I caught IAM president Tom Buffenbarger and Vic Fingerhut on C-SPAN discussing a poll the IAM had commissioned Fingerhut to perform. Directly from the IAM website:
“The survey revealed dramatic political potential for the candidate or party willing to give more than lip service to America’s blue-collar concerns. Every job creation idea tested in the survey, from tax incentives to keep jobs in the U.S. to new investments in high tech industries, drew strong support from four-fifths of the respondents. Additionally, seven out of ten voters polled said they would be willing to forgo current or future tax cuts for programs to create or protect U.S. jobs.”
And the money shot:
“The blue collar vote in these four core states is still up for grabs,” said Buffenbarger. “The candidate who ultimately connects with these workers could ride that support all the way to the White House. The candidate who ignores them will do so at his own expense.”
Labor Day begins a contemplative season for me. My father passed September 13th thirty one years ago, and he comes back strong this time of year. I was on the job September 11, 2001 on a Tar Heel blue day – high pressure system, moderate temperature, absolutely beautiful. The beauty ended when a co-worker ran into operations and said, “A missile has hit the Twin Towers!” We watched horror unfold. I fielded the call from my dispatcher asking how many additional flights we could handle – the FAA was grounding the fleet. One flight got into it with dispatch – he was fueled for Florida, and a North Carolina landing would be ‘heavy’ – overweight due to fuel. Dispatch told him Seymour Johnson AFB F15’s would shoot him down if he did not comply. And this time of year, I reflect on how goes it for working folks and our grand democratic experiment – you cannot have one without the other.
Just as this Administration took advantage of September 11, 2001 to press their Middle East fiasco vision, so too have they taken advantage to press their fascist economic vision. They have allowed corporations to use bankruptcy laws in ways Congress did not intend to bust unions in steel, aviation and automakers. It is a golden era for the moneyed interests: for the working class, not so much. Just up the road from me is the best outboard marine mechanic I have ever known. He gets all of my business, and I have happily recommended him every chance I get. When he opened his shop a few years back, he sold 80 – 100 motors a year (they range from 8 to 70 horsepower), and had more repair work than he could handle. Last year, Jimmy sold 23 motors. This year, 3. And repairs have gone in the toilet, too. His customers can’t afford to operate their small boats; in fact, a significant percent of his few repairs have been for owners who were going to turn around and sell their boats. He has applied for work at some of the big dealerships, whose top-end business (cabin cruisers, big offshore fishing boats for local king mackerel tournaments) has never been better. They’re offering him $7 an hour.
The agglomeration of fanatical Christian right and neo-fascist business interests are not going to change their minds – “winning is not everything; it’s the only thing” to them. There is a persuadable middle that has leaned Republican lately, which we need to lean our way. We, the choir, know those details backwards and forwards, so I will not rehash them.
Apparently, my former union, the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers is getting hip, too.
The facts are right there in front of the Democrat power structure. Will they connect the meaning of this poll to the meaning of Ned Lamont, and act?
President Buffenbarger, the “candidate who ignores them” is sometimes a Democrat. And the expense is born by the membership.
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Samuel Gompers!
Jimmy Hoffa!
Walter Reuther!
John L.Lewis!
Has Bush ever made a Labor Day speech at a union blue-collar shop?
This poll was taken four years ago. Was the discussion you watched on C-SPAN an old one? I imagine the data is still relevant today.
As for Walter Reuther, I highly recommend an article about retirement benefits that appeared within the past couple of weeks in The New Yorker.
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/.....828fa_fact
One more observation: I fear workers–even Dems!–have unconsciously fallen for the demonization of labor unions in this country.
Joe Hill!
Eugene Victor Debs ! (a fellow Hoosier)
Peterr @ 5
I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night,
alive as you and me.
Says I “But Joe, you’re ten years dead”
“I never died” said he,
“I never died” said he.
“The Copper Bosses killed you Joe,
they shot you Joe” says I.
