"… In other words, we said to Osama bin Laden we think getting rid of Saddam Hussein is seven times more important than dealing with of you. – President Bill Clinton
So, after Bill Clinton got through ripping ABC and Republicans, with a little help from his lawyers, I started thinking. What does John Kerry think about "Path to 9/11"? So I emailed my contact in Kerry’s Senate office.
Then I’m working this morning, in the middle of a conference call actually, when my cell phone rings. It was John Kerry.
After quick pleasantries, Kerry took off. If Iger’s office door was open at the time he could have heard Kerry all the way from Massachusetts. Talk about ticked. He let rip. Let’s just say Kerry’s fed up and he’s not going to take it anymore. After our conversation, which lasted around 15 minutes, I got a statement from him that says it all.
What I find most stunning in all of this is that now five years after the real 9/11 – as if any fiction could somehow make more searing what each and every one of us lived with our own eyes and ears – is that we need less revisionism about the past and a hell of a lot more reality about what’s going on now. Right now.
Instead of the fiction written to excuse the invasion of Iraq by exploiting the 3,000 mothers and fathers, sons and daughters who were lost that day — they were attacked and killed not by Saddam Hussein but by Osama bin Laden – we need the truth.
Here’s a little truth: The President pretends Iraq is the central front on the war on terror. It is not now, and never has been. His disastrous decisions have made Iraq a fuel depot for terror – fanning the flames of conflict around the world.
The terrorists are not on the run. Worldwide, terrorist acts are at an all-time high, more than tripling between 2004 and 2005. Al Qaeda has spawned a vast and decentralized network operating in 65 countries, most of them joining since 9/11. The Taliban now controls entire portions of southern Afghanistan, and just across the border Pakistan is just one coup away from becoming a radical jihadist state with nuclear weapons. The Middle East is more unstable than it has been in decades. Hezbollah flags fly from rooftops in Shiia slums of Sadr City and Iran is rebuilding Southern Lebanon. We have an Iraqi Prime Minister sustained in power by our forces, who will not speak against the Hezbollah terrorists, who will not say that Israel has a right to exist, and who will not condemn the Iranian nuclear program, who will not even as a national leader support the national army over the Shiite militia. In other words, the Iraq government that the administration cites as the front-line force in the fight against terrorism won’t even take our side when we are fighting terrorists. No American soldier should be asked to stand up for an Iraqi government that won’t stand up for the values and interests that draw them into battle every day. Oh, and the 9/11 commission recently gave our government a failing grade on implementing intelligence reforms.
I love watching movies, but with the world looking the way it is right now I think this is a good time to stick with just the facts. After Iraq, we’ve all had enough fiction to last a lifetime.
Senator John Kerry
"Path to 9/11" intends to blame President Bill Clinton and his administration, not only for 9/11, but for not catching Osama bin Laden. Never mind the Republican Congress that was focused on Bill’s zipper.
I don’t know if you saw Kerry on "Hardball" yesterday, but after slamming Bush on his torture policies, Kerry nailed George W. Bush, Donald Rumsfeld and Tommy Franks yet again for letting bin Laden get away at Tora Bora. The facts about Tora Bora are no longer up for discussion, because it’s been documented time and again. Gary Berntsen was the "guy on the ground" (emphasis added below).
BERNTSEN: We had locations on him, we had human source reporting which had proved reliable throughout the war. And that is why we won the war so rapidly. We had picked up a radio off of a dead al Qaeda member and we’re listening to bin Laden pray with his people, apologize to his people for bringing them in there.
I had CIA’s top Arabic linguist with me, who had listened to bin Laden’s for four years. We threw a 15,000-pound Blue 82 at them and then we had B52’s conduct strikes on the same areas where he knew he was. He was willing to constantly sacrifice the lives of young Muslims to save his own skin.
O’DONNELL: You have said, “I knew exactly where he was.”
BERNTSEN: Yes, we did know exactly.
O’DONNELL: So why didn’t you and his team go get him?
BERNTSEN: Well of course there was quite a bit of fighting going on.
We had about 2,000 Afghan allies that were the Eastern Alliance, which was created. There were gun fights, there were gun battles. We were trying to . we moved up the mountains, you know, with these Afghans.
The Afghans were less than reliable and this is why I was calling for ground forces. And I called for, you know, 600-to-800 rangers to be inserted in there, and had 600-to-800 rangers been inserted, we probably would have ended the thing.
O’DONNELL: So you called for backup and you didn’t get it?
BERNTSEN: Well the point was, that wasn’t my call in the end. I made the request in the first two or three days of December. We initiated that operation. We inserted our team in late November into Jalalabad there.
O’DONNELL: So did General Tommy Franks, the four-star commander, did he deny you those rangers that you requested?
BERNTSEN: Well, I requested the rangers directly from the commander of JSOC, who was on the ground out there. And of course, their decision was not to do that. They were pleased with the fact that we were killing several hundred of them a day.
The problem is this: when you are fighting terrorists, success for the terrorists is not defeating us on the battlefield, it’s escaping. And I was trying to make sure that we eliminated every single one of them. And in that case, we didn’t.
We killed quite a large number of bin Laden’s force. We killed 75 percent of the people there. He did cross the border. You may recall that 130 of them were captured by the Pakistanis on the back side of Tora Bora, but bin Laden and his element were able to escape.
O’DONNELL: You were on the ground, Gary, and we understand that, but General Tommy Franks, who’s now retired, says that you are wrong.
BERNTSEN: Well, I was the guy on the ground.
"Path to 9/11" is yet another chapter in the ongoing fictional saga we’ve been fed over years of the Bush administration’s reign and the Republican Congress’s rule. The worst of it started with 9/11, but continues into Iraq. It always leads back to the lies coming from the Republicans in power, starting at the very top. As Daniel Ellsberg once said, "You don’t have to be an ichthyologist to know when a fish stinks."
…In his bunker under the White House, Vice President Cheney was not notified about United 93 until 10:02—only one minute before the airliner impacted the ground. Yet it was with dark bravado that the vice president and others in the Bush administration would later recount sober deliberations about the prospect of shooting down United 93. "Very, very tough decision, and the president understood the magnitude of that decision," Bush’s then chief of staff, Andrew Card, told ABC News. Cheney echoed, "The significance of saying to a pilot that you are authorized to shoot down a plane full of Americans is, a, you know, it’s an order that had never been given before." And it wasn’t on 9/11, either.
President Bush would finally grant commanders the authority to give that order at 10:18, which—though no one knew it at the time—was 15 minutes after the attack was over.
But comments such as those above were repeated by other administration and military figures in the weeks and months following 9/11, forging the notion that only the passengers’ counterattack against their hijackers prevented an inevitable shootdown of United 93 (and convincing conspiracy theorists that the government did, indeed, secretly shoot it down). The recordings tell a different story, and not only because United 93 had crashed before anyone in the military chain of command even knew it had been hijacked.
At what feels on the tapes like the moment of truth, what comes back down the chain of command, instead of clearance to fire, is a resounding sense of caution. Despite the fact that NEADS believes there may be as many as five suspected hijacked aircraft still in the air at this point—one from Canada, the new one bearing down fast on Washington, the phantom American 11, Delta 1989, and United 93—the answer to Nasypany’s question about rules of engagement comes back in no uncertain terms, as you hear him relay to the ops floor. … …
9/11 Live: The NORAD Tapes (emphasis added)
Kerry is pissed about "Path to 9/11", which gets down to another attempt to swiftboat the Democratic Party on issues of national security in an election year, something he knows a bit about. Kerry will be giving hell to Republicans all weekend, first in a speech tomorrow, then on "Late Edition" with Wolf Blitzer, where Dick Cheney will be in his sights, as will ABC’s desperate docudrama, "Path to 9/11."
If you haven’t heard, Cheney will be Tim Russert’s "exclusive" guest on "Meet the Press" on Sunday. I’ve got one question for Dick: Why did you lie about the decision to shoot down Flight 93?
From the tone of our conversation today, if Kerry had just five minutes with the vice president I bet he’d get a straight answer and he wouldn’t have to use waterboarding to get it.
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Fitz!
Restore truth, honor and dignity to America!
Impeach and try them all for war crimes!
Taylor!
Keep up the pressure, people! These folks answering the phones, reading and answering the emails and re-filling the FAX machines just want to go home to spend the weekend with their families — continued pressure can make their lives hell!
We can stop this.
Thanks, Taylor.
OOOHHH RAAAHHH!
amen and thanks Taylor!
Blogger is down, taking down Atrios and everybody else hosted there.
No one in my Massachusetts family ever thought Kerry had any guts.
How come he is getting them 2 years late?
At least he’s working it now.
“Blogger is down, taking down Atrios and everybody else hosted there. “
It’s a hack job by Lieberman. Or ABC. Or Disney.
Give ‘em hell, Kerry, like you didn’t in 2004. You owe it to us.
did [dangerstein] hack blogger?
inquiring minds want to know. where’s tweety?
TeddySanFran @ 11
Has Joe stopped beating his wife yet?
FYI – I’m holding “Hubris” in my hands right now.
bdu – based on your comment/request yesterday, take a look at:
Enter a permalink from any supported blog and you’re good to go. No need to mess with constructing the URL yourself.
[Brought foward from previous thread]
mark
If you think that Pumpkinhead might forget to ask BigTime the question YOU want answered, you can suggest it here:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6913788/
Really great post Taylor!
Thank you so much for this piece, Taylor, and for the energy you bring to your work. This is an important clarification, and gives us another bit of hope about the palpable momentum to take back our government.
Everyone raise their voice.
TeddySanFran @
11
that’s Donger-SSHTEEEN !
Hey RBG, TSF and thanks, angie.
Nice sentiments, John.
You get applause from me after you go on a couple of national shows this weekend and pound them like a stake through the hearts of a couple of Republicans.
Not before.
Eddy
//hoping and praying of course that he does it
Mark Steckel @ 14
Thanks Mark, that’s exactly what I had in mind (with the bonus of restricting input to blogs on our side)! Now the less technically-inclined FDLers can do this easily.
Might warrant a front page note to let people know it exists?
Great post. But you know that Timmeh will not be asking Uncle Dick any hard questions at all.
Tom Keane the republican 9/11 commisonar who supports ABC has a son running in New Jersey for a senate seat. I wonder if Tom realizes that pissing on the 9/11 familes with a bunch of lies is not a good thing to do when your state is so close to New York. Not only that but pissing liberals off with these lies before an election is not a good idea if we decide to make Keane Jr the next Joe Lieberman!
Boycott Disney!
Heya Taylor, great piece!
So for the lawyers among us, how do average citizens go about getting the FCC involved? I don’t mean seeing it through to the end, but how do we make even more waves over this stinker?
