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	<title>Comments on: FDL Book Salon &#8212; Conservatives Without Conscience, Week 2</title>
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		<title>By: idlex</title>
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		<dc:creator>idlex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Sep 2006 03:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Having read half way through this rather astonishing thread, I found myself thinking that rather too much was devoted by posters in over-effusive declarations of their respect for John Dean, Dr Bob, and Joe Wilson.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sure, these people have been doing sterling work, but is all this gushing respect really necessary? If you didn’t know better, you might even start thinking of them as nascent authority figures, albeit not of of the Bush-Cheney variety. Or is the answer to the rise of authoritarianism the construction of counter-authorities?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having read half way through this rather astonishing thread, I found myself thinking that rather too much was devoted by posters in over-effusive declarations of their respect for John Dean, Dr Bob, and Joe Wilson.</p>
<p>Sure, these people have been doing sterling work, but is all this gushing respect really necessary? If you didn’t know better, you might even start thinking of them as nascent authority figures, albeit not of of the Bush-Cheney variety. Or is the answer to the rise of authoritarianism the construction of counter-authorities?</p>
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		<title>By: jonny</title>
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		<dc:creator>jonny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Sep 2006 07:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I also wonder if a good president can be impeached for having sex, which is nobody’s concern,  what happens to a president who makes up a story and brings our country to war, murders 2700 of our soldiers and we find out it was all made up stories.I guess if your republican your allowed.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also wonder if a good president can be impeached for having sex, which is nobody’s concern,  what happens to a president who makes up a story and brings our country to war, murders 2700 of our soldiers and we find out it was all made up stories.I guess if your republican your allowed.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Sep 2006 07:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-276903&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;cleter @ 272 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Mr. Dean, thank you so much for being here. I had the same question as Angie at 5:09 (whether or not Bush should, or will be impeached) Do you think the relatively recent impeachment of Clinton raised or lowered the bar on impeachment for Bush?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-276903"><em>cleter @ 272 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Mr. Dean, thank you so much for being here. I had the same question as Angie at 5:09 (whether or not Bush should, or will be impeached) Do you think the relatively recent impeachment of Clinton raised or lowered the bar on impeachment for Bush?</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Hailey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Hailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2006 23:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;John Dean’s book, &lt;em&gt;Conservatives without Conscience&lt;/em&gt;, has provided an missing link for me in my concern of the far right - the authoritarian personnality.  It is scary to realize that the Double Highs in the Republican party are about to finalize thier conversion of this county’s government into a single party state with a few token Democrats.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have read the book and added five posts to my blog, Where Are We Going, &lt;a href=&quot;http://the-wawg-blog.org/&quot; title=&quot;Where Are We Going&quot;&gt;The WAWG Blog&lt;/a&gt;.  One post is about the authoritarian personality and its types, and the other four are about the key Double Highs that are razing our government,&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Dean’s book, <em>Conservatives without Conscience</em>, has provided an missing link for me in my concern of the far right &#8211; the authoritarian personnality.  It is scary to realize that the Double Highs in the Republican party are about to finalize thier conversion of this county’s government into a single party state with a few token Democrats.  </p>
<p>I have read the book and added five posts to my blog, Where Are We Going, <a href="http://the-wawg-blog.org/" title="Where Are We Going">The WAWG Blog</a>.  One post is about the authoritarian personality and its types, and the other four are about the key Double Highs that are razing our government,</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Altemeyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Altemeyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2006 02:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I see a couple of new messages addressed my way. Mr. Robinson at 336 observes that what I’ve found in research on how and why people change jives with her own personal experience, and with what she has seen happen in others. Well that’s terrific. Research can often get it wrong.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Badick at 355 wonders if there’s a connection between being an authoritarian follower and being a religious fundamentalist. Yeah, a huge one, which a lot of people have already concluded I suspect. Furthermore, it’s clear that being a high RWA can make you inclined to be a fundamentalist, and being raised a fundamentalist can help make you a high RWA. They can feed each other, reinforce each other in someone’s life. The interesting scientific question that then comes up is which is more basic, important? The answer seems to be, rwa is. It correlates with various prejudices, willingness to strike the Bill of Rights, scary  submission to authority, and so on better than fundamentalism does. So the problem is not fundamentalism so much as the fact that it is so often connected with being an authoritarian follower. There are many ways of being “religious,” and there are millions of religious Americans who are not high RWAs. But most fundamentalists and evangelicals are.