Login HereI don't quite know what Joe Lieberman or his proxies -- GOP operatives like Dan Senor and his shadowy Veterans for Truth 527 -- think they have to gain by reminding people of Joe's bungled war, but somehow they believe it's a good idea to do so. Their ads, featuring veterans thanking Joe for putting them in harm's way (while his own kids sit safely back home) began running yesterday.
Lieberman claims no association with Senor's group, but sources say that Steve Rattner -- who has been raising funds for the Lieberman campaign -- is telling people that if they have maxed out to Lieberman, they can still give money to Senor. Sounds kinda cozy.
The bellicose, non-serving, deferment-laden millionaire junior Senator from the Lieberman for Lieberman party will not denounce these efforts by Republicans to swift boat Ned Lamont, according to the successor to the muzzled Dan Gerstein, Tammy Sun (affectionately known as "the Sunster"). If not, then I'm sure they'll have a nice, big tall glass of STFU when they see the new ad running in Connecticut papers by the veteran's group, VoteVets:
We Pledged Our Lives to Protect America's Freedom
When we were called to serve in Iraq, we did not ask questions.
We kissed our families good-bye and went to do our duty.
But when it comes to war, we all depend on our elected leaders to do their duty...and to ask our government tough questions.
What is our military mission in Iraq?
Where are those weapon of mass destruction?
Why were our American troops sent to Iraq without the proper equipment?
When will the victory come?
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2 in one day? I feel it in the force!
NED !
A mere lurker getting in at #3. How about that.
Have-it-both-ways-Joe keeps whining about the fact that he is a Democrat. If so, why is he allowing Republicans to use him like a cheap tool?
A rhetorical question. Cheap tool is as cheap tool does.
It walks like a GOoper
It Talks like a GOoper
ergo..
but we knew that
Because he’s their cheap tool, that’s why!
i miss [dangerstein]
TeddySanFran @ 6
I’ll never look at a particularly dashing mug of beer without thinking wistfully of those bygone days…
Counterpunching the swiftboaters is going to be a full time gig for the next two months. Good for the VoteVets! A reality gut check to the opposition!
OT - but I just saw this at TPMmuckraker:
Those calls paid off!
As if ex-CPA Iraq $hill dan senor needs the money.
http://www.LiebermanForLieberman.com
for the blog-minded: http://www.BlogofJoe.com
not to be confused with http://www.BlogJoe2006.com !
http://www.journalinquirer.com.....#038;rfi=6
~~ A group of 11 military veterans from Connecticut who support Democratic senatorial candidate Ned Lamont demanded Wednesday that U.S. Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman “denounce” television commercials produced on his behalf by a Virginia-based organization with ties to former Bush administration figures, Vets for Freedom.
But Lieberman’s campaign spokesman, Dan Gerstein, said today that the three-term incumbent now running as an independent was “proud to have the support.”
“Only the Lamont campaign could turn a positive expression of support like that into something sinister,” he added.~~
http://www.courant.com/news/lo.....ines-local
~~~The ad seems innocuous enough: Four Connecticut veterans appear on the screen to thank Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman for his support of the war in Iraq.
But Democratic Senate nominee Ned Lamont’s campaign Wednesday compared the new television spot to the notorious “swift boat” ads that smeared John Kerry during the 2004 presidential campaign.
Lamont campaign chairman George Jepsen said the content of the ad is less noteworthy than the identity of the group behind it: Vets for Freedom, which is advised by former aides to Lieberman and President Bush.
“What this shows is the extent to which, once again, the Bush administration and the far right are backing the Lieberman candidacy,” Jepsen said.~~~
“…I’m sure they’ll have a nice, big tall glass of STFU…”
Based on the babblin’ I’m hearing from CT, I guess Joe must have fallen off the wagon, doncha think? *g*
Lieberman never served in the military. He’s another ‘Nam deferment dandy. I’d just like to see him take a stroll outside the green zone in Iraq and have a whiff of the stink of death he helps promote.
Well, I could not contain my curiosity and I finally managed to pay joe2006.com a little visit today.
Unf*cking real. The juvenile blog, I mean. Whoever is running this campaign (Hadassah?) really does not have a clue.
God almighty, Jane. That was a good post. Just before I came here, I was on YouTube, watching all the Ned Lamont Commercials, so I’d just seen the one posted above. I watched it again here, because it was so well done.
