
(AP Photo/US Navy, Jim Watson)
by Sheldon Rampton and John Stauber
The largest study yet of lung problems among 9/11 rescue workers shows bad news. "Nearly 70 percent of the rescue and cleanup workers who toiled in the dust and fumes at ground zero have had trouble breathing, and many will probably be sick for the rest of their lives," reports Amy Westfeldt. The study, conducted by the Mount Sinai Medical Center, monitored the health of nearly 16,000 ground zero workers. The volunteers who dug through the rubble in search of survivors inhaled dust laden with asbestos, pulverized concrete, mercury and toxins that will leave many of them chronically sick for the rest of their lives.
This tragedy happened because the same government officials who struck heroic poses following America's worst terrorist attack betrayed the real heroes of the day — the construction workers, police, firefighters and everyday citizens who rushed to the scene and tried to help. This is a topic that we wrote about in our 2004 book, Banana Republicans. As volunteers dug through the rubble, they received assurances — now proven false — that the air in which they worked was safe to breathe.
One of the individuals responsible for this betrayal was James L. Connaughton, who had been appointed earlier that year by President Bush to head the White House Council on Environmental Quality (CEQ). Prior to assuming this post, Connaughton defended corporate clients including leading defendants in cases involving asbestos, a major liability concern for corporations because of its proven link to a number of life-threatening respiratory diseases including lung cancer. It is not terribly surprising, therefore, that CEQ played an important role in covering up information about asbestos and other toxins in the air in New York City following the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001. Asbestos was used as an insulating material during construction of the first 40 stories of the first World Trade tower, and it joined the concrete, glass and other materials that were pulverized into a huge cloud of dust when the towers collapsed.
Literally before the dust had cleared, however, New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani joined the White House and the Environmental Protection Agency in assuring people that the city's air was safe. The day after the attacks, the chief of staff for EPA Deputy Administrator Linda Fisher sent an e-mail to senior agency officials, saying that "all statements to the media should be cleared" first by the National Security Council, Bush's main forum for discussing national-security matters. Fisher, a Bush appointee, had worked previously as a chief lobbyist and political fundraising coordinator for the Monsanto Company, a defendant in asbestos liability cases involving millions of dollars.
The original draft of the EPA's statement on air quality, written two days after the 9/11 attack, contained a clear warning: "Even at low levels, EPA considers asbestos hazardous in this situation." Before releasing it to the public, however, the White House reworded it to say almost the exact opposite: "Short term, low level exposure to asbestos of the type that might have been produced by the collapse of the World Trade Center buildings is unlikely to cause significant health effects."
The changes were made, according to a report issued two years later by the EPA's inspector general, at the behest of Connaughton's Council on Environmental Quality. "As a result of the White House CEQ's influence," the report noted, "guidance for cleaning indoor spaces and information about the potential health effects from WTC debris were not included in the EPA's issued press releases. In addition, based on CEQ's influence, reassuring information was added to at least one press release and cautionary information as deleted from EPA's draft version of that press release. . . . Every change that was suggested by the CEQ contact was made." According to the EPA chief of staff, in fact, "no press release could be issued for a three- to four-week period after September 11 without approval from the CEQ contact."
On September 16, EPA and OSHA issued another news release stating that "the majority of air and dust samples monitored at the crash site and in lower Manhattan do not indicate levels of concern for asbestos." In another statement two days later, EPA administrator Christine Todd Whitman said she was "glad to reassure the people of New York and Washington, D.C. that their air is safe to breathe and their water is safe to drink." Within a space of ten days after the attacks, the EPA had issued five statements, all of them reassuring the public that the air around the World Trade towers was safe to breathe. Rescue workers at the site trusted those assurances as they dug frantically in hope of finding survivors, often without face masks or other respiratory protection. In fact, those reassurances were as toxic as the air the rescue workers inhaled. It wasn't until June of the following year that the EPA determined that air quality had returned to pre-9/11 levels, by which time respiratory ailments and other problems began to surface in hundreds of New Yorkers.