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Incidentally, if you haven’t alread spotted this yourself, we found our measure of religious fundamentalism appears to identify the same pattern of being an authoritarian follower, being prejudiced, and so on in Islam, Judaism, and Hinduism as in Christianity. The Bush administration (and the Republican candidates running for office now who are following the party line) would seem to be much closer to the truth if they said “the enemy” is certain fundamentalist Muslims, or authoritarian Muslims, not Islamofascists! Maybe they’ll try that next.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The good people at Firedoglake may feel it’s time to turn out the lights on this forum. So good night, and good resolve to us all.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see a couple of new messages addressed my way. Mr. Robinson at 336 observes that what I’ve found in research on how and why people change jives with her own personal experience, and with what she has seen happen in others. Well that’s terrific. Research can often get it wrong.</p>
<p>Badick at 355 wonders if there’s a connection between being an authoritarian follower and being a religious fundamentalist. Yeah, a huge one, which a lot of people have already concluded I suspect. Furthermore, it’s clear that being a high RWA can make you inclined to be a fundamentalist, and being raised a fundamentalist can help make you a high RWA. They can feed each other, reinforce each other in someone’s life. The interesting scientific question that then comes up is which is more basic, important? The answer seems to be, rwa is. It correlates with various prejudices, willingness to strike the Bill of Rights, scary  submission to authority, and so on better than fundamentalism does. So the problem is not fundamentalism so much as the fact that it is so often connected with being an authoritarian follower. There are many ways of being “religious,” and there are millions of religious Americans who are not high RWAs. But most fundamentalists and evangelicals are.</p>
<p>Incidentally, if you haven’t alread spotted this yourself, we found our measure of religious fundamentalism appears to identify the same pattern of being an authoritarian follower, being prejudiced, and so on in Islam, Judaism, and Hinduism as in Christianity. The Bush administration (and the Republican candidates running for office now who are following the party line) would seem to be much closer to the truth if they said “the enemy” is certain fundamentalist Muslims, or authoritarian Muslims, not Islamofascists! Maybe they’ll try that next.</p>
<p>The good people at Firedoglake may feel it’s time to turn out the lights on this forum. So good night, and good resolve to us all.</p>
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		<title>By: Remmis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Remmis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Sep 2006 18:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-276752&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 136 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Mrs. Robinson @ 3:29 pm&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“They see ambiguity as weakness…”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;How do they perceive uncertainty? How do they react to the plethora of vicissitudes this fast-paced world has to offer? They seem to react by turning to those who may be least able to adapt to rapid changes - their authoritarian leaders whom they choose to follow.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That’s the whole point, RWA’s respond most to leaders whose points of view don’t change with the facts.  Obviously, rational people evaluate new information and assimilate it into their current world view, which may end up altering it.  Somehow this is seen as “shades of gray” or “ambiguity” rather than “intelligence.”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-276752"><em>Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 136 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Mrs. Robinson @ 3:29 pm</p>
<p>“They see ambiguity as weakness…”</p>
<p>How do they perceive uncertainty? How do they react to the plethora of vicissitudes this fast-paced world has to offer? They seem to react by turning to those who may be least able to adapt to rapid changes &#8211; their authoritarian leaders whom they choose to follow.</p>
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<p>That’s the whole point, RWA’s respond most to leaders whose points of view don’t change with the facts.  Obviously, rational people evaluate new information and assimilate it into their current world view, which may end up altering it.  Somehow this is seen as “shades of gray” or “ambiguity” rather than “intelligence.”</p>
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		<title>By: Nada Lawyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nada Lawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Sep 2006 15:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Glenn, in #80:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;em&gt;If you judge someone based on what they did 35 years ago rather than recently, that says more about them than you.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Did you mean to say this the other way around?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;em&gt;“…that says more about &lt;b&gt;you&lt;/b&gt; than &lt;b&gt;them&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/em&gt;.”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glenn, in #80:<br />