Thanks for the update, Taylor, and terrific reporting, BTW. I think that John Kerry works best when he’s fired up, and this sure looks to be one of those times. Personally, I would want to be anywhere near Disney HQ right now.
I want a non-R presidential candidate who talks like this on the trail, not years later.
bdu @ 21
Presuming you mean Spotlight’s front page, good idea. Anyone else’s front page works for me too. :-)
Congrats on getting Kerry to Rant for you on the phone. I wish his press release had the passion I’m sure he was able to convey to you off the record.
In the immediate past thread, I highlighted that the more I find out about the producers of PT911. the more I’m convinced they’re a seriously anti-Semitic cult. We need to keep investigating this and highlighting the worst, most shadowy aspects of this affair.
WOW. Taylor, you sure know how to kick this place up a notch!!!
For once I wish I smoked; I feel like I need a cigarette after reading that. Phew.
Senator Kerry or staffers — in case you’re checking in — thank you so much for the straight talk, and for taking the time to talk with Taylor.
Meanwhile, over at the Last Throes backlot:
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“…Afghanistan is facing its deadliest spate of violence since U.S.-led forces toppled the hard-line Taliban regime for hosting Osama bin Laden. Hundreds on both sides have been killed each month this year.
A roadside bomb hit an Italian military convoy in western Farah province Friday, wounding four troops, one seriously, NATO and the Italian Defense Ministry said.
Some 20,000 NATO soldiers and a similar number of U.S. forces are in Afghanistan trying to crush an emboldened Taliban insurgency. The heaviest fighting takes place across vast desert plains in southern Helmand and Kandahar provinces, also center of the country’s massive opium trade.
“The fighting is extraordinarily intense. The intensity and ferocity of the fighting is far greater than in Iraq on a daily basis,” Brig. Ed Butler, the commander of British Forces in Afghanistan, told British ITV news.
He echoed NATO commander Gen. James L. Jones’ call Thursday for more troops. Jones, who said the next few weeks would be decisive in the fight against militants, was expected to press officials from the 26 NATO member states for more soldiers and air support at talks being held in Poland on Friday and Saturday…”
http://articles.news.aol.com/n…..0009990001
Things ‘r goin’ really swell, ‘eh, GeeW?
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beth meacham @ 22
And Mark said “Let there be SPOTLIGHT, and there was SPOTLIGHT, . . .”
Maybe if a couple folks spotlight this to Russert, it might give him a few ideas . . . and if you spotlight it to his competitors and Russert ducks, it might give THEM a few ideas.
. . . and we saw that it was good. Damn good.
AmericaBlog, also hot on the heels of the Mouse, is also a blogger/haloscan product, down as well. Hmmmm.
Well, we won’t let that stop us from hounding these propagandists.
Aux armes, citoyens! Formez vos bataillons!
You know the drill. Marchons!
Taylor –
Thank you for this post. I am a big fan of yours, and because of time restraints, don’t get to your blog anywhere near as much as I ought or want to. Bless you for all you do!
hmmm wonder if Teresa owns any Disney stock….
who owns a big share? anyone know how to find out?
Thanks Kurt, Rayne. Hey Cujo359, and I agree. Kerry was in rare form today on the phone. It was like talking to my brother. We just went at it over “Path to 9/11″. When it came to Tora Bora, he exploded. Bush letting bin Laden get away still pisses him off in the extreme. It was great. He was so good on the phone I wish I could have taped the whole thing and blasted it across the web.
Thank You Taylor!
MaryCh — we had a non-R candidate like that, straight-talking straight-shooter.
DLC f*cked him, right along with the Repugs during the primary.
His name is Howard Dean.
John Kerry should use 1 word for every 5 there are in his head at any given time. Seriously, the dude talks like he’s his own thesaurus & think-tank.
I really hope he doesn’t run for President. I know in his heart he thinks he should be, but I think he’s just not the kinda guy I wanna have a beer with, y’know? *g*
I will take bets that Russert will ask the questions people are suggesting, but then let Dickie off with spouting his oh-so-soft-spoken trash without following up. That is what turns my soul watching him, he let’s his ‘friends’ just spout nonsense and he just keeps smiling and noding. With dems he attacks — he will give Dickie cookies and milk.
I just e-mailed this to my local ABC affiliate, KOMO. I wish I’d sent it yesterday, but it’s taken me this long to calm down to the point where I was only this angry:
Part One of this piece of tripe has already been broadcast in the United Kingdom [3] [4].
Like many people who have ties to the East Coast, I spent most Sept. 11, 2001 wondering if the people I knew who lived and worked in New York City and at the Pentagon were OK. My step-sister worked less than a mile from the WTC. Thankfully, all were OK. Millions of Americans went through some version of that story on September 11, 2001, and thousands received the news we all dreaded. As far as I’m concerned, by broadcasting this mendacious propoganda, you are showing callous disrespect for the victims and survivors of that tragedy, as well as doing a horrible disservice to your country by misleading them concerning how this tragedy happened.
ABC’s explanation so far has been that no one has seen the edited version, so we have no business criticizing. That is nonsense. The version shown on the BBC would require removal of much of the content before it would cease to be an atrocious distortion of history [5]. Richard Clarke, who was the anti-terrorism chief for both Presidents Clinton and G.W. Bush, has stated that an entire scene was completely fictional, and distorts the truth completely [6]. They also claim, though they offer no proof, that there are equal numbers of people who complain about the program’s treatment of President Bush. This is not an excuse; it is irrelevant. There is no possible excuse for such willful distortion of the truth on a matter this grave. If some of those distortions have made President Bush look bad, you have done no one any service.
For years, I’ve watched programs like “Lost”, “Boston Legal”, and “Desperate Housewives” on your station. I have also watched “Da Vinci’s Inquest”, which you have shown late at night in syndication. If you show this dreadful piece of revisionist political trash, however, that will no longer be so. I will program your station out of my television and off my DVR and VCRs. Your channel will cease to exist in my TVs, because you clearly have no respect for your audience, the truth, or your country.
[1] Zap2it listings as of 2:00 AM, Sept. 8, 2006
[2] ‘”Path to 9/11″ Maker Has Evangelical Ties’, TPM Muckraker http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/001491.php
[3] ‘”Path to 911″ is a joke on BBC’ – Helen, European Tribune http://www.eurotrib.com/story/2006/9/6/75749/52989
[4] Google search of BBC website yields listings for “The Path To 9/11″
http://www.google.com/search?q=site:bbc.co.uk “The Path To 9/11″
[remaining footnotes in a followon comment. Don’t try link [4], it doesn’t display properly on this forum.]
Peterr @ 31
OK folks. Its going to be hard not to let this go to my head. :-)
Let’s make our voices heard and see if we can get these guys to pull this blatantly obvious Bush propaganda. ABC may profit from the predictable controversy but airing a film designed to obfuscate Bush’s responsibility for 9/11 will cause ABC to suffer greatly in the estimation of serious people.
Disney and ABC should leave the RNC propaganda to Fox, it’s not ABC’s demographic.
Robert Iger – CEO – robert.a.iger@disney.com
Rich Ross – President of Disney Channel Worldwide – rich.ross@disney.com
Sean Cocchia – VP/Business Development, Disney Channel Worldwide- sean.cocchia@disney.com
Gary Marsh – Disney Channel Worldwide President of Entertainment – gary.marsh@disney.com
Sarah Shelton – Assistant to Gary Marshsarah – shelton@disney.com
Scott Garner – SVP/Programming, Disney Channel – scott.garner@disney.com
Karen Myer – Assistant to Scott Garner – karen.myer@disney.com
Meredith Metz – Senior Vice President, Creative Affairs, Walt Disney Television Animation – meredith.metz@disney.com
Lisa Salamone – The Head of Animation Production, Disney Channel – lisa.salamone@disney.com
Joanna Spak – The Head of Finance, Planning, etc., Disney Channel – joanna.spak@disney.com
Mark Kenchelian – The Head of Business and Legal Affairs, Disney Channel -mark.kenchelian@disney.com
Jewell Engstrom – CFO and Executive VP for Disney-ABC Cable Group – jewell.engstrom@disney.com
Olivia Stafford – Assistant to Jewell Engstrom – olivia.stafford@disney.com
Albert Cheng – EVP/Digital Media, Disney-ABC Television Group – albert.cheng@disney.com
Karen Hobson – Digital Media Communications Office, Disney-ABC Television Group – karen.hobson@disney.com
George Bodenheimer – Co-Chairman Media Networks Group – george.bodenheimer@disney.com
Nicole Nichols – Senior VP of Entertainment Communications, Disney-ABC Television Group – nicole.nichols@disney.com
Aime Wolfe – Assistant to Nicole Nichols – aime.wolfe@disney.com
Patti McTeague – VP of Kids Communications – patti.mcteague@disney.com
Siobhan Kenny – Acting Head of International Communications – siobhan.kenny@disney.com
Paul Lee – ABC Family Channel – paul.lee@disney.com
Annie Fort – ABC Family Media Relations – annie.fort@disney.com
Alex Wallau – President of Network Operations & Administration – alex.wallau@disney.com
David Westin – ABC News President – david.westin@disney.com
Mike Shaw – ABC Sales and Marketing President – mike.shaw@disney.com
Fred Kuperberg – Disney/ABC Executive VP of Business and Legal Affairs – fred.kuperberg@disney.com
Kara Rousseau – VP of Ad Sales Marketing for Disney/ABC Kids Networks – kara.rousseau@disney.com
Kim Harbin – Buena Vista Media Relations – kim.harbin@disney.com
Anne Gates – Disney Consumer Products Executive VP & CFO – anne.gates@disney.com
James Fielding – Senior VP, Retail Sales and Marketing for DCP – james.fielding@disney.com
Deborah Dugan – President of Disney Publishing – deborah.dugan@disney.com
Graham Hopper – Senior VP and General Manager of Buena Vista Games – graham.hopper@disney.com
Angela Emery – Director of Public Relations, Buena Vista Games – angela.emery@disney.com
Chris Bess – Buena Vista Home Entertainment – chris.bess@disney.com
Peter Murphy – Senior Adviser to Mr. Iger – peter.murphy@disney.com
Judy Estrin – Board of Directors – jestrin@packetdesign.com
John Bryson – Board of Directors – john.bryson@edisonintl.com
Monica Lozano – Board of Directors – monica.lozano@laopinion.com
John Chen – Board of Directors – john.chen@sybase.com
Gary Wilson – Board of Directors – gary.wilson@nwa.com
Leo Odonova – Board of Directors – leo.odonovan@mbna.com
Thomas Staggs – CFO/Senior V.P. – tom.staggs@disney.com
David K. Thompson – Senior Vice President
*xyz @ 13
WOOHOO! Dang, such a big news week, I’m hoping that’s the only reason we haven’t yet seen “Valerie Plame Was Director of Operations on Iraq’s WMDs” as a headline on all the news sites. This is ridiculous. Let alone the other revelations in that book yet to be covered.
