
"War, war, war, war! Talk of war has ruined all the best parties this year…"
Well, jump up and slap the mule! Southern women are leaving the Republican party in droves.
From the Department of It Doesn’t Get Much Sweeter Than This:
War turns southern women away from GOP
By SHANNON McCAFFREY, Associated Press Writer Thu Sep 7, 3:43 PM ET
MACON, Ga. –
President Bush’s once-solid relationship with Southern women is on the rocks.
"I think history will show him to be the worst president since Ulysses S. Grant," said Barbara Knight, a self-described Republican since birth and the mother of three. "He’s been an embarrassment."
Now, anger over the Iraq war and frustration with the country’s direction have taken a toll on the president’s popularity and stirred dissatisfaction with the Republican-held Congress.
Republicans on the ballot this November have reason to worry. A recent Associated Press-Ipsos poll found that three out of five Southern women surveyed said they planned to vote for a Democrat in the midterm elections. With control of the Senate and House in the balance, such a seismic shift could have dire consequences for the GOP.
Yeaaaaaah!!!! We like dire consequences for the GOP! I would even go so far as to say that we love them.
Sandy Rubin, a high school teacher in Macon, voted for Bush and said she’s also likely to vote for (conservative Dem. Rep. Jim) Marshall. Rubin said the GOP’s focus on issues that appeal to social conservatives, such as gay marriage and abortion, have turned her off.
"I care about job security and education. The things I hear the Republicans emphasizing in their campaigns are not things that affect me or my family," said the 39-year-old mother of two.
Thank you, Jesus!! Dawn breaks on Marblehead!! God DAMN! How long has our side been saying this now? If you’re against abortion, DON’T HAVE ONE. If you’re against gay marriage, DON’T MARRY A GAY PERSON. And otherwise, how about minding your own business? Because, right now? There’s some huge and important shit that needs to be addressed in this country, and Bill Frist’s 2006 Senate agenda covered precisely NONE of it.
I see this as a deeply promising development. I believe Southern women to be practical, pragmatic, and sensible as a group. I have certainly known some brilliant, gritty Steel Magnolias in my time. And let me tell you something. The South is a matriarchy. Sexism is alive and well here, but what this tends to end up meaning is that the men just think they run everything, and in terms of anything that can but put on a piece of paper, that’s true. Tax codes, building permits, laws, licenses, and zoning regulations? The men have got that sewn up. But regarding everything else? Two words.
Clue.
Less.
Send them home to a house with no women in it? They’ll burn the whole place down trying to fix a cup of coffee. They won’t be able to wash dishes because their brakes are in the sink. It’s like the mother says in "My Big Fat Greek Wedding", "The man may be the head of the house, but the woman is the neck. And the neck can turn the head any way she wants."
It looks grim for the GOP, alright. Women control about 70-80 percent of all the food in the South and well, ahem, all the pussy. (That’s kind of a monopoly market.) I have high hopes for a Dixie Lysistrata.
Southern women know about hard times. From the Reconstruction to the Great Depression to the Reagan Recession to now, they have fought to feed their families and provide stability and comfort amid shifting fortunes. They know a raw deal when they see one. And the GOP deal is appearing increasingly raw every hour.
It’s not just the war. It’s gas and energy prices. It’s groceries. It’s health care. It’s Katrina.
Actually, I think a lot more of it than the article lets on is about Katrina. You have to remember that huge swaths of Alabama, Mississippi, and Louisiana are still in ruins, and guess who lives in those states? That’s right. Southerners. All of us know someone affected by that storm and the cascading sets of errors that followed.
So, unless they’re crazy…
Still, some Southern women remain stalwart supporters of the president and the Republican Party. At a watermelon festival in Chickamauga, in the mountains of northwest Georgia, substitute teacher Clydeen Tomanio said she remains committed to the party she’s called home for 43 years.
"There are some people, and I’m one of them, that believe George Bush was placed where he is by the Lord," Tomanio said. "I don’t care how he governs, I will support him. I’m a Republican through and through."
…Southern women pretty much hold the keys to the future! Let’s welcome these newly minted Democrats to the party, shall we? Show some love! And just maybe, if we’re very lucky, they will bring some of those tiny crustless sandwiches with the pickles and the cream cheese in them.
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TRex!
Fiddle dee dee.
TRex!!!
Scarlett O’Hara!!!
Honey, if they are mad in Macon, dubya’s ass is bacon!
George W Bush is to the GOP, as Sherman was to Georgia . . .
Bush is to the world what Sherman was to Georgia.
How long have they been saying it?
The South Will Rise Again!
How convenient for us , it’s against the Bush regime?
Someone said we need to get another opinion, make something up, quick.
… watermelon festival … Chickamauga … mountains … Clydeen … placed by the Lord … don’t care how he governs I will (always) support him …
Amazing.
-ck- @ 5
Dubya is to the US, as Sherman was to Georgia.
TRex @ 6
I have to learn to type faster.
did we pass our SAT’s yet?
TRex- might I warn you as gently as possible that this ode to Southern Belles may indeedy not be getting a huge amount of fanning, at least until the flames of the Disney Empire die down on the last thread?
ok.tonight’s trivia…
what actor did vivian leigh speak those words to in GWTW?
A. George Reeves (Superman)
Valley Girl @ 11
Oh, they’ll come around.
Hugh @ 9
Or refresh more often . . .
All right ladies, get it on!
TRex @ 6
You are so right… except (seriously) what about the towns that were saved? Madison, maybe? Can’t quite make the other/ contra analogy there.
May be it’s time to put on Neil Young’s song
Southern Woman and Cowgirl in the Sand on tonight and sip some
iced tea and welcome back the Southern womens’ awakening to
take back the country and restore Democratic rule and oversight
on this “squirrel brain eating” Congresscritters and Bushites
in power. Thanks TREX for setting the theme.
Macon is the second largest conclave of Homosexuals in America…
ooo… tiny crustless cream cheese sandwiches with pickles! sounds like the perfect snack to go with Late Night!
let’s see… nope – no bread and no cream cheese… but here’s a jar of pickles! they don’t have to be sweet pickles, do they?
TRex @ 13
Atticus Finch was a Democrat . . .
In the words of the immortal Jackie Gleason;
How sweet it is!
e, ooooh!
OldCoastie @ 20
I don’t care what all y’all say, but I’m not lettin’ ‘em in the door, if they’n be havin’ no key lime pie!
e @ 18
Gays have conclaves? Witches have covens, so — whatever works . . .
its not really fair. republicans aren’t really war, war, war, war, war.
They’re really much more complicated than that – a bit more like: war, war, war, fear, war, fear, war, fear, fear, tax cuts for the rich, war, fear – repeat.
.
TRex, I hope you’re right.
zoot @ 26
money money money
Good news indeed. This morning at DK, I wrote:
Cheers to the Southern women who are mad as hell at the Republicans, which might just be the tipping point to a Democratic takeover.
I’m pessimistically optimistic…
zoot –
you left out the crony corruption . . .
-ck- @ 25
Of course they have conclaves. Where do you think they develop their agenda?
chaos is always an opportunity to make some dough…
“Conclave,” from the latin words “con” and “clavis,” or “with keys.” The papal selection process happens under closed, locked session, hence the designation as a conclave.
I would call that the largest, longest established homosexual gathering in history, if you ask me.
I have the lovely Siun on the phone. Back in a mo.
What Pach said at 2 . . .
I’d add one thing to TRex’s great post: all those Southern women are the one’s worried about their good ol’ boys and girls fighting in Iraq for no apparent good reason.
These women are the ones sending packages to the Gulf, with body armor that the Pentagon won’t provide.
They’re the ones sending emails and waiting for phone calls, every time they hear “three soldiers killed by an IED” from their kid’s unit.
They’re the ones who are holding out hope that their young ‘un will get home safe.
They’re the ones welcoming the flag-draped coffins home.
And I think they’ve about had enough.
I told siun to have a glass of wine and take a bath. Is she in the tub, TRex?
Pachacutec @ 32
Well — some of the Nuns might disagree . . .
Pachacutec @ 36
don’t ask, don’t tell…
Aw, hell, the nuns are one big field hockey team themselves.
I would add that I come by all this by close careful observation over years of active Catholicism. If anyone wants to get on my ass for my comments about the Catholic Church they kiss my monstrance.
“Thank you, Jesus!! Dawn breaks on Marblehead!! God DAMN! How long has our side been saying this now? If you’re against abortion, DON’T HAVE ONE. If you’re against gay marriage, DON’T MARRY A GAY PERSON. And otherwise, how about minding your own business?”
Nailed it!
Please except my apologies for jumping on you and Pach several weeks ago. Heat of the moment, and these are tence times is all I can offer by way of excuse : (
Don’t confuse the nuns with the priests, y’all. Reading this post by TRex, you could say the much the same thing about the nuns in the Catholic Church. Sure, the priests think they run the show . . . and the nuns let them go on thinking that.
This is encouraging. In my little Georgia town, I haven’t heard anything promising – yet.
“And just maybe, if we’re very lucky, they will bring some of those tiny crustless sandwiches with the pickles and the cream cheese in them.”
T-Rex, honey, have you evah had pickled okra Hors D’oeuvres (made with cream cheese and thinly sliced ham and bread. Roll the okra in the bread and slice like a jelly roll..very pretty…and quite tasty too.)?
-ck- @ 36
But they’re not in the habit!
Ba-dah, CH!!
TRex–What a smile you’ve brought my face tonight. Frankly, I didn’t think they gave a damn about the truth.
Peterr: well, the clerics run the institution, but the nuns make the parishes work.
Coz: Good on ya. Thanks. No need for penance. Ego te absolvo.
Jeebus, I’m on a latin kick tonight.
Cozumel @ 39
Welcome back, Coz.
*smooch!*
Of all the admonishments I received, yours stung the most, so I am vurrry glad to see you.
Can I fix you a drink?
Seriously, I think you’re right. I’m a democrat, and it used to be I couldn’t talk politics to Republican women (lalala…i’m not listening!). That has changed.
TRex @ 44
He’s here all week, everyone! Thank you very much . . .
Calling it a night . . . see all y’all later!
This post, TRex, ties nicely into our effort this week to change the mind of The Mouse about its tripe. Because when football is on (as it is during both PT911 timeslots) Southern Womanhood is in the playroom, watching “something else” while the husband gorges on snax, beer, and pigskin.
ABC/Disney/YWAM’s targetted its Rovian propaganda at Mortgage Moms: time spent away from the husband, balancing the checkbook, helping kids with their homework while Daddy watches The Game. This attempt to “catapult the propaganda” is profoundly demeaning to the American Women who are, as you rightly point out and much to Rover’s dismay, waking up about what matters to their families and turning away from the spew that passes for “values” in our kleptocracy.
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Had Enough, Ladies?
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ember @ 42
Hey, ember! I’m in New Orleans. Katrina has, as T-Rex said, or at least implied, made us more sane in that respect.
Good night, Peterr
g’night, Peterr…
Oh, TRex, thanks! How I howled! As a “recovering Damnyankee” (for those of you not from the south, a Yankee is someone from the North, a Damnyankee is one of us who lives in the South) from Savannah I can’t tell you how I roared. However, even if we re-elect our “Democratic” Congresscritter (Barrow) in my district we still have someone who says, in a commercial I couldn’t avoid last night, that he is proud of his stand on repealing the “death tax,” and calls for “standing firm” in Iraq. So, there’s Democrats like us here at FDL, and them as calls themselves Democrats… However, he did chuck Max Burns out of the House, so that’s a VERY good thing… (The Preznit hissownself had to come to campaign for Max the other day, who’s trying to regain his old seat…)
Peterr @ 48
Try the veal! It’s delicious.
What has happened to the snarkmasters? The mavens of witty banter? Eli? Punaise? We need to put out the FDL witty banter booty call . . .
