
David Corn had a doozy of a revelation yesterday -- on his blog and in an article in The Nation -- regarding Valerie Plame Wilson and her CIA role.
She was operations chief of the Joint Task Force on Iraq, a unit of the Counterproliferation Division of the clandestine Directorate of Operations. For the two years prior to her outing, Valerie Wilson worked to gather intelligence that would support the Bush White House's assertion that Saddam Hussein's Iraq was loaded with WMDs. This means that Armitage--as well as Karl Rove and Scooter Libby--leaked classified information about a CIA officer whose job it had been to look for evidence of Saddam's WMD programs. During this part of her career, Valerie Wilson traveled overseas to monitor operations she and her staff at JTFI were mounting. She was no analyst, no desk-jockey, no paper-pusher. She was an undercover officer in charge of running critical covert operations.
I've taken some time to sift through the particulars a bit, and contemplate the angles and implications. But I keep coming back to a segment of the Corn article in The Nation that needs to be highlighted:
But that summer--before 9/11--word came down from the brass: We're ramping up on Iraq. Her unit was expanded and renamed the Joint Task Force on Iraq. Within months of 9/11, the JTFI grew to fifty or so employees. Valerie Wilson was placed in charge of its operations group.There was great pressure on the JTFI to deliver. Its primary target was Iraqi scientists. JTFI officers, under Wilson's supervision, tracked down relatives, students and associates of Iraqi scientists--in America and abroad--looking for potential sources. They encouraged Iraqi émigrés to visit Iraq and put questions to relatives of interest to the CIA. The JTFI was also handling walk-ins around the world. Increasingly, Iraqi defectors were showing up at Western embassies claiming they had information on Saddam's WMDs. JTFI officers traveled throughout the world to debrief them. Often it would take a JTFI officer only a few minutes to conclude someone was pulling a con. Yet every lead had to be checked.
"We knew nothing about what was going on in Iraq," a CIA official recalled. "We were way behind the eight ball. We had to look under every rock." Wilson, too, occasionally flew overseas to monitor operations. She also went to Jordan to work with Jordanian intelligence officials who had intercepted a shipment of aluminum tubes heading to Iraq that CIA analysts were claiming--wrongly--were for a nuclear weapons program. (The analysts rolled over the government's top nuclear experts, who had concluded the tubes were not destined for a nuclear program.)
The JTFI found nothing. The few scientists it managed to reach insisted Saddam had no WMD programs. Task force officers sent reports detailing the denials into the CIA bureaucracy. The defectors were duds--fabricators and embellishers. (JTFI officials came to suspect that some had been sent their way by Ahmad Chalabi's Iraqi National Congress, an exile group that desired a US invasion of Iraq.) The results were frustrating for the officers. Were they not doing their job well enough--or did Saddam not have an arsenal of unconventional weapons? Valerie Wilson and other JTFI officers were almost too overwhelmed to consider the possibility that their small number of operations was, in a way, coming up with the correct answer: There was no intelligence to find on Saddam's WMDs because the weapons did not exist. Still, she and her colleagues kept looking. (She also assisted operations involving Iran and WMDs.)
Did you catch it? The JTFI was ramped up several months before 9/11 even occurred. Well, THAT is new, isn't it? I do not recall that ever being discussed in any of the Senate Intel reports or the 9/11 Commission report or anywhere else for that matter. Does anyone else? I spent a little time yesterday going back through my notes and some of the documents, and I cannot find a reference to this pre-9/11 ramp up on Iraq at the CIA anywhere. Anyone find a reference to that anywhere that I may have missed -- if so, please share it.
Just how many trips to the CIA did Dick Cheney, Scooter Libby and David Addington make prior to 9/11 asking about Iraq, pushing analysts toward conclusions that they wanted? How much of that information that Judy Miller was gleefully printing up in the NYTimes during this period came from Chalabi and the Cheney cabal in an effort to push the JTFI to back them up? Why is Pat Roberts still sitting on Phase II of the Intel Report -- reportedly at Dick Cheney's urging -- and how complicit has Pat Roberts been in all of this? What don't they want us to know?
When the Novak column ran, Valerie Wilson was in the process of changing her clandestine status from NOC to official cover, as she prepared for a new job in personnel management. Her aim, she told colleagues, was to put in time as an administrator--to rise up a notch or two--and then return to secret operations. But with her cover blown, she could never be undercover again. Moreover, she would now be pulled into the partisan warfare of Washington. As a CIA employee still sworn to secrecy, she wasn't able to explain publicly that she had spent nearly two years searching for evidence to support the Administration's justification for war and had come up empty.