Corporate-funded think tanks went even further, declaring not only that the air was safe but that asbestos safety regulations had contributed to the death toll from the terrorist attack. "Asbestos fibers in the air and rubble following the collapse of the World Trade Center are adding to fears in the aftermath of Tuesday's terrorist attack," wrote Steven Milloy, a columnist for Fox News and an "adjunct scholar" at the Cato Institute. "The true story in the asbestos story, though, is the lives that might have been saved but for 1970s-era hysteria about asbestos." In his column, which was published on the Fox News website just three days after the 9/11 attacks, Milloy went on to speculate that asbestos insulation might have delayed the steel framework of the building from melting "by up to four hours." The only individuals Milloy quoted to support his theory, however, were scientists who had previously worked as paid expert witnesses for the asbestos industry during product liability lawsuits filed by cancer victims. Eight months later, Milloy was still telling Fox News that rescue workers had not been exposed to toxics as he ridiculed firefighters who were suing the city, portraying them as greedy opportunists trying to "get more than just what they're due."
None of these experts had actually done research comparing asbestos to other heat-resistant insulating materials in an event like the 9/11 attack, and there is no scientific evidence whatsoever to support the claim that asbestos would have delayed the collapse of the towers by even five seconds, let alone four hours. "If you look at what Marks' Standard Handbook for Mechanical Engineers and the Fire Protection Handbook have to say about structural steel insulation, it becomes clear that there is nothing magical about asbestos in this application," says Jim Dukelow, a senior research engineer for the U.S. Department of Energy. "It was used because it was less expensive that the other spray-on materials and cheaper to apply than the non-spray-on alternatives. Other materials, specifically mineral wools, have equivalent or better insulation properties."
The official reassurances failed to satisfy Alyssa Katz, who edits City Limits, a nonprofit magazine about New York City affairs. On September 11, she watched as a giant plume of smoke settled over her home in Brooklyn. "The whole neighborhood was raining paper and dust," she recalled. As the months passed, New Yorkers began experiencing health problems. "Many people who live or work in lower Manhattan are convinced that they have not been told the truth," she reported. "They say that they're sick — throats sore, lungs hacking. Cleanup workers, local residents, and, most of all, firefighters at ground zero attest to intense respiratory illnesses unlike anything they recall experiencing before."
On October 26, 2001, New York Daily News columnist Juan Gonzalez wrote a front-page story contradicting ഊthe official government line, detailing EPA test findings of notable quantities of toxic substances including dioxins, PCBs, benzene, lead and chromium in addition to asbestos. The day Gonzalez's column appeared, EPA officials held a joint press conference with New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani to dismiss the story, calling it irresponsible, and Gonzalez came under increased scrutiny from his own paper, and several different editors were assigned to review his subsequent columns on the topic. "From that day on, the whole attitude toward the story changed," he says. "I did several more columns, but every one of them was highly scrutinized."
Within the EPA as well, dissent was marginalized. Prior to the 9/11 attacks, the EPA had an ombudsman, Robert Martin, who was assigned to independently assess and comment on EPA decisions. Martin and his chief investigator, Hugh Kaufman, criticized the agency's handling of air-quality information following the terrorist attacks. On April 16, 2002, Kaufman spoke to The NewsHour with Jim Lehrer. The terrorist attack's "first set of victims," he said, "are the people who were killed when the attack happened. The second set of victims are the people who are exposed to the chemicals: to lead, to mercury, to cadmium, dioxin, benzene, asbestos, all these chemicals that have spread throughout lower Manhattan and have landed in their apartments, in their schools, in the office buildings—and these Americans who are also suffering from the attack have been abandoned by the government. And that's not right. It's our job at EPA not to count the dead bodies ten or twenty years down the line, not to operate on people to get rid of cancer. It's our job to prevent cancer. And we fell down on the job."
