Now that key Democrats like Big Dog and Harry Reid and the Families of September 11 have jumped into the fray, it’s apparent Disney got way more than they bargained for with their wingnut-appeasing revisionist history moment. Some have argued that the imprimature of the 9/11 Commission be pulled off, and that’s a good start. But ABC needs to yank this pig and re-think it or risk burning some serious bridges.
I think they were so conditioned to the Democrats putting up no fight it just didn’t occur to them something like this could happen, and it probably wouldn’t have if bloggers hadn’t gotten out in front of it and thrown gas on the fire. And making big political enemies within the party who just might take over one of the houses of Congress is a really, really bad idea, especially just prior to a hotly contested election.
Disney eats much bigger budgetary shit than this all the time. And what they really don’t need is bloggers organizing to roll back their draconian copyright protection legislation in retribution, esp. with a bunch of legislators already softened up and prone to be compliant.
I’m not saying it will be easy to keep them from airing this thing this weekend, but it isn’t un-doable. If I were negotiating with them I’d suggest postponing it until all the aggrieved parties, including the former President of the United States, had had the same opportunity to see it as 900 shitty little wingnut bloggers. And most certainly until after the election.
It would give them a graceful out at the moment, and in the end might bog the thing down so it will eventually get released in a much-redacted version and go straight to DVD.
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Kobe is 1st.
Hey gang!
turd..er, third
http://www.911pressfortruth.com/
“When you have an important point to make, don’t try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time – a tremendous whack.” Churchill
It would be wonderful if they agreed to pull/postpone it. Wonder if Jobs (Apple) and Scholastic are key factors?
“I think they were so conditioned to the Democrats putting up no fight it just didn’t occur to them something like this could happen,”, I think you are absolutely right.
And, “900 shitty little wingnut bloggers”, you are funny as hell :)!!!!!
Well, if you’re a republican who’s really pissed off at bloggers, you could always go shoot some doves..
via Boing Boing
OT and copied from prev thread:
I just received a very nice thank-you card from the Joseph and Valerie Wilson Legal Support Trust.
Please consider donating to help them with their legal expenses. It is a very worthy cause.
bloggers organizing to roll back their draconian copyright protection legislation in retribution
Oooooh – I LIKE the way you think, Jane.
Remind me to never piss you off.
muckraker is reporting that Scholastic has pulled pt911 materials.
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/001483.php
Richmond @ 6
Well, they’re different legs of the stool, and probably not able or willing to withstand as much pressure as the big corporations.
I have some experience with Disney, having become their unwilling subject when they bought our record label back in the day. With respect to their accounting practices and willingness to abide by written agreements, I have nothing nice to say.
Hey Massachusetts- Bill Delahunt making you proud on C-SPAN right now!
I hope it can at least get postponed until after November.
ember @ 7
Ask Joe Lieberman about the 900 shitty little wingnut bloggers. Turned out a whole lot of primary voters in August.
The rest of you – - – take notice.
Don’t tread on me!
Urban Pirate @ 11
Yes, but a lot of the materials are already out there. Whoops!
FYI – If it hasn’t been noted, Robert Iger’s predominantly donating to democratic causes, per opensecrets.org.
I think they were so conditioned to the Democrats putting up no fight it just didn’t occur to them something like this could happen,
Absolutely, and this is why we have to keep it up in this fight and all the other ones that prompt the faint-hearted to say “It’s just a movie/It’s just one campaign/It’s just one column” (and on that last note, may I OT encourage everyone to read Old Lady Broder’s foolishness and drop him a polite but fact based message of elucidation?).
I grew up on the whole Disney thing. My Grandma took me to Disneyland in 1956. About the time the theme park opened. But I shall never forget the time I was denied a ticket as 17 year old at the Disneyland ticket booth in Anaheim in 1965, because I had Beatle length hair. Walt Disney was a very conservative man.
Urban Pirate @
11
One down, one to go…
SCHOLASTIC REPLACES “THE PATH TO 9/11” CLASSROOM GUIDE WITH NEW DISCUSSION MATERIALS FOCUSING ON CRITICAL THINKING AND MEDIA LITERACY SKILLS…
http://www.scholastic.com/abou…..006_CP.htm
This is a VICTORY
Can someone help me out here? I’ve had a running dialogue with the news director (Randy) of my local ABC affiliate since yesterday, and here’e the crux of out disagreement: Randy says they have a contractual obligation to show the miniseries and are not allowed to act independently. A comment at TPM Cafe … well, here’s the comment by Josh Marshall, verbatim:
“Also of note, a lot of stations, like the ABC affiliate in Cleveland, seem to be fibbing to their viewers, claiming that they have no choice but to air the movie, even though that’s not true, since they are independent ABC affiliates.”
Meanwhile, Randy tells me that …
“I’ve been in the TV business for 25 years and have never heard of an “independent affiliate”. If a TV station is an ABC affiliate, then they
are not “independent”. If they are an independent station, then they are not affliliated with ANY network.”
So, who knows something about this?
Interesting that we haven’t heard much about the other people who participated in this debacle. You know, I always liked Harvey Keitel, but after this I’ve lost respect for the guy, unless he steps forward and denounces this agitprop BS. Same for all the other actors who participated, the director, the investors, etc.
If you were Bob Iger, would you like to get a letter from the former President of the United States, whose wife, the junior Senator from New York, happens to be the front-runner for the Democratic Presidential nomination, 62 days before the Congress may shift control?
I wouldn’t. I think this dog might hunt yet. Let’s keep up the ABC, Disney, Apple, Steve Jobs, George Mitchell, 9/11 Commission pressure from voters, consumers, stockholders, and constituents.
Who controls the imprimature of the 9/11 Commission? How can it be used for commercial gain, let alone tripe? Was a vote taken by the Commission allowing its name to be lent to this enterprise?
Would anyone be interested in passing out flyers to customers in front of the San Francisco Apple Store tomorrow? The Disney store is right across the street, we could cover both if we had enough people….
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Had Enough?
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Irishamerican @ 21
Believe it when I see it.
signed
I don’t trust republicans
Well, the BBC has already aired Part One, with Part Two scheduled for the 11th…
BBC Listing for Monday, 9/11/06
Guess this will be known as the “unedited” version…
Anyone with Brtitish contacts out there?
am I the only one childish enough to be amused by the fact that this movie stars Donnie Wahlberg, the inspiration for Johnny Drama on Entourage? Mark Wahlberg is the star of Disney’s football movie, Invincible. And for everyone wondering how Disney/ABC can afford this forty million dollar in-kind off-the-books donation to the RNC, that movie is (I think) number one, and they own the Pirates of the Carribean franchise.
MSNBC has just announced apparently that Scholastic has pulled out of the 9/11 piece, we’ll see if true.
Irishamerican @ 21
True. A very weak one, though.A real victory would be if Scholastic dropped the whole program altogether. Note that nowhere in that report is there any mention of Scholastic bringing up the issue of intentional deception and propaganda.
Using pt911 as an example of that is the only “teachable moment” this situation provides, and Scholastic is dodging that one.
I, for one, am not appeased.
Alan Bisbort @ 23
Maybe he’s trying to make up to the wingnuts for showing his weener in “Bad Lieutenant?”
Lou Costello @
4
Lou–I’m working on a piece that will discuss 9/11 Press for Truth. Hope to get it posted around 5:30.
I saw a promotional photo for the fiction that looked like Corbin Bernsen. Is he in it, too, or was it a very bad photo of Harvey Keitel?
Scholastic ditches ABC/Disney’s Mockumentary
by kos
Thu Sep 07, 2006 at 01:45:06 PM PDT
A significant victory.
Educational media giant Scholastic, Inc. announced it’s dropping its original classroom companion guides to a controversial new docudrama, and replacing them with materials stressing critical thinking and media literacy.
“After a thorough review of the original guide that we offered online to about 25,000 high school teachers, we determined that the materials did not meet our high standards for dealing with controversial issues,” said Dick Robinson, Chairman, President and CEO of Scholastic, in a press release.