Just sayin’ . . .
I love okra. I really truly do. And, hmmm, that’s bound to start a big discussion, but let’s just skip it, okay? But, TRex, does your mom have any secret recipes for okra?
OldCoastie @ 19
Yes…. sorry…. But I have some gherkins here…
ck – eli was here earlier tonight but it just isn’t the same without his pun partner. Punaise is taking a month off.
Man Alive !!TRex you have done it again. This piece is better than socks on a rooster.Well done young man, well done!!
Welcome Ladies!
TRex, agree with most everything here…
The South is a matriarchy. Sexism is alive and well here, but what this tends to end up meaning is that the men just think they run everything,
but NOT those tiny crustless sandwiches with the pickles and the cream cheese in them.
it’s those tiny crustless sandwiches with sliced tomatoes and home made mayonnaise in them…
Women control about 70-80 percent of all the food in the South .
Man,oh man, do I miss my Grandma.
I was raised by Southern women. Most definitely a force to be reckoned with.
And food?
Damn! I have had one decent southern meal in the last twenty years.
Had to go to Tenessee for my Grandfathers funeral to get it too.
Nothin’ fancy, Chicken or pork chops, Fried taters with onions, Beans. Cucumbers and onions in vinegar. Did I mention the beans?
I have yet, to find a recipe for the beans they make in Tenessee.
Don’t forget raw onions and plenty of bread and butter.
Best meal I can think of right now.
ck- Punaise is taking a “day job reality check” aka sabblogical until the beginning of October. He is much missed, but I’m sure would appreciate your silent support.
LindyH – ah, the silver lining…
you guys are making me hungry!
I’m off to bed, too, folks.
I’ve had a blisteringly crazy busy week including a car accident (no one hurt). The swarm on ABC has been far more successful than I anticipated. I’m not sure, but this may call for a visit from The Greatest Fighter of Aaaaallllll Tiiiiime tomorrow night.
I’d best be to bed shortly myself. . .
Bustednuckles @ 62
Alright, you’ve made me hungry.
Is that actually Siun the Controversial that Pach and TRex are speaking with on the telephone, or does she have her own Press Secretary now that her appointment has become, at least in the eyes of Jann Wenner’s TradMed rag, controversial?
Bustednuckles @ 61
BK, at whatever gathering of FDL there may be in the next year, I will make it a point to make you some chicken. And mashed potatoes and lima beans and fat fluffly buttermilk biscuits.
But of course, it would have to be on a Sunday for the full effect.
Hope you’re right but as a Georgia ex-pat I’m not so optimistic. It’s going to take some time to erase my memories of the road-rage and hostility incited by our NY license plates when driving “home” in the spring of ‘03. Already GWB had succeeded in planting his evil seeds of divisiveness on fertile ground.
And a pitcher of sweet tea.
And chocolate cake.
Pachacutec @ 38
And for those of you who don’t know what a monstrance is, another word for it is “ostensorium,” (phonetic spelling sorry..) Hope that helps clarify Pach’s post…
TRex @ 68
oh, can I come too?
Well, as a norske midwesterner, pot roast with fluffy mashed potatoes is my kind of soul food . . .
JML @ 71
Can’t go to Georgia, can’t go to Paris, can’t get treated right anywhere: New Yorkers. Whatever happened to “We Are All New Yorkers Today” — oh, yeah, W ruined that too….
Marion in Savannah @ 72
um…no. lol But I can google.
TRex- re: the long ago discussed dim sum in No. Atlanta with you and Patrick. I want the chicken and the mashed potatoes and the lima beans and the fat fluggy buttermilk biscuits. How soon are you available?
TeddySanFran @ 74
Wait until you hear the piece I recorded for the Roots Project Podcast today about 9/11. It talked about the headline in Le Monde, “We Are All Americans Now”.
Well…maybe I can remind the Southern Women that Walt Disney was a perverted sadist….a man similar to Grant! Disney hates Mothers! Look at Bambi. What happened to Bambi’s mother?
Look at all of the movies! Cindarella….where was her mother? DEAD. But they gave her an evil step-mother. Not nice in the days of divorce and blended families, is it?
Boycott! Boycott! Boycott! Disney World is in the South….Southern Women….ATTACK! To Orlando and ATTACK! Disney annihilates MOTHERS!
Why have we allowed this crap for this long?
TRex @ 6
At least Sherman helped save the Union. Bush is destroying everything.
TRex @ 70
I would be honored! (and starvin’!)
Valley Girl @ 78
Sunday is a comin’.
JML @ 69
are you sure that’s something new? I was stationed in MA and drove to VA 20 some odd years ago… took a little sightseeing trip from VA to SC and GA… prolley got stopped by the State Troopers several times a day in every state south of the Mason Dixon line… I learned early on to whip out my military ID… but I seriously KNEW my MA plates on my car were causing the problems…
slade- and I was apalled at the violence in “Beauty and the Beast”, as was my mother. When I visit her, we usually go to movies together. “The Tall Blonde Man with One Black Shoe” (French version, not the anemic remake) was the highlight. Beauty and the Beast was not.
Monstrance.
During Easter Triduum services, it is traditional during the liturgy for the celebrating priest to kiss the base of the monstrance housing the eucharist or “host,” as a representative of the worshipping community, expressive devotion and fealty to Christ.
I dunno when I can cook that big meal, VG. Let me wait until the weather cools off. It makes the kitchen powerful hot. In cold weather, that’s wonderful. In hot weather, it’s like a Native American initiation rite.
good job T- must bail now as i am on a diet and i can see where this thread is going
David Gregory interviewed 3 “Safety Moms” in Fairfax, VA on NBC News Friday night. Two of the three voted for Bush in 04′ because they thought he would do a better job of keeping them safe.
In 06′ the two that voted for Bush don’t feel so safe. They are voting D. It’s a start.
TRex @
70
I fix a badass bucket of whistle fruit.
OfT, but pleeeeeeease don’t forget to suggest some questions for Pumpkinhead to ask BigTime on Press the Meat, an entire hour this Sunday!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032608/
I have already asked whether the Vice President has spoken with Harry Whittington lately, whether the Vice President thinks he and the President will be impeached if the House changes hands, whether he thinks he and the President will be convicted of impeachment if the Senate changes hands, what charges the Vice President speculates he might be impeached on, whether the Vice President will run for President in 2008, whether the Vice President expects we will have the opportunity to elect a President in 2008, and why the President ‘fessed up about the CIA secret prisons — and whether he first asked the Vice President permission to tell us about them.
So, ask away. There’s lot more topics I’m sure you’d like to know about — it’s been three years since the opportunity presented itself!
I grew up in Oklahoma. My father was a native, but my mother was from further north. I never really knew whether I was supposed to be a Southerner, or a Midwesterner, or a Southwesterner, or what. The best evidence I have that I was supposed to be a Southerner is the fact that I like okra (dipped in cornbread and fried in grease) and pecan pie.
TRex @ 85
TRex, having lived through the very same summer, and it has been the worst I remember, I totally understand. I have indulged to heat up the stove to boil water for coffee, but otherwise, only microwave food. It really has been hellacious.
Pachacutec @ 86
Pach, I hope you didn’t take my comment, meant lightly, as any sort of attack. It’s just that you see the word “monstrance” so rarely (and Bush can kiss mine too…)
Oilfield guy: I fix a badass bucket of whistle fruit.
What’s that?
Marion in Savannah @ 55
And all those ladies in Savannah will still be voting for Kingston, so, sorry Trex, enough said.
LindyH @ 95
yeah, i’ll bite. what’s whistle fruit?
TeddySanFran @ 91
I wrote to Timmeh. I asked him to ask the follow up questions to Cheney’s rehearsed spin.
Valley Girl @ 91
I am hoping that fall comes on swiftly and sharply. I want frost on the grass and those days when the sky is all white. Mmmmm, October.
I may need to move further north.
Oilfieldguy @ 90
‘Yer on.
I can cook pretty good, I just have never been able to duplicate the brown beans my granny did.
Wouldn’t mind meeting you anyways.
neurophius @ 92
That makes you a “Sooner”. It gives you the uncanny ability to enter a revolving door behind someone, and exit “Sooner” than them.
LindyH @ 95
A pot of beans.
‘Yer on.
I can cook pretty good, I just have never been able to duplicate the brown beans my granny did.
Wouldn’t mind meeting you anyways.
Likewise!
Oh, I know those beans. The ones you eat fast so you can soak up the juice with your cornbread.
Jean Cocteau’s Beauty and the Beast is fabulous — and no singing teacups . . .
Do northerners have banana pudding with Nilla Wafers in it and a miringue on top, or is that a southern thing entirely?
Lol,
‘Whistle fruit,
Beans ,beans, the magical fruit!
The more ya eat, the more ya toot!
The more ya toot, the better ya feel!
So ,let’s have beans at EVERY meal!
TRex @ 103
The “juice” of mine is damn near as thick as pudding.
TRex @ 103
Thats them!
I was about to ask about “whistle fruit” until the recent replies, when I smacked my forehead and said “DUH…” Of course. Good night, all.
Bustednuckles @ 106
Beans beans, they’re good for your heart.
The more you eat, the more you fart
(etc)
google doesn’t define “whistle fruit”
I’m from west of OK, so no authority, but I’ll bet it’s a bean pot simmered without pouring off the soaking water…
Marion in Savannah @ 109
Marion in Savannah answers the age old philosophical question of the sound of one hand clapping.
OT– But Fitz is getting smeared by AP:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14723718/
TRex- perhaps you can explain about “Pot Likker”. Only had it in the old Mary Mac’s tea room in you know where, and it was delish.
Sorry , Trex,
I didn’t mean to hijack your thread.
I just got a little homesick for a minute.
I used to make some mean frejoles, but anything beyond microwave doesn’t get cooked around here . . .
You’ll notice I refrained from asking what “whistle fruit” means.
OFG, you and my freakin Dad.
“Hey, pull my finger.”
What’s with you people?
Old Coastie @ 84
Not new, certainly, but different. Something definitely stirred up as part of the selling of the war (Iraq not Civil.)
My cooking repertoire is limited. I do a great breakfast, and am learning campfire cooking with a Dutch Oven. Enchiladas while camping absolutely rocks!
Bustednuckles @ 113
No way, man, are you kidding? If there’s one thing a Southerner likes to talk about, it’s food.
And what thread about Southern women would be complete without a discussion of food?
Well, and books.
Busted- Jane gave a crisp reply to someone who was complaining about the content of TRex’s late nite recently. She said: this is a social thread for the late nighters, or some such. Take it away!
Oilfieldguy @ 101
Actually, I was a “Cowboy” (my dad went to A&M). Never got into that “Boomer Sooner” stuff.
Oilfieldguy @ 119
Cast Iron Rulez!!!
I missed this. Did you?
S.2590 The Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act to require full disclosure of all entities and organizations receiving Federal funds, including the creation of a searchable database and website. This is the Coburn-Obama bill. It was passed by the Senate by unanimous consent on 9/7/2006. I assume some action needs to be taken by the House and I do not know how likely that will be.
TRex @ 105
You betcha TRex, I love that dessert. Especially after it has been chilled for several hours so that the Nilla wafers have softened just right. I make the pudding from scratch for it, or for banana cream pie with meringue.
You know, I will be able to go to bed a happy man tonight, just for having been able to use the phrase “Dixie Lysistrata” once in my life.
I don’t even gotta click….
TROLL!
TRex @ 117
My dad too.
“It’s the heinous anus show”
“The toothless wonder has spoken”
Not very classy, but I miss him greatly.
Hey Trex- my mother is from MO. And, back when she cooked, she made Thanksgiving turkey with oyster and chestnut dressing (or is that stuffing?) That was the highlight of the meal. Is this a Southern thing?
Damn, I almost forgot about the ‘nilla wafer and ‘nanner pudding.
