"... In other words, we said to Osama bin Laden we think getting rid of Saddam Hussein is seven times more important than dealing with of you. - President Bill Clinton
So, after Bill Clinton got through ripping ABC and Republicans, with a little help from his lawyers, I started thinking. What does John Kerry think about "Path to 9/11"? So I emailed my contact in Kerry's Senate office.
Then I'm working this morning, in the middle of a conference call actually, when my cell phone rings. It was John Kerry.
After quick pleasantries, Kerry took off. If Iger's office door was open at the time he could have heard Kerry all the way from Massachusetts. Talk about ticked. He let rip. Let's just say Kerry's fed up and he's not going to take it anymore. After our conversation, which lasted around 15 minutes, I got a statement from him that says it all.
What I find most stunning in all of this is that now five years after the real 9/11 – as if any fiction could somehow make more searing what each and every one of us lived with our own eyes and ears – is that we need less revisionism about the past and a hell of a lot more reality about what’s going on now. Right now.
Instead of the fiction written to excuse the invasion of Iraq by exploiting the 3,000 mothers and fathers, sons and daughters who were lost that day -- they were attacked and killed not by Saddam Hussein but by Osama bin Laden – we need the truth.
Here’s a little truth: The President pretends Iraq is the central front on the war on terror. It is not now, and never has been. His disastrous decisions have made Iraq a fuel depot for terror – fanning the flames of conflict around the world.
The terrorists are not on the run. Worldwide, terrorist acts are at an all-time high, more than tripling between 2004 and 2005. Al Qaeda has spawned a vast and decentralized network operating in 65 countries, most of them joining since 9/11. The Taliban now controls entire portions of southern Afghanistan, and just across the border Pakistan is just one coup away from becoming a radical jihadist state with nuclear weapons. The Middle East is more unstable than it has been in decades. Hezbollah flags fly from rooftops in Shiia slums of Sadr City and Iran is rebuilding Southern Lebanon. We have an Iraqi Prime Minister sustained in power by our forces, who will not speak against the Hezbollah terrorists, who will not say that Israel has a right to exist, and who will not condemn the Iranian nuclear program, who will not even as a national leader support the national army over the Shiite militia. In other words, the Iraq government that the administration cites as the front-line force in the fight against terrorism won’t even take our side when we are fighting terrorists. No American soldier should be asked to stand up for an Iraqi government that won’t stand up for the values and interests that draw them into battle every day. Oh, and the 9/11 commission recently gave our government a failing grade on implementing intelligence reforms.
I love watching movies, but with the world looking the way it is right now I think this is a good time to stick with just the facts. After Iraq, we've all had enough fiction to last a lifetime.
Senator John Kerry
"Path to 9/11" intends to blame President Bill Clinton and his administration, not only for 9/11, but for not catching Osama bin Laden. Never mind the Republican Congress that was focused on Bill's zipper.
I don't know if you saw Kerry on "Hardball" yesterday, but after slamming Bush on his torture policies, Kerry nailed George W. Bush, Donald Rumsfeld and Tommy Franks yet again for letting bin Laden get away at Tora Bora. The facts about Tora Bora are no longer up for discussion, because it's been documented time and again. Gary Berntsen was the "guy on the ground" (emphasis added below).
BERNTSEN: We had locations on him, we had human source reporting which had proved reliable throughout the war. And that is why we won the war so rapidly. We had picked up a radio off of a dead al Qaeda member and we're listening to bin Laden pray with his people, apologize to his people for bringing them in there.
I had CIA's top Arabic linguist with me, who had listened to bin Laden's for four years. We threw a 15,000-pound Blue 82 at them and then we had B52's conduct strikes on the same areas where he knew he was. He was willing to constantly sacrifice the lives of young Muslims to save his own skin.
O'DONNELL: You have said, “I knew exactly where he was.”
BERNTSEN: Yes, we did know exactly.
O'DONNELL: So why didn't you and his team go get him?
BERNTSEN: Well of course there was quite a bit of fighting going on.
We had about 2,000 Afghan allies that were the Eastern Alliance, which was created. There were gun fights, there were gun battles. We were trying to . we moved up the mountains, you know, with these Afghans.