Ginning up a war, before the 9/11 attacks had even occurred, before the Twin Towers fell, but because they simply wanted war with Iraq...but they never wanted any of us to find out about their rush to Baghdad starting in that summer of 2001. At least, not until we were already there.
Digby had some thoughts on this yesterday well worth considering:
Armitage may have just been a gossipy little busybody from way back, but that doesn't explain LIbby and Judy and Rove and Cooper or the "two senior administration officials" who tried to get the Washington Post to print that Wilson's CIA "wife" had sent Wilson on a "boondoggle." Rove said she was "fair game." You simply cannot persuade me that every last person involved in this did not know that the head of the Joint Task Force on Iraq's WMD at the CIA in 2003 was the person they were busy making sure was publicly outed.Wilson scared the hell out of them because they knew who his wife was and knew what she knew. This is about Cheney and the CIA, whom he and all the neocons have thought were a bunch of liberal appeasers for decades because they have so often failed to back up the wingnuts' most fanciful, paranoid wet dreams about the boogeyman of the day --- wet dreams, by the way, which were always, everytime, proven false in the end.
In the end, this has always been about shutting up every critic of the Bush Administration, through whatever means were necessary, so that they could continue to do whatever they damn well pleased, and the hell with the consequences and the petty little laws and regulations.
How many other Washington power couples know things that they are now keeping to themselves about the Bush Administration's illegal, immoral, or otherwise indefensible actions because of the payback exacted on Joe Wilson for calling the President on his public lie in the State of the Union? The President stood before Congress and spoke those sixteen words that he had been told well beforehand were false and unsubstantiated -- and he and his cronies and surrogate mouthpieces have spent years now trying to keep the genie in the bottle on the facts surrounding those words and all the other lies.
It's funny that the facts keep dribbling out anyway.
Emptywheel has done an amazing dissection of this news over at Next Hurrah, and I encourage everyone to go and read it, if you haven't done so already. But I still keep going back in my mind, over and over again -- they ramped up the JTFI the summer BEFORE 9/11, just a few months (5? 6?) after George Bush took office in January of 2001.
How long had this war with Iraq been on the planning table for George Bush and Dick Cheney? Before Bush was ever elected President? How far were they willing to go to get it -- was there some triggering event that caused them to be more concerned about Iraq that led to this ramp up, or was this put in motion from the moment Bush took the oath of office as President as some personal payback for Saddam Hussein or as a means for Junior to prove he was more of a man than his dad because he'd go all the way to Baghdad? What was the motivation behind ramping up for war with Iraq during the summer of 2001?
And why haven't the press and the Congress been asking these questions all along?
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Valerie!
Whoa! The coveted ). Now I go read the article. Fresh Plame and coffee, yeah!
Hola!
How far were they willing to go to get it…?
Far enough to ignore warnings of planes hitting towers and killing Americans.
But its all Bill Clinton’s fault.
-GFO
Kind of makes all the right wing talking heads that called her a desk jockey and said she wasn’t even undercover look stupid doesn’t it. Hannity, Limpballs, Savage, I’m talking about you.
But thanks to shrub, Bin-Laden is a free man:
http://allspinzone.com/blog/index.php?itemid=3306
ckerst @ 7
It would if reality meant anything to them. 65% of rethugs(claim to) believe Saddam was involved in 9/11. Shows you how little they care about facts.
“A New Pearl Harbor”
Two years ago a project set up by the men who now surround George W Bush said what America needed was “a new Pearl Harbor.” Its published aims have, alarmingly, come true.
By John Pilger
New Statesman
December 16, 2002
The threat posed by US terrorism to the security of nations and individuals was outlined in prophetic detail in a document written more than two years ago and disclosed only recently. What was needed for America to dominate much of humanity and the world’s resources, it said, was “some catastrophic and catalysing event – like a new Pearl Harbor”. The attacks of 11 September 2001 provided the “new Pearl Harbor”, described as “the opportunity of ages”. The extremists who have since exploited 11 September come from the era of Ronald Reagan, when far-right groups and “think-tanks” were established to avenge the American “defeat” in Vietnam. In the 1990s, there was an added agenda: to justify the denial of a “peace dividend” following the cold war. The Project for the New American Century was formed, along with the American Enterprise Institute, the Hudson Institute and others that have since merged the ambitions of the Reagan administration with those of the current Bush regime.
