
(Photo by Danfung Dennis for The New York Times. Gorgeous color in this shot.)
As the anniversary of 9/11 approaches, it is worth asking some five years after the fact, whether we are using our resources to most effectively make America more safe, to lower the threats posed to our great nation — or are we taking actions which weaken our nation over the long run and make security, both in the United States and for our interests abroad, less safe?
President George Bush gave a speech today which included a line that it is foolish to try to negotiate with al qaeda. Well…duh. No one but the GOP election-year straw man is advocating that as a strategy. And it is a lie to say otherwise.
But are we using our limited resources as wisely as we ought to, as prudently as we should, as carefully as the lives of each and every serviceperson deserve? Ah, now that is a question, isn’t it? And the answer may be found all the way back in Afghanistan — where Bin Laden and his supporters see their influence growing again after we turned our nation’s eyes and resources toward Iraq instead. Are we truly safer?
From the NYTimes:
On a July morning, Taliban gunmen shot dead the province’s most powerful cleric as he walked to the main city mosque to lead morning prayers. Five months later, they executed a teacher at a nearby village school as students watched. The following month, they walked into another mosque and gunned down an Afghan engineer working for a foreign aid group, shooting him in the back as he pressed his forehead to the ground and supplicated to God.
This spring and summer, the slow and methodical siege of this southern provincial capital intensified. The Taliban and their allies set up road checkpoints, burned 20 trucks and slowed the flow of supplies to reconstruction projects. All told, in surrounding Helmand Province, five teachers, one judge and scores of police officers have been killed. Dozens of schools and courts have been shuttered, according to Afghan officials.
“Our government is weak,” said Fowzea Olomi, a local women’s rights advocate whose driver was shot dead in May and who fears she is next. “Anarchy has come.”
The NYTimes article is lengthy, but well worth the read. And the lost opportunities documented within it are painful:
The problems began in early 2002, former Bush administration, United Nations and Afghan officials said, when the United States and its allies failed to take advantage of a sweeping desire among Afghans for help from foreign countries.
The Defense Department initially opposed a request by Colin L. Powell, then secretary of state, and Afghanistan’s new leaders for a sizable peacekeeping force and deployed only 8,000 American troops, but purely in a combat role, officials said.
During the first 18 months after the invasion, the United States-led coalition deployed no peacekeepers outside Kabul, leaving the security of provinces like Helmand to local Afghans.
"Where the world, including the United States, came up short was on the security side," said Richard Haass, the former director of policy planning at the State Department. "That was the mistake which I believe is coming back to haunt the United States now."
Afghanistan is used to being abandoned — but we gave them hope, and promises, that this would not happen when we invaded after 9/11 and routed the Taliban from Kabul. The Bush Administration has broken faith with Afghanistan, and has failed to live up to its promises through poor planning decisions. And the responsibility for that failure rests on President Bush. And the rest of the moderate Islamic world is watching as we treat Afghanistan’s population as a throwaway pawn on the road to Iraqi conquest.
More on Afghanistan’s current plight and the increasing resurgence of the Taliban throughout the already war-torn nation can be found via Bloomberg and Guardian UK.
I watched the whole of George Bush’s speech today. His ego is tied up in believing that Iraq is essential and that his fight…his ideas…his way is righteous. He has surrounded himself with sycophants who tell him what he wants to hear, and who dispatch surrogates to tell the American public that Afghanistan is "going swimmingly," regardless of the facts.
But the question remains: are the actions currently being taken by the Bush Administration lessening the threat of terrorism — or are these actions creating a larger pool of next generation terrorists who operate on an even more independent footing? Poverty, anger and despair are powerful motivating factors — are our actions reducing or enhancing those feelings in the Middle East and further throughout the world?
The results of the 2006 election can have a profound effect on our nation’s policies — will the election serve as a check and balance to the Bush Administration, or will it reaffirm the need for non-questioning rubber stamping ideology? Our nation functions best when there is a check and balance provided by the legislative branch on the chief executive — President Bush has had an almost unfettered hand on foreign policy and war-making from the GOP-controlled Congress.
Will President Bush be allowed to continue to function in his unquestioning bubble? Or is it past time to pierce the veil, and allow some reality to seep through in the form of a demand for accountability and for policies which are the best for our nation as a whole, best not just for today but for our generations to come — for my child and yours, and their children – and not just best for propping up the President’s ego?
Related posts:
- Galbraith, in His Own Words, on the Afghan Election and U.N. Complicity
- Obama’s Statement on Afghanistan Massacre Hints at Internal Administration Conflict
- More Troops for Afghanistan? Faster Withdrawal from Iraq?
- UN Invalidates Hundreds of Thousands of Votes in Afghanistan, Strips Karzai of Victory
- No Nation Can Donate Liberation to Another





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Boycott ABC!!
