
With what may be the funniest caption I’ve seen in quite a while, Keith Olbermann interviewed Richard Ben-Veniste yesterday evening regarding the truthiness of the ABC 9/11 miniseries. Crooks and Liars has the video clip and it’s quite well done and worth a watch.
My favorite part is Tom Kean saying he had the ability to have the writer and producers change inaccuracies in the film — to ensure that it was based on facts and not fiction — and then Olbermann and Ben-Veniste discussing all the factual inaccuracies that Kean allowed to slide right through and into the film. Classic.
Olbermann discussed the false and misleading study guides being given out to kids through Scholastic — although last night, there was some question as to whether those materials had been scrubbed from the Scholastic website. Media Matters has more on the Scholastic materials, and the factual misrepresentations therein. (And they have pulled the PDF’s that Scholastic was touting, so you can still take a peek at them via Media Matters, even though Scholastic has scrubbed the ability to search for them on their website at this point.)
Look, it is perfectly legitimate to provide materials from both sides of the political aisle, to discuss theories with kids in school, to talk about legitimate differences of opinion or approach or philosophy/ideology and political viewpoint. It’s called education in terms of political discourse — and a discussion of how things can be manipulated or used to further one agenda or another is a very, very useful discussion in terms of public education.
What is clearly not acceptable is to provide materials that are slanted or which have facts substantially in dispute — from the very document from which they purport to be gleaned, in this particular case, since the materials in some spots don’t even track the facts in the 9/11 Commission Report — and then fail to label them as "theories" or "spin" or "partisan" or "propoganda" or some other label other than truth. (You know, what your mom and mine called "lying" when we were growing up.)
Because they are NOT truth if they cannot be backed up by facts. Period.
So Scholastic is at least reviewing the fiction versus actual facts in some way, and being responsive to concerns of parents regarding this fictional GOP-U-Drama. What is ABC doing? Well, it’s executives are sending reassuring e-mails to Hugh Hewitt about The Path to 9/11: "‘The Message of the Clinton Admin Failures Remains Fully Intact." And they are still refusing to allow folks from the Clinton Administration to review the film — although Brent Bozell said yesterday evening on MSNBC’s Scarborough show that he’s seen it, too, along with Limbaugh, and Hewitt, and the rest of the wingnut commenters and pundits.
Nope, no agenda there. Nosiree, Mickey.
UPDATE: Bolton confirmation hearings will begin this morning in the Senate. C-Span3 will begin coverage at 9:30 am ET. You can watch online here.
UPDATE #2: The Bolton hearing has not begun as yet — am checking on why.
ThinkProgress has confirmed with Scholastic that the materials are temporarily down — but could not confirm whether changes are being made or anything beyond that, but that materials are still going to be provided to teachers regarding the film.
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there’s nothing like waking up to the headline “Bush Acknowledges Secret Jails” to make you proud to be an American.
lina — SIGH yeah, I know. Am working on something on that for later today.
The thermometer is up to $16K, Chris Carney (PA-10) at Howie’s Blue America over $2k — yesterday was a good day!
Bush the Gulag Warden?
on your topic at hand: I’m glad to see Scholastic has gotten some significant pressure.
Morning Christy, thanks for keeping the fire under this one, and, as always, thanks for all you do.
And may I say FITZ?
Via google cache, the pdf links are still up.
http://content.scholastic.com/…..df/a/ABC_p df_2.pdf
http://content.scholastic.com/…..df/a/ABC_p df_1.pdf
http://content.scholastic.com/…..df/a/ABC_p df_3.pdf
http://content.scholastic.com/…..df/a/ABC_p df_5.pdf
http://content.scholastic.com/…..df/a/ABC_p df_4.pdf
while we fret (rightfully) over the gop-u-drama is not today the day of bolton’s confirmation hearings? a year ago we would have been all over ‘em a few weeks ago…
so much crap, so little time.
At least Scholastic *appears* to have seen the light.
I am focused on Disney and Apple.
So who’s working on the Rebuttal DocuDrama where W and Condi sit around poking fun at Richard Clarke and the Clintonista fear of Osama. You know the one where they *know* that Sadaam is the ‘real threat’.
Didnt copy correctly the first time
http://content.scholastic.com/….._pdf_2.pdf
http://content.scholastic.com/….._pdf_1.pdf
http://content.scholastic.com/….._pdf_3.pdf
http://content.scholastic.com/….._pdf_5.pdf
http://content.scholastic.com/….._pdf_4.pdf
Did anybody happen to catch the Young Turks yesterday? You gotta see this, Cenk was on fire!
Cenk goes nucular!
there’s a diary over at Kos re how to keep up the pressure on Scholastic:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/9/7/83625/00494
Wonder what the heck Scholastic is doing at this point?
Watched that Ben-Veniste vid last night, and when Kean came on wiith that bold-faced promo talk, I was completely astonished. So he’s the co-Chair of the 9/11 commission and this is what he really believes????????? No wonder we’re in so much trouble.
We need to be sending out Fahrenheit 911 to all the schools.
I think I’m going to add gopudrama to my vocabulary. It’s a pretty good word for a lot of the Iraq war coverage, and a lot of recent movies, like the one that blamed Clinton for Somalia, even though it was Bush I who put US troops at risk there.
If this gopudrama airs unedited, it will be a travesty. Hopefully, ABC will have an attack of conscience and either edit out or allow respotses to the inaccuracies and blatant propaganda in this piece of crap. I’m not holding my breath. After all, ABC is the gopudrama network.
Bringing back the Fairness Doctrine should be a top Democratic priority. And busting up the media conglomerates.
o @ 8
There are enough of us to multi-task :)
We need to be sending out Fahrenheit 911 to all the schools.
Honestly, why don’t we? Michale Moore’s documentary is at least factual, in opposition to ABC’s work of fiction, which is full of made-up scenes.
lina @ 1
I have to say, though the facts and the speech are appalling, I was pleased that was the headline for it. (”Bush Confesses to Another Crime on National Television” would have been too much to ask.)
The intended message of the transfers was “we’re putting some known Very Bad People in Gitmo so people will believe us when we say all the prisoners are Very Bad People,” most news organizations acually latched onto the only newsworthy part, leading to headlines like this one instead.
Christy, spelling alert!
“philsophy/ideology”
This article is another great Spotlight candidate.
I’m surprised by Kean and his antics. He was a decent govenor here in NJ and always seemed like a good man.
My opinion of him flew out the window this week along with my opinion of Disney.
