I saw Lou Reed on the MTV Video Music Awards the other night. I had been in my car with White Light/White Heat on my stereo and there was Lou on TV when I got home playing the song live. Lou is way cool and someday maybe Howie Klein will introduce me to some of his way cool friends if I get my ass to L. A. I’m not very cool, but I love to meet and work with creative, talented people who reset the boundaries of what’s possible for others.
One of the side benefits of doing this blogging activist gig is the way I get to meet or at least work with via telephone or whatever so many really talented, creative people. Yeah, we have this political movement thing to do, but it’s also an amazing way to meet and make new friends whom you otherwise would not meet. Where and how would I have met my blogmates here, or so many of you in the community? Nowhere.
This is one of the things I really like about this whole people-powered movement thing. I’ve long been a proponent of the idea that most of human talent remains untapped and undeveloped, and I work to change that through my real life work, but this movement is a great vehicle through which regular folks can find their untapped potential and shine, or at least use their talents for causes and values they really care about. What could be better than that? What could be healthier than that?
So, my thanks to all of you who continue to be so generous with your time and talent. I wrote once before, when we were recruiting people for our Roots Project site development team, that this community has never failed to respond when we’ve called for help or volunteers for something. It always comes together. It’s amazing. (Side note: my apologies if we have not gotten back personally to thank everyone who volunteered but is not part of the site development team. That response loop may not have covered everyone and in a new organization of online volunteers, if we missed you, I’m really sorry!).
There’s all kinds of talent out there. Creating a database or just a contact list is a talent. I’m sure not good at lists. In your working life, you may not feel you’re really using your talents or challenging your own limits and growing. Most people don’t really feel challenged to bring out their best for their paying jobs, and even if they do, many don’t feel their work has real meaning and so they don’t find it very satisfying.
Our economic life makes us move around a lot more than we used to as a species, and that fragments communities. The result is more people today feel this sense of disconnection and rootlessness, and with our modern information glut, it’s hard to create and find meaning from our work and our lives the way perhaps previous generations could. There’s so much information overload, and exposure to alternative worldviews, people find it confusing, sometimes threatening. I expect the rise of the various fundamentalisms around the world and here at home is in part a reaction to all this.
On the other hand, movements like ours create ways for people to make new ties to each other in ways that help them connect their work or their talents to meaning and to relationships with people, even virtual relationships. We’re creating new communities that endure and which change people’s lives while nurturing their talents. The very contemporary tools that precipitate so much dislocation in communites during an information age can be turned around to create new ties that bind.
That’s pretty cool, and it’s also something our coming Roots Project social networking site is being designed to promote and sustain: imagine a place where you can not only organize to change our country or just your home town, but also to make friends with people you would not otherwise meet who share your values? Stay tuned for more while we have that site baking in the oven.
So, anyway, this is a thank you post for all of you for sharing your talents and passion. Everyone has talent: something they can do better than most other people can. Getting to know you is fun, and even as we get to know each other well enough to get mad at each other sometimes, there’s this other place I’ve seen a lot of us come to where we understand each other better as real people and come to like and appreciate those we would not have otherwise known or met in our regular lives.
Thanks of course also go in large measure to the founder and host of this site, our own Sweet Jane.
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That’s some damned fine social anthropology you’re doing there, Pach. I know some alleged professors who could learn a thing or two from you.
OT but does anybody know why sometimes I can barely hear the sound on You Tube videos or videos in general, I guess. This one is coming through loud and clear, but often enough, I have to crank up the volume as high as possible and make everything else in the house utterly silent before I can hear it. Is there anything that I can do to make it sound better or louder or clearer, or is it a function of the quality of the video itself? Just askin’.
Pach … thank you for all *you* do! I know you are busy as all get out with the Roots project – what a great contribution along with all else you do!
Mo!
first Ruby Braff then Lou! what perfect taste!
Pach … do you find, as I do, that the more I do to take back our country, the more energized in general I feel. The current state of affairs is so demoralizing and when we do nothing, it smothers us … but when we get involved, look out!
Pach,
I like to see posts like these. Sometimes I worry when I do a post with absolutely no links. When I see someone else do it, I think, they move pretty good without any crutches.
On topic of your post. The social condition of most humans require them to clot into communities to prevent the soul from bleeding to death.
That thought has existed like a seed in my mind for years. Sometimes these “communities” are unhealthy, but bad breath is better than no breath at all.
I have no training in mental or behavioral studies, just a laymans perspective. I enjoy your posts and read them very carefully. I happen to be a fact sponge.
Maybe a good time to re-visit Todd Rundgren with Utopias Swing to the Right from 1982. Poignant when the Reagan administration came in, and still worth a look /listen. It took guts to make that album.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..mp;search=
I was rather annoyed that the reunion this video came from occurred in Paris one month after Mrs Mack and I journeyed there.
The Velvets were so much more than just Lou (a fact he evidently still does acknowledge)
Don’t get me wrong, Lou’s solo stuff is great.
I own a lot of it, but since Sterling Morrison’s passing, there will never be another Velvets reunion. And that is a damn shame.
Spent the evening rereading Karl Popper’s Poverty of Historicism.
Such a warning about totalitarianism. He makes it clear that the only way that large and ambitious social experiments can be done is by removing the capacity of everyone but the very few to think, to contribute and to act.
We are fighting totalitarianism one post at a time. Rummy was not just wrong: He is the danger Popper warned us about.
Keep posting, Pach. The world might come back to life.
Alison … interesting comment and good reminder of Popper’s work!
back when I worked in politics in New Haven, I found that the best thing we could do was simply find ways for neighborhood folks to speak up … invite them to attend a hearing and show them that speaking up was not only OK but often fun and successful … we’ve lost the model of town meetings and all the methods that invite citizen activism but here we are recreating them.
More to the point.
I think the Roots Project is a vital example of what can be done.
And FDL embodies the potential for diverse individuals to gather for intelligent discourse and enable real change.
The Lamont campaign is a great example.
A concerted effort by a relativly small number of individuals brought the total lameness of Lieberman far enough into the light to show his true colors (red).
The forces of darkness cannot abide sunshine, It makes them shreik and howl like monsters from an Ed Wood film.
GOTV will be critical in the coming months.
Sadly, the situation on the ground in the Gulf and in the Middle East is bad enough to be obvious to all but the willfully blind.
Of course, my estimation is that the majority of people who *ever* voted GWB are willfully blind and may never accept the truth.
The hope is to engage the non-voters.
To convince them that their vote DOES make a difference.
That the current regime really IS that bad, and more importantly, that the alternative is CLEARLY different and supperior.
No triangulation – a CLEAR AND SENSIBLE ALTERNATIVE.
Oh Pach…a last check here for the evening once again brings a smile; here too is something I feel compelled to comment on and so thoroughly agree with. Indeed, the ability a forum like this gives for people to come together with like minds and intent; to combine energies and create change in positive ways, grounded in an awareness of truth and a clear perspective of history and the meaning of human dissent and its value when it is invoked for the common well being of all ~ these are all good and powerful things essential I believe, to the survival of the human race. For if we were to walk the isolationist, sheep path of control and fear that our so called present leadership in this country would have us walk? I truly do not see, how we could survive the long term consequences…………..