One of George W Bush’s “thinkers” is Richard Perle. I interviewed Perle when he was advising Reagan; and when he spoke about “total war”, I mistakenly dismissed him as mad. He recently used the term again in describing America’s “war on terror”. “No stages,” he said. “This is total war. We are fighting a variety of enemies. There are lots of them out there. All this talk about first we are going to do Afghanistan, then we will do Iraq… this is entirely the wrong way to go about it. If we just let our vision of the world go forth, and we embrace it entirely and we don’t try to piece together clever diplomacy, but just wage a total war… our children will sing great songs about us years from now.”
Perle is one of the founders of the Project for the New American Century, the PNAC. Other founders include Dick Cheney, now vice-president, Donald Rumsfeld, defence secretary, Paul Wolfowitz, deputy defence secretary, I Lewis Libby, Cheney’s chief of staff, William J Bennett, Reagan’s education secretary, and Zalmay Khalilzad, Bush’s ambassador to Afghanistan. These are the modern chartists of American terrorism. The PNAC’s seminal report, Rebuilding America’s Defences: strategy, forces and resources for a new century, was a blueprint of American aims in all but name. Two years ago it recommended an increase in arms-spending by $48bn so that Washington could “fight and win multiple, simultaneous major theatre wars”. This has happened. It said the United States should develop “bunker-buster” nuclear weapons and make “star wars” a national priority. This is happening. It said that, in the event of Bush taking power, Iraq should be a target. And so it is.
rest of the article is online here
http://www.ifamericansknew.org.....ilger.html
Dadhusker @
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ABC - Pakistan Denies Bin Laden Gets a Pass
“If he is in Pakistan, today or any time later, he will be taken into custody and brought to justice,” the Pakistani ambassador to the United States, Mahmud Ali Durrani, said in a statement.
Thanks Redd. I read the whole Nation article yesterday and did not catch the significance of what you pointed out. (I must read more carefully!)
Breathtaking!
No wonder they are trying to re-write history and have financed (my guess) the Disney network to present it for them.
We’ve known all along from Paul O’Neil’s book and Richard Clarke that they had Iraq in their sights before 9/11.
The only way we’ll ever know the whole story on the Plame affair is for CIA insiders to talk. May never happen.
NY Times editorial today (want Fitz to put up or shut down):
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09.....6wed2.html
It seems like the real story is the silencing of the WMD investigators like Valerie Plame who had found no evidence of WMDs in Iraq. This was far more embarrassing to the administration and potentially more explosive than the question of when they actually began their investigation.
Christy, do you have any idea how Corn got this information? I’m wondering who his sources are and whether all this information has been declassified. Anyone know?
I read emptywheel and I didn’t pick up any hint there. But perhaps I’ve just missed something because I’ve been trying to keep up with so many different stories these nut cases are creating.
so I/m a little lost, before I cna go with this I have to find out how her work in Iran coordinates with the work in Iraq
it doesn’t seem likely, more likely, one story or the other is an exageration
HotFlash You still here?
OT w apologies
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nosleeplastnight
sonny made it to finals yestidie
crossedfingerstime today
(last time, 70 were “allowed” just to show up in person, & only one is chosen in these things)
nofingernailshere…..
lina at 14 — I agree that we knew that they were looking at Iraq. But this was the first that I can recall hearing that the JTFI was staffed up from a handful to 50 personnel in the summer of 2001. That’s a huge step, not just with staffing but with intent. Does anyone know of any other mention of this prior to Corn’s article yesterday?
This is fucking huge. Too bad the crocodile hunter had to die and hog all the traditional media coverage. Oh, that’s right: they don’t give a shit.
I’m still convinced that Valerie Plame was just a desk jockey, and that she wasn’t covert, and that her husband outed her, and that if she was covert why was her name in Who’s Who? And everybody knew Joe Wilson had a wife, so what’s the big deal?
We have known for quite some time that the first order of business for the Bush/Cheney administration was to figure out a way to justify invading Iraq. We’ve known that, from 9/11 itself, Rumsfeld wanted to attack Iraq.
“It’s funny that the facts keep dribbling out anyway.”
It sure is, yesterday while reading Glenn Greenwald I almost fell off the chair when Cuba was named to the list of terrorist nations. But after I had a moment to digest that fact, I realized that it explained the so called need for wireless taps at the same time. There must be intelligence out there for a Cuba-middle east connection otherwise why would they need to listen in on literally millions of Cubans conversations? Who else but Bush would worry about a nuke coming in on a raft?