The Afghans were less than reliable and this is why I was calling for ground forces. And I called for, you know, 600-to-800 rangers to be inserted in there, and had 600-to-800 rangers been inserted, we probably would have ended the thing.
O'DONNELL: So you called for backup and you didn't get it?
BERNTSEN: Well the point was, that wasn't my call in the end. I made the request in the first two or three days of December. We initiated that operation. We inserted our team in late November into Jalalabad there.
O'DONNELL: So did General Tommy Franks, the four-star commander, did he deny you those rangers that you requested?
BERNTSEN: Well, I requested the rangers directly from the commander of JSOC, who was on the ground out there. And of course, their decision was not to do that. They were pleased with the fact that we were killing several hundred of them a day.
The problem is this: when you are fighting terrorists, success for the terrorists is not defeating us on the battlefield, it's escaping. And I was trying to make sure that we eliminated every single one of them. And in that case, we didn't.
We killed quite a large number of bin Laden's force. We killed 75 percent of the people there. He did cross the border. You may recall that 130 of them were captured by the Pakistanis on the back side of Tora Bora, but bin Laden and his element were able to escape.
O'DONNELL: You were on the ground, Gary, and we understand that, but General Tommy Franks, who's now retired, says that you are wrong.
BERNTSEN: Well, I was the guy on the ground.
"Path to 9/11" is yet another chapter in the ongoing fictional saga we've been fed over years of the Bush administration's reign and the Republican Congress's rule. The worst of it started with 9/11, but continues into Iraq. It always leads back to the lies coming from the Republicans in power, starting at the very top. As Daniel Ellsberg once said, "You don't have to be an ichthyologist to know when a fish stinks."
...In his bunker under the White House, Vice President Cheney was not notified about United 93 until 10:02—only one minute before the airliner impacted the ground. Yet it was with dark bravado that the vice president and others in the Bush administration would later recount sober deliberations about the prospect of shooting down United 93. "Very, very tough decision, and the president understood the magnitude of that decision," Bush's then chief of staff, Andrew Card, told ABC News. Cheney echoed, "The significance of saying to a pilot that you are authorized to shoot down a plane full of Americans is, a, you know, it's an order that had never been given before." And it wasn't on 9/11, either.
President Bush would finally grant commanders the authority to give that order at 10:18, which—though no one knew it at the time—was 15 minutes after the attack was over.
But comments such as those above were repeated by other administration and military figures in the weeks and months following 9/11, forging the notion that only the passengers' counterattack against their hijackers prevented an inevitable shootdown of United 93 (and convincing conspiracy theorists that the government did, indeed, secretly shoot it down). The recordings tell a different story, and not only because United 93 had crashed before anyone in the military chain of command even knew it had been hijacked.
At what feels on the tapes like the moment of truth, what comes back down the chain of command, instead of clearance to fire, is a resounding sense of caution. Despite the fact that NEADS believes there may be as many as five suspected hijacked aircraft still in the air at this point—one from Canada, the new one bearing down fast on Washington, the phantom American 11, Delta 1989, and United 93—the answer to Nasypany's question about rules of engagement comes back in no uncertain terms, as you hear him relay to the ops floor. ... ...
9/11 Live: The NORAD Tapes (emphasis added)
Kerry is pissed about "Path to 9/11", which gets down to another attempt to swiftboat the Democratic Party on issues of national security in an election year, something he knows a bit about. Kerry will be giving hell to Republicans all weekend, first in a speech tomorrow, then on "Late Edition" with Wolf Blitzer, where Dick Cheney will be in his sights, as will ABC's desperate docudrama, "Path to 9/11."
If you haven't heard, Cheney will be Tim Russert's "exclusive" guest on "Meet the Press" on Sunday. I've got one question for Dick: Why did you lie about the decision to shoot down Flight 93?
From the tone of our conversation today, if Kerry had just five minutes with the vice president I bet he'd get a straight answer and he wouldn't have to use waterboarding to get it.
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Keep up the pressure, people! These folks answering the phones, reading and answering the emails and re-filling the FAX machines just want to go home to spend the weekend with their families — continued pressure can make their lives hell!
We can stop this.
Thanks, Taylor.
OOOHHH RAAAHHH!
amen and thanks Taylor!