I hope everyone is not doing the fool’s work by fighting back so hard against ABC’s GOPDrama, thus raising its profile thru publicity over the factual distortions. If I recall correctly, 9/11 themed movies have generally tanked. This one is scheduled against both the debut of Sunday Night Football on NBC and Monday Night Football on ESPN. Where do you think the vast majority of the audience will be?
That said, given this article in the NY Times today http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09…..washington
(sorry for the lack of a proper link)
about the return of Lieberman to the Democratic Caucus in Washington, I personally am more disgusted by the reaction of the Senate Democrats than by the distortions in the ABC movie. Lets get back to making sure there is a real Democrat elected to the Senate from CT.
I wonder if the ABC folks hid information about the bias in this hit piece from their Disney overlords – and perhaps John Stossel will have an expose on the horrors of being owned by Disney, what with their tolerance of gays and minorities and so forth at the theme parks.
just sayin’, it could happen…
Jane,
You’re a beauty all of the time.
Ever more so when you are pissed!
I cannot see how today’s release by Al-Jazeera of the O.b. Laden tape regarding the 9/11 perps does Bush any good. If anything, it seems to work against him and in favor of assuming his gross ineptitude.
Richmond — this AAPL shareholder sent a faxed letter to Jobs at Apple.
TeddySanFran — you make my point for me about damage to Apple.
As a shareholder, I’m not happy about potential collateral damage to a brand I “own”.
As a citizen, I’m more concerned about this abortion they call a free press.
SCHOLASTIC HAS PULLED THE MATERIAL FOR GOOD!
http://www.scholastic.com/abou…..006_CP.htm
“SCHOLASTIC REPLACES “THE PATH TO 9/11” CLASSROOM GUIDE WITH NEW DISCUSSION MATERIALS FOCUSING ON CRITICAL THINKING AND MEDIA LITERACY SKILLS”
Send your thanks to kgood@scholastic.com
Kyle Good
And what they really don’t need is bloggers organizing to roll back their draconian copyright protection legislation in retribution, esp. with a bunch of legislators already softened up and prone to be compliant.
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Frankly, this should happen anyway, because it’s the right thing to do. It was the expectation of the Founders that copyrights would expire after a limited amount of time, and works of art and literature would enter the public domain. Mickey Mouse should belong to everyone, not just Disney’s shareholders.
What I’ve seen: turgid acting and a whispery conference scene with Donnie boy saying, “well, are we going to wack him or not.” I hope it sails off like Titanic, the real story.
Incidentally, I heard that Disney is the only publisher that ever gave the Library of Congress program for the Blind and Physically Handicapped, shit. Not exactly as philanthropic as they probably want to appear.
*xyz @ 33
Hi-fucking-larious. The materials obviously met their high standards for creating controversial issues.
caldonia — thanks much for the update on Scholastic. And definitely, carrots should be given where appropriate; we should not dole out sticks only.
CAUTIONARY NOTE: Contact your local school district and make sure they are aware of this position change, and that the questionable materials if already downloaded by instructors or curriculum directors are pulled from the school and replaced.
It would be very interesting to see who the writer/writers of the script were. Anyone know how to get this info. Hopefully there would be info on say the consultants…….Rendon Group maybe?
Raw has up a piece on Scholastic’s decision. I’m not convinced they have really done anything different. Will they include Saudi Arabia for example. Someone (maybe a teacher) should scrutinize those materials closely. Also, are they still linking the the pedagogy to the ABC film itself.
Jennifer Nix @ 31
Their server’s hosed.
Irishamerican @
21
YES! Kudos to all the folks chipping away.
Richmond @
45
Agree that we have to wait and see-but this is a pretty quick turning around of a MAJOR company by the blogosphere. We can withold thank yous to Scholastic until they actually, you know, show us what they have got.
Anyone who’s followed the evolution of ABC over the last few decades will recognize that this is just another step in the ‘networks’ descent.
From a fairly representative, kinda respectable television network that was acquired by Cap Cities (a truly vile bunch) and then the diseased Mouse (an even viler bunch if that’s possible) all one can say is ‘There’s no surprise here’. Too bad.
There is a precedent for what happens when a network proposes to show a docudrama that is opposed as being an unfair and untruthful political hit on its subject — the 2003 piece that CBS did on the Reagans. It was withdrawn, delayed and shown on another, more limited media, with a critique panel later.
If you think this precedent might be helpful — a “graceful way out” — then check out what Glenn Greenwald has said on this topic for the last couple of days. Then borrow it, link it, etc and let us spotlight it to every major market tv station and print reporter in the country.
caldonia @ 39
I won’t be thanking him. Their response is an insult.
Their press release implies that the problem is one of differing viewpoints, and that pt911 can be used as a way to teach how to disagree, or something.
But the real problem is that of lying and outright propaganda. Scholastic’s new program still gives legitimacy to pt911. It’s just a slight spin to try and avoid fallout.
It is not a real victory at all — the materials still suggest that the movie can be used as a basis for actual discussion and debate, which it cannot.
If Scholastic is unwilling to drop all connections to the movie at all, at the very least they should use the movie as a lesson of how propaganda works in the modern day — not as anything having to do with actual terrorism issues.
I will continue to target Scholastic on this. They get no thanks from me.
I don’t trust the Scholastic announcement –they are not abandoning the study guides, merely reworking them. I don’t trust any of them at this point.
Richmond @ 45
I find it *real* curious how they could have excluded Saudi Arabia in the original materials.
scarecrow @ 50
Actually, I’d rather ABC be forced to burn all the master copies at the entrance to Disney World, a la Burning Man, but I’d settle for a CBS-like solution, I suppose….
seepeesate @ 51
Then tell him you’re insulted.
Ruh-roh…diogenes has an open italics tag…
seepeesate @ 51
I agree.
The blogosphere should not have to read them the riot act before they do the right thing.
1. Media Literacy – what is a docudrama; how does it differ from a documentary; what are the differences between factual reporting and a dramatization?
Although a good teacher should be able to nail that one home for the kids. & that could be an important lesson.
Jane and all the Fire Dogs,
Since finding out about the lies and distortions in ABC’s so-called 9/11 docudrama, I did a Google refresher on the Clinton administration’s response to terrorism because I don’t have all the facts at my command.
The results were astonishing:
The mastermind and several of the perpetrators of the 1993 WTC bombing captured, indicted, tried and convicted and serving life sentence in US federal prisons. Likewise, many of the perpetrators of the 1998 attacks on our embassies in Africa.
Details of Clinton’s Omnibus Terrorism Bill in 1995, which received anemic support from the Republican controlled Senate and House, which finally passed a weakened version of the bill in ‘96.
And on and on.
I wonder how much would it cost — and if there’s time — to develop a full page ad for Sunday’s NYT, something like “The Missing Facts from ABC’s 9/11 Fiction.”
If it’s doable, I’d definitely contribute. Your thoughts?
Whoever is moderating, please close the italics tags that appear to remain open from post 37 through post 54. Thank you very much for your help.
I think they were so conditioned to the Democrats putting up no fight ….
That includes the threat of a lawsuit. Recall what John Dean said to us about keeping his powder dry for a libel action and how it holds his enemies in check. Now compare the tone, substance and 11th hour timing of Bruce Lindsey’s letter with these quotes from John Dean’s preface (CWC at xviii-xix):
The approach is identical. The subtext here is: Mickey doesn’t run with scissors. Be reckless and you’ll be liable for damages under NY Times v. Sullivan. I’ve always wondered by Democrats never do this. No more.
TeddySanFran @ 54
TeddySF: I prefer your solution as well. I’m asking whether there is value in the comparison, because if, as I suspect, ABC doesn’t pull this, then it would be helpful for media all over the country to have all of the righwing quotes from the 2003 incident to draw from in reporting the different treatment accorded to Clinton vs Reagan, in addition to all the ammunition about how the piece is just dishonest. If ABC shows this, then let them pay a heavier price in the critical commentary they receive. And, if they see in advance that this will be part of the price they pay, it might tip the scales. But who knows?
FWIW, I’m not getting italics
Do, let’s Do, Roll back those UN-GODLY
Copyright laws!
They’re Un-American!
OT Tweety just announced that Bigtime to be on MTP this Sunday. I thought it was debate time.
more snarling terror talk.
betcha those 900 wingnut bloggers will be salivating with their whoopie pies firmly clutched in their grubby little hands.
