222
Thanks Sam. I tried to google news it and found one reference indicating it was questionable. It is unbelievable.
Valley Girl @ 236
Valley Girl –I should have said watched – that was Disney show from the 1960’s or so. Yup, used to watch in black and white!
McGee @ 223
Dru @ 234
Thanks Dru!
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 228
Never delved terribly deeply into the tax status of missionary outfits myself, and I don’t know the difference between (d) and (c)(3) groups off the top of my head, so I can’t help you. If you can quickly/easily distinguish the two, I might be able to answer.
AZ Matt @ 226
If *I* were a stockholder in this company, I would be SELLING!
Hugh @
204
Hugh,
This is brilliant and spot on! This was conceived TOTALLY by the folks involved as an alternative to Fahrenheit 911.
Doubt that ABC/Disney was one of the originators, though….just the friendly conduit brought in later.
LindyH @ 239
Yeah, that’s the one I looked at.
Valley Girl @ 216
I’ll try to keep up the tradition, but I’m not able to be here every day, so please excuse lapses. This truly is a wonderful community…
Valley Girl @ 235
I used to watch a show about 40 years ago–I think it was called “The Wonderful World of Disney,” but could have been “Wide World”–I have no idea if it is still being shown. Back then, it always featured an intro by Uncle Walt himself.
Randi Rhodes was playing the audio this afternoon from an ad by the Orwellian “Progress for America” astroturf group, that’s playing in Missouri, I think. It starts off with a scary “there are people who want to kill us,” but then it goes on to talk about how through the embassy bombing, the 1993 WTC attack, the Cole, our government did little, before going on to how great it is that Bush has killed some bad guys.
I noticed an eerie similarity to the portrayal of events in the mockumentary. I know it’s because it’s the standard right-wing “it’s not our fault” line, but they’re going to be hammering hard on this narrative, and this piece of trash is part of it.
After we get done killing the ABC crap, we need to take the gloves off. We’ve gotta stop defending against bogus right-wing history, and start hammering that it happened on their watch, that they screwed up, that if you fail to defend the country, it’s your fault, not the guy who left office eight months ago. “Respect for the office of the president”? They flushed that down the toilet a long time ago.
Nate @ 12
Great catch Nate.
Excellent post Jennifer…wondering if we can clone you and unleash you on the MSM
I will say good night. Cannot wait for Trex tonight. It has been a very difficult week for my family. My son is now experiencing the full impact of the death of his wife and his son’s terrible injury, and is now living with my daughter to help him through this terrible time.
Just in the last month he has hit bottom, and is very despondent. I am selling my house and will move to a small apartment to try to save money to help with costs for everyone. We are all trying to do our part. But we just now seem to be hitting the full emotional impact of the changes in everyone’s life.
I have been awake since 3 a.m and still cannot close my eyes but need to try.
Reading about everyone’s effort gives me hope in the face of personal crisis and world strife. And I called several handicapped riding places so know where to go when I am ready. Best to all. Bye for now.
AZ Matt #226
Cheese tainted with warfarin? Tempting and tasty at first, but fatal in the long run. Lots of frantic gulping in between.
ember #241 -Welcome!
GrandmaJ @ 249
Peace to you and yours, GrandmaJ! Keep us posted.
GrandmaJ- Best to you and yours. Take care.
neurophius @ 247
That’s the one! Your memory is better than mine –Thanks! If only Zorro would skewer the Mouse!
GrandmaJ- sleep well. And please keep us up to date. xxooo
Lost in all of the debate about the made-up shit in this program are the things not said.
Not said is what happens to the Hart-Rudman report and the recommendations contained in that document that were not acted upon until after 9/11. Nor is anything said about how Bush responded to the August 6, 2001 PDB that warned “Bin Laden determined to strike inside US”. As I recall, he went fishing. (Is this the time he caught the big perch he is so proud of)?
It’s called “snake-in-the-grass” behavior and it bears no resemblance to Christianity. As a matter of fact, it’s anti-Christian…
AHHH AZ Matt- did you mean “How many of us watched the Wide World of Disney every Sunday night? Probably most everyone.” Now that makes sense.
Grandma J…you and yours are in our prayers
Sleep of the Angels to you.
new thread
Heckeva job Keanie!
Stephen Parrish, sure was glad to see you weigh in earlier today and on this thread as to the status of whether YWAM local chapters are exempt from taxation. Good job.
Hugh, love your theory of Path to Propaganda 9/11 being started as a blowback to F 9/11 around the same time as it came out. “Just a coincidence I’m sure”, indeed.
Valley Girl @
208
Um, not sure what you mean, but here are current rates according Toronto ACTRA’s website (sorry, it’s a pdf). In general I think our wages are higher than yours. For instance, in Ontario the minimum wage is $7.75 per hour and going up.
Currently our dollar is worth about .89 US cents, most everything here is the same dollar cost as US so automatic 10% savings, plus we have ‘free’ healthcare for residents — saves on benefits. We’d actually lost a lot of biz when the H’wood unions put the pressure on and Arnie denouced it as unpatriotic to film here, plus our dollar got stronger when US invaded Iraq. But I have heard that productions are coming back here because security is such a pain now in the US, esp doing outdoor stuff in big cities like NY.
*ilson, much of the studio work and most post production is always done in the US, but a *lot* of exterior, location and second unit shooting is done in furrin lands, often because they are furrin.
The BBC apparently already showed the movie. The UK libel laws are a lot more of a problem for Disney and ABC than the US laws.