Nice spotting the nugget, Christy. Now segue to the FBI supervisor, subsequently promoted, who blocked several efforts to connect the dots on Near Eastern guys learning to fly, and W’s preoccupation with brush-clearing despite the famous August PDB whose title (can’t ask the Chimp to listen to more than titles can we?) BenVeniste had to pry out of Condi, and … well, hmm.
Keep pulling on that thread. Who knows, the whole garment could come apart.
Cheers and thanks to you, Jane and the rest.
meta at 16 — I don’t know who Corn’s sources were on this. He mentions “former CIA officer” in the Nation article at least once, as I recall. But that could be any number of people, either on the JTFI or related areas, or beyond.
Oh, and the Times knows diddly about what Fitz is up to, so they should stop pretending that they do.
Christy, I would bet dollars to donuts that if you go back and do a Lexus-Nexus search, you will find the number of articles in the news retlated to Iraq increased significantly between the end of the Clinton Administration and 9/11. Then there was a hiatus during the 9/11 aftermath and the Afghanistan War. Then Iraq pops back up. I remember that summer well. The Wurlitzer was getting primed for Iraq and got interrupted. Go ahead, get some data and graph it by week from January 2000 to March 2003. You will see that the Clintonistas were not all that worried about Iraq. It wasn’t until the Bushies came into office that it suddenly became a hot topic AND it started well before 9/11. Go ahead, I’ll wait. I don’t have access to those databases but I know I’m right about this. It was one of the reasons I never believed a word they said about Iraq. I knew they wanted to go in before 9/11 and they were just looking for an excuse.
Gives a whole new meaning to Snakes on a Plame.
This regime is the most criminally corrupt bunch beings ever known.
I cant label them human.
lina @ 14
sad to say, I think fitz has drank the kool aid, I have lost faith
his information is VITAL to our national security, and HE KNOWS IT, the longer he keeps his findings under secret, the longer people that are in the administration get untethered access to vital information and put this nation at peril
fits KNOWS THIS.
it DOES NOT make any kind of sense he is withholding this information for the sake of his investigation.
he needs to tell us what’s been going on, he needs to bring the people responsible to justice, he needs to go public and he needs to do it IMMEDIATELY
he needs to go on record, under oath, if necessary in front of the secrets committee, but he MUST get the American public this information and HE HAS TO DO IT NOW
lina @
14
Thanks for this link, lina. I just read this puff piece. They’re still defending St Jude, and they think the investigation has gone on too long. How would they know? Sounds like they’ve joined the chorus.
FYI everyone — I hear that Sen. Chris Dodd will be speaking on the floor of the Senate in opposition to the Bolton nomination to the UN around 10:15 am this morning.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 19
I’m with Meta. How did Corn get this info?
I’ve never read anywhere about Valerie’s job other than she was in D. of O. (which, btw, RichD, was a clue to anyone in government that she was clandestine).
Christy,
Think they’re gonna block The Moustache?
please don’t pick on snakes, folks.
“subhuman” should be sufficient *g*
disclaimer: I’m not a moderator. just play one occasionally with limited expectations & success.
Golly gee, why would the Bush Administration want to poke out the eye on Iraq giving them solid HUMINT prior to committing the country to a war of choice?
‘This is my thesis — the public has a short memory and, like– How many people remember, a couple of years ago, when the Earth blew up? How many people? See? So few people remember. And you would think that something like that, people would remember. But NOOO! You don’t remember that? The Earth blew up and was completely destroyed? And we escaped to this planet on the giant Space Ark? Where have you people been? And the government decided not to tell the stupider people ’cause they thought that it might affect-…Ohhhh!‘
;>)
Oh, boy…could this plot get any thicker?
So…anyone else thinking that it was this planning for “regime change” in Iraq that diverted their attention away from the growing threat from bin Laden…or – tinfoil hat time – is there any thought that by deliberately downplaying the stuff that had Tenet’s hair on fire, they could possibly have been hoping for something to happen that would give them all the cover and excuse they needed to implement their plans?
Now we find out that while we always knew Valerie Plame Wilson wasn’t just the desk jockey she’s been portrayed as being, her real role and expertise were in directing the operations to gather intelligence that would be used to support an action against Iraq. Intelligence that she knew very well did not support the agenda that was being pushed. I guess we will never know what might have happened if Joe Wilson had never been tasked with looking into the yellowcake story, but Cheney and the boys must have been ecstatic when they realized they might be able to neutralize two problems – Joe’s debunking of the yellowcake story, and Valerie’s knowledge on non-existent Iraqi WMD.