I believe David Corn is going to be on Hardball tonight so maybe THAT will get the ball rolling.
Awww, Mark!
Go ahead, let it go to your head. Once your head is nicely swelled, use it to head-butt the bastards.
When life gives you
lemonsa swelled head, makelemonadea new weapon in the war against evil propagandists!Remaining footnotes to previous comment:
I also tried to e-mail this to Robert Iger at the address someone listed two or three threads ago, but it was bounced as “addressee unknown”.
Mrs. K8 @ 32 – Everyone has time constraints, so I totally understand. Thanks for taking the time to reach out. It means a lot to me.
Mrs. K8 @ 42
{chuckle} :-)
Rayne @ 36
I’m not prone to prayin’, but AMEN!
Very nice, Taylor. And your piece, “Choose One: Raytheon or Our Troops” from yesterday? Time to show you some love!
Really disappointed –
Thanks VERY much for those addresses!
And let me just tell you that the LAST voice I want to hear on 9/11 is George Freakin’ Bush. Boycott that nonsense too, networks. Refuse to carry his lies and distortions. Just say no. We are sick to death of his inarticulate, blood-soaked, self-serving jingoism. Stop propping up this Atrocity. He has no clothes.
David Pearls Brooks is on TV saying that Bush’s talks on terrorism now gives the WH the moral highground. Are you kidding me????? Give me a freakin’ break! Our torture policies are so heinous that we have to practice them offshore. This is madness.
I don’t think this important letter by prominent historians has been posted here yet:
Dear Robert Iger:
We write as professional historians, who are deeply concerned by the continuing reports about ABC’s scheduled broadcast of “The Path to 9/11.” These reports document that this drama contains numerous flagrant falsehoods about critical events in recent American history. The key participants and eyewitnesses to these events state that the script distorts and even fabricates evidence into order to mislead viewers about the responsibility of numerous American officials for allegedly ignoring the terrorist threat before 2000.
The claim by the show’s producers, broadcaster, and defenders, that these falsehoods are permissible because the show is merely a dramatization, is disingenuous and dangerous given their assertions that the show is also based on authoritative historical evidence. Whatever ABC’s motivations might be, broadcasting these falsehoods, connected to the most traumatic historical event of our times, would be a gross disservice to the public. A responsible broadcast network should have nothing to do with the falsification of history, except to expose it. We strongly urge you to halt the show’s broadcast and prevent misinforming Americans about their history.
Sincerely,
Arthur Schlesinger
Sean Wilentz, Princeton University
Michael Kazin, Georgetown University
Lizbeth Cohen, Harvard University,
Nicholas Salvatore, Cornell University;
Ted Widmer, Washington College;
Rick Perlstein, Independent Scholar;
David Blight, Yale University;
Eric Alterman, City University of New York
http://openlettertoabc.blogspo…..l-for.html
YAY Taylor! Thank you so much!
You know, the political landscape is littered with the bodies of people who thought they had a solid case against Bill Clinton. ABC/Disney is going up against him with pure, defamatory fiction, and they’re doing it after receiving a clear warning from his lawyer. At this point, I kind of want to see them air the show. The aftermath will be like watching the courtroom equivalent of George W Bush in the ring with Mike Tyson. It won’t be pretty, but it’ll sure as hell be compelling television.
meta –
I always assume that anything David Pearls (really? Pearls?) Brooks considers “moral high ground” is really just a swampy cesspool of corruption.
Thanks for the love, newtonusr. Appreciate it. Back at you marily.
Love it, Frank Probst.
That’s for sure.
TeddySanFran @
37
Teddy:
Some of us L.A. based bloggers met with Kerry a few months back, and while I understand what you’re saying, and somewhat agree, I came away from it really wanting to have a beer with the guy, and play some guitar. And he promised to call me the next time he had some free time out here.
He looks you in the eye, talks without using talking points, in intelligent english, and truly was a pleasure to talk with.
OK, I’ll shut up now.
Frank Probst @ 52
Can we say CBC Clinton Broadcasting Corporation. *g*
Really good post by Max Blumenthal.
“Discover the Secret Right-Wing Network Behind ABC’s 9/11 Deception”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..29015.html
Now that’s a fight I’d pay money to see hehe.
SteveAudio @ 54
I’d believe it, lots of pols are perfectly capable of having a normal, intelligent, clear-spoken conversation in person in a private setting, but go gushy with the vocab and mushy with the meaning in public.
Did that stop the link madness?
Kurt @ 57
‘ere !
Sorry about that, I just edited the post to repair it… preview should be my friend.
Rayne @
29
Gotcha covered, hoss.
long exhale
Oh yeah. Good medicine.
WOW… I go on vacation and you guys are having so much fun…. Hi Ed*ard Teller, back in the lower 48…. after they cleared the bear off the tarmac in Cordova so the plane could land.
My kids own Disney stock in their Divident Reinvestment program, that will be gone ASAP. Email Apple to let them know that I will never buy iTunes from Apple if they have PT911 as a free download, AND thank you Taylor about the Choose One: Raytheon or Our Troops, since Raytheon is an Arizona company, stinking rotten war profiteers…
Mrs. K8 @ 53
I think the allusion is to “clutching at pearls”. But you knew that. Whatever, Brooks is a slimy varmint. Driftglass sure cuts him up at his place. Its funny (albeit true) when he gets on David Brooks.
OT but it makes me happy, so I’ll share:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200….._brad_pitt
now if only our government would listen and let these folks get on with it!
Mark, please know that we’re not just blowing sunshine through your ears. Spotlight is a sweet, sophisticated tool that saves us billions of minutes of research, which makes it snap to articulate and broadcast our responses to daily events that mean so much in our daily lives. It collects our voices in ways we didn’t have before, ways we can act upon in moments. It puts gas in our tank. So we just want to say most sincereley, thank you for working on this and thank you for giving us the owner’s manual. You have been a great catalyst for us.
Awesome post Taylor!
Awesome comments ya’ll!
tommy yum @ 63
Tommy
You guys a re fuckin’ killing me! Got 16.5 weeks off the heaters, and you give me Good Medicine? Oh, well – time for another Liquorice Altoid!
TeddySanFran @ 37
Teddy – am with you as far as Kerry’s proclivity for speaking in paragraphs – he may well be unelectable for this reason alone. But I live near Boston, at one time did work that brought me into contact with him, and know folk who have had the occasion to tip a pint or two with our man John – he is in fact a GREAT guy to have a beer with! Open, fun and a genuine raconteur – apparently just can’t be that way in front of a microphone. This has always puzzled me ….
Kurt @ 57
Yeah. Especially the ear-biting part.
Great post Taylor.
Lou Dobbs just said “Tom Keane consulting on a fiction movie…”
Ruffian at 32:
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/mh?s=DIS
Thanks so much, Millineryman.
“Fiction” movie is right, ET.
Mrs. K8 – hellllloooooooo! Sending you good wishes for all those other good wishes you got going.
Millineryman @
72
Ditto
newtonusr – licorice Altoids????? Curiously strong? I want one.
Damn you, Kerry, where was that fire in 2004?
At least you’re roaring now…
You, too, Taylor. Fine post.
good for senator kerry!
hope he will be so forthright in a public forum soon. hmmm…. he’s giving a “major” speech tomorrow… i’ll be there with fingers crossed!
one bothersome point though, was this:
what terrorists is he refering to? from the context, it seems like he’s refering to hezbollah – but we’re not fighting them. and why should we be pissed that prime minister maliki isn’t acting sufficiently puppet-like? it doesn’t matter what maliki said about the israeli/lebanon war… he was in no position to influence outcomes.
kerry needs to read kinzer’s book “overthow“
Once upon a time — I actually remember this — Americans loved to hear politicians and other public figures speak using elegantly-worded English.
Just think of JFK’s and Bobby’s speeches. MLK, too. And not just intellectually incisive, but frequently poetic, too.
I remember when Buckley’s Firing Line was watched by millions (many of whom disagreed furiously with his politics) who admired his use of the English language.
Heck — remember the week-long debates between Buckley and Gore Vidal, every night on prime time during the Democratic convention??
I remember when people who lacked education wished they had it. I remember when people who spoke poorly wished they could speak well. I remember when being smart was seen almost universally as a huge ASSET (attacks on “egghead” Adlai notwithstanding — there have always been contingents of “Know-Nothings” — but parents wanted their children to be SMART.)
Now? It is to weep.
meta @ 67
Thank you, truly, for your kind words. Its means a lot. I am very pissed and disappointed at what has happened to our country. The media has enabled the entire mess.
I truly believe that until we can get some real semblance of balance in the press, we have an such an uphill battle that all our efforts may be for naught.
My personal inclination and approach is to look at things from a systems perspective. Thus building Spotlight, which is a distributed tool, for hopefully, improving the traditional news media.
There’s more coming to the main Spotlight site. If you haven’t checked out the following page and followed the links, please do so. It lays out the overarching story fairly well.
http://www.thespotlightproject.org/media.php
mark
Great post. Thanks for the juxtoposition of the ABC fabricated Sandy Berger/WH scene vs the Berntsen fully documented real deal at Tora Bora. The starkness of the two says it all. Thanks.
hackworth, someone here once said the driftglass is a she!
Kurt @ 58
Haven’t we paid enough?
I guess we can safely say that campaigning Republicans accept Disney Dollars.
Why not bombard Steve Jobs of Apple Computer who is a major
stockholder of Disney? Didn’t Disney make him even richer by the
buyout of PIxar? Let him know that we all are watching him as well.
When is he going to step up and denounce this Disney crap!
meta –
Hugs to you, love! Did you hear the good news? Tandy the beloved pupster’s latest ultrasound this week shows NO METASTASIS so far.
Thanks to you and all others who supported us emotionally and offered prayers and good thoughts. It really helped.
Now I gotta go do the swimming pool workout, followed by the official physical therapy session. Be back a.s.a.p.
Keep it up, Firepups! Never give up, never give in. Our Constitution is a most noble cause.
Mrs. K8 @ 82
Mrs. K8 — your fingers to the Great Programmer’s data base.
Mark Steckel,
meta speaks for me.
Sam @ 87
I don’t know for sure but it’s likely Steve Jobs has already heard about this kerfuffle…
or brouhaha, if you prefer …
meta @ 78
There you go. Gotta really love licorice (liquorice if your a Limey) to go for these!
