
As a fairly infrequent contributor to FDL, I find myself more often than not just another fan in the bleachers. It’s nice work if you can get it, actually, what with the Snarkosaurus Rex, Jane and Pach kicking ass and taking names day and night and then waking up in the morning to more of a fascinating mix of legal analysis and West Virginia culture from CHS…
TRex and I are from a rural family. One of the reasons I love Christy so much is that she reminds me of cousins of mine- redheaded descendants of the immigrant Civil War veterans who settled the Appalachians in the 1870s. Many of those immigrants were just off of the boat from Ireland and Scotland when they were drafted in the Union Army. Once the shooting stopped, the men that survived spread west and south, looking for land to plant and places to build humble houses. My great great grandfather was one of these men.
Pat Buchanan has said very little in his life with which I agree, but one thing he said that has resonated with me: America was a great country before it was a rich country. My grandparents scratched a living out of the earth and lived humbly. They were able to save their pennies and buy building materials over the years, and they never had a mortgage payment, a car payment or a credit card payment. To paraphrase Loretta Lynn, they were poor but they were proud. There was a time when it was not illegal to be poor, nor was it considered a moral failing. Men who took advantage of honest people to enrich themselves were not thought of as honorable men. I don’t know when the rules changed, but I think I can guess who was in the White House at the time.
Christy often references home canning or produce stands in her FDL entries, when they aren’t about the rules and arcana of putting bad people in jail. My grandparents farmed hard all summer and put up tomatoes, sweet potatoes, pickles, corn, black-eyed peas, okra, pear jelly, fig preserves and a dozen other good things to eat each summer. That was how they were able to eat all winter long. I learned from watching them.
TRex and I had to go up and help close their house this summer. My grandfather knows that I have taken over the position of Family Gardener, so he gave me two tillers. One is an old-school plow. Not a mule-drawn one, mind you- it’s one that was designed for one man to push it to break the earth. It has an iron plow blade on it and an iron wheel. The handles are wooden. It’s the sort of plow only a man too poor to own a mule would push. It was his first plow. He also gave me his massive 6.5 horsepower rear tine tiller. I could take that thing out and plow a row down the center of highway 29. It’s massive. That was his last plow.
He told me "I broke a lot of ground with both those tillers, son. I hope you will too."
I also inherited my grandfather’s quail hunting shotgun. It’s not some Itailian-made shooting jewelry like a man would take on a canned quail hunt (and use to subsequently shoot one of his biggest fund-raisers), but it does the job on birds, as I recall. My papa put a good bit of meat in the freezer with that thing when times were tough.
I think all of us could learn a lot from our grandparents- things about sustainable agriculture and how not to be sucked into mindless consumerism and revolving credit debt hell. My life would be terribly different and MUCH MORE FREE if I was able to live with no mortgage payment and I was paying cash for everything.
My grandmother used to tell me that her father would go to the dry goods store in autumn and return with half a pig (smoked), a bushel of cabbages, a barrel of apples, and 25 pounds each of the following: coffee, flour, and sugar. That was what they needed to survive the winter, on top of whatever they had canned and dried. Milk? See the cow about that. Eggs? Chickens over there… The woods were full of deer, rabbits and squirrels (hey, don’t knock it- country squirrels are tasty! Lord knows what city squirrels eat, though…) and the streams had fish in them. There was clean water in the well and quail in the fields.
Most of rural America lived like this prior to the New Deal. The prosperity that followed World War Two (and was the rising tide that floated Americans to the top echelons of wealth compared to other people in the world) drastically increased the buying power of American consumers and moved many, many people into the cities and closer to factories.
I only mention this because the wife and I have been working very hard to turn the clock back on our little farm. (Regular reader and commenter Old Sow is way ahead of us, I admit, but we’re working on it.) There have been plenty of times as I looked at a failed crop of collard greens, a cherry tree decimated by caterpillars or a peach tree that won’t bear fruit when I have said, "Well damn. This ‘living simply’ sure can be complicated…"
I think that we’re preparing for Bush’s "re-Hoover-ization" of the (soon-to-be-former) middle class. We’re knocking down debt as fast as we can and trying to prepare for a time when our dollar either doesn’t come in as fast or go as far, or both. If the collapse of the housing industry about which Atrios has been musing doesn’t come to pass, then all the better. We’ll be healthy, strong and rich. If it does and the economy goes room temperature, well… we’ll just have to live like my grandparents. I think I’d be alright with that, though.



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Patrick is in da’ house!
Your grandpa have a Winchester Model 12?
windje
Fitz!
Patrick,
Most us (all of us depending how far back you go) at one time or another came from families that lived on “Farms”.
And most of us (myself included) don’t have a clue as to what we’ve lost with that connection to the land.
I like my computer (that’s a funny thing in and of itself *g*), but I at times I wonder just how much we’ve lost without that “touchstone”, the Land!
A dear friend of mine who started out life pretty successful (parents well-educated and well-to-do) and got moderately more successful in a profession, recently spoke about people who work with their hands and have trouble paying the bills every month as “losers”. I was shocked. (Do I need to point out that he is a deacon in his church? I mean, with such a Christian attitude….) I suggested that people who work hard are always to be appreciated, that the workers who take care of his children in daycare and his mother in a nursing home are making only $8 an hour maybe but are performing essential tasks in his life, and he could hardly be “successful” without their help. But he just shook his head. “If they had any initiative, any ambition, any smarts, they’d be accountants like me.”
I just can’t understand that viewpoint. And you know, I don’t think it’s what his parents thought. I think it’s part of that “greed is good” mentality, only now they’re not even honest enough to call it greed. They call it “initiative”. Like, you know, getting an accounting degree requires initiative. When he started referring to himself as an “entrepreneur” (because after years working for a big accounting firm, he took his best clients and opened his own practice– very entrepreneurial, huh), I just laughed at him. I said, “You are exactly what your parents planned for you to be. Only they probably planned for you to be a little more grateful about it.”
All of my grandparents were phenomenal and their legacy is what makes me who I am. My parents and sibs live that dream of “be the best you can be” everyday.
The Golden Rule rules.
Thank you, Patrick.
Patrick,
I am on the same track as you. Looking at massive debt, and realizing I was just a money redistribution center, (being $40 short every week) I took a vow of poverty, took up the cloth, (leave the ladies alone) and went to paying off debt. Soon I will be debt free. Maybe then I can find out who I am.
There was a time when it was not illegal to be poor, nor was it considered a moral failing.
Patrick, thanks for writing that sentence. It’s at once a moral rebuke of what’s wrong with our country and a compass leading to its redemption. Now we can skip all of tomorrow’s cynical speechifyin’by the head talkers.
Nice job Patrick.