An administration that would go to these lengths to advance an agenda, an administration that has learned no lessons from the terrible decisions it has made (hard to learn any lessons when no one holds you accountable and the price you pay is to keep winning elections), is not going to stop marching forward toward Iran. These speeches and the constant invocation of Hitler and Stalin and others make the hair on my arms stand up. I pray that the majority of Americans have made up their minds that this is nothing but propaganda, and have tuned out on this constant attempt to re-frame a disastrous policy.
These people have to be stopped, and the only way to do it is to take control of both houses of Congress – to start.
I would say within 24 hours of Cheney naming himself as the VP candidate. It is making more and more sense now — W’s way of trumping his father, and the neocons were right there because they knew Bush was such an easy mark.
NYTimes - what are you trying to stop Fitzgerald from discovering?
I suspect this may have to do with Miller and the Times’ reputation.
me to me @ 17
BUMP
anyone have any input please?
Oh, and tommy yum - let’s not forget that we are finally, at long last, getting to see pictures of Suri Cruise (who I have to admit is a beautiful baby)…
AMEN!!!
Christy Hardin Smith @
24
Thanks, Christy. These days I’m always trying to figure out who wants this or that story out because you never know.
I also have a basic question about classification. I’m wondering about the details of going from NOC to official cover. I thought I knew what NOC meant, but now I”m not so sure. In other words, going from not covered to covered - what does that mean for Valerie in terms of capability to “spy” since she would need to have her identity protected under either classification, no? Would she only be able to do her best work as a NOC? Maybe I’m not even asking the right questions, but I’m a bit confused on this.
I don’t understand why Corn didn’t lead with this nugget as the book teaser.
Anne @ 39
I’m sorry. What came over me? I guess I just lost my head a little. Mmmm…this soylent green is delicious!
I must not think bad thoughts.
Christy, I just did a Google search and then a Google News search for these words:
and in my quick read-through I also saw nothing.
But I also wonder whether David Corn has the correct name for the body inside the CIA, when he writes
JTFI appears to have been a name applied before the invasion of Iraq for the military structure. It was also used in Italy (Joint Task Force Italy).
But what would be “joint” about a group of analysts in the Director of Operations? And why would the term “task force” be used? It’s a small point, but I am just wondering.
me to me @ 28
I’m not so sure he’s a kool aid consumer, but I do think he has a very narrow view of his purpose in life, i.e., law enforcement.
Saving the country from a corrupt regime is not in his job description. He feels no obligation to inform anyone of anything beyond his jurisdiction. He works for DOJ. If they want to publicly explain this case, they should have at it.
OT
I posted yesterday that abc was accepting comments againg on their 9/11 blog
I also posted my response, cut and paste, as everyone could see, completely civil.
so it says posts are moderated and it might take a few minutes to get posted
anyway, that was yesterday and my post is still not on the blog
liars
Not to mention “the will of the people.”
Christy, Thanks for all of your hard work keeping this story alive at Firedog. As a fiction writer, I’m obsessed with motive, and that is exactly what David Corn has nailed. I fear there is little doubt left that the administration, at the very least, allowed 9/11 to happen. Having watched Fahrenheit 9/11 many times, I have come to the conclusion that what Bush was conveying while sitting mute in that Florida classroom, was guilt. He is the very picture of a young child squirming under the gaze of parental scrutiny… hiding his secret.
*xyz @ 37
Miller and the Times’ rep have been in the sewer for some time now. That’d be like reviving a corpse.
me to me
post again, and so on, and so on, and so on *g*
Prof @ 44
I’m guessing that at least a couple of the 50 people involved were from other agencies, like the DOD’s Defense Intelligence Agency, the State Department’s Bureaue of Intelligence and Research, and possibly the Energy Department (for evaluating things like the aluminum tubes). CIA ran the show, but if you’ve got people from multiple agencies, it’s a “joint” task force.
Peterr @ 51
Point taken.
emptywheel has an opinion about Judy Miller’s role. The NYT still trying to salvage that last shred of their reputation. Please, hand me a kleenex.
OT- Yesterday Brian Lehrer of WNYC in NY asked folks to send in ideas for his 30 Issues in 30 Days segment he does before elections. I emailed him and suggested a story on voter suppression and the so called helping America Vote Act.