Alittlemusicalityplease – on NYTimes ad – nice idea, but that is rather preaching to the converted (or at least would be viewed as such).
alittlemusicalityplease @ 59
A lot of this homework is already done by Glenn on a story he posted two days ago. It needs to be spotlighted — but Glenn doesn’t have that function on his blog.
Here is an email from LandRover, an ABC sponsor I contacted yesterday:
Richmond @ 65
ya think? Not to get all meta, but it might be a way to force the spotling on to the inaccuracies of the film and the sheer partisanship of the creation and marketing campaign of the movie. Those who control the talking points win the debate. maybe.
Get this headline on abcnews.com – “Clintonistas Claim Foul Over ABC 9/11 Film “.
Clintonistas? Guess that tells us all we need to know about ABC.
mui @ 53
The Saudis are our friends. Right? Just ask the Bush gang. They like ‘em a lot.
Turns out that our friends are now considering “an unprecendented proposal to ban women from performing the five Muslim prayers in the immediate vicinity of Islam’s most sacred shrine in Mecca. Some say women are already being kept away.”
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..ning_women
“And what they really don’t need is bloggers organizing to roll back their draconian copyright protection legislation in retribution”
Ahh, Jane, goin’ straight for the gonads.
Squeeze tight, don’t let go.
Maybe this will backfire and get the masses looking at the foil hat 911 theories. Who knows, maybe even a REAL investigation into what happened, especially if November winds blow cool for the bedwetter projectors.
Wow. I couldn’t check in with FDL until now and I find the whole GOP world crashing to the ground. I especially like the Bolton delay and the spot Chafee is in. Of course none of this would be happening if it weren’t for Jane and Christy and all the other contributors who are spreading information in milliseconds, and then taking direct action. There is hope out here. Thanks everyone!
Richmond @ 45
The original materials were :
“Provided by the Generosity of ABC News”
Ah, it worked!
Jane wrote:
Just a sec. Are you saying we should bargain away draconian DRM in return for not airing this bit of propaganda?
P J Evans @ 77
third times the charm ;) !!!
Good question for Lieberman: Did you receive an advance copy of Path to 911?
They could air the BBC 3 part series “The Power of Nightmares” [video.google.com] in its place.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 70
Oh absolutely according to the gospel of BushCo.
BTW. Another disturbing example of militancy mixed with religion right here in the U.S of A.: Jesus Camp
Disney must be paying for stopping the Florida high speed train…
scarecrow @ 66
Glenn’s blog may not have the Spotlight links, but the Spotlight is ready and waiting for Glenn. :-)
In fact, you can Spotlight any of Glenn’s posts but it requires a bit of manual work. Its easy, don’t worry.
Using the following template:
Copy the permalink to any of Glenn’s post and replace “[PERMALINK]” in the above URL with the actual link. Here’s an example.
Of course, you will need to enter the resulting URL into the address bar of your browser.
Richmond @ 65
I see your point. But I’m a NYT reader and before my google search, I didn’t have a list of bullet points on Clinton’s terrorism policies at my command. The point of the ad would be to highlight the facts and make them top of mind.
What provokes me most about this whole sordid incident is the cynical manipulation of our children! When anyone attempts to brainwash children they sink to the level of the Nazi youth movement, seriously. I cannot find words to describe precisely how reprehensible it is.
And yes, I am aware that Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, George Bush, et al, are sociopaths of the highest order — and clinically insane to boot — but when they are so desperate to retain power that they stoop so low as to propagandize impressionable children, I am really to go to the mattresses. I cannot be more serious.
Have you had enough? Its time to throw the rascals out!
Someone at Kos in the comments made a nice list:
—–
“OK, here the names, titles and email addresses for a number of key senior Disney decision makers I found, starting at the top
with the CEO and board of directors are at the bottom.
Let’s make our voices heard and see if we can get these guys to pull this blatantly obvious Bush propaganda. ABC may profit from the predictable controversy but airing a film designed to obfuscate Bush’s responsibility for 9/11 will cause ABC to suffer greatly in the estimation of serious people.
Disney and ABC should leave the RNC propaganda to Fox, it’s not ABC’s demographic.
Robert Iger – CEO – robert.a.iger@disney.com
Rich Ross – President of Disney Channel Worldwide – rich.ross@disney.com
Sean Cocchia – VP/Business Development, Disney Channel Worldwide- sean.cocchia@disney.com
Gary Marsh – Disney Channel Worldwide President of Entertainment – gary.marsh@disney.com
Sarah Shelton – Assistant to Gary Marshsarah – shelton@disney.com
Scott Garner – SVP/Programming, Disney Channel – scott.garner@disney.com
Karen Myer – Assistant to Scott Garner – karen.myer@disney.com
Meredith Metz – Senior Vice President, Creative Affairs, Walt Disney Television Animation – meredith.metz@disney.com
Lisa Salamone – The Head of Animation Production, Disney Channel – lisa.salamone@disney.com
Joanna Spak – The Head of Finance, Planning, etc., Disney Channel – joanna.spak@disney.com
Mark Kenchelian – The Head of Business and Legal Affairs, Disney Channel -mark.kenchelian@disney.com
Jewell Engstrom – CFO and Executive VP for Disney-ABC Cable Group – jewell.engstrom@disney.com
Olivia Stafford – Assistant to Jewell Engstrom – olivia.stafford@disney.com
Albert Cheng – EVP/Digital Media, Disney-ABC Television Group – albert.cheng@disney.com
Karen Hobson – Digital Media Communications Office, Disney-ABC Television Group – karen.hobson@disney.com
George Bodenheimer – Co-Chairman Media Networks Group – george.bodenheimer@disney.com
Nicole Nichols – Senior VP of Entertainment Communications, Disney-ABC Television Group – nicole.nichols@disney.com
Aime Wolfe – Assistant to Nicole Nichols – aime.wolfe@disney.com
Patti McTeague – VP of Kids Communications – patti.mcteague@disney.com
Siobhan Kenny – Acting Head of International Communications – siobhan.kenny@disney.com
Paul Lee – ABC Family Channel – paul.lee@disney.com
Annie Fort – ABC Family Media Relations – annie.fort@disney.com
Alex Wallau – President of Network Operations & Administration – alex.wallau@disney.com
David Westin – ABC News President – david.westin@disney.com
Mike Shaw – ABC Sales and Marketing President – mike.shaw@disney.com
Fred Kuperberg – Disney/ABC Executive VP of Business and Legal Affairs – fred.kuperberg@disney.com
Kara Rousseau – VP of Ad Sales Marketing for Disney/ABC Kids Networks – kara.rousseau@disney.com
Kim Harbin – Buena Vista Media Relations – kim.harbin@disney.com
Anne Gates – Disney Consumer Products Executive VP & CFO – anne.gates@disney.com
James Fielding – Senior VP, Retail Sales and Marketing for DCP – james.fielding@disney.com
Deborah Dugan – President of Disney Publishing – deborah.dugan@disney.com
Graham Hopper – Senior VP and General Manager of Buena Vista Games – graham.hopper@disney.com
Angela Emery – Director of Public Relations, Buena Vista Games – angela.emery@disney.com
Chris Bess – Buena Vista Home Entertainment – chris.bess@disney.com
Peter Murphy – Senior Adviser to Mr. Iger – peter.murphy@disney.com
Judy Estrin – Board of Directors – jestrin@packetdesign.com
John Bryson – Board of Directors – john.bryson@edisonintl.com
Monica Lozano – Board of Directors – monica.lozano@laopinion.com
John Chen – Board of Directors – john.chen@sybase.com
Gary Wilson – Board of Directors – gary.wilson@nwa.com
Leo Odonova – Board of Directors – leo.odonovan@mbna.com
Thomas Staggs – CFO/Senior V.P. – tom.staggs@disney.com
David K. Thompson – Senior Vice President – David.
OT: I’m watching the movie Fatso with Dom DeLouise and Anne Bancroft–funniest movie and I haven’t seen it in years.