Rootz!
FITZ…please
Not to mention this year’s bumper crop of opium poppies. To the needless and cruel war in Iraq and the trumped up war on terra, add complete capitulation on the war on drugs (which was none too good an idea to start with). There is nothing these people can’t screw up.
Christy – my sympathies for your having to listen to the entire speech. Hope your ears have stopped bleeding (even if they are now emitting steam), your skin has stopped crawling and your TV’s screen has not been smashed by thrown objects…
Am getting ready to read the Democrats’ response – am hoping there’s some punch to it.
Anne at 5. I agree. I can no longer listen to even a 10 second sound bite of Chimpy. It is just too annoying and I’m afraid I’ll hurt someone.
petedownunder @ 3
I heard on the cable news (don’t remember which channel) that 1/3 of Afghanistan’s economy comes from opium and 90% of the world’s heroin comes from Afghanistan.
remember kids – Just say no.
BTW to whoever invented the “edit comment” feature, thank you. I only see mistakes after hitting “Submit”
And parents
Boycott Scholastic
Let them know!
(This is easier said than done… Harry Potter – A wrinkle in Time… The Pushcart War.. there are a ton of great titles, but this indoctorination should not be allowed)
this morning the chimpster said that he was “taking stock” of his successes on the gwot… then proceeded to not name one single “victory”, but rather began again with the great big threat that al qaeda represents… a simple accounting alone – both successes and failures – would be refreshing…
this is all so disturbing.
christy – 2nd to last paragraph needs a space in the first ‘checkand balance’
Twolf1 – I’m trying to think what the other 2/3 of the economy could be? I suspect that opium is more like 90% of the export economy.
OT – so much for Cafferty taking on the ABC story, he’s out until next week.
Called my kids’ school district curriculum director re the scholastic 9/11 packets. Am now calling all the HSs and leaving msgs for the social studies and US history teachers to return my call.
I remember reading that Al Qaeda has always been financed by Afghanistan opium profits (no link, apologies). I have nothing else to say at the moment because I’m sputtering.
Christy, Thanks for this. I read the Times piece this morning too. Couple this situation with the harm to women’s independence in Iraq (before relatively liberal) and Iran (far more open before the Bush-pressed election.) But, it is in keeping with U.S. wingnuts. Recently met on a trip, same from bright red state (CNN too liberal for them). The daughter volunteers at an anti-abortion phone center (a hoax, aimed at trolling) also insisted that women who have children are morally obligated to stay home through their schooling with them – i.e. no work outside, no daycare. Sadly, she is an honor’s student in her local university. So, it is not just a question of education.
Bush Defense Record by the Numbers
NYT shows this as the Democrats’ response – just starting to read it now, but there’s no good news in it for Bush – and LOADS of info to counter the latest Bush blather.
petedownunder @ 12
I just found this:
Opium cultivation surges by 59% in Afghanistan
twolf1 – Thanks for your new thread alerts.
The first of four scheduled debates between Ohio gubernatorial candidates Ted Strickland and Ken Blackwell was took place at noon today. This post includes the full text of their closing remarks, but also an interchange that took place *after* the closing remarks, and was perhaps the most telling with regard to the candidates and their character.
Click for more.
petedownunder @ 4
They make money on the drug trade, which is why it was allowed to bloom again in Afghanistan, and they make money in the phony War on Drugs. Win/win.
I’m not sure how to answer the questions that are being asked such as: “Are we winning the war on terror”?
What IS the war on terror? Who is the enemy? Where are the “battles” taking place? Where’s the scoreboard?
This whole line of questioning swallows too much of the Clusterfuck mentality.
There is no “WAR” there are thousands of individual people who are willing to take great risks to cause harm for political purposes. To translate this to a “war” immediately introduces assumptions not in evidence- that we know who we are fighting- that the battles are raging- that it there is something going on that can be won or lost. It’s all bullshit.
A&E is running an excellent documentary right now on Afghanistan thru the eyes of an 8 yr old boy and his family — The Boy Who Plays on the Buddhas of Bamiyan.
Christy, I disagree that these are missed opportunities. They are deliberately-chosen-against opportunities.
The Dems have a tepid start on pushing back against Bush, but they need to really pound out the message “how much more of this cr*p are you…and your family…and your budget willing to put up with”?
And further, “We don’t need cheerleaders to fight terrorism–we need REAL leaders.”
If I were doing Dem candidate commercials I’d create a general spot starting with Bush in his preppy cheerleader gear and drop in custom incumbent Republican Congresscritter pictures with Bush while voiceover talks rubber stamp and stats.
Close with “time to bring common sense back to Washington, vote Dem for a change.”
[promise and action call all in one]
[OT sidebar: if you can’t trust ABC’s documentaries/schlockumentaries…how can you trust their news? I’m gonna check out Couric’s premiere tonight on CBS.]