Just like Shez said.
Yum mmy!
Oilfieldguy @
119
Leave it to you, OFG, to only be able to cook outside, with fire, and at significant risk of severe burns.
Huge.
Eyeroll.
And Crap! How long’s it been since I had a moon pie?
neurophius @ 122
Three teams make me nervous. Texas, OSU and Nebraska, when we play them.
Nebraska has not been a factor lately, but OSU and Texas, records and talent matter very little, it’s all about passion. OSU has poked OU in the eye many times.
Valley Girl @
129
I have heard tell of this. I think it is a British thing carried on in the states by “uppah crust” planters. My people were too poor for fresh oysters.
Mmmm. Fresh oysters.
Oilfieldguy says:
September 8th, 2006 at 9:35 pm
Bean gravy? Sop to wallop yer dodger in?
(My father was born west of Tulsa, raised in Bartlesville, and went to college – pardon me, carllege – in Stillwater. Half-okie here. He used to ask us if we were ‘raht rill arnery’.)
TRex @ 131
TRex does not camp unless it is catered.
Huger
eyeroll
with
headshake.
I thought oysters came in a can.
Oilfieldguy @ 136
I couldn’t possibly camp without my piano!
Cookbook ecstasy: Nathalie Dupree’s Southern Food and Memories . Try the Benne Seed Wafers and the Cheese Straws
neurophius @ 135
They do!!!
Except for Rocky Mountain Oysters, which come in a . . .
nevermind . . .
Hey OFG- it surely would be a hoot to go camping with you and TRex. Just we three. Just make sure you got the coffee thing covered.
TRex @ 138
Now that sounds campy.
Now that sounds campy.
THANK you for letting me be your straight man (so to speak) on that remark.
Cast iron, okra, fried chicken, hushpuppies. The south gets food. Give me grits’n’cheese any day over duckling with cranberry-kiwi-scallion chutney.
You want manna? Grits’n’shrimp. “Bill Neal’s Southern Cooking.”
TRex says
September 8th, 2006 at 9:50 pm
I thought oyster dressing – no chestnuts in my family – was a midwestern thing, Ohio to Kansas and Iowa to, well, somewhere south of Missouri. Scalloped oysters were big too (crushed saltines layered with oysters and butter, and whole milk poured over before it was baked). My mother only stopped because oysters were getting out of range in price and the jars were getting smaller at the same time.
And, BTW Trex- Jen Nix said on last Jane was flying to LA (L.A.) News?
VG, I most definitely have the coffee thing covered. An old fashioned percolator, works without elecricity. Actually, I have two. I learned to have one a perkin at all times.
Speaking of oysters, the music in this NPR story is incredible.
percy- got a good recipe for grits n’ cheese? Yeah, I could try but the last best I tasted was like Grits and Cheese Souffle, and it was wonderful.
Oilfieldguy @ 137
Was distracted for a minute, ROFLMAO!.
I once used an old tuna can, rolled strips of cardboard in it, and filled it with rubbing alchohol to make a small burner to cook a can of chili.
Yeah, I can do outdoor cooking.
Oilfieldguy @ 110
ASCO beans make your ass go boom!! (my dad taught me and my sisters this one night during intermission at the drive-in movies in the 1960’s. He used to recite it with his friends when he was twelve)
OFG- now we have to get TRex to agree.
percy @ 144
I dunno, percy, I like grits too, but that cranberry-kiwi thing sure sounds interesting.
Like I said, I never was sure whether I was supposed to be a Southerner.
I dunno,
Oilfieldguy @
102
I had to ask.
Valley Girl @ 152
Unless we’re camping out on the 10th floor of some luxury high rise near amazing shopping, fuggeddaboutit.
BTW, You guys have been killer on this ABC shillathon. Hopefully it is DOA. I signed a couple of petitions and wrote a couple of letters, but it was like hanging up an angry phone call from my cell phone. You just can’t slam it down like an old fashioned phone. I’m ready for the marching with pitchforks and shit. They say the pen is mightier than the sword…at distances greater than four feet.
Oilfieldguy @ 157
That, my friend , is a great quote.
Valley Girl @ 149
VG – I do it by feel. Buy a box of grits, not “quick” if you can avoid it. Make up a portion according to the directions. TRex might moderate me for this, but I find it’s fine to microwave grits. Then mix in large quantities (as in about 30% by volume) of grated SHARP cheddar cheese, and I like to add copious quantities of chopped jalepenos and/or cayenne pepper. Oh yeah, some salt is required, and black pepper doesn’t hurt. Sometimes I add a pressed clove of garlic. When it’s right, you wanna sing.
TRex @ 155
TRex- you need to get back to the earth. And, think about it… it could be a great Late Nite post. What I have endured to serve FDL, etc. etc.
Valley Girl @ 142
Oh, fine…ditch me and Paris so you can go play Blazing Saddles…I see how it is! :)
percy- thanks. I can buy real grits here. Will try. Next on the list after TRex’s (and Patrick’s) mom’s recipe for mac n’ cheese.
I couldn’t remember what the topic of this thread was…oh, yeah, “those tiny crustless sandwiches with the pickles and the cream cheese in them.”
VG- BTW, that’s breakfast food.
Kurt- I was put off by your rude remark about TRex multitasking. Seriously. Please don’t do that again, or ixny on the Paris thing. Seriously.
Garlic Cheese Grits souffle and Scalloped Oysters layered with Ritz crackers and drizzled with cream, Worchesterhire, sherry and oyster liquor.
percy @ 163
Speaking of breakfast, I like to eat breakfast out West, where you can get trout and eggs.
Best supporting role for grits in a movie: “My Cousin Vinny.” (And IMO, a damn funny movie.)
Valley Girl @ 161
I know what you need, VG. Buy the non-instant grits, and instead of water, use whole milk or better yet, half and half. Stir in the cheese when it’s all nice and fluffy. That, I think, is what was up with those amazing cheese grits you tried.
JML @ 165
JML: Can you give me directions to your place?
TRex @ 167
so, exactly WHAT is the average cholesterol number in the South… about 450?
percy- “My Cousin Vinny” is one of my all time favorite movies. I guess I missed the “grits” reference. But, the stuff about the tire tracks was brilliant and hilarious. Not to mention…
OldCoastie @ 170
You have to stay active, or you’ll blow up like a bullfrog.
OMG . It’s come to this. Very appropriate for a Fri night party.
And I just dropped in for a minute!
A nice giggle escape.
PS I would have asked too, LindyH.!
Cholesterol testing is illegal south of the mason-dixon line.
What I put up with growing up.
Dad took my brother, my three stepbrothers and me camping when our ages ranged from 8 to 12 years of age. We got to the campsite in the evening and were looking for a good spot, when Dad came up holding a rather large and particularly fierce looking tarantula (aren’t they all?)
He put it on the ground and us boys were oohing and ahing about it. Dad said it dropped on him out of one of the many hundreds of trees thereabouts.
While he told us that, he turned the tarantula over to show us the huge fangs the spider was sporting.
“This time of year, they’ll pick out a tree and hundreds of them will climb into it and wait for a cow or something to walk under it. They’ll all drop out at once, and have the bones picked clean before the cow hits the ground. If you listen you can hear them.”
Well, if you have ever been at the lake in the evening, there is a virtual symphony of bug sounds from everywhere, so we all nodded with wide eyes, that yes, we could indeed hear them.
“You boys go get the gear out of the truck”
You shoulda seen us boys doing the 100 yard duckwalk dash through them trees!
sandlin @ 173
I keep expecting someone to show up and tell us we should be doing something serious, like torpedoing “The Path to 9/11″ or something.
I dunno… I’d prolley have to eat WHILE running to keep up with this menu… and I don’t care for actual running…
Damn. Rick Penberthy lost his primary.
VG – the length of time a true southerner takes to cook her/his grits (lots) is used by the main character (Joe Pesci) to undermine the testimony of a witness.
OFG@175
If we’re going to talk about spiders, I’m going to bed.
TRex @
168
Oh TRex… I think you know what I need. That sounds just right. Especially the half and half part. Because the person who made them (Southerner born and bred) uses half and half in her hot tea. (NOt that that’s a Southern thing.)
TRex @ 172
The french eat like this. but this is the south. Many households don’t do wine.
P J Evans@prev thread:
No large concentration of windmills that I can recall, nor a flagpole of signficant size.
Lots of cactus and ponderosa, though. And on a clear night, you could see the faraway lights of Sante Fe.
neurophius @ 176
What could I possibly add to the discussion at this late date? I am so proud of the netroots and everyone for blowing the story up and hammering away all week, but really, after Jennifer Nix, what’s left to say?
So, it’s grits night!
LindyH
Sourmash
Damn, OFG, You sure my and your dad were’nt friends?
BTW, I have a strange recipe for you. Especially if you are doing breakfast.
If you are doing scrambled eggs, try throwing in a couple slices of Pepperoni. The bigger ones work best. Chop it up into small pieces.
It’s amazing how much flavor it adds.
TRex @ 184
‘ere!
wha, Sherman forgot to burn Macon?
dayyum.
Seriously though, Shelby Foote’s 3-vol. ‘Civil War’ is a v. fine read.
percy @ 179
OH WOW! I will have to watch the movie again for that! Being raised in L.A. (CA native) I somewhat naturally paid more attention to the “car thing” than the “grits” thing.
Makin’ bacon in Macon
Oilfieldguy @ 185
One of my relatives had impeccable sources for his moonshine. clear as crystal, and would take your breath away.
Oilfieldguy @ 186
OHHELL yes!!
George Dickel.Black label.
sandlin @ 173
Okay, how about…
Cyrus Nowrasteh, if offered grits, would say, “Just one please.”
I’m a Trader Joes person myself.
Pass The Peas !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..mp;search=
“I don’t care how he governs, I will support him. I’m a Republican through and through.”
From the same mindset that brought the world Adolph Hitler.
Thanks lady.
-GSD
Bustednuckles @ 186
I’ve made chili relleno’s a couple of times, ala “tooltime tim”
Take yer kitchen blowtorch to blister up the peppers, wrap a paper towel around them and wipe off the skin. slice ‘em open, load with cheese, make a bed in hot oil out of whipped eggwhites and lay ‘em in. Cover with more whipped egg whites, cook, turn, cook remove and scarf.
Tim @ 195
And could you pass me that plate of sliced tomato?
Valley Girl @
17
Okay, TRex, this was a non-food related question. And, bravo previous comment. FDL has real grits.
Valley Girl @ 161
omg, did we get the recipe??? What thread is it on?
percy @ 193
Omigod. TRex needs to see this one.
It’s Been One Week
TRex,
Stepping aside momentarily from the grits –
Should have said earlier how hopeful your piece made me feel. My southern friends are all progressives (you should hear my Texan aunt rail about Bush), so I figured they didn’t “count”, but learning that sensible Republican women are final asking, “WTF?”, fills my heart like…
Well like a fresh bowl of grits and cheese.
NefLes- yep. TRex Late Nite. Sometime recently.
What about a nice chicken fried steak?
cheezy grits…real grit…true grit…Ol’60 Grit..
I’ve GOT to stop free-associating.
mutzali @ 204
Now you’re talking dirty.
Running out to get some Korean food with a friend. Will be back by later.
Love you guys!
Valley Girl @ 203
VG, thanks. Off to search. (Though I must say, this thread is making me really hungry – thank g-d I ate dinner before I read it!)
neurophius @ 206
I wouldn’t be eating any of that.
Now that TRex is gone, can we barbeque a hog over an open pit, or something?
I think that ruined everybody’s apetite.
3sivund– ha ha! you haven’t slipped past me. But occasional FDL therapy is forgiveable, especially on a Late Nite Fri Nite. People have been asking, and people have been explaining about your sabblogical. Hey, TRex, 3sivund is in the house, but don’t let that get to his head.
neurophius @ 210
Yeah,
let’s get all “Lord of the Flies” and shit.