Just came back from VT from a wedding, been out of touch, but a few things:
Bought a book that I probably would not have 6 months ago. My increased involvement with progressive politics and left bogistan, and the Roots Project in particular is what did it. The book is The Constitution of the United States of America. Now, why spend $29.95 tax for something I already have downloaded in my Palm? You would have to see it to believe it. After Ben Franklin’s Address to the Delegates the next page has an illustration of a spine. On the bottom it says, “This is a Backbone. Man cannot stand erect without one. Neither can a country. The backbone of the United States of America is her Constitution.”
The illustrations are to die for. Actually the document is one that people have been dying for over the last 230 years plus. Anyway I found it in a little book store in Bridgewater VT. Support your local independent bookseller.
Then in a clothing store at the check-out counter there was a display of buttons and keychains—01-20-09 Bush’s Last Day. The keychain is counting it down to the second. 870 days and counting. Had to have one of each.
There were Bernie signs all over the place and nasty ugly commercials all over the boob tube on cable stations trying to make Bernie Sanders into practically a child molester. The folks I talked to are not worried about Bernie losing. Good.
And there was a lawn in Brattleboro that had a Bernie sign and a Ned Lamont sign.
What a great country, if we work hard to keep it that way.
Thanks Pach and Jane and Christy for giving us the opportunity to be so tuned in.
Siun @ 14~ empowerment is what you speak to there, and that is what FDL gives people. I know I have despaired that the “system” was too large, to ingrained, too corrupt for mere citizens to have a chance any longer against the “machine” that has become our largely corporate run political system. It is crucial to fight that feeling with the real ability for those of us on the outside, yet feeding the “machine” with our taxes ~ the ability to count, to have a say, to somehow make a difference. Once we do; once we see that yes – yes – we CAN get a Ned Lamont elected; we CAN speak truth to lies and be heard….oh, what a powerful momentum that creates. I believe? We are seeing the mere tip of the iceberg of change right now…there is a major “shift” taking place in this country.
RevDeb,
I think you are so cool.
And a corollary, Pach, is rebuilding and reclaiming existing communities. Excellent case in point are articles in today’s [Sat] Minneapolis Tribune [sorry I don’t have links, read the print edition here in tall timber dial-up country] Faith & Values section about evangelical pastors leading a movement to take back their hijacked community from the political false prophets [I’d say Colson, Dobson, Robertson, Falwell…among others]. Positive reading, 2 pages of coverage, in Minnesota where the religious right has been too strong.
This is a growing movement [and an hours-late example for Christy’s morning thread] worth knowing about and giving credit to.
Telling Q&A with Randall Balmer:
Q. what do you think is the future of the religious right?
A. It’s impossible for me to separate my predictions from my hopes. I hope the religious right shrivels up and slithers away in shame for having so distorted the gospel.
‘night pups, time to check out the Weatherbug map, batten down the hatches, and listen to the rhythm of the falling rain.
Who is this Alison? Thanks you so much for de-lurking. I love the sound of your voice.
Horsewoman – precisely!
Starhawk talks in one of her novels about chosing to live in mundo bueno or mundo malo … I find it useful to visualize actually stepping into the good world.
seconding HopeSAT – we need more Alison!
Pach, lovely, gracious post. When I called Bob Kincaids show yesterday i was talking about ‘community’ and how I’d found one at fdl. You confirmed that tonight. Thanks
siun,
Just saw the post about you. Good news!
I’ll have to go back and read the whole thread tomorrow. Gotta get some sleep tonight—didn’t get much in VT last night and tomorrow night will be an early one. We’re thinking of getting up REALLY early Monday to drive down to Newtown CT and support Ned in the parade.
And back to work on Tues. ugh. It has been such an exciting and fun summer I hate to get back to the old routine.
Thanks RevDeb! and say Hi to Ned and all if you drive down …great idea!
I agree, Pach, there is talent out there ready to be tapped. Beyond that, though, is passion. The formula that got us here was apathy obstacles = tyrany. Today, with the web and, ahem, this administration, the formula is passion talent opportunity = action = engagement.
Ain’t it the truth Mack? The Dem machine wastes so many resources on Joe Critter Redneck and the Walmart Republicans, when in fact we need to energize, organize and empower the non-voting public. Send messages to them.
Dems get pigeoned-holed as intellectuals. I’m a pretty smart cookie but I know when I got here I was intimidated by the level of intellegence present. I have heard this voiced by others.
My FIRST trip to fdl came as a result of YKOS. I was overwhelmed and a bit lost from the get-go. The blogosphere was completely new to me and on my first few trips I found it a little hostile. Not from anger but from ‘not getting it’. The lingo, html, the snark, all the little codes we have (that I continue to learn). Many less hardy than I have surely been scared away. And we need to find a way to reach them and bring them into the fold of ‘community’.
I don’t think we need to ‘dumb things down’ but we do need to open the ‘kewl kids table’ to the rest of the disenfranchised. Because make no mistake, as smart, clever, snarky and cool we are, we are still the disenfrancised too.
welcome back RevDeb sweet dreams
HopeSpringsATurtle @ 31
Welcome back to YOU and Dr. Turtle. You have been stars in our universe.
HopeSpringsATurtle @
24
Hope- I heard you say that last eve while listening to the show!!! You were wonderfully wonderful.
Hope- oh wow- I didn’t know that you ended up here via YKos. I too have seen that comment, but I don’t really understand it, in some ways. I found FDL via a link on PressThink back when the Plame reporting was beginning. I became an avid reader, and started out by posting relevant links to info that I had found. As far as politics goes, I am hardly a tried and true expert, and certainly have no brainpower on political issues. But, for some reason I still don’t understand, I became a “regular”. All I say as the “take home lesson” from my experience at FDL is that all voices are welcome insofar as they are polite, respectful, and informative.
HopeSAT,
I think we all are students of democracy. The long list of names of people I had never heard of, but get blasted here intimidated me. With the help of Wikipedia, I am slowly learning who is who. I have never held a copy of the NYT or WaPO in my hands.
At first, I thought Jane & Co. was being rather harsh to many of these journalists, giving them ridiculous and demeaning names. Slowly I began to understand, and the final reveal was when I shook hands with Ambassador Wilson at YKos.
I am so not starstruck by people. Ambassador Wilson, standing in line in front of me to register, was wearing a pair of short pants and tennis shoes. Here is a man, honest and just doing his bit, and being attacked for it.
The affect of attaching pet names to journalists working at these bastions of integrity newspapers did not make me hate them, but it made me see them as human, and fallable. The real affect this had was to increase my own opinion of self-worth. These guys might not be so much better than me. In fact, they can be infinitely worse.
It is hardly possible for me to mislead a country into war. This community may allow me to contribute in preventing future debacles. Critical thought enters my mind as never before every time I read a newspaper article or watch a news program. I think we are all still growing. Thanks Jane, and Christy and Pach and Siun and Valley Girl and Mary and…for contributing to my continuing ed.
I am an FDL addict. I am not going to any 12 step progs to get over it.
I am pretty unique and easily identifiable in some circles when I decloak, and I don’t trust NSA a whole lot.
I am an activist, a social scientist, an historical theologian, a mom, a partner, a community organizer, and a few other things.
I am here because the discourse is so hopeful.
Community. It’s the infrastructure we’re building that unites an extremely diverse group of people. Where the right-wing relies on its churches to provide infrastructure, we on the left have been without, bowling alone too long. We tend to respect the separation of church and state more so than the right, can’t imagine using our religious organizations as political organizing vehicles. Changes in jobs in the U.S. with a shift to a knowledge economy from a manufacturing economy also meant a change away from unionized labor roles, where unions once provided some of the community infrastructure necessary for effective organization.
