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		<title>By: politicalpartypoop.com - Politics and other stuff in life that stinks &#187; Time for Answers From the Times.</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/01/wrong-said-fred/#comment-281979</link>
		<dc:creator>politicalpartypoop.com - Politics and other stuff in life that stinks &#187; Time for Answers From the Times.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Sep 2006 14:56:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[…] Now the table is being set for a Libby pardon, helpfully abetted by the New York Times, the Washington Post and Bill Kristol among others. Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald, who has worked so tirelessly and efficiently on this case, is being smeared by those who either don’t understand what has happened to date or are willfully ignorant of history. […]&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[…] Now the table is being set for a Libby pardon, helpfully abetted by the New York Times, the Washington Post and Bill Kristol among others. Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald, who has worked so tirelessly and efficiently on this case, is being smeared by those who either don’t understand what has happened to date or are willfully ignorant of history. […]</p>
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		<title>By: Casual Participant</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/01/wrong-said-fred/#comment-275142</link>
		<dc:creator>Casual Participant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Sep 2006 20:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jane, Well Done. Again.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I agree with you regarding this latest instance of Hiatt emerging from his spider hole for another “pronouncement.” He is grasping for some way to justify his (and Donald Graham’s) support for the invasion of Iraq as it becomes more evident with each passing day that the whole contrived affair is the absolute worst failure of foreign policy in this country’s history. The seminal charge in this so-called editorial that &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“… one of the most sensational charges leveled against the Bush White House — that it orchestrated the leak of Ms. Plame’s identity to ruin her career and thus punish Mr. Wilson — is untrue…” &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;is not supported in his soliloquy, which does not include a single fact to support his assertion.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Anyone who has a passing knowledge of the White House Leak knows the basic facts that you detailed above. As an aside, why do people/media keep referring to this criminal activity as “the CIA leak case?” This is entirely a “White House Leak.”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane, Well Done. Again.</p>
<p>I agree with you regarding this latest instance of Hiatt emerging from his spider hole for another “pronouncement.” He is grasping for some way to justify his (and Donald Graham’s) support for the invasion of Iraq as it becomes more evident with each passing day that the whole contrived affair is the absolute worst failure of foreign policy in this country’s history. The seminal charge in this so-called editorial that </p>
<p>“… one of the most sensational charges leveled against the Bush White House — that it orchestrated the leak of Ms. Plame’s identity to ruin her career and thus punish Mr. Wilson — is untrue…” </p>
<p>is not supported in his soliloquy, which does not include a single fact to support his assertion.</p>
<p>Anyone who has a passing knowledge of the White House Leak knows the basic facts that you detailed above. As an aside, why do people/media keep referring to this criminal activity as “the CIA leak case?” This is entirely a “White House Leak.”</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Hughesd</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/01/wrong-said-fred/#comment-274881</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Hughesd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Sep 2006 17:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The trouble with the NeoCon Republican party is that they are consistently WRONG about everything.Bush is stupid,incurious,incompetent,petulant,dishonest,mean,vindictive.Did I say stupid? Yes he is CONSISTENTLY all these things!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The trouble with the NeoCon Republican party is that they are consistently WRONG about everything.Bush is stupid,incurious,incompetent,petulant,dishonest,mean,vindictive.Did I say stupid? Yes he is CONSISTENTLY all these things!</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Hughesd</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/01/wrong-said-fred/#comment-274878</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Hughesd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Sep 2006 17:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-273707&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;LindaR @ 3 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;(EPU’d but OT, I believe)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is your brain on Republican Logic:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ed Rollins on CNN just now:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt; The problem with Democrats is, A, there is not a consistent message; and equally important, anyone who wants to be independent and think beyond the box that you’re trying to put yourself in, whether it’s Hillary or Lieberman, they get slapped aside.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So, the problem with Democrats is that they are not consistent &lt;i&gt; and&lt;/i&gt; they slap inconsistency aside.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-273707"><em>LindaR @ 3 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>(EPU’d but OT, I believe)</p>