Oilfieldguy @ 210
Grit your teeth and bear it.
Reminding me of southern foods,
My Grandmother was from MO.
She had a sister come to visit once. (been 25 years ago) And she made some buiscits and gravy like I had never heard of, then or since.
She made what she called ‘Chocolate Gravy’.Jeebus, she had to make three batches of that gravy.Never seen it since.
I’m figuring it was just a simple chocolate sauce, Just never heard anything like it.
3sivund- oops, looks like TRex just took off.
Howsa bout red eye gravy?
Bustednuckles @ 215
Is that the kind they make in Spain with cow blood?
Valley Girl @ 217
How is that made?
Even more OT – VG, Grandma lived in Sherman Oaks, and I’ve spent my time in the Valley. Got let out for good behavior. Whenever I come to LA I try to get, from Campos Burrito: an avacado burrito and a cheese enchilada. Both doused alternately w/the red and green hot sauces. Now that’s SoCal comfort food.
The thought of TRex going to eat Korean food kind of makes me picture Godzilla attacking Tokyo. Wrong monster, wrong country, but you get the idea.
Oilfieldguy @ 218
Don’t think so, I was still wet behind the ears. It was probably just a chocolate sauce. I remember she used unsweetend Hershey’s chocolate powder.
percy- I got let out for good behavior too. Will check out Campos Burrito next time I am there. I’m not sure they’re in the Valley, tho. A Pollo Loco ? is all I can remember right now.
WOilfieldguy @ 217
Well, that’s enough to send me to bed with “How Bush Rules”.
And actually I was kinda avoiding it as it was scarey to read
last night. And I only read about 15 pages.
red eye gravy is made with coffee, fyi to whoever asked. (oops- OFG). And it’s a Southern thing, I think.
neurophius @ 221
We have a lady dispatcher that weighs about a hundred pounds’ all of it ornery.
I’ve nicknamed her ‘Atilla the Broadzilla’
She’s rather fond of that name, because it lets everyone know exactly where she sits on the food chain.
Valley Girl @ 225
And is AWESOME!
Great biscuit soppin’.
I’m familiar with biscuits and gravy–sausage gravy–but not with a chocolate sauce.
What part of MO was your grandmother from, Bustedknuckles?
neurophius @ 228
Tryin’ to remember…. Kennet?.Something like that. Seems to me, it was fairly close to the border with Arkansaw. Spell check seems to need a slight adjustment with a tire iron. Hmmph I was right the first time. Arkansas.Fartin’ around here with maps and such, I should have just asked OFG.
I went to school for 9 semesters in MO. It was always so wet there. Cold and hot. Outside of ST. Louis. I couldn’t wait to come back to
CA.
VG- There’s a Campos Burrito in Westwood, another on Santa Monica (I believe) a few minutes west of the 405, another on Pico near the 405&10. There are others (a family owned “chain”) – check the phone book, or google. But the first items to try are the avocado burrito and cheese enchilada.
“Tryin’ to remember…. Kennet?.Something like that.”
Kennett is in the far, southeasternmost part of Missouri, the “Bootheel.” I’ve never been there, but I had a friend whose family was from there. I think it’s a whole other country.
Time for bed, in this time zone. Grit night, all.
Maybe we could keep this picnic going all night long, and when Christy checks in for Pull up a Chair, we’d have breakfast ready for her.
Grit nite too
My grandmother was from MO also and made some mean biscuits and gravy, except hers was made the way I like it with bacon grease after she had basted the eggs with it. I’ll eat sausage gravy if I have to, but when I make it (usually for crowds) I use both chopped bacon and ground sausage in it. Yuuummmmy!
Night firepups
Oilfieldguy @ 237
Night , I took too long referring to my #229. Take care .
I don’t think chestnut dressing is Southern. My dad was an immigrant and the closest he ever got to the South was San Diego, and he handed down an excellent chestnut dressing that is so much work, but worth every minute. He managed restaurants so I can’t say for sure where he got the recipe, though. He had a lot of unusual recipes, most variations on solid American fare. Some of his great recipes died with him, unfortunately.
Just to go OT for a moment, but it has been quite an amazing week at FDL!!! And, newswise. But, I cite FDL because this is where I check for news. The FDL reporting (and elsewhere) of the Path to 9-11 (the Slippery Slope to 9-11) take down has been, like, omigod, awesome. First clear victory was the Scholastic run away turn tail. Granted, I don’t read all of the comments at FDL, but I particularly remember Ed*ward Teller’s early post to the effect that “Scholastic is the pressure point”. And, well, it’s not the first time ET has put me on to something important. And, now, we are holding our collective breath to see how Disney responds. And, just in the prior thread, petefromdownunder reminded me about the sordid right wing history of Mr. Disney himself. This is truly an amazing place, here at FDL. No wonder we are all worn out and need to share recipes. And, maybe, favorite movies? Percy reminded me of one- “My Cousin Vinnie” wherein the grits issue was pivotal to testing a witness. I think the “grits issue” is coming back to kick ABC/ Disney Big Time on this one.
neurophius @ 232
That would help to explain my “whole other Bein’ different!
I have quite the mix. Went there once. Some very decent folks down south.
Shez @ 236
Oh yes! I still do it that way!
night all…
You are right, VG, it has been amazing. You said, “I think the “grits issue” is coming back to kick ABC/ Disney Big Time on this one.” Do you mean that you think the same “Southern Women” who are turning against the Republicans are also going to turn against Disney in the TPT911 blowback?
Shez @ 236
OK, Now I have to ask….
Do you still save bacon grease in a can to cook with? I do.
Well, someone’s working late tonight at KGO-ABC7 in San Francisco — this just arrived in my email inbox, after several days of no response from them:
Keep up the pressure!
When I was a kid, my mother always had a ceramic jar on the stove that she poured bacon grease into, and used it later to cook with. I haven’t seen anyone do that in decades.
neurophius @ 243
Neurophius- I wish I could claim that I was being that “thoughtful” or analytic. I was just playing with the various topics of late, language wise. But, whenever TRex gets back, I’d sure like to know his view on this.
I know the tin can bacon grease thing from my upbringing. We had a great stove with a griddle and drain pan for the bacon grease. And, the bacon grease was always used to start fires in the fireplace.
neurophius @ 247
I’m a heart attack waiting to happen.
But I’m happy.
Old school.
Valley Girl @ 239
Top of my fave movie list – “The Red Shoes” never disappoints….nor any other movie by late master Michael Powell.
3sivund @
201
there’s the one i’ve been missing!!
One of the posters on Eschaton, Max Plank, hit the nail on the head by referring to the fact that the republicans CELEBRATE!!!the events of Sept 11, 2001.
Valley Girl
Re: favorite movies. I’ve always really liked “The Verdict,” starring Paul Newman. I like the way the down-and-out lawyer character played by Newman gets his passions stirred by the wrongful death lawsuit he’s working on and it becomes a vehicle for personal redemption for him. I really love his closing argument to the jury, when that all comes together. I would like to think a time will come in the next few years when this country can experience that kind of redemption as we throw off the chains of Bush/Neocon tyranny and remind ourselves what is good about America. Kind of a loose association, but that’s the way that movie makes me feel.
newpaperbrat- well, I confess to being a Hitchcock “addict” in the sense that I will watch an old Hitchcock film another time, before considering alternatives. Okay, I’m not going to defend his personal pecadillos, but he really was a film master. My faves- North by Northwest, and Vertigo. So, I will try Red Shoes.. and thanks for that… but Hitch….
neurophius @ 254
Haven’t see that one, but it sounds just right. Newman, imo, is an underrated actor, at least underrated as a *seriously talented* actor.
neurophius @ 254
Gawd I’m twisted.
I just had a visual of Karl Rove jumping up and
yelling, ‘ YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!.
Are you still here, newspaperbrat? What can you tell us about “The Red Shoes”?
RGJoe’s called “clumsy” and “awkward” in tomorrow’s NYTimes:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09…..r=homepage
Oh, yeah, and back to the grits thing. This is part of the “My Cousin Vinny” dialog, from source http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0104952/quotes
~~~Vinny Gambini: How could it take you five minutes to cook your grits when it takes the entire grit-eating world 20 minutes?
Mr. Tipton: Um… I’m a fast cook, I guess.
Vinny Gambini: [across beside the jury] What? I’m sorry I was over there. Did you just say you were a fast cook? Are we to believe that boiling water soaks into a grit faster in your kitchen than any place on the face of the earth?
Mr. Tipton: I don’t know.
Vinny Gambini: Perhaps the laws of physics cease to exist on your stove. Were these magic grits? Did you buy them from the same guy who sold Jack his beanstalk beans? ~~~
Maybe TRex could do a riff on “The Grits Defense”….
Lots of people have been asking what the (wingnut only) “controversy” is over Siun being the FDL press secretary.
Someone supplied a certain link to a wingnut post shortly after so I think it started because of a comment Siun teasingly made on the thread announcing her new position:
Daniel Glover over at the beltwayblogroll (nationaljournal) seized upon her new role at FDL and that last remark by saying:
“Unless, of course, they are going to do what new Firedoglake press secretary Christina Siun O’Connell promised in a comment about her role: “I’ll spin until I’m dizzy!”
From there instapundit and others started linking to Glover’s post and voila! they are all just pouty, jealous as hell, little sad WATB’s. Fuck them. Doing a google search I came up with precious little except them saying they were talking
complaining and whiningalot about it but I couldn’t find hardly any examples like they were claiming, and thankfully we’re not privy to their sweaty sordid secret conference calls or cell phones direct line to the WhiteOutHouse phones.There is a Goddess, whew.
Bustedknuckles
For me to think of KKKarl in a movie, I would have to come up with a scene of extreme, violent punishment, with him as the victim…maybe something from the Inquisition…
oh, my, i imagine all the boy bloggers will want press secretaries too, now….
TRex @ 6
biggest difference – Sherman’s strategery worked.
Back from a HS football game in the far north. Reading through this thread, I gotta say, it is one of the funniest in the history of this blog.
My daddy was a recovering Texan. He struggled for years to sound more like Walter Cronkite than Jed Clampett. All my forays into the old south, including my military service have been almost as wierd as the last 30 minutes of “Easy Rider.”
My hopes for the salvation of humanity reside in my faith in women to get the job done and change the worldwide male-dominated destructive paradigm.
Thanks, TRex, for spurring this thread.
neurphius- I kinda seem to remember this dentist movie. And it was not a comedy. Anyone else to tweak my memory?
Ed*ard Teller:
How’s that Stevens scandal going up there?
ET: Reading through this thread, I gotta say, it is one of the funniest in the history of this blog.
Funny haha or funny weird?
Hiya, ET.
VG–Dentist movie? My first thought is Dustin Hoffman in Marathon Man, but I’d rather not remember that dentist scene too well. The only other one I can think of is something I saw on cable TV one night, it might have been called “Dentists in Love”–about two dentists married to each other and one of them has an affair. What do you remember?
sorry to be a bummer but did you all notice that chimpy is addressing the nation for 20 very long minutes before the beginning of the second part of the 911 fiction movie??
cameronga @ 269
I’m not dyslexic, but, BUCK FUSH!
And ED? It’s all good.
Neurophius- it was “Marathon Man”
http://www.filmsite.org/mara.html
~~~In the most memorable torture scene, Szell uses his dental instruments for sadistic oral surgery to torture and extract information from Babe. Szell is the essence of evil and disturbingly effective during the torture, repeatedly asking Babe the question:
Is it safe?~~~
neurophius @ 247
LOL! I have a cream and speckled cobalt blue ceramic jar with the old fashioned lid with a rubber ring and metal clamp just for bacon grease, the only kind I will save. We don’t eat bacon often these days though so it goes empty alot. Like Bustednuckles I have used cans or small jars too. Grandma from MO would put a teaspoon of bacon grease and a pat of butter in her green beans. I miss her.