If anyone else in NY/NJ/CT would like to do the same his email is: brianlehrershow@wnyc.org
Cheers
IIRC, one of the points that Paul O’Neill made in The Price Of Loyalty was that the prospect of invading Iraq was discussed at the Cabinet level in the earliest weeks of the administration.
Recall that Paul O’Neill said in his book that Iraq was on the agenda at the first cabinet meeting he attended, in January of ‘01. (I don’t have the book in front of me; it may have been an NSC meeting.)
meta at 41 — Larry Johnson tells me that people switch back and forth quite frequently, depending on their status as administrators and then as operatives, because of career shifts, promotions, etc. It’s apparently fairly common practice within the CIA. I know that DIA agents do the same, just from my own work as a prosecutor — they just switch areas of operation on occasion if they are shifted into undercover work so that they are an unfamiliar face in the new area. I suspect the CIA has some history of shifting people’s base of operations as well.
And it is worth a reminder that Valerie’s name, her marriage, her family, all of that would not be secret at all. What was secret was that she worked for the CIA. All that would have been known was that Valerie worked for an energy company, a job that occasionally required a business trip, and that her husband Joe had been a US Ambassador, etc. The NOC status was the secret — the fact that Joe Wilson had a wife? I suspect everyone at the kids’ school’s PTA knew that. ;-) Which is kind of the whole point of being a NOC — you live your life, people know you, are comfortable with you, etc., which makes you even more effective at recruiting for the agency because your cover is who you are…it’s the CIA part that is the secret. (I just don’t get why this is so difficult to understand for some people. It’s like an undercover cop, but on a global scale.)
Thanks, Peterr. I was wondering the exact some thing.
I still think Corn is dealing with classified information. This is an important point because someone is STILL leaking!! Because Valerie got outed, does that mean that everything she was doing is now declassified? Of course not!
Mornin’ Christy,
am probably gonna fumble this but alarms were going off in my gut as I read Korn’s account -
keeping in mind the mountainous egos involved, AND Cheney’s standing MO to create an outside means to get at whatever he wants, I’m thinking this (her outing)wasn’t even about weapons - this was about having their Shakes the Informer line of humint exposed - how dare anyone mess with Dick’s personal set up ?!?!?
it would be right in line with these beasts - am not saying it wasn’t a crime, but weapons be damned, they’d spin that crap later, Plame was meddling with the forces of nature and had t/b stopped - this tragedy was nothng more than a fit of OVP pique
Reading Corn’s piece, along with emptywheel and Larry Johnson, I kept going back in my head to John Dean’s observation about Rumsfeld from the Book Salon thread:
With all the (appropriate) focus on Rove, Cheney, Addington, Armitage, and company, I keep seeing Rumsfeld’s fingerprints all over this mess, and Dean’s remarks only reinforce that. If Nixon and Halderman though Rummy was bad news, but he’s the cat’s whiskers in the Dubya White House . . . wow.
My understanding of being “non-official cover” is that if you are operating as an agent and are detained or arrested in a foreign country, the US government will not come to your rescue - you are totally on your own. That’s why being NOC is the most dangerous and secretive of the classifications.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 57
My uncle was a NOC - a fact no one beyond his wife knew until after his death - which was 25 years after his retirement. It is the trickiest and most expensive cover for the CIA to maintain.
meta @
41
NOC = nonofficial cover, with the same covert status as someone with offical cover.
Christy,
Any thoughts on todays NYT editorial on Fitz?
I would looove to hear them…
Thanx
Christy, I know that there have been people here linking things like PNAC and other “conspiracy” evidence pointing to Iraq invasion plans prior to the 2000 usurpation. This stuff has been floating around out there since the days immediately after 9-11. Rather than look into it with a critical mindset it was ignored and some of the commenters here even laughed and called it “conspiracy theories”. Well now that you have this snipet of evidence which you seem to give some weight to, why not google “project for a new American century” and see how deep the deception goes. It really is staggering - the brazen nature of this thing I mean. If ever something has been hidden in plain sight this is it. And after you read this macabre document, after you regain your composure, please come back and give a little credit to people who have been ridiculed for talking about this well known reality.
cbl @ 59
But Cheney knew Plame would never talk. He manipulated lots of people in the agency. I still believe Plame was collateral damage.
Per Christy:
This certainly goes back to PNAC (The Project to Establish a Fourth Reich). Also, it is consistent with the books by Richard Clark and by Paul O’Neil.