AmericaBlog has the Apple info at this link:
http://americablog.blogspot.co…..apple.html
Mrs K8, yes I know of your good and well-deserved good news. Keep up your exercise. It will keep your head clear!
And I agree wholeheartedly with your great post on the English language. Thank you for stating it so.
percy @ 79
The same with Al Gore in 2000. Gore has been unshackled by not having to serve in elected office. Gore at Cooper Union – best speech on American politics in ten years. Gore giving his slideshow – the most impressive public service by a former presidential candidate in decades.
Kerry’s press release is important for its demand for facts and truth, but it is a pale cataloging of Bush’s failures, carefully crafted to keep from alienating any potential Kerry ?2008 campaign contributors.
I just wanted to repeat again that what the Senate Intelligence Committee said today that there was no connection between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda was known to about 100 million Arabs before the Iraq invasion. They knew that while Saddam was a very bad man the idea that he and Osama were working together was ludicrous. It just floors me that years later this comes as news to anyone and it tells you a lot about why we are in the mess we are in that more than 40% of Americans still believe it.
*ilson46201 @ 93
I love reading kerfuffle. It’s like a dignified ruckas. *g*
katymine @ 94
katymine’s back!
If I remember correctly, didn’t Osama destroy the poppy fields early in 2001?
Mark, thanks for pointing me to the other sections of Spotlight. I hadn’t read them. Excellent points.
ccmask @ 101
They haven’t released that video yet. Picnic with Osama.
if you can’t get enough Jerry Springer — check out the pitiful official blog at http://www.Joe2006.com — it’s a total wreck — loads of fun — right now we are arguing whether Joe has had carnal relations with goats or sheep… I’m on the LBJ goats team
***** MEDIA ALERT *****
Sandy Berger coming up on CNN after the commercial. He says it’s the only TV interview he’s doing.
*ilson – How do I view comments in Joe’s blog?
Mrs. K8 @ 82
Mrs K8, I weep with you. I remember those times and I think the reduction of the language to sound bites is appalling.
Looking forward to Kerry’s speech tomorrow. Eight of us MA FDL folk will be there taking notes. We’ve been told that he’s not the guy that his handlers made him into for the 2004 campaign. Time will tell.
We’ll let you know what we hear tomorrow.
Taylor,
Really glad he had the sense to get hold of you and open up. I think he and his staff are getting it re the blogs, who we are and what we are about. Works for me.
Mrs. K8 @ 81
As a member of a younger generation, I admit to being fond of more eleoquent phraseology and measured speech that communicates rather than insinuates.
However, Kerry’s problem wasn’t so much that he pulls out the big vocabulary guns (though it’s debatable whether that’s a wise tactic in our current climate), it’s that even when he was speaking in that higher locution, he was still not communicating his ideas efficiently or effectively.
For all his vocabulary, the ideas were lost in the muddle.
Taylor- thanks for this great info. It has been quite a news week. I may have missed this, but has Gore made any statement about this? I seem to remember he did *something* in the Clinton administration. ;) (p.s. Huge Gore fan here.)
They got the bear off the tarmac in Cordova so the plane could land. Then we almost got stuck in Juneau with a broken plane after flying from Cordova with that same plane. Did not get home until 1 am today with delays and storms…. Oh the joy of flying!
Thanks for all your help ET, had a great time! Will always remember the ticket counter lady yelling out the door asking if they cleared the bear yet!
Ed*ard Teller @ 96
Yes, when they try to play it safe, Democratic candidates lose their mojo. Why can’t our politicians learn from incessant Republican wins? Voters love anything that comes from the gut – be it fire or bile. They want to feel something behind the words.
And re: Gore & Kerry – the sad truth is that if a candidate today cannot commune with the camera, he or she is lost, or at least shackled.
OT and runnin’ in&out at that —
You’ll want to catch Ray Suarez’ interview with Sarah Chayes when pbs.org gets up online if you missed it live tonight: the crisp, uninterrupted skinny on Afghanistan (where SC now lives).
go to a post in the JoeBlog and then click on comments — an unhealthy cornucopia will unfold for you …
yes, I own http://www.BlogJoe2006.com and http://www.LieberBlog.com and http://www.Joe2006Blog.com
but somehow Joe managed to snag http://www.Joe2006.com — his really weak blog is there … http://www.2006Joe.com aint Joe’s either
the official Blog is called ‘Blog of Joe’ but I own http://www.BlogofJoe.com
dont be confused !
Wow. What a post Taylor. I think I might have to rent Network tonight.
newtonusr 3:50 pm — very sorry about that, did not mean to be a bad influence.
Especially since I don’t and haven’t smoked.
Have a shot of anisette instead. All the liquorice, twice the kick.
Make mine a shot of Tres Genaraciones.
Now that kind of bad influence I will gladly be.
RevDeb – I think you’re right. Kerry was completely on fire in our conversation. There wasn’t a moment of hesitation or placement of words. He just let it rip, very frank and open. It was terrific.
YOU GOT IT, grs. That’s the feeling in the air.
Rayne @ 114
Hey, that’s my apology to make!
And I’m sorry, newtonusr. I mean for enjoying it so much.
percy — both Gore and Kerry were saddled with those deplorable old school Dem consultants, the kind that Kos and Armstrong pick apart in Crashing the Gates.
Gore was probably told to act more presidential — stuffed shirt, autocratic, know-it-all. Go see him in An Inconvenient Truth if you want to see the guy that wasn’t restrained by the gawddamned consultants.
Ditto Kerry. Like that goosehunt. Jebus, what moron encouraged that???
We lost so much when Kerry didn’t become our president. He is so decent and sincere, and has so much integrity but the voters prefer form over substance. They got neither with Babs’ wee boy.
Hey Taylor,
Great post. I envy your experience hearing Kerry rip it up. And then the follow-up email. You must have some stuff!
Boy, are we gonna hear about the fever swamp breedin’, shrill, venomous rabid lambs now!
tommy yum- hiya! Great post here, no? And, what’s the latest on the musical offerings?
I’ve been reading blogs, links to blogs, links to news, links to now deleted pages, all day. There’s been several iterations that the news media is owned by right-wing conservative businessmen pushing the right-wing agenda, as in “don’t mention anything that will cause the Republicans to be viewed as even remotely wrong.”
The following are actual questions, not snide “do you know where your children are” sort of questions. I would like to know if anybody knows where I can get the information on what company or companies advertise the most on ABC/Disney?
And, btw, who owns/runs/makes critical decisions at the tv viewership polling companies? Maybe they’re ok, but has anybody looked recently? Shows have been shut down because advertising has been pulled. Shows continue because advertisers spend their dollars on it (driven by polls of viewers).
A lot of people are looking at direct linkages. What about those sneaky, around the corner linkages? How much influence do these companies have, merely by where they place their advertising? Or threats of advertising removal?
Maybe nothing, but have we looked?
TeddySanFran @ 37
Hey, VG.
Well, we got a song in an upcoming doc called “Deliver Us From Evil.” It’s a fantastic, emotionally wrenching film.
Probably won’t come out for a few more months, but it took the prize at the LA film festival.
Thus endeth the blogwhoring.
And oh yeah: it’s always great to read Taylor’s posts.
Confused, who me? Just noticed my java was disabled and that is why comments didn’t show up. thanks *ilson.
Lin- I seem to remember that someone here posted a link to ABC advertisers a few days ago. but..? anyone? Maybe it was Rayne?
tommy yum @ 116
No worries! Funny how that urge just pops up! They’re fleeting, though.
It feels good to go balistic… and i’m just fuckin’ thrilled you’re enjoying it soooo much!
Oooops – there I go again!
Lin @ 121
This is a good resource: http://birdoblog.birdobot.com/disney_propaganda
Eureka Springs, AR @ 124
*my java was disabled*- metaphorically, I know what you mean. And the morning crew would appreciate this one.
I agree with you, Sally. It was a good one, tommy yum. Kerry knows what’s going on and sees the election coming and is fighting mad to stop this crap. Push back has a new papa.
The questions I sent Pumpkinhead…
For Dick Cheney:
1. Why did you lie about your “very very tough decision” about shooting down Flight 93 when in fact you only had 1 minute in the bunker before the plane hit the ground?
2. Why, if your administration is as tough on national security as it claims, are terrorist attacks at an all-time high, tripling since 2004?
3. Are we still, 1 years later, in the “last throes” of the insurgency or are you ready to admit you were dead wrong?
4. When will you mature into a man and admit that people who disagree with you are not terrorist-lovers or traitors and are in fact correct more often than you are?
5. How does it feel that you have, through your Halliburton stock, made almost $100,000 per dead American soldier?
Watching Blitzer brings me back to my long comment in an earlier thread today. We can’t assume he knows ANYTHING about what we’ve been investigating about the funding and ideology of the producer/director crew. He probably doesn’t. Even with good intentions, people like Blitzer and the personality modality he represents are probably afraid to look at fact-filled blogs like Taylor’s home page or TPM Muck, etc. – for fear the premise of the story they’re deadlined on will be totally obsolete or inaccurate.
Maybe I’m being too charitable.
Kean is such a whore.
ET- Kean is worse than a whore.
And re: Blitzer- you are being too charitable.
Valley Girl @ 132
A pimp?
From the Cherrypicking thread at Joe’s new blog, from a commenter:
http://www.joe2006.com/blog.asp
“Ms. Susan Bysiewicz
Secretary of the State
State of Connecticut
30 Trinity Street
Hartford, CT 06106
Dear Ms. Bysiewicz,
I am writing in my capacity as Political Director of the Committee for a Unified Independent Party, Inc. We are a national organization which advocates for and represents the interests of independent voters, including many in Connecticut who are concerned about the independent candidate status your office is about to confer on Senator Joseph Lieberman.
I want to bring to your immediate attention a significant omission in the submission of Senator Joseph Lieberman to legally qualify himself for the ballot as the U.S. Senate candidate of the Connecticut for Lieberman Party. I believe this constitutes a fatal flaw in Mr. Lieberman’s petition and necessitates the removal of his name from the November, 2006 ballot.
The failure occurred in his submission of the “Application for Nominating Petition” filed by the Connecticut for Lieberman Party with your office on July 10, 2006. Specifically, no identity was provided of the Applicant as required; i.e. the space where the name and address of the Applicant should appear was left vacant. Consequently, Mr. Lieberman’s disembodied submission does not meet the requirements of Sec. 9-453b of Connecticut Election Law which specifies that “the person requesting” nominating petition forms must supply a range of information. As the “Application for Nominating Petition” form makes plain, disclosure of the identity of the applicant is required information. Mr. Lieberman’s submission failed to provide it.