Pre-911 Clinton did not have the moral authority to kill anybody in the world at will, as Bush was given after 911. Nevertheless Clinton was a better Hunter and had better intel on Al-Quaida because of his personal intectual curiosity and the team that worked for his administration.
Judy Miller still did not explain her knowledge of something big that was going to happen inthe summer of 01.
Jane-
Yeah, right the fuck on. If this dog airs, and the elections go in favor of the Democrats as seems likely, perhaps the incoming chairs of the House Committees ought to point out that any future copyright legislation is DOA and oh, by the way, maybe it’s time to re-examine what’s been done before. Perhaps it’s time to bring copyright laws back in line with the “original intent” of the Founding Fathers.
That ought to awaken the Rat that Ate Orlando. Quickly.
Mark Steckel @ 84
That’s easy enough, though it would also be easy to make a webform that could do that for you, “Enter URL here:” and concatenates the url to the end of the baseurl… for the less tech inclined FDLers.
Oh, and thanks again, Mark, for this great tool.
Mark Steckel — I’ll try it. You’re dealing Mr. URL-challenged, so I’ll be back in a few days. Thanks.
Why Does the Left Hate “The Path to 9/11″?
By Hugh Hewitt
Thursday, September 7, 2006
http://www.townhall.com/Column…..ath_to_911
Mark —
I just want to add my voice to the chorus of approval for SPOTLIGHT, and say in particular how helpful it is to know you always seem to be RIGHT HERE to answer questions and provide guidance.
Welcome to the team, dude.
#90 — No, Harry, I have to disagree. Clinton was on top of the problem; he was thwarted at every turn by a Republican-controlled congress that spent every waking minute of its time destroying his presidency by any and every means at its disposal.
Refresh your memory:
http://www.motherjones.com/new…..antom.html
A lot of smoke comming out of the Pakistani fire, giving OB Laden a free ride. The Democrats should jump all over this, another Bush “utter” failure.
What’s required is a BIG FAT LIBEL SUIT!!!
tommy yum @ 46
Since it does look like the ‘9ll Press for Truth’ site is down, you can watch the trailer here: Google Video
Think that at some point Thomas Kean is going to have to be hung out to dry by ABC/Disney and Scholastic/Apple. Can’t believe that this piece of dreck got this far up their respective food chains without many, many folks in legal depts and elsewhere, etc. throwing up flags. Only thing I can think of that would have allowed this to be green-lighted this far is Kean’s imprimatur. What’re you going to say when their stock answer is that the Chairman of the 9/11 Commission signed off on it and is still touting its accuracy? Guarantee you that people on the inside of those corporations are apoplectic about this and are asking some very pointed questions. 9/11 Commission Chairman Thomas Kean is soon to be toast, IMHO….
Jim @ 27
I read earlier it was Mark in the crockumentary; thanks for pointing out that it is the other brother. Funny that he is the inspiration for an Entourage character; so is Mark Wahlberg’s agent, Ari (brother of Rahm) Emanuel. Small world, isn’t it?
Lawyer for Big Dog, Albright and everyone else slammed in this trash should made plans to instigate one ASAP if changes aren’t made.
Just the name of this miniseriesexplains a lot. The path means everything that happened before 911. And that leaves out Bush if it ends before his tomato throwing inauguration.
bdu @ 92
What a wonderful idea! I wonder if I’ll be able to get to it today?…
:-)
@ 96 What I am saying is that prior to 911, Republicans and Democrats and the American people would not have approved indiscrimenate bombing in Afghnistan or Pakistan to get OBL, with some collateral damage. This Moral Authority was given to the US President by the 911 tragedy, while it has been wasted by Bush since.
Posture at 22, if your local abc station is owned and operated by abc, as opposed to merely being an affiliate, it does what the owner (abc) wants. If it is merely affiliated it has some leeway. There have been cases where affiliates have refused to carry the network’s offerings, usually because they could make more money by programming something else. And sometimes they decide that some other program is more important to their viewers (a local political debate, a local sporting event etc.) The network owned and operated stations are in the larger markets (New York, Chicago, LA etc.
ccmask @ 103
excellent, excellent point!
TeddySanFran @ 95
Thanks! But why oh why do I have to have a “real” job when there’ more important stuff to do?!
:-)
ccmask @ 87
I arrived home last night to find a cd of that song in my mailbox…My soundtrack until November and beyond…
Path to 9/11 blog:
http://openlettertoabc.blogspot.com/
If y’all haven’t read this dKos diary by a former screenwriter yet, it’s worth a look:
The question now becomes whose influence was powerful enough to persuade ABC and Disney executives to take such an egregious gamble when they knew their product stood a decent chance of driving away or alienating those advertisers, and costing those shareholders millions of dollars?
Who, indeed?
ccmask @ 87
Aw yeah.
The election calculus has been pretty simple for the last five years. Send 100 k to the goopers and wait for favorable legislation. All of a sudden- we’re in a different world. It’s possible now that you can send the 100K to the goopers- the goopers will lose- and you will not only not get your legislation- or whatever was on your christmas list- you may get a punch in the chops for being a gooper enabler. This is going to take some time for everyone to adjust to. Imagine- you have to send money to the DEMS? Wow– It’s a new world out there.
Ok – I was out for a while:
Judd Brown says:
September 7th, 2006 at 1:50 pm
jayt @
134
Judd Brown says
September 7th, 2006 at 1:38 pm*
Forgive him, for he sucks ass.
You will forgive me, then, sir, if I refuse.
Forgiven. Now, taunt him a second time.zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz,/ziz.
Are you serious?
You want a piece of me?
the day I can’t take on Tucker Carlson, and by extension you, is the day I’ll hang ‘em up.
Bring it on, bright boy.
Me too Dru! What a surprise. I played the song all the way to and from work today, non-stop!
For 22 about local TV stations:
Network affiliates are either owned and operated by the network (called O&Os) or by an “independent” company that contracts with the network to show their programming.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L…..affiliates
Generally, if a local affiliate is NOT owned by the network, they can do whatever they please. Remember all those stations that did not air Private Ryan because the language was too salty? Or, those who, back in the day, refused to air NYPD Blue its first season?
Now, they may not get all the bennies that “play along with us” affiliates if they piss off the network, but absolutely, they can pull 2 old movies out of the vault and show them instead.
Go back at him tomorrow if he is not an O&O.
caldonia @ 39
Agreed. As soon as they put up the new materials, I’ll be sending an email and calling to express approval. We must let them know we will support them when they do the right thing as well as kick them in the butt when they do wrong.
Back to Joe for second. His blog has now moved on to ridiculing John Kerry, using the old Republican “flip-flopper” insinuation. Joe is just such a Republican. Wow. Here’s the quote from Joe’s blogger, Eric B.
“What’s up with Ned and Iraq?
This is what the Connecticut Post had to report earlier today:
“[Ned] remains opposed to the Iraq war and supports a withdrawal of troops, based on a timetable set in concert with the U.S. military and Iraqi government. He believes it could be done within 18 moths, as Gen. George Casey, commander of multi-national forces in Iraq, and Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri Maliki have suggested.” (Connecticut Post, 9/7/06)
But I am so confused…I got this email from Tom Swan this morning says something completely different (and yes, I signed up for Ned’s updates):
“He believes it’s high time for an immediate withdrawal of US troops from the front lines, allowing the Iraqi people to stand up and take control of their country and removing the US face from the occupation.” (Tom Swan email to campaign supporters, 9/7/06)
Apparently he is saying one thing to the media and his campaign is saying another thing to his supporters. Well, what can one expect from a guy who has become best buddies with John Kerry?
ccmask @ 115
…and here is tommy yum, stopping by just in time! Thanks tommy yum! Thanks Howie! and Thanks FDL!
Jane, I agree with your commentary except for one teensy detail:
No one, even Disney, accepts flushing $40 million down the toilet.
And that’s what they seem to be looking at. They’re not making any money on advertising. They might have made a few bucks by selling it to the BBC, but probably not a lot. They own half the channels on cable already – not much chance of profit there, I’d say. So how many DVDs are they going to sell? Sure, everyone on Tucker Carlson’s Christmas list is sure to get a copy, but how many other folks will feel like buying something that they’ve never seen on TV, assuming it’s not shown here on broadcast TV? Heck, Netflix might not even carry it given the demand.