“Takes more than guns to kill a man”
Says Joe “I didn’t die”
Says Joe “I didn’t die”
And standing there as big as life
and smiling with his eyes.
Says Joe “What they can never kill
went on to organize,
went on to organize”
From San Diego up to Maine,
in every mine and mill,
where working-men defend their rights,
it’s there you find Joe Hill,
it’s there you find Joe Hill!
I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night,
alive as you and me.
Says I “But Joe, you’re ten years dead”
“I never died” said he,
“I never died” said he.
When I take my Toyota Camry in for repairs, there is a big sign at the back of the shop that says, “Hourly labor rates $65 an hour.”
The mechanics I believe are getting $35/hour minimum, but this is NY.
Still….$7/hour?
off-topic, except if you consider how hard pluto works to make a complete orbit around the sun:
50 friends and collegues of clyde trombaugh, the man who discovered pluto, gathered at the u of new mexico campus to protest the iau’s demotion of pluto from planetdom.
meanwhile, over 300 space physicists and nasa scientists have signed a petition calling for a re-examination of the iau’s definition, in light of the fact that less than 475 of the 10,000 iau members actually participated in the now-famous decision to demote pluto.
these pieces and more pluto platitudes are perusable at skippy.
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Ed*ard Teller@2 - “Has Bush ever made a Labor Day speech at a union blue-collar shop?”
Bwahahaha….and if he had ~ he’d probably be as eloquent as ever. Oh look, I just happen to have an example ~ this just in from his Labor Day Speech. Whatcha’ think people? Sound like a 5 year old maybe, or am I giving him too much credit? I think I am; my 5 year old grandson could talk more intelligently.
“The problem is we get oil from some parts of the world and they simply don’t like us,” Bush said. “And so the more dependent we are on that type of energy, the less likely it will be that we are able to compete, and so people have good, high-paying jobs.”
“And now ya’all ~ may I read from “My Pet Goat?”
The agglomeration of fanatical Christian right and neo-fascist business interests are not going to change their minds – “winning is not everything; it’s the only thing” to them.
True, but the fanatical Christian right and the business interests are also learning that they define winning in different ways at times. The more fanatic each gets, the more stark those differences become. For a while, they’ve made common cause, but I think that’s beginning to change. Maybe not much yet, but that’s the way things are headed, IMHO. Neither wants to be seen as being “used” by the other, either. In a couple of Republican primary races, these two have backed different candidates, and that’s only going to happen more often down the road. The same can be said of some ballot issues, like Missouri’s stem cell initiative. TheoCons hate it, while business folks (neo-fascist and otherwise) are more inclined to back it.
Progressives may not be able to persuade either group out of their beliefs, but we can exploit the gaps between these two groups to electoral advantage.
Horsewoman @ 10
“The problem is we get oil from some parts of the world and they simply don’t like us…”
We need to cut our reliance on oil from the energymen of Houston, Texas.
I went slummin’ at HuffPo (hey, it’s the holiday, yo) and found this:
K-Fed raps as well as Bruce Springsteen dances
And I just had to share it.
Sorry.
“Don’t hate, ‘cuz I’m a Superstar…”
FYI for anyone who is interested, I’ve transcribed Howard Dean’s Face the Nation appearence
http://howardempowered.blogspot.com
“We need to cut our reliance on oil from the energymen of Houston, Texas.”
Amen “ifthethunderdon’tgetya”….amen.
And on-topic ~ diogenes’ tale above of the outboard motor mechanic is very telling; the rips in the seams are starting to show everwhere in this country…although the moneyed elite are oblivious. There are signs everywhere that the middle is starting to hurt bigtime in this country; the housing market is falling apart ~ all these “I want it now and oh sure PLEASE do whatever little fancy financing thing you can to get it for me!” is coming back now in the form of astronomical mortgage payment hikes that people can’t handle. A friend that has owned two highly successful hot tub dealerships in Marin County says the industry is more depressed than it’s been in their 27 years of doing business in it. A recent stint at the 2 week long Sonoma County fair brought her conversations with venders from the curly fries to the siding all saying they’ve never seen it this bad……
Diogenes wrote “The facts are right there in front of the Democrat power structure. Will they connect the meaning of this poll to the meaning of Ned Lamont, and act?”