Blogger is down, taking down Atrios and everybody else hosted there.
No one in my Massachusetts family ever thought Kerry had any guts.
How come he is getting them 2 years late?
At least he’s working it now.
“Blogger is down, taking down Atrios and everybody else hosted there. “
It’s a hack job by Lieberman. Or ABC. Or Disney.
Give ‘em hell, Kerry, like you didn’t in 2004. You owe it to us.
did [dangerstein] hack blogger?
inquiring minds want to know. where’s tweety?
TeddySanFran @ 11
Has Joe stopped beating his wife yet?
FYI - I’m holding “Hubris” in my hands right now.
bdu - based on your comment/request yesterday, take a look at:
Enter a permalink from any supported blog and you’re good to go. No need to mess with constructing the URL yourself.
[Brought foward from previous thread]
mark
If you think that Pumpkinhead might forget to ask BigTime the question YOU want answered, you can suggest it here:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6913788/
Really great post Taylor!
Thank you so much for this piece, Taylor, and for the energy you bring to your work. This is an important clarification, and gives us another bit of hope about the palpable momentum to take back our government.
Everyone raise their voice.
TeddySanFran @
11
that’s Donger-SSHTEEEN !
Hey RBG, TSF and thanks, angie.
Nice sentiments, John.
You get applause from me after you go on a couple of national shows this weekend and pound them like a stake through the hearts of a couple of Republicans.
Not before.
Eddy
//hoping and praying of course that he does it
Mark Steckel @ 14
Thanks Mark, that’s exactly what I had in mind (with the bonus of restricting input to blogs on our side)! Now the less technically-inclined FDLers can do this easily.
Might warrant a front page note to let people know it exists?
Great post. But you know that Timmeh will not be asking Uncle Dick any hard questions at all.
Tom Keane the republican 9/11 commisonar who supports ABC has a son running in New Jersey for a senate seat. I wonder if Tom realizes that pissing on the 9/11 familes with a bunch of lies is not a good thing to do when your state is so close to New York. Not only that but pissing liberals off with these lies before an election is not a good idea if we decide to make Keane Jr the next Joe Lieberman!
Boycott Disney!
Heya Taylor, great piece!
So for the lawyers among us, how do average citizens go about getting the FCC involved? I don’t mean seeing it through to the end, but how do we make even more waves over this stinker?
Thanks for the update, Taylor, and terrific reporting, BTW. I think that John Kerry works best when he’s fired up, and this sure looks to be one of those times. Personally, I would want to be anywhere near Disney HQ right now.
I want a non-R presidential candidate who talks like this on the trail, not years later.
bdu @ 21
Presuming you mean Spotlight’s front page, good idea. Anyone else’s front page works for me too. :-)
Congrats on getting Kerry to Rant for you on the phone. I wish his press release had the passion I’m sure he was able to convey to you off the record.
In the immediate past thread, I highlighted that the more I find out about the producers of PT911. the more I’m convinced they’re a seriously anti-Semitic cult. We need to keep investigating this and highlighting the worst, most shadowy aspects of this affair.
WOW. Taylor, you sure know how to kick this place up a notch!!!
For once I wish I smoked; I feel like I need a cigarette after reading that. Phew.
Senator Kerry or staffers — in case you’re checking in — thank you so much for the straight talk, and for taking the time to talk with Taylor.
Meanwhile, over at the Last Throes backlot:
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“…Afghanistan is facing its deadliest spate of violence since U.S.-led forces toppled the hard-line Taliban regime for hosting Osama bin Laden. Hundreds on both sides have been killed each month this year.
A roadside bomb hit an Italian military convoy in western Farah province Friday, wounding four troops, one seriously, NATO and the Italian Defense Ministry said.
Some 20,000 NATO soldiers and a similar number of U.S. forces are in Afghanistan trying to crush an emboldened Taliban insurgency. The heaviest fighting takes place across vast desert plains in southern Helmand and Kandahar provinces, also center of the country’s massive opium trade.
“The fighting is extraordinarily intense. The intensity and ferocity of the fighting is far greater than in Iraq on a daily basis,” Brig. Ed Butler, the commander of British Forces in Afghanistan, told British ITV news.