Given the amount of media and political controversy that surrounded Mr. Lieberman’s decision to continue his candidacy in the event of losing the Democratic primary, it is plausible that the applicant preferred that his or her identity not be revealed at the time of the submission. However, it is ultimately the responsibility of the Secretary of the State to ensure compliance with the law, even if the candidate is a United States Senator who is embattled in his own party’s primary.
It has come to my attention that the Secretary of the State did apply a strict standard on this very issue of the identity of the “Applicant” in the submission of another “Application for Nominating Petition.” In that instance, the Independent Party sought your office’s approval for a party name and the issuance of petitions to field a statewide slate. Mr. Michael Telesca, on behalf of the Independent Party, was given specific instructions by your office about the need to identify an appropriate “Applicant.”
While the Secretary of the State has demonstrated in its dealings with the Independent Party that it attaches great importance to the identity of the “Applicant,” in the case of Mr. Lieberman’s submission, the same standard was not applied.
There is mounting concern among independent voters in Connecticut that Mr. Lieberman’s so-called “independent candidacy” is a fraud on the voting public. He is not an independent, but is rather a Democrat who availed himself of an escape hatch in state Election Law allowing him to reinvent himself as an “independent-in-name-only” candidate after he lost his own party’s primary.
In light of the political sensitivities surrounding this situation, I believe the Secretary of the State has a heightened obligation to apply the strictures of Election Law consistently for all applicants.
I understand that your office will receive a final submission from “Connecticut for Lieberman” on September 13th. I strongly recommend that you withhold certification of Mr. Lieberman’s candidacy in light of the failure in his submission
Sincerely,
Jacqueline Salit
cc: Lesley Mara, Deputy Secretary of the State
John | 09.08.06 – 4:22 pm | #
Valley Girl @ 133
Yeah, he’s a Cheney.
5. How does it feel that you have, through your Halliburton stock, made almost $100,000 per dead American soldier?
you got it, rat bastahd!
LindyH @ 127
This diary on kos has good information on the inside workings of TV.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/9/8/12711/37922
I’ve been trying to ward this off in NZ, but getting nothing done. Those experts in the States know all about this (though I’ve often found ordinary Kiwis much more savy about the US than my family back in Kansas).
I finally reached TV NZ news….They have a “man” in NY who knows all about it. He’ll handle it for them. Nothing to talk about here. No reason to ask any questions. The “man” in NY will handle it for them. Gagghhhhh.
If I read rightly, this has already shown (at least part of it has) in the UK. Now we know the target audience. People who would never think that one part of the world communicates with another, so we get the assertion that “no one has seen it yet.”
David Horowitz is involved with the ABC brouhaha ! ! !
Here’s a question, pups:
Would CNN be doing what they’re doing right now if we hadn’t been doing what we’ve been doing since last Friday?
when did this country decide to change? Was it 9/11? Was it earlier? Was it the just a steady drip drip drip of efforts and people and methods that mistook the effort for the effect?
Torture. Aggressive war. Internal eavsdropping. Paid propagandists. Ineffectual “democratic” representation. Law of the leader rather than the people. Secret trial with secret evidence. Supression of dissent.
When did we become the Soviet States of America.
I guess it can be reported that the USSR fell, but we lost the war against State one-party totalitarianism.
Valley Girl @ 134
Thank you. I’ve suffered the delusion that Kean was one of the “good” Republicans, but he was a real weenie in this interview on CNN.
I read somewhere that Menendez is having trouble in his race against Kean Jr. with name recognition — the fact that NJ voters think Senior Kean is running and have positive associations with the name.
Why not use the “Jr.” against him? Say something like “Tom Kean Jr. wants to be the Senator from NJ.” [Picture Kean Jr., morph to George W. Bush.] “The last time a Jr. wanted a high office, things didn’t work out so great for the rest of us.”
Steve Jobs should be held to account, he’s on their board. Apple Customer Relations ,800-767-2775
Is that a trick question, Professor?
Isikoff and Corn on Hardball now.
imm.,
Can you join us tomorrow at Kerry’s speech?
Good example of Blitzer being WAY underinformed – Mitchell’s halfway out the door at Disney.
Great post, Taylor! I can just imagine the earful you got. LOL!
And I love the statement by Senator Kerry. He nails it on our having enough of fiction to last a lifetime.
I’m going to be there in Boston and I can’t wait.
OT with apologies.
All 3 networks and the BBC had stories about patients with “massive brain injuries” in a persistent vegetative state and how new MRI studies can show that some of these are responsive as evidenced by increased brain activity. For me, this is another example of sloppy medical reporting that plagues the media. One report did mention belatedly at the end that this would not have changed anything in the Terri Schiavo case but didn’t say why.
The reason that it was a moot point with Terri Schiavo was that most of her cerebral cortex was gone. She had suffered what is known as anoxic encephalopathy, which is to say that her brain, especially those areas which govern higher brain function, received no oxygen for a sufficiently long time that they died. This dead tissue is gradually removed. It’s called encephalomalacia and the end result is an empty space filled with cerebrospinal fluid. Despite this higher brain damage, Schiavo had an intact brain stem so she could do some things like breath and engage in purposeless movement. To cut to the chase, in her case there was no brain tissue for the MRI to pick up on.
Other people with other kinds of brain injury and who are comatose may be misdiagnosed as persistive vegetative but we’re talking about an extremely small minority and very special circumstances, and perhaps a misunderstanding of the distinction between persistently comatose and persistently vegetative.
DynamicDems @ 148
DD,
The FDL group is meeting near Fanuil Hall at 9:45 or so. Doors open at 10:30. Look for folks with the Loserman Kiss button on if you want to join us. If you want more info e-mail me at my name at mac dot com.
immanentize @ 141
immanetize, I’ve been saying for years that when the Berlin Wall came down, they started importing it to the United States, block by block.
Totally inappropriate and politically incorrect. Just my style.
Timmeh and Cheney;
Timmeh: Thank you for coming today Mr. Vice President.
Cheney:Of course, Tim. You know I love to come on your show to help out the Republican cause.
Timmeh: About this ABC docudrama coming out, What are your thoughts?
Cheney: Well, as you know, The Democrats are at fault here.
Timmeh: I agree , of course,but what makes you say that now?
Cheney: Could you pass me the Tabasco? My fresh kitten blood is kind of bland today.
As for this nonsense about the Democrats saying that it is inaccurate and falsely portrays things that happened, We all know that ABC has the highest standards. After I personally proof read the script, the only correction that I could see was that my cameo appearance needed to be fleshed out more.
Timmeh: So there is no basis for the outrage being shown?
Cheney: Of course not my dear boy. Try some?
Timmeh: Oh, no thank you sir.
Cheney: This country deserves to know the truth about what happened leading up to the despicable day of September eleventh.Not what they saw with their own eyes.
We will be rounding them up and filling the new re-training centers that my company, Halliburton has recently completed.
Timmeh:Excellent. May I say I’ve had my eye on that little minx in advertising? Maybe I could keep that one?
Cheney: It’ll cost ya.
Timmeh: OOOOOH, another trip around the world?
Cheney: Exactly.
Timmeh: OK, that wraps it up for tonights show. And thank you again sir.
Hugh- interesting point. Some of this “oh” stuff might be the result of the case where a man in a persistent “vegetative” ? state came to consciousness, with MRI studies showing that parts of his brain had been rewired in a completely odd and unexpected fashion. Did you read about that? I found it fascinating. And, I don’t think it’s sloppy reporting, it’s a lack of fundamental scientific knowledge, which is part and parcel of the Bushco generation.
Keith O. ranting all over this story with righteousness and truth!
angie @ 154
Amen.
Keith has the FBI man on that quit the mockumentary.
RevDeb @ 156
I am honored, RevDeb!
TeddySanFran #15
rat bastahd #131
I just hope (in vain, I know!) that Wussert gives Cheney as difficult a time as he gave Nancy Pelosi.
lotus @ 112
Lotus, thank you for mentioning the interview. I sat there entralled and thinking only if Bush could have finished what he started. I guess it will become just another country to harbor terrorists.
Read this—-
feebees blast the documentary after turning down consulting job:
Two retired F.B.I. agents said today that they had rejected advisory roles on the disputed ABC mini-series, “The Path to 9/11,” because of concerns about the program’s accuracy.
One of the agents, Thomas E. Nicoletti, was hired by the producers of the mini-series in July 2005 to oversee its technical accuracy, but left after less than a month because of scenes he believed were misleading or just false.
“There were some of the scenes that were total fiction,” said Mr. Nicoletti, who served as a supervisory special agent and a member of the joint terrorism task force before retiring in 2003. “I told them unless they were changing this, I could not have my name associated with it.” …
Dan Coleman, who retired from the F.B.I. in 2004, said he also was concerned when he read the script last summer after being approached by producers about being a technical advisor.
“They sent me the script, and I read it and told them they had to be kidding,” Mr. Coleman said. “I wanted my friends at the F.B.I. to still speak to me.”
Mr. Coleman said his concerns mainly dealt with the depiction of law enforcement officers, particularly John O’Neill, an F.B.I. counterterrorism expert who died in the attacks. “I’m Irish and I believe in ghosts,” he said. “I don’t want to be haunted.” He said he passed on the job.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09…..r=homepage
Then ask yourself: what is going on at Disney? They have lost their minds.
LindyH @ 106
I could not agree more.
Hugh #150
Agre with you very much as far as the Schiavo case is concerned. However, as someone who spent 6 months in hospital – four of them in ICU and two of those unconscious, I can assure you that onehears what’s happening around you. I can still, to this day, remember what different individuals said to me.
Mack McClarty (former CoS for Clinton) on KO. Haven’t seen or heard from him in YEARS.
hackworth #65
Thought you’re not supposed to “throw pearls before swine”!
KO exposing the YWAM wingnuts behind the crock-u-drama. Anyone else on teevee news even gotten close to this angle?
“Docudramatists” up next on KO– profiling those behind the scenes.
I love him.
jinny- I left a comment for Hugh also. I am a neuroscientist, and find your comments fascinating, from a number of different perspectives. Have you written more about this? would love to read that.
Valley Girl,
Anoxic encephalopathy results in diffuse death of neurons. Those people are gone. Patients who have suffered stroke, bleeds, or trauma may have large or localized lesions but they may have a lot of neurons left and damage may have been more to one side than the other. So the rewiring could come about through axonal growth reworking connections between the remaining neurons. Actual regrowth of neurons is a lot iffier. While no longer an absolute impossibility, it still seems very limited and something for the future.