Now back to v-i-p…vacation in progress.
True, but haven’t Bush/Rove set a trap for us that prevents thinking through possible alternatives? If you put together his recent speeches (especially last Thursday and today), and Rummy’s and Condi’s, here is the total message: Any/all islamic movements that oppose US policies, not just in Iraq or Afghanistan, but also including unquestioning support of Israeli policies wrt to Gaza/West Bank and Lebanon, are terrorists, and they are all linked by the same ideology and are all state-supported terrorism by Iran and Syria. They are all our enemies, and we are in a global war against them, as important as WWII and the Civil War, that will define the 21st century. Any suggestion otherwise is “appeasement” and/or weakness/cowardice.
This means that Hezbolla and Hamas, as well as Taliban and al Qaeda are indistinguishable, and since they are all terrorists, we can’t/don’t negotiate with any of them. Israel can’t/won’t negotiate with Hamas to help resolve Palestian issues, and we support that position; Israel can’t won’t negotiate with Hezbollah, and we support that position. So no fundamental conflict in that region can be solved except by force, and that’s US policy. The fact that Hamas may have more support in Gaza than the current Israeli govt has in Israel is irrelant; the fact that Hezbollah seems better prepared and more committed to rebuild and provide essential services for Lebanan than Bush is to rebuild the Gulf Coast is irrelevant. They are terrorists; we are not. So talking to them is out of the question.
The same is true in Iraq, Iran, and Afghanistan, where it’s impossible for the US to view any antagonist in these regions as someone with whom we can/should talk. The only option is bombing, followed by occupation. And we’re so good at that.
The notions that all these groups are the same, that they all have the same objectives, that they all represent the same (or any) threat to vital US interests are just dead wrong. And as long as we allow Bush/Cheney/Rove/Rice to equate these groups, the more likely we will blunder into more wars with everyone in the regigon.
Glenn Greenwald has more on the same theme:
http://glenngreenwald.blogspot…..html#links
Twolf1 & egegious -
Yeah, and they also win by exploiting illegal immigrants. Don’t keep them out because they need cheap labor, but don’t let them be legal cause then they’ll want stuff like a minimum wage. There is absolutely nothing to which they won’t stoop if it will line their pockets and keep them in power. Beyond disgusting.
Ooops, not A&E, Sundance for The Boy Who Plays on the Buddhas…
Jenny from the Blog @ 15
Al Quada’s funding has been through a variety of sources. When Al Quada was sleeping with the Taliban, the Talis were involved in very harsh suppression of opium production. Success varied from province to province.
More important re Al Quada’s funding, and relating very much to the inaccuracy of ABC’s upcoming 9/11 agitprop is this from an article cited here earlier (though not this portion) by William Rivers Pitt in Truthout:
Clinton wanted to attack the financial underpinnings of the al-Qaeda network by banning American companies and individuals from dealing with foreign banks and financial institutions that al-Qaeda was using for its money-laundering operations. Texas Senator Phil Gramm, chairman of the Banking Committee, gutted the portions of Clinton’s bill dealing with this matter, calling them “totalitarian.”
In fact, Gramm was compelled to kill the bill because his most devoted patrons, the Enron Corporation and its criminal executives in Houston, were using those same terrorist financial networks to launder their own dirty money and rip off the Enron stockholders. It should also be noted that Gramm’s wife, Wendy, sat on the Enron Board of Directors.
Just before departing office, Clinton managed to make a deal with the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development to have some twenty nations close tax havens used by al-Qaeda. His term ended before the deal was sealed, and the incoming Bush administration acted immediately to destroy the agreement.
According to Time magazine, in an article entitled “Banking on Secrecy” published in October of 2001, Bush economic advisors Larry Lindsey and R. Glenn Hubbard were urged by think tanks like the Center for Freedom and Prosperity to opt out of the coalition Clinton had formed. The conservative Heritage Foundation lobbied Bush’s Treasury Secretary, Paul O’Neill, to do the same.
In the end, the lobbyists got what they wanted, and the Bush administration pulled out of the plan. The Time article stated, “Without the world’s financial superpower, the biggest effort in years to rid the world’s financial system of dirty money was short-circuited.”
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/083006J.shtml
Eureka Springs, AR – no problem :)
An under reported subject. IMO.
Health: Women in Afghanistan have an extraordinarily high risk of dying during pregnancy and childbirth and the highest maternal mortality rate in the world. Pre-natal care, maternal health care facilities and trained health personnel are virtually non-existent in large parts of the country, contributing to a very high percentage of preventable maternal and child deaths. Besides the lack of access to and quality of health services, other factors such as lack of adequate food, shelter and clean water, low marriage age, high fertility rate and lack of spacing of child births contribute to the extremely poor health of Afghan women.
snip
Emphasis mine.
http://web.worldbank.org/WBSIT…..47,00.html
My one hope after 9/11 was that we would finally learn to be less shortsighted in our foreign policy. This, after all, was the ultimate in blowback, the cause-and-effect of assuming the enemy of our enemy would be our friend.