So here we are, 12:46 am EDT, instead of drinking and chatting at the bar or the bowling alley, we are here together talking about how we are unified and what we are going to do next together.
Damn, it feels good. Besides, I do so hate that stale-cigarette-and-flat-beer filminess the next morning.
Wow. This topic is dead-on for me, especially at this time. Two years ago I took in a neighborhood kid who needed a place to stay. We went though a lot and got himback on his feet health and academic wise. He left for his prep school last week and I find myself turning here alot to fill some of the time at night when I would be spending with him….This has really helped. Thanks.
VG, I came to FDL through a kos link when I could not get enough about Plame. The first blog I read was AfterDowningStreet. I’ll always remember you from those earlier days at FDL.
The last thread was really depressing, and this one is all about the positives of community. I need a valium. Just read the WaPo’s 3-pager on the mid-terms. Some HOPE in that story, but also all the caveats: The GOP has so much money ($60 million), they run hard late and know how to pull out a win (cheat and lie), and remember on Sept 1, everyone thought Kerry would win. It’s early, most people haven’t paid much attention to the choices, etc.
Jeez what a great group.
Lou Reed, boy howdy.
I used ta bitch about YouTube ’cause I couldn’t get it to work with dialup and old computers. Got me high-zoot DSL now and a new MacBook with 2 gigs of RAM. Ooohhhhhhhhh, so THAT’s what this is all about. Okay, I’m converted. Mama didn’t raise no fools.
The old hippie in me thinks it’s very, very cool that ignorant young twerps are finally getting exposed to REAL CULTURE in this country. The Velvets? GOOD! I had the very first album before anybody did, got it mail-ordered from the big city when I was a lonely outsider in Austin in the glory days. Nobody had it. I didn’t peel my banana off until 1988.
I’ve been off the reservation for decades, waiting for the rest to jump too. Hah, as if. But okay, Pach: I still think politics are a crock and that the Dems won’t do shit to stop the end of America, but I’m feeling pretty smug about the subversive possibilities of what we got going here.
Hey, Mary4, you out there? Leaving you a tidbit in response to your comment last thread:
In re: your query about Duberstein — went poking around.
Did you know Boeing is John McCain’s #5 career patron? Did you also know that McCain is the former chair of the PNAC’s parent organization, NCP?
Or that Duberstein is the founding chairman of one of the most powerful lobbying shops in D.C.?
Icky…but none of this answers why Duberstein hooked up Armitage and Novak. It only creates more nasty questions and suspicions.
UptownNYChick @ 36
Uptown- what a great thing you did. THAT is COMMUNITY.
Valley Girl @ 42
It is a great experience for me. I grew up a lot (not having kids, then having a teenager), but suddenly, I think I have that empty-nest thing.
Siun @ 14
Indeed, the power of engaging with people is amazing. It seems so simple, but so few seem to understand that if you listen, really listen, to people, and make them feel that they matter, you’ll have more friends than you know what to do with, and from all walks of life. It crosses cultural and class borders. I feel the FDL community does a tremendous job at this, and is probably a big reason for the rapid (or is it ‘rabid’) growth, which is just getting warmed up it seems.
Another good example is the next President of the United States, Russ Feingold (ahh…doesn’t that sound good?) I have lived in Wisconsin and let’s just say that a short Jewish guy would normally not be expected to win over most of the state. Spinegold has done that by doing exactly what you were talking about. Many of the people that vote for Findgold don’t agree with him on many issues, but since he meets with so many of his constituents, people feel like they know and trust him regardless. Then that starts the grassroots, word-of-mouth marketing as it were. Whoops…blabbing away…more info at this link if so inclined, and Congrats of new job, Siun! What exciting times!
http://feingold.senate.gov/listening/index.html
Forever its students… Forever its Champions!
VG
I think that one of the reasons that the shrub is popular is because people feel like he’s somebody they could have a beer with. “walmart republicans’ are the people that believe in the ‘American Dream’ via this ‘down-homeyness’. The rethugs convey this kind of ‘message’ well. dems because of our education, world view and inherint commpassion for the human condition embrace the ideals of the American Dream. The split in the democrat party has traditionally been “blue collar union” and “limosine liberals”. This changed with reagan. He was so folksy that people thought, “He’s one of us”.
We know that this kind of ’spin’ is merely a marketing technique perfected by the money-loving, power-happy, goopers. They have played on absolutely every ‘happy button’ the American people have to their great advantage.
Dems have played the ‘intellect card’. Appealing to common sense and fairness doctorine. But the conversation has been on an intellectual level that the general public just doesn’t grasp. I spoke on Bob’s show about the, “systematic dumbing down of American”. Allen Bloom wrote that horrendous book on the topic 20 years ago and it goes on unabated.
Nobody likes to feel stupid or inadequate. The tone of the conversation on most blogs posted on the blogroll here, because of a pretty vast knowledge base, lend themselves to this feeling of inadequacy in those Americans that have been dumbed down.
The discourse, as alison says, is so hopeful. I’m not sure I could make it through all this without hope.
Ack!…I started a landfall.. good.
OFG at 35
I tatally agree with you.Its not those that stay that I’m talking about. Its those that leave.
I just came across this at Suburban Guerrilla.
http://www.adn.com/news/govern…..8526c.html
This is a bit that caught my attention.
The article tried to make it sound like that the participants considered it a joke.
Personally, I think that they considered it to be true and were proud of it. I guess that’s what happens when you read Ann Rand and take it seriously.
Alison @ 36
I’m tellin’ ya..I’m leaving Dr. Turtle for Alison.
Pach you started a wildfire…Well done!!
Dana @
37
Thanks Dana. For some reason that I DO NOT understand, your comment came up as moderated., but I have release it. Please all, remember to hit F5 or reload page, instead of hitting “refresh comments” box, so that comments that have been traped in mod (for no apparent reason) show up as part of the conversation.
UptownNYChick … thanks for the clips earlier and for stepping into one young person’s life.
Before you know it, they come back to visit and call to chat and such – and that is such an amazing bonus when they connect by choice like that. You’ll love it … and meanwhile, we’re here.
Hey gang. I just got back frmo a social gathering where I was sneaking to the side to read your comments from my Treo. Now’s it’s just about bed time but I wanted to say hey.
Aloha and good evenin’ to ya Pach!
beautiful insights, Pach, and one of the greatest things about your post is that we can already feel it happening. we face a lot of tough battles ahead and, no doubt, some disappointments and defeats as well, but we have each other for support and the knowledge and belief that we are doing something important, something which is right, something which simply must be done.
Great antidote to my post Pach. I’m afraid folks got sorta tensed up downstairs. Great way to unwind.
How was the “social gathering“? (sounds like polispeak for “party” :)
Siun @ 52
My pleasure for the clips. And I am very happy to have found this place. He checks in every night via IM or text. I like having great things to read and the conversations that go on here.
VG…does what I’ve said make any sense?
Aloha Nate! thanks for all your good cheer last night. It made me feel like a million bucks.
HopeSpringsATurtle @ 48
We’re going to have to keep meeting like this. Don’t ditch the doc.