I think this is an important point, because it’s a lot of money and they’re going to lose a significant chunk of it. No one wants to be the one to decide “We screwed this one up. Let’s eat the $40M.” Even more important, no one wants to be the one responsible for screwing this one up. There’s bound to be a lot of denial in the top floors of Disney HQ right now.
okay, I fixed the remaining stray italics. F5 or reload to see.
OK, here the names, titles and email addresses for a number of key senior Disney decision makers I found, starting at the top
with the CEO and board of directors are at the bottom.
Let’s make our voices heard and see if we can get these guys to pull this blatantly obvious Bush propaganda. ABC may profit from the predictable controversy but airing a film designed to obfuscate Bush’s responsibility for 9/11 will cause ABC to suffer greatly in the estimation of serious people.
Disney and ABC should leave the RNC propaganda to Fox, it’s not ABC’s demographic.
Robert Iger – CEO – robert.a.iger@disney.com
Rich Ross – President of Disney Channel Worldwide – rich.ross@disney.com
Sean Cocchia – VP/Business Development, Disney Channel Worldwide- sean.cocchia@disney.com
Gary Marsh – Disney Channel Worldwide President of Entertainment – gary.marsh@disney.com
Sarah Shelton – Assistant to Gary Marshsarah – shelton@disney.com
Scott Garner – SVP/Programming, Disney Channel – scott.garner@disney.com
Karen Myer – Assistant to Scott Garner – karen.myer@disney.com
Meredith Metz – Senior Vice President, Creative Affairs, Walt Disney Television Animation – meredith.metz@disney.com
Lisa Salamone – The Head of Animation Production, Disney Channel – lisa.salamone@disney.com
Joanna Spak – The Head of Finance, Planning, etc., Disney Channel – joanna.spak@disney.com
Mark Kenchelian – The Head of Business and Legal Affairs, Disney Channel -mark.kenchelian@disney.com
Jewell Engstrom – CFO and Executive VP for Disney-ABC Cable Group – jewell.engstrom@disney.com
Olivia Stafford – Assistant to Jewell Engstrom – olivia.stafford@disney.com
Albert Cheng – EVP/Digital Media, Disney-ABC Television Group – albert.cheng@disney.com
Karen Hobson – Digital Media Communications Office, Disney-ABC Television Group – karen.hobson@disney.com
George Bodenheimer – Co-Chairman Media Networks Group – george.bodenheimer@disney.com
Nicole Nichols – Senior VP of Entertainment Communications, Disney-ABC Television Group – nicole.nichols@disney.com
Aime Wolfe – Assistant to Nicole Nichols – aime.wolfe@disney.com
Patti McTeague – VP of Kids Communications – patti.mcteague@disney.com
Siobhan Kenny – Acting Head of International Communications – siobhan.kenny@disney.com
Paul Lee – ABC Family Channel – paul.lee@disney.com
Annie Fort – ABC Family Media Relations – annie.fort@disney.com
Alex Wallau – President of Network Operations & Administration – alex.wallau@disney.com
David Westin – ABC News President – david.westin@disney.com
Mike Shaw – ABC Sales and Marketing President – mike.shaw@disney.com
Fred Kuperberg – Disney/ABC Executive VP of Business and Legal Affairs – fred.kuperberg@disney.com
Kara Rousseau – VP of Ad Sales Marketing for Disney/ABC Kids Networks – kara.rousseau@disney.com
Kim Harbin – Buena Vista Media Relations – kim.harbin@disney.com
Anne Gates – Disney Consumer Products Executive VP & CFO – anne.gates@disney.com
James Fielding – Senior VP, Retail Sales and Marketing for DCP – james.fielding@disney.com
Deborah Dugan – President of Disney Publishing – deborah.dugan@disney.com
Graham Hopper – Senior VP and General Manager of Buena Vista Games – graham.hopper@disney.com
Angela Emery – Director of Public Relations, Buena Vista Games – angela.emery@disney.com
Chris Bess – Buena Vista Home Entertainment – chris.bess@disney.com
Peter Murphy – Senior Adviser to Mr. Iger – peter.murphy@disney.com
Judy Estrin – Board of Directors – jestrin@packetdesign.com
John Bryson – Board of Directors – john.bryson@edisonintl.com
Monica Lozano – Board of Directors – monica.lozano@laopinion.com
John Chen – Board of Directors – john.chen@sybase.com
Gary Wilson – Board of Directors – gary.wilson@nwa.com
Leo Odonova – Board of Directors – leo.odonovan@mbna.com
Thomas Staggs – CFO/Senior V.P. – tom.staggs@disney.com
David K. Thompson – Senior Vice President – David.
Sounds to me as if
ABC put way too much money into this piece of shit and realized eventually that is wasn’t worth much- so they decided to rescue the project by turning it into wingnuttery- this without much thought of the consequences. It’s pretty important that they get the shit kicked out of em for this arrogance.
Not only should we boycott advertisers for this propaganda we need to boyott ANY movie from here on out starring Harvey Keitel. Based on the scenes I have seen so far, there is no way for Keitel to claim that he was unaware of the willful inaccuracies of this propaganda piece. THe dialog he spouts make it crystal clear what this movie is about, and he didn’t quit and I’m sure he cashed the paycheck. Therefore he is a WILLING PARTICIPANT in the propaganda piece. I have been a longtime admirer of his since I saw ‘Mean Streets’ and ‘Taxi Driver’, however this is too much. I will no longer pay to see anything he is in from here on out.
Dru @ 119
My pleasure! It’s gratifying you like it.
No thread hijacking here. ;)
Cujo359 @ 120
That’s what makes Steve Jobs the real pressure point. He’s Disney’s single largest stockholder.
And I have to wonder what pressure George Mitchell, former Democratic Senate Majority Leader, is feeling from his compatriots. That appointment of Mitchell to Disney Board Chair, odd-seeming at the time, has some resonance now, eh?
Cujo359 @ 120
But I don’t think that’s how they see it; I think Disney sees this as a $40 million investment.
What have they been promised?
How ’bout if the Democratic half of the 9/11 Commission asks if the “Based on the 9/11 Commission Report” be dropped? Even Slade Gordon has called foul on a couple of the invented scenes
I didn’t lay eyes on it, but didn’t some blog have a leaked Disney internal memo saying something like “all the Clinton-bashing in the movie will be good for Disney”?
They think they can turn Hollywood into some kind of fucking Fox news. Got news for ya: “Passion of the Christ” is so 2004.
Somebody a few threads back, maybe Oilfieldguy, suggested doing our own movie about the path to 9/11. The reason why the Disney version is so fictionalized, I think, is that the truth would be absolutely devastating to the Republican party.
Here’s an outline of what I would expect in a truthful account of the path to 9/11. It’s based largely on my memory. I’m sure others here could add, refine, and edit, if there were interest.
* Bin Laden is behind the 1993 WTC bombing and the embassy bombings of 1998.
* Sep 2000: “Rebuilding America’s Defenses”, by the PNAC: “Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event — like a new Pearl Harbor.”
* 12 Oct 2000: The USS Cole is bombed.
* Bush, 12 Oct 2000: “I hope that the — we can gather enough intelligence to figure out who did the act and take the necessary action.” [I seem to recall another similar quote from Bush, between the attack and the election, but haven’t found it yet]
* It becomes increasingly clear by mid-November that al Qaeda was behind the Cole bombings.
* After Bush wins(sic) the 7 Nov 2000 election, Clinton and his staff urgently brief Bush and his staff on the threat.
* 25 Jan 2001: Most formally, Richard Clarke writes a memo, of which large excerpts should be read aloud. “We urgently need such a Principals level review on the al Qida network.” (emphasis in original)
…lots more testimony about how seriously the Bush administration took these warnings…
* 30 Apr 2001: A senior State Department official tells CNN the U.S. government made a mistake in focusing so much energy on bin Laden and “personalizing terrorism.” [source: CNN Inside politics]
* 29 May 2001: Bush administration gives a $43 million outright gift to the Taliban leaders of Afghanistan, earmarked for a campaign against poppy growers.