There’s something about a potentate having a chain of secret gulags that seems so Stalin era Soviet. How did we become the bad guys. I mean, America’s hands have never been completely clean, but we took a really evil turn starting in 2001.
Bolton’s hearing will be on cspan 3 @ 930.
LindyH,
thanks very much for the Birdoblog link downstairs – fabulous list linking us all to regular ABC advertisers
http://birdoblog.birdobot.com/disney_propaganda
Angie,
as always, thanks for bringing me up to speed – am always concerned when I hear the Chimp asking for “authorization” for anything – was worried it is Addington/Yoo fodder to bomb Iran
and again, in my fuzzyheaded state, am thinking these hastily called Bolton hearings mean Karl looked at the numbers and knows he wont have votes in January
anyone remember the film, “30 seconds over tokyo,” in which an bomber crew led by dana andrews is tried without due process and beheaded for bombing tokyo?
These Bush Gitmo rules would have less due process than that.
If McCain, Warner and Lindsey can stick together with the Dems, they can beat this purely political maneuver by Rove/Bush.
This is just another Bush effort to turn national security into politics. They have no shame.
OH–and sell Disney!
Redshift @ 18
the most depressing part for me is that half the American electorate doesn’t care that he’s shredded the Constitution and 230 years of law. They don’t care that he’s the acolyte of Josef Stalin.
Now they’re starting to put emphasis on it being “controversial,” to try to put it in he-said-she-said land and pretend that what “he said” isn’t knowingly false. It’s the creationism version of history — “teach the controversy.”
Morning folks,
Off to work, gnashing my teeth because I have to wait till this afternoon to send off another batch of emails. I spotlighted one of Jennifer Nix’s posts to ABC head honchos yesterday, not that they really care, obviously. And let me say what a great tool spotlight is. Thank you to the genius who thought that up.
I just got a great list of email addresses from Daily Kos – Big List of Action Contacts, so this afternoon, after contacting my local ABC affiliate, I’m going after Scholastic and Apple, then, Pixar and Disney shareholders.
I’ve already spoken with my son’s humanities teacher (7th grade; but I think I’ll formalize it in an email to the High School and Middle School administration and Social Studies Dept.
Taking action feels great, doesn’t it?
Okay, now to Preview what I just wrote, so I don’t send out anything cringe worthy, again.
Redshift @ 18
Plus, this transfer order is accompanied by some VERY scary legislation allowing Herr Bushcenfuerer to try these people with evidence the defense is not allowed to know about (so how do they rebut it?) and “evidence” obtained by torture
Plus
he is renewin his attempt to pass legislation to exempt his administration from the provisions of the WAR CRIMES ACT.
If that passes, change in houses of Congress won’t matter quite so much. it’s like juggling folks, gotta keep our eyes on more than one ball at a time.
This happened at the end of the 2002 election period, fastr than dems could respond to one bomb over here, two more were exploding over there.
We gotta be nimble folks
Someone needs to develop quick talking points for kids grades 9-12 against the Scholastic materials and the miniseries, and then let’s encourage our children to disseminate these talking points through their social networks (MySpace, IM, etc). Also, point them to http://openlettertoabc.blogspot.com/ .
This may be the best defense against the BushCo propaganda.
That’s exactly what my teenage son was doing last night by his own initiative (IM’ing friends to tell them about this) as I was explaining to him this farse. I kept telling him that he was not paying attention to me because he just kept typing into his IM and glancing at me once in a while as I was speaking. Finally he said to me: “Dad, stop it! I am listening and telling my friends about it at the same time”. And then he asked me for web sites where they can look this thing up. :-)
Let the network of networks do the job. Things spread like wildfire in these networks.
Mark B. in Austin TX @ 21
We did not. We must never forget that. We were taken over by an authoritarian cabal who were already bad guys. If America had truly taken an evil turn, they wouldn’t have had to lie endlessly to get the public to go along with these things. They took advantage of a moment of great shock and vulnerability to turn America away from our ideals, and we’re going to make them pay.
Howie Kurtz in the WaPo has an article up on this entitled “Clinton Administration Officials Assail ABC’s ‘The Path to 9/11′“. The discussion is pretty good, laying out who objects and why . . . but why isn’t the piece called “ABC’s ‘Path to 9-11′ Plays Fast and Loose with Reality”?
Nope, it’s gotta be about those picky Clinton folks, all worried about their legacy and everything.
Downtown on Union Square there is the big Disney store and the Apple flagship is a couple of blocks away. Pixar is just across the bay. I wonder if any local protests are underway.
I’m trying to follow up on this, but I just heard on NPR that Bill Clinton is objecting to the content of the gopumentary (although, of course, ABC won’t provide him with a copy). I’ll try to see if I can get more….
o/t
Still no response to my request several threads back & echoed by subsequent site visitors for a snail mail addresss in order to be able to contribute to the Wheeler book.
And then there’s David Broder, tsk tsking all over himself about how the media owes poor Karl Rove an apology for the mean things said about him masterminding a conspiracy to discredit Joe Wilson by outing Valerie Plame.
Last line of his piece: “And all of journalism needs to relearn the lesson: Can the conspiracy theories and stick to the facts.” That’s ironic, given the rather sparse presence of facts in what he wrote above those words.
Twisted Martini @ 11
Wow.
Wish we could bottle some of that.
Waccamaw @ 34
It doesn’t take very long to set up a P. O. Box for fdl. All we need is a volunteer that the hosts trust. Hope we can get this set up soon for folks to send in their checks.
well good night nurse!, really Firedogs, imagine where on the intellectual food chain you must reside to want to suck up to Hugh Hewitt . . .
Mark B. in Austin TX @
14
Someone else came up with the term “crock-u-drama” Either will do. It’s all a crock anyway.
Someone should send this to Rove apologist and Woodward BFF David Broder ….
http://www.chicagotribune.com/…..i-news-col
msnbc covering the mockumentary now.
http://www.nypost.com/
Roger Cressey is lambasting it too.
Josh Marshall noted last night (10:31 PM) that “we’re hearing that at least some program managers at local ABC affiliates around the country are planning to run rebuttal segments and/or panel with a mix of terrorism experts to add ‘balance’ or least deflect some criticism.”
It’s a step up from running a disclaimer and counting the complaints that come in, but still . . .