So, was the outing of Plame was only about Joe? Cheney was no doubt furious at Plame for her team’s inability to find corroborating evidence to support his hypothesis that Saddam was developing WMDs. Also for her unwillingness to support his theories in the absence of evidence. But at least he could sleep secure in the knowledge that she couldn’t spill the beans on lack of evidence for his theories. Cheney must have shit, when he found out that Joe Wilson was Plame’s husband and was going public with what she knew, i.e., that the administration was playing fast and loose with the available intelligence. And, because of his Africa trip, Joe had plausible deniability about spilling state secrets.
Recall that in his NYT op-ed, Wilson made a logical leap from ruling out a particular alledged uranium purchase to thinly veiled accusations of “selective use of intelligence”:
No doubt Cheney saw this as mutiny by Plame and her team.
cbl @ 59
How many (ex)employees of Halliburton do you think Cheney stepped on when they didn’t come up with the right answer? He didn’t give a second thought to destroying those who didn’t come up with the right answer. Plame was no more than another annoying gnat, but her husband was more like an aggravated hornet.
The tone of an organization is set at the top, and the organization over a relatively short period of time will reflect the attitudes of the leaders.
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 63
NOCs don’t travel with diplomatic passports. If they get caught spying in other countries, they get executed.
As Sidney Blumenthal put it “In the Cheney administration, the president is volatile but passive, firm but malleable, presiding but absent”
I don’t think the personal vindictiveness of George W. Bush is expressed in foreign policy. It is more likely Cheney and the gang had had enough of Saddam Hussein and his disrespect for the global superpower. So they decided to do house cleaning and put an end to the regime after dallying for a decade. But there were a number of disrespectful regimes in the region so they put them all on the schedule and decided to take care of them one by one.
A grand scheme to pacify the region.
All the rest is marketing. So they needed a narrative to sell the pacification scheme. 9/11 gave them the story of terrorism and they made up WMDs from speculation and the most anemic evidence. But it isn’t really lying because the Taliban, Saddam, the Syrians, Iranians and Palestinians are not our friends, if we have to suspect they are up to no good than they are already guilt. Anyway the media love a horror thriller.
citizensue @
48
This is so incredibly bonechilling. I’m ordinarily a person who is obsessed with logic, but when I read your post, it just had the ring of truth on the face of it. But to believe this means so many other horrid things that makes me feel ill.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 57
although the covert status is usually thought of in terms of “either covert or not”, that’s not the case, not even close
there are very distinct categories of covert that CIA operatives use, and not so distinct as well, there are layers and dynamics that most people don’t appreciate of covert opps and operatives…there’s an almost endless list of components.
Some cover is real thin and disposable, meaning a person could be enlisted for a particular opp, then once the opp is complete, their life continues as though they were never involved. Other forms of cover are so layered and deep that they even anticipate probing into the operative from every facet of a person’s life.
there are also somethings as thin as “works for the CIA but not undercover” while in fact that is their cover…this is something that EVERYONE misses
once one of these opps are exposed as being under cover, that’s the end of their effectiveness in that capacity and that cover is blown, this is apparently what happens when you switch from noc to official cover
Plame’s cover…she posed as a private energy consultant for Brewster Jennings & Associates.
I STILL want this brass plate company looked into by the blogospere
I would LOVE to find out just how much we lost in that asset alone, and I am VERY surprised there hasn’t been investigative research into this company
D. Mason @ 65
D,
PNAC is well known here at the Lake. I’ve never heard it described here (or any other blog I frequent) as being a conspiracy theory.
What does meet that requirement, however, are the various ideas that the administration knew about, or even participated in, the 9/11 attacks. These will only be conspiracies until there is sufficient evidence to confirm or deny them, which may never happen.
In my mind, it doesn’t matter whether the administration orchestrated the attacks or allowed them to happen out of total incompetence. The outcome is the same: they used the atrocity as a political cudgel, and made politcal hay by sowing fear.
Citizensue (48), I will no longer automatically dismiss the idea that this Administration allowed 9/11 to happen. When Bush received the news in the classroom, he may have been digesting the horror of what that evil plan had wrought. Then, quickly, on to Iraq….
me to me @
17
my last bump on this, I could use some help here please
Just heard on the news that today Bush will announce his plan to deal with prosecuting those held at Gitmo. Eh. This should be another can of worms.
Re: The NYT Editorial.
What a lot of people don’t seem to get is that Fitz doesn’t write reports. He prosecutes. And that’s pretty much all he does. He doesn’t leak to the press. He doesn’t report to Congress or the American people. He just prosecutes crimes.