Is this that “personal responsibility” meme the pugs always spew? The ones who have had to raise the debt ceiling 5 times in the last 5 years on our national credit card?
Let’s start an FDL commune! We can grow and preserve our own food, and run our cars on leftover cooking oil from our home-grown french fries. Where should we locate it?
We’re doing the same thing, although we’re not as far along as you. We’ve been teaching ourselves vegetable gardening, and I’m going to try canning this year. I also want to try making butter, just to see if I can do it. I hope I don’t sound like a nutty “survivalist,” but let’s say things did go to hell in a handbasket in a big way. There are so many skills that our grandparents and great-grandparents had that we don’t have now. How to shoe a horse, tan leather, shear a sheep and turn the wool into clothing eventually, make your own medicine, and so on. There are days when I feel so bad for my son and all the kids his age, as well as their kids. Most of them aren’t at all prepared to deal with a time when just about anything they need isn’t just a cell phone call away.
The Ghost of Tom Joad
This was the themesong during the whole Katrina fiasco last year. I like the Rage Against the Machine version.
A taste:
Men walkin’ ‘long the railroad tracks
Goin’ someplace there’s no goin’ back
Highway patrol choppers comin’ up over the ridge
Hot soup on a campfire under the bridge
Shelter line stretchin’ round the corner
Welcome to the new world order
Families sleepin’ in their cars in the southwest
No home no job no peace no rest.
Welcome to Bushworld!
Also, things in Iraq look like they may be taking a turn for the worse as far as a “cohesive democratic state” is concerned. This is the money quote from the Kurdish leader Barzani:
“They are losers. They are not rulers or statesmen. They can’t run their region and they want to make Kurdistan just like their regions. The time of threats is over, no one has the right force his will on the Kurdish people.”
Doesn’t sound like things are gelling like Magellin.
Is this the beginning of the crack-up?
-GSD
Actually, I guess that should be “want” rather than “need.”
I suppose some would see it as defeatist and as a sign of a “glass-half-empty” mindset that we’re preparing for the post-rapture times by getting back to a simpler life and (for most of us) learning for the first time how to make some of our living off the land. So much for Friedman and the wonderful world of globalization where we’d all be sitting around doing big think and networking all day…
On a small scale this may all work very well, but if push really comes to shove and we see the kind of depression that Atrios hints at with his gloomy predictions for the real estate crash, then we’ll realize how vulnerable we’ve become with the suburban hell we’ve created: tiny plots with massive houses, inadequate water supply, complete dependency on driving long distances etc. etc.
Mr. & Mrs. Suburbia are going to be so very very screwed when they realize that their life allows zero flexibility and leaves them completely at the mercy of the world around them…
Morning, Patrick.
Very nicely done, Patrick.
You should read James Weeb’s “Born Fighting, How the Scots-Irish Shaped America”. You’ll find, as I did, that you have a lot in common with Mr Webb.
Mr Webb is running for the US Senate against George “Macaca” Allen this November. Unlike his opponent, Webb wants to get the Scots-Irish and the Afro-Americans to sit down at a table and see that they should be working together. That they have so very much in common.
I’m proud to be a Democrat, Scots-Irish, Virginian and voting for James Webb for senator.
My grandparents came from farms in Italy and they always had some kind of canning, preserving, drying going on in August/September. I learned the value of self-preservation, all though at the time I didn’t realize it.
Now my niece thinks nothing about self-preservation, it’s all about just consuming. No thought about the excessive packaging and the use of raw materials to satisy this artifical need that doesn’t exist.
Fine post, Patrick —
Does anyone remember the PBS series called “Connections: The day the universe changed”?? It’s author, James Burke opened the series, which was about how different discoveries connect in unexpected ways to things we take for granted today (like computers) by asking, what would you do if you had to do everything for yourself? Grow your food, make your own tools, prepare all your meals from what you grew or killed? Would you know how to prepare/clean/preserve it? Could you milk a cow, and even if you could, do you have any idea how to make butter?
Good luck on your journey, and please take notes and let us know.
Link to James Burke:
http://www.roycecarlton.com/speakers/burke.html
Both my grandparents grew up in Kansas. One was a successful farmer, and the other owned a telephone exchange (somewhat like a modern ISP would be today.) Both of them gardened and canned to get through the winters.
My dad was a child of the depression, and gardening was always at the top of his priorities so he could be comfortable in the knowledge that we could survive if another depression hit. I got the gardening bug from him.
When I was eight, he moved his family to California, and I was so happy to be in shirtsleeves on Christmas day in the bay area. Then, he moved us to northern California, where the gardening started afresh.
Along the coast of northern California, in those days, there were always salmon, halibut, steelhead and many other fish in the oceans, streams and lakes. We had deer (and sometimes bear) in the freezer to winter over. Friends and neighbors would share the bounty when they came into a windfall. We would pick wild berries and freeze them and if we had any left over we would give them away. It was the neighborly thing to do.
Like many others who made the transition to a technological society, I have seen those traditions of neighborly sharing die out, and I mourn that. Still, I try to do some gardening all through the year (we live in a relatively mild climate, so something can grow nearly all year).
I imagine many others can relate to this, and I appreciate your post because it dovetales with Pach’s earlier post on communities.
My Italian immigrant grandmother came from farm people and, living in the center of Erie, Pennsylvania’s about-to-be rust belt, plowed under her small rectangle of a back yard and planted vegetables. Little center sidewalk down the middle and crops on either side. Grape arbor at the front of the crops, just outside the back door where we sat for many a happy night. Little chicken coop in the rear of the yard.
She set up a farm stand directly in front of the house and sold a lot of her harvest. This was not during the Depression, it was years later. Eventually the farm stand led to a grocery store across the street. Many the night someone would wake her up to go across the street and open up for a quart of milk for a crying baby.
Now I’m a gramma and trying to find scraps of authenticity here in Florida for my g’daughter to remember in years to come.
What has happened to us in the intervening years?
Gordon20024 @ 17
Go Webb and Gordon2004– I grew up in VA and my heart is still there. I listened to bagpipes from a hill so many times in an undisclosed location along with George Allen and he is a RACIST.
But the sound of bagpipes remains– haunting.
GO WEBB!
Great post Patrick. As a red headed descendent of those Scots-Irish appalachian settlers, who also grew up on a working dairy farm (and reposed in the 70’s by the Federal Land Bank), I really related to this post.
A book that I have been telling EVERYONE about (I can’t say enough good things about it) is Michael Pollan’s The Omnivore’s Dilemna. My favorite part is when he goes to VA to meet the “grass farmer” Joel Salatin, a sustainable agriculture pioneer.