Scroll down further, and you’ll see @ 8:27PM that Josh also notes that ABC/Disney owns some local stations, but others are independent and thus have more choice in whether to show the piece or not. Helpful to know which camp your local station falls into before you Spotlight them – check out his two lists.
looseheadprop @ 28
Agreed. I think pre-emptive calls and faxes are in order to our less-than-insane Republican and cluster-bomb Democratic senators. No matter how they think they can spin this to make Democrats look weak, we have to make clear that we will make them look very bad if they vote for things like exempting people who were “just following orders” from war crimes.
Waccamaw at 34 — we’re working on something. It’s been an insanely busy week this week and we’re trying to get things moving on several fronts at the moment. Please be patient — as soon as we have something for you, we’ll post it, I promise.
Seconding Waccamaw’s request for a snailmail addy for contributions by check to FDL Books. Could it be that this WP/FDL software glitch is why the linked Visa site keeps refusing to recognize what I’m typing into several fields there?
Mack @
9
It would seem not. Think Progress is reporting that Scholastic is standing behind its materials. The web site is only temporarily down. As Atrios says,
Kean’s spawn Tommy Jr. is running for US Senate in NJ. How can we put him on the spot about this issue? Either way, I can’t see this helping him. First, maybe the low-information voter realizes they’re not voting for Senior. Second, he either has to defend or repudiate Daddy, neither of which is a desirable course of action for him.
OK, here’s a little something to cheer us up:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..hern_women
RevDeb @ 39
I came up with “propa-mentary,” but I’m not sure it flows quite as well.
KO was on a roll last night. Before the GOP-U-DRAMA segment, he showed a montage of Katherine Harris videos including the one where she posed like a pin-up model and tried to entice Sean Hannity. KO said in that piece that she showed “two pieces of her platform”. I nearly choked on my ziti it was that funny.
I never watch Hannity and Colmes but the one time I DID happen to catch them was when Katherine Harris was doing this interview. It was beyond bizarre. The boob play was so obvious. Marilyn Monroe she ain’t.
ThinkProgress has confirmed with Scholastic that the materials are temporarily down — but could not confirm whether changes are being made or anything beyond that, but that materials are still going to be provided to teachers regarding the film.
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/…..astic-911/
twistedmartini: thanks for the turk link. Great stuff there.
Redshift @ 48
Too egghead-y. NTTAWWT. From one egghead to another. BTW, did I see you posting under your real name at Joe’s place?
oh this is rich– the msnbc thing is very damning to ABC– tis a long segment ;)
I was a teacher once. It would not be hard to put young Americans on guard against propaganda. I would show its successes in another society. (We innoculate against smallpox with cowpox on the theory that, however small we are, we are not cows.) Then I would promote reflection on the methods. Finally, I’d give the kids a chance to take them home.
Here’s a rough curriculum:
1. Start by showing Leni Riefenstahl’s 1935 classic “Triumph of the Will.”
2. Hand out the quotes from Goebbels, Goehring and Hitler that we’ve all seen many times over and specifics from Goebbels on film (his most carefully crafted medium) and ask how the film embodies them.
3. Distribute Orwell’s “Politics and the English Language.” (I would play devil’s advocate: reject Newspeak’s theory that pruning a vocabulary suppresses thought — Hey, who needs words to think? — then ask to be proven wrong, but that’s a personal detail.)
4. Distribute Madison’s Federalist #10, which adopts the premise that pluralism is inevitable absent oppression and then proposes to deal with the matter through the Constitution.
5. Open the class to a discussion of these times, by which time their hair would be on fire. My experience with children is that they see things adults learn to clam up about.
Ronald Dworkin’s piece, “Three Questions for America,” in the current New York Review of Books, is on point. Its focus is creationism and intelligent design theory, but it contains a rationale for an immunizing plan of this sort. He ends this part of the essay as follows:
Material drawn from another culture would lessen the “political difficulties.” For reasons given it would also be more effective.
O/T
forgive me, but caught this over at Gilliard’s
This is one of the 2500 Marines subject to recall. There was an interview w/ him in his local paper – and of course battalions of 101st Fighting Keyboarders called him ‘traitor’, ‘coward’, etc
this link is his response. just this quote alone should make any one realize the depth of true American treasure we are wasting over there -(emphasis mine)
http://stevegilliard.blogspot……ndbox.html
boo yah indeed
OT:
I left this and a little more on the firemen sickness thread below…a link to purchase the WNYF (With New York Firemen)Magazine published 4 x’s a year. Great way to donate to the fire department.
http://www.nyc.gov/html/fdny/h…..fsubs.html
Everyone remember to keep “Disney” or “Disney/ABC” front and center, not just “ABC.”
Disney corporate may be willing to let “ABC” get nicked up, but the “Disney” brand and the revenue that goes with it are another matter entirely.
BREAKING: Bolton’s nomination removed from the agenda for the Foreign Relations Committee today.
Twisted Martini @
11
Wow. He’s awesome, but that can’t be good for him. His head exploded. He’s absolutely right, though. Our first amendmemt was drafted with guys like Tom Paine in mind and today we have Leni Reifenstahls offering up fantasy as fact. Shame on them. They deserve to be incarcerated for contempt–not legal contempt, but the contempt of the people–for their pathetic reporting on dead white girls and Tomkat’s baby while everything else is on fire.
consideration of bolton’s nomination by senate foreign relations committee has been REMOVED from today’s agenda!
wahoo!!!! no bolton drama today. is it too soon to hope that things are changing?
angie, perhaps the networks are starting to wake up to the fact that ABC/Disney is now fair game, and they can commence the battle to beat up their competitor.
christy – you type faster than i do! should have know you would be closely listening to cspan… thx.
Chimpy gonna flap his gums on da teevee in 19 minutes
Christy Hardin Smith @ 59
well that explains a lot :0
These slimers are betting against the Democrats winning a majority this November.
pete said is it too soon to hope that things are changing?
answer: yes-don’t order the balloons yet.
Great post this morning. Where would one classify this, semi-nonfiction or semi-fiction? I do believe our high school students are entitled to the truth as we all are. Why confuse the youth in our country.
Scholastic has the worst curriculum, starting in the elementary grades. The debate whether the media isa “hinder to our national security” that sure is a loaded ? since they are part of the media.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/9/7/83625/00494Mack @ 9
It appears that there is more work to be done with Scholastic. This is great information. If we can get messages to every major school district in the country, it looks like Scholastic could potentially back out of the partnership!
It’s too bad that this #$$@ could impact working people’s paychecks!
