Sometimes, you have to wonder about some people. One thing we neglected to cover in our examination last night of Danny Gerstein’s cri du coeur of a press release was his repeated insistence that Hadassah Lieberman is absolutely positively NOT a lobbyist for the pharmaceutical industry. NOT A LOBBYIST, do you understand me? NOT! A! LOBBYIST! And anyone who tells you differently is just a negativity spewing "Lamonster" (AAAAAAAAHH!!) who hates America!!
Not so fast, there, Scooter! says Salon’s Joe Conanson in his article "In Bed With Big Pharma".
(O)n Aug. 27, Lieberman spokesman Dan Gerstein released an angry memo in reaction to an offhand remark by Lamont campaign manager Tom Swan — who mentioned on a local TV show that his candidate’s wife, Annie, "is not a lobbyist" — and to subsequent postings on the topic by pro-Lamont bloggers. According to the Journal Inquirer, a Connecticut daily newspaper, Gerstein’s memo was headlined "Lamonster Whopper of the Week" and railed against Lamont’s "reality-challenged blog supporters" for repeating "the lie that Hadassah Lieberman is a lobbyist."
Gerstein went on to note that Mrs. Lieberman "has never been a registered lobbyist" according to records kept by the Senate clerk.
(snip)
Connecticut voters may never know what Mrs. Lieberman did or didn’t do for Pfizer, APCO, Hill & Knowlton or any of the other companies to which she has lent her skills and connections over the years. The Lieberman campaign repeatedly refused to disclose the names of her Hill & Knowlton clients to Kevin Rennie of the Hartford Courant. Voters should know what Joe Lieberman has done for the drug industry, however, and why his wife’s simultaneous financial and professional involvement in that industry is troubling.
The real question here is not whether Mrs. Lieberman was technically required to register as a lobbyist, but whether she was being paid by corporate clients whose special interests were being served by her husband.
Ahem. So, in other words, Hadassah wasn’t registered as a lobbyist because she was acting as an unregistered lobbyist? Isn’t that, like, a federal crime?
Among Hill & Knowlton’s clients when Mrs. Lieberman signed on with the firm last year was GlaxoSmithKline, the huge British-based drug company that makes vaccines along with many other drugs. As I noted in July, Sen. Lieberman introduced a bill in April 2005 (the month after his wife joined Hill & Knowlton) that would award billions of dollars in new "incentives" to companies like GlaxoSmithKline to persuade them to make more new vaccines. Under the legislation, known as Bioshield II, the cost to consumers and governments would be astronomical, but for Lieberman and his Republican cosponsors, Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, and Sen. Sam Brownback, R-Kan., the results would be worth every penny. Using the war on terror as their ideological backdrop, the pharma-friendly senators sought to win patent extensions on products that have nothing to do with preparations against terrorist attack or natural disaster.
As the New Haven Register, Lieberman’s hometown newspaper, noted in an editorial headlined "Lieberman Crafts Drug Company Perk," that bill is even more generous to the pharmaceutical industry than a similar proposal by the Senate Republican leadership.
See, but that’s what Sean Hannity and Ann Coulter and Karl Rove love about Holy Joe. He’s more Republican than Republicans!
What the editorial didn’t mention was that the Lieberman bill had also been written by Chuck Ludlam, a former pharmaceutical industry lobbyist who then worked on the Connecticut senator’s staff. From his office to his bedroom, Lieberman was totally surrounded by current and former employees of Big Pharma. Ludlam has since retired, and Mrs. Lieberman has quit her job too — but Lieberman still looks like a politician wholly owned by one of the nation’s most troublesome special interests. And while his campaign may not believe that the moralizing senator should he held accountable for those dubious relationships, the press and the public may think otherwise.
I see. Now, here is the awful truth about having a guy like Gerstein as your media relations whiz-kid. Joe Conanson would never have had to write that piece if MC Fresh Danny G hadn’t gone on for pages and pages about Hadassah NOT BEING A LOBBYIST. Perhaps Gerstein thinks he is leading with the chin, being bold by taking on the haters head-on. But it’s generally not a good idea to lead with the chin when you’re a fighter with a glass jaw.
Calling attention to these issues is the LAST thing the Lieberman campaign should be doing. But that’s what happens when you hand Danny the Idiot Boy the controls to your media team and turn him loose. He is a rubber crutch, a screen door on a submarine, the PR equivalent of a smallpox blanket.
I’m so glad they gave him the job. Let’s hope the campaign exercises the same good judgement it has applied to everything else and keeps him on.



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TRex and Olbermann and Rocky Anderson!
Gosh, where is everybody?