<p>This is your brain on Republican Logic:</p>
<p>Ed Rollins on CNN just now:</p>
<blockquote><p> The problem with Democrats is, A, there is not a consistent message; and equally important, anyone who wants to be independent and think beyond the box that you’re trying to put yourself in, whether it’s Hillary or Lieberman, they get slapped aside.</p>
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<p>So, the problem with Democrats is that they are not consistent <i> and</i> they slap inconsistency aside.</p>
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		<title>By: RCN</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/01/wrong-said-fred/#comment-274609</link>
		<dc:creator>RCN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Sep 2006 13:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;OK folks, been trolling this place for awhile. I am sorry to say that what brought me here was my attraction to Jane when she appeared at the Kos convention (Wilson panel broadcast on C-Span). Since then I have enjoyed reading everyones comments. I like to read both parties position and then form a decision. My problem is this thread ignores the best information the general public has on this subject, the Senate &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/library/congress/2004_rpt/iraq-wmd-intell_toc.htm&quot;&gt;Intelligence Report&lt;/a&gt; . &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Just a couple of it’s conclusions…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“(U) Conclusion 12. Until October 2002 when the Intelligence Community obtained the forged foreign language documents9 on the Iraq-Niger uranium deal, it was reasonable for analysts to assess that Iraq may have been seeking uranium from Africa based on Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) reporting and other available intelligence.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Conclusion 13. The report on the former ambassador’s trip to Niger, disseminated in March 2002, did not change any analysts’ assessments of the Iraq-Niger uranium deal. For most analysts, the information in the report lent more credibility to the original Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) reports on the uranium deal, but State Department Bureau of Intelligence and Research (INR) analysts believed that the report supported their assessment that Niger was unlikely to be willing or able to sell uranium to Iraq.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The report paints Mr. Wilson at best uninformed and at worst a liar. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I read Mr. Wilson’s op-ed in the WSJ the day it came out and was originally pissed. Now that as much truth as the general public gets is out there (Armitage), and the subject is now full circle to what brought me to your site, I am compelled to write something.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK folks, been trolling this place for awhile. I am sorry to say that what brought me here was my attraction to Jane when she appeared at the Kos convention (Wilson panel broadcast on C-Span). Since then I have enjoyed reading everyones comments. I like to read both parties position and then form a decision. My problem is this thread ignores the best information the general public has on this subject, the Senate <a href="http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/library/congress/2004_rpt/iraq-wmd-intell_toc.htm">Intelligence Report</a> . </p>
<p>Just a couple of it’s conclusions…</p>
<p>“(U) Conclusion 12. Until October 2002 when the Intelligence Community obtained the forged foreign language documents9 on the Iraq-Niger uranium deal, it was reasonable for analysts to assess that Iraq may have been seeking uranium from Africa based on Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) reporting and other available intelligence.”</p>
<p>“Conclusion 13. The report on the former ambassador’s trip to Niger, disseminated in March 2002, did not change any analysts’ assessments of the Iraq-Niger uranium deal. For most analysts, the information in the report lent more credibility to the original Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) reports on the uranium deal, but State Department Bureau of Intelligence and Research (INR) analysts believed that the report supported their assessment that Niger was unlikely to be willing or able to sell uranium to Iraq.”</p>
<p>The report paints Mr. Wilson at best uninformed and at worst a liar. </p>
<p>I read Mr. Wilson’s op-ed in the WSJ the day it came out and was originally pissed. Now that as much truth as the general public gets is out there (Armitage), and the subject is now full circle to what brought me to your site, I am compelled to write something.</p>
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		<title>By: 60yoh</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/01/wrong-said-fred/#comment-274417</link>
		<dc:creator>60yoh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Sep 2006 06:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;gsd @ 158, yah, me too, i am also personally responsible for that british guy making a movie using my very own ‘what if’ storyline.  and not one pence in recompence!  i envisioned a basket of cash, and only got a bushel of peas.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;love that pea soup!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gsd @ 158, yah, me too, i am also personally responsible for that british guy making a movie using my very own ‘what if’ storyline.  and not one pence in recompence!  i envisioned a basket of cash, and only got a bushel of peas.</p>