* 6 Aug 2001: President Bush receives a PDB: Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.
* 4 Sep 2001: the long-awaited Principals meeting requested by Clarke happens. Clarke sends a personal note: “are we serious about dealing with the al Qida threat? . . . Is al Qida a big deal? . . . Decision makers should imagine themselves on a future day when the CSG has not succeeded in stopping al Qida attacks and hundreds of Americans lay dead in several countries, including the US.”
* 9 Sep 2001: Intercepted satellite phone communication from Osama bin Laden to his stepmother in Syria: “In two days, you’re going to hear big news and you’re not going to hear from me for a while.” Similar calls to his mother in Saudi Arabia, and a call to his wife to return to Afghanistan.
* 10 Sep 2001: George H. W. Bush gives a speech at the Carlyle group annual investor conference, also attended by Osama bin Laden’s brother Shafig.
Then there’s the July 2006 New Yorker article by Lawrence Wright on the Cole bombing. There’s also lots of stuff to go through about what the FBI knew, but wasn’t passed through channels.
I sure hope the Big Dog and Madeleine Albright keep up the pressure from their ends — I think this is LIBEL. And Albright, especially, seems up to the task of suing (Big Dog has to think about Hillary… )
I still wish Big Dog would bitch slap ABC and Disney in a press conference, publicly SHAME them.
Posture @
22
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My understanding of this is that some ABC stations are actually owned by Disney, therefore are not “independent” and are obligated to show this farce. Other stations have local owners, such as KCRG in Cedar Rapids, so even if those stations carry the ABC lineup, they don’t necessarily have to show every single thing that’s fed to them. Still other stations are owned by other chains, for example Sinclair.
The uproar over the deceitful docudrama, “The Path to 9/11,” is indeed inspiring. But the mainstream media still have a lot to atone for, e.g., per Cenk Uygur at HuffPo:
Programming note…
Brian Williams will be discussing this on NBC Nightly News!
The Nefarious Leslie @ 127
Ding, ding, ding. There’s some kind of quid pro quo (legislation, deregulation) in it for them.
Hey Leslie, I don’t know if DL is on for tonight but I can’t make it … gotta work ’till 9 :(
This movie is going to show that Clinton should have gone to war like Bush has done. Meanwhile, lets go there for a minute:
How much did Clinton spend not finding Usama?
How much did Bush spend not finding Osama?
Judd Brown says:
September 7th, 2006 at 1:50 pm
I wait – the crickets chirp…
Also, wasn’t Clinton due to arrive at the WTC in the 93 bombing?
The Nefarious Leslie @ 2:50 pm (#127) – I don’t know how things go at Disney, but typically in an organization that size, with many different projects and facilities that all need attention, CEOs and other top managers just tell someone “handle this”. Do the top brass look at scripts, watch the dailies (film clips produced the previous day), or talk to the directors and designers about what they envision? Usually, that sort of stuff is done by an executive producer in TV and film. They, along with the director, are the ones who make decisions about the story and how it will be portrayed. Whoever that person (or persons) is/are in this case may be in serious trouble.
Or, if what you suspect is actually true, maybe not. In any event, it’s quite possible that this is just a project that got out of hand through lack of oversight or some other management flaw. Of course, I claim no insight into how things work at Disney, but I find it hard to believe that they’re that much different from the rest of corporate America.
Forty million dollars is a lot of money to lose, even at Disney. Gaining some nebulous future consideration in exchange for damaging Disney’s reputation seems to me to be a fool’s bargain.
john in sacramento @ 135
Bummer – but you gotta do what you gotta do. :(
Don’t have much to add that’s substantial (gotta run in a minute) but anyone ready for Tinfoil Hat Trivial Pursuit?
You may know or not, that the Madrid subway bombings were 911 days after 911.
Now, with that in mind, what date is 911 days after Madrid?
… Sep. 8, 2006
I don’t want Rumsfeld to leave. His being around is a progressive’s dream.
Katrina Vanden Heuvel does it right. Again:
http://www.thenation.com/blogs…..pid=118769
If this doesn’t air, it could be devastating to the Republican Party. They must have all pooled their campaign funds to get this baby off the ground. I’m sure we’ll be hearing from Coulter real soon.
Cujo359 @ 139
Normally, I might agree with you; but normally, this amount of controversy and negative publicity would get a response closer to that of CBS over the Reagan show.
Since Disney’s truculent response is abnormal and not, on its face, good business sense, I can’t help but wonder what hidden incentives they’ve been offered.
The CEO of the parent company will normally not get involved in routine business- only issues of long term financial significance. It is likely that the Disney people were only lightly briefed.
I also wonder if Showtime will show it, like they did the unaired Reagan movie. How much did Showtime pay for the Reagan movie?
All I can say is TGFMediaMatters and David Brock– watching him with Tucker is priceless.
Yeesh. The battle on the homefront continues. I got a rather snotty note from the curriculum director in response to my faxed letter wanting answers to the following questions before they would begin investigation into Scholastic’s materials on any of their campuses:
These questions are probably boilerplate, but the emailed letter as a whole was not.
Now I’m REALLY p*ssed off; I may have to run for school board.
The public mocking that Atrios is doing on his blog with the mouse-eared Rove is a brilliant idea. It kills 2 birds with one stone and avoids the opportunity for columnists to bitch about how vicious and uncivil we are.
I think we should keep to the humorous lapooning of all things disney and bring in some of the pics of the Board of Directors of disney, say, hanging out in Iraq or Afghanistan with a no-snitching T-Shirt on.
Americablog has the Dem Senate leadership letter to Disney. Holy shit,Disney folks must be having a stroke.
#127 – What have they been promised? Why, more media consolidation. More band width. More exclusive interviews. More tax deductions and corporate welfare (tax cuts). You name it.
Disney owns Jeb Bush and practically runs Florida.
mr. jobs:
9/11 does not equal 1984.
apple is above this partisan spittle.
do something.
The Nefarious Leslie @ 3:07 pm (#144)
The balance of arrogance, fear, and pragmatism will be different in the top management of different organizations. That balance affects how an organization reacts to its own foolishness. My original point here was that it’s quite possible that they’re still in denial, and damn likely based on my own experiences with corporate foolishness.
As I said before after editing my previous comment, that’s a lot of money to lose on a nebulous promise. Payoffs create their own dangers, and while it’s possible there were some, I doubt seriously that a guy who’s earning as much as the CEO of Disney can be bought when he’s already earning fabulous amounts of money legitimately. So, once again, we’d have a situation in which decisions made at a lower level that destroy the value of a project must be unmade at a higher level with serious consequences for those responsible.
drunkenhausfrau @ 131
Can’t disagree with that! Just wish Hillary Dogette would start shaming Bush for his war in Iraq and his lies. And most importantly, for me, call for a pullout from Iraq now. Won’t you please help bring our soldiers home, Senator?
Might be time to start sending Johnny Depp some love letters…ABC-Disney had their best summer ever because of Depp’s Pirates of the Carribbean franchise.
Hmm.
I agree with those hesistating to let Scholastic off the hook just yet. The media-literacy “teachable moment” goes way beyond just understanding the difference between a docudrama and a documentary. This thing isn’t Roots fer chrissakes.
The media-literacy teachable moment has to do with understanding the difference between a fact-based docudrama and an agenda-driven political hit piece. I’m not sure that meta-lesson will play on the Scholastic phonograph without destroying it (for those recognizing the metaphor, my Godel’s on a little tight today), since their association with the ABC project implies a certain level of endorsement.
SherAn @ 3:17 pm (#151) – All things of nebulous and dubious value, particularly in this environment. They also own a good deal of influence already, as the DMCA and other recent intellectual property acts have demonstrated.
On the other hand, they risk the brand name of their corporation being held up to ridicule and being devalued. Not to mention $40 million.
Rayne @ 148
Go ahead – do you really want someone like that influencing your kids’ education in any case?
(Ps. for those who wondered where I went the other day… well, it WAS 2 AM here at the time and I felt like getting at least a little sleep that day. If you drag out the Sven jokes though, I may just have to use the nuclear option and tell Texan jokes…)
ralphbon — you got that right. Scholastic is making new replacement materials available TOMORROW FRIDAY afternoon.