Go TRex!
Big pharma? nah!
unregistered lobbyist? nah
only in the reality-based world of the rabid little sheep aka “kids” would believe that. and if it is true, it doesn’t matter anywhere but in reality.
AK FBI sting update @ 2345 hrs fdl time – quarter before midnight pacific daylight time.
TRex! here we come!!
now wouldn’t that be juicy and delightful?
TRex @ 2
Reading your awesome essay, which would be difficult to skip through.
I gotta run to the store – anybody need anything?
TRex!!!
And, as fate would have it — the TRex Highway Reconstruction Project in Denver is FINISHED!!!!!
Yea!!!!
Now, if they will only start rebuilding the highway North of TRex, everything will be hunky dory . . .
OldCoastie @ 6
A Snickers, please!
What could she be charged with Felony, Misdemeanor, is this civil or could SHE DO TIME ? Inquiring minds want to know
Wonder if Hadassah is the source of Joe’s millions. I’d love to see those tax forms. (Not the amounts – the sources.) Or the companies’ expense sheets.
Just how do you record payments to lobbyists, anyway? Does FASB have a standard for it?
Anyone for some raktagino? I’ve got my Klingon buddy wearing a teddy by the replicator and stuff :)
OldCoastie, some kleenex. You know, for Joe.
Kurt @ 10
Dude, that’s getting way too slash for me.
Kind of like Gary Hart redux . . . “Go ahead, follow me around, and write up what you see.”
OK, Dan, if that’s what you want . . .
[EPU’d comment for Rayne downstairs. Actually, for anyone else, too.]
TRex- thanks! Nice piece, finding this info and drawing attention our to it. That article kinda makes it impossible NOT to connect the dots, no? I surely hope that the CT press picks up on this… Paul Bass, are you reading??
Go Rex! Um, if you ask me this is worthy of spotlighting to all the relevant CT news organizations. Put this baby to work where it counts.
You know this sort of thing ought to have traction here in CT. Tonight they did a piece on Nancy Johnson and Chris Murphy on WTNH news and once again, it appears that Nancy Johnson’s new commercial about her Medicare co-sponsored program was paid for by the Chamber of Commerce’s pharmaceutical industry.
So that’s two congressional candidates here, aside from Joe, that have been highlighted as being bought and paid for by the big pharmas.
TRex @ 12
Hmm so maybe I shouldn’t mention that fanfic scene from LotR involving Legolas and Boromir. Oops, too late! :)
is this kinda like the Iraq war wasn’t going to act as a registered war, so no declaration was required?
SharonW @ 15
You’re making a proud papa smile. :-)
freep this mugger . . .
http://www.capitalnews.org/
http://www.courant.com/news/lo…..693.column
I’m citing a nice older column by Paul Bass, which I found in looking for his email addy. BTW, that is:
p.bass@newhavenindependent.org
~Paul Bass edits the New Haven Independent (www.newhavenindependent.org)~
Column snippets-
~~I had forgotten how he played the leading role in 1993 to thwart Democrats who tried to close loopholes allowing companies to cook the books on millions of dollars of stock options. Thus began the regulatory abandonment that spawned Enron and its sibling rip-offs.~~
~~How many Connecticut Democrats remember that their senator was one of only two Democrats who voted with Republicans in 1995 to kill a lobbyist-gift ban?~~
So like no experienced Democrat campaign folks will work for JoMo now, right? So all he can get is this schmuck, Dangerstein.
Mark, you should know that Spotlight is an incredibly amazing tool. It’s easy and fast and has all the elements of a democractic toy! A million thank yous for all your hard work.
Imagine if lobbyists were not allowed to provide anything to legislators but… arguments.
TRex —
I don’t know if this is a good idea, but what the hell . . .
Lee Siegel, the TNR blogofascism dominatrix has been shit canned for, um . . . anonymously posting missives in praise of hisself in his own blog . . .
so, um, TRex — would you like to introduce this lost soul to hit of pure, unadulterated, FDL snark?
There’s no telling how he would react, having lost his grip on the darkside reality (not to mention his paycheck) — but what the hell.
The guy has hit bottom, and what’s a little bounce to a wretch in his condition?
snickers (check), kleenex (check)…. I think I got everything. TRex – I brought you some red vines, but you can have some granny smith apple of you prefer.
and it’s dangerstain!