Please ask everyone to follow through with the school districts.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/9/7/83625/00494Mack @ 9
jayt @
36
what jayt says
Will those 51% of Americans who still believe that Saddam was involved in 911 need a lobotomy? And I’m with him that the press is the one responsible. Not Bush–presidents have always stretched the truth. It is up to the press to get the story out!
Nancy Wall @ 69
egregious — returned to the barn early last nite, but saw your comments this a.m. Thanks for linking the Hugh comments, and thanks again for the tutorial on how to do it. Appreciate it.
christy, joe cannon on cannonfire has taken a deep inquiry into this issue, with some investigation into the investment question, as well as a couple of suggestions of what we as citizens can do.
check it out:
http://www.cannonfire.blogspot.com
Apologies, Nancy, didn’t mean to put words in your mouth. Let me try this again.
Worse yet, it is a propagandistic question, feeding directly into Bush’s latest propaganda claim that OBL launched a media campaign to divide the American people from the government.
op99 @ 47
I was thinking the same thing – Kean Jr. needs to be asked about his dad’s participation in this mess, and ABC stations in the NJ area need to be asked about this angle as well. Don’t just spotlight the programming folks – get this in front of the news directors, and ask whether they’ve asked Kean Jr about it.
Thanks cbl at 6:55.
Have to agree – like 1,000% – with lhp, who cautions us all that we have to pay attention to everything, as the quick hits and sleight of hand and back-door wheeling and dealing go into overdrive now that we are less than 60 days to the mid-terms. This administration is taking no chances that it will have a reliably rubber-stamp Congress to work with in January, so it is pulling out all the stops now. Be vigilant. Or, for those like us who already are on hyper-alert, be more vigilant.
How can we be more vigilant? I think, in part, by continuing to look beyond whatever bright object is being dangled in front of us.
I am, frankly, much more concerned about the Bolton nomination, the push for Congress to legalize the kangaroo courts, and to make all the secret wiretapping legal than I am about a factually-challenged movie. Don’t get me wrong: the ABC peddling of disinformation pisses me off, mainly because there are a lot of people who won’t bother to question what is in that movie, but those same people are just as likely to have forgotten about it as soon as another white woman goes missing, Tom and Katie hit the talk show circuit with Suri or Paris Hilton hits the airwaves with her tearful story of being arrested for DWI.
I am heartened by the outpouring of criticism of the movie, but it should not distract from the other issues on the table. Those issues are being framed, as always, as tools necessary to fight terror and punish the terrorists – and those who object to the administration’s plans are, as always, being framed as not wanting to bring terrorists to justice or to protect America from that evil. We know that it’s about something bigger, something that seems to be bringing us ever-closer to the kind of totalitarianism that Bush tries to speechify about (he has trouble getting his mouth around the word, even if he doesn’t have trouble pushing us closer to the brink).
We write, we call, we fax, we e-mail – but are we any closer to successfully fighting this naked grab for more and more and more power? How do we get people to understand that there has to be a balance between security and freedom? How do we conquer the fear factor? And how do we do it without giving the GOP the ammunition they think they need to once again declare triumph and mandate on November 8th?
A week or so ago I posted several commentaries, to the point where I think I was beginning to annoy other FDL’ers. My point was that heading into the election one of the Democrats’ biggest talking points was to ask, “Where is Osama bin Laden?”
The reason I felt that way was because turning away from the chance to capture bin Laden in order to focus on Iraq was emblematic of the whole failure of the Bush to directly deal with the threat of terrorism in order to fulfull a regime change agenda the preceded even 9/11. This was and still is an achilles heel for Bush and the Dems have not exploited it. The Republicans knew this and Path to 9/11 is their preemptive attack on the Dems.
Now we have the Path to 9/11 thingy, and guess what? The Democrats are on the defensive whining about unfair treatment from ABC, regarding guess who — Osama bin Laden.
They could have been on the attack re OBL now they are on the defense.
Am I pissed off? Fuckin’ A.
Am I surprised at the Dem’s lack of imagination and spine? No.
Question: can anyone file a complaint with the FEC about this rather substantial corporate in-kind donation of public airtime to the Republicans right before the elections?? I went to the FEC site, and it needs to be in writing, notarized, 3 copies, mailed. Should it be from a Dem candidate to have standing?
I have already called/emailed Disney, ABC, local affiliate, Scholastic (twice), and the FCC. This pisses me off, especially since they are targeting kids!
If you subscribe to the Disney.com emagazine CANCEL YOUR SUBSCRIPTION and where they ask you why you no longer want to receive disney email ….tell them its because of path to 9/11
msnbc FRONT PAGE right now.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/
“Clinton officials rip ABC’s ‘The Path to 9/11’”
With Maddie Albright and a poll.
Christy – I sent u an email
hoosierville @ 83
Just voted, 59% think it is misleading the public…..
you’re welcome John Casper – seeing authentic Duty, Honor, Country on the screen at Gilliards had me bawlin’
can Bolton be recess-nominated more than once?
(There’s a certain freedom which comes from no longer much caring about showing my ignorance).
But this admin is seemingly just making so much stuff up as they go – So I don’t really feel that bad.
ABC and Disney assume they are safe in Bush-Lie-Land since the latter remains mostly unscathed with its fabrications. May it not be so for ABC and D.
Each of these issues is crucial. They have even more ramifications: the attempt to neuter the War Crimes Act ties in with the kangaroo courts (both would let Bush get away with having extracted info from detainees through torture).
What troubles me here long term is the Scholastic connection. That’s a new generation being molded. It will turn us all in for liberal rehab in our old age unless it is set straight.
Upthread at #55 I mention a piece by Ronald Dworkin that Scholastic ought to read and think about. Anyone who has their ear should put it under their nose. Before they try to get our kids to think straight they should think straight themselves. It seems they’re doing the very opposite (see #76).
All very interesting…
When I was a mere 12-13 years old in the late ’50s in Abilene, Texas, the John Birch Society (remember them?) produced a film which was circulated and shown in local schools. It claimed that the Communication Workers of America was a Communist front organization and pointed out how CWA members were potentially in a position to shut down the telephone networks in the event of a Communist takeover. I was very upset and told my parents about the CWA menace as soon as I got home.
Whether or not it’s relevant, I forgot all about this in a day or two.
Chimpy in Atlanta – the chimp looks like he’s feeling a little snappy this AM
speaking before the Georgia Public Policy Foundation
Of course I realize that there are many important issues that face this nation. However, given the fact that there are many 18 year olds in high school and that many schools do not make government classes a priority, this is a most worthy topic since those 18 years can vote.