He echoed NATO commander Gen. James L. Jones’ call Thursday for more troops. Jones, who said the next few weeks would be decisive in the fight against militants, was expected to press officials from the 26 NATO member states for more soldiers and air support at talks being held in Poland on Friday and Saturday…”
http://articles.news.aol.com/n.....0009990001
Things ‘r goin’ really swell, ‘eh, GeeW?
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beth meacham @ 22
And Mark said “Let there be SPOTLIGHT, and there was SPOTLIGHT, . . .”
Maybe if a couple folks spotlight this to Russert, it might give him a few ideas . . . and if you spotlight it to his competitors and Russert ducks, it might give THEM a few ideas.
. . . and we saw that it was good. Damn good.
AmericaBlog, also hot on the heels of the Mouse, is also a blogger/haloscan product, down as well. Hmmmm.
Well, we won’t let that stop us from hounding these propagandists.
Aux armes, citoyens! Formez vos bataillons!
You know the drill. Marchons!
Taylor –
Thank you for this post. I am a big fan of yours, and because of time restraints, don’t get to your blog anywhere near as much as I ought or want to. Bless you for all you do!
hmmm wonder if Teresa owns any Disney stock….
who owns a big share? anyone know how to find out?
Thanks Kurt, Rayne. Hey Cujo359, and I agree. Kerry was in rare form today on the phone. It was like talking to my brother. We just went at it over “Path to 9/11″. When it came to Tora Bora, he exploded. Bush letting bin Laden get away still pisses him off in the extreme. It was great. He was so good on the phone I wish I could have taped the whole thing and blasted it across the web.
Thank You Taylor!
MaryCh — we had a non-R candidate like that, straight-talking straight-shooter.
DLC f*cked him, right along with the Repugs during the primary.
His name is Howard Dean.
John Kerry should use 1 word for every 5 there are in his head at any given time. Seriously, the dude talks like he’s his own thesaurus & think-tank.
I really hope he doesn’t run for President. I know in his heart he thinks he should be, but I think he’s just not the kinda guy I wanna have a beer with, y’know? *g*
I will take bets that Russert will ask the questions people are suggesting, but then let Dickie off with spouting his oh-so-soft-spoken trash without following up. That is what turns my soul watching him, he let’s his ‘friends’ just spout nonsense and he just keeps smiling and noding. With dems he attacks — he will give Dickie cookies and milk.
I just e-mailed this to my local ABC affiliate, KOMO. I wish I’d sent it yesterday, but it’s taken me this long to calm down to the point where I was only this angry:
Part One of this piece of tripe has already been broadcast in the United Kingdom [3] [4].
Like many people who have ties to the East Coast, I spent most Sept. 11, 2001 wondering if the people I knew who lived and worked in New York City and at the Pentagon were OK. My step-sister worked less than a mile from the WTC. Thankfully, all were OK. Millions of Americans went through some version of that story on September 11, 2001, and thousands received the news we all dreaded. As far as I’m concerned, by broadcasting this mendacious propoganda, you are showing callous disrespect for the victims and survivors of that tragedy, as well as doing a horrible disservice to your country by misleading them concerning how this tragedy happened.
ABC’s explanation so far has been that no one has seen the edited version, so we have no business criticizing. That is nonsense. The version shown on the BBC would require removal of much of the content before it would cease to be an atrocious distortion of history [5]. Richard Clarke, who was the anti-terrorism chief for both Presidents Clinton and G.W. Bush, has stated that an entire scene was completely fictional, and distorts the truth completely [6]. They also claim, though they offer no proof, that there are equal numbers of people who complain about the program’s treatment of President Bush. This is not an excuse; it is irrelevant. There is no possible excuse for such willful distortion of the truth on a matter this grave. If some of those distortions have made President Bush look bad, you have done no one any service.
For years, I’ve watched programs like “Lost”, “Boston Legal”, and “Desperate Housewives” on your station. I have also watched “Da Vinci’s Inquest”, which you have shown late at night in syndication. If you show this dreadful piece of revisionist political trash, however, that will no longer be so. I will program your station out of my television and off my DVR and VCRs. Your channel will cease to exist in my TVs, because you clearly have no respect for your audience, the truth, or your country.