A few days later, while Martin was out of town on EPA business, the agency announced a plan to place the ombudsman's office under the direct control of its inspector general, a move that would effectively end its autonomy (the whole purpose of an ombudsman in the first place). New rules were imposed, forbidding the ombudsman from mediating disputes between the public and the agency, or from talking with lawmakers or reporters without permission. Martin returned to his office to find that the locks of his office were changed, and his files and computer had been taken. He and Kaufman resigned in protest. "They have portrayed this transfer as granting more independence for the ombudsman function when, in fact, it destroys it completely," Martin said. "I cannot operate with that falsehood."
A year after the attacks, the New England Journal of Medicine published a study by David Prezant, the deputy chief medical officer for the New York City Fire Department. It showed that 332 city firefighters had developed "World Trade Center cough" and that roughly half of them remained on medical leave or light duty. "Although no firefighters have retired from respiratory problems, nearly 500 firefighters may have to retire by year's end because of their failing health," the Washington Post reported.
"We asked many times, is it safe here?" said Jack Ginty of the Uniformed Fire Officers Association, many of whose members died in the towers' collapse, while others went on to dig frantically in the rubble searching for survivors. "We were told by city officials, federal officials, ‘oh, yeah, we've tested the air, the air is fine,'" Ginty recalled in August 2003, "Now, finally the truth comes out that they have been lying to us all the way along. Had we known, we could have operated in a different fashion."
Sheldon Rampton and John Stauber are the co-authors of several books including Weapons of Mass Deception and The Best War Ever: Lies, Damned Lies and the Mess in Iraq, which will be published by Tarcher/Penguin in September.
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Christine Todd Whitman; one can only hope that she will never find peace in her soul. If she is at peace, she has no soul.
This evening’s NewsHour with Jim Lehrer had a segment featuring one of the First Responders whose health has been compromised by his month’s work at Ground Zero.
It was very moving… his description of how it’s affected his life and his family, and what he’s doing now, to help both himself and other First Responders.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/ For now, you have to look for the link to a podcast. It’s under “Reflections.”
This is just typical of these scoundrels. Whatever the issue, war, the economy, the environment, health care, social security, their first impulse is to lie. Their second is to intimidate any who would challenge those lies. Just ask Joe Wilson or nearly any government scientist.
Why does the Bush administration hate America?
Sandpaper Kate on Chris Matthews.
Pat Buchanon hearts Rick Santorum. Kate does too.
ccmask @ 6
shield the children’s eyes… or just change the channel
“It was used because it was less expensive that the other spray-on materials and cheaper to apply than the non-spray-on alternatives…
snip
I guess they had low numbers of money and had to go with a cheap preoduct…ka-ching. Guilliani had to know.
Of course, according to the administration, the large majority of these so-called sick people are malingerers attempting to extort money from the public till. I mean, how greedy can you get? Contracting emphysema or cancer just so you can squeeze a few dollars out of the government and quit your job and kick back and relax. Joke’s on them, though, because most of these conditions are fatal. That’ll show ‘em.
Sorry for the snark, but something about this makes me bitter and angry.
I’m wondering how extensive the exposure to harmful emissions was — that is, how far from ground zero? The dust scattered for blocks, maybe miles, and watching from NJ, I could see that the plume was visible for weeks, which means there was settlement downwind somewhere.
Lots of folks with different skills volunteered to go help the recovery teams, and they were located only a few blocks away from ground zero. E.g., my sister organized a team of physical massage therapist to provide free back/shoulder rubs to those who were digging for hours.
Have the studies tried to identify and reach all these others who might have gotten secondary exposures to the dust? Is there even a record of these people?
Don’t you know?
That is why Bush waited a week or more
before going
to the WTC site,
because of all that cancer causing
poluted air that was still there.
So Chris says the Republicans are running from Bush and one of them even told him not to come because it would hurt his chances to win the election.