And I sadly think ~ not if they’re right in the thick of the problem… if they’re PART of the problem — they won’t.
And so yet again…seems it’s up to us…..
Joe Hill you live on in more SOULS than you will ever know. or maybe not.
CNN is coming up immediately about the confrontation between Lamont and a challenger ..
I was at the Newtown CT. Labor Day parade earlier, as I was shaking Ned’s hand and thanking him for his hard work to which he replied, “I’ll work my heart out for this.”
A man marching next to Ned, handed me a small flier which I literally read not more that 10 min ago I just It was from the IAMAW. It seems they get it I hope the other Unions do as well.
On this Labor Day holiday I shall think of how much the Republicans, and George Bush and his twisted ideology have promoted, and through concrete actions have supported Dialectical materialism. Examples abound. Prime, and most recent of which perhaps would be Katrina and it’s “clean-up”. Workers are the backbone of this country. NOT Wall Street. Every day IS labor day. Workers come together. For the common good.
Peterr @
11
“True, but the fanatical Christian right and the business interests are also learning that they define winning in different ways at times. The more fanatic each gets, the more stark those differences become.”
Very true. They are not natural bedfellows. In fact, your everyday evangelical’s economic interests are harmed by their business friends of convenience.
Wedge issues, indeed!
From sunday Minneapolis Star Tribune:
$52,024: median household income in MN 2005. (Census Bureau)
$2,135: how much higher the median income in MN would be if it had kept up with inflation since 2000.
17.7: from 2003 to 2006, average annual % increase in corporate profits in the US. (Bureau of Economic Analysis)
$81,648: what the median income in MN would be this year if since 2003 it grew the same rate as corporate profits.
When are middle or less income earners still rah rah for this administration going to get it?
orangejumpsuit @
8
The shop rates at these dealerships range from $65 to $85. Because we are on the coast, and have way more folks than decent jobs, $7 is the result. Kids will take it because it’s a jump from minimum wage, and a path to better wages ($10-$14). My guy has 20 years experience, and is noted to be the best in the business in these parts.
I’ve recently taken a warehouse job to supplement my income while I finish school. With 20 years experience, $7 was my magic number, too.
Come on, December! (graduation)
*ilson46201 @ 17
I don’t quite know what was going on with that… CTBob said HoJo trailed the parade by about 20 minutes… looks like joe’s goons were trying to keep the couple with the baby off the tv… what I thought was more interesting was when Ned stood in line to shake whinerman’s hand, and you could see the hate dripping off Joe’s face…
OT - Lieberman marches alone as former allies surround Lamont
“There was a minor scuffle between a Lieberman supporter and a Lamont backer and police were called in, but no charges were filed. “
Just saw on CNN where NED put his hand to Loserman JOEY. JOE walked right past him. I have never been a fan of Joe’s, but that showed me, as an AMERICAN voter just how nasty JOE can be.
The DLC website claims they are a “progressive” organization. Rubbish. And this little group of movers and shakers are not pro-labor either. The DLC is a stain on the Democratic party. “Third Way”, indeed.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 27
The DLC has always represented the oxymoronic Big-Business Democrats.
It was a minor scuffle, nobody got hurt, more info late today, and I talked the person out of filing charges (we don’t want US to be the story, NED is the story!)
Got a pic of the Bushmask guy shaking Joe’s hand on my blog, and video will be up in about an hour. For the record, I have nothing to do with Bushman, but it was hysterical to see the look on Joe’s face when he realized what he was shaking hands with!
Back to editing.
Susan S @
3
I believe so. One united theme in the progressive blogosphere is that traditional Demo. institutions have moved to the country club, leaving working stiffs behind.