[1] Zap2it listings as of 2:00 AM, Sept. 8, 2006
[2] ‘”Path to 9/11″ Maker Has Evangelical Ties’, TPM Muckraker http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/001491.php
[3] ‘”Path to 911″ is a joke on BBC’ - Helen, European Tribune http://www.eurotrib.com/story/2006/9/6/75749/52989
[4] Google search of BBC website yields listings for “The Path To 9/11″
http://www.google.com/search?q=site:bbc.co.uk “The Path To 9/11″
[remaining footnotes in a followon comment. Don’t try link [4], it doesn’t display properly on this forum.]
Peterr @ 31
OK folks. Its going to be hard not to let this go to my head. :-)
Let’s make our voices heard and see if we can get these guys to pull this blatantly obvious Bush propaganda. ABC may profit from the predictable controversy but airing a film designed to obfuscate Bush’s responsibility for 9/11 will cause ABC to suffer greatly in the estimation of serious people.
Disney and ABC should leave the RNC propaganda to Fox, it’s not ABC’s demographic.
Robert Iger - CEO - robert.a.iger@disney.com
Rich Ross - President of Disney Channel Worldwide - rich.ross@disney.com
Sean Cocchia - VP/Business Development, Disney Channel Worldwide- sean.cocchia@disney.com
Gary Marsh - Disney Channel Worldwide President of Entertainment - gary.marsh@disney.com
Sarah Shelton - Assistant to Gary Marshsarah - shelton@disney.com
Scott Garner - SVP/Programming, Disney Channel - scott.garner@disney.com
Karen Myer - Assistant to Scott Garner - karen.myer@disney.com
Meredith Metz - Senior Vice President, Creative Affairs, Walt Disney Television Animation - meredith.metz@disney.com
Lisa Salamone - The Head of Animation Production, Disney Channel - lisa.salamone@disney.com
Joanna Spak - The Head of Finance, Planning, etc., Disney Channel - joanna.spak@disney.com
Mark Kenchelian - The Head of Business and Legal Affairs, Disney Channel -mark.kenchelian@disney.com
Jewell Engstrom - CFO and Executive VP for Disney-ABC Cable Group - jewell.engstrom@disney.com
Olivia Stafford - Assistant to Jewell Engstrom - olivia.stafford@disney.com
Albert Cheng - EVP/Digital Media, Disney-ABC Television Group - albert.cheng@disney.com
Karen Hobson - Digital Media Communications Office, Disney-ABC Television Group - karen.hobson@disney.com
George Bodenheimer - Co-Chairman Media Networks Group - george.bodenheimer@disney.com
Nicole Nichols - Senior VP of Entertainment Communications, Disney-ABC Television Group - nicole.nichols@disney.com
Aime Wolfe - Assistant to Nicole Nichols - aime.wolfe@disney.com
Patti McTeague - VP of Kids Communications - patti.mcteague@disney.com
Siobhan Kenny - Acting Head of International Communications - siobhan.kenny@disney.com
Paul Lee - ABC Family Channel - paul.lee@disney.com
Annie Fort - ABC Family Media Relations - annie.fort@disney.com
Alex Wallau - President of Network Operations & Administration - alex.wallau@disney.com
David Westin - ABC News President - david.westin@disney.com
Mike Shaw - ABC Sales and Marketing President - mike.shaw@disney.com
Fred Kuperberg - Disney/ABC Executive VP of Business and Legal Affairs - fred.kuperberg@disney.com
Kara Rousseau - VP of Ad Sales Marketing for Disney/ABC Kids Networks - kara.rousseau@disney.com
Kim Harbin - Buena Vista Media Relations - kim.harbin@disney.com
Anne Gates - Disney Consumer Products Executive VP & CFO - anne.gates@disney.com
James Fielding - Senior VP, Retail Sales and Marketing for DCP - james.fielding@disney.com
Deborah Dugan - President of Disney Publishing - deborah.dugan@disney.com
Graham Hopper - Senior VP and General Manager of Buena Vista Games - graham.hopper@disney.com
Angela Emery - Director of Public Relations, Buena Vista Games - angela.emery@disney.com
Chris Bess - Buena Vista Home Entertainment - chris.bess@disney.com
Peter Murphy - Senior Adviser to Mr. Iger - peter.murphy@disney.com
Judy Estrin - Board of Directors - jestrin@packetdesign.com
John Bryson - Board of Directors - john.bryson@edisonintl.com
Monica Lozano - Board of Directors - monica.lozano@laopinion.com
John Chen - Board of Directors - john.chen@sybase.com
Gary Wilson - Board of Directors - gary.wilson@nwa.com
Leo Odonova - Board of Directors - leo.odonovan@mbna.com
Thomas Staggs - CFO/Senior V.P. - tom.staggs@disney.com
David K. Thompson - Senior Vice President
*xyz @ 13
WOOHOO! Dang, such a big news week, I’m hoping that’s the only reason we haven’t yet seen “Valerie Plame Was Director of Operations on Iraq’s WMDs” as a headline on all the news sites. This is ridiculous. Let alone the other revelations in that book yet to be covered.