How the hell can a school system vet this in time before a discussion that might be held in class on MONDAY?
Lame.
T @ 17….if the CEO didn’t want this televised, it would NOT be televised. He’s just covering his bases possibly??
I truly want to see a boycott of Mickey/ABC if this is televised prior to the election. I’ve disliked Disney ever since I saw Bambi….bunch of sadists. And did you notice that all the Mothers in Disney films are dead or killed?
vachon @ 149
Americablog is doing outstanding work:
http://americablog.blogspot.co…..ickey.html
And the animated version:
http://americablog.blogspot.co…..movie.html
Mock them, indeed! LMSAO!!!!!
Rayne @ 3:24 pm (#158) – How the hell can a school system vet this in time before a discussion that might be held in class on MONDAY?
For a show that starts on SUNDAY. Presumably, students would have to watch this tripe in order to comment on it. Most of the materials I saw didn’t seem to assume that they had, but it’s quite possible that teachers will, and then they’ll figure out whether it was necessary when they’ve seen the new materials.
Advice Librarian — I’ve resisted running for office for a host of reasons, the biggest being the kids. I’d have hated having my parents holding office while I was in school; I’m likely to make things really rocky for my kids because I live in an exceptionally RED area in Michigan, and I’m an out-there progressive.
But this may just push my buttons a little too hard. I know there are folks on the other side of the spectrum, too, pushing for Intelligent Design and Creationism; I’ll bet I’m the only one pushing from the other end for reality-based factually-biased education.
Grrr…
Advice Librarian @ 157
LMAO!! Get ‘Em!!Not afraid of a little brinksmanship eh?
The Dem Senate leadership letter implies threat to ABC broadcast license.
Americablog has the letter
Am I missing something or did Harry Reid et al just threaten Disney with thermo-nuclear war.
Agh. OT — Katie has Armitage on CBS News tonight, in regards to l’affaire du Plame.
It’s always something.
4. Would you like to register a formal complaint about these materials using the appropriate form available to parents?
Rayne,
Don’t tell me you faile to use the appropriate form, for goodness sake.
Link to steves AmBlog thingy- letter:
http://americablog.blogspot.co…..atens.html
Patrick Kennedy @ 165
’bout time they had OUR back!
Cujo359 @
120
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It’s a soft money campaign contribution.
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Patrick Kennedy — REALLY???
WAHOO!!! Now THAT’S cojones, go right to the jugular and get their damned licensure for broadcasting!!!
Follow the cue, gang; call the ABC affiliate and Owned-Operated stations, threaten to demand evaluation and yanking of their FCC license.
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BTW: Doesn’t it seem odd there’s a bunch of crap about OBL in the news yet again? What impeccable timing – on the part of the propagandistes, or on OBL’s part. We need to take them BOTH out of play.
Bernie Ward does us proud, imho, on Tucker.
VG
Did you receive my glitch report today? If not, please email me and and I’ll re-send it.
Rayne
Absolutely, you gotta run for school board! And from there, for mayor! And from there, for Congress!
WE NEED YOU.
angie @ 3:36pm (#172)
Where?
Re: Ralph at 130 (and I haven’t read all comments yet)
Excuse me, but if there is a timeline to follow, it has to go back as far as Reagan if not Carter. Consult Overthrow by Stephen Kinzer to see when the US began supporting those in Afghanistan (Via PAKISTAN, who controlled all the US money, assisted dollar for dollar by the Saudis)would later become those who the US opposes now.
(Sorry I am poor on recall)
Cujo– MSNBC.
The Dufus-in-Chief, speaking to Katie Couric about the meaning of 9/11
BUSH: Well, it reminded me that – that we’re in– we’re in a – a– a major struggle with extremists. You know, when you really think about why would somebody kill 3,000 Americans? And the – I – I thought that, the more I learned, the more I realized that this is an enemy that – is bound by ideology and has got desires. They wanna drive us out of the region. They wanna establish a caliphate, which is like a Muslim, you know, empire.
And I realized the struggle was more than just defeating an al-Qaeda. It is really an ideological war between extremism and moderation and reasonableness. And it’s been a – it was a profound moment. It was – but – but I – I say that. But it was no more profound than the– the thousands of our citizens who lost a loved one. And so the – September the 11th is gonna be a sad moment, a day of remembrance and a day of commitment.
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The rhetorical equivalent of drooling. What a babbling idiot.
Jane, I work with copyright issues for a major university, and let me tell you, people are always astonished when I explain that Disney is the primary reason the public domain period is continually rolled back by congress. This needs to be changed, regardless of whether the Mouse airs their Right Wing Propaganda film; the free exchange of ideas demands it. Frankly, this little exercise in mind control from Rove’s flying monkeys may be the thing that tips the election our way. People, contrary to what that fat fuck in the little office down the hall from Commander Bunnypants thinks, are NOT stupid. People are going to hear about the lies in this movie, watch it, think, “Damn, they’re right. This is nothing but propaganda!”, and kick the Mickey Mouse Republicans out on the street come election day. Keep up the pressure folks!
BobbyG @ 171
It would need to be, to make it down the toilet.
Posture @ 22,
i’m sure you’ve learned this elsewhere, but randy the news director is playing wordgames with you.
networks have a certain number of O&O’d stations — stations that are Owned and Operated by the networks. (used to be limited to five per network, back when we had some semblance of a regulatory environment.)
an affiliate that is NOT O&O is, by definition, independent of the network, and can make programming decisions that, by gosh, the network might not like.
without knowing which market you are, my guess is the station randy works for is NOT owned by Disney/ABC. Otherwise he would have told you already of that status.
new thread
Rayne @ 162
Well, the question you could ask yourself is if you want your kids embarrased and educated, or happy and believing ID is science?
That’s a bit of a leading statement and a misframing of the issue in the worst way on my part- it’s not neccesarily up to you, and if you enlist the kids they probably won’t care that you’re somewhat controversial locally.
*cough*
“Mommy’s going off to smack down some stupid people – wanna help?”
Besides, you can always go for the Cool Biker Mom image and give your kids street cred for having the mom who verbally beat up the Principal in public…
(And no, Bustedknucles, not afraid at all – though I should say that it’s all fun and games telling Texan jokes until someone elects one for President…)
Old Sow @ 175
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Read Steve Coll’s “Ghost Wars” – yep, Reagan. Y’know why the terrists ‘r so good at them IEDs? Reagan’s CIA (under CIA head Bill Casey at the time) taught them all manner of terrorist tactics, including IED construction and deployment.
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Is anyone looking at wingnut blogs for what they will do if Disney pulls the show? I don’t think Disney cares if the moonbats threaten economic harm but they are scared witless if Limpdick, Dobson or the hate spewing mega-church preachers talk boycott. The self-important,obnoxious Disney execs who were patting themselves on the back about how clever they were, are now looking for a hole to climb in.
Hi Bobby, thanks for the backup, and nice to meet you here.
So I don’t know why edit function wrt underline isn’t working. Preview shows it.
As of close of business today the market cap of DIS is $61.6 B
$40M cost net of tax is about $27 M. If I were cynical, I’d say that the executives of Disney probably spilled that much scots liquor last year.
The value (market cap) of a business is the present value of the operating and liquidating dividends.
This expenditure represents 0.04% of DIS market cap.
From the point of view of the business as a whole, this is not material, and any business lawyer can tell you that Boards of Directors have wide latitude under the business judgment rules to make business decisions.
The broader potential effect is negative publicity around the Disney name.
If you want to target these guys, go for the valuable intangible asset – the Disney name.
Tee-Shirt Slogans?
Mickocchio
Mickey Lies
Don’t Trust Mickey
It doesn’t make sense that this was a low-level production decision. No network makes a project at this cost to run COMMERCIAL free without serious discussion at the top, in my opinion.
angie @ 169
I think someone just had a grapefruit smashed in their face!
Comin’ from you, Bustednuckles– yay!!!
smashing is fun.
windje @ 3:48 pm (#185) – $40M cost net of tax is about $27 M. If I were cynical, I’d say that the executives of Disney probably spilled that much scots liquor last year.