IMO, that was the point of Ned Lamont - to remind elected officials who their constituents are, and of the needs those constituents have.
Anytime our guys ‘get’ it, it is cause for celebration.
The C-SPAN dsiscussion was in context of the 2006 governors’ races.
The bankruptcy code is used by large corporations to break their promises to workers, primarily through rejection of union contracts and destruction of penison plans and retirement health care benefits. The principle beneficiaries are entrenched management and large capital.
Consider the airline bankruptcies. The workers, most of whom are in unions, are forced to take pay and benefit cuts. But the secured creditors walk off with the benefit. The money that should have gone to pay workers, the people who work so the planes make money, is instead funneled to the big banks and funds that lease the planes.
The rationale for this is that the planes have value, and the lenders get appraisers to provide evidence of that value. But, of course, they actually have no value unless someone is flying them and maintaining them. Everyone is afraid to let the airlines collapse, but that is the “free market” way to value the planes. If the planes have value, someone will buy them and start another airline. That will establish their value. Anything else is just a way to screw workers.
Obviously, management has overpaid for the planes. But do they pay the price with their jobs? No. Why? because that kind of expertise is so hard to find, so we have to pay to keep the failures around.
This is trickle-up economics, and it is the natural consequence of a society that values money more than people.
I saw Bushman on CNN
oh, gosh… now we gotta be afraid of stingrays!
Re economic downturn:
There is a LOT of money to be made when other people go bankrupt. A small number of people with money buy the assets of everybody else.
Who am I to say this? A known hothead, true, but also a Harvard MBA who sees how this plays out for the rich and powerful.
Take action: pay down your debt. Own real things, not paper. The day is coming…
Bushman was on CNN with his sign
OldCoastie @ 32
cnn - “we’ll have fresh reports on steve irwin’s death, and the threat underwater.”
fear fear fear!!!
OldCoastie @ 32
not in Indiana !
Behind the NYT wall…
40 Bodies Found in Baghdad on Violent Day
By PAUL von ZIELBAUER
Published: September 4, 2006
The violence occurred on a day when Iraqi officials announced a plan to take over operational command of Iraq’s army from the U.S. next week.
snip
Iraq near handover as 6 foreign troops killed
By Ibon Villelabeitia
BAGHDAD (Reuters) - The United States and Iraq hope to sign an agreement by next week to hand operational command of Iraq’s new army to Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki, Iraq said on Monday, after wrangles on wording had held up the accord.
http://www.swissinfo.org/eng/i.....7392404000
Connecticut Bob @ 29
I’m glad you were able to talk the person out of filing charges - the 2 second blip I saw on CNN, it had the air of being for the benefit of the cameras… boy, Joe can’t stand the sight of Ned! (1 second impression)
thanks for covering this, CTBob!
*ilson46201 @ 6
Several years ago (20?) I read Adversary in the House by Irving Stone. It made a huge unforgettable impact on me being from such a union state as Michigan to read what Eugene Debs went through for workers rights. I can’t imagine a Labor Day anymore without thinking about him, or what violent uprisings it took to insure worker, women, voting, and civil rights through the years by the brave people who risked their very lives.
It’s very clear unions are being busted, wages lowered, America is being purposely dumbed down, Third World countries being barely raised up, all to level the masses so that the powers that be that control the money can control the people and our planets resources to establish a one world government and one world bank.
I live in Minnesota lake country & sales of big, high-end boats have been way up here too.
Is Sept. 11 2006 the day that the US turns over Iraq to the Prime Minister?
fox news: democrats are like stingrays. they’re mean, don’t vote for them. now back to airline travel tips.
;)
twolf1 @ 42
Democrats! they stab you in the heart with their pointy, SCARY, tails!
ooooo, be afraid!
egregious @
33
I concur - the easiest way to make money is when you have some, and the other guy doesn’t. Try playing poker that way!