So, Chris is finally coming around. Too late in my book. He is fully responsible for aiming his microphone towards Bush for the last 6 years.
Hi! twolf!!!!!!
hi ccmask!
ccmask @ 8
you build a building with the materials you have, not the materials you wish you had. ;)
Seeing those 9/11 cleanup workers on TV, and hearing that cough, that awful cough; it just breaks my heart.
Both of my FDNY brothers were involved in the recovery efforts. For many months.
So, Mayor Giuliani’s first allegiance was to his Republican masters and funders rather than to his city. If I were an opponent running against him I would just hammer him with this. And where has the current mayor been? He should be screaming about this betrayal.
Doctor Turtle (pulmonologist) just saw a guy who was a volunteer at ground zero. He’s 36 with severe asthma and some complications..I’ll ask more about it when he’ gets home.
These BASTARDS will never stop, even when they are finally in jail.
ccmask…how are they, your bros?
If this article can be spread around the internet fast, it could actually cause ABC to rethink airing the Republican “Path to 911″ infomercial. I wonder if they showcased any of these sick retired firemen in their movie.
Let’s spotlight this far and wide. Thanks Sheldon! Great article with good links!
I’m no pulmonologist but it just stands to common sense that dusty air isn’t good for children or other living beings … I just couldn’t understand why the government experts at the time were saying it was safe to breath that powder …
I remember hearing with a skeptical ear the reports from the media saying that the EPA has tested and everything would be fine while watching the dust cloud engulfing manhattan slowly settle. This admin is all about 1st impressions. They tell you what you want to hear, then they do the opposite — or worse.
OT - Olbermann is on the ABC BS911 story
I am just under two miles away from Ground Zero in Brooklyn, the direction in which most of the smoke and debris flew. The smell was ungodly . . . like nothing I ever experienced. It was inconceivable that it was “harmless.” We all lived with it for a very long time.
The rush to “clean” it all up was insane . . . and the poor firemen and policmen who just wanted to find the remains of their friends and colleagues are the real victims here.
I blame Rudy Guiliani. George Bush, and Christine Todd Whitman.
Both of them are pretty quiet about the whole thing. It’s hard to get into a discussion with them. They both lost between 20 and 30 really good friends. Firemen are very close. They hang out together, they party together and have big picnics together. Take it from me, a FDNY daughter.
My one brother was heavily involved. My sister-in-law said throughout the recovery effort, he would come home after a 24 hour shift, eat dinner, and pass out on the bed. Early the next morning, he would open his eyes, jump in his boots and run out the door.
So far, no health problems, although they both retired.
Perhaps undecided Americans can finally GET IT. Bu$hCo only cares about $$$ - not WE THE PEOPLE.
HAD ENOUGH?
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“Justice in the life and conduct of the State is possible only as first it resides in the hearts and souls of the citizens.”
– Plato : Ancient Greek philosopher (428/427-348/347 B.C.)
I call bs on the entire government– we may very well be a failed state in freefall.
Asbestos legislation stalled by K street.
Remember Agent Orange?
What about Gulf War Syndrome?
Depleted Uranium?
Vaccines for bird flu?
Anthrax prophylaxis?
Mad Cow Disease?
Access to medical care?
Medicare part D?
Stem cell research?
Katrina?
Protecting our ports and nuke facilities?
Securing loose nukes?
etc.
Lying everyday on nearly every issue.
I don’t trust them at all.
These are criminal acts by those who keep trumpeting that the security of the American people is their foremost responsibility. Thanks Sheldon and John.
ccmask @ 25
cc, so sorry to hear this. I truly hope that your brothers remain healthy, and that they feel our nation’s gratitude for their service.