I thought cameronga @ 268
I thought I heard Keith Olbermann say that Bush’s tantrum would occcur DURING the time scheduled for the 911 trash, and ABC might use that as an excuse for pulling their show…if he is coordinating with ABC so as not to interrupt the propaganda piece, that would be truly despicable.
Valley Girl, if you’re still here,
Thanks for your (what is now) #240. I’m honored. This may have been the most important week yet in this new art/science/technology of building the antithesis to talk radio. And we’re building other things too, some which nobody yet understands.
The right’s AM radio lizard brain approach has worked even better since September 11, 2001, which as somebody pointed out above, the Republicans seem to celebrate more than mourn, than it did before that awful day. But this blog thing creates and distributes positive ideas faster than anything in the history of communication.
Neurophius- yep- you beat me to it. I was off googling while you were posting. You were talking about torture, and that is what prompted my original comment. I *was not* putting that forward as a favorite move.
Oh..duh…I get it, Valley Girl, you were thinking of substituting Rove for Hoffman in that scene? That might work…if you could find an actor 100 pounds heavier, balding, with a face like a pig…
God, I hope you guys are still here-
i know the recipes for all this stuff
the brown beans, the redeye gravy, the chocolate gravy,
AND NONE OF THEM ARE FAMILY SECRETS (like the mac and cheese), so i can (aheh) spill the beans…
anyone still around?
Patrick @ 277
My printer waits with baited breath!
neurophius @ 273
i guess it depends on what timezone you are in. abc will interrupt the showing for the evil one to read his crap where it occurs during the showing.
pol @
113
The cited story is downright stupid:
In fact, Ashcroft already knew Armitage’s role when he appointed Fitzgerald as special counsel, so figuring out who first leaked Plame occupation was never Fitz’s assignment. And, as Marc Ash http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/090506Z.shtml points out:
So the real question is not “What has Fitz been investigating?” but “Why are the mainstream media attacking him?”
Marc Ash offers the theory that Fitz considers the media complicit in the leak, and that the media have been out to get Fitz for impugning their integrity and for jailing one of their own. I think they’re simply responding to an RNC dog whistle.
ET: There’s an Alaska connection to this rather sad story in the NYTimes tomorrow; apparently this woman’s dad ran for governor there long ago….
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09…..f=nyregion
neurophius @ 266
I’m just hoping the real stuff starts coming out soon. Sadly, some of the most vulnerable Alaska state legislators are running unopposed in the general election.
The eclipse of US Sen. Ted Stevens has been sad for me, because I’ve known him for 33 years. We’re friends. But the demise of his son Ben, the sleaziest pol in recent Alaska history, will be satisfying to watch.
Ed*ard Teller @ 281
“Running unopposed” really bothers The Master Kos, and me too. We never know what events will intervene to make even the safest GOP incumbents vulnerable, and therefore should file for every race. Everywhere.
Red eye gravy is made from the drippings (the fat and bits of cooked ham left in the pan) from country ham.
So, here’s how you make country ham and red-eye gravy:
Country ham is called country ham because it’s SALT CURED- which means 1. that it can be kept indefinitely without being refrigerated, if need be, and 2. It’s inedible. So, upside, downside. (Just kidding…)
The secret to preparing country ham properly is to make a layer of it on the bottom of a (cast iron!) skillet, then covering with water. Bring the water to a boil- this will get some of the salt out of the meat. TRex and I’s mama sometimes boils TRUE country ham (which is purchased from a smokehouse and is INCREDIBLY salty) twice.
Once you have gotten a good bit of the salt out, you then simmer the ham until it’s nice and brown. You should cut it in the skillet, so that you have some biscuit sized pieces. Trim the fat off of the slices as it cooks, and set these aside. (You will freeze these slices of fat in a ziplock bag and use them later to season collard or turnip greens or pinto beans.)
Once the country ham is cooked (it will be a little browned on each side) and removed from the pan, there will be some grease and tiny bits of ham left behind in the skillet. Pour a cup of strong black coffee into this gravy and stir it well- the French do something similar with white wine, and I can’t rightly recall what they call this process, but essentially you’re picking up the meat’s grease, salt and flavor with the liquid.
Pour it out of the skillet into a bowl and spoon it onto your eggs or dip your ham biscuits in it.
That’s redeye gravy.
Ed*ard Teller @
274
Yup, it’s the noosphere come true.
All the hardcore food folks either went to bed or are currently pawing through the fridge right now, aren’t they?
ET- I am still here. Your comments (comets) at FDL are always wonderful. You, and Mary (to mention another star), are right up there in my pantheon.
and also, Patrick, I am also still here.
Sorry, I had to go clean out my internet cache because things were not progressing smoothly.
And yes, Neurophius, that is exactly what I was thinking re: the dentist movie.
Patrick @ 285
It’s funny, I would have thought this thread would have made me really hungry, but instead I feel as if I’ve been eating right along with it…and what a feast it has been.
I’m just going to bed, but I may stop by the fridge, just to see, you know.
But don’t you let that stop you, just keep on posting those recipes and we’ll all have a reason to wake up tomorrow :)
3sivund @
202
Just running a little inteference – Howdy!
And it all started with “some of those tiny crustless sandwiches with the pickles and the cream cheese in them.”
Patrick,
Fooking printer tried to give me a head fake, said it was out of paper.
A swift kick to the jowls convinced it otherwise.
keep it coming. And a great big
THANKS!.
Did TRex ever get back from his rampage through Korea?
I guess if he had, we’d have heard him.
Hey Patrick- have you ever eaten at the Majestic diner in Atlanta? The one where the waitresses flick cigaret ash onto your eggs sunny side up?
Valley Girl @ 294
You PAY for that?
I generally do it myself!
TeddySanFran @ 281
It is a sad story. I don’t know her, but her father John Lindauer is the best example in Alaska history of how far a flaming wingnut can go before the shit hits the fan. He was the darling of the far right when he ran for governor in 1998. But he lied bigtime on his campaign finance disclosure forms and got caught too late for the GOP to deal with it effectively, so Tony Knowles won an election he would have lost otherwise.
My wife had to deal directly with John Lindauer back around 1979 or 1980, when she was an elected municipal official. Lindauer had leveraged control of some property the municipality my wife represented needed to purchase. He lied and lied and lied about everything until even the people on the city council he’d paid off couldn’t stick with him.
Busted- well, it’s a kinda home away from home.
Patrick @ 286
Did TRex steal your brontosaurus eggs again?
Hey ET- did you see that I am still reading and that you are in my FDL pantheon?
Patrick- I don’t have to paw through the fridge. I know exactly where to find the peanut butter and the chocolate chips.
Big pot of brown beans-
(this is the simplest recipe ever, it just takes time and bacon fat)
Pour out a big mess of pinto beans in a bowl. Paw through them looking for stones. Once you have all the stones out, cover them with plenty of water, with a couple of inches of over-coverage and let them soak overnight (or for at least six hours).
Later-
Rinse the beans to get the starch off of them. That starchy stuff is what makes you fart, so don’t skip this step unless you live alone. No torturing the missus, gentlemen.
Pour the (RINSED!) beans into a large pot, cover them with water once again. Add a tablespoon or two of bacon fat. (I keep a jar on the stove or in the fridge, just like MY grandma did.) Add LOTS of black pepper, some salt and some cumin. Keep boiling the beans until they’re soft, and keep tasting and adding black pepper and salt until it’s right.
THE SLOWER THEY COOK, THE BETTER. This thickens the sauce, as OilFieldGuy alluded to earlier. Keep adding water so that the beans don’t scorch, but don’t add too much. Let the beans make a sort of roux.
The beans will take a LONG TIME to cook- maybe as long as two hours, or MORE at altitude! So be patient, keep stirring and keep tasting.
Serve with cornbread and glasses of sweet tea.
Mercy, that’s good.
If you want to make these into Mexican beans, add limejuice, epazote and sliced hot peppers to taste.
A quick note — I made it to Europe with all necessary items.
Mornin’.
Shez @
272
Hi shez -
I still miss my grandmother – every day – and I’m blessed by the dreams which bring me her loving voice – a voice I haven’t heard in waking since 1990…
I hope you are blessed with many good memories of your grandmother.
I’m blessed that both of my parents are alive and well, and my 80 year old dad still saves teh bacon grease (in a Yuban can in the fridge).
He likes to make fudge, too.
In one batch of fudge, he was running short of something and used bacon grease instead….
Took us quite a while to get through that fudge – the memories are still with us. Thankfully, the fudge is not!
egregious @ 302
Mornin’ egregious.
Patrick- and thanks for the receipts. I am taking note.
Patrick @ 301
God Bless You!
I knew there was something I was missing!
Also, ET, I read that Jerry McNerny (sp?) has called on Congressman Pombo to return the $18,000 he’s received from Veco. No link, sorry, but check Jerry’s site, maybe he has something up about it. Jerry said in the email I received that since McGavrick (sp?) had given back Veco money, Pombo should as well (since he got more than Mike!)
Guys, I’m home, but I’m beat. Headed off to bed. I’m fookin stooffed. Good dinner.
Nighters!
Valley Girl @ 299
You are my fdl sweetie, for sure, Valley Girl!
I still haven’t figured this place out, but one thing I know is that you are one of the people who consistently comes up with the glue to hold fdl together when then the next growth pains here put pressure on all of us. Thanks.
Boris update, he has had a rough time of it–but still alive, the prize. He had another heart surgery last week to replace a part injured by his earlier sepsis. That in turn helped his renal failure. There will be some tissue loss up to the midfoot which is unfortunately more than we had earlier hoped. He can get a prosthesis. Most likely he will make it and will slowly recover.
The Uzbek baby girl is entirely better and has gone back to Tashkent. Yay!!!
egregious @ 301
Hello, egregious! I was so excited to see the Clinton protest letter, as well as the Albright/Berger letter, included your nom when describing PT911 — you’re quite trendy this week! How’s Europe?
Hi Egregious!
I hope all goes well for you.
If you have a chance, this is a once in a lifetime opportunity for some killer grub!
Valley Girl @ 294
Um… aheh…
funny story, that.
I was once thrown out of the Majestic for being drunk and rowdy. Ask around, NO ONE gets thrown out of the Majestic, but somehow, I managed it.
I don’t remember what I did… but I am sure it was plenty stupid and very punk rock.
egregious @ 302
mornin’ egregious. And what were they? No water or gell bras, I hope.
Patrick @ 313
Something to do with neon thongs?
LOL.
BTW, Trex?
Roll over, I can here you snoring from here.
another recipe-
how to make collard greens (VG, was it you that asked about “pot liquor”? Pot liquor is what’s leftover in a pot of collard or turnip greens after the greens are all gone- it’s the liquid that is left behind, which is often FULL of iron and awfully damn tasty for dipping cornbread.)
Someone once asked me to make vegetarian collard greens for New Years Day, since he didn’t eat meat. Not only did I make them, but here is the recipe, complete with veg—>meat translation at the end:
Step one is to peel the leaves off the of collard stalks. Those stems can be kind of woody this late in the year.
Rinse them well before you throw them in the pot, since they can also be kind of gritty if you’re not thorough.
THEN, soak them overnight in salt water. This helps wilt the leaves and make it so that you don’t have to cook them to mush to make them less leathery.
The next day, well before it’s time to serve them, rinse the salt off in a colander and give the pot a good rinse to get the salt out.
Then, before putting the greens back in the pot, saut a whole chopped onion in a third of a cup of olive oil. Add black pepper, a small handful of garlic cloves, a tiny bit of salt (remember that you soaked the leaves in salt, so you don’t need much), a tablespoon of balsamic vinegar and some crushed red pepper to taste.