Well, we didn’t learn anything of the sort. And the blowback that’s going to hit us somewhere down the road is going to make us wish we had merely another 9/11 to contend with…
What’s the alternative to George? Hillary in ‘08? While I go along with Clinton’s domestic views, I cannot countenance her support for the Bush insane foreign agenda. She says we can’t get out of Iraq. And she seems to support whatever Israel does in the Middle East. Not thanks, Senator. If we continue to have a bunch of wars all over the place, and worse, the “big-war”, then none of the domestic stuff, sooner or later, will matter. There are alternatives.
From the Wilderness google search
Afghanistan Opium
I will make multiple sacrifices to the typo gods and read a nun’s novena for Jane if the mods will fix the most obvious ones. Like Palestians and region. Thanks.
YouTube -The AP interviews ‘My Pet Goat’ Kids
-via RawStory
This may have been covered earlier… emptywheel has an excellent post up on what the revelations that Valarie Plame was working on WMD/Iraq means
scarecrow @ 33
Why is the word “Palestinian” blocked?
Roddy McCorley @ 30
I agree … and as a practical matter the history of the terror plotters is to raise the ante in successive events, as we saw when the trade center refused to fall in the 1993 bombing.
What will the next round bring? I betting on multiple dirty bombs that affect critical infrastructure and bring our very complex and economically interdependent culture to its knees.
Ed*ard Teller @ 36
apparently, it isn’t – went right through…
Slightly OT, but Froomkin has a nice run-down in today’s “White House Briefing” WaPost column on how journalists could — if they had the cajones — address the last five years of the Shrub’s “governing.”
ET: I don’t think it is blocked. Just my bad typing and poor eyesight (twice) in preview.
Oklahoma kiddo @
31
Feingold.
Nobody wins in Afghanistan. The Brits found that out. The Russians did. Now we are. It would have taken a worldwide coalition absolutely determined to bring democratic order to that country to even begin to get the project done. As it was we had a flimsy, inadequate coalition interested in something but not democracy.
The only question in my mind is how long we hang on and how many lives are wasted before we pull out and wait for the next round to begin. Maybe China will go in next, although I think they’re too smart for that. They know that they’ll lose too.
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/press/view/?id=555
Link to Hillary’s position on Iraq (as of November 05)
A Media Analyst called Jihad Fakhreddine gets it exactly right:
Yow.
DrBB @ 44
Not to mention between the US and most of the rest of the world.
There is no great threat to our nation.. more than the abuse of our own rights .. stolen by those we have in our own government.
We are slaves to a military industrial complex which lves off of fear and zenophobia.
No nation is coming to our shores to enslave us. But we have the corporate state which is doing very nicely from within.
Osama Bin Laden has stated that he dislikes the american government and not the ameican people and that he believes it is wrong to take “innocent” lives… but doesn’t everyone say that. We say it, but we call it collateral damage. We have taken perhaps 200,00 lives in Iraq and Afghanistan.
There is a need for some level of security to protect the people from criminals.
The only terrorists attack on our soil was Oklahoma City and it was done by a whacko ex military militia libertarian nutcase. He was snuffed out.
The antrax attacks were from anthraz made by the US government yet we have not be able to finfd out how it got from within our secuer bio weapons labs into letters to Tom Daschle and others. Ra Ra FBI.
There has been no evidence presented that AQ was responsible for 9.11. The FBI says so but everyone believe that we were attacked by AQ. It is all hear say evidence. We are not interested in catching OBL and trying him becuase the truth would come out that he was OUR CIA operative.
Most of our CIA operatives like OBL and Noreiga eventually decide that working for the USA stinks.. They get greedy and feel invincible and then we turn on them and take them out.
We are not stopping the drug problem because we prefer to fight a military type war of interdiction.
Everything has a military solution.
We have a mega billion dollar defense establishment that was unable to stop for commerical jet liners for over an hour when they were reported as hijacked.
We are terrorized by fals alam color coded terror alert every few months at convenient times to draw attention away from what the government is doing.
There is more than enough evidence which points to some sort of involvement of the government in 9.11… for sure in coverng up and destroying evidemnce…perhaps in negligence in letting it happen and worst of all … the attacks of 9.11 might have come from within our country and not from AQ or Islamists.
How about the lovely police who killed the Brazillian electrician in London after 7.7.. in a shoot to kill.. take no prisoner approach to terrorism. Anyone aftraid of being in public while having dark skin?