HopeSpringsATurtle @ 59
You sell yourself WAY too short babe. There is no price tag that exists for someone as strong and radiant as you.
And that goes for all my heroes here at FDL.
Wow, I don’t think I’ve ever been “moderated” before! Maybe “valium” triggered it. As upsetting as these past 5 years have been, I’ve learned much from all of you. Until I began reading here, I never worked on a campaign or read beyond 2-3 newspapers and even then, not every day. I’ve enjoyed meeting Dru, Angie, and at the opening of the Webb HQ in Richmond, JaneS–all regular readers and posters here. Redshift helped me meet a few others. It’s been wonderful and educating.
I can’t possibly catch up with most of you, but I’m taking one step at a time and each one feels like a jump to me.
Alison…just glad you’ve arrived. If you met the Doc you’d know why I stay. I’m super in-love.
I look forward to the next chance for a get-together. Hopefully, I won’t have to run off so soon. This post election party at Siun’s isn’t limited to single chromosomes is it?
stfu, Lou was not on MTV…. this year? Really? Joking aside, Lou Reed was on MTV? Not MTV2 or VH1 Classic? If that is the case, how many ADD prescribed 16 year olds do you think turned the channel?
Pach Great Post. I come here for the community I’ve met some good people because of this site. Monday I hope to meet up with them again in Newtown supporting Lamont. I may even meet some new FDLers.
You can’t choose your family but you can choose your friends.
frakdaddy
I’m so jealous! have a great time and report back tout suite.
WTF? I just watched the whole You Tube and it ends with a copyright of 1993. What gives? DId Lou make an appearance and it isn’t available on You Tube yet?
OFG … I have never discriminated based on chromosones … hell, we could use a little variety in this household!
Post election bash/brunch makes me smile – I think we’ll have a bunch to celebrate inc. I hope the election of that wonderful Bill Winters who was here before (and who really needs funding help so don’t scrimp … he’s such a strong voice!)
OT or not:
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I was thinking last night how cool it was to be listening to HopeSAT’s radio gig with my virtual pals here at FDL, practically like we were all physically together, appreciating, encouraging, affirming. Now Pach shows up with this post on that very phenomenon and more. I also highly recommend developing your social network where you live with “our kind of people” by finding or founding an Drinking Liberally chapter in your town, and by getting involved with your local Democratic committee, or volunteering on a campaign. And the development of little cells of FDLers in a geographic area is important, as well as the larger clan gathering of YKos (or YFDL?). You guys all rock!
And congratulations Madame Secretary.
I found this site when the Plame story was getting started. Slowly, before 911, I noticed that the MSM was changing the way that news was delivered. My friends all thought I was totally nuts when I tried to tell them that the American Media were creating a one sided world. I began to spend more and more time on the internet and this led to blogs. I have learned so much in the last couple of years that I never knew about regarding the history of the country that I was born in. With FDL, however, it has shown me what a small world we live in and how we share so many of the same things. Like Ernesto. A storm that began in the Caribbean ended up touching so many of us here, as it goes from state to state.
Recently, I went to Blowing Rock Beach in Jupiter. If I was to go to Flickr.com right now, and type in Blowing Rock Beach, I will see some of the same exact shots that I took a couple of weeks ago, but, by someone else who probably went a couple of weeks ago too. It just amazes me!
Siun,
I agree about Bill. That dude is loaded for
bearelephant. I plan on hitting his tip jar a little harder. My boy turns 21 in a few days, so I’m taking him to Las Vegas. I’ll kick in more when I get back. I think Jay just yelled “Hello, is anybody in here,” and skeedaddled.HopeSpringsATurtle @
66
Will do. CtBob is bringing the camera, but it sounds like the float will be a no show
Social gathering = nine gay men eating dinner and playing poker. There was much laughter and screaming.
HopeSpringsATurtle @ 45
I think that a lot of it has to do with the passivity that is encouraged in our culture today. Little sayings like “what can you do?” or “you can’t fight city hall” reinforce the passive attitude. Combine that with the increasing pressure in just surviving in this economy and you end up with “I’m taking what they’re giving ’cause I’m working for a living.
My favorite apathetic remark is when they wave their hand dismissively and say “Oh, they’re all crooked.”
Gives me a Scooby Doo neck twist every time.
Op99 – curtsy and merci!
OFG – have a very good time in LV!
and Pach – so did you come out ahead?
Thanks, Pach. Great post. I just got back from My Dinner With Swopa II. We talked about how we met the best people through the blogosphere. It’s true. The people are amazing.
HopeSAT — I hear you, but I think there’s a shadow to your argument, a dark twin. Not only has there been a persistent dumbing-down, but it is deliberately fostered and encouraged by the right-wing’s movement.
No Child Left Behind, for example, concentrates instruction on conformity in education rather than overall achievement, and to the detriment of students at both ends of the spectrum. As a specific example, one of my kids is quite gifted, in a gifted program; they lost 15 days in February to preparation for NCLB-required testing. There are only 20 days of school that month, one of which was a half-day for in-service.
4.5 days of school for a gifted child, who learned virtually nothing. 15 days of resources spent on net-net nothing.
Yet somewhere in this school system there are children who could have benefitted from those resources being spent directly on improving their education — instead of dumbing them down even further with test prep.
It’s enough to make me rethink the whole private/home school scenario, but I don’t want to do that primarily because it is elitist and avoids the problem, fails to solve the crying need for better public education while giving in to the ultimate desires of ‘wingers.
At the very same time, the right-wing bashes “elites” — by which they mean educated folks, not their own economic elite who are equally educated but have the money to buy different PR. As this has gone on for multiple decades, being an intellect or using intellect to resolve disparities in understanding is seen as anathema.
It’s not that we play the intellect card on the left; it’s that the right rejects intellect over conformity and compliance.
God, if that is not the very definition of horror…
HopeSpringsATurtle @ 59
Yes it does.. but, here’s what happened… you said:
~~Dems have played the ‘intellect card’. Appealing to common sense and fairness doctorine. But the conversation has been on an intellectual level that the general public just doesn’t grasp. I spoke on Bob’s show about the, “systematic dumbing down of American”. Allen (Allan) Bloom wrote that horrendous book on the topic 20 years ago and it goes on unabated.~~
So, I was off googling the Bloom book, because it was “assigned reading” for all at my U, shortly after I arrived. I admit I never read it, but I remember that it was controversial at the time. So, your word “horrendous” caught my eye…
I found the Amazon link to the book, but it was not too informative as to trying to understand the spin. http://www.amazon.com/Closing-…..38;s=books
One comment on the page did catch my eye, and I don’t know what to make of it:
~~~William Kristol The Wall Street Journal
Brilliant….No other book combines such shrewd insights into our current state….No other book is at once so lively and so deep, so witty and so thoughtful, so outrageous and so sensible, so amusing and so chilling….An extraordinary book.~~~
?????
Oilfieldguy @ 75
How about people who won’t vote because “they’re all politicians.” Well, duh.
It’s like saying I’d like politics if it wasn’t for the politicians.
Rayne @ 78: Serfs don’t need no stinkin’ education.