<em>If you judge someone based on what they did 35 years ago rather than recently, that says more about them than you.</em></p>
<p>Did you mean to say this the other way around?<br />
<em>“…that says more about <b>you</b> than <b>them</b></em>.”</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Altemeyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Altemeyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Sep 2006 14:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;To 382, “Another Chris,” on the string that just won’t die. Very good question. There is a lot of evidence that authoritarian followers need leaders in their lives more than most people do. But I don’t think they would go from one pole to another very easily. Adult right-wing authoritarians seem to have been socialized from birth to submit to the established authorities in their lives, and they usually stick with them through thick or thin. It was impressive to me how they stuck to Nixon, insisting he hadn’t really done anything wrong even after he accepted Ford’s pardon for the felonies he had committed. In the Soviet Union (and various eastern European countries) the studies have found that the high RWAs stuck with the enormously discredited Communist Party after it had been toppled from power. Maybe eventually authoritarian followers would smarten up and realize they’ve been playing the fool, but they have an astounding capacity for rationalization, compartmentalizing their ideas, denial, and living and not learning. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Speaking of pardons, with reference to earlier postings, the question that occurs to me is, can President Bush give himself a pardon as he leaves office in January ‘09?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Finally, I think the price being asked for that  book on Amazon must be a misprint. Or is some social dominator trying to sell his copy?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To 382, “Another Chris,” on the string that just won’t die. Very good question. There is a lot of evidence that authoritarian followers need leaders in their lives more than most people do. But I don’t think they would go from one pole to another very easily. Adult right-wing authoritarians seem to have been socialized from birth to submit to the established authorities in their lives, and they usually stick with them through thick or thin. It was impressive to me how they stuck to Nixon, insisting he hadn’t really done anything wrong even after he accepted Ford’s pardon for the felonies he had committed. In the Soviet Union (and various eastern European countries) the studies have found that the high RWAs stuck with the enormously discredited Communist Party after it had been toppled from power. Maybe eventually authoritarian followers would smarten up and realize they’ve been playing the fool, but they have an astounding capacity for rationalization, compartmentalizing their ideas, denial, and living and not learning. </p>
<p>Speaking of pardons, with reference to earlier postings, the question that occurs to me is, can President Bush give himself a pardon as he leaves office in January ‘09?</p>
<p>Finally, I think the price being asked for that  book on Amazon must be a misprint. Or is some social dominator trying to sell his copy?</p>
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		<title>By: Eureka Springs, AR</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eureka Springs, AR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Sep 2006 03:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Noticed this today on amazon. he he&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bob Altemeyer has a fairly expensive book listed. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Enemies of Freedom: Understanding Right-Wing Authoritarianism (Jossey Bass Social and Behavioral Science Series)	&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Enemies of Freedom: Understanding Right-Wing Authoritarianism (Jossey Bass Social and Behavioral Science Series) by Bob Altemeyer (Hardcover - Oct 1988)&lt;br /&gt;
Used &amp; new from $2,210.26&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noticed this today on amazon. he he</p>
<p>Bob Altemeyer has a fairly expensive book listed. </p>
<p>Enemies of Freedom: Understanding Right-Wing Authoritarianism (Jossey Bass Social and Behavioral Science Series)	</p>
<p>Enemies of Freedom: Understanding Right-Wing Authoritarianism (Jossey Bass Social and Behavioral Science Series) by Bob Altemeyer (Hardcover &#8211; Oct 1988)<br />
Used &amp; new from $2,210.26</p>
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		<title>By: another chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>another chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Sep 2006 00:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;For both Bob Altemeyer and John Dean: I wonder how many of our contemporary authoritarians just need &lt;em&gt;some&lt;/em&gt; authority to follow, and some sort of authoritarian faith to adhere to. I’m thinking of the kind of person described by Eric Hoffer in “The True Believer,” equally able to be a fierce communist or a fierce anti-communist. So perhaps our Bushians can’t be talked out of their beliefs, but will jump to a new host when this one falls. The relevant fact is the underlying authoritarianism, while the shape of the authority of the moment will eventually shift.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For both Bob Altemeyer and John Dean: I wonder how many of our contemporary authoritarians just need <em>some</em> authority to follow, and some sort of authoritarian faith to adhere to. I’m thinking of the kind of person described by Eric Hoffer in “The True Believer,” equally able to be a fierce communist or a fierce anti-communist. So perhaps our Bushians can’t be talked out of their beliefs, but will jump to a new host when this one falls. The relevant fact is the underlying authoritarianism, while the shape of the authority of the moment will eventually shift.</p>
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