How many black ski nned people have been taken out by the NYC police dept? It;s not JUST Amidou Diallo, or Patrick Dorismond, or Anthony Baez… Its tens and tens of black people executed by the authorities. If you have a black or hispanic, or arab child in American there is a chance he will be executed by the police who “make a mistake” and shoot first because they feel threatened.
Terrorism is no more a threat than driving on the streets with all the intoxicated drivers out there. We don’t need to spend billions fighting this war.
THE GWOT is only there to replace the cold war. What would the military do without a mission? Without a big enemy to fight for decades.
They try to make you scared of Iraw or Iran or even Korea. None of these countries cares to tangle with the USA… but all will defend against aggression. And we always are the aggressors.
We interfered in Iran, In Chilem, in the Phillipines, in Nicaragua, in Panama, in Haiti, tried in Cuba… and of course the central African states. We reigh terror and destructionaround the world. OUR government is something to be feared… not only by countries with resources US corporations want.. but now by the people here who want to stop the madness.
We ARE living in that brave new world which 1984 portrayed. He was only off by a few decades eh?
I suppose you all feel more comfortable with armed gaurds in grand central station carrying machine guns? Or with them on the subway? O that they can search your bags at will now… or force you to travel with nothing and take your shoes off at an airport.
We are being terrorized by our own goverment and constantly being told we are not secure enough.
That asshat Schumer just released his report card and want MORE security… mroe surveillance… more intrusion.
We HAVE lost america… And the rest of the world either laughs at us or things we are crazy. If it wasn’t for the horrible worold economy that free market capitalism has created, the impoverished people of the world would not be streaming to the west in seach of work and a living.
The good news is that despite what anyone will do.. the economic collapse is coming sooner rather than later. The house of cards is going to crumble. The falso economy odf credit is not just you maxed out with your own pocket ful of cedit cards… it is the entire US economy driven by credit and no way to pay.
Wars won’t save us.. or some boogy man like Saddam as the enemy of OBL or Ahmedinajhad… Our allies will not fight that fight because they are not threatened by doing anything but being OUR accomplices in a scheme to dom inate the world.
Of course, in the process, consumerism has brought on global warming very nicely.. which is giving nature the ability to push back at capitalism. Too bad innocent people take a beating in that one. But you have to look at the big picture.. capitalism is responsible for the excessive use of energy and the trashing of the environment. The reaosn being capitalism is only interested in one thing – profit… and making the world a better place is not part of their mission statement.
The fall from grace is going to be very ugly.. but fall we will.
OT – Thinkprogress – “It’s a total fabrication. It did not happen.”
Clinton national security adviser Samuel R. Berger, responding to a key scene in ABC’s The Path to 9/11
http://public.cq.com/public/20060905_homeland.html
We’re creating terrorists over there so we don’t have to create them over here.
When Bush says he has heard our concerns, he’s not saying he understands; he just wants to remind us to watch what we say.
Feingold for President? Yes! But the powers that be in the Democratic Party are trying to shove Senator Clinton down our throats.
Hillary seems to be saying that voting to give Clusterfuck the authority to go to war was a mistake and based on false information. She now says that cannot get out now- but that the time is coming soon. That’s my summary of her letter linked above.
cleter @ 41
Pinochet?
OT again – ABCs Path to 9/11 blog returns:
http://blogs.abc.com/thepathto911/
-via ThinkProgress
There have been many mistakes mankind has made… one of them religion.. is repeated over and over again. Why.. because it oppresses women and seeks to control and exclude.
We have to fear fundamentalists because they are completely irrational and act out of hatred and ignorance.
The milquetoast vaieties of religion neither offend or matter as much as the more virulent fundamentalist vaieties of christianity, islam and judiasm. Lots of terror is done in the name of god… how about that for a joke?
Are we winning the war on terror? Good question.
We certainly aren’t winning the war in Iraq.
The war we thought we had won in Afghanistan is sliding into defeat.
Free elections do not signify that terror is on the run, not when the governments of both Iraq and Afghanistan seem wholly ill-equipped to actually govern, and why is that? Because the security situation won’t allow it. There has been little or no progress in the assertion of the government on the country, which is rendering it a government in name only.
What about no terror attacks in this country since 9/11 – other than the anthrax attacks, which have never been solved? As has been pointed out numerous times, it was eight years between the first attacks on the WTC and the next attack, and only 5 years since 9/11.
The only things that have been done in this country to prevent another attack are ones that encroach on personal freedoms and defy existing law. TSA is a joke – a rather unfunny one for those who travel by air. Port security? Rail security? Chemical and nuclear facility security? Nada. Zip. Zero. It’s like telling a kid that in order for him or her to be safe, you have to monitor them at all times, but you aren’t going to keep the house locked, or make sure your car has good brakes, or make the kid where a helmet when he rides his bike.
Look at the numbers worldwide – the number of attacks, the proliferation of weapons, and there is no way one can argue that we are winning anything.