Oh please someone remind me of the great Olberman homerun call, quoted by John Casper? was it “its high… I don’t think it’s playable..”?
http://www.democrats.org/a/200…..an_t_1.php
The link, hopefully, is to Howard Dean’s letter to ABC asking for details on who funded the Path to 9/11. More legal issues for Disney and friends I guess.
drive-by post: theory- chimpy wants to have his speech prime-time monday to give ABC a convenient excuse not to air 9/11–would hate to give victory to the evil liberal commie bloggers.
-can’t believe KO is all over today’s revelations in the ABC story
Judd Legum from ThinkProgess was just on KO talking about the organization that backed the craptacular piece o’ fiction…
Hugh @ 169
IIRC, I recently saw an article about a patient with brain damage that they documented the brain slowly re-wiring itself wrt synapses .
Is it me, or is Ledeen truly insane?
twolf
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Why not? He tends to be on top of what we are on top of. At least someone on teevee news isn’t drinking kool aid.
Go Keith!
Hugh- BTW, I wasn’t doubting your conclusion re: the Schiavo case. And, yep, there’s a lot of research that’s still in the future. Wouldn’t be quite so much in the future, if Bushco. wasn’t so anti-science and anti-research funding.
tryggth @ 174
Is water wet?
marily @ 161
April 4th. 1968, Indianapolis-
Bobby steps up to a mic, having just heard the tragic news, and just goes off-the-cuff:
What has happened to our language?
KO’s ratings are up significantly this week from what they have been ; )
http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/ratings/
Busted- yes, I think we are remembering the same report. Quite amazing.
Odd things happening in and around Pakistan in recent weeks.
Bombings in India, Taliban engaging in sustain fights, the withdraw from the border.
Yay Keith: I (along with thousands of other people I’m sure) e-mailed KO and Countdown today with all kinds of info about the YWAM connection. And, voila!
You gotta give it to them – KO and Countdown take us seriously! They researched it, went out and interviewed people involved, got a guy from ThinkProgress to confirm, la di da! Prime Time exposure!
Hugh @ 169
Hugh– Do you believe that embryonic stem cell research might be that future?
and jinny– thanks for sharing that and I am so glad you are ok. When I worked at the bedside, I always kept in mind that my patients could probably hear me and could feel my touch. It served me well always, but was confirmed when miracles like yours happened to patients and their welcoming and knowing look, voice, and/or touch met mine. ;)
I wish Kerry, or any other democrat, could really sound as angry and fed up as your characterization of him.
We need a democratic candidate who sounds like Martin Luther King, or at least like Jane Hamsher. Somebody who can take off the gloves and convey some emotion. That’s what it’s gonna take to get through to middle America.
Paul Hackett is a bit rough, but that’s the idea. And of course, the spineless democrats got rid of him as quickly as they could.
Yes, Busted, I misspoke and you are right it was synaptic.
Valley Girl, I have never understood how Bush thinks that we can stay ahead of the curve and retain our place in the world while cutting funding to science and ridiculing its findings.
Valley Girl @ 170
“It’s deep and I don’t think it’s playable!” Keith Olbermann
*ilson46201 @ 140
“The attacks by former president Bill Clinton, former Clinton Administration officials and Democratic US senators on Cyrus Nowrasteh’s ABC
mini-series “The Path to 9/11″ are easily the gravest and most brazen and damaging governmental attacks on the civil liberties of ordinary Americans since 9/11,” Horowitz declared.
The words “no shame” aren’t enough.
obsessed @ 184
Howard Dean, anyone?
Time to take the gloves off against another of the Republican media? On Monday, instead of Limbaugh talking about “censorship” and Dem stifling free speech, let’s talk about Rush Limbaugh…con man and war profiteer. The big issue may be how many millions of dollars Limbaugh and ABC Radio are paid by the US Government to broadcast to the troops.
The personal issue is listening to Limbaugh on the radio scamming his audience into buying subscriptions for soldiers to Limbaugh’s website/newsletter. Shamelessly lining his own pockets with the $$$ of caring patriotic Americans when he could easily give access to his newsletter to any military person at all.
Rush Limbaugh, oxyjunkie, con man, mediocre comedian and war profiteer.
Frame the discussion, take it to them, keep moving the small stones.
[sidebar–just how in the tank is ABC News on all this? Promo on tonight’s Nightly of Gibson’s interview with Bush coming up on Monday’s Nightly. Talk about a fully-constructed tick-tock of “news” zippering back and forth with crockumentary.]
For some pithy and well crafted prose, Wolcott is now on the story. As always, Excellent.
twolf1 @ 172
Or even more weird: They air the segment that defames the Clinton Admin.the first night all in prime time.
Air only a prtion of the Bush part (which the writer claims also has unflatering things to say about Bush) but have to cut in for the speech (which will cause a lot of veiwer drop off) and finish it after prime time.
So, afterwards Tom Kean will be able to point to whatever critisms of Bush that appear (and I will bet you those unflattering scenes will also specifically be supported by the 9-11 report—because they are real) and call the movie “fair” and “balanced”, but most fols won’t wee all of the Bush night of the movie and will be distracted in their memory because of the interuption by Bush’s speech
“What has happened to our language?”
We have.
Is this cool or what?
Bustednuckles actually talking to neuroscientists? whodathunkit? *g*
My dad died from Alzheimer’s disease. Even though it objectively it seemed that he was not registering anything I was saying or doing, I always had a deep feeling that he was taking this all in, and that kept my spirits up, insofar as possible. And lo, one day near the end, after one trying afternoon where he had been commanding me to stack the furniture in one corner of the room, I took him out in his wheelchair for a spin around the rest home grounds. We were going a long the part of the path near the fencing, where cars were parked outside along the curb. He pointed to one and said “Is that your rental car?” Yep. It was.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 192
Say what?
I just learned what Cyrus Nowrasteh’s name translates to in Farsi…
Now Rast eh
The New Right …or….The New Truth
Rast means right (both correct and the opposite of left) and rasti means truth
The eh at the end means “the”
No, I’m not making it up!
Does anyone know if Nowrasteh was his birth name or did he choose it when he decided to overthrow “Liberal Hollywood”?
Hey angie, ask Valley Girl, stem cells are one avenue but we are really at the threshold of a golden age in the understanding of cellular machinery and how it is controlled. I am always amazed at how complex the pathways are. I am not a neuroscientist but I have always had an interest in neurology and to some extent in neuroscience.
newtonusr @ 179
Here’s another one: A Tiny Ripple of Hope
“Each time a man stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring, those ripples build a current that can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance.” Robert F. Kennedy
KO was on ESPN radio this afternoon explaining about the falsehoods with the ABC movie. He was great. It was a real treat because he in Roswell, GA $50.00 a month to comcast does not include KO. As a personal note I would like to thank twofl for teaching me how to link sites see #171 linking to Howard Dean’s letter to ABC.
Hugh @ 198
I have to admit, I am a hell of a lot smarter than I lead people to believe. I too have always had a natural curiousity for science. A very ecclectic mix. Physics, astronomy, paleontology, archaeology etc, etc. Fascinating stuff.
Busted- anyone who is in academic research in science is forced to focus on more and more detail in really arcane stuff, at the expense of continuing a broader education in science. I certainly have huge gaps in my knowledge as a result. I cringe when someone starts a question with… “you’re a scientist/ biologist so you can answer this for me…” I have a number of friends who are NOT scientists by training but gobble up scientific information better than I. I never discount their info. And, did you know that TRex is a science junkie? Well, for epidemiology and infections diseases, at least. !!
Dru @ 197
And remember “Cyrus” was the good non-Yahweh-loving king in the bible, the one who delivered the people from the Babylonian captivity. Maybe Mr. New Truth has delusions of delivering us from our secular humanist captivity?
*ilson46201 @ 196
Seriously?
BTW busted, we must have been typing our comments at the same time. I didn’t read yours before I posted mine.
peterboy@161 said:Mr. Coleman said his concerns mainly dealt with the depiction of law enforcement officers, particularly John O’Neill, an F.B.I. counterterrorism expert who died in the attacks.
snip
The story of John O’Neill is really a good one. I remember the story before 9/11. He had lost his briefcase in Florida which contained the complete evacuation routes of all emergency systems in New York. It was a big deal. But, it was solved since another man accidently switched briefcases with him and the briefcase was returned and sent to Washington for inspection. It had not been opened, the story said. But the briefcase had been in a room with other agents and that is why I spent so much time reading about this. A lot of stories have disappeared though. I remember reading about his hearing on the .gov website at the time. The story was clearly that the briefcase held evacuation routes of New York.
A lot of people went to his funeral. There were lound sounds of helicopters flying around the church. The whole story was really really wierd.
Peterboy- here’s a link:
The Mystery Surrounding The Death Of John O’Neill
http://www.attackonamerica.net…..oneill.htm
I don’t get dems like Sandy Berger. Here he is on cnn, nice long segment.So why could he not say that the mockudrama is a hit piece? Say that it is a political 2×4 to smack dems right before nov elections. They are reminding all republicans why they hate Clinton so much. Just tell people flatout, up front what ABC/Disney is trying to do politically. gah.
I had forgotten that one. Thanks so much for the link!
It’s almost hard to remember a culture that would prefer to be “spoken with” instead of “barked at”.
Valley Girl @ 202
VG, What I really appreciate about you is the fact that you are extrememly intelligent, yet, also very approachable. A truly nice lady.
BTW I had no idea the Theropod had such inclinations. Way cool!
LindaR
I’m thinking he has aspirations to regain his family’s lost status in Iran, a la Chalabi. Just rewards for his service and all that.
Valley Girl,
Sorry about your father. Alzheimer’s is still a diagnosis of exclusion and is often given for any dementia not otherwise specified. Almost any older person shows some Alzheimer like traits which makes the diagnosis even harder.
Dru @ 210
Oh, and Cyrus was Persian, if I’m not mistaken . . .
Hugh @ 198
Thanks Hugh and ok Valley Girl– can I ask you?
I am sorry about your father; I can just see that happening, though!
I think Nowrasteh’s first name might be Curveball, Dru.
Valley Girl, that’s true in every single discipline these days. Everyone is forced to narrow their research to such a degree of arcane specialization, by the time you finish your thesis, there are only about a couple of dozen people in the whole country you can really talk to. And then you’re also expected to teach lower division students.
Hey – try sunflower seeds! (It’s the Hand-to-mouth habit)
Worked for me. Good luck, and keep it up.
newtonusr @
69
BTW, VG, Did you ever get your plumbing problem fixed?
Busted- thank you for such a high compliment. I will treasure it.
cc, thanks for the link about John O’Neill. Did anybody see the Frontline show on him? Gripping!