Chimpy in Atlanta – 9/11, terra. I set forth a strategery for the terrists defeat.
my legislation will bring these people to justice.
today, a progress report on the steps we’ve taken to protect the murkin people.
Peterr @ 35
Since Broder prefers facts, I think I’ll send him some to think about, such as by spotlighting this to him:
http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/09/06/you-tell-me/
Others might offer their own contributions to the Education of David Broder.
Tell Scholastic you will NOT buy the last Harry Potter book, or anything else they print.
(those damn sneaky bastards)
CHD points out in the post: “Because they are NOT truth if they cannot be backed up by facts. Period.”
This is how it’s done. This is the same approach that the wingnuts attempted with the insertion of “Intelligent Design” into school curricula to supposedly balance the Theory of Evolution. And now we have the Theory of History. Let’s come up with another possibility to distract the gullible masses. Let’s foster doubt, everyone. Here’s the hook, where’s the line & sinker?
Balance does not mean a creative skewing of actual facts to mollify people who are wrong.
Phooey.
Chimpy in Atlanta – quoting general Oneray “dont get stuck on stupid” (oops, too late)
Nancy Wall @ 92
Sorry to be such a noodge, Nancy, but it would be good to have a look at Dworkin’s piece here. Sometimes timely ideas come from out of the blue for OT reasons.
chimpy–different tie (yellow today, blue yestidday and red the day before, iirc), new wiggling of eyebrows, same old spew with a little more fake texan throwed in and i believe he took some starbucks this morning, he is positively jumpy today– now recollecting the terrarist attack in Hotlanta 10 yrs ago and 9/11.
in his groove now.
Chimpy in Atlanta – the terrists we have tortured have told us lots of stuff.
..pursue our enemies and prevent attacks on the USA yadda yadda yadda
Chimpy in Atlanta – foiled a suicide plot to blow up pas-ss-en-ger planes.
America is safer b/c we have taken action to protect the homeland.
yellow tie? say no more….
new thread
All very valid points at 7:12, Anne, as per usual. IMVHO, it’s about progress not perfection. As I’m sure you will agree, any FDLer who does anything about any of these is far superior to waiting for a “priorities list.” Jane, Christy, Jen Nix have all posted about the movie and mentioned Spotlighting it. I think one thing you left out about the movie is that it is aimed specifically at undercutting Bill Clinton’s ability to campaign with other Democrats and sway Independents from the GOP’s all terror all the time theme before the midterms. That alone is reason enough to fight the movie.
I’m not disagreeing with your comment.
When FDL “took off” about September 05, IIRC, it was all Plame all the time. The best news is that FDL has showed diversification. It doesn’t need Plame to survive. The bad news is that we’re a “learning community,” and we’re still learning. I agree completely, however, right now, it feels overwhelming. As we, as a community learn, I think our activist priorities will shake out a little more clearly, never completely settled, but an improvement over where we are now, under 60 days before midterms.
OT, I think at this stage, FDL and the liberal blogs have a lot of people active on different topics.
yeah,
like
Bali
Madrid
London
Istanbul
uh huh
Christy –
I posted this yesterday, but you may not have seen it. This is taken from a report by Rachel Berry, who wrote it while a JD candidate at W & L University Law School. I began circulating it in the summer of 2001 — within months, it and all of the other REAL Journal (Race and Ethnic Ancestry Law) articles were sequestered in a subscription only law library. Curious, that.
At any rate, the key fact — Tom Kean is a wholly owned subsidiary of Karl Rove’s GOP Gangsters ‘R’ Us. He serves much the same function as Joe Lieberman — a beard who’s reputation gives cover to GOP dirty deals.
(The Menendez campaign should be made aware of this history, btw — they could be used to put Tom Kean Jr in an awkward position.)
[EPU’d]
-ck- @
121
Tom Kean Sr isn’t clueless — he’s a dirty GOoPer who’s managed to maintain a squeaky clean image, despite having a closet full of skeletons.
Tom Kean Sr was the beneficiary of a Republican Vote Suppression scheme, that led to a DNC vs RNC lawsuit. The suit was settled in 1982, with the RNC promising never to use the Ballot Security Task Force scam ever again — the very same year Karl Rove used it in Texas.
Short answer — Karl Rove has Tom Kean Sr by the short hairs.
See Rachel Berry’s:
DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE V. EDWARD J. ROLLINS:
POLITICS AS USUAL OR UNUSUAL POLITICS?
Excerpt and link from The Texas Blueprint for the Stolen Election.
chimpy in ATL – quoting OBL again
“da taliban siezed control of kaBOOOOL”
chimpy in ATL – he’s running down the list of terrist attacks, just like he did the last couple days.
orangejumpsuit @ 80
OJS, part of the evil genius of “The Path to 9/11″ is that it blames Bill Clinton for not killing Osama, when he had the chance. It would be like making a movie blaming Harry Reid for getting us into Iraq. I bet they have scripts already written.
chimpy in ATL – after 9/11 i set forth a new doctrine — nations that help of harbor terrists will b held to account.
we closed down the taliban/qaeda in afghanistan (see, he doesnt read the papers)
When the President of the United States gets up in front of the nation and says that we did practice rendition and we did use “alternative” interrogation methods – TORTURE – and he says this with an obvious wink and a nod and a sneer, and he says we got results and pictures and we’re now alot safer so we want to keep it up and we’re going to require you to change everything that this country was founded on so we can keep up our fake progress on our fake wars, ad infinitim – we are in some very serious deep shit people. They are going into overdrive with the images and the language and the innuendo and the lies and the smears and we are getting slammed hard because they absolutely must stay in power to pull this off. They’re going after all of it and it’s going to come at us fast and furious. Everything is calculated. Just look at this Bolton pullback this morning. Big headfake going on. We need to keep our eye on all of it. It will get thick and ugly. They know they’ve committed war crimes and they are figuring out if they say it publicly and wrap the flag around it and tag it to 9/11, they will have a fighting chance. Will America fall for another round of smoke and mirrors? No one is safe – Fitz will be hit hard. Our children, too. We have a ton of work to do.
chimpy in ATL – “i learned a lotta lessons on 9/11″ gonna get ‘em an’ bring ‘em to jussis.