I’ve been driving all day, but did anyone notice that as Bush talked about how the CIA secret prisons yielded intelligence on terror plots, the pentagon was issuing “new” guidelines on the rights of all prisoners with the statement “No good intelligence was ever gathered by torture”
On the subject of the ABC 911 thing:
ABC Tells Fox That Path to 9/11 ‘Is Based Solely and Completely on the 9/11 Commission Report’
How many ways can these idiots find to harm or kill their own people? Lies, deception and or neglect of this kind should be enough for crimes against humanity! Can we have a hearing now?
twolf1 @ 23
Olbermann is never off-topic.
ccmask at 25 — next time you see either brother, please give them an extra long hug from me. All of those guys are true heroes. I know folks from here who were mining rescue experts who were called in to help with rescues — or at least what they hoped were going to be rescues — in the early hours after the towers fell. None of them can talk about what they had to deal with there, what they saw deep in the bowels of the tower shells.
And my friends in NYC who watched one of the planes hit the tower while in a business meeting, and then spent the next few hours in the meeting room in horror as the rest of the day unfolded…it’s all so painful to think about, even five years later. I lost people that i knew in the towers, and I know so many people who lost SO many more.
To know about all of this with air quality — and to know that it was something that the people making decisions knew about from the moment it all happened — it’s beyond my ability to talk about. This is the first time in a long time that I just want to throw up my hands and scream. I never feel that way — I’m a roll up my sleeves and get something done kinda gal. But this…this is more than I can bear this evening.
PBS NOW interview with Whitman and others after the EPA IG Report Came out in 2003
I believe that the original ruling in the class action was that the case could proceed against Whitman individually as well as the EPA, a very rare thing. I don’t know if it was upheld or not.
These kind of cya maneuvers are downright unamerican. Not that we should be surprised that a sniveling frat boy and his power-mad controllers would stoop so low.
I can’t bear to watch Bush today. I’ve avoided news until just a moment ago, and seeing him talk about 9/11 and his end-run on the Geneva Conventions and the CIA rendition/torture stuff just makes my blood boil off the charts. Now they’re running an ad about Couric having a special exclusive interview with him and I have to turn it off. I hate this bs glitz-news trend and then giving this guy a platform to spew more hatred and lies - I just can’t tolerate it.
OT– KO calls it a 9/11 Mockumentary– Ben-Veniste coming up.
twolf1 @ 30
I read this, and the source of that statement is the “Fox Reporter.” So it’s not clear whether ABC officials told the Fox reporter this or the reporter simply concluded this was true based on earlier, but later discredited, reports. (or whether it was just more faux news)
Hang on Christy, I will go outside and scream for you. I don’t have neighbors. :)
twolf1 @
30
twolf1, since ABC has been spinning this all day with their spam form letter to everyone who has written to them, do you think this is now Fox spin?
KO on Mockumentary on MSNBC next in the west!
angie @ 27
Mad cow disease is real. I used to work in the neuro dpt at Mass General, this was the one contagion they feared.
Now don’t get me started about
chicken coward fake hyped $$$$avian flu.Gang — this is a post which should be spotlighted. Liberally!
timewarp @ 43
I am so numb, just tell me who might listen and I will spot ‘em.
What meta said, 28 & 36.
ccmask - Anytime I saw any of the cleanup recovery it would make you want to cry all over. The volunteers had such a striken look.
egregious, I know that Mad Cow is real and we don’t really test for it and now I don’t eat beef. If the Japanese are smart enough not to eat our cows, well so am I.
I trust them more than us. ;(
KO, doing a story on Katherine Harris victory in Fla primary, shows a picture of her, sorta side view, and says, “showing us two points of her platform . . . “
The Bush’s and Cheney’s have made their fortunes from the burning of fossil fuels and environmental debauchery. The way these guys made their living was in full view well before the elections of 2000. The Bush gang are a sleazy, greasy, smarmy bunch. This administration has as much concern for the victims of the 9/11 rescue and cleanup as it has for the victims of Katrina. Or for that matter, dead or gravely wounded American G.I.’s and innocent civilians killed in Iraq. The Bush years, and it’s legacy, will be characterized by an uncanny lack of empathy, concern, and understanding for human needs.