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/…..knew/view/
Prairie Sunshine @ 191
Add to Rush’s list of accomplishments: yet another two-faced moralizing gooper hypocrite and sex tourist.
LindaR #212; Cyrus is a Persian name, means Sun
angie- re: your orignal question about stem cells. Yes, this is a major area of hope in treating all kinds of neurological problems, including traumatic brain damage. It won’t be magical solutions. It will take a lot of people slogging in labs, sometimes on research that seems “off the point”. But Bushco. has set back scientific research in the country to an extent that I can’t even quantify.
Jacqrat @ 214
Soy beans do it for me (trying to not OD on NACL); I buy them in bags, frozen… Great munchies, zero salt. And the patch, of course.
Thanks, and congrats back!
Yeah, I saw it Meta. I’m telling you, right after 9/11 I was mesmerized reading about him on the web. It was all so mysterious. That link I posted I just found after reading peterboy’s post. I had almost forgotten about (the ghost of) John O’neill.
Busted- the plumbing problem remains. But that is due to several things. I have determined, thanks to input from FDLers, that the blockage is likely down stream, and I need to open a trap ?. Turns out that this is in what might be laughingly called my “laundry room”- a small inconvenient space full of stuff, including a defunct washer. The trap is buried behind this, so it will take a major moving effort, plumber or no, to get to this.
thanks for that VG– I am still steaming over that veto and cry about it more than a little because all this time is being wasted while so many suffer. I know that others are doing research and I earnestly hope that things will proceed quickly, but it is just one more thing that I hate dubya and his followers for.
I am laying FIVE TO ONE cheney CANCELS this engagement
more pressing issues and all that
meta @ 218
I saw it. The Cell by John Miller goes into great detail about John O’Neill, Yemen and the USS Cole investigation. Highly recomend.
Just one more thing about Nowrasteh. When I read his bio and the fact that he was born in CO and his family had to flee Iran, it makes me as uncomfortable as reading that George Allen was born in CA and his mother’s family was imprisoned during WW2. Both of their histories are “important”, but it seems to me that they are using them for not so honest means.
Coz: I’m still reading the story at the link I posted–according to the article, IMO, the Path to 9/11 may be ABC’s Greatest Show yet!
newtonusr @ 208
Kinda serendipitous considering his Aeschylus quote that you gave above, because I’m trying to get a blog together about Prometheus Bound
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Hi LindaR,
Did you make to DL last night? I couldn’t :(
Angie- I have exchanged some emails with a Vet- paraplegic as a result of injury while serving in Iraq. And, just after he was married. He was and is active in criticism re: the stem cell funding debacle. Heartbreaking to see such hope destroyed at the whim of a really truly stupid man. And, god, I’ll have to make this brief- an encounter that Bush had with a vet in hospital who said that maggot therapy (way to remove gangrenous tissue) has saved his arm. Bush’s response? Oh yuk. I kid you not.
NYTimes
Two retired F.B.I. agents said today that they had rejected advisory roles on the disputed ABC mini-series, “The Path to 9/11,” because of concerns about the program’s accuracy.
One of the agents, Thomas E. Nicoletti, was hired by the producers of the mini-series in July 2005 to oversee its technical accuracy, but left after less than a month because of scenes he believed were misleading or just false.
“There were some of the scenes that were total fiction,” said Mr. Nicoletti, who served as a supervisory special agent and a member of the joint terrorism task force before retiring in 2003. “I told them unless they were changing this, I could not have my name associated with it.”
Chief among Mr. Nicoletti’s concerns were scenes that placed people at places they had not been present at and scenes that depicted events that were out of chronological order.
“There were so many inaccuracies,” he said.
Our supreme idiot shows his complete lack of knowledge and compassion yet again, VG.
ccmask @ 229
From what I understand, The Path to 9/11 blames Clinton for not launching an attack after the Cole was hit. That’s complete bull. We didn’t know it was al Qaeda until after Bush was sworn in. It’s well documented in The Cell
newtonusr
Amazing, isn’t it? My mother, who spoke French and Spanish, had been teaching in an all black high school the day MLK was assasinated. I had never seen my father, a United Methodist minister, ever that frantically upset over any anything, at all. He had marched and written and preached MLK message, and we as a family had stood for integration on all levels of religion and faith and race, always. As he had studied during the summers in Israel and Lebanon, I wonder what he would be saying today.
I just read all the way through Max Blumenthal’s piece at HuffPo on the right-wing network behind “The Path to 9/11″ and it has many details not covered elsewhere.
I highly recommend getting yourself up to speed on his information, which paints a more detailed picture than others have been able to assemble.
Lotus (112); JPL (160), sorry I missed Sarah Chayes on PBS. The NY Times features her articles from Afghanistan. She is an admirable American. Went to Afghanistan to report on the war and stayed to help the Afghans. Sells soaps and things the Afghans make which can be purchased through outlets here. Can tell us a lot of where we are going wrong in Afghanistan.
Valley Girl @ 195
VG my mother also suffered from Alzheimer’s disease. I’ll never forget the time , in the depths of her unawareness,she sat in front of the TV and answered every question on Jepardy correctly before any one else could jump in. Then, in an instant it was back to full fledged goofiness. Go figure!
Ed*ard Teller @ 50
Makes a nice expert witness list in a defamation lawsuit. Even better when you throw in all the 9/11 Commissioners who’ve vented their fact-based outrage at PT911.
ET – On David Cunningham and antisemitism, I ran down your link to see what makes YMAM tick. My impression: More Dominionist than antisemitic.
I’d bet YMAMers think Jews who don’t convert face hellfire and wouldn’t suffer a retreat to the ‘67 borders. But is John Hagee antisemitic? Only in an artful sense. Their goal to “transform Hollywood from the inside out” has an antisemitic tinge. Some bile bubbled up about why Gibson was not up for an Oscar, but it never metastasized. The film industry being what it is, the hints are there, but they seem more bent on making Christian propaganda. I didn’t see any Jew-baiting on ChristianCinema.com.
Someone they cited refused to apologize for Christian antisemitism amid furious whitewashing. In saying the problem began with Constantine, though, the writer tracked James Carroll’s critical analysis. The claim that, in the Crusades, “Bible believing Christians were also victims of the gangs of thugs sent out by the popes and priests to plunder the Holy Land” reminded me of the Christians Benedict XVI singled out for mourning at Auschwitz. Not as bad as Reagan at Bitburg, but a grim reminder of how far we have to go.
But I didn’t see proof that Cunningham’s Daddy is Mel’s. I’d bill the threat as Dominionist, not that there’s anything right with it.
But now that I mention it I wonder what dirt there is on Loren Cunningham.
Busted- thanks I will look into that. However, I live in a condo, so where to go to blast may not be as obvious as for a stand alone house. Mostly it’s my own fault/ choice, in that I have 2 other toilets that work perfectly fine, and there for now seem to be more pressing issues. And, it’s my own stubborness about being “Ms. Fixit”, or the curious mind. Still remember when as a kid I took a safe lock apart, because the combination had been lost, and I saw this as a challenge. Yep, I figured out the lock combination.
Gore On Path to 9/11: ‘It Would Be Fundamentally Irresponsible To Air Such Distortions’
VG – had a similar plumbing problem recently… thought maybe the septic tank needed to be pumped because all drains were slow and then started to back up.
Had a new trap installed outside so any future problems could be addressed without opening trap inside. Upon installation, found the paper towel that I flushed not realizing that it could cause problems. Plumber said new homes all have trap installed outside.
Moderator, could you please delete my #230 now? Thanks.
If only we had Kerry or Gore instead of the current trainwreck..sigh..it’s like comparing a silk purse to a sow’s ear or rather sow’s heir.
Why do candidates keep hiring these pathetic consultants? How did they come to be considered such “experts”? Sometimes I think they are actually planted moles, they give such bad advice. Hire some people outside that damn isolated bubble that actually know what the rest of the country is looking for.
you know what?
I BET Bush denounces the film, I BET cheney denounces the film
what else could they do?
I would LOVE to see an interview with lieberfool about this movie
marily @ 236
“I wonder what they would be saying today.” This is a question I am ceaselessly asking myself about those who were close to me, and have passed. What would they think? What would they say? What would they advise me to do?
twolf1 @ 242
thanks for the link twolf1. Also, I have been meaning to thank you for providing links to new threads… ;)
marily @ 235
I’ve found tons of speeches and conversations on text and audio, now that the toobz are fully fleshed out. Great, soaring rhetoric, common talks, pressers. And the more I read and listen, the more likely my head will explode if I listen to one more BushBlab. The differences are more than stark – they’re revolting.
Musically, I’m mostly tapped in the past, and with this bunch in charge, linguistically, too.
Really, at one end, there’s Chomsky, and at the other, Chimpy.
*ooabby @ 238
Yep. My father and I always played card games, and continued to do until he was hospitalized. He could still beat me at Gin Rummy, even though I’d have to keep explaining the rules to him. Go figure, indeed.
Cozumel @ 227
I don’t remember if that’s the book I read about John O’Neill, but in the one I read, he mentions Presidential Decision Directive 39 and how it helped him tremendously in investigating Al Qaeda
PDD 39 is here
Yeah, I understand Cozumel. But the planting of stories about Osama began while Clinton was fighting his impeachment. I gotta get that book you mentioned. My library is expanding rapidly :)
Busted- re: your deletion request. Puzzled. I am missing it or it is gone. *ilson probably has worked his magic.
Amber- well, it was the paper towels in my case, that’s clear! What a good memory you have!
new thread
Moderator,
I tried to say thanks and my computer locked up. I had to re-boot.
Thank you!
Valley Girl – your comment about your Dad brought me to tears. both of my parents died of Alzheimers. My Dad with early unset and my Mom spent many years taking care of him until she was getting sick too and I had to make the decision to put him in a nursing home.
Mom came to live with me and she too started her long ‘goodbye.’ She would accuse me of trying to burn the house down, but on sunny days I would get her into the car and we would drive. Just drive — anywhere — and as she looked at the scenery, she slowly began to talk. She talked clearly, asking how my kids were, talking about Dad and how she missed him — regular conversations. It was as if the activity and something new to look at brought her mind to life again.
Only in the last years of her life could I not bring her brain alive with activity and a change of scene. I work very hard to keep my brain active. It is probably my only defense.
if the dope had a little fire in 2004, things might be considerably better than they are now: many Americans and Iraqis might not be dead or maimed, America might be on the road to recovery, and the criminal regime and corrupt subversive cult of republicanism that got us to this horrific condition coulde be well on its way to its natural place as a plite on the history of himanity. But since Kerry didn’t have any fire in 2004, we have the cesspool of ruin that is the US today.