I believe David Corn is going to be on Hardball tonight so maybe THAT will get the ball rolling.
Awww, Mark!
Go ahead, let it go to your head. Once your head is nicely swelled, use it to head-butt the bastards.
When life gives you
lemonsa swelled head, makelemonadea new weapon in the war against evil propagandists!Remaining footnotes to previous comment:
I also tried to e-mail this to Robert Iger at the address someone listed two or three threads ago, but it was bounced as “addressee unknown”.
Mrs. K8 @ 32 - Everyone has time constraints, so I totally understand. Thanks for taking the time to reach out. It means a lot to me.
Mrs. K8 @ 42
{chuckle} :-)
Rayne @ 36
I’m not prone to prayin’, but AMEN!
Very nice, Taylor. And your piece, “Choose One: Raytheon or Our Troops” from yesterday? Time to show you some love!
Really disappointed –
Thanks VERY much for those addresses!
And let me just tell you that the LAST voice I want to hear on 9/11 is George Freakin’ Bush. Boycott that nonsense too, networks. Refuse to carry his lies and distortions. Just say no. We are sick to death of his inarticulate, blood-soaked, self-serving jingoism. Stop propping up this Atrocity. He has no clothes.
David Pearls Brooks is on TV saying that Bush’s talks on terrorism now gives the WH the moral highground. Are you kidding me????? Give me a freakin’ break! Our torture policies are so heinous that we have to practice them offshore. This is madness.
I don’t think this important letter by prominent historians has been posted here yet:
Dear Robert Iger:
We write as professional historians, who are deeply concerned by the continuing reports about ABC’s scheduled broadcast of “The Path to 9/11.” These reports document that this drama contains numerous flagrant falsehoods about critical events in recent American history. The key participants and eyewitnesses to these events state that the script distorts and even fabricates evidence into order to mislead viewers about the responsibility of numerous American officials for allegedly ignoring the terrorist threat before 2000.
The claim by the show’s producers, broadcaster, and defenders, that these falsehoods are permissible because the show is merely a dramatization, is disingenuous and dangerous given their assertions that the show is also based on authoritative historical evidence. Whatever ABC’s motivations might be, broadcasting these falsehoods, connected to the most traumatic historical event of our times, would be a gross disservice to the public. A responsible broadcast network should have nothing to do with the falsification of history, except to expose it. We strongly urge you to halt the show’s broadcast and prevent misinforming Americans about their history.
Sincerely,
Arthur Schlesinger
Sean Wilentz, Princeton University
Michael Kazin, Georgetown University
Lizbeth Cohen, Harvard University,
Nicholas Salvatore, Cornell University;
Ted Widmer, Washington College;
Rick Perlstein, Independent Scholar;
David Blight, Yale University;
Eric Alterman, City University of New York
http://openlettertoabc.blogspo.....l-for.html
YAY Taylor! Thank you so much!
You know, the political landscape is littered with the bodies of people who thought they had a solid case against Bill Clinton. ABC/Disney is going up against him with pure, defamatory fiction, and they’re doing it after receiving a clear warning from his lawyer. At this point, I kind of want to see them air the show. The aftermath will be like watching the courtroom equivalent of George W Bush in the ring with Mike Tyson. It won’t be pretty, but it’ll sure as hell be compelling television.
meta –
I always assume that anything David Pearls (really? Pearls?) Brooks considers “moral high ground” is really just a swampy cesspool of corruption.