Giuliani is nothing but a self-serving politician. Whitman was a cowardly toadie. Connaughton is a criminal.
But our dreary days will begin to brighten. Come this autumn.
Eureka Springs, AR- will you scream for me too?
Thank you, Sheldon and John for providing this history of the crime. How can Rudy Giuliani maintain the level of support that he still enjoys in light of his despicable behavior?
I agree with AZ Matt:
Respects to your brothers, ccmask.
Aside from lung problems, I’ve also heard about unusal amounts of kidney problems and failures. Since the kidneys are responsible for cleansing the blood, it makes sense.
Mixed in that toxic cloud were cement dust, silica from glass, lead, murcury, other heavy metals, and carcinogenic vapors from plastics, insulation, office devices, PCBs from electrical transformers, etc. So it’s not just risks like silicosis but a wide variety of environmental poisons.
But Christy Todd Whitman said it was safe, so don’t worry.
BTW, what does this do to Giuliani’s image as a good guy, and his chances for a run in ‘08?
OT- Mary4 I changed something 2 days ago, and I changed something today. Have you seen any change in how your comments appear, or don’t appear as the case may be?
Keith just had his wicked, wicked way with Katherine Harris … hilarious ! (grrrr!!!)
Thanks meta & Christy. The craziest part for me was they told my one brother to go to Queens for the day. He gets there and he’s working at this small firehouse when that plane falls out of the sky a block away! Remember that one? I’ll bet people forget about that. It wasn’t too long after the WTC takedown.
When 911 first happened, it was almost a whole day that I didn’t know where either of them were. I still have all the emails back and forth with both my sisters-in-laws…what a horror. My best girlfriend is a doctor and she was sent to Mt. Sinai and she called me to say she was okay and added “we’re doomed”. I’ll never forget that. And sadly, a girlfriend I had known in school and who worked for the Port Authority, was one of the last bodies that was pulled out of the rubble.
I was never one to believe in Heaven or Hell but having lived through these last 6 years with this administration I have come to long for the day when these fuckers BURN in hell - and may I add - with no firefighters to come and save them.
meta @ 40
Well, first off, everything on Fox is spin. I think they desire it to be true so badly that, in their minds, it becomes true. They will back their boy Chimpy no even if it means saying something good about another network. I don’t know what else ABC would think might happen by taking the story to Fox.
OT from the Lamont Front: No Joe-Mentum from Lamont
*ilson46201 @ 22
I’m not a pulmonologist either, but a particle person.
“Everyone knows” (and by that I mean people like me who work in air quality research for a living) that (a) breathing lots of combustion-produced particles is bad for you — particularly at the kind of levels produced by the WTC buildings as they burned, and (b) that the high temperatures associated with that combustion in all likelihood produced all kinds of atypical chemical species in the air or on/in the particles. (I’d be more specific but I haven’t studied the WTC very closely.) In fact, understanding the health effects of fine/ultrafine airborne particulate matter has been a focus of EPA’s funding for at least the last 10 years or so. I’d point out that this is in addition to the “dust” particles (although some of them may have been coated in combustion-related material). While the exact mechanisms are controversial, the impact on health is not. IMHO, shameful. Of course.
Whew - Amazing what a long Kings River Valley scream does for the soul. Can’t hold this kind of merde inside.
Another disgraceful chapter in the BushCo administration.
*ilson46201 @ 52
100 people? how did she … find… room… for.. them. LOL
Valley Girl - re Mary4’s computer/fdl access issues — a couple of people e-mailed me to ask if I was having similar problems (no), because they were — they couldn’t post, or a post would disappear or get hung in indefinite moderation. I promised to ask if you know there are others still experiencing these problems?? And if you’ve figured out how to solve them??