As for the whining that his investigation is going on and on and on without really going anywhere, there’s a five-count felony indictment against the VP’s right-hand man. I’d call that a pretty big piece of progress.
Mornin’ Christy!
“How long had this war with Iraq been on the planning table for George Bush and Dick Cheney?…as a means for Junior to prove he was more of a man than his dad because he’d go all the way to Baghdad? What was the motivation behind ramping up for war with Iraq during the summer of 2001?”
It has been my view for years now that this war has its motivation in restoring the bruised egos and reputations of the Bush 1 Armchair Generals, particularly those egos of Cheney, Wolfowitz, and Perle.
These boys were the principal policy makers at the top of the Bush 1 Defense and State department food chains for the 1991 Gulf War.
All of those PNAC Bad Boys had front-row seats at the 1991 Gulf War table, and never did get to finish off Saddam in 1991 they way they wanted to ’cause Daddy Bush slapped them down at the closing of the Gulf War.
In the rather small and circumscribed aerie of the upper level of the Defense community, the back-biting and scathing innuendo are legendary.
For almost 10 years, those “wounded egos” endured the slights of being less than manly men for their failure to complete the act, a “premature ejaculation” if you will.
I remember reading books published after the close of the 1991 Gulf War where “insiders” eviscerated Cheney, Wolfowitz and Perle because they had vociferously agitated against stopping the 100 hour ground war and instead continuing to march to Baghdad and take down Saddam.
One of the “only” folks who counseled Bush 1 against such a folly was his then Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff - Colin Powell (Note: in doing so, Powell ran afoul of his then boss, Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney and the bad blood has continued ever since).
One should never substitute lofty rationale and logic when the basest of things - a man’s ego is involved.
mildly OT:
A commentor at Next Hurrah posted the following this morning:
“Chris Mathews ran a story on hardball, and the quote on there is that Fitz is NOW deciding if he’s going to press charges on Rove, but won’t comment for at least a week.”
Is that true? I have not heard this. If true, what was Mathews’ source?
Mad Dogs @ 78
Cheney was Sec Def during Bush I, and was emphatic that we not go into Baghdad.
me to me @ 72:
I think the damage assessment is pretty clear. Every soldier who dies in Iraq after she was exposed is a casualty of that action. They tried desperately hard to make everyone believe there were WMDs there even when all evidence showed that there was not. After she was exposed, there was no way for her to do her job effectively anymore. Therefore, no way to prove WMDs did not exist. Therefore, we had to continue to look for them. Therefore, we occupied a country that had no WMDs.
You know the rest.
“How many other Washington power couples know things that they are now keeping to themselves about the Bush Administration’s illegal, immoral, or otherwise indefensible actions because of the payback exacted on Joe Wilson for calling the President on his public lie in the State of the Union?”
How many indeed, and why are they still holding back? Has Valerie Plame or Joe Wilson been assassinated by Karl Rove-sponsored death squads? No. Are they or any of the other whistleblowers who have come forward in danger of plummeting into poverty because of it? I doubt it. So what if they lose their positions? They should tell the freaking truth about these people now, not 10 years from now when it will be far too late.
I don’t understand what they’re afraid of.
me to me at 75 — one connection might be the Chalabi/Iran alleged connection — if Valerie were running a string of WMD assets, there may have been some overlap via the INC on Iran and Iraq, if Chalabi was, indeed, playing both sides against the middle. Tribal affiliations and religious sect allegiance can run deeply, beyond the artificial boundaries of the nation-states as set by the British and others in the region. That’s one point of potential intersection. I can think of others — especially if there was an AQ connection with both nations in technology transfer. WMD work would have a lot of potential assets in a lot of nations, but it would require tracking a discrete pool of scientists with the know-how at the top — and, I suspect, with Velerie’s alleged nuclear proliferation knowledge, that would be where her asset string comes into play in both Iraq and Iran. Does that help at all?
sonate
Might help to keep an ear tuned to MSNBC today.
They were trumpeting yesterday that all day today they’d cover politics, politics, politics…
[in reaction to ABC’s planned docu-soapopera?]
Frank Probst @ 77
you and those with this point of view are making fitz out to be a savant
I have considered him a genous, I have loved his personality and his snark.
he is dynamic, and my impression WAS that his country is more important to him then his office
I’m sorry, I can’t believe he’s a savant, I can’t believe he’s that mindless to just go on with his prosecution as if what he was doing meant nothing to this country
untill he shows me otherwise, which I SURELY hoep he will do, I have lost faith in the man
OT from London
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tommy yum @ 80