I hope watching the docudrama wasn’t too hard on poor ol’ Hugh Hewitt, him being on the front line of terrorism every time he goes to his New York office and all.
chimpy in ATL – the sooner congress authorized my legislation, the sooner KSM will get the justice he deserves.
it’s really the same shit as yesterday… so far
OT, it’s contagious….Limpbaugh just said on Glenn Beck “strategerist”…LOL
Okay, I’m ducking (for having Clear Channel on) just prefer talk to music when I’m working….
new thread: Breaking Bolton News
chimpy in ATL – shorter chimpy – we have done a lot, it’s hard work
I have a very serious question and I need your help:
If you could ask Bob Mueller, head of the FBI, one serious question, what would it be? I might have a chance to do that in the next week few days….
chimpy in ATL – droning on and on about the terrist watch list
ridiculouser and ridiculouser…
twolf1– you are wonderful at liveblogging and make me laugh at the detritus that he is.
Christy Hardin Smith @
59
Here’s something else that might be put on hold, according to this Raw Story headline:
GOP, Dem Sens urge hold on wiretap bill: Developing…
chimpy in ATL – it’s pretty hard to follow his explanations of the terra timeline. his delivery is so choppy, like a 5th grade book report… ok, maybe 3rd grade
chimpy in ATL – we r appealing the NSA ruling. it’s a critical and vital program. giving legislation to broaden their spying abilities? wants heavier surveillance
imm – are you serious? God, that’s kind of overwhelming.
twolf1, you are a god.
Hey, I have an idea. How about eliminating all legislation one month prior to all elections. Take their recess then. Save us from this desperado cya law making whiplash.
This is more than awful– his speech is discombobulated in the extreme.
chimpy in ATL – surveillance program helps track terrist communication (I would have never guessed what it was for)
–sorry, now having trouble posting in this thread
chimp – just referred to the patriot act as the terrist act
Re: Highacidity at Kos, it looks like TIAA-CREF is a large mutual fund shareholder at Disney/ABC. May I suggest that everyone whose retirement fund is managed by TIAA-CREF (most academics) contact them:
College Retirement Equities Fund-stock Account
Administered by TIAA-CREF Investment Management, LLC
Phone: 212-490-9000
Fax: 212-916-4840
730 Third Ave., New York, NY 10017
http://www.tiaa-cref.org/
Herbert M. Allison, Chairman, President, and CEO
[NOTE: This company prides itself on being socially responsible]
LOL he just called the Patriot act the terrorist act.
Clinton let Osama Bin Laden get away?
Fiction — they were never close to surrounding him.
Bush ignored warnings of an Al Qaeda attack, and let Osama Bin Laden escape from Tora Bora when he was surrounded?
Fact — George Tenet personally gave GWB more than 50 warnings of the Al Qaeda attacks in the summer of 2001. These were the ‘hair on fire’ warnings that Richard Clarke reported.
Osama Bin Laden and the entire Al Qaeda leadership were surrounded in Tora Bora, and at the point of despair. Inexplicably, George W Bush refused to send in American troops from the 10th Mountain Division, and relied on the tribal warlords instead. In addition, Bush allowed Osama to be evacuated by heliocopter while American soldiers watched.
drunkenhausfrau:
The answer to your question is yes, anyone who votes can file a Federal Election Commission complaint. I’m not sure it is a good idea though since the FEC is not exactly a “voter friendly” agency. I think it would take heavy hitting legal talent and some money to press a complaint. But I do think there is a campaign law violation especially because we now have new FEC regulations which are not as afraid of taking on more subtle atempts of subverting the political process.
Although I’m not any expert on election law, the regs. (which are new) would point to this stunt by Disney-ABC is being a violation of 11 CFR 114.2 and 109.22 prohibiting corporations from making and political parties from coordinating communications. This “gopudrama” seems to fall within the definition of “generic campaign activity” (11 Code of Federal regulations 100.25) meaning “a public communication that promotes or opposes a politial party and does not promoe or oppose a clearly identified Federal candidate or non-Federal candidate.” A good case can be made that it meets the definition of a “coordinated communication” in 11 CFR 109.21 because it is “targeted to voters in a jurisdiction (the USA) in which one or more candidates of the political party appear on the ballot.” Everything that has been printed about this piece points to it promoting the Republican party as “strong” against terrorists and opposes the Democratic Party as being “weak” or “appeasers” just like Karl Rove’s playbook says.
I hope Howard Dean and the DNC do not wait to take this thing on. Kerry waited to attack the Swift-Boat Veterans and it hurt his campaign. Filing an FEC complaint could do a great deal to show Democrats are not going allow networks to play partisan politics without paying a price. It would also allow the message that can expose it for the propaganda that it is. Disney-ABC could be subject to fines and penalties and the Republican party could be required to report the 6 hour free political ad (for that is was it is) as an “in kind campaign contribution.” The regs. are very complex and tricky and my observation is the FEC tries to dismiss (or find “no reason to believe”) a violation if they can.
I think the best way of combatting this kind of deceitful and insidious propagandizing is just what is going on here with people getting energized and calling the heads of these corporations to account and appealing to local school districts to challenge this deal. But we also need to pullwhatver legal chains are available to increase the pressure and the heat.
twolf1. I find it amusing that MSNBC is not carrying this BS, Only on CNN
chimpy in ATL – we’re stoppin terrists frum hurtin murika again
*i always wanted someone to put together a MST3K type thing for chimpy’s speeches with colbert, stewart and maher.
To creeping turtle: I did read the Dworkin piece just now. Very interesting. Some say, the truth will set you free. However, if you are not given the facts, the whole truth, how can one determine correctly who to vote for?
Pam in SC @ 132
yeah, i noticed that too. funny
Dear Mr. Chapman:
I read your article in the Chicago Tribune today, and I have to say that you won’t find many liberal and progressive citizens who criticize Patrick Fitzgerald. That is just spin. A very large number of us have been following this investigation very carefully, and are well informed in the public facts of this case (both through the court filings and through other sources). The concensus among us is that Patrick Fitzgerald is doing his JOB, and will not bring charges that he cannot prove…but we think he can prove a lot. We take the current swift-boating of Mr. Fitzgerald as a sign that he may be ready to issue indictments. The Mighty Wurlitzer of the NeoCons is in high gear to slander and smear Fitzgerald, and they wouldn’t be if they weren’t very worried.
Just saying.