It’s a poor craftsman who blames the tool………..
many American families are sending their 19yo kids off to fight in Iraq or Afghanistan. The Liebermans just sent their 19yo off to Israel for a year of study ! None of their 3 older kids ever served in the military either…
Is there some way to kick in $ to Vote Vets so they can run that again? It says what needs to be said.
Moderator can you do some cleanup two threads back “from the” at the 175. and beyond. Thanks
OT *ilson- special message re: spam for you in mod.
Dangerstein and Tammy Sunyungmoon and fraudulent pollsters - only the Lieberman crew.
OT - courtesy of Talkleft - text of letter to Specter about the surveillance issues.
How does Feingold do it?
Look at the signatures. Sunnunu, Salazar — I know Feingold isn’t claiming this as “his” but, you know he’s been point man.
According to Dana Milbank, there’s a Lieberman Caucus protecting their lad from the other Senate Dems during lunchtime in the caf:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....01808.html
I guess we know who’s next!
OS- can’t find. Title of thread?
*ilson46201 @ 19
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2,662. It’s a number. Just a number. The number of non-Lieberman family U.S. troops killed in George W. Bush’s Iraq to date.
19,688. It’s a number. Just a number. The number of non-Lieberman family U.S. troops wounded in George W. Bush’s Iraq to date.
0. It’s a number. Just a number. The number of non-Lieberman family U.S. troops killed or wounded in George W. Bush’s Iraq to date by Saddam’s WMD.
http://www.bgladd.com/Just_a_Number.jpg
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Old Sow @ 21
Yes, indeed. more than one. Old Sow, that was right public spirited of you. These people don’t want to engage in debate. They want to throw rocks. I think I’ll make it a practice to go through the archives from time to time. A lot of people come here to read the discourse. If they see that crap, they’ll leave and miss the real discussion.
After everybody leaves, Lindy. Cowards.
Valley Girl @ 25
VG, http://www.firedoglake.com/200.....sed-to-it/
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09.....r=homepage
Armitage admits involvement. Did this get here yet?
Why is he allowing Republicans to use him like a cheap tool?
Cheap tools will get yer Knuckles busted.
tommy yum @ 28
Yes, indeed.
*ilson46201 @
19
More accurately, many Afro American and Latino families are sending their kids off to fight in iraq. In bad economies, enlisting in the military is about the only “decent” employment available. Gee, you think that might be a factor in the neocons willful destruction of the middle class? Is it truly a volunteer army if there are few other options for the volunteers?
Just wondering…
Tammy Sunster was no doubt here…
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/32630
Let’s see, just what fits Joe the best?
Fumbling Joe?
Stumbling Joe?
Mumbling Joe?
Grumbling Joe?
As this is a multiple choice quiz, you may choose one or more answers. *g*
helina handbasket @ 33
No doubt there are a lot of minority kids enlisting, but just fyi, this economy hasn’t been good for Anglo families either, and I know a bunch whose kids have joined up. Just sayin’.
I don’t see Senator Clinton’s daughter shipping out for Iraq.
VG :From the dept of we’re not going away
When is the “Holy Joe is such a NICE man” facade going to fall by the wayside and disappear? Are the Independents in Connecticut “independent” because they don’t like either party or because they simply don’t have any convictions? It’s hard to understand how Joe’s supposed 90% pro-Democratic voting record can translate into votes from abortion-hating, war-loving, stem-cell adopting Republicans. As for so-called “independents,” PLEASE get a life and see Joe for the egotistical, self-serving, pander-master he has become. He will NOT represent YOU in the Senate. He will represent whatever is best for JOE! And that includes kissing Bush’s behind and selling out our brave soldiers so that he won’t ever have to admit he was WRONG about supporting Bush’s illegal and immoral war!
OS- okay I got it!!!!! Omigod!!! One of those I have not seen the like of before. The second, ordinary troll stuff!!!! Thanks much. Heads up like yours are always MUCH appreciated!!!!!!
This hits so close to home…today, one of our most beloved teachers found out that her future son-in-law is dying of brain cancer. He is ust 21 years old and had been serving in Iraq for a little over a year. Personally, I believe this has to do with depleted uranium, but I’m sure the truth will never be told. And so life goes on for the Joe Liebermans of the world who refuse to own up to their scandalous votes to go to war. But more than that Joe and his cohorts in crime refuse to admit the error of their ways. For shame!!