Thanks for the love, newtonusr. Appreciate it. Back at you marily.
Love it, Frank Probst.
That’s for sure.
TeddySanFran @
37
Teddy:
Some of us L.A. based bloggers met with Kerry a few months back, and while I understand what you’re saying, and somewhat agree, I came away from it really wanting to have a beer with the guy, and play some guitar. And he promised to call me the next time he had some free time out here.
He looks you in the eye, talks without using talking points, in intelligent english, and truly was a pleasure to talk with.
OK, I’ll shut up now.
Frank Probst @ 52
Can we say CBC Clinton Broadcasting Corporation. *g*
Really good post by Max Blumenthal.
“Discover the Secret Right-Wing Network Behind ABC’s 9/11 Deception”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....29015.html
Now that’s a fight I’d pay money to see hehe.
SteveAudio @ 54
I’d believe it, lots of pols are perfectly capable of having a normal, intelligent, clear-spoken conversation in person in a private setting, but go gushy with the vocab and mushy with the meaning in public.
Did that stop the link madness?
Kurt @ 57
‘ere !
Sorry about that, I just edited the post to repair it… preview should be my friend.
Rayne @
29
Gotcha covered, hoss.
long exhale
Oh yeah. Good medicine.
WOW… I go on vacation and you guys are having so much fun…. Hi Ed*ard Teller, back in the lower 48…. after they cleared the bear off the tarmac in Cordova so the plane could land.
My kids own Disney stock in their Divident Reinvestment program, that will be gone ASAP. Email Apple to let them know that I will never buy iTunes from Apple if they have PT911 as a free download, AND thank you Taylor about the Choose One: Raytheon or Our Troops, since Raytheon is an Arizona company, stinking rotten war profiteers…
Mrs. K8 @ 53
I think the allusion is to “clutching at pearls”. But you knew that. Whatever, Brooks is a slimy varmint. Driftglass sure cuts him up at his place. Its funny (albeit true) when he gets on David Brooks.
OT but it makes me happy, so I’ll share:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200....._brad_pitt
now if only our government would listen and let these folks get on with it!
Mark, please know that we’re not just blowing sunshine through your ears. Spotlight is a sweet, sophisticated tool that saves us billions of minutes of research, which makes it snap to articulate and broadcast our responses to daily events that mean so much in our daily lives. It collects our voices in ways we didn’t have before, ways we can act upon in moments. It puts gas in our tank. So we just want to say most sincereley, thank you for working on this and thank you for giving us the owner’s manual. You have been a great catalyst for us.
Awesome post Taylor!
Awesome comments ya’ll!
tommy yum @ 63
Tommy
You guys a re fuckin’ killing me! Got 16.5 weeks off the heaters, and you give me Good Medicine? Oh, well - time for another Liquorice Altoid!
TeddySanFran @ 37
Teddy - am with you as far as Kerry’s proclivity for speaking in paragraphs - he may well be unelectable for this reason alone. But I live near Boston, at one time did work that brought me into contact with him, and know folk who have had the occasion to tip a pint or two with our man John - he is in fact a GREAT guy to have a beer with! Open, fun and a genuine raconteur - apparently just can’t be that way in front of a microphone. This has always puzzled me ….
Kurt @ 57
Yeah. Especially the ear-biting part.
Great post Taylor.
Lou Dobbs just said “Tom Keane consulting on a fiction movie…”
Ruffian at 32:
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/mh?s=DIS
Thanks so much, Millineryman.
“Fiction” movie is right, ET.
Mrs. K8 - hellllloooooooo! Sending you good wishes for all those other good wishes you got going.
Millineryman @
72
Ditto
newtonusr - licorice Altoids????? Curiously strong? I want one.
Damn you, Kerry, where was that fire in 2004?