While the President may be correct in his analysis that the war on terrorism is expanding to other regions, he fails to see that his approach to the issue…particularly his decision to invade Iraq and the fact that progress in the troubled country seems elusive…may well be creating the new threats. Further, as he heightens his rhetoric in order to win votes by inferring that the origin of these extremists is Islam, he foments more animosity in more countries and the terrorism equation keeps growing.
If we concede that the President is sincerely motivated…and I might be inclined to concede as much…it nonetheless doesn’t make him right. Additionally, if his approach is wrong and it is actually inciting more terrorists, then his convictions simply amplify the problem and diminish the potential for him to chart a new course. In the end, his rhetoric may well be more dangerous if it is sincere…but one cannot argue that his recent remarks aren’t political. The fact that his politics stem from his ideology is no comfort to the many Americans that simply reject his conclusions. In fact, that merely makes it all the more important to counter his politics.
Read more here:
http://www.thoughttheter.com
“There are no quick and easy solutions to the long and drawn out conflict this Administration triggered that consumes a billion dollars a week, involves 150,000 American troops, and has cost thousands of American lives”. So says Hillary on 11/28/05. Yes there is a solution Hillary. Pull out now. Good God Senator, don’t you realize their is a civil war going on in Iraq? Clinton was triangulating then. And the Senator is still doing it.
cleter @ 41
Or Gore
Edward Teller -
Had to step out for a bit. Thanks for the information re: opium production and Taliban. I had a brain cloud for a moment there. :)
OT – CNN – talking about joe’s blog (that still isn’t there). says it will not be moderated or censored. Reporter mentioned the false hacking accusation by liebercamp but failed to mention lamont’s response. Said CT Att. Gen. still looking in to the matter.
Yesss. Gore works mighty fine!
I love digby!
Disney and the Dobsonites
on ABC’s docudrama…
(on the other hand, I hate Fucker Tarlson – “Fitzgerald’s investigation a complete waste of time”)
GW Clusterfuck finally has his campaign theme for the midterms:
“Vote for dems and the terrorists will kill ya- only goopers can protect ya”!
rwcole @ 62
…you forgot the ‘heh heh heh’ ;)
OldCoastie, thanks for the emptywheel link at 1:30.
Afternoon. I’ll add a few thoughts along the lines of rwcole’s analysis of Hillary. Hillary, and many in Congress say: “but we CAN’T get out now!” I wonder…I wonder what would happen if we DID pull out in the next 5-6 months? It’s all crystal ball stuff, but I’ll speculate some.
1. “Iraq will become a breeding ground for al queda”
Comment: after a pull-out, we’ll still “own the skies” over Iraq. If AQ sets up training camps, we’ll spot them, and obliterate them via airstrike.
2. “better to fight them there than here”
Comment: oh come on! I’ve sarcastically commented in the past about “landing craft approaching!”…but think about it. I don’t think we’ll sustain any formal attacks from the bad guys.
3. “Iran will take over Iraq”: Comment: wellll….if Iran sends a formal invasion force across the border, Iran better bring along a bunch of body bags. Our air assets will cream them. See #1 above.
4. “utter chaos will occur if we leave”
Comment: ummm, what exactly is going on now over there?? Actually, I DO think there’ll be alot of killing if we leave. But it’ll be them killing each other, not us. I don’t want to sound callous, but my loyalty is with the American soldier. If Iraqis want to kill each other for the next decade….that’s their business; their problem.
5. “we’ll suffer a huge loss of face in the international community, a big blow”
Comment: maybe so. But I apply a pragmatic view- will any nation-state attack us because they now think we’re “weak”? hell no. Will the Saudis stop selling us oil because they no longer respect us? Please. I just don’t think we’ll suffer much from a “nuts and bolts” level.
So…its all crystal ball stuff. But I’m just not seeing much that actually hurts America if we vacate the Iraqi joint.
Ghostman
No secondary social studies or history teachers will be using the Scholastic “Road to 9/11″ packet in our school district. Just finished checking.
Christy-
Thanks for bringing the Afghanistan mess to the front page of FDL. It seems that only the outrage about Iraq makes the news in many progressive blogs, Afghanistan being the truly forgotten conflict.
The promises made to the Afghani people remain as unfulfilled as the promises to the people of New Orleans Ninth Ward (and beyond). When big bloggers like you guys remember to write about the travesty that is the unfinished business in Afghanistan it lends creedence to the idea that the 1600 Crew is more about starting shit than finishing it.
Thanks for the coverage. Good on ya!
JF
Oklahoma kiddo @ 60 why do you hate Hillary so much,? you seem to be obsessed with her
Extremely cool thread over at Kos’ jont;
‘Plame Was in Charge of Finding WMDs in Iraq’
~ by the fabulous emptywheel.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/9/5/145252/5300
Seems Chimpy isn’t the only one who gave up on searching for OBL:
OT – update: joe’s website is still static – no changes… weren’t they supposed to launch that thing today?