I was born here in Oklahoma, though I spent much of my life in California and some in Florida. I surely do understand what so many in America have missed. Things like actually seeing stars at night, because of the lack of smog. Driving 20 or thirty miles on a highway with not a single car of truck ahead or behind you. As far as the eye can see. Walking to work. Real family farms and ranches are all around. A high school, middle school and elementary school all under one roof, with a total student population of a bit less than three-hundred kids. Dusty roads all over the place. Birds and coyotes, foxes, bob-cats, wild turkeys, deer, buffalo and more. All around. People you’ve never met waving and saying hello to you. Not locking your doors at night or your cars in the parking lot. Fireflies all over the place. And so much more. Oh sure, there are trade-offs. But living here is like being in a time warp. And I’ve done the other things in big cities. And I wouldn’t trade what I have for a billion bucks. “Oklahoma!” I’m in high cotton. And one day, this state will be blue. Again. We’re workin’ on it.
Oh — and butter is not that hard!!!! Just takes a perservering arm and some mental patience.
What an excellent post ~ we are indeed so very far in this country from living in any way that appreciates the core simplicity and value to be found in the things to which you speak here. Our society is bombarded with commercialism ~ we are brainwashed from every…single…angle…to want, want, want; achieve according to *others* standars of what we should have to be successful; we begin the indoctrination in our schools at tender ages ~ and build on it.
The older I get, the more “allergic” I’m becoming to it all; television? Daily Show, Colbert…occasionally; anything else almost makes me physically ill ~ I so relate to comments here re “how can you WATCH those people???” Newspaper? VERY selectively online. Sites like FDL, others that emote an energy, sensibility and like-mindedness that enriches – and doesn’t drain me – are my societal update reconnects of choice these days.
I find my thoughts turning often to how we could adapt our 5 1/2 acres to be a haven of sustainability in a world threatening to deconstruct. Could the kids and their families move up here; could we install solar for our well – begin to think bigger and better for the garden. On the one hand, I think there is a value indeed to going back to basics we have strayed so far from – on the other hand? The reasons I am thinking that way……make me exceedingly sad.
Most of the communes are long disolved by personal strife and most of our grandparents worked it out alone with their neighbors for assistance when needed. Personal responsibility and cooperation are necessary for human life to be a joy and mean something other than greed for goods. It all burns up in the fire so why grab for it, unless you want a bigger funeral pyre?
Meanwhile, I’m ordering a new pair of jeans on line. I am so ashamed.
Anybody remember mulberry trees, or catfishing, or picnics along placid streams, and eating pickled pigs’ feet? Some of the things I remember of Kansas when we took trips back to the “old country” from California.
Patrick, that’s a lovely garden. is it yours?
I’m envious. We have so many critters in our foothills that planting a garden without fully enclosing it is impossible. I planted one for me and three for them…and they just took little bites out of all the ripe ones. Grrrr.
Grandparents – My Italian set came in the l800’s as immigrants to SF. My great-grandmother (whom I adored) was a cleaning woman and her husband started a trash hauling business. They made their own soap, canned everything, gathered mushrooms in the Santa Cruz mountains and made wine from their own grapes. Today, their descendents own 4 apartment buildings in Cow Hollow, thanks to their hard work and frugal habits. That’s my Dem side.
My “American” set, now there’s another story. My grandfather was an engineer and traveled all over the country building things, like the Roosevelt Dam in Arizona. He had two separate families, one in New Jersey, one in Florida, neither of whom knew about the other. Two wives, 7 kids. He kicked my dad out of the house at 15 for volunteering some admiring words about FDR and then moved the rest of the family while dad was in the army and didn’t tell him. Dad came home on his first leave and spent his first night home wandering the neighborhood looking for family until a neighbor took pity and told him where they were. My father and his father never spoke again. The family fragmented after that; my grandmother was devastated when she found out about the other family. That’s my republican heritage.
Sigh.
My ancestors were celtic,and came here to ore. in the 1840s.I,like you have decided that returning to “the good earth”is the best that life can give.I just recived my paperwork from oregon”Tilth”,the certification people for organics,and am hopeing 150 fruit trees,and a monster garden will provide gainful employment and lifestyle for my tribe, should the bushies suceed in smashing our country back into the 1700s
Beautiful, but idealistic. You have knowledge, skill, and land to live “simple.” Most Americans don’t, won’t, and can’t. Thus, if those days return, you’ll become the new fat cat, the supporter of less government, you’ll be the prototype new Republican.
Mel ~ beg to differ. What’s the “intent” behind the desire to live simple? It takes a “fat cat” MENTALITY to be one ~ I have yet to see one of those on this site; except for maybe a troll or two…
John B. Brown @ 26
The 20th century was all about breaking up the extended family and community into ever smaller autonomous, disconnected units. The 21st century is going to be all about reassembling those small units into a bigger whole. It will happen because of economic necessity, as alluded to in Patrick’s last paragraph. But it ain’t gonna be pretty, as you point out.
Thomas Jefferson was an avid farmer among all the other things he had talents for. Gardening and experimenting with new plantings was one of his loves. I often go to the site that has a collection of his letters on politics, law and government, here:
http://etext.virginia.edu/jefferson/quotations/
Oklahoma kiddo @ 24
perfect.
This is one of the nicest remembrances I’ve read in many a moon. The current state of the world has had me thinking about simpler and happier times and about my wonderful ancestors who were like those you mention. Thank you for sharing.
TRex @ 28
S’okay — everyone knows how hard it is to fit a 60 ton therapod butt into store bought jeans . . .
op99:
Yes, absolutely!
scarecrow at 19 – yes, I didn’t see the original episodes on tv, but I watched some of them in college, including that one. Very sobering.
Patrick, great post. I’m another debt-consumed apartment-dweller with very little connection to the land. Just yesterday, I came across this book: Better Off: Flipping the Switch on Technology (Amazon page, through the referral link up top, but I don’t know if it will count as an FDL referral or not). This guy went even farther than, I suspect, any of us. A couple of blurbs, first about the book:
And one about the author:
I know I’m not eager to give up running water and electricity, but if the crash comes, all of us (who aren’t independently wealthy, that is) will have to make some difficult choices of one sort or another.
I worked for years in a local assessors office — in the older parts of Indianapolis, the lots were narrow but deep because a backyard vegetable garden was de rigeur. Newer property comes in all sorts of shapes — flowers and grass rule the yards.
Mel @ 32
Sorry Mel, but I totally disagree.
In my part of the country, its the DFL – Democratic Farmer Labor party.
Most if not all of the major political parties in history originated with folks living on the land.
I might suggest you go back and read some history books! *g*
Actually Trex, ordering clothes and other stuff online is totally in line with the emergence of a re-integrated family and community. Recall that many of the craftsman houses were ordered through Sears back in the 1920’s. They were kits.