This is what the repeal of the inheritance tax amounts to - a subsidy for morons like Bush and Allen, who otherwise could not run a hot dog stand.
Trent @ 4
I agree this article is worth reading. Looks like Reuther had more foresight than a lot of management-types. Ultimately I don’t see how the traditional pension system won’t be nationalized/junked (imho).
masaccio at 31,
Given the results, I wish the ATSB had never been established, and market forces had been allowed to work.
That way, an airline or two, as opposed to the entire industry, would have been sacrificed.
now this is odd - Shays on the CNN website -
wonder if he’s been sent to his room without his supper by Rove?
The threat under water comes from, among other things, dying reefs. The seas are getting warmer and there’s less oxygen in the oceans. I don’t think our “leader” cares. Recall, George Bush’s “hero” (in this President’s own words), Ronald Reagan said once, that “trees pollute”. And oh yes. “When you’ve seen one Redwood, you’ve seen ‘em all”.
masaccio @31 - pretty much got the 11 thing nailed. :(
I wish I could find that Feingold quote on DLC and how it has gotten Dems to act dolts.
Coming a bit roundabout from Torture - Jane Mayer/NewYorker (if she’s not listed as a treasure she should be) has a great article up About Junior, America’s Top Al-Qaeda Clandestine Source
It’s also, at its heart, implicitly and in places explicity about criminal investigation and evidence and analysis v. rendition, kidnapping, torture, murder, threats against or torture of family members etc.
It’s also funny in spots. After reading, watching the CNN special, reading some more, etc. - I’d really like a special that focuses on Coleman taking the thread and Scheuer taking it as well. The tensions between CIA/FBI are pretty significant and the “sides” create a lot of bias, but that’s how you start to figure things out. The tension between fact based interpretations vs. talking points about pseudorealities.
*ilson46201 @ 37
Unless they are going 85 mph. (As in Corvette.)
According to experts the Irwin incident was so rare as to be “freakish.”
Company pensions have been a shell game from the jump, and the government knew it - they made the rules.
This is a major reason we need for Dem. pols to be held accountable to their constituents - you have to figure most of them knew about this rip-off, too.
ccmask @ 41
Is this what you are talking about?
Iraqi, US talks on command handover hit snag
Listen I’m all for hearing “Joe Hill” but can it be Shirley Horn or Dianna Krall singing instead of Joan Baez ?
just askin….
Tim
Local 47/AFM
tworl1: You, its funny how the prime minister is being spelled different on websites. Reuters spells it Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki, yet others spell it Nouri al-Maliki.
If you news google Nouri al-Maliki, you get 7,340 hits but spelled without the U, you only get 1,870. I wonder how the NYT spells it in my link @38. Anyone have a subscription?
Khatami, former president of Iran, just compared chimpy with osb on cnn…
OT– Holy Joe’s birth name is Joseph Isadore Lieberman.
ccmask @ 55
You say Osama, I say Usama, let’s call the whole war off.
CT BOB.
The picture you took of Bushman turned out great I’ll email it to you.
egregious @ 33,
The problem I’m facing is needing home repairs and having little choice but try to get a line of credit from the bank to pay for them. Ignoring them is not working.
It isn’t little things; it’s a roof and plumbing. If it isn’t taken care of…well, government housing is the prospect.
Should we call Joe “Jilly”?
ccmask @ 60
“Izzy”… Dizzy Izzy…
OT but hot off the presses:
“Page 6″: Overheard at a local Dem function. The New York coordinator for “Edwards in ‘08″, Jack Kashinsky, quit last week over Edwards endorsement of Ned Lamont, saying that Edwards “is in bed with the left wing crazies.” So major props to Edwards for his Lamont endorsement, which is costing him at least some support from his centrist constituency.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 49
One day soon, this will be true.