Once the onions are translucent, throw the leaves in. Do not add water immediately. Toss the leaves in the oil and let the heat wilt them a little more, THEN add water. Bring the pot to a boil then reduce the heat and simmer.
Taste them from time to time, and just turn the heat off when they’re right. Depending on whether the collards were picked before or after the first frost, they might take an hour to cook or longer. Just keep tasting them. Just before you serve them, grate some smoked gouda and sprinkle a little on each serving (which will give it a nice smoky flavor).
Serve with cornbread.
For the non-vegetarian version, instead of using olive oil, use some bacon grease and/or a couple of ham hocks and skip the gouda.
Something I noticed driving back from the HS football game at the turn of the hour. Flipping through AM radio news, even the Fox news put the disclosures today about the intensity of falsity in Bush’s pre-war intelligence at the top of their story line. The only concession their report made was to have Snowjob saying “This is old news.”
Ed*ard Teller @ 309
ET- thanks so much. Actually, I was thinking along the “glue” lines earlier, tho not in quite the nice way that you put it. I don’t ever have the wits to put together the same kinds of incisive and thoughtful comments that you do. I am not a great political thinker. But, one thing I think I am good at is recognizing talent! And, good people with good hearts. And there is much at FDL. And, I am pretty good at doing research. That was my entree to FDL. A wide umbrella here, thank goodness.
I also have recipes for both white sausage gravy (for smothering biscuits) and chocolate gravy, but I am getting kind of sleepy…..
those may have to wait for another thread…
Reading back through these recipes… now I know why I run marathons… so I can eat this stuff without weighing 250 pounds.
Patrick @ 320
WAIT!!! About that chocolate gravy….?
PLEASE?!!!
Patrick @ 313
Late nite, there are a lot of bowties (or used to be anyway) from the orchestra musician crowd. Perhaps you forgot to wear your bowtie? And, that is a rare honor, to be thrown out of the Majestic. Not that I am speaking from experience, of course… just kinda extrapolating!!!
Bustednuckles @ 321
Oh, right- sorry. I forgot that was the one you were waiting for-
Pour the following dry ingredients into a bowl-
two and a half tablespoons of unsweetened Hershey’s cocoa powder.
a cup of sugar.
two tablespoons of white flour.
a healthy dash of cinnamon.
some chopped nuts, if you desire them.
Stir those ingredients until they are mixed well.
Melt half a stick to 3/4 of a stick of butter in a skillet over a medium to low flame. add half a cup of milk, then keep stirring while you gradually add the dry ingredients. I haven’t made this in a while, so keep an eye on not letting it get too dry. You may need more milk as you add the dry ingredients. If it starts to get too dry, add more milk, but keep it kind of thick.
Once all of the ingredients are simmering, keep stirring it and add another half cup of milk. This should eventually turn into a soupy/gravy like batch of stuff for dumping over biscuits.
Let us know how it turns out!
http://www.slrobertson.com/usa…..anta-1.htm
Majestic Diner: Food That Pleases, Atlanta
Patrick @ 323
I cannot thank you enough.
THANK YOU! I have been looking for that for 25 years.
Hugs and kisses. Seriously.
Sleep tight.
Patrick @ 320
Eat your heart out on this one, Patrick. This is the dinner my wife and I are preparing tomorrow (still 20 minutes away here):
Smoked Copper River Sockeye truffle pate
Roasted beet, red carrot and burdock root salad with goat cheese on arugula
Clam linguine with freshly harvested beach cockles
Kim Crawford NZ Sauvignon Blanc
Is this Patrick’s attempt to hijack Redd’s Saturday morning recipe thread for those of us who usually wake up at EPU daylight time?
Valley Girl @ 322
Oh, I used to be a lot rowdier than I am now, back in my young and dumb days. I have a feeling that Oilfieldguy, Gordon and Fixer from The Alternate Brain and I could sit around all night and tell some stories that would make every sane person who reads FDL shake their heads and say “Lord, god… have mercy…”
When I was 21, I thought women loved me, no one could kick my ass and that all dogs were my friends.
I was sorta right about the dogs. Wrong on One and Two….
Ed*ard Teller @ 326
Wow… now, see THAT ^^^ is what people who can cook make. Me? I just know how to make farm food. Simple, high calorie stuff that satisfies and then leaves you with enough energy to plow the back 40.
I wouldn’t know a chutney from a ganache….
I wanted to go to culinary school, once, but decided to play drums in a rock band instead.
Ed*ard Teller @ 326
Actually, it’s my fault. early on in the thread I got homesick for my Granny’s cooking.Southern style. Patrick was kind enough to share some recipe’s I was looking for.
And as for fresh salmon, My brother caught a 30 pound Chinook in our local river yesterday, and I am going to do a number on it later today.
Not quite as fancy, mind you, but I am hoping it will turn out OK. I do get a bit jealous of you up there. But you seem to be be good people. Have you seen the Eagle again lately?
I could just see your cats getting bug- eyed with it right there on your deck!
Bustednuckles @ 325
Well, I am HAPPY to be of service. I will be re-test flying that recipe tomorrow to make sure I didn’t forget anything. If you do the same, LET US KNOW. It might need a little refinement.
OH, and VG- that’s the Majestic, alright. Just like I remember it. Whew.
Alternate Brain Is on My Favorite list.
I think me and Fixer could swap some horror stories.
Oh, and this is me just burning off some steam tonight. I would bet that Redd has ALL of these recipes stored in her head…!
No, there was just some “Wow, I wish I had this recipe,” and “I wonder how my grandmother made THAT recipe” upthread, and my grandmother decided, once I got divorced, that she wasn’t going to let me go hungry by not telling me how to make all this stuff! She was so mad at my first wife for treating me the way that she did (long story) that she said “I ain’t risking you hitching up with another one of THOSE just ’cause you’re hungry, son…”
LOL. She really said that.
Whatever. But you folks need to know that I sometimes keep a tin of bacon fat in the kitchen. Usually in winter on a kitchen window sill, so it stays solid. My wife thinks it is disgusting.
Patrick @ 332
Gotta love ‘em. They know better than we do!
Ed*ard Teller @ 333
Lol, I knew you was good people.
Bustedknuckles at # 239. A 30-pound Chinook! That’s great. My son caught one almost that big in late June on the Anchor River near Homer. Where did your brother catch his?
Ed*ard Teller @ 336
About 20 miles east of Vancouver WA.
The Washougal river still has a run.
And it was his first one!
Bustedknuckles-
are you a mechanic?
I like to tinker a bit. I drive a ‘72 Dart. I am about to replace the intake manifold (the old one’s got some carbon caked up in the heat exchange passage that goes to the choke spring) and the steering gear (leaks fluid like a sieve) and maybe get a new radiator.
Thinking about, while I have the air/fuel tower pulled off, I might as well sandblast the new one, prime and paint it… so why not do the valve covers as well? And new plug wires would sure look nice…..
you see how this goes…
Patrick @ 338
318 cid motor.
Great car. Keep it! Ya’ can’t hardly kill them.
I am guessing that you guessed it was a 318 because of the crap gooped up in the intake?
Yeah, when I first got it, it had a little tick in the top end when I started it in cold weather.
I mentioned it to a mechanic friend, and he shouted to his buddy across the garage “HEY, Dave! Patrick has a 318 that ticks when he starts it on cold mornings!”
And Dave said “Oh, SHIT! That engine only has about 65,000 more miles on it, then!”
They were giving me a hard time. Then they saw the Dart and both tried to buy it. It’s in pretty good shape…
Patrick,
Take the old manifold off. Go to NAPA, get some stuff called ‘Carbon Remover’. Get a long screwdriver and dig out the hard stuff, then spray that in it and wait. Turns it to black snot, and then rinse it out. No need to get another manifold. continued.
Parick @ # 338,
take the air/fuel tower apart and give it an acetone-toothbrush bath. Sandblasting is inefficient and sometimes destructive to flanges or threads.
Hey ET- I am not a cook, but cookbooks are among my fave bedtime reading. NIght before last, I noted this, from “West Coast Cookbook” by Helen Brown:
~~~The Indian methods of smoking fish were famous, and the white men learned them all, and still use the Indian methods, when cooking salmon out of doors. A modern adaptation of the Indian way is to remove head, tail, and fins of a whole salmon, and to split it, removing the backbone from the inside and being careful not to split through the skin. Now a long piece of sapling, a wood without an unpleasant flavor, is split down a little longer than the length of the salmon, the spread fish is inserted in this split all the way, from head to tail, with a bit of the split wood protruding beyond the fish. (The stick is where the backbone was.) Next three or four crosspieces of wood are thrust through the split and into the two belly sides of the fish, to hold it open, and the top end of the split s tied together to hold everything in place. It will look something like a flabby kite. The unsplit end of the wood is thrust into the ground at an angle, and close enough to a bed of glowing coals to cook it to a beautiful turn. This is called barbecued salmon, or salmon sluitum, and is salmon at its best, served simply with butter and lemon, roast potatoes and corn. A simpler way, perhaps, is to nail the salmon on a board and prop that near the fire.~~~
Enjoy!!
It takes a while, but that is some mean stuff. It is basically paint stripper. DO NOT get it on you. Burns like a MF’R. After you get the passage cleaned out, use ‘Brake Clean’ and clean the rest of it off. New gaskets, new heat riser spring, Clean the carb with Carb cleaner. Use RTV silicone on the ends of the manifold…. Good as new.
Bustednuckles @ 341
I had one lying around, so I went and had it dipped. It’s got the 2bbl carb on it, still, and everyone wants to take the 318 up to 4 bbl, so I swapped something for someone’s old 2bbl intake. I can’t even remember what.
So, I have a perfectly clean 2bbl intake in the barn. I just need to prime and paint it mopar blue.
I have some hardcore mopar buddies. One guy has 19 A bodies in his yard! Darts, Valiants, Swingers…
My true love (that I can afford, anyway) is for the big C Bodies. I love the mid-60s New Yorkers and Newports and Polaras. Big, heavy badass cars. A buddy of mine has a ‘66 300 with dual sidepipes, craiger deep-dishes and bucket seats… I love that car.
Yeah, I am, deep down, a redneck… nothing to be done for it.
VG,
A wet Cedar plank is quite popular to use on a Bar b que also.
Cars can be very predictable, alas. Way back when, the engine of my 1969 VW camper blew up (sucked a gasket oops valve) at 59,999 on a sking trip with my sister. And, that was only the beginning. Apparently these were infamous for self-destructing at the 60,000 mark.
Patrick @ 345
I am right there with ‘ya.
I have a 66 Ford 3/4 ton with a straight six, and a 64 Austin Healy Sprite , that I have a 20 year love/hate relationship with.
( this is after a degree in automotive technology, and 10 years of working at a Lincoln/Mercury dealer. No computers inmy cars!
Just had to get in my CA car talk.
Wow… a Sprite!
There is a Sprite cult here in Athens…
I am sure you know all of the Lucas Electronics jokes, then. I need to go to bed, before I start compulsively telling all of them…
I think that we should have a big FDL gathering at some point, though. The missus and I live on 3 acres, and we have plenty of room for tents and an RV or two. Maybe we should do something this winter?
Winter is pretty mild here. Good excuse for a big bonfire, huh?
Yes, it’s past my bedtime. Thank you, again for the recipe’s. I would love to be able to do a get together. They tolerate me pretty good here.
Thanks VG, like I said, you’re a nice lady,
And good night , Mr Teller.You do some awesome things around here.
Night, Johnboy.
Night, Ellie Mae….
I am going down for the count.
Thanks, Valley Girl. I was thinking this was an all-male end of thread.
………well, good morning early birds, night owls and our far flung ex-pat friends……foggy and still here in Maine……peace and blessings to one and all………
Heh-LOOO, OS and all other early-Saturday arrivals!