The marvelous Sai Baba says:
There’s enough for everyone’s need,
not for everyone’s greed.
Beautiful morning post, thanks. I don’t agree with Buchanan’s views often, but do respect the man for his consistancey. He reminds me of Goldwater in that respect – he stands by his word. Don’t I wish that most republicans did that. Buchanan seems to have a more logical mind, also, eschewing the notable hypocracy of the rest. He’s a good American you could sit down and disagree with, then have a bite to eat and enjoy the meal anyway.
Can’t think of another one just now, but I’d like to try.
Mommybrain @ 30
Geez, Mommybrain! we could be related! I had Italian greatgrandparents landed in SF in the late 1800’s, but they moved to San Juan Bautista and opened a bakery…
My wife’s parents were first generation Scandinavian immigrants – Sweden and Iceland. Their parents came to America to farm and fish in NW Washington state. My wife’s cousins still farm in the Skagit Valley.
My mom’s parents were mixed. Her mom came to Chicago from Norway, her dad was part of the 19th century Scots Irish immigration wave. May dad’s family has been in North America since the early 17th century. Farming wasn’t a part of my parents’ recent past, though.
My wife and I garden fairly seriously. And we put up lots of food. So far, we’ve put up about 350 or more pounds of fish – halibut, salmon, smoked salmon and razor clams. My wife and daughter have put up five batches of jam – raspberry-blackberry-rhubarb, raspberry-orange, raspberry-currant, raspberry-blueberry, and (you guessed it) raspberry. Also, we’ve put up 18 containers of pesto, a couple batches of kim chee, pickled green beans, frozen rhubarb, green beans and peas, and dried thai, ancho & serrano peppers. Still to go are potatoes, beets, carrots, burdock root, dried boletus and silver salmon. I probably forgot some stuff. We’ll be eating greens, peas, cukes, zucchini and carrots from the garden until it freezes hard, which could be any time from tomorrow night until Thanksgiving.
I don’t hunt. I did when I was younger, and taught my son to hunt when he was younger, but he’s lost his fascination with that stuff, so the guns are locked up.
sofistic @
43
The first house my wife and I bought was a Sears and Roebuck craftsman, ordered from the catalog and built in 1928. It arrived on the train. Small and modest to be sure, but with a surfeit of grace and style, with overhanging eaves, a bay window in the dining room, wood floors and brass hardware. The front porch was inviting to visitors and deep enough to accomodate them, unlike the shallow afterthoughts that are tacked on new construction.
The point at which my life got better was when I stopped yearning for a return to regionalism and started making it happen.
Remember the Victory gardens during world war 2? People even grew mini-gardens in window boxes. Imagine this kind of thing decentralized like the internet is. We are already planting the seeds of a “new” culture, or maybe a renewed culture. Puts “roots” in a whole new light, huh?
Thank you for the wonderful picture and sharing your family history.These are sacred things that seem to have no place in our country now.
I remember my father telling me that growing up, he felt that living in the US had given him the greatest opportunity in the world. He was an immigrant from Ireland.
I remember thinking, that too,graduating from college I could do anything.
I know my children do not feel the same way.
Can one define a neo-Luddite as one who wants to return to the simple life without giving up the pickup truck/SUV, the cell phone, and the Internet?
Seriously my question is whether reverting to a self-sustaining life is practical for more than say, 0.5% of the population? That is one out of 200, not out of the question at all. Could be even be more like 1 out of a 1,000.
I congratulate Patrick on his good sense and good fortune, but his ideal is somewhat utopian today. Still, if you can do it, go for it. I would.
In fact, I even tried, but I failed. Back to living in a city. My head was in the right place, my capability not up to the challenge.
Now having a nice garden out back, that’s wonderful. As an apartment dweller I don’t even have that.
Great post. Thanks, Patrick.
It does seem that our society is experiencing a dual-motion phenomenon that kind of captures our post-industrial angst: futuristic high-tech isolation and return-to-the-soil organic cooperative living.
My ancestors were pretty good at making the most of meager resources too. The average size of a single-family farm in the midwestern US is roughly the same as the size of a farm that feeds a 100-person village in China. (Well, half of my family were Han farmers; the other half were Manchurian horsemen, but that’s another story.)
Confucius taught “The Three Harmonies”: (1) harmony of humanity and nature; (2) harmony of human and fellow human; (3) harmony of human with herself.
As our global civilization continues its headlong dive into who-knows-what-future, will we be able to maintain any semblance of “The Three Harmonies”?
Peace.
fellow Scandihooligan, ET!
Horsewoman @ 26
Horsewoman, I saw your note on the previous thread that you’re in the Redding area – I grew up in the foothills outside of Chico, not that far away.
I’ve had similar conversations with my cousin, about trying to buy a piece of land big enough to shelter/sustain us all if it came to that. It is sad to have to think that way.
I know what you mean about being “allergic.” I have only basic-basic cable hooked up to my tv, and even so I seldom turn it on. When the cable company accidentally gave me extra channels for a short time, I watched Home and Garden TV.
I envy those of you talking about your grandparents and great-grandparents; I only ever knew one of my grandparents, and her only a little. Another “resource” gone missing in many ways.
I’m glad to see someone talking about these things. I’ve been thinking much the same for several reasons. I’m concerned about food safety because of crazy things like the government allowing viruses to be sprayed on meats, the general degradation of gov’t agencies, major national corporations controlling the food supply, etc… I’d like to do whatever I can myself and the buy the rest locally.
We have an old greenhouse in the back on a double city lot in North Texas. It is in a sad state of repair at the moment but we want to get that fixed by next year so the following year can be productive. The summer sun is so hot here that without shade things just dry and burn up. We did not have much to show for our efforts at patio gardening this year.
So far we have only managed to reconstruct the cold frame but as time allows, we want to bring the property back to it’s glory days. I’m not sure we can ever eat entirely off what we grow even with biointensive methods but we plan to give it a serious try.
I live downtown in a house on a 20×100 foot lot. Lots of shade, no garden. I can fruit every fall, and I can’t wait to get to the local peaches after I take my comprehensive exams next week.
I have had a back to the land fantasy that involved a goat farm, a windmill, a vegetable garden, and a passively solar heated house. The fantasy got stronger around Y2K, of course.
But the fact of the matter is that while it is our moral obligation to tread lightly on the earth, the earth does not have 5 acres of fertile agricultural land for every family, never mind the 100 acres I was looking for.
We need to learn to live together with justice and equity and civility. We need to build social housing that is passively heated, to build neighborhoods that allow for children to breathe and play and grow, to build cities where no one need drive and where everyone can grow tomatoes.
Much recent back-to-the-land literature comes out of a racist, fearful, nativist ideology. It’s like the flight to the suburbs was not enough for some people.