You know…on the idea of Dems playing “the intellect card” … I always think it’s more the “arrogance card.” I find most people are actually quite smart and engage-able – if you talk about something they care about but our establishment had consistently said that politics and foreign policy and all are just too complicated for regular folks. I saw that so often in New Haven with development issues -the P&Z would spout about regs and such and never encouraged popular discussion. When we brought neighborhood folks to the P&Z hearings and then we got up and asked questions and pointed things out … suddenly the neighborhood saw that they could ask questions too and boy, did they. I think FDL is very like that … encouraging us all to ask questions and speak up.
op99 @ 82
Who was the British lady who said “I never vote, It only encourages them.” ?
off to take Omar and the upstairs dog out for a bit of a run … bbl
Don’t let Siun fool you, she doesn’t run ’cause the ice cubes keep flying out of her drink ;)
Siun @ 84
that kind of reminds me of how the Lieberman campaign was like a bunch of entitled insiders (forget the name of the Lobbyist for Lieberman) vs. the regular/every day people that worked for Lamont. It seems like the pols created a language to intimidate us and keep us from the conversation.
I actually think that is the most important campaign this year, the ciizens vs. the professionals.
It is an old political ploy:
“If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit.”
The lobbyist is Hadassah.
Oilfieldguy @ 89
i think when you break things down to a common language, we (the people) all get agree more than we disagree.
Bingo! we have a winner.
op99 — that’s a succinct way of stating the goal of the real fascists who are running this show.
They b*tch about the brown-skinned peoples invading the U.S. — but they fail to see that the very thing they seek to create, a two-class system of ultra-wealthy haves and desparate have-nots already in existence in neighboring/nearby countries has encouraged emigration legal and illegal to the U.S. What happens when the U.S. has no opportunity for the intelligent have-nots?
It will require us all moving back not only towards “easy” communities on line, where the barriers are low to entry; real solutions are going to require us to participate in our local communities, on the school board or just showing up at school board meetings.
That’s my goal this year, try to squeeze in those meetings between canvassing and GOTV and helping the kids with homework…it’ll be tough, but accountability has to start right here in my backyard.
HopeSAT 10:44 pm — Gads, is that not authoritarianism, conformity and compliance?
Ugh. Gives me gooseflesh and makes me shudder to think of it.
Fahrenheit 451 meets Handmaid’s Tale.
ccmask @ 90
true. i meant the one that was rude to Lamont. I guess he has enough to start a true PAC.
Bears in San Francisco!
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/arti…..KU7SD1.DTL
Thanks for this great post, Pach, sometimes we all need reminding that we are doing the right thing here. Keep coming back, it works!
well I did read it (required for the calss I was taking) and it is filth. Doesn’t Bill “Hitler” Krystal commendation confirm it?
the thesis of the book is that by encouraging the reading of ‘alteranate’ read, ethnic novels was undermining the very foundation of our countries morality and ethics. It was a blatant push toward the theocratic, facistic, ego-driven, ethno-centric propaganda the that BushCo pushes today.
….(forget the name of the Lobbyist for Lieberman)…
Richard Goodstein
suin at 85 makes an excellent point.
night all!
HopeSAT, is there an archive of your radio spot from last night? I was a couple of hours late to the thread and missed you. Would have loved to hear it in real time.
OFG … run, moi? naaa …. quick trip out since my drink* was inside
*ice tea actually …
HopeSAT — oh yeah, siun has a GREAT point.
In fact, there’s another weapon in that holster, once folks realize they can empower themselves and ask any question they want.
Newbies have a special gift that can cut through a lot of crap; experienced folks will cut them slack because “they (newbies) don’t know any better”.
Heh. As a group we have used this powerful tool deliberately. We stack the room if there’s going to be a vote on a mission critical item, to ensure we have critical mass. Then we encourage the “newbie” among us to ask the question that sets up the frame. Works like a charm, and the old school never knew what hit them, find themselves having voted for something that a newbie introduced. Good stuff.
It’s now a rule in our circle: ALWAYS ASK THAT “STUPID” QUESTION. If a question seems stupid, it’s often because one is a newbie on that topic — hence, enormous power is theirs if they only ask the question.
Mary4,
Agree with Rayne and eagerly await further comments from you about the Plame investigation. Your observations in the last thread about the Armitage stories and the way the media is currently spinning them were spot on. Trust our Christy will open a new thread soon and allow us to comment….the Ken Duberstein connection is new and really interesting.
Have folks here noted Larry Johnson’s latest on this topic:
Link to No Quarter
Because democracies don’t produce terrorists.
“Gadahn grew up in rural simplicity on a ranch southwest of Hemet, Calif.”
-GSD
HopeSAT … working with my neighborhood in CT was very enlightening to me. I had previously worked with very activist communities and never understood why people didn’t stand up and speak out. But my neighbors felt completely excluded from government… even from things like a zoning meeting about our neighborhood and they did not know that they could go to the hearings or that once there, they just had to sign up to get a chance to talk and ask questions. One night I just got fed up with the head of P&Z and continued to debate him (rather vigorously) after my initial question and my neighbors were astonished that I did not get into big trouble or something but instead actually got some answers. They really did not know that you could do that … once they learned, there was no holding them back. But we make politics an elitist, professional activity … and therefore shut out people’s voice – and I think we all know this is not just by chance.
archives at white rose society.. Linky at my site on the bottom of “links’
Siun @ 107
Back before the 2004 election, I was listening to a story on NPR that was really cool. It seems back during the Civil Rights movement they used to hold civics meetings for Blacks to teach them their rights as citizens.
we could use those classes again(because after Reagan raped the Education Depts. in this country, they don’t teach it in school).
There is really a dramatic push by most of the media to look at anything but what is going on.
There was the master stroke of work this week focusing all of the energy and anger on Rumsfeld. Instead of doing any Katrina retrospection, the story was the Rummy/Nazi schtick.
Just like Katrina people focused their anger on Rummy, in Katrina’s case it was “Brownie”, when the real culprits are The Decider, Deadeye and the Turdblossom.
So we have the same suspects in the run up to the Iraq fiasco, Wapoo and NYT’s that are helping to throw sand on Pat Fitzgerald and Joe Wilson. They are trying to revive the Chimpy and Turdblossom Show just one more time.
It is maddening.
-GSD
ugh … Fox Beltway Boys showing the Vets for Freedom ad for Lieberman … and trashing Chris Shays for backing away from the war. “The Republicans have to get used to the fact that these democrats are going to air tough ads about Iraq”… they are now showing the anti-Heather Wilson ad and said it was good. They are really after Chris Shays for giving in the the dems.
Exactly!. an anecdotal experience of what can happen when people feel ‘included’. Thanks Suin.
Agh. Bad puppy. Second night in a row I’m on after 2 am EDT here at the Lake. In-laws coming tomorrow, too, need my shuteye to deal with them.
Have fun, gang, try to catch you folks for Book Salon with John Dean tomorrow! (um, today, this evening…)
Can I get a ‘halleluja’?
g’night Rayne! have a good inlaws!
Sorry it has taken me so long to put this together, but I still hope folks will check it out. I was prompted by UptownNYChick’s comment that that kind of reminds me of how the Lieberman campaign was like a bunch of entitled insiders (forget the name of the Lobbyist for Lieberman) vs. the regular/every day people that worked for Lamont.
I was in CT, and at the Meriden HQ on the eve of the day of the primary. I stayed around HQ instead of going to the party across the street for quite a while, because that really was command central and I was fascinated. The campaign was powered by regular people, for sure. I took some pix of them– granted everyone in HQ command central was feeling silly and elated and really really tired. But, have a look at these regular people on the eve of victory- these are the people who worked for us, to make the victory happen.
http://s8.photobucket.com/albu…..48/Lamont/
Night rayne..Thanks for everything. Good luck with the in-laws and sweet dreams.