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ccmask @ 251
The Cell was recomended to me by very good friend who’s been at the bureau
since 2003 in intel . So I took that as a heads up on it’s accuracy ; )
Grandma J- oh thank you huge < << hugs >>>.
So Kerry isn’t going to take it anymore. Maybe if he’d shown some guts and fought back against the “Swift Boaters” instead of letting his “handlers” tell him to take that moronice “reporting for duty” STRATEGY he could be making more of a difference.
I heart my Senator(s).
You go John Kerry. You GO!
I want a factually accurate and unbiased historical accounting of the events leading up to 9/11 that correctly reflects the facts and truth rather than fiction and falsehoods. I can’t help but wonder why someone would write a movie about a genuine national tragedy and “choose” to include inaccurate and untruthful scenes and release it immediately prior to mid-term elections, when they could have just as easily “chosen” to get everything right and release it after the mid-term elections.
I can’t help but wonder why ABC/Disney would advertise the movie was based on the 9/11 Commission Report, when there are scenes in the movie involving real people that are totally fictitious and contradicted by reported facts and what’s in the 9/11 Commission Report.
If this movie was intended to be a work of fiction, why use the names of the real people involved instead of pseudonyms? Why write a movie with real people in it depicting real historic events and claim it is based on a real government report, and then include false and misleading scenes that didn’t happen, are historically inaccurate and are contrary to reported facts and the government report? Why would ABC/Disney make a fictitious movie about a recent historical event and not feel a responsibility to get it right? It is unbelievable that this movie is not intended to effectively denigrate the Clinton administration and flatter the Bush administration immediately preceding mid-term elections. By that I mean, the movie was purposely created for purely political rather than theatrical purposes. It’s a propaganda piece. I’m sorry. I don’t believe calling for accuracy and truth consistent with reality, facts and the findings of 9/11 Commission Report is in any way Fascist.
The significance of the 9/11 attack on America inherently mandates that it’s depiction be wholly truthful, wholly accurate and wholly non-partisan. Presenting a combination of fact and fiction that can only lead to a “confusion” between fact and fiction, is irresponsible at best and an act of treachery at worst.
“Fascism is a radical political ideology that combines elements of corporatism, authoritarianism, nationalism, militarism, anti-anarchism, anti-communism and anti-liberalism.”
“Propaganda is a specific type of message presentation directly aimed at influencing the opinions or behavior of people, rather than impartially providing information. An appeal to one’s emotions is, perhaps, the more obvious propaganda method, but there are varied other more subtle and insidious forms.”
obsessed @ 185
Paul Wellstone was such a man, I believe. I’ve thought for years that his plane crash was no accident.
I don’t know if anyone noticed or not, but one of the ladies in this film, Patricia Heaton, she played Raymond’s wife in “Everybody loves Raymond.” Remember her crying and sobbing uncontrollably about Terry Schiavo?
Just, as they say, saying.
Does anyone know if Nowrasteh was his birth name or did he choose it when he decided to overthrow “Liberal Hollywood”?
When I was checking him out earlier, he was one of three Nowrastehs in the country; the others are in Las Vegas and Madison, Wisconsin. (Probably related, but I’m not going there.)
On Kerry and the difference between the way he speaks in public and in private: snap diagnosis, possible mike or stage fright. (I can talk to individuals, even in a largish group, but I can’t talk to a group, even if it’s only three or four people. Meet stage fright, up close and really personal.)
To: robert.a.iger@disney.com, rich.ross@disney.com, sean.cocchia@disney.com, gary.marsh@disney.com, shelton@disney.com, scott.garner@disney.com, karen.myer@disney.com, meredith.metz@disney.com, lisa.salamone@disney.com, joanna.spak@disney.com, mark.kenchelian@disney.com, olivia.stafford@disney.com, albert.cheng@disney.com, karen.hobson@disney.com, nicole.nichols@disney.com, aime.wolfe@disney.com, patti.mcteague@disney.com, paul.lee@disney.com, annie.fort@disney.com, alex.wallau@disney.com, david.westin@disney.com, fred.kuperberg@disney.com, anne.gates@disney.com, deborah.dugan@disney.com, graham.hopper@disney.com, angela.emery@disney.com, chris.bess@disney.com, peter.murphy@disney.com, john.bryson@edisonintl.com, monica.lozano@laopinion.com, john.chen@sybase.com, gary.wilson@nwa.com, leo.odonovan@mbna.com, tom.staggs@disney.com
Valley Girl @
224
I’m a plumber and I’m sure that what you need to find is called a clean out. There should not be a trap downstream from your toilet. The toilet has a trap cast into it, sinks have traps just under the sink, etc. You really need to find a clean out UPSTREAM of the stool, and rod downstream past the stool. It is often easier to pull the stool, really. Shut off the water, flush the tank, plunge the trap to move most of the rest of the water out, disconnect the water supply, take the two bolt/screws from the base, lift off and shuffle back a few feet.
Often the problem will be found right there, if not run the rod. You will need a new wax ring, most likely. Scrape the old one off with a putty knife.
The hardest part is knowing if you got the clog, running LOTS of water will help. Easier if it’s totally clogged, the water will back up, and suddenly drain when you get the clog.
Hope this helps.
Senator Kerry’s outrage comes through loud and clear in this latest missive. The so-called Path to 9/11 is nothing more than a right wing propaganda film of the type we used to see in the 40’s and 50’s. These gross distortions need to be aggressively challenged by all who value the truth.
Since ABC/Disney/Scholastic Inc decided to strrreeeettcchh the truth a wee bit with their (ahem) historical recreations of events leading up to 9/11 (especially during President Clinton’s administration), I believe it behooves us to help them with some other (ahem) historical recreations, but this time during the Bush administration, during which 9/11 actually happened:
President Bush, August 6th, 2001, being briefed by a CIA officer at his ranch. CIA officer reading from a Presidential Daily Briefing (PDB) entitled “Bin Laden Determined to Strike Inside the United States.”
Bush gets impatient, rips the PDB from the CIA officer’s hands, says “Okay, you’ve covered your ass” to the officer, and blows his nose with the PDB.
Then Bush tells the CIA officer to leave, because Bush has to go to the potty.
Bush then walks outside and heads to the ranch outhouse to take care of business, still clutching the PDB, muttering to himself that the ranch outhouse had almost run out of U.S. Constitutions and Bill of Rights toilet paper to wipe their asses with and this PDB (whatever it said, he thought) should work perfectly until they restock with some more U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights toilet paper.
The next scene shows Bush still at his ranch vacationing, sitting in an easy chair, dozing.
And the next scene, same thing.
And the next.
And the next.
With calendar days ticking by through August 2001 into September 2001.
Then a picture of the 9/11/2001 attacks appear on the screen, which is a split screen, with the other half showing Bush dozing in an easy chair.
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This is a fictionalized historical recreation of actual events preceding the 9/11/2001 terrorist attacks and is loosely based on the 9/11 Commissions Report.
Okay. Who’s got a video camera? Lights, camera, action!!
I think I smell a contest, with others coming up with their own fictionalized historical recreation of pre-9/11 events during the first eight months of the Bush administration that actually greased the way for the 9/11 hijackers to succeed.
It gives one hope that Kerry may understand that it’s not about him–we’re in a fight for the very soul of the country and the America we’ll leave to our children.
jeffreyw @ 267
OH WOW!!!! THANK you. I will use your advice. I can’t believe the diversity of expertise at FDL, and the willingness to help. This truly is a wonderful community. Thank you, jeffreyw.
Oklahoma kiddo
Yes, that question is a big one. Being diabled now, which is very hard for me to say and admit to totally, reading and learning and responding to calls of action in a way that I can is being true to their and my spirit. I am angry so often, never truer that in this particular ABC/Disney/Scholastic fascistic historical rewrite, and being able to register my response to these disgusting ploys gives me a small measure of being able to matter, as they did so very well. I realize now that even small ways matter and that to give up any voice that I MAY HAVE is defeating to all; democracy is, after all, every voice. I do what I can and am grateful for those who are able to do so much more and better than I. Bonhoeffer continues to be an inspiration to me; as silly as that may seem. My very best to you, kiddo.
marily @ 272
Thank you for this comment, and for this information. Bonhoeffer was/is a hero to many, and there is nothing silly in saying such.
marily ,
It is so nice to see you here again.
Welcome back.
Jonny Come Late(ly) strikes again.
You go John & Taylor!
“It always leads back to the lies coming from the Republicans in power, starting at the very top. As Daniel Ellsberg once said, ‘You don’t have to be an ichthyologist to know when a fish stinks.’”
mOropeza @ 23
Would I like to see that!
- A former New Jerseyite
One aspect of this I haven’t seen discussed yet is Disney’s liability to its shareholders if it airs this miniseries. It is a for-profit corporation, yet it is about to air something that will deeply offend the two thirds of America that disapprove of the current administration and are unwilling to forgive a ridiculous propaganda piece in its favor.
I already wrote to Disney and my local ABC affiliate telling them I am boycotting them if they air this thing, and that will not be a rare sentiment. And no matter how leniently you read the business judgment rule, there is no way a reasonable set of managers in the place of Disney’s would not have foreseen that making factual misrepresentations obviously intended to damage perception of Democrats, in direct contradiction with the 9/11 Commission Report on which it is fraudulently represented as being based on, meant pouring tens of millions of dollars into driving away much of its customers and trashing its most valuable asset, the goodwill attached to its name.
In short, Disney’s shareholders potentially have a significant case to sue Disney for knowingly damaging shareholder value.
And that’s besides the potential case for libel by the individuals portrayed in a false and defamatory way.
re: Flight 93
For those who are petrified of a whiff of ct, fine, hit page down.
However, nobody can deny that the Bushistas have a “code of silence”. And, it pervades every department in the current US gov, even NASA. It is a sure bet Cheney and NEADS did not order 93 shot down. So why the secrecy? Why does the FBI continue to keep the NTSB report about Flight 93 a secret? I don’t think the FBI has ever done that before. Why has the flight data recorder info not been made public. Why has only the useless cockpit voice tapes been made public? (duh)
How can anybody say they are not sandbagging, trying to hide something? How did an engine depart the aircraft a mile behind the crash site? Don’t tell me about debris fields. The debris field for 93 was about 100 yds wide as 93 augered in vertical.
I suspect that if the whole truth about 93 got out that things would start to snowball, people would come forward, and the public would start hearing the truth about many other events. If the public were to learn the whole truth about 93, it would be evident that the Bushistas control of the US gov assisted by the GOP controlled congress) was at an end.
Nice words by the Big Dawg. But why did Fox News give him scary black eyeballs like Brother Justin from Carnvale?
Hey, powwow500, I, too, just love that quote from Ellsberg.