I am not willing to guard a well stocked pantry or windmill or woodburning fireplace or goats with arms. I need to find ways for all of us to enjoy the life that Patrick is showing us how to live.
A nice modest proposal from scout to send our friend Jonah to a place that offers the opportunities to return to ’simpler times’
http://www.first-draft.com/~dr…..mp;thold=0
I’m not sure we need to start a commune as much as we need our own town…
I figured out if I ever want to retire, I’m going to have to leave So Cal but I’m not sure what direction to head, but I will tell ya’, I look at the USDA zone maps carefully to see where I can be fairly certain I can provide my own food…
Patrick, I envy your big power tiller!
Here’s another thing to put in the mix. My wife and I are in our 60’s and we can see the day coming when we won’t be able to stroll around big box stores. When the boomers reach this stage soon, they will start ordering groceries online, and planting little gardens in planters.
One thing of value about money, spending/saving and this narcissistic society (does anyone remember the late prophet Christopher Lasch) I learned to distill for my daughter into two questions:
“Who is the consumer? And who the consumed?”
Consumption was still about need in this society sometime in mid-fifties when marketing began to remake it as a fradulent arm of identity. (I still walk around singing RCA’s Ode to Having: “Wow! I got color TV! Ain’t you glad I got color TV?” Yes, others must know what you have or what you have and who you are is worthless, worthless to you. Thus the world changes through shiny crap.)
Since then that arm has become ingrown and ripped the heart out of much of the meaning Patrick and everyone else sees their forbears seeking and finding in American life. When the soi-disant social critic (and Tom Cruise replacement in Rosie O’Donnell’s rosieverse) Kanye West spoke of his artistic/spiritual mentor at this week’s MTV VMA Awards, he thanked him for teaching him what is beyond essential — what cars to drive, what clothes to wear and, presumably, how to better spelunk his own behind.
I’m sure Mister West believes he is the master of his fate and a leader of the people based on whatever a) people buy from him (product, words, image) and b) what this entitles him to buy from the world o’ big, big and even bigger stuff.
That is where American identity lives. And it is why we have a generation of dissembling narcissists and worse feeding us their grandiosity as goodness ‘n’ leadership, making us not better for it but a source of endless narcissistic supply.
Bush and Cheney, West and Bono… (anyone check out his investment portfolios lately)… all have the view of the universe with themselves at the center. No one has their feet on the ground and their hands in the earth terribly often. (Playing with weeds on your Fisher Price ranch doesn’t count. Sorry, Duhya.)
Humble means close to the earth. Which is a place the grandiose and endlessly self-inflating never imagine themselves. It doesn’t allow for much insanity about shiny crap, does it?
angie @ 53
Ya shoorrre, you betcha, angie.. I’ve even saved Stan Boreson’s autograph from fifty years ago. He signed it “Stan Boreson and No-mo.”
speaking of gardens, mine’s a mess and calling to me before it reaches 103 degrees today…
catch you on the flip…
mange tak, ET! You rock, sir.
TRex @
28
I wouldn’t mind living on a farm…but man I don’t wanna give up my dsl connection! hehe. Fast reliable net access is really the only thing I would miss moving out of the city.
Well I would miss SoCal’s weather too, depending on how far out I moved :)
I am eyeing some of the more tasty neighbors for my own little Donner Party if the shit comes down.
Some A-1 and charcoal and I’ll be good to go for a while.
-GSD
Hmm … wonder what I said that hit the moderation trigger? No linkies … no suspect words I can see. Must be one of those quirks in the software.
America was a great country before it became a white country.
How interesting that I have had conversations like in this thread with neighbors. If the economy tanks, we are not that far removed from the “simpler” life. Life long residents still know the survival skills used by their immigrant ancestors. Many garden, just not as much today due to working more & less time. A 98 year old local woman who has been an uncanny weather predictor said 3 years ago, “A depression is coming and that’s a true fact, much worse than the 1930’s. People don’t believe it, but it’s coming.”
Recommended book for those with small spaces and a desire for fresh veggies: Square Foot Gardening. You can grow some kinds of tomatoes in pots – I’d recommend big pots, but 5-gallon nursery cans will do for the smaller kinds.
Three of my four grandparents were raised in KS; the fourth was from northeastern KY, where the bluegrass disappears and the forest starts taking over. All of them, and my parents too, had gardens. I have grapevines in pots, myself; this year the Zin had a pound of very tasty fruit for its first crop. Life isn’t right without plants, even if they’re in pots.
GSD @ 65
I noticed a copy of “A Boy and His Dog” at the video store last month.
Patrick – lovely post.
Spent quite a while yearning for the same simple life but after 12 years in NH, it’s the big city for me. That doesn’t negate simple life or sustainability though … shop local, frequent farmer’s markets, ditch the car for the bus and el, learn to walk again … all are similar and to me more attuned to my personal sensibilities.
donner pass means a lot to me, GSD. We must connect, soon.
chimezatmidnight@57 ~ so well said.
This discussion has me flashing back on an experience I had recently; I attended an authentic “Bear Dance” on an Indian Reservation as part of a cultural day? The contrasts were enlightening ~ held by necessity in the asphalt parking lot of the tribal “Baseball Field” (this is of course on a reservation connected to a prosperous Casino), on the one hand you had the dancers in bearskins, the shaman, the tradition being taken very, very seriously ~ surrounded by the homes, fancy trucks, “material” assets that the casino prosperity has allowed the members of the tribe to indulge in; along with the accompanying rise in drug and alcohol abuse…and the other societal negatives that go with a loss of identity and redirection of cultural pride into the realm of the things that society deems *materially* important.
I think my saddest moment that night? Was when I was giving myself to the rhythm of the drums and chant, the glow of the fire and the sillouettes of the bear dancers circling around it ~ and someone’s cell phone rang. I wanted to cry……
Nefarious Leslie and Alison – comments from both of you hit moderation for no apparent reason – I freed them and will keep an eye on the backroom just in case anyone else has the same problem.
Directed by the great L.Q.Jones, A Boy and His Dog is the ONLY Don Johnson-starred film worth seeing.
Thanks, Siun!
GSD and angie – MFI has a post about Al Sistani’s latest and the killing today of one of the senior ayatollahs … he is very upset about what is coming down … things are not going to get better at all.
(for latest in Iraq, click MFI’s link under my login name – also a very interesting Blackwater story there just below the latest post – made me think of Matt O)
Siun, the way I see your new job is that you’re trying to instruct/educate journalists about how not to get spun quite so
fuckingeasily, by using FDL as a resource to inform their questions?The last satisfying part of Michael Pollen’s _The Omnivore’s Dilemma_ is the last section, where Pollen takes on the same issues as Patrick’s thread. It is impossible for us ALL to go back to nature, especially if we can’t find ways to re-divide the commons more equitably. As it is, industrial agriculture and feedlot “ranching” are poisoning land and water even more quickly than we’re paving over good bottom land in suburban sprawl buildup.