Siun,
Congrats on the new gig.
The Beltway Boys are worse than a bowl of warm vomit. Talk about the meaninglessness of words. For Fast Freddy Barnes to claim Bush is a “rebel” is so pathetic. Yep, rebel, you know, scion of the eastablishment who goes on to become the establisment himself.
Whoof.
-GSD
we could use those classes again [civics](because after Reagan raped the Education Depts. in this country, they don’t teach it in school).
Amen, UptownNYChick. And, actually, that’s a good idea.
*g* say hi to my daughter for me. She’s somewhere on long island.
Nice pics…real people. Thank God.
GSD @ 118
I found this funny quote about a political “maverick” the other day. In a way it explains how Bush could be seen as a rebel (or maverick)…
Guess who it is? It Joe Lieberman in 1988 about his then opponent. I find it fascinating.
ok..I’m spent. Doc t comes home tomorrow. I HAVE to clean the house. and sleep. Love you guys. Be good.
HopeSpringsATurtle @
114
Jalapeno
How about the Republicans today. “We have seniority and experience” in Congress and we can’t give that up.
12 years ago these tools were screaming about term limits and were chanting “throw the bums out”.
The Americans sho’ got a short memory.
-GSD
Uptown you are sooo lasered on Jo-lie. I love it. let me knoew If I can help at all. No expert, but you never know what i can pull out of my ass.
Jesus Marimba.
-GSD
HopeSpringsATurtle @ 125
Well, I needed a hobby…..and like I said, I am so hoping the real people win this one.
I am down in the town I grew up in tonight. I came to see my family, but also to deliver a CD of Elissa’s music to someone who lives here who contacted me through the blog. It was really nice to get to talk to someone who knew and loved her.
He asked if there was anything he could do for me, but I didn’t feel right saying to a stranger, “Would you just hold me so I can finally fall asleep?”
I thought it might give him the wrong idea.
HopeSAT – great lieberman quote, we’ll need that when he runs with McCain! I was off reading your blog … such good stuff!
and GSD – I only occasionally switch to Fox for a quick glimpse to see what their level of Iran frenzy … they seem to be more anti-Fitz and anti-Lamont at the moment which is bad, but not as frightening as about two months ago when they ran nonstop “specials” detailing the targets we should hit in Iran.
TRex @ 128
That’s why cats have it so good…they walk up to perfect strangers and seem to say ‘ok, affection now.’
I am sorry for your loss.
{{{{ TRex }}}}}
Trex … we’ll all hold you!
http://s8.photobucket.com/albu…..48/Lamont/
Siun- from my comment #116 above.
And, Trex, consider yourself held with warm arms. You are a mensch. xxooo
Siun,
They have openend of the war zombie crypt at FAUX and have been itching for a blood feast.
As I have said before, Bill Kristol is poster boy of the banality of evil.
I can’t watch FUX for too long either, like the Medusa, they’ll turn me to stone.
-GSD
(((TRex)))
And here’s another one {{{{{{{TRex}}}}}}}
TRex..cuddle up. I have strong arms and a heart to match.
TRex 128:
Anyone of us would be proud to hold you.
“They say he’s a righteous dude!”
VG – I love those pics! what was neat was the day after primary, the regular crew pictured here were back as usual at hq, cleaning up and getting on with work again … happy and ready for the second half! some great personalities there and amazing spirit!
GSD – I treat Faux like a barometer … figure they amp up the war drums whenever the attack is near … I really think W was about to hit Iran when the Hersh article came out about the nuclear option and they seemed to pull back a bit right then. The signs were really strong right then …
Hopie:
Bleibst du noch in Deutschland?
I swear I’m on my way to bed. But this was epu’d from downstairs. I have a brilliant find posted right now at my site. Click me. I want to counter the bullshit ABC 9/11 propaganda.
Copy it. Spread it around. Watch. Comment on it. We will not go quietly into the night.
Sweet dreams all.
Sweet TRex! When I get in that “can’t sleep” place due to grief… I get all tucked in the bed, get the pups arranged properly around my feet and imagine myself snuggled in a giant hand of God… sometimes it just is “whatever works”…
{{{{{TRex}}}}}
Two words. Ambien.
Siun- thanks- I thought you might recognize them. I was so taken with their spirit and their dedication. I tried to send the pix to them a while back, but I’m not sure my link worked. If you get a chance to relay the album, it would be much appreciated. And, I was doing my share of cleaning up on the eve- I just had to do something with my nervous energy… ahh, all those half-full water bottles etc.
G’night friends and comrades!
And Trex … will think of you!
Oh crap, I put myself in moderation jail with a drug brand name. (A m b i e n for TRex)
Steve
ich im Texas. Also, Ich denken du bist auch geschaftig.
Danke fur ihr betreffen.
Op dear … freed the pharma comment …
g’nite!
Thanx siun, gnight
Alaska FBI Legislative offices bust update:
Not much new to report today. Alaska news shuts down over the weekends. There’s virtually no 24-7 media here, and that’s OK.
The only media which keeps up over the course of the day during weekends are the biggest TV stations in Anchorage and Fairbanks. And they covered the memorial service in Fairbanks for Susan Butcher, one of the great dog lovers on the planet:
Fairbanks, Alaska – The state of Alaska tonight remembered one of it’s pioneers. Not a pilot or politician, but a woman who did as much as anyone to put Alaska on the map and she did it with a dog team.
By now everyone knows the Susan Butcher story, a child of privilege from Massachusetts who gave it all up for a life amongst the dogs in Alaska’s wilderness. There she found purpose and success in what had always been a man’s world. Then, while at the top of her game, gave it up for the dream of becoming a mother.
Susan Butcher passed away 4 weeks ago after an eight month battle with leukemia. But today’s memorial was not as much about Butcher’s dignity in death, as much as it was about the dignity she showed in life.
http://www.ktuu.com/cms/anmvie…..44&z=1
Anyway, I hope Katymine’s 26-glacier cruise on Prince William Sound went
swimminglywell and that she stayed warm.Click me. Its worth it. I promise.
Gnite, Siun
Hi all, checking in after a day of Glacier viewing on my Alaska vacation.
Thanks, y’all.
I’ll find somebody to snuggle with. In the meantime, I have some awesome kitties. And who can forget Ned the Fighting Koi? Although, sad to say, Ned isn’t big on snuggling.
TRex:
And he’s rather damp, and smells like, well, a fish.
Hi, gang,
I’ve been catching up on everything since getting back from vacation, so I haven’t been around as much (well, I’ve been lurking.) But I wanted to jump in briefly on this before bed. It was really great to get together with firepups in L.A., especially because I felt I was deliberately passing along “being a catalyst” that had happened to me. Pach and I live less than two miles from each other, and had talked about getting together, but didn’t actually meet until we went all the way to Las Vegas. That served as a catalyst for Grrtigger starting our local Drinking Liberally, which has brought more of us together. So I was pleased to be able to do that for another group.
That’s another thing we have — we may not have permanent lifelong communities in the Real World, but that doesn’t mean we don’t have them. Meeting here is great, but getting out and meeting your local folks is great, too! And that’s a skill we all have.
TRex:
How much music of hers do you have?