[back to lurking :)]
OldCoastie @
56
Did not hear Khatami’s speech but this has been done before by someone who pointed out that Junior and Osama are both spoiled rich kids who play the game according to their own rules.
op99 @ 62
gee, I keep forgeting that I’m a left-wing crazy… remind me to write myself a note…
OT - Anti-Defamation League hits MoveOn over user comments
Here’s my Labor Day salute
fyi–Prof Chomsky on cspan2 now.
op99 @ 63
Jumpin’ Jack Kash. Who needs his sorry ass?
Margot @ 60
Margot—But you are making a sensible decision about investing in the house, keeping it fixed up to a minimum standard. That improves its value and protects your primary asset.
My concern is people who take the riskiest mortgage available for spending money. Interest-only mortgages in an era of rising rates are going to start crashing.
Foreclosures, bankruptcies, asset sales to the rich and powerful.
It’s an old story, I just want to pass along this small candle to prepare people here at fdl.
What is the deal with Khatami being here, anyway? Seems odd.
Sorry for such obsessed OT, but: Craig Murray, ex- British diplomat in Uzbekistan, on US Double Standards and Use of “Good Torture” in Uzbek while Decrying “Bad Torture” by Hussein.
The “not a law enforcement matter” and “we don’t torture” and whole mess follows me around like a shadow.
Murray describes his assignment to Uzbekistan - Britain’s and America’s “ally in the WOT” in 2002. He starts off with an incident soon after he arrives,
But the Uzbek President was a close “let’s have tea” buddy of the President’s bc he was willing to allow us to use a Russian airbase.
After Murray conflicted strongly with US Ambassador John Herbst’s glowing democracy praise of Uzbek in a speech:
But under UK/US info sharing, Murray says he was seeing incorrect, torture testimony relied upon by CIA and M16
He discusses the “difficulties” Powell was having certifying Uzbekistan for aid, what with boiling people alive, but gosh, look what happened when things looked dicey:
Again, there is no doubt some hyperbole, but these are the people that are GWB’s - and our Dept of Justice’s BFFs in the WOT. And while we are playing with rules for commissions to use torture testimony, we also have pending cases in our court systems intent on making a stab at getting around torture testimony - and at getting around any US culpability for engaging in or soliciting torture.
new thread
I forgot that saying m*rtg*g* is a problem. My bad.
ccmask @ 55
According to Rumsfeld, the reason for this would have to be that the guy with the U engaged in atrocities that look bad for the US, while the guy without the U got a medal for being wonderful.
It’s all very simple.
Khatami is here to attend a major US Muslim conference just outside of Chicago. Robert Fisk was speaking as well. It’s gone pretty unnoticed except for Khatami’s appearance.
In fact, Fisk has written a little column trying to make sense of the experience:
http://news.independent.co.uk/.....325459.ece
ccmask @ 61
What’s wrong with jizzy
Though jilly is also good.
angie @ 69
Perhaps take a look… that is, supposing you haven’t already.
http://www.chomsky.info/articles/20060819.htm
I’m watching the Prof., now. Been paying attention to this great human being for over thirty-five years now.
jcricket @ 64
No need to lurk. Come out and let us know what you are thinking, about this and that.
Oklahoma kiddo @
78
he’s one of my heroes! His voice on “just war theory” gives me goosebumps.
On my computer desktop is a photo taken in 1900 in Pittsburgh of the national nominating convention of the Socialist Democratic Party. There’s a picture of Marx and a poster that says “The Emancipation of the Working Class must be the Work of the Working Class Itself”.
I believe that both Debs and my grandfather are in the picture.
Am I proud?
Will I ever hear the kind of language of that poster?
by 1901, several socialist parties joined together properly and formed the Socialist Party of America right here in Indianapolis !
Thank you for the link Siun.
It has been a completely below the mediareportdar. You would think that a chance to speak with American Muslims at a big event like that would have been seized on for some pieces. ?
I saw Harlan County, USA. I recommend it to everybody for a great Labor Day movie.
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I am at once, microscopic in Chomsky’s giant shadow.
me too.
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