AAAAAHHHHHH, abaraka moderator! (blessings)
When is the “Holy Joe is such a NICE man” facade going to fall by the wayside and disappear?
Probably about the same time as “John McCain is such a maverick straight-shooter”…
Eli @ 43
OK, so we have about 8 years to go…
The Nefarious Leslie @
36
Agreed. Still, percentage wise, in relationship to population, the military contains a much higher proportion of minorities.
Jenny from the Blog @ 44
Alas, this is what I’m afraid of. The media really hates to change out their narratives once they’re installed.
for that matter — Jenna and not-Jenna still aren’t in the military or any of their cousins.
An entire generation of Bush chickenhawks…
Start the draft. That’ll stop little tin-horn cowboy demagogues from starting their little wars. If this is such a righteous war (Iraq) why aren’t the Bush twins in the Baghdad?
Tommy Yum–that aw yeah, from earlier, you don’t listen to the dreaded GB do you? LOL
Bookwoman @ 41
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Unlikely to the point of nil. Mutagenic/carcinogenic effects of rad toxins like uranium by-products take many, many years to occur.
Not that depleted U isn’t toxic, long-term.
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Well, *ilson @ 19, his son has got to study the politics and keep his seat safe for the future:
‘blah, blah, blah, son of the nice, great and patriotic amurkin Joe Lieberman– champion of war without end but who couldn’t give a crap about women and children or regular Americans is going to School. He is yer future leader!
(Plus they got a speech coach somewhere who can get the warble war cry jest right!)
oh and cluster bombs are da bomb!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 48
It’s a catch-22, though. If *Democrats* are responsible for reinstating the draft, they’ll end up taking the blame for it instead of the Republicans who made it necessary (but refused to admit it).
Bobby G, But DU is not just toxic on radiation, it’s toxic on airborn Heavy Metals.
Lieberman - *I get along with people, that’s why I support cluster bombing civilian targets*
Eli @ 52
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The Bushies would outsource the boots-on-the-ground thingy to 3rd world mercenaries first. There is ZERO political stomach in the U.S. for conscription.
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BobbyG- you forgot to mention that you are a statistician, so I will do so. And, Bookwoman, the story you relate is so very sad. Hit me in the gut, it did.
According to a Kos Diary, a law firm is pulling ABC ads for 7 days!
God i love that VoteVets rebuttal ad…. very powerful. hope they use that ad (or something similar) in other close house/senate races. Would make an awesome tv ad …. paging moveon.org!
Couldn’t drop in earlier, and don’t have time to read comments, so I’m assuming you know all about Joe’s indicted pollster, eh? Fraudulent results for Joe and King George (yet another sickening way that they’re joined at the hip) included telling poll staff to “include cats and dogs in the polling” to get the results they wanted.
[Believe you me, our pupster would give any pollster an earful about Georgie AND Joe. We are proud human caretakers of a smart Demo-Dog! Tandy knows a scurrilous, untrustworthy cur when she meets one!]
On the off-chance anyone doesn’t know about the indictment of the pollster, here’s the link:
http://news.aol.com/elections/.....3409990001
Old Sow @ 53
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Agreed, but, again, mutagenasis leading to malignancy is a slow process.
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Mary4- are you still reading? Has anything changed in the last 24 hrs. re: laptop posting? If you haven’t used your laptop in the last 24 hrs, please try. I NEED feedback!!! xxoxox
timewarp @ 57
Finally! someone is taking legal action!!!! Libel these aholes.
Eli @ 52
That can be solved. Just draft only Repugs.
Oh oh…now Canada is goin’ to be mad at me. *g*
I’ve been waiting for a Boltin’ Joe thread. I assume you’ve all seen this, from driftglass:
http://photos1.blogger.com/blo.....reak.1.jpg
I can’t stop laughing.
Old Sow @ 49
If you mean Clusterfuck, I can’t even look at him on TV with the mute on!
Campaign Against Depleted Uranium
http://www.cadu.org.uk/info/11_1.htm
BobbyG–You are better informed than I.
TY–there’s an “aw yeah” “conceit” on Glenn Beck…okay, I will wash out my mouth (with Pinot Grigio–LOL) And I’m with you–and we don’t even have TV.