Dangerstein in da house over at Joe’s place. :)
Eureka Springs, AR @
44
How about NPR. The NY Times. WaPo. And Keith Olberman. And anyone else you can think of.
I think a lot of Florida Dems changed parties to vote for Harris just to take her down in the general.
You know, someone in an earlier thread said that probably the majority of people in this country either knew someone directly or indirectly on those flights or in those buildings or in the rescue and relief efforts. New York is a major hub and crossroad for millions of people.
A rising star pastry chef at Boulevard restaurant in SF had just left the previous May to take the position at WOW and perished there. This tragedy touched everyone. That is why we are so full of grief and outrage about what is happening today in the WH, in the Congress, and in the media.
scarecrow at 60 — we’ve had a few people having those problems and we’ve been experimenting a bit to figure out why it is. We switched over to the latest version of WordPress, and we think that may (I stress may) have something to do with it — but VG has really been leading the charge on this, along with Jamie, our resident computer genius.
The only family I have in the area have a loft a couple blocks from the WTC site… they were fortunately smart and well-off enough to GTFO for a couple of months after the towers went down. I can only imagine what it was like for so many other people who couldn’t do the same.
As someone with chronic respiratory illness, I don’t wish this kind of sickness on ANYONE.
News from across the pond - Minister resigns in attempt to force Blair exit
OT - to egregious, I left this note on another thread, but suspect you won’t be revisiting it. With regards to quick and easy sharing of large files such as video, I know a way to share files privately. Perhaps FDL could set up a Folder Share account for known FDL users.
I have such a folder that I share with a friend and it holds an enormous amount of files. Even video can be winrared to download in a reasonable amount of time.
twolf1 at 67 — I read somewhere that 10 junior ministers resigned today as well. They are pissed at Blair for not declaring a date certain for stepping down from party leadership.
I caught a brief bit from a Discovery Times show called Toxic Legacy the other night, a fireman (or a brother of one) who was sobbing over the memory of his loss. The mother had given Bush the man’s badge as a token, and he was of the opinion that Bush should give it back because Bush was a lying bastard and the EPA was too. I looked at the schedule, it is due for another showing 9/9 and 9/10, also several slots later in the month.
The show covered pretty much the same ground as this post, but I only remember impressions because I was here at the Lake catching up on comments, with the TV on in the background. I seem to be doing that a lot, lately.
Thanks Christy — I’ll pass this on, and let them know VG and Jaime are working on it. And thanks for their help.
Hi, *ilson, have you been two-timing Jane today, even getting front-paged elsewhere, you naughty boy?
timewarp @ 62
Go local! The big guys are more likely to know about the stories and ignore/slant/disparage the stories. Local media outlets help shape storylines. They select the stories from the wire services, etc. Plus, and a big plus, they are not as used to getting these sorts of responses so they may be more receptive than the national media outlets.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 69
yes, it is a mass exodus of sorts. odd to see such conviction in government officials.
ccmask @
53
I remember that welll, ccmask. I heard the boom from here in Brooklyn. It was awful. We were all still so jittery and were sure that the plane had been shot out or bombed out of the sky. It was one month to the day after 9-11.
And I am so glad to hear that your brothers still have their health.
BTW — there was an amazing documentary here on Father Mykal Judge last night on channel 13. It was so inspiring and so sad at the same time.
AZ Matt @ 17
The current mayor is also a Republican. Nuf said?
Gopudrama? is on the screen on Olberman..bwaaaaaaaaaaa
timewarp - Thanks, pulling myself back to semi-normal. Spot on.
timewarp said:
That’s why we’re going to get our country back.
Jeffreyw: I hope she gets it back.
bush was on that rubble without a mask. here’s hoping he got a big whiff of asbestos while he was there…
GOOD! on MSNBC they are hitting on the fact that Path to 9/11 is being sent to schools as a learning tool.