Alison @ 56
Well said, Alison. We can’t all go back and live on the land. We need to find new ways of being and doing and living that work for all of us. New ways of community, as Pach said.
Still timely:
News release no. 72, November 2004
Over many years Share International magazine has published regular articles by a Master of Wisdom. Far from being mystical or remote, the Master often addresses the immediate problems facing humanity. His latest article ‘America Adrift’ analyses the results of the US election, giving insights into the future difficulties which the American people will face. He shows that the balance of power in the world is undergoing profound change and explains that “the world is turning away from the dominance of American power and wealth, and charting another path to fulfil its destiny”.
Following the article Benjamin Creme writes about Yasser Arafat and answers questions about the US Presidential election and other world affairs.
America adrift
It is only a matter of time before the people of the United States realize that they have made a grievous mistake. They have reinstated, albeit with the aid of many stolen votes, a man and administration dedicated to the creation of division and hatred, both nationally and internationally.
They will ruefully watch an attack on their proudly held freedoms; they will see a steep decline in their standard of living as the government, of necessity, strives to tackle their enormous debts; they will witness a loss of confidence in their currency and a sharp reversal of trade with their traditional trading partners. The calamitous invasion of Iraq will continue to fester, both in Iraq and elsewhere in the world. Reacting to the fear and hatred which this administration has engendered almost universally, the tendency will be for the people to look inwards, and to turn their backs even more squarely on the world.
Illusion
A major problem in dealing with this administration is the powerful illusion under which it works: that it is God-inspired and so in divine Grace, helping to restore the Christian world and message to its former power and glory. Thus has the USA taken a huge step backwards, isolating itself from the true concerns of much of the world: environmental pollution and the demands of a planet suffering under the strain of impending disaster.
The United States will find that the world will not stand still. With or without American co-operation the nations will proceed as best they can to deal with the many ecological and social problems which beset us, and which so urgently must be addressed. America will find itself left behind and ignored, and only then will it be prepared to ‘lead’ the way.
Rhetoric
This administration is, even now, relishing its victory, and weighing the pros and cons of subsequent action. Thwarted and taken unawares by events in Iraq, it must pause awhile before considering further violence. But the bravado and rhetoric will doubtless continue, hoping to bully and conquer by threats alone. Meanwhile, great changes in many countries are under way, leading to a profound shift in the balance of power in the world. China and India, South America and Russia, are finding their feet and economic potential. Africa is beginning to receive, at last, the concern and goodwill of powerful governments and agencies, and can look forward to better times.
Thus the world is turning away from the dominance of American power and wealth, and charting another path to fulfil its destiny.
If the United States insists on its right of unilateral action, it will find itself neglected and ignored in international plans and projects, its economy will further decay, and its people will lose confidence and trust in government action. Without friends, and with ebbing strength, it will be forced to change, and to renew dialogue with its former friends.
The emergence of Maitreya will speed the process of this transformation and assure its welcome completion.
share-international.org
Well, in Afghanistan just this week, we learned that despite what the delusional Ann what’s her name says, the place is in dire straights.
Drug production is exceeding worldwide consumption levels. The brother of the Neo-con stooge and snappy dresser, Hamid Karzai is implicated in the drug trade.
A Dutch F-16 crashed killing the pilot. A NATO plane crashed killing 14 UK troops. Today there is a big push going on near Kandahar and 3 Canadian troops have been killed. Swimmingly.
Also reports that more foreign fighters have been showing up to fight with the Taliban remnants. The US half-assed this effort in order to get it on with Saddam.
Now if we listen to Sticky Ricky Santorum the US should now half-ass Iraq and focus on Iran.
The region is bubbling away and the nitwits running the show are talking about how “Iranians will revolt” once the US attacks.
There is nothing good coming down the pike.
-GSD
no civil war promulgated by US– nope, not the US.
ET – I was given a copy of Omnivore’s by a dear friend who works for Equal Exchange … one thing we can all do even if we don’t have land and gardens is to support fair trade products like EEs coffees and insanely good chocolate (and tea and sugar). We may not succeed at self-sufficiency but we can build networks of sustainable suppliers and fair returns to farmers.
I recommend Endgame by Derrick Jensen as very relevant to this discussion – about sustainability, civilization, the collapse of civilization due to various factors, economic, climatic, and so on. I have found Endgame a profound and life-changing read. Would love to hear other FDLers response to Endgame.
And on a how- to note Diary of Country LIving – don’t recall the author.
I’m old enough to remember victory gardens, and with friends and relatives in the South, just semi-rural life which involved growing and canning, milking, getting eggs and feeding chickens — and nobody thought they were farmers, just folks living and taking care of things.
Sometimes they would have enough eggs to sell and take them to a local market, same with vegetables. And I remember wonderful summer dinners (mid-day) of chicken, about five or six vegetable dishes, corn bread and preserves. From my p.o.v., those WERE the good old days.
Per Siun at 10:24 Equal Exchange
John Casper … well, I don’t assume I can turn around the MSM but I can try to get us a fairer hearing!
Great post Patrick. And very good advice to everyone, to begin to think about self suffiency. Certainly Katrina showed that we must be able to fend for ourselves, at least for a while. I live in the country where people are naturally self sufficient. Big vegetable gardens, hunting and fishing, local farmers markets, local bakeries etc.
While it’s nice for people to choose these things, I don’t think this is just a bucolic vision. It’s common sense to have a few practical skills, a few tools and supplies, to have given some thought to what you would do if the banks closed, and the electric went down.
One of the things I’ve started to do in the last couple years is learn to identify the abundant wild food that grows around me. Plenty are easy – apples, berries, fiddlehead ferns, dandelion greens; but there are many others too, unknown to us yet. I give my son the mission to find one new edible food in the woods every season and bring enough home to put on the table for dinner. (Oh, and I’m not having him taste test for edibility; we use field guides.)
new thread
Thanks, Siun.
I posted the comment and it completely disappeared. I was puzzled.
I thought the comment gods were telling me to get back to work on my comps!
Siun, stuck again …
that’s self sufficiency
Siun @ 84
My ex-wife was and still is 100% into self-sustenance and support of local co-ops and exchanges. My wife and I are about as far into network building as you can be this far north. The next step is solar power (for March-October), wind power (for the rest of the year) and biodiesel – a co-op is starting locally (!!!).