This is slightly off topic but http://thinkprogress.org/2006/…..ribution// has the story of ABC/Disney planning to distribute 100,000 copies of “The Path to 9/11″ to high school teachers.
Out of control they are!
Pam in SC @ 68
I haven’t observed OK being consumed with hatred for Hillary Clinton. For myself, Clinton is dangerously wrongheaded about Iraq and since she is a prominent dem leader it’s not inappropriate to point out the obvious.
OldCoastie — there’s a relationship between F*cker Carlson’s bad mouthing of Fitz and the ABC POS crock-o-drama. It’s right there in emptywheel’s post that you so kindly linked for folks here.
IT IS TIME TO GET SERIOUS ABOUT A CONGRESSIONAL INVESTIGATION AND IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS. The material that emptywheel posted gives the supporting rationale; the White House and OVP knew this was coming, as did Karl Rove. It’s why the sudden rash of swiftboating of Fitzgerald as well as the continued attacks on Wilson’s and Plame’s credibility.
It is time to get serious about both L’affaire du Plame and the ABC propaganda, because they are deliberately designed to taint public opinion against further investigation. Read emptywheel’s post, FirePups, and David Corn’s essay that prompted EW’s comments. Here’s my reply to EW:
This administration can kiss my soccer-security mom *ss. F*ck their so-called family values. They are nothing but a syndicate, a CRIME FAMILY, needing only the right party to finally nail them on their racketeering. They are criminals who’ll toss the Wilsons to the wolves, who’ll toss an entire American city to the wind, who’ll kill hundreds of thousands of our global neighbors to further their ends.
At what point are we going to see some ACTION from conservatives on this criminality? It’s time to hold these so-called conservatives accountable; if they aren’t part of the solution, they are an obstructive part of the problem and we simply HAD ENOUGH of them.
“So…its all crystal ball stuff. But I’m just not seeing much that actually hurts America if we vacate the Iraqi joint”.
I’m in tune to this. Ghostman.
I’m sure that the Afghanis are still pissed at the US for trashing their country while fighting the Soviets in that proxy war against Communism back in the 80s.
Just packing up our shit and leaving without fixing up the place created a power vacuum that the Taliban and Al Qaeda all-to-happy to fill.
And the rest is history…repeating.
http://www.DumpJoe2006.com
http://www.Joe2006Blog.com
twolf1 @ 52
I just posted this in their comments section, but since it’s subject to author moderation, I don’t have high hopes of seeing it displayed:
Dear Mr. Cunningham and Nowrasteh,
The specific concerns of many, including myself, are that a film purporting to be a truthful portrayal of the events leading up to 9/11 in fact makes the dramatic *and untrue* allegation that the Clinton administration had Bin Laden at virtual gunpoint inside his house, then refused to allow his capture. “It’s docudrama not a documentary” does not excuse misrepresentation of history. Or to put it another way, if you’re going to accuse a former president of negligence, you have an obligation to your audience (not to mention the former president) to base your allegations on facts, not “fictionalized composites.”
Respectfully,
Pam in SC @ 68
I do have an obsession. Saving American soldier’s lives, the old, the sick, woman, children, and other innocents in Iraq. And I am obsessed with never letting another Bush, Cheney, Rove, Rumsfeld, Rice and the like, from ever gaining another foothold in the WH. I don’t hate people. I hate what some of them do.
http://www.tomdispatch.com/index.mhtml?pid=116512
Why it’s not working in Afghanistan
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The bigger import of the “can’t negotiate with al-Qaeda” duh statement is along the lines of the 9/11Iraq conflation.
He has equated al-Qaeda, Hezbollah, Hamas (and just about all overthrow orgs) WITH “state sponsors” of Syria and more especially Iran.
So it becomes – you can’t negotiate in the ME.
Unless, I guess, you want to have Chalabi come give a talk to the AEI. (btw – it’ll be interesting to see if EW can flesh out a tie between the relatives of scientists approach Valerie W. was in charge os and the more “rogue” type of operation described in Risen’s book)
In any event, he’s now at “no negotiations” for the whole situation, through the subtexts — the same way they had almost 50% of Americans thinking that the actual hijackers were Iraqi (despite the fact that none of them were Iraqi) — they are setting up the “we can’t negotiate, we have to bomb” text.
Damn – pays to read. What Scarecrow said.