If I were cynical, I’d say that’s the salary and benefits of one CEO. Since I’m not, I’ll say it’s the salary and benefits of several hundred professional employees.
Either way, it’s a lot of money to lose, even for Disney. It’s not one monolithic organization. It’s made up of many departments, all of which would probably see a $40 million loss as a big deal.
I agree, though, that the damage to their brand is at least as much of a problem for them.
I hope John knows that he’s going to be getting a big fat lawsuit thrown at him.
This is from the dem Senate letter to Disney posted on Americablog:
Great letter but funny how things come back to bite you in the ass. If the 911 commission hadn’t capitulated to GOP demands to thwart the public from seeing the ENTIRE commission report in order to afford Bush a smokescreen for his lies in the 04 campaign, a lot of this mispresentation/confusion would never have seen the light of day.
This is what happens when you let something like the freakin’ 911 Commission report be politicized!
Cujo359 @
193
The potential damage to the brand potentially is much bigger – a 1% effect would be more than 1/2 Billion in market cap. (.01 times $61.6 Billion) which is a whole lot more than $27M after tax.
New thread?. Sure Joe, whatever you say.
And John A. concludes with this:
Again, the Commission let itself be abused and used in the first place and it’s a crying shame. Now, hopefully the truth will out.
windje @ 4:02 pm (#196) – The potential damage to the brand potentially is much bigger – a 1% effect would be more than 1/2 Billion in market cap. (.01 times $61.6 Billion) which is a whole lot more than $27M after tax.
But, it could be nothing at all. In any case, brand name devaluation is very difficult to quantify, even in retrospect. Right now, they’re looking at a big loss for a turkey of a production. The maximum value of that loss, while considerably less than what they could lose from brand name damage, is known.
I’m talking as much or more about the power of rationalization as I am about any actual financial issues. Disney will survive this, unless they do something egregiously stupid. It’s the fate of some executives and/or managers that may be in question. That’s what all the fuss and denial will be about.
Jenny from the Blog @ 4:05 pm (#198) – Again, the Commission let itself be abused and used in the first place and it’s a crying shame. Now, hopefully the truth will out.
Amen to that.
Thank you so much for responding, Cujo. I was starting to think I was invisible. :)
WOW, that letter from Senate dems is dynamite. Yikes. Oh please, I hope they back this up.
It’s simple all we have to do is go after the broadcast licenses.
Losing their licenses takes away the printing presses that makes the money stream.
“And what they really don’t need is bloggers organizing to roll back their draconian copyright protection legislation in retribution, esp. with a bunch of legislators already softened up and prone to be compliant.”
The hell you say! ABC could run weekly specials of Ann Coulter giving Al Gore head on prime time and I’d still be in favor of rolling back the “disneyesque” copyright laws.
Actually strike that. Even the back of Ann Coulter’s head on TV is too much Ann Coulter.
The fate of the free world doesn’t hang on copyright laws, the way it does on Net Neutrality, but if anyone starts a push to roll back the insanely long terms of copyrights, I’ll be right there, calling Hoyer’s and Mikulski’s and (Senator to be named later)’s offices, just the way I called them a whole buncha times over net neutrality.
I can’t even explain why this one sticks in my craw so much, but it sure does. I generally save my energy for stuff that matters more, but this is one non-earthshaking issue I’ll make an exception for.
Holy shit! That’s it!
Disney is doing this to BRIBE the GOP to let them keep their Mickey Mouse copyright FOREVER!
What a bunch of worthless shits!
I wonder what’ Steve Jobs’ (of Apple, Pixar, and now Disney) thinks of all this. How would he feel about a boycott of Pixar and Apple.
A nice little history regarding the media and corporations plus one about our old buddy, Jack Welch.
SherAn @ 87
I couldn’t agree more. The kids they brainwash will become putty in Rove’s hands by the time they’re 18. Before that they’ll have turned in their liberal parents for reprogramming.
Many of us have been sending emails to Scholastic Communications. Officially at least they welcome comments at: news@scholastic.com.
FWIW, I opened by telling them them that if (as reported) their mission is to spur debate on whether the media hurts our national security, they couldn’t have found a better fit for Bush’s frame. On 9/5 he implied the critical U.S. news media are an al Qaeda tool.
Not clear how if at all Scholastic means to clean up its act, but a deluge wouldn’t hurt.
bush is not a texan @ 203
Us and what FCC?
The stated question is: “Where do we go from here?” But the first question should be: “Where do they go from here?” We have also shown them our nearly best counterattack. They will, of course, shore up their defenses and retreat from indefensible positions. Come 9/10 and 9/11 we will now face a much more formidible foe. The option of a stunning surprise counterstrike, where all of their nonsesenical lie exposed has been lost. Too bad, so sad. ;-)
The loss of that opportunity came from a much bigger gain, the eagerness and competence of our own forces in conducting a coordinated attack. The response within hours to this alarm going out was stunningly wonderful.
When I read about Scholastic here on Sunday night, I contacted a friend who is an official of the California Teachers Association. He said that he had calls coming in all day on Monday (Labor day). Eventually, I tipped MediaMatters.org about Scholastic — they were already on the ABC stuff. The next day they were on that too, probably due to multiple tips, many of which preceded mine.
In addition to MediaMatters, many others (especially Sheldon Rampton) were pulling together the details for documenting the errors in “The Path to 9/11.” This is wonderful stuff.
Just now, I turned off a Fox News interview of Gordon Liddy. The theme was “See how the mainstream media caves to pressure from the left.” Sigh!!!
ralphbon @ 157
I like the idea of a media literacy course. My doubts: Is Scholastic sweetening the lemon here? I am not sure it is wise to give kids a media literacy crash course using exemplars that are probably basically polemic/& or propaganda. It’s an issue that that has essentially split this country, and we’re inundated with polemic.I’d rather see a literacy course like pick an “historical movie” , e.g., the Man in the Iron Mask or Richard III, and list the differences between that and the account given in a reasonably well-sourced history (library exercise dependant on grade reading levels.) Or this could be used for something more contemporary events as well. But 9/11?
I’m still worried that getting in a wad about this movie is like getting lost going after the swift boaters – a diversion from the attack on Bush’s attempt to weld the War on Terror and the War in Iraq together. On the fence voters won’t be swayed by a Disney docudrama, but they really might listen to Bush’s speeches that are pouring out daily. Have at Disney if you must, but don’t forget “Dizzy” George. They’ve pulled this off before, driving their critics nuts and driving their message home.
Rayne @ 149
This reminds me. It is probably counterproductive to threaten Scholastic with anything that can be regarded as censorship. You probably will not see any library associations getting involved partly because of the dreaded “c” word, and nor should they. I’d rather intimate my shaky trust in the quality of their titles as a consumer or someone who has input in purchases. The “formal complaint” is the burocrtic device also used by librarians to ward off parents foaming at the mouth about titles like “My two daddies.”
Great post. The Disney folks have managed to skew the copyright laws their way for years. A Dem congress could reverse what they’ve won from the repugs, with little or no objection from the Dems. Dems should make it clear that if this piece of garbage goes forward, Disney can look forward to reversal of all the favorable copyright legislation they’ve had in past years. That would mean, inter alia, that Mickey is in the public domain from here on in.
Okay, guys and gals, let’s get real here. The 9-11 commission report is bullshit. The commission members suffer terminal conflict of interest issues. This ABC thing? Is this a classic limited hangout? Dish up a flagrantly foul representation of 9-11 to help legitimize the already flagrantly foul representation of the 9-11 Commission? Getting the foul stink of Disney off 9-11 is great and necessary. Getting the foul stink of the 9-11 Commission off the truth is a job yet unfinished.
Don’t pat yourselves on the back too much on this one, liberal bloggers, the 9-11 waters are still muddy with the blood of thousands of innocents. Where’s the blogger hue and cry for a new investigation based on the dozens of questions and anomalies never addressed? The evidence not explored? Able Danger, eg.
T- @
17
At this exact moment, I don’t give a shit.
This gift he’s underwriting to the conservative right-giving lies the appearance of truth-is not something that can be washed away with some $2100 checks.
bdu @
93
Take a look at:
http://www.thespotlightproject.org/spotlight.php