The first person I met who was !00% self-sustaining was a woman named Anna Ruth Henry. She sold organic foods out of a shed behind her house in the upper University District of Seattle back in the 60s. She ended up doing time for laundering money for the Oregon branch of the Weather Underground.
siun, I meant to mention this yesterday, you have an incomplete link in your login name hon. All I see is
http:///?Shite, onions and NUKES!
CNN is doing the Iran War demo that was used as a prop in the downstairs gallery of the 2005 AIPAC convention.
Siun…I wrote a comment too about 20 minutes ago that seems to have been sucked into a void :)
Ed*ard Teller @ 94
Don’t have TV, and don’t remember reading about that convention–what’s this about? What Iran War demo, exactly?
Cheers.
Horsewoman and ET – posts of yours both hit mod and were released … not sure what’s up but we’re releasing them as fast as we can.
and Shez! thank you – I’ll fix that … not sure what went wrong there.
For all the talk we’ve been subjected to about “values” , rarely does this conversation dip below the obvious or the predictable. To really talk about values, we have to talk about and reveal the ways we live, the things we personally worry about, give thought care and money to. We have to talk about our ancestors, and what they have given us , both the good and the bad.
My grandparents were all thrifty “yankees,” who canned, preserved, gardened, and
abhored debt. My mother once gave me a forsythia bush, and said that during the great depression, her father (a banker) gave a forsythia bush to every depositor, as well as every member of the community. It was some little thing that he could do, at a time when no one had anything. She said she remembered her mother always fixing extra food, because they lived close to the railroad tracks, and someone would always show up at the back door asking for food. They were always fed, no questions asked. Not that they had a lot to share. It was just what everyone did. It was a humane response to human need.
Yes, I also remember when this country didn’t worship money and power. I hope to see those days come again.
My great aunt {a spinster} had a two acre garden that she tilled and worked by hand until she broke a hip at 95 years old. Then she canned and preserved in the root cellar and had food for the winter. I can barely coax tomatoes to grow in my yard, and planting weeding and tilling are great mysteries to me. It’s time to return to basic knowledge, basic human skills and values. Basic human sanity.
Is anyone aware of the wealth of food available that grows wild? There were acres of swamp and woods behind my house in western New York (Chautauqua County) where I lived when my sons were small. I bought a book “Edible Wild Plants” by Lee Allen Peterson and never bought a vegetable except during the winters. Cattails, burdock, milkweed tops, mustard greens, lambs quarters, marsh marigolds, wild day lilies, ground nuts, duck potatoes–I could go on and on, all delicious at various stages of their growth were available free for the taking, being careful to leave plenty for next season’s replenishment and that the area is not polluted. Even clover is nutritious and edible, which is why I wonder why the people who live in Appalachia don’t seem to take advantage of all the wild food that must grow there.
When I read Hansel and Gretel to my boys one night at bedtime, when we came to the part where the children were left out in the woods to starve, my little David said “They wouldn’t go hungry if they knew what you know, Mom”.
Gardens are wonderful, and so are wild woods and wetlands, if our grandchildren have any left.
montag @ #97.
The 2005 AIPAC convention featured an interactive demonstration in one of the sections of the bottom floor of the convention center where the annual affair took place. I had a virtual tour of the demonstration bookmarked here
http://www.aipac.org/stratTour…..easer3.htm
but, as you can see, it has been taken down.
Essentially, what the tour did was show why Iran had to be taken out and how to do it. Sixteen months ago. The way the military analyst on CNN was going through his sequence of homing in on Iraq, photos of suspected nuclear enrichment sirtes and so on, was just like the way the interactive tour was set up at the convention.
Great post Patrick.
A couple of years back I changed my ways twenty five years ahead of schedule. Left the city and my business for my other dream. Now I am half way through a five year mortgage on a wonderful house (at 20% of suburban cost) in the mountains and no credit card debt. I live on one fifth of the amount needed in my city life and burn ten percent of the gasoline I once consumed. Though I never had a drinking problem I sometimes find my self pulling out a bottle of wine and watching months go by before I open it. Stress redifined. Sure the quality of foods available in winter are not like big cities. Live music and theatre are less frequent but world class artists come here on average once a month. Doc Watson a week ago for our anual folk festival. Most of all I want high speed internet. I want to be a hillbilly spazeboy. What power for the rural poeple that day will bring!
I was born into households with living greats who lived through the depression. They spent hours if not entire days working foods and household chores in the very same manner they would have in that era. They all smoked, few drank anymore, though most had for more than fifty years. They worked arthritic fingers to thier bones though no longer financially necessary and lived into their nineties. I really think their only happiness was living well by working hard and helping others and not spending one extra nickle. Many died in fancy suburban homes with perhaps a mere flower bed for a garden and boy were they ready to go.
For me the garden is everything moma earth. I have a battle of lifestyles over it now. How to travel and garden at the same time? I was born barefoot with a passport on a necklace and ten green thumbs. That is my dilemmma! *s* Oh, and as a natural born night owl someday I will need a mute rooster.
Last note, I am helping friends who are building all solar homes a couple of miles from me and they are fantastic especially if you can live without air conditioning. Making and using all natural paint is another esthetically pleasing and money saving tip worth exploring. Paint an entire house (interior) for 30 bucks with leftover pigments and no odor at all.
I think that we’re preparing for Bush’s “re-Hoover-ization” of the (soon-to-be-former) middle class.
If you listen to rap music, the phrase
appears throughout. What we didn’t know was that particular phrase would become the battle cry of the ruling class. You’re On Your Own.
In the large backyard of the house on Tays my grandparents had the garden. We had a cow, and I remember my older brother squirting milk into my mouth. We lived with them, and I have no memory of my parents buying anything from the store a couple of blocks away. With the canning and the butchering year round, except for paper products, we were self-sufficient.
I’m hearing more and more of this kind of commentary from friends – as if we’re experiencing a collective call back to elementals as an antidote to so much that ails us. It makes sense that the first order of business would be to get “grounded.”
Patrick, thank you so much for this post.
I’m stuck on the debt tread mill too, working to get off.
Most of us can’t live like Helen & Scott Nearing, although when I first moved to Downeast Maine, it was my intention. What we can do though, is to live simply and spend our money thoughtfully and wisely (still working on that one). We can not shop at Walmart, not invest in Exxonmobil, and forgo much of what we think we want or need.
It breaks my heart to see hardworking families feel inferior because they don’t have the spending power of some of their friends and neighbors. That is a seriously twisted mindset. How do we move from such a place to one of simplicity and respect for a hard days work, whatever that work may be?
My father emdodied the spirit of simplicity. He was a hardworking man, not poor but certainly not rich. He had very little but was the most generous man I ever knew. He was happiest when his grandchildren were on his knee and he was telling stories or reading books. He was my buddha dad.