I’m fixing to throw my cornbread recipe in with this mess o’ ham and collards and beans, but first I gotta check whether there’s a mod on duty to rescue it as needed . . .
hey, old sow. this seems like our time of “day”. i just got through reading the whole post and it was special. TRex did a great start and it ran like few i’ve read here. i think i’ve been checking in at FDL now for about a year. amazing, what’s happened during that time. and what a week we’ve had. i’m gonna go cook up some eggs now. i’ll check back in thirty minutes or so. keep the fire burnin’…….
YAY! Thanks, *ilson. Typing up that recipe now — back in a few.
Hi there, fahrender, what’s new in Germany today?
Hey Farender, This is for sure my time of day here. It’s when the rest of the world is quiet and not making demands on me. I loved reading this thread, but I’ve gotta say, let me sit at ET’s table. Even though I generally eschew viands, I do go for some of that fish medicine sometimes, but it’s the beets, arugula and goat cheese that sounds like a winner to me. Enjoy your eggs!!
Hello Lotus, how’s the Peninsula today?
And FDL is the best!!
“How long has our side been saying this now? If you’re against abortion, DON’T HAVE ONE. If you’re against gay marriage, DON’T MARRY A GAY PERSON.”
And if you’re against the war in Iraq, don’t vote for candidates who support it.
It doesn’t get much simpler than that, does it?
Mama Brook’s Cornbread
I stress: cornbread, not corncake. If you want sweet, wait for dessert (I recommend the bananner puddin’). The provenance of this dish is rural Monroe County, Mississippi, meaning it absolutely requires well-seasoned black iron — either skillet or cornstick or muffin pan — and bacon drippings. This recipe is for a 8″ skillet’s-worth or the usual-size cornstick pan; I double it for muffins baked in that nice big seashells pan that Chuck Williams kindly sold me many years ago.
Put 1 tablespoon of bacon fat in an 8″ black iron skillet and set in a cold oven. Turn the oven to 450F.
Combine in a mixing bowl:
1 beaten egg
1 cup milk (or, preferably, buttermilk)
1 cup white cornmeal (non-rising)
1/2 teaspoon salt
Sift into mixture:
1 tablespoon flour
1 teaspoon baking powder
1/2 teaspoon baking soda
Stir batter to mix, but don’t beat the hell out of it. When the oven reaches 450 and the bacon fat is smoking, pour off excess fat into batter, stir, then pour batter into pan. Sling it into the oven, and bake 20-25 minutes or until top is nicely browned. Remove from the oven and, with a fork, turn the cornbread to rest upside down on one edge in pan while you locate a plate or basket to serve it in. Serve hot and enjoy what may be, for you Yankees, a whole new concept in cornbread . . .
And furthermore, QBU, when does it get to be time to discuss the whole issue of the military to start with. If we are going to build a new paradigm, which in these days of great environmental change ought to be NOW, that one has to be the first on the table.
OS, if you want to try that cornbread with olive oil (which I never have so can’t vouch for), it might work. Just use an oil that’ll smoke at 450, because the crust is the thing, and its success depends on the batter hitting hot grease and frying like crazy before the baking sets in. (Won’t be the same without that flavor-note of bacon fat, though.)
hi lotus. didn’t see your comment when i posted at 3:30. and QBU, i don’t think i’ve run into you before so i’m one of the old farts around here. OS, i think i could happily eat just about anything on the menu tonight. the southern food made me home sick though. i’m originally from tennessee so the childhood memories were all keyed up. my mom made buscuits like no other. i know, everybody says that, and everybody’s right. the dish that i didn’t here about tonight was fried white corn. i’ve never found it anywhere else but maybe it exists somewhere.
i just cooked some scrambled eggs. gently fried some chopped garlic in olive oil and also some zucchini to go with the eggs. simple stuff.
Lotus: Perhaps not the same without the bacon grease, but then again, maybe I’ll see what a little rosemary in the oil or batter could do. I’ve never yet met a recipe that I couldn’t change!! *g*
LAT has three pieces on ABC/Disney’s mess this morning. The main one is
ABC Stands By Its 9/11 Story — Almost
with an unimpressed review and a Tim Rutten essay that begins:
Hey hey hey!!! Crew — Fahrender hello to where ever you are (Germany?)
Gotta an early saturday meeting — gotta drive down town in a minute but just wanted to stop by and say “good morning!”
lotus,
funny you should mention olive oil while i was typing up my last post. i think it’s easy to destroy olive oil with too much heat. i much prefer your (and others) bacon grease for hot cooking. it is special. iron skillets are as well. i love olive oil both to cook (gently) with and just to eat with a lot of kinds of food. it’s gotta be the good stuff though, so that takes some searching around and some extra coins unfortunately…..
Good morning FDL! I’ve got the Kona brewing. Lotus, funny you mention cornbread, I made corn muffins this morning. (And leftovers make a nifty trifle-like dessert, really. Okay, it might be the red wine sauce I add, but it’s pretty good)
Today at Chez Beard it’s a big embroidery day. I see the end of the damned-kitchen-curtain-project™ and I want it done. (and then it’s on to another emergency calligraphy project)
Say Hi to Bob Mueller for us, Imm, if you see him today!!
I’ve never yet met a recipe that I couldn’t change!! *g*
Amen, OS! This is the only one I’ve never wanted to depart from the original on, m’seff.
hi imma,
i’m in dresden. was it last week that you wanted to send me a message?
Hi Beard, did you ever see my comment to you some days ago about remembering every embroidery stitch I learned in 5th grade, now many decades ago? I didn’t do it for nearly 4 decades but started again once I started dealing in textiles and would have extra time at the shows where I was vending. And it’s a wonderful and relaxing craft, no?
Dresden, wow. Yes, i was looking for you because a friend was headed to Germany and I didn’t know where you were — but she is returning Monday….
Hello beard5! One cup for the road, please!
Lotus — thanks for the corn bread recipe!!
Off to work…. Catch y’all later.
What OS says, imm!
Hi there, beardy. I’ll have a cuppa that, if you don’t mind. You recovering nicely from that donut/rum-drunk-cherry bread pudding, are you?
Morning, pups. Another food thread, I see. I have a terrible confession. I’ve never been to the American South.
Can you imagine anyone listening to The Chimp for 20 minutes? Good grief. Well, I guess it would be those people who are gonna watch The Pith to 9/11 anyway.
Poor meta, and you only think you’ve eaten well all your life. *g*
fahrender, whatever ancient Mediterannean decided that olive oil would be just the ticket for cooking and anointing food — well, whoever she was — my God, just think what we all owe her!
Ron Paul is hot on the Law of Unintended Consequences…….
http://www.antiwar.com/paul/?articleid=9672
Heeee, Lotus. Yeah.
Love, love, love EVOO. It’s a huge industry in this region, so there is a huge selection of small batch really delicious olive oil. My favorite, though, is Spanish. Very peppery and light. Fahrender, olive oil has a high smoke point, 410 degrees F, but as you say, I would never ever heat it much as it destroys its fragrance and taste.
E Teller’s dinner sounded like heaven to me. I once worked with a guy who did me a very serious wrong. We didn’t speak for weeks. It was really major. Then one day he knocked on my office door. I opened to find him standing there holding our a jar of smoked salmon that he’d gotten from local BC Native Americans on one of his treks. A true, true gift. We didn’t have to say much. All was forgiven.
meta,
well, it’s everything you’ve heard and more. i think there has been no place that’s been caricatured more and mischaracterized as much. i’ve only visited there a few times in the past thirty years but for the first thirty nine years it was home. you should go, but only if you have time to really get into it. florida is nothing like tennessee and north carolina is nothing like louisiana, etc.
Old Sow @ 371
Yes indeed it is, OS (a relaxing craft) I think I missed the comment though. I learned the basics of embroidery from my Grandfather, basic satin stitch, hemming and buttonhole, just in case I ever got drafted.
He was in the navy, in the Pacific in WWII, and believes that his ship was spared any great damage because he was embroidering altar cloths for his local church (which they still use, by the way) So embroidery was a necessary, life-saving skill.
lotus @ 375
lotus,
let’s open up a keg of retsina and meditate on that……. i vote for santorini, or florence in april.
lotus @ 373
Yup, I think I can eat again (evil grin here) Dayummm but that’s good bread pudding. I’ll need to make that for the next potluck.
Like Meta, I’ve spent almost no time in anything that could be called the south. One trip to Fla in my college days, a brief interval with a boyfriend in the Blur Ridge area of VA, passing through MO where I have a brother for a while. See what happens when you’re a Yankee inculcated with your parents’ prejudices.
Yes, I can just imagine. When you think of this great big glorious country of ours, you couldn’t ever explain the vast differences between regions – attitude, culture, geography, weather, food, music, art, politics, customs. We are all a product of our primal land. It would be easy to sow distrust and division. That’s why our leaders are so important, culturally as well as politically.
Fahr, what do you for a living in Dresden?
And Paul Craig Roberts on feeling sorry for Bush
http://www.antiwar.com/roberts/?articleid=9675
O*U*C*H
fahrender is 100% right, meta, and you must come see (and taste) for yourself. Some of the local accents may drive you crazy (they do me), but others are as ethereal as good French.
Actually, I think only the top of Florida — the part that’s still main continent — actually qualifies as “South.” The flaccid peni…sula — well, here, it’s more the south end of the East than the east end of the South.
beard,
you’re into some interesting stuff. i wish i knew some of that craft but i’m spread pretty thin right now so yet another project would be foolhardy. not that i ever let that stop me….. no, no, no, this time i will resist!
Oooo, I’m with you, fahrender!
Florence and Santorini???? I’m so there!!! Please, let’s go right now! This very moment! Or April.
meta (#383):
i’m a teacher.
fahrender @ 386
Oh, I’m sitting here laughing. That’s exactly what I said last week, before I picked up about a hundred quilting “fat-quarters” on sale to make miniature pieced quilts (winter project)
Some people have a hobby of collecting. I apparently collect hobbies.
Ted Carpenter…”It’s not Another World War”
And the money quote is……”As we mourn our dead, we must remember that we have more power than our enemies to worsen our fate.” AMEN
http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=6656
meta @ 386
right now the crowds probably haven’t receded enough, and the natives
are still strung out from dealing with them. firenze in april, a perfect tonic for a winter endured, or santorini……
I was raised by a mother and father who believed that whenever you are invited to someone’s home, you should “knock with your elbows”. In other words, you should arrive bearing gifts leaving you unable to knock with your knuckles, therefore, you knock with your elbows.
Our family holidays are New York vs. Georgia. We always spend it in Boca at my brother’s house. His inlaws are Southern Baptists and we are all from Brooklyn. Each side tries to outdo the other. Grandma Buela brings the okra and corn bread pudding and Grandma Pat brings the cannoli’s. My brother cooks up a Fresh Ham with Black Onion Gravy and his father in law brings a Virginia Ham. There are usually about 30 people and everyone comes knockin’ with their elbows!
Okay, fahrender and meta, here’s the plan.
FIRST: One of us wins a big pot o’ money to finance all this, then we meet up and and play all around the Med as long as we want.
Then we get hongry for some good ol’ southern food, so we decamp to the old Confederacy and eat ‘n’ socialize to our heart’s content all-ovah theah.
Wanna do the three-month or the six-month versions?
Oh, and at the end, we run up to New England to visit imm and OS (and the lobstah and crab joints!) just in time for leaf-turning.
Howzat?
beard (#388):
exactly. so, i’ll watch you, from afar, uh, fahr away, well…. (yes, we all miss punaise)
Oh, and we flounce into beardy’s demanding bread pudding, too!
Democrats Maintaining the Pressure on 9/11 Film
By JESSE McKINLEY
Published: September 9, 2006
The Democratic National Committee delivered a petition with more than 200,000 names to ABC demanding the withdrawal of the film.
The rest is behind the gray wall.