**Woops**…this paste above was on my clipboard…but it’s pertinent to another discussion and is the e-mail I sent Mr. Chapman at the Tribune.
victoria2dc @ 70
There is open house at my son’s school tonight…a perfect opportunity, and I’ve already got my package together to give the principal and his history teacher.
raw story -Court rules against voter-supervised election: Developing…
chimpy in ATL – if the airline security measures we now have in place were in place before 9/11, it would have made it harder for the terrists… uhhh… no shit
Nancy Wall @ 134
chimpy in ATL – 9/11 lifted veil on threat that is more broaderester than the attack of that day.
LSchaefer@Scholastic.com
MAtwater@Scholastic.com
CNobel@Scholastic.com
GHymowitz@Scholastic.com
MMcGuire@Scholastic.com
some people to have a little cyber-chat with…
Sorry. Second time I put words in your mouth. But I hope the gist came through.
dubya praising Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.
chimpy in ATL – shorter chimp – iraq is not a diversion
chimpy in ATL – war drums on iran now. IRAN MUST NOT obtain a nookulur weapon. big applauds.
from a poster on TP:
URGENT!!!!
Just got off the phone with Ms. Kyle Good, VP of Corporate Communications at Scholastic. They have pulled the material and are meeting shortly to discuss what to do. They know there are many materials already out there and are discussing what to do or how to deal with it.
Please call their offices right now (10:55 AM – Eastern Time).
Contact Us
For comments or questions concerning Scholastic products or services, please contact:
Investor Relations
212-343-6741
Corporate Communications
(Kyle Good’s office)
212-343-4563
dubya: the free world must support young democracies!
uh, what about Palestine and Lebanon?
trueblue @ 146
Wow! That’s great news. Please, please, please, DO send them the link to Dworkin’s topical article in NYRB: “Three Questions for America.” [http://www.nybooks.com/articles/19271].
Strike while the iron is hot!
chimpy in ATL – first time i heard bush say “beanie babies”
if we pull out of iraq, the terrists will follow us home
we will stay, we will fight, and we will win in iraq – much applauding
chimpy in ATL – war ton terr is just in it’s opening stages
chimpy in ATL – gone on offense against enemies and transformed enemies in to allies.
chimpy in ATL – Speech ends the same as it did yesterday: “And we’re fighting for a peaceful future for our children and our grandchildren.”
Does anyone remember the speech where Bush said that the history books in our schools should be rewriten, This film on the path to 9/11 and the connection with schools seems just that. I would love to look at that clip again, if anyone remembers it
To creeping turtle: No doubt when in a minority one needs to have more courage, peer opinion means so much to kids. I’ve had my End The War signs at the end of my driveway. My daughter would be embarrassed getting off the bus. I was proud to state my view, even when it wasn’t popular. I think you must have been a great instructor in high school. I’m a former educator in elementary ed..
I just called Scholastic Communications. Their email is “news@scholastic.com.” I’ll forward my musings. The guy seemed receptive, so feel free to join in.
Thanks for the contact info, trueblue.
My next call is to Hillary to see what she’s planning to do as a counter to the docufarce.
Called our local ABC affiliate to protest. Told them I will be blocking their station on our family TV if they air this travesty. The woman at the station recommended contacting Disney at this number:
Disney: 1-818-560-1000
You will get a live operator. Tell them you want to leave a comment about Path to 9/11. Ask for the direct comment line so you do not end up in voice-mail hell.
As a mom of two (Disney-mad) kids, I figure Disney should hear that I’m mad as hell and not gonna take it anymore (and not gonna pass any more bucks their way until they change their ways.) I urge any other angry moms out there to do the same.
Will send email to Scholastic too, thanks trueblue and creeping turtle.
Nancy Wall @ 154
Full disclosure: I taught philosophy in more places than I care to recall. One was in West Lafayette, IN. It was quite a job getting them to see through Locke’s theory of property, but who knows? Maybe I did some good. Hard to do follow-up studies.
You can’t get through a constitutional crisis without seeing it for what it is. To me that’s what was wrong with Kerry’s 2004 campaign and what’s wrong with the Democratic strategy. They keep thinking in “normal politics” mode. If only it were so.
As noted earlier, I’m sending stuff to Scholastic Communications. They seem to be off the wrong path. Hope they can do some lateral thinking.
Thanks for the good word.
Correction: My kid was 13 when she said what she did. And you never know where courage will come from. But it needs words (that’s the point about Newspeak).
They would have gotten away with it too if it weren’t for you meddling kids.
Seriously though, it just goes to show you how precious and valuable our freedoms are and why they should always be protected tooth and nail. The news media USED to be the ones who did that, now of course they are more of a tool – lazy, over paid and appreciative of the “access” and perks afforded them. This administration and a major company would have gotten away with rewriting history.
Thanks Katerina, I’ll be calling Disney too, I’ve got 3 grandkids and one at home, no more Disney dollars.
carolyn urban @
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This is GREAT!! I’m going to check that link.
We need to bring pressure on ABC/Disney and Scholastic’s SPONSORS. Hit them in their pocketbooks!!
If anyone has more sponsor contact info please post it here! I’m ready to start calling and emailing!
Who’s with me???!!
I called the Scholastic phone number and got the same reference to news@scholastic.com. The woman I talked to was receptive.
Send an email to them. The woman assured me that Scholastic is reading every email.
Also: if you have kids, mention that fact. Scholastic is HUGE in school library systems and they count on the Scholastic Book Fairs held yearly at schools, for a heap of their revenue. I told them that I will not support the fair (I volunteer there each year at my girls’ school) nor buy their books if they distribute the miniseries.
from the thread upstairs:
Ed*ard Teller @
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Scarecrow,
Anything that makes you more productive is certainly my pleasure to provide.
And don’t forget to call your local school board. While you’re at it, call your local school(s)!
(I wish I could say the idea was original. Someone threw that out last night on Kos thread.)
This is especially important since Scholastic is now saying that some of the materials are already in the hands of the schools.
Can someone tell me what is keeping Bill Clinton and Sandy Berger and Madeleine ALbright from filing the largest defamation of character lawsuit in American history against ABC, Disney, Scholastic and Tom Kean?
The mere threat of something like this would stop this in its tracks toot sweet.
Alan Bisbort @ 166
I like. A page from John Dean, who made it clear at the Book Salon that he always keeps the threat at his ready. It’s always a mystery to me why no one on the left ever steps in when the right busts the limits of NY Times v. Sullivan. Instead the Randi Rhodeses of the world are forever being sued and having to defend themselves as defendants.