At least you’re roaring now…
You, too, Taylor. Fine post.
good for senator kerry!
hope he will be so forthright in a public forum soon. hmmm…. he’s giving a “major” speech tomorrow… i’ll be there with fingers crossed!
one bothersome point though, was this:
what terrorists is he refering to? from the context, it seems like he’s refering to hezbollah - but we’re not fighting them. and why should we be pissed that prime minister maliki isn’t acting sufficiently puppet-like? it doesn’t matter what maliki said about the israeli/lebanon war… he was in no position to influence outcomes.
kerry needs to read kinzer’s book “overthow“
Once upon a time — I actually remember this — Americans loved to hear politicians and other public figures speak using elegantly-worded English.
Just think of JFK’s and Bobby’s speeches. MLK, too. And not just intellectually incisive, but frequently poetic, too.
I remember when Buckley’s Firing Line was watched by millions (many of whom disagreed furiously with his politics) who admired his use of the English language.
Heck — remember the week-long debates between Buckley and Gore Vidal, every night on prime time during the Democratic convention??
I remember when people who lacked education wished they had it. I remember when people who spoke poorly wished they could speak well. I remember when being smart was seen almost universally as a huge ASSET (attacks on “egghead” Adlai notwithstanding — there have always been contingents of “Know-Nothings” — but parents wanted their children to be SMART.)
Now? It is to weep.
meta @ 67
Thank you, truly, for your kind words. Its means a lot. I am very pissed and disappointed at what has happened to our country. The media has enabled the entire mess.
I truly believe that until we can get some real semblance of balance in the press, we have an such an uphill battle that all our efforts may be for naught.
My personal inclination and approach is to look at things from a systems perspective. Thus building Spotlight, which is a distributed tool, for hopefully, improving the traditional news media.
There’s more coming to the main Spotlight site. If you haven’t checked out the following page and followed the links, please do so. It lays out the overarching story fairly well.
http://www.thespotlightproject.org/media.php
mark
Great post. Thanks for the juxtoposition of the ABC fabricated Sandy Berger/WH scene vs the Berntsen fully documented real deal at Tora Bora. The starkness of the two says it all. Thanks.
hackworth, someone here once said the driftglass is a she!
Kurt @ 58
Haven’t we paid enough?
I guess we can safely say that campaigning Republicans accept Disney Dollars.
Why not bombard Steve Jobs of Apple Computer who is a major
stockholder of Disney? Didn’t Disney make him even richer by the
buyout of PIxar? Let him know that we all are watching him as well.
When is he going to step up and denounce this Disney crap!
meta –
Hugs to you, love! Did you hear the good news? Tandy the beloved pupster’s latest ultrasound this week shows NO METASTASIS so far.
Thanks to you and all others who supported us emotionally and offered prayers and good thoughts. It really helped.
Now I gotta go do the swimming pool workout, followed by the official physical therapy session. Be back a.s.a.p.
Keep it up, Firepups! Never give up, never give in. Our Constitution is a most noble cause.
Mrs. K8 @ 82
Mrs. K8 — your fingers to the Great Programmer’s data base.
Mark Steckel,
meta speaks for me.
Sam @ 87
I don’t know for sure but it’s likely Steve Jobs has already heard about this kerfuffle…
or brouhaha, if you prefer …
meta @ 78
There you go. Gotta really love licorice (liquorice if your a Limey) to go for these!
AmericaBlog has the Apple info at this link:
http://americablog.blogspot.co.....apple.html
Mrs K8, yes I know of your good and well-deserved good news. Keep up your exercise. It will keep your head clear!
And I agree wholeheartedly with your great post on the English language. Thank you for stating it so.
percy @ 79
The same with Al Gore in 2000. Gore has been unshackled by not having to serve in elected office. Gore at Cooper Union - best speech on American politics in ten years. Gore giving his slideshow - the most impressive public service by a former presidential candidate in decades.
Kerry’s press release is important for its demand for facts and truth, but it is a pale cataloging of Bush’s failures, carefully crafted to keep from alienating any potential Kerry ?2008 campaign contributors.
I just wanted to repeat again that what the Senate Intelligence Committee said today that there was no connection between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda was known to about 100 million Arabs before the Iraq invasion. They knew that while Saddam was a very bad man the idea that he and Osama were working together was ludicrous. It just floors me that years later this comes as news to anyone and it tells you a lot about why we are in the mess we are in that more than 40% of Americans still believe it.
*ilson46201 @ 93
I love reading kerfuffle. It’s like a dignified ruckas. *g*