Eli @ 52
Your logic is compelling. Perhaps then it becomes a matter of priority in the larger sense. If, accepting for the moment that instituting the draft will help put an end to illegal foreign adventures, and thus reduce death, is it then not in the interest of the greater good to do so (bring in the draft)? Even though it puts election goals in peril? Perhaps I’m just musing here, but I do place a premium on the waste of human life in servitude to an unjust cause. I don’t know. There’s no easy answer.
Frightened Americans is both a terrorist and a republican goal.
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Mommybrain, link doesn’t work.
Just got this via email:
Oooh! Here’s a fresh, breaking report from WaPo –
Another federal judge refuses to dismiss (another) electronic eavesdropping suit!
US District Judge Garr King (Oregon) this time.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....01060.html
Lots of exciting news today! It’s impossible to keep up! Who turned on the event-accelerator?!?
pluege @ 69
The former Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave is now exhorted by Presidunce Eminem to be the land of Perpetual Code Brown Bedwetters.
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Mad Dogs @ 63
You want the middle class and the campus kids to take notice, a draft is probably the only way to get their attention.
It got my attention back in 1969 when the draft lottery was instituted. I’ll never forget watching that black and white tv and the people who got low numbers not too terribly happy about that.
pluege @ 69
Fascism makes strange bedfellows, doncha know?
Mrs. K8 @ 72
YAY OREGON!!
Fartacus ain’t too popular ’round these parts.
Gladly kick him in the toobz.
I know we mentioned George Mitchell here earlier, but did we actually put up his contact info yet? I don’t see it in the “not going away” post. Think Progress has it up:
Reminder that Mitchell is a potential ally, so please be polite.
Your logic is compelling. Perhaps then it becomes a matter of priority in the larger sense. If, accepting for the moment that instituting the draft will help put an end to illegal foreign adventures, and thus reduce death, is it then not in the interest of the greater good to do so (bring in the draft)? Even though it puts election goals in peril? Perhaps I’m just musing here, but I do place a premium on the waste of human life in servitude to an unjust cause. I don’t know. There’s no easy answer.
My dour prediction would be that if the Democrats instituted a draft, it would ensure a giant, filibuster-proof Republican majority, which would immediately repeal the draft. Lose-lose.
It’s good to see Lamont sharpening his message. To reach the full electorate in the general, he would have needed to expand his messages from those that were sufficient in the Dem-only primary.
I hope he pushes the argument further, to say that it’s not just the current morass in Iraq for which Joe should be held accountable. The broader message is that Joe’s proclivity to support the entire Bush approach of preemptive war in the middle east — and his unwillingness to ask the tough questions (thanks VG) — is likely to lead to broader wars in Iran and possibly Pakistan.
The neocon view is that we ought to be fighting Islamists throughout the whole region, and that all resistance groups — shia and sunni, in Lebannon or Gaza — are all the same. Joe’s uncritical endorsement of that neocon/Bush view should be highlighted as a reason why Lieberman’s judgment cannot be trusted — and for that matter, Dems all over the country should be making that argument about Bush and Republicans in general. These people have us bogged down in one unwinnable war, and they’re trying to scare us into expanding the mistake — and with which troops? IMO, that argument is the Dem’s best offense, and an effective reply to the current Bush effort to recast the issue as the WOT, in which all parties are equated with al Qaeda.
The Nefarious Leslie @ 70
Try pasting the link into your browser instead of clicking on it.
Mrs. K8 says:
our consciences prompted by our founding fathers:
and
(Can’t edit comment in blasted IE - Mitchell is former Senate Majority Leader and current Chairman of the Board at Disney.)
windje says:
NO LIE, darlin’!
Never been so relieved to be a xx-chromosomal-type in my life as that day in 1969 when my birthday came up No. 1 in that first lottery! Lord, lord, hadda toke myself into grateful oblivion that night . . .
*ilson46201 @ 47
Remember the 2000 presidential campaign when the Bush people trotted out “P” — Jeb’s son, George P. Bush — and went on and on about how cute he was? “P” disappeared from the scene the moment we went into Iraq.
Well, I made the “train-wreck-pilgrimage” to the blog on Lieberman’s campaign site, joe2006.com. They really do have a post wherein Ned is labeled a flip-flopper and John Kerry is slammed. My comment to that post:
You mean this Dan Senor?:
1. Former Coalition Provisional Authority
chief spokesman
2. Contributor to Fox News.
3. Former intern for American Israel Public
Affairs Committee (AIPAC)
4. Senior associate of The Carlyle Group.
5. Brother of Wendy Senor Singer, head of
AIPAC office in Jerusalem.
windje @ 74
windje- I remember that very acutely as well. And, although it is not a time I wish to return to, it seems that things in this country have gone way beyond the horribleness of the Vietnam era. So, I would not like to see the draft come back, recalling those days, but now, this might be the only way forward.