Redshift, dude!
katymine @ 152
Hi Katymine. Isn’t that color of the glaciers other-worldly?
katymine @ 152
Did you stay dry? How was it?
dashing back for a second … just caught this link from MFI’s site … W’s latest speechifying is not quite making us friends in the ME … from Dubai based Gulf News:
http://www.gulfnews.com/opinio…..64305.html
and now I am off!
Redshift!
all the peeps showed up so late! hi redshift, hi op, hi katymine!~
g’nite little pups….
Thanks for the AK update, ET – Ms. Butcher was really quite something…
Hope:
YGM
g’ nite, Teddy
Drove from Whittier to Seward and back today. It was raining on the drive down but it stopped once we arrived in Seward and was beautiful on the drive back.
Go on the Glacier cruise tomorrow and the ferry to Cordova via Valdez on Monday. Thanks for all your help ET and Yes op99, that amazing blue color of the Glaciers is other worldly.
BTW what are the name of that really large lake north of Seward?
McGee @ 105
Here’s a quote therefrom:
And ET the Ben Stevens/FBI raid has been front page 3 days running on the Anchorage Daily News. I also saw a lot of Tony Knowles (D Candidate – Governor)signs on the way to Seward!
katymine,
The largest lake you can see from the road (through the trees toward your left on the way back to Whittier) is the eastern edge of Kenai Lake, which is colored a unique bluish grey. The lake most visible along your route was Summit Lake, off to your right on the way back.
katymine,
my 17-yo son is headed down to the area around Seward early in the morning to go mountain biking with three young ladies (!!!) up to a lake at the 3,000 foot level on the Resurrection Pass trail. Like you, I can’t remember the name of the lake.
ET 170:
Mountain biking, huh? So that’s what the kids call it today. And 3 girls? Whatever he has going on, he should bottle it and sell it!
The issue is that I left the really good topo map at home (damn) and there were no signs that identified the lakes. Surprised about all the bike trails and paths, had no idea.
The fog was rolling in around Portage when we went into Whittier road for the tunnel.
Saw lots of salmon being caught past the Sealife Aquarium. (Yum!)
SteveAudio,
That little (6′3″) twirp never cleans his room, car or band space. More frustration than a six-pack of daughters is what my brother with a bunch of kids says about sons.
But girls see something in him I seem to have missed. Fortunately, in spite of his heavy metal band and all the generic band girls who come to listen to their rehearsals, he’s attracted to bright young women who are athletes and think for themselves.
good night all
nite nite OldCoastie
nite, OC
ET 173:
That all seems pretty good.
katymine, SA
I’m signing off. Mostly wanted to see how katymine’s doing. nite all….
ET – we have not seen any large animals as yet, swans, geese, salmon and a bald eagle but nothing larger than a snowshoe rabbit. Did see a herd of Dahl Sheep from the train at Turnagain but nothing else. Are they hiding because it is hunting season ?
katymine @ 179
This time of year the salmon are in schools and the bears are playing hooky. The moose will show up in three weeks. You’re late for whales, but you’ll see hundreds of sea otters and perhaps thousands of seals and even more birds in the morning. bye.
nite, folks
Hear, hear.
Hmmm, everyone is gone to sleep, I guess.
Morning all from Maine….anyone else here?
Good morning OS, I’ve got the coffee brewing, and I’m putting together a bag of books to teach a class today (Celtic Knotwork, it’s not as difficult as it looks, really) How’s it going up there in my lovely neighboring state?
hi beard,
keep that fire goin’ ’til somebody else shows up. i’ve gotta go get some things done.
Hi beard, I’ve missed you here early mornings. I saw your recent creation that you posted a couple of nights ago. You know, the one in all caps you said wasn’t so great. Shelf the humility, dude. *g* It looked wonderful to me. As an artist/craftsperson, I know we always see what’s not right, but thanks for sharing it with us.
We are drifting into autumn, though it’s still very green and we still have to cut the grass. Of course the light is changing, and the temperatures falling, but still we have many lovely days. We may have some side-effects of the tropical storm later in the day.
To whom do you teach?
Angie, nothing’s there to be found.
Mod, I think we’re starting to undergo some kind of a spam attack. Maybe it’s just my tinfoil needing adjustment………..
OS, my sleep schedule went completely wonky this week (I blame getting all 5 seasons of Babylon 5 for this)so I’ve been missing the mornings on the Late Night thread.
Regarding that scroll, I showed it to a few people yesterday (it’s getting presented to the recipient later today)One of whom, I discovered, is one of my idols for calligraphy and illumination. To quote “Crap! You’re better at that than I am!” I was floored, absolutely floored.
I’m heading out again later today, so, thanks for the Weather advisory, I’ll be bringing two or three wool cloaks with me, in case others have forgotten theirs.
I’m teaching (and learning) in the SCA a batch of lovely people with great fashion sense, just a few years out of date (okay, a few centuries)If you’re actually curious about the group, let me know and I’ll post the links. Depending on where you live, in Maine, you may be in Malagentia (SCA name) which has one of the best summertime events on the east coast.
OS, I think you’re right about the weird spam.
That baffles me, who spams a blog? Does it actually do them any good, or make money? (I loves the internets, yes I do, but they do confuse me)
yup — definitely a spam attack — I’ve been smiting them quickly — hit F5 to reload your page and you’ll see they’re all gone
spamming is incredibly cheap, almost free — the response to the spams can be very low but the cost ratio is still attractive.
Thanks *ilson. Special greetings to you out there in Modville.
Ah, thank you *ilson!Smite away! (And here’s a cup of fresh Kona for you)
And thank you for the explanation. So it’s basically Buckshot Advertising. (Like shooting buckshot into the air and hope that something comes down)
and the buckshot is almost free for them — if a fool visits that sex or drugs site and pays with a credit card, the credit card number is stolen and used illegally — real scumbags
Sheesh. Scumbags is a polite term for those pariahs. A quick look at Antiwar.com is enough to make one blanche. Between the drumbeats to war here and in Israel, the poppy crop in Afghanstan, and the rest of the cheerful articles, doomed r us.
At least we have the Lake to support our innate moral courage and optimism.
As a person deeply involved with community development dynamics, I offer one of my favorite “touchstones” about community. From John McKnight and Jody Kretzmann, leaders in asset-based community development:
“Every living person has some gift or capacity of value to others. A strong community is a place that recognises these gifts and ensures they are given. A weak community is a place where lots of people can’t or don’t give their gifts.
Every single person has capacities, abilities and gifts. Living a good life depends on whether those capacities can be used, abilities expressed and gifts given.”
Today’s Talking Heads, from the Washington Post
Though I know that’s going to come up on the main page soon.
Dang, when I quickly looked at the lineup I thought that was going to be Maureen Dowd.
Poo.
well folks, if you will, let me segue from spam to hillary:
just up at Huffington Post is a story that Senator Clinton may opt out of an ‘08 presidential run and concentrate on her role in the Senate. Some of us were tossing around her prospects last week and i floated that possibility (pat, pat, sore elbow and all). I think it was in the post about Ned visiting Hillary. Of course there’s no certainty that she will take that option but it would be an astute move. She could become the LBJ of the 21st century (the part when he was a senator), save a lot of rancor and infighting in the ‘08 race for Democrats and foil the Repugs attack plans. What’s not to like?