Wow, I see that Ahmadinejad just applied for a Visa to come to NY to attend the UN meeting later this month. That should be interesting.
Hi, cc! That peek into your family at Boca has me nearly in tears, it sounds so wonderful.
ccmask(#393):
smells like teen spirit, heh heh heh. looks like we’re gettin’ some mojo, some juice, even if it is DNC. where’s that johnny cash photo?
where’s that johnny cash photo?
Heh!
Much of the controversy focuses on a scene depicting CIA agents and Afghan fighters coming close to capturing Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden in the 1990s, only to have then-White House national security adviser Sandy Berger refuse to authorize completion of their mission.
Joining the clamour for changes in the miniseries was the star of the film, Harvey Keitel, who said he accepted the role as an FBI counterterrorism expert under the premise the story was to be told as “history.”
“It turned out not all the facts were correct,” he told Headline News’s Showbiz Tonight.
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/…..8332188492
meta (#394):
maybe a committee of rabbi’s will be there to greet him ……….
ABC’s Twisted ‘Path to 9/11′
By Tom Shales
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, September 9, 2006; Page C01
Factually shaky, politically inflammatory and photographically a mess, “The Path to 9/11″ — ABC’s two-part, five-hour miniseries tracing events leading up to the 2001 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon — has something not just to offend everyone but also to depress them.
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In an attempt to layer a coat of visual veracity over the film, it’s shot in the style of some news footage — the hand-held camera jerking, bouncing, panning wildly. Faces are framed in absurdly intense close-up, so intense it’s not always easy to tell whom you’re looking at. The gratuitous camera movement and the insistence on reducing people to eyes or noses or mouths become oppressive after only two hours, much less five. This isn’t cinematography; it’s vivisection.
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Lot more of this at the blink…
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01949.html
Bless you, *ilson. If y’all hit F5, you’ll be amazed at how the numbers change.
Thank God for Politics. Otherwise, these Republican outlaws would be hanging out in local parks exposing themselves!
Why am I starting to think that this movie should be showed, in all its fake splendor?
Yeah. lotus. I’ve got a serious case of wanderlust. I really need to go somewhere. So many places to see. I like the flouncing part.
“There are some people, and I’m one of them, that believe George Bush was placed where he is by the Lord,” Tomanio said.
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Yes – he surely was. Just like those dinosaur bones he was placed here to test your faith. If you’re foolish enough to believe him and his neocon ilk, you’ll do th devil’s work. You’ll vote against your own interests, against those of your country and let hate of those different from yourself replace the love and acceptance that Jesus tried to teach you.
Wolcott has a good piece on this ABC/Disney mess. So true it could make you cry.
“There are some people, and I’m one of them, that believe George Bush was placed where he is by the Lord,” Tomanio said.
Is that what they mean when they say, “low information voters”?????????
meta @ 406
LOL information voters………
Is that what they mean when they say, “low information voters”?????????
Clydeene (or whatever her name is) sounds like a “screwed, blewed & tattooed low-information voter” to me. The kind I hope are deserting politics in droves by now, to return to their oh-so-self-conscious “godliness.”
lotus (#396):
okay, baby, you’re in charge. i suggest Paris CDG as a meeting point and we’ll just head south.
PS i agree totally on the Spanish olive oil. some guy that used to work for the International Herald Tribune wrote a great book on olives. reading that really plugged me into the culture….
Head south? on bicycles so we can work off all those lbs we’re going to put on eating? Count me in…….
Good Morning Mornin’ Crew,
y’all are the Amish Firedogs – all about The Up and the Doin’
Lotus – fabulous, true southern cornbread recipe – like rub vs. sauce in BBQ, something Southerners can and will fight about – (personally, I like the ’sweet’ – cream corn replaces buttermilk in my recipe – but don’t tell my Louisianan mother in law!)
transplanted to the south after a lifetime in Calif. – could yack for hours about the differences, cultural advantages vs. disadvantages, etc. But the ‘knock with your elbows’/Hospitality concept lives and breathes down here and we love it
meta, agreed on Wolcott. Did you click through to the Simon Jenkins column he quotes from? Also excellent. It begins:
ccmask (#406):
thanks, cc, i went and read the whole thing. god bless tom shales. wonder what little debbie thinks of that one?
well everybody, looks like we’re off to a running start. i’m gone to read wolcott and then pretend to get some work done. catch you on the flip side.
Woohoo, the more the merrier, OS! You in, cbl?
Got that, Lotus? You’re in charge. I think we just have to come up with a couple of clever T-shirts and the money will flow.
Old Sow @ 415
either bicycles, or one of those old black citroen sedans that we’ll have to push to get our exercise…..
ooooooh, real estate broker just called with an unexpected showing of the building we are selling. First viewing since JUNE. Asking for good vibes……….
Oh, I love pushing Citroens!
Good great big luck, Old Sow!
Far—I love the deux chevaux myself!! But whoever arranges for the bicycles, if that be the wisdom of the group, get the ones with wide plush seats!!!
OldSow: fingers crossed.
Ruh-oh. Organizing ain’t my forte (just ask my former secretaries). I’m pretty good at agitating, but we prolly better off with your organizing, meta.
Echoing cc & meta, OS, and you on the deux chevaux!
Fingers crossed for you over here, OS.
(And I adore Deux Chevaux, lovely cars, have all the legroom of an egg carton, but they’re a lot of fun)
Pull up a chair upstairs! See you all there!
lotus @
428
Well, I dunno. It’s a habit I’m trying to break.
Do I count as a southern woman?I’m not from GA but have lived here for the better part of two decades plus,half my life.I moved here from south eastern Ohio of all places(frying pan into the fire,anyone?),back in the 80’s when the auto industry folded up north.That probably makes me a Damned Yankee I think.
Some observations,from my own white suburbia experience:
1)While it’s true alot of folks seem to be ticked off at their GOP,it seems they’re upset that the right hasn’t been extreme enough for them.These folks might stay home on election day,much will depend on what the GOP here does to rile people up between now and November.
2)I do see a shift that brings me a bit of joy.The bunch of moms that had kids in elementary school when ShrubCo took over now have kids who are in middle school.The realization that this war could sweep their kids into the middle east conflicts has opened some eyes.I doubt I am the only mom who had the realization over the summer that her son is a young man now,not a little kid.It seems like the years between 10 and 13 yrs old brings with it rapid physical growth and a bit more maturity.It hit me when we were shopping for school clothes this year.No more boy’s dept shopping or kid’s shoes,it’s the men’s dept for us,and the realization that the baby years are over.I doubt that message is lost on many moms with kids moving up into middle school.So,along with the regular worries all moms have as their kids grow up,we have war to think about as our kids reach enlistment age.For me,that comes in 5 short years,and with kids,that time flies by pretty fast.
3)Never underestimate the power of the megachurch down here.Alot of these churches are also polling places,and some of these churches are HUGE,with thousands of members that are hard core GOP.There’s also practically NO Dem activity of any sort in my neck of the woods,I don’t know if the party has written off this part of the state or if it’s just where I am,but the GOP has deep pockets here(this is the place that brought the world Newt and Ralph Reed,and they’re grooming more just like those two)and little if any opposition.This area is also home to a large defense contractor(no war means job losses to the folks here.A tactic used on the job to scare workers into voting Repub since 2000)which plays into the politics of the area as well.
4)The housing market might be a wedge issue.Thousands of McMansions have sprung up on what used to be mixed forest and farmland.Urban Sprawl.Problem is that the number of really expensive homes being built don’t match the number of high paying jobs in the area(you can’t find a new home here for less than a half million bucks).Sooo,this means alot of homeowners here had to have got sucked into”creative financing”,like interest only loans.This means some folks are going to be finding themselves with HUGE mortgage payments they can’t afford pretty soon as the terms expire on those loans.Throw in more expensive everything due to high gas prices,expensive monthly car payments on SUVs and luxury vehicles,and all of the sudden that upper middle class lifestyle is going to start taking many hits.This could wake up red state America,IF the point can be driven home that today’s conservative party is not a friend to people who have to work for a living.
I don’t want to badmouth Dems here in GA,but honestly,they’re not very progressive in their thinking.I’m speaking generally,not specifically,just drawing on my own experiences.I’ve been to party meetups for both parties over the years,and there’s little difference besides the amounts of money they have to spend on campaigns.Neither party is very welcoming to someone like me who doesn’t own a business suit and probably never will.For Dems to win here,they’ve got to embrace something different to break this lock on the status quo,and it means using resources and having feet on the ground.A LOT of feet.Any progress on this front will be slow going,but it has to start or it will be tougher as time passes.
Indeed, beardy, there are a few situations in life where being not-quite-5′2″ pays.
Can’t you just imagine a parade of deux chevaux with the FDL logo? LOL Actually, given the cost of fuel en Europe, plus the egg carton type legroom, maybe we should just walk to Santiago de Compostela………
for whom the Belles toll?
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frankly I love to see Titles like this one, BUT as has been shown from phone bankiing, and some relatives I have in the South, these women will tell you when asked who they are voting for, “I have to ask my Husband”. These are the same women who when an office collection is taken up or someone selling cookies, they have to call their husband to see if it is ok to write a check.
So I am not expecting any kind of huge influx of Southern women votes for Democrats. Most of them do not appear to have the guts to go against their menfolks!
Morning kids — Pull Up A Chair is ready for fresh thready goodness.
Bergs, you just proved that you know very few southern women.
Good post but a few facts on Sherman. Atlanta before the war was a small town that grew into a railroad center for shipping arms and supplies to Confederate armies. Sherman destroyed Atlanta. Milledgeville, the capital was invaded and pretty much destroyed by Sherman.
Sherman did not attack Macon (as you correctly note), nor did he attack, Augusta. Savannah was captured by Sherman in December, but nothing there was destroyed. Sherman demanded that the city officials remain in place and provide police, fire and other services for the city. Sherman demanded that the city return to normal life. Contrast this with the US firing the police and other government officials in Baghdad and allowing looters to plunder the city. Sherman did not destroy “cities” in GA with the exception of Atlanta. He marched primarily through rural areas destroying food that could otherwise supply the confederate army.
Sherman did destroy other state capitals as symbols of the confederacy. In addition to Milledgeville, Sherman also destroyed Jackson, MS and about 1/4 of Columbia, SC. Sherman’s army made a swath of only about 60 miles through GA, a state that is almost 300 miles long or about 1/5 of the total. Most of the area in Georgia was plundered but not completely destroyed. However, much of the swath through SC (blamed by the North for starting the Civil War) was totally destroyed as “punishment”.
The same General Sherman who marched through Georgia also gave us “40 acres and a mule”, the policy that gave the liberated black slaves that followed his army to Savannah agricultural lands abandoned by plantation owners. Instead of placing the former slaves in camps with handouts, Sherman issued them the land and tools to start on a new life farming their own 40 acres. Contrast that with our Iraq policy of marginalizing the Iraqis and giving the rebuilding to outside contractors! Sherman was also lenient in his terms with former enemies, so lenient in fact that his removal was threatened if he did not renegotiate the final surrneder of the Confederate Army at Raleigh. Sherman most of all feared that the Confederate Army would not disband but would break up into small units of partisan warfare. Sherman wanted to avoid that outcome and did everything he could to re-establish former soldiers to their former way of life.
The point is that the US Military has a history of doing occupations and preventing insurgencies and that history was ignored by the Bush administration. Sherman would never have conducted the kind of campaign waged in post-war Iraq.
“Sherman would never have conducted the kind of campaign waged in post-war Iraq.”
I never call it a war, so my preference would be post-INVASION Iraq.
Marion:
Heavens, no! But I also knew the reference was a little obscure, even if I was highly entertained by my own wordplay. I thought I’d add a little background for the crowd. Thanks for asking, but please know, I’m not one of these people who goes through life with a open receptors for taking or finding offense. Good on ya. . .