Here’s what my local ABC station had to say:
“WAOW-TV will pass along your comments to the ABC TV network. While WAOW-TV is an ABC affiliate, we don’t have any control over what programs ABC-TV chooses to air. There is very little that WAOW-TV can do to stop this program from airing on our station. As an ABC affiliate we are contractually bound to air their programming, except for a few preemptions that we have for airing Packers football and WIAA sports programs.”
Posture @ 168
I’d snail mail a cc to George Mitchell and Steve Jobs just to close the corporate loop, or should I say Moebius strip.
Thinkprogress reported the scholastic links up but I checked and they are down. Scholastic knows they have a firestorm here. In a comment on DKos, SanJoseLady reports that Kyle Good, the author of the form email many of us have received actually CALLED HER. That is big.
On a separate note, referrring to the lead comment on the secret prisons, apparently Bush was interviewed by Katie Couric yesterday and actually said that one of his hardest jobs was connecting Iraq to the War on terror! This was repeated on the Keeping it Real with Will and Willie show here in the bay area. Did anyone get that feed? Spectacular!
Scholastic — Propagandists to the President.
Alan Bisbort @ 166
Well the program hasn’t actually been broadcast yet. IANAL, but I’d imagine that has something to do with it.
CORRECTION: I believe it has aired on the BBC in the UK…of course there may be some jurisdiction issues, but I dunno.
As of yesterday, Scholastic was still planning to peddle its ‘fair and balanced’ teacher guide to the egregious ABC movie.
Suggest you POLITELY remind Scholastic that we don’t want this type of rewriting of history peddled to our children: news at scholastic.com
If your school district buys Scholastic books — ask them to complain to the Scholastic administration and offer to stop buying books from such a biased publisher. That’s where the pressure affects the bottom line.
A Scholastic VP responded to my complaint about the film yesterday:
When Scholastic gets all the returns from educators, they can foward them on to that good christian business run by the clusterfucks brother Neil.
msnbc says statement from ABC as to what they are going to do about path to 9/11 shortly
I wish there was some way for the Democrats to put a “hold” on the legislation the President is asking for in his speeches yesterday and today.
They could say ” Our national security is too important to have anyone suggest that politics has played a role in what we do here. Therefore, we suggest the gravity and importance of these bills demands us to wait until after the fall election for this important debate. The “terrorists” have waited for years in secret prisons–another few months won’t matter to them since Guantanomo as stated by the President is so much better than any other country with good meals and medical care.
The reputation and values of our country depends on us getting this bill right and we
definitely do not want the election politics to cause us to make hurried and bad decisions.”
Wouldn’t it be wonderful is we could start a grassroots campaign to our legislators to achieve this postponement? Oh well, I can dream can’t I?
another mystery solved involving willful public deceit.
From “the Carpetbagger”, Sept 7, 2006:
[New Jersey’s closely-watched Senate race continues to go back and forth, and in the latest poll, it’s the Republican on the upswing. The latest Rasmussen poll shows state Senator Tom Kean Jr. (R) leading Sen. Bob Menendez (D), 44% to 39%. Unfortunately, however, a considerable part of the state still seems confused about the difference between Tom Kean Jr. and Tom Kean Sr.]
the above item on the new jersey senate race
confirms a suspicion of mine that tom keane, pere, is sticking with the abc/disney movie “path to 9/11″
solely to help his son’s election campaign.
its clear from his public statements that kean, sr. knows that the movie is misleading but he sidesteps that issue, playing dumb about the movies’ factual specifics.
aside:
if i were mendendez, i would go after this aggressively –
tom keane, sr. a former public official (co-chair of the 9/11 commission, governor of new jersey)
with a responsibility to the nation and new jersey to be truthful about the sept 11, 2001 attack,
instead, looking the other way at lies in a right-wing propaganda movie
in order to benefit a family member.
would a democratic candidate these days have the guts to challenge in this manner behavior like keane’s?
of course not.
Called Hillary’s office in DC. Vented about “The Path to 9/11″ per Ben-Veniste. Also about Scholastic. I said she’s could give a piece of her mind given what she knows about the 9/11 Commission Report and the Target-in-Chief, ie Bill.
The response: No decision what to do as yet. But I didn’t hit them from out of the blue. Something may be coming from her, maybe in 6 days, 6 weeks … I doubt 6 months.
Whether or not a NYer, you can weigh in at 202-224-4451.
There’s some PDFs of great articles written by Will Pitt debunking ABC’s mockumentary here:
http://www.democraticundergrou…..15;2067300
Perfect for printing, xeroxing and dropping around your area… or handing to your child’s teacher/principal at school…
FLASH!!!!!!
A letter from Bill Clinton’s attorney, Bruce Lindsey, to ABC chief Bob Iger protesting the 9/11 GOPudrama has been obtained by TPM Cafe and is here.
Heh. When I read the last paragraph of his article (bold emphasis mine), all I could think was, “Why is he bringing up Lieberman at a time like this?”
For that evidence, we should thank the much-maligned Fitzgerald, whose sole sin is doing his job conscientiously. But the only people who are grateful are those who put truth and accountability above their own narrow interests. And in Washington, that may be a party of one.
anon @
40
Corrected link here for Clinton Lawyer’s Letter
Creeping Truth @
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This, by the way, is how one lays the foundation for a libel action. ABC will have taken notice. Btw, the cc’s include George Mitchell.
Excellent point, Kraftysue… I could almost adjust my tinfoil hat to believe that this whole “Path to 9/11″ crap was a diversion planned to take our attention away from the legislation. Or, vice versa.
kraftysue @
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Thanks to Eric Boehlert, I was given a link to some ABC sponsors.
Please try to contact at least some of these people and let them know we will not support their products, company or anything to do with the 9/11 “docu-drama”
Thanks!
j.cro
http://birdoblog.birdobot.com/disney_propaganda
Could some one please post phone numbers for ABC / Disney? I cannot believe there are not phone numbers posted for this . Not on Kos, THP, Raw Story, etc. BTW, the new comment “feature” is quite confusing. In addition, everytime you click on a function, it tkaes forever to load.
trueblue @ 141
trueblue @ 141
Can you provide aphone number for others to call?
Katerina @
156
Dewey at 186 — will this do:
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..sed-to-it/
Damn, I keep getting deleted from FDL… how can this be happening? Every opinion counts; I just want to see if folks would like to see the movie with me…
Wow! You left-wing loonies live in a parallel universe! You guys would make make great comedy if not you were so dangerous to this country!