Jenny, I am just so tired of all the anger and frustration shoved toward Dems, and this is the only blog where I can feel at home,but almost every OK makes comments she mentions her com temp for her. Sorry I guess my nerves are just raw. ( I haven’t gotten over Bush’s spew of lies today. Maybe I’m to sensitve I’m just looking for poeple who feel like me
Jo at 67 — you are more than welcome. We try to bring it up now and again as a reminder — because the promises made by the President of the United States should mean something. Period. And the people of Afghanistan, especially all those little girls who, for a brief moment got to know the hope of school and freedom, are never, ever to be forgotten. Period.
newest Corn on Plame — she was in charge of finding WMDs in Iraq before the War !
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, on the newsrack in front of my business, USA Today’s headline:
Gosh, forgive me, but didn’t we do that already?
And talk about deju vu:
*ilson46201 @ 84
Well now we know WHY they outed her. Well in addition to smearing her husband.
*ilson46201 @ 84
“if you don’t do what we want, we will GET YOU!”
Reads like that to me anyway… WOW! (no wonder the judges went all pale when Fitz told ‘em the Nat’l security implications!)
BREAKING NEWS: Blitzer is interviewing Alberto Gonzales. Abu knows where OBL is!! He’s in the Middle East!!!
OldCoastie @ 87
I guess she didn’t give Cheney the answer he wanted, . . . .
Kinda makes you wonder about all the ‘I don’t know Joe Wilson’ , etc. . . .
Kinda also makes you wonder what Fitzgerald knows.
Pam in SC @ 82
Hi Pam – I’m sure a lot of people feel like you, and I know how good it feels to express an opinion! I’m more in OK’s camp, though… if I were able to vote in NY I’d be all over Tasini. :)
moeman @ 69
And if she was in charge, and Cheney/Libby were preoccupied with that same question and dealt directly with the CIA on that question, they probably knew her, her position, her status, and her work from the beginning. And when she didn’t tell them what they wanted to hear, they smeared her as a nepotist to send a message to the rest of CIA. Grounds for impeachment.
Pam in SC @
82
Opinions are like a$$holes – everybody’s got one. You are not alone in your feelings – I have simply dropped people I have known for years because I couldn’t tolerate the right wing spew.
OK, OT, but has anyone checked out Patrick Murphy’s great advert which is posted over at Eschaton?
Only problem is, sadly for Patrick — well,
check out what he is wearing in the last few scenes (hint Mary4 would be appalled). If he loses a winnable race, we will know why.
Returning to my dungeon of self-imposed torture.
Love,
Imm.
imm -
Oh no! I met Patrick in Philadelphia last year and just love the guy. I’m afraid to go look at this, um, tie I’m guessing? Must be yellow … :)
twolf1 @ 88
Smart guy. That was one of my guesses, too. The other was “not in the Middle East.”
Jenny from the Blog @ 94
Indeed it is. :~(
scarecrow @ 91
Cheney had to have known. Now reconsider his Wilson op-ed margin comments: “Or did his wife send him on a junket?”
Fitzgerald’s court-submitted copy of Cheney’s notes here:
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.c…..ney-notes/
DrBB @ 44
of course, this is not only Al Qaida’s aim, it is also the neocon’s aim. Just listen to the rantings of Ann Coulter about the muslim world. Al Qaida and the neocons are willfully and effectively separating America and Islam.
Why then should we consider the neocons with any less contempt than we have for Al Qaida?
uhhhh… new thread… only 25 minutes late ;)
The front page picture accompanying this Times article today is heartbreaking. It shows an Afghan women standing forlornly in an empty beauty shop; she had hoped to start a small business training beauticians after the Taliban were run out and here she is, hopes crushed.
We’ve been concentrating on the situation in Iraq for so long that it’s startling (and depressing) to see what’s happened to Afghanistan. Just think how different it would have been if we’d spent the last 3 years in that country alone. Maybe this woman would have had a business to run.
twolf1 @ 28
Hey, Eureka Springs, I got your reply. Thanks for moving the EPA antiwhistleblower back story along.
FYI, read the papers on the EPA case, looked for a signing statement (there was none), and added some further thoughts. It’s #187 under “Fact or Fiction.” It adds to what was posted last night. Worth a look.
Well it looks like it is that time in the election Cycle when Bin Laden is trotted out by Bush to scare the average voter. I have to admit that Bin Laden is scary, but I hope the voting public is on to the fact that Bush continues, and perhaps is doing less, about the threat of Bin Laden now than he was not doing after the 9/11 bombings,(9/11 Commission implementation).
I find it hard to believe that we, as a nation, are safer under Bush and the “Do Nothing Congress” then we were before. Bin Laden bides his time, and that is what we should be aware of. Not Bushes empty rhetoric.
Matt
Just remember. 9/11 was a Bush government job. Why should he be afraid. It’s US that’s supposed to be afwaid, be vewy afwaid! bahhhhhh.
I wonder if Bin Laden didn’t die a long time ago, and they’re keeping him alive in print and tape to scare people. Keeps them in power (see George Orewell).
OBL is on ice and will be thawed out in time to impact the 2006 elections.