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		<title>By: Margot</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/07/sure-joe-whatever-you-say/#comment-283218</link>
		<dc:creator>Margot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2006 02:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-282955&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Florida Mom @&lt;br /&gt;
                175              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-282898&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Shez @                 121              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;And, has anyone started a major campaign yet to boycott sending their kids to school on Monday  &amp; Tuesday to avoid the &lt;em&gt;Path to Propaganda &lt;/em&gt;movie lesson plans?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I fricking love this site. Excellent point Shez.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I called the school today, they had no idea what I was talking about. Called the school board, same thing.&lt;br /&gt;
Might just do it to make a point. Thanks you guys!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-282898"><em>Shez @                 121              </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>And, has anyone started a major campaign yet to boycott sending their kids to school on Monday  &amp; Tuesday to avoid the <em>Path to Propaganda </em>movie lesson plans?</p>
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<p>I fricking love this site. Excellent point Shez.</p>
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<p>I called the school today, they had no idea what I was talking about. Called the school board, same thing.<br />
Might just do it to make a point. Thanks you guys!</p>
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		<title>By: Oklahoma kiddo</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/07/sure-joe-whatever-you-say/#comment-283122</link>
		<dc:creator>Oklahoma kiddo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2006 01:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-283069&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;seepeesate @ 277 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-283062&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Oklahoma kiddo @ 271&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;If deferments were eliminated, except for medical reasons and very narrow certain other reasons, then the draft is not a form of slavery.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;How so? According to my dictionary, slavery is “The state of one bound in servitude as the property of a slaveholder or household.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When you are in the military, whether drafted or not, you are literally the property of the government.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If one chooses to enlist, then that person assumes responsibility for awareness of what will be required. “Chooses” or choice is the functional word(s). “Chooses” is what makes it not slavery. A draft, IF evenly, properly and fairly applied is not slavery. “Evenly, properly, and fairly applied” without regard to race, religion, gender, social, economic, political, or ethnic considerations, if strictly enforced, make it thus (not slavery). Utilitarian duty perhaps. Slavery? No.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-283069"><em>seepeesate @ 277 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-283062"><em>Oklahoma kiddo @ 271</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>If deferments were eliminated, except for medical reasons and very narrow certain other reasons, then the draft is not a form of slavery.</p>
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<p>How so? According to my dictionary, slavery is “The state of one bound in servitude as the property of a slaveholder or household.”</p>
<p>When you are in the military, whether drafted or not, you are literally the property of the government.</p>
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<p>If one chooses to enlist, then that person assumes responsibility for awareness of what will be required. “Chooses” or choice is the functional word(s). “Chooses” is what makes it not slavery. A draft, IF evenly, properly and fairly applied is not slavery. “Evenly, properly, and fairly applied” without regard to race, religion, gender, social, economic, political, or ethnic considerations, if strictly enforced, make it thus (not slavery). Utilitarian duty perhaps. Slavery? No.</p>
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		<title>By: juslin</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/07/sure-joe-whatever-you-say/#comment-283095</link>
		<dc:creator>juslin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2006 01:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;tho i live in jersey i’m pulling for ned lamont to send slo-joe packing on his merry way! it seems he’s the new darling of the repugs so if he had any integrity he’d leave dems and be what he really is - a repug!! GO NED LAMONT!!!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tho i live in jersey i’m pulling for ned lamont to send slo-joe packing on his merry way! it seems he’s the new darling of the repugs so if he had any integrity he’d leave dems and be what he really is &#8211; a repug!! GO NED LAMONT!!!</p>
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		<title>By: seepeesate</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/07/sure-joe-whatever-you-say/#comment-283091</link>
		<dc:creator>seepeesate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2006 01:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-283075&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;GSD @&lt;br /&gt;
                283              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Slavery was the bedrock of the Southern economy, to argue that it was a ’side issue’ is just historically bogus, unless you are Trent Lott’s personal historian.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Oh, I agree with you! I was trying to make a very narrow point (to avoid the exact morass I stepped into), and did it badly. Once again, I wish I were half as well-spoken as most of the commenters here.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-283075"><em>GSD @<br />
                283              </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Slavery was the bedrock of the Southern economy, to argue that it was a ’side issue’ is just historically bogus, unless you are Trent Lott’s personal historian.</p>
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<p>Oh, I agree with you! I was trying to make a very narrow point (to avoid the exact morass I stepped into), and did it badly. Once again, I wish I were half as well-spoken as most of the commenters here.</p>
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		<title>By: *atou</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/07/sure-joe-whatever-you-say/#comment-283089</link>
		<dc:creator>*atou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2006 01:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-282939&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;-ck- @&lt;br /&gt;
                161              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-282931&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;*ilson46201 @ 153&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-282923&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;ccmask @ 144&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I can’t wait until all the blogs start pushing for paper trails &amp; voting.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;by now, that seems to be conventional wisdom — do you know of any blogs that oppose it ?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In the recent Denver primary election, they had new Sequoia Touchscreen with Paper Trail voting machines — very cool units, and are just what the doctor ordered. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now, if we can just secure the vote tabulation software, which is the biggest vulnerability.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I would slam on the breaks for any electronic voting unless a large number of real computer scientists signed off on their tamper-proofness.  Voting software with a flawed architecture is worse than none at all.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-282939"><em>-ck- @<br />