LindyH @ 242
You may *be* a Disney shareholder and not know it! Lots of organizations have funds that they have invested — churches, arts organizations, charitable foundations, pension funds, etc — and Disney is a favourite for their portfolios because it is blue chip and considered ‘good’, ie, not weapons mfgr or such. If you have any clout with organizations like that, it wouldn’t hurt to ask them if perchance they have any Disney stock, and if they think maybe they should unload it, for moral or financial reasons.
HotFlash @
264
A smaller action, but one we’ve agreed to take in my family, is cutting up our Chase Disney Card and sending the bits — and all our Disney Reward Dollars as well — to Bob Iger on Monday. If the program airs.
klangfarben says:
September 8th, 2006 at 8:03 pm
Just curious, klangfarben, but does it have a windmill farm just east of it? Was there a really big flagpole downtown? Because if so, I grew up there too.
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I pulled in the HTML versions of those Scholastic PDF files. Just looked at them, and they’re actually reasonable. There’s bias, but it’s US/Israel standard bias, not GOP bias, if you see the difference. (Nothing that would cause a fuss in 90 percent of the households.) The ‘critical reading/listening’ stuff is good, about noticing how events are reported.
jackson r tyree @
107
Jackson, I don’t know if you are still here but you are not alone in questioning the blogethics of the person you mention. Welcome to FDL. You will find this to be a much more pleasant, respectful, and humane place than the site you discussed. I hope you return again, and that, like me, you will find fewer reasons to visit that other place.
The other day, upon the stair
I saw a man who wasn’t there.
I saw him there again today.
I think he’s from the CIA.
nuff said
who would jesus alternatively interrogate?
(belated click by comment on the picture theme)
ABC’s 9-11 movie was CONCEIVED as the first film of right wing evangelical shadowy group called THE FILM INSTITUTE, was DIRECTED by the founder of THE FILM INSTITUTE, was promoted by David Horowitz & friends, all below the surface, of course ———-
PROPAGANDA from start to finish. Add the cever plan to peddle their PROPAGANDA to schools across the country in cooperation with Scholastic. That’s right, Mickey is peddling PROPAGANDA TO SCHOOLCHILDREN. ABC should be ashamed if it shows this film.
ABC’s 9-11 movie is to be aired in the UK by the BBC and also in New Zealand, where it is still being promoted as a dramatization of the 9-11 Report.
The PROPAGANDISTS certainly were thorough!
This is a minor point: wasn’t it just a few short weeks ago that the right-wing bloggers were full of themselves right up to their brown eyeballs over busting a photographer who’d Photoshopped a little extra smoke into the Beiruit sky? Yeah, so now they’re mocking those of us who don’t appreciate the grotesque misrepresentation of the facts. Someone more clever than I will have to figure out how best to slap ‘em up side the haid with their hypocrisy. I try to avoid their sqalid stys.
It now seems like Disney was essentially co-opted by an internal group dedicated to churning out propaganda, of the type patently offensive to much of Disney’s customer base, as opposed to just making profits, like a good corporation is obliged to its shareholders to do.
It seems like the Disney shareholders may have a decent lawsuit to bring against Disney, for its officers violating the business judgment rule and their duty to maintain and increase shareholder value, by (apparently) pouring tens of millions of dollars into a knowingly defamatory program that is fraudulently represented as being true to the 9/11 Commission Report despite factually contradicting it, and that any reasonable manager would have foreseen would offend and alienate from Disney the two thirds of Americans who disapprove of the Bush administration, thereby damaging the goodwill and customer loyalty attached to Disney and restricting the market for its products and services. Proving liability might be made easier by the evidence coming out that the film was intended by Disney’s outsiders to serve as propaganda, an intention unrelated to and contrary to the obligation to further Disney’s profits.
Disney might mitigate that liability if they yank the miniseries, although the money has been spent and the damage is already underway.
Of course, shareholder lawsuits aren’t my thing, but I’m looking forward to seeing what a corporate lawyer type thinks of this.
CLK @
271
Aren’t the libel laws a little friendlier to public figures in the UK? It might be an interesting test case anyway. Remember when Richard Perle was going to sue Seymour Hersh in the UK instead of here because their laws gave him a better chance of winning?
From Slate “Put Up Or Shut Up, Richard Perle.”
http://www.slate.com/id/2080100/
Heh!! Good coincidence. I said pretty much the same thing on my Friday Update blog. I dug up some info on them also that ties them to the YWAM evangelical group.
http://loadedmouth.com/node/3920
Keep up the great work all! :D
You know… I hope they do air it! The storm now will be nothing compared to the storm after! And they can’t say “You haven’t seen it!” I think that will be the final nail. :)
Cheers all! :D
I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for Lee Hamilton–He was one of the few House Democrats to vote for impeachment.
I would imagine, though, that the more ABC Newsies learn about how icky this project truly is, they must be chomping at their bits to see this movie yanked.
My pet peeve: The newsies will be
champing at the bit, not chomping.
Grammar police at work:
“they must be chomping at their bits to see this movie yanked” should be “champing at their bits”.
Thanks Jennifer, excellent piece of work.
Patricia Heaton might want to know the Ambassador Barbara Bodine she said she admires does not admire the PT9/11 film farce. (I have read so much the last few days I can’t remember the source.) I don’t share Heaton’s admiration for Bodine who used her position to completely thwart O’Neill in his Yemen investigation.