<p>love that pea soup!</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Buck</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/01/wrong-said-fred/#comment-274128</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Buck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Sep 2006 03:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Rayne @114: you need to do your own homework.  Do you know who Eric Raymond is?  He is an intensely right-wing warblogger, who despises Robert Fisk.  He used to be quite respectable among the software development community, but he has abandoned advocacy of open source for a full-scale war on liberals and “Islamofascism”.  He regularly links to paranoid fantasies of the world enslaved by Muslims.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You can google for his blog if you like.  I won’t link to it, because it is vile.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yes, he wrote a dictionary, but while it started with a  respectable list, he added lots of words like “anti-idiotarian” (you see, according to his ilk we all are “idiotarians”) and gave everything a right-wing slant.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I repeat: no progressive should use the term “fisking”.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rayne @114: you need to do your own homework.  Do you know who Eric Raymond is?  He is an intensely right-wing warblogger, who despises Robert Fisk.  He used to be quite respectable among the software development community, but he has abandoned advocacy of open source for a full-scale war on liberals and “Islamofascism”.  He regularly links to paranoid fantasies of the world enslaved by Muslims.</p>
<p>You can google for his blog if you like.  I won’t link to it, because it is vile.</p>
<p>Yes, he wrote a dictionary, but while it started with a  respectable list, he added lots of words like “anti-idiotarian” (you see, according to his ilk we all are “idiotarians”) and gave everything a right-wing slant.</p>
<p>I repeat: no progressive should use the term “fisking”.</p>
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		<title>By: Jax</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/01/wrong-said-fred/#comment-274094</link>
		<dc:creator>Jax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Sep 2006 03:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Excellent post Jane. Thanks for taking Mr. Hiatt down a peg or two. I cancelled my subscription to WaPo several months before the invasion of Iraq specifically because of Mr Hiatt’s boosterism for the Bush administration. (That and because of his  incredibly lame stable of columnists on the Op/Ed page. What a snore.) Haven’t looked back! Thanks for all you do!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post Jane. Thanks for taking Mr. Hiatt down a peg or two. I cancelled my subscription to WaPo several months before the invasion of Iraq specifically because of Mr Hiatt’s boosterism for the Bush administration. (That and because of his  incredibly lame stable of columnists on the Op/Ed page. What a snore.) Haven’t looked back! Thanks for all you do!</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/01/wrong-said-fred/#comment-274083</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Sep 2006 03:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Great Post, Jane!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Post, Jane!</p>
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		<title>By: 186k Per Second - &#187; Jane Hamsher and The Other Nutroots are in Panic Mode!</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/01/wrong-said-fred/#comment-274043</link>
		<dc:creator>186k Per Second - &#187; Jane Hamsher and The Other Nutroots are in Panic Mode!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Sep 2006 02:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[…] Firedoglake - Firedoglake weblog » Wrong Said Fred  Larry Johnson does an appropriate fisking of the shabby and shameless piece so I refer folks to him for the sordid details, but I will address the larger issue which also seems to consume the perpetually bile-choked right wing blogosphere. Richard Armitage may have been the first to expose Valerie Plame’s identity as a CIA agent, and it is apparent that he should no more be trusted with national secrets than my dog should be performing laser eye surgery. But to argue that somehow this leak — which played no part in the concerted Administration effort to bully, intimidate and punish Joe Wilson — should somehow excuse Scooter Libby and Karl’s Rove’s subsequent actions is a true marvel of wingnut logic. Incredibly it is somehow okay to rob the liquor store, shoot the owner, rape the cashier and spatter the walls with blood because someone else was caught shoplifting there the week before. It is the Sistine Chapel of bad faith editorials. […]&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[…] Firedoglake &#8211; Firedoglake weblog » Wrong Said Fred  Larry Johnson does an appropriate fisking of the shabby and shameless piece so I refer folks to him for the sordid details, but I will address the larger issue which also seems to consume the perpetually bile-choked right wing blogosphere. Richard Armitage may have been the first to expose Valerie Plame’s identity as a CIA agent, and it is apparent that he should no more be trusted with national secrets than my dog should be performing laser eye surgery. But to argue that somehow this leak — which played no part in the concerted Administration effort to bully, intimidate and punish Joe Wilson — should somehow excuse Scooter Libby and Karl’s Rove’s subsequent actions is a true marvel of wingnut logic. Incredibly it is somehow okay to rob the liquor store, shoot the owner, rape the cashier and spatter the walls with blood because someone else was caught shoplifting there the week before. It is the Sistine Chapel of bad faith editorials. […]</p>
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