Thank you again for this post Patrick. I want my country back and taking steps towards living debt free and enjoying the simple good life is another way to begin to do it.
Congratulations siun (btw, I got my puppy. His name is Ajax, very sweet, smart, and busy. It’s one of the reasons I haven’t been around much).
food will get us through times of no money
better than money will get us through times of no food.
just grow!
peas!
Patrick,
Thank you, thank you, thank you. I envy you the knowledge you have of your grandparents. I never knew mine, but only heard stories. The thought of a “good Christian” saying that someone who cleaned up after his grandmother in the nursing home was a “loser” is so antithetical to anything that could even remotely called “Christ-like” (which is what I though Christians were supposed to, in our flawed and small ways, strive for) that I am left simply slack-jawed with horror/bemusement/despair, but not surprise.
I work in a non-managerial but rather (by Savannah standards) nicely paid job in one of our hospitals. One of the things I try to do on a regular basis is thank the people who cook the food and clean the place. They’re always, ALWAYS, surprised that a “white collar” even notices that they exist. The fact of the matter is that hospital could carry on without me a HELL of a lot better than it could without the people who wash the floor. When I tell a member of the housekeeping staff this, they just laugh…. Sigh.
I was raised to believe that work had value. ALL work had value, and honor. I guess that brands me as an “old fart,” but I’m only about 6 months older than the pResident (not a typo) so maybe it’s not an age thing but a “class” thing. Well, Patrick, you’ve got class, and the folks who are ushering in the new Gilded Age need to be sent back to class to learn a bit of history. And perhaps some humility as well. Thanks again for this post.
Gosh, folks…
I was working in the garden when this entry fell out of queue and got published, so I missed all the wonderful, WONDERFUL comments as they happened. I have just finished reading all of them.
Some of your recollections of long-ago grandparents and their Labor (It made us what we are!! HONOR IT!) brought me to tears.
There are so many things I wish I had been here to respond to as you folks posted them-
I am all for an little FDL town in the Appalachians. ;-)
I can teach folks to grow stuff, how to enrich soil organically, how to prune fruit trees and grapevines, AND I can teach French, Spanish and world history at the Emma Goldman Primary School….
Plus, I can fix computers, tractors and cars. I am all about being useful, folks…
SteveAudio says:
Morning, Patrick.
Hey Steve!!
biscuit says:
A dear friend of mine who started out life pretty successful (parents well-educated and well-to-do) and got moderately more successful in a profession, recently spoke about people who work with their hands and have trouble paying the bills every month as “losers”.
Heh. When that guy shows up at your door begging for you to sell him a potato tell him he pays DOUBLE. He’s got loads of money, right?
And this supercilious prick is an ACCOUNTANT?
Aheh. whatever….
A lot of you (I hope you’ve checked back and are reading this) have mentioned that you wish you had grandparents around to ask after the secrets of plump, red tomatoes and tall corn. GET THIS BOOK:
The Encyclopedia of Country Living by Carla Emery. $20 that will change your life. It NEVER leaves my bedside table. Many nights I have spent pondering how to keep chickens from getting cold at night or how to keep wasps from boring into my peaches, I have turned to this book and had all of my questions answered.
And, between you and me, there are very few problems in a garden that a big pile of well-composted horse manure won’t fix….
Jesus B. Ocoa @104: Viva la barrio, hermano.
If everyone’s interested, I will start keeping a much more detailed diary of how things are going in my garden over at my regular blog.
Thanks for all the kind words. My lovely wife and I are making homemade peach ice cream tomorrow for labor day. You’re invited.
windje @
2
Oh, actually windje, it’s a Browning A5- my grandmother saved up and got it for him in the late ’60s. It’s a REALLY neat shotgun. It has some scratches in the forestock, where he leaned it against a barbwire fence some time in the ’70s.
I had it at the gunsmiths for something a couple of years back. Red, the gunsmith, said “I can get you a stock for that thing if you want to get one with no scratches on it.”
“That’s ok, Red. I don’t mind them too much,” I told him.
I have a bird dog, but his previous owner (he was a rescue of sorts) beat him, so he’s gun shy as hell. I am working on it. Making a dog be less gun shy is a challenge.
In the spring, I can hear quail calling from the field across the road. I sit there with Houston on the porch and say “You hear that, buddy? Those are QUAIL…” He just blinks at me and scratches himself.
*sigh*
Dogs…
Mad Dogs @ 42
I was being somewhat facetious. With your knowledge, etc. you will be in a position to lord over others–and no, I don’t expect that to be the case here. I do know history, maybe you should look at the inner city populations–as always, they’re the ones that would be screwed.
We’re not talking history here, we’re talking today’s reality. You should consider good manners–it’s a city thing–you missed the boat. Live/work in the ghetto for awhile before you assume the world is as capable or as knowledgeable as you country boys/girls. Too many snobs or elitists are burrowing into this site–gentrification is urban removal.
Hi Patrick–late to the party as always. Like you, I think those of us who have some sort of an idea of even a few things we can do to reduce our big corp type needs are and will be ahead of the game.
I don’t know about Mel above, but in my experience, our book learning is a great foundation for all living and while I count myself as privileged to be well educated, a lot of that has come through my own choices to be a life long learner way beyond what my schooling provided for me.
Still, when it comes to survival skills, it’s from the folks who are already living a more alternative lifestyle that I really learn most, whether it’s gardening and putting by, doing for ourselves in other ways and especially doing without. In my rural home here, we do a little of each of the above, except for doing without, which we do a fair amount of, but don’t really suffer from. And what I have learned and have to share, makes no sense outside of my rural lifestyle.
However much I may worry about those who, by circumstances of their own lives or their own interests don’t have a clue, and I do, should our collective life here in the US crash and burn, each of us is going to be pretty busy taking care of ourselves and supporting our local communities. Unfortunately, urban folk will have a different and perhaps more difficult row to hoe, but burying my own hopes and dreams to live in a ghetto isn’t going to make the world a better place than living well and being a good member of my community here is. Peace, and thanks for the post and for the great comments you elicited from our blessed community.
*ilson46201 @ 41
In the suburbs here east of Columbus, Ohio, the neighborhood associations PROHIBIT vegetable gardens! The residents LIKE it that way. I don’t understand it… my little suburb, though, dates from the late 50’s and 60’s, and we are allowed to have gardens.
My neighbor from the house behind, an old man named Keogh, gave me 6 tomatoes and several cucumbers and a sweet bell pepper right out of his garden! They were so wonderful. I missed my lovely garden from my last home, and missed neighborly neighbors, so what a treat. I’m planting raspberries next year to share with Keogh and his wife.
David Ehrenstein @ 67
America was NEVER a white country.
I’m part Cherokee. The rest of you are all illegal immigrants as far as the People are concerned.