                161              </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-282931"><em>*ilson46201 @ 153</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-282923"><em>ccmask @ 144</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>I can’t wait until all the blogs start pushing for paper trails &amp; voting.</p>
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<p>by now, that seems to be conventional wisdom — do you know of any blogs that oppose it ?</p>
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<p>In the recent Denver primary election, they had new Sequoia Touchscreen with Paper Trail voting machines — very cool units, and are just what the doctor ordered. </p>
<p>Now, if we can just secure the vote tabulation software, which is the biggest vulnerability.</p>
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<p>I would slam on the breaks for any electronic voting unless a large number of real computer scientists signed off on their tamper-proofness.  Voting software with a flawed architecture is worse than none at all.</p>
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		<title>By: HopeSpringsATurtle</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/07/sure-joe-whatever-you-say/#comment-283085</link>
		<dc:creator>HopeSpringsATurtle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2006 01:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-282776&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Robert Paehlke @ 20 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Is there some way to kick in $ to Vote Vets so they can run that again? It says what needs to be said.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Haven’t read the whole thread yet but on Vot Vets homepage and also IAVA homepage you can contribute to individuals or the group.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Vote Vets: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.votevets.org/&quot;&gt;http://www.votevets.org/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;IAVA: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.iava.org/index.php&quot;&gt;http://www.iava.org/index.php&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-282776"><em>Robert Paehlke @ 20 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Is there some way to kick in $ to Vote Vets so they can run that again? It says what needs to be said.</p>
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<p>Haven’t read the whole thread yet but on Vot Vets homepage and also IAVA homepage you can contribute to individuals or the group.</p>
<p>Vote Vets: <a href="http://www.votevets.org/">http://www.votevets.org/</a></p>
<p>IAVA: <a href="http://www.iava.org/index.php">http://www.iava.org/index.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mary4</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2006 01:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;scarecrow LOL&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m having to backtrack.  Apparently Stroebel did ask him (I love Rozen’s blog).  Armitage says he called Fitzgerald Tues for permission - I would guess in connection with the book bits dribbling out.  I wonder why he didn’t ask in Feb though? Oh well.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;EW should get paid a personal trainer’s fee for all her time spent jogging their memories.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>scarecrow LOL</p>
<p>I’m having to backtrack.  Apparently Stroebel did ask him (I love Rozen’s blog).  Armitage says he called Fitzgerald Tues for permission &#8211; I would guess in connection with the book bits dribbling out.  I wonder why he didn’t ask in Feb though? Oh well.</p>
<p>EW should get paid a personal trainer’s fee for all her time spent jogging their memories.</p>
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		<title>By: scarecrow</title>
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		<dc:creator>scarecrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2006 01:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-283072&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Mary4 @ 279&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Armitage talking - &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What is the deal with the timing?  Supposedly he got his “letter” in Feb.  He didn’t start talking then, though.  When was he told he could talk, I wonder?  No one seems to ask that.  If he was told Feb, why nothing till now?  Did he ask for a chance to tell “his side” with the book coming out?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s not a big question, but I wonder why people don’t nail down details in the questioning.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Novak recently told him it was “high time” to reveal himself, and Corn and friend led the way.  So he called Marcy, and she released him. ;)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-283072"><em>Mary4 @ 279</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Armitage talking &#8211; </p>
<p>What is the deal with the timing?  Supposedly he got his “letter” in Feb.  He didn’t start talking then, though.  When was he told he could talk, I wonder?  No one seems to ask that.  If he was told Feb, why nothing till now?  Did he ask for a chance to tell “his side” with the book coming out?</p>
<p>It’s not a big question, but I wonder why people don’t nail down details in the questioning.</p>
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<p>Novak recently told him it was “high time” to reveal himself, and Corn and friend led the way.  So he called Marcy, and she released him. ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Eureka Springs, AR</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eureka Springs, AR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2006 01:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-283070&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;scarecrow @ 277&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Anyone else have a large block obscuring #261 and part of #262?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It happens to me every time a thread hits that number.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-283070"><em>scarecrow @ 277</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Anyone else have a large block obscuring #261 and part of #262?</p>
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<p>It happens to me every time a thread hits that number.</p>
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		<title>By: GSD</title>
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		<dc:creator>GSD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2006 01:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Seep,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I didn’t mean to be too smarmy, but that very argument always lights me up. Slavery was the bedrock of the Southern economy, to argue that it was a ’side issue’ is just historically bogus, unless you are Trent Lott’s personal historian.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Great news to hear that the Disney folks are feeling the heat.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Fuck Wahlberg, Stephen Root and the Bad Lieutenant, Keitel too.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I will jeer them if I ever see them in public.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;-GSD&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seep,</p>
<p>I didn’t mean to be too smarmy, but that very argument always lights me up. Slavery was the bedrock of the Southern economy, to argue that it was a ’side issue’ is just historically bogus, unless you are Trent Lott’s personal historian.</p>
<p>Great news to hear that the Disney folks are feeling the heat.</p>
<p>Fuck Wahlberg, Stephen Root and the Bad Lieutenant, Keitel too.</p>
<p>I will jeer them if I ever see them in public.</p>
<p>-GSD</p>
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