He was on the rubble on Cipro.
cc, I remember that crash very well, because it added such an eeriness to the whole spectacle. It was hard to believe that it wasn’t another act of terrorism at the time.
op99 @ 72
huh? where?
Rawstory has an interesting article up about Rove. Apparently “Hubris” reveals that Rove withheld a crucial email for nearly a year.
Here’s the link:
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2....._0906.html
Here’s a quote:
In the new book, Hubris: The Inside Story of Spin, Scandal, and the Selling of the Iraq War, veteran Newsweek reporter Michael Isikoff and Nation Washington editor David Corn reveal they obtained a copy of the printed-out email sent by Rove to then-Deputy National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley in July 2003.
The printout is dated in November of 2003. Rove’s lawyer — Robert Luskin — didn’t turn the email over to the special prosecutor investigating the outing of a CIA officer until October 2004.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 65
Thanks Christy- I thought that my comments about this in mod were being ignored. As you have seen, other mods are having some problems. Please email me, and I will give you an update on what I’ve done. I am so glad that Jamie is on this one, because the frustration level wa err… sorta rising ;) VG
Yeah meta. And I think all the people on the plane all lived in the same neighborhood, maybe in the Bronx???
scarecrow- I don’t know if I’ve solved any problems or not… just hoping not to create more at this point!!!!
What a superior post by Sheldon Rampton and John Stauber!
Kudos and my deep appreciation!
WRT to why, oh why these insensitive, callous, prevaricating Repug politicians would deign to blow smoke at us, the answer is simply that they care, and strive only for the “right perception” of reality, their
fantasy“reality”.In other words, that stinking, choking, noxious cloud you’re working in, that’s just a figment of your imagination, or it’s good for you - what do scientists know anyways, or the old standby, it’s not my fault, let’s blame somebody else.
Acceptance of reality is a surefire way for one to be excluded from the Repug party. Thank heavens for small favors!
What is a primary organic contribution of the Bush Presidency? Gas. Carbon dioxide and carbon monoxide. America smothers. George dithers.
*xyz @ 86
Way more than that at David Corn’s own blog. There’s some fascinating stuff to come including the REAL reason Plame was outed.
OT - someone here a few weeks ago (I don’t remember who) has suggested making NASCAR style jackets for congresscritters with the logos of companies they accepted money from. GoodMagazine.com did up Santorum and Hillary:
Political NASCAR
op99 @ 91
It aint me ! really… I dont have the time for such tomfoolery — my oppo research locally is paying off massively and I am run ragged digging out microfiches with arrest records, etc. Gawd, I love politics !
I’m usually skeptical about these things, but this does seem to be a legitimate claim. (I should also point out that I’m not a health professional). This is a very large group of individuals who are much less healthy now than average. Many, according to the WaPo article, were healthy before they worked at ground zero. I don’t know about all those chemicals, but PCBs, lead, and asbestos are known to be bad for you - the latter causes lung problems.
So why is Mayor Bloomberg poo-pooing this? I suppose that he wants to protect the city from disability claims, but I think that’s a lost cause. It would be in a sane world. From the WaPo link:
Christy, right now I’m wishing my neighbors weren’t so nearby, too.
OT, but wanted to alert people in SF that the premiere of Iraq for Sale is next Wednesday:
http://iraqforsale.bravenewthe.....-francisco
There will also be a reception for Robert before the screening, and discussion afterward.
*ilson, well I’ll be damned. For a guy with no time, lot’s of assets in your portfolio showed up over there today, I must say. ;)
Valley Girl @ 89
I know everyone appreciates your efforts (and Jaime’s). It might be helpful to know whether you’ve found any common factors, such as types of computers? internet provider? Firefox vs ??? — anything that would let people know that if you have one of [these] or use [that] you’re probably having problems.
ccmask- a huge hug to you. I rememer your earlier posts about 9/ll- one I responded to with info about cell phones, if I remember correctly. But I don’t remember yo