8.2ontherichter @ 85
I try to keep abreast of things, but this blows me away.
OT *ilson, thanks for the reply to my mod question. I have read, and left further questions.
The Nefarious Leslie @
70
Try this
http://driftglass.blogspot.com/
scroll down to the last pic in teh osama bin hitler post. god, I love driftglass.
Angie (71), perfect: “Please send a message to ABC: Stick to the facts.” (Peter Rundlet)
NefLes-GO TO Mozilla-Foxfire, download, and edit will work
angie –
I’m always happy to see excerpts of my two most favoritest documents in the whole world.
The Preamble is especially dear to me. In grade school we Catholic kids were given “Preambles” to write when we committed rule infractions.
Talking in class without permission? “That’ll be fifty Preambles written neatly on my desk tomorrow morning!”
I was such a “chatty cathy” I ended up with a virtual copy of the Preamble on my closed eyelids in short order — I can still see it there to this day!
See? Sometimes from disobedience comes enormous civic pride!
8.2ontherichter @ 86
O*U*C*H
Mrs. K8– bless you!
Valley Girl @
85
Compulsory or draftee military service is not necessarily the wrong path. As long as people like bigtime can’t get deferred around it for ‘other priorities’
Sending a representative sample of the populace to war would bring out a whole lot more executive and congressional branch introspection.
George Mitchell is former Senate Majority Leader and current Chairman of the Board at Disney
I believe George Mitchell is on the Board of Directors at Disney, but is not Chairman.
Whoa — looks like I’m wrong. Kos has an Action Alert targetting George Mitchell, Chairman of the Board at Disney.
2nd Update —
Mrs K8–that’ll be 50 preambles, what sort of a school did you attend?
Thanks angie!
Let me take this opportunity to thank the whole wonderfully supportive FDL community for your prayers and good thoughts — I am certain it helped so much:
Tandy just had her second ultrasound exam of lymph nodes, and:
As far as can be detected, she is still free of metastasis! No further cancer found!
So, bless YOU angie, and all the wonderful friends here who supported us when we were so very worried.
From Joe’s blog:
WASHINGTON (AP) - Democrats applauded, a Republican colleague gave him a hug _ Sen. Joe Lieberman still has plenty of friends in Congress.
But no one kissed him. A sad day.
The Dan Senor of CPA who seems to have lost $9 billion.
xoxoxo Mrs. K8 and hugs to Tandy!
-ck- @ 95
Disney Chairman George Mitchell will reach the board’s mandatory retirement age of 72 on Aug. 20, 2005, more than a year ahead of Eisner’s planned retirement as CEO on Sept. 30, 2006.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/.....sney_x.htm
Old Sow –
A terrific Catholic parish grade school, staffed initially by Franciscan sisters (Irish), and then by a small, esoteric Italian order (who taught us Italian phrases whenever possible).
“Buon Giorno, Suor Superiore! Come sta?”
OS,
Had to put the kids to bed.
Glenn Beck is a braying jackass.
My “aw yeah” is much more Sly Stone than that.
Start the draft? Please don’t make me cut my son’s toe off.
Jenny (and others) - on George Mitchell, maybe it will work, but I have lots of relatives in Maine who got pretty fed up with Mitchell after he began making a bundle off of big tobacco. In my family he is considered a big sell out! He got alot of heat for that but it didn’t make any difference. I think Jobs is a better bet.
Justathought, EPU’d from previous thread:
From the “funny how things come back to bite you in the ass department”: If the 911 commission hadn’t capitulated to GOP demands to thwart the public from seeing the ENTIRE commission report in order to afford Bush a smokescreen for his lies in the 04 campaign, a lot of this mispresentation/confusion would never have seen the light of day.
The dem leader letter to Disney is great, but this is what happens when you let something like the freakin’ 911 Commission report be politicized in the first place…
tommy yum @ 103
Mine is more Barry and Levon…
Richmond,
I’m not sure either one is the best angle, but I agree Mitchell is probably the weaker of the two, for sure.