Coast Guard plans live ammo training session in Great Lakes –environmentalists and shippers unhappy
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/…..pe1&c=
Article&cid=1157147419596&call_pageid=968332188492
fahrender @ 202
I’d have a hard time voting for her for President due to her hawkishness, but am more comfortable with her remaining in the senate. I suspect she’d have a difficult timing winning the top seat in the Admin, and would waste a lot of time and effort and $$ doing so. We need a winner in 08.
I agree about Hillary becoming the Senate Leader — it can be a damn powerful position. I think Hillary is like most of us in that she wants to “do good” and power is useful as a means to do the right thing. She probably understands a Presidential run would fail, robbing her of useful benificent power…
You know, I’ve been fond of Hillary since I met her at an exhibit of American Crafts That was on show in Rochester, NY. She obviously loved the artists who’d created the works in the collection. (Not a political act, I’m sure, but still an interesting observation)
OS,
I’ve always been pretty neutral about Hil. It puzzled me how she rankled so many people on both sides of the fence. I’m not happy about her position on Iraq either but she has some spunk and it seems like she’s not to be trifled with. If she became either the Senate Majority Leader or the Minority Leader I predict we might get some discipline going. Pure speculation but that’s my two cents worth.
GOP Focus on Security Issues Just saw this in the Washington Post, to which I can only say…GOOD! Focus on security issues, we Dems will nail them, on it.
(hacking up a beardly hairball here)
amazing. ilson, beard OS and me all agreeing about the Hil. i didn’t think that any four people could basically agree about her (in a positive way). time to send a letter to her office.
beard5 @ 208
you can send the hairball over to jomentum’s website. they need a new hacking issue.
Beard, agreed–she’s a smart one, our Hil. I think some folks resent her because she’s female, and some because she keeps sticking by her man!! I agree she’s not to be trifled with (except by her DH, but that’s not any of MY business–other folks’ relationships are theirs to work through)and that when she brings her formidable mind,energy and dedication into play, she could and does accomplish a lot. I’d just prefer to see her avoid this WH in this era of the warrior, because she sizes up the rules and then follows them. We need someone to buck them just about now.
OS,
Russ Feingold fits the ticket.
well folks, i cheated and didn’t stay on the job as long as i should’ve. the ball seems to be rollin’ pretty good now so i’m gonna head back to the dreaded task at hand. carry on pilgrims……
a new hacking issue for Lieberman? — well, he sent out a press release announcing a new blog starting Tuesday at joe2006.com but the FUCKING MORONS didnt register http://www.Joe2006Blog.com or http://www.BlogJoe2006.com — I did !
We had a client (and his father) visiting this weekend. Father is in the over 70 age group, and has been in business quite successfully his whole life, and continues so. While he thinks Joe L. is okay (in the interest of livlihood, I only recommended he read up on Lamont carefully and take into consideration the results of the primary and the will of the people), he also said that he thinks the Dems will take both houses in Nov. There’s something about this guy that makes me think “spook”. And I wondered what he might now about anything else currently in the “wings”, so to speak.
*ilson, the nitwittedness of the Lie-campaign is remarkable. You’d think they’d’ve had someone reading FDL and seeing your scorecard and done something!!!
Mornin’ Earlybirds,
Pach’s Post: ya know I went to bed last night telling myself to just be quiet, continue my education via lurking b/c after all, Jane has worked hard to build an activist community, not a coffee klatsch, blah, blah, blah,
but the siren’s song of connectivity here is all but irresistible for me, I sooo look forward to seeing what you’re all up to and it is reassuring to read that wild Incan’s post
beard5,
years ago I fell in to a group of SCA’ers in Berkeley – we played RISK every other week – all showed up wearing various Military hats or sashes to represent their countries – tremendous fun, and an intellectual smorgasboard much like a certain on line site
oh and Pach, ‘nine gay men eating dinner, playing poker’ – I smell Obie !
gonna go sit on the porch and enjoy the quiet and the sub 100 deg. temp, back in a bit
locally, I wanted to check out something on the GOP Congressional candidate’s website — I couldnt recall the exact name so I tried several likely combinations before I hit on it finally. Then I realized I could register those likely GOP names. The poor guy has absolutely no chance of winning and I’d just be wasting my money however. I will tell the Democratic candidate to snarf up some likely spoof names to protect herself though!
CBL, it’s funny, but last night, we went out for dinner and were disussing “intellectual smorgasbord” as well. It’s hard to imagine another group of people that can, in one conversation, go from politics, to Ellen DeGeneres, to information theory, to the medieval use of earwax in gesso to finish up at how to properly treat a badger hide to make a proper sporran, in one meal. (and yes, we briefly touched on how to ferment urine to make proper indigo, it’s nasty. Don’t do it)
CBL–an intellectual smorgasboard much like a certain on line site….mmmm…….I feel that I so rarely have much to add to the intellectual tenor of this place, so many others have followed things so much more closely than I and/or are specialists, but I need the community connectedness that I otherwise lack somewhat here in the sticks. If we are asked to stop with the early morning coffee klatching, I will reluctantly, and like you, return to the self-educating (!)I pursue here. FDL, Political University of the Toobz.
And I think I’ll feed a little more fuel into the woodstove in our 48 degree morning
gooooood morning kids.
Hi Tommy–did you get hit by the storm very hard?
Mod–hard to imagine what sparked moderation in my last comment at what would have been 219–nothing unforgettable, so if it went out of sight, that’s okay. Not worth digging for *g*
Hi OS,
It rained hard, but passed east of us. The rain was much needed, but too late to save my dwark Alberta spruce. Now we’re enjoying temperatures comfortable enough to keep the windows open and the A/C off. Me likey.
If you reload, OS, you’ll see 219, it’s right up there. Good morning Tommy! Have a cup of coffee.
Hi beard, and thanks. I can almost taste it–wait, I can! I have a cup in front of me! How did you know I like Sumatra?
Doesn’t everyone, Tommy? (yup, got Sumatran here too)
Great LTE criticizing Joe
If anyone knows David Atkins or
Sandy Hook, please tell them how much we appreciate their LTE and the GREATER DANBURY NEWS for publishing it.Morning OS, cbl, and everyone else on the thread, who I forgot to mention.
Tommy…Because of the regular rain this summer here (often we have a drought from mid-June on to Spetember), my dwarf albertas have finally grown fat and sassy! In fact, the warmer temperatures earlier and the steadier rain have caused all the shrubbery and trees to grow hugely this year. Probably the extra CO2 helped too. Nice to look at, a little scary if this is a trend.
Hi John, that is a great letter. BTW Sandy Hook is the name of a town in W CT, so you could edit your post if you wish…….
LOL, thanks OS.
New Thread Upstairs.
John Casper,
Thanks for printing that LTE. Some of us from MA are planning to get up in the wee hours and join Ned in the parade. The more the merrier!
One thing about the Ned campaign that we don’t write about enough is how much fun it is to be involved. I kind of wish I had the same enthusiasm for the gubernatorial primary in MA, but I don’t. Oh well.
Mornin’ all.
Re Bill Winter yesterday, he was DY-N0-MYTE. I humbly (kinda) suggest that Bill Winter be our next “Nedster” project. :)
All of the FDLers who are going to the Newtown parade should wear badges saying “FDL” so you can recognize each other. Or all wear “blue shirts” or something… think of all the wonderful surprises.. “you are a rabid lamb??” … loving it.