How can anyone look at the hell that is Iraq and truly believe that we should “stay the course.” The misery and the death are everywhere at evey moment. If this were your home, would you give a rat’s ass about George W. Bush’s obsessions? If someone doesn’t stand up and come out against this criminality in no uncertain terms in 2008, we should all be filled with shame. Another generation of angered and wounded psyches has been born.
meta @ 22
Thanks! I have a bunch of nifty little things I plan to add over time, but right now I’m trying to get it picked up by other blogs. C&L and intoxination.net went live with it this week and taylormarsh.com the week before. There are a few more in the queue…
ps: I updated the activity page. Its kind of fun to take a look at:
Ed*ard Teller
I asked a question last night and if you answered, I missed it. Does U.S. Sen. Ted “TRUCKS ‘N TOOBZ” Stevens (R-Bridge to Nowhere), as well as his son, the Alaska state legislator, whose office was recently raided by the FBI, have ties to this petroleum company called (I think) Veso?
If Hadassah was an unregistered lobbyist, and Joe was servicing her big pharma clients out of the goodness of heart, it kinda begs the question –
Which one was the Pimp, and which one was the ‘Ho?
http://www.newhavenindependent…..ecords.php
~~Hometown Activists Push Again To Un-Democrat Lieberman~~
I swear that the first time I ever saw the word/ phrase Un-Democrat Lieberman was when I typed it here at FDL. A VG can dream, right?
Ah, my good TRex, but you only scratch the surface. For when you write of Hill Knowlton you must stare down a very deep dark well. H&K is a public relations firm. Sounds all cheery and bright. But as PR firms go, when you mention H&K….you must think along the lines of Rendon. H&K doesn’t just promote a new line of soap…oh no.
Folks, recall Desert Storm? Recall the ramp up? The horrific stories of babies and incubators? The Congressional testimony? The outrage from the WH? And then…later, the news that it was all a facade. A lie. Who spun that up? The lads from HK.
A few years back, smoking was under heavy fire. In California, a group organized: Californians For Statewide Smoking Restrictions. It was all a sham. For the group was organized by HK; funded entirely by the tobacco lobby.
The above are the examples of the deep well you stare into when you look at HK. There’s some mighty big reasons LiarMan won’t go into ANY details of his wife’s work at HK. It’s a dirty dirty cesspool. Be aware.
Ghostman
neurophius @ 29
sorry, neurophius, thought that was coming through the mix. Both Ted and Ben Stevens have ties to Veco and Veco $.
Going by what the press secretary said:
I think another word for “unity” in the Lieberman camp is “Republicans – You can’t beat ‘em, so you might as well join ‘em”
And again he reminds strongly of Saruman.
they may still be ahead in the polls, but with:
how in the world can they win?
Ghostman @ 31
You know, I just read something, somewhere that the Pentagon is dropping $20 million for PR to keep the American public behind (
in terms of knowledge)the war. Is this maybe the firm that got that gift?Ghostman @ 31
Well, HK looks like a good topic for Matt O., no? Not exactly war profiteering, but close enough.
Oh, what a slippery slope they’re chosing. By the same logic that holds Joe Wilson responsible for outing his own wife, since he shoulda known better than to draw attention to himself by writing a revealing op-ed unfavorable to the administration, why shouldn’t Hadassah be held responsible for exposing her husband to the appearance of conflict of interest when she signed on with a company which her husband is responsible for regulating? The same goes for many others, as I’m sure the same is true for many in Congress and the administration. I’m so sick of this blame the victim crap where the Wilson’s are concerned! But if they really want to get into this husband/wife shit, I think the wingers should be told, “Let’s get it on!”
Ghostman – it certainly doesn’t sound like H&K limit themselves to dirty tricks overseas… hope Ned’s got a close eye on his own 6…
I remembered a little wrong
Copyright 2006 AFX News Limited
AFX International Focus
September 1, 2006 Friday 3:44 AM GMT
LENGTH: 330 words
HEADLINE: Pentagon moves toward monitoring media
Dangerstein is sorta the loose nuke of the Lieberman campaign.
1. uptownchick: I smell Rendon on your question.
2. valleygirl: indeed, indeed. And, remind Matt O to sniff around the HK China account. We recall Tiannamen? China hired HK to do a little “sweeting up” for them after they murdered so many those bad bad days.
Ghostman
Thanks Ed*ard. I’d like to hear more about that sometime. Got any links?
I would imagine that HK dislikes sunshine…
bright, bright, sunny-sunny… not so good if you’re HK…
When I found out that Lieberman’s wife worked for Hill & Knowlton, the first thing I checked was if she was registered as a lobbyist for them. The curious thing was that she had registered as a lobbyist several years ago (from the filing, it looked as if she were an independent–no firm was listed, as I recall), but the registration was withdrawn shortly after it was filed.
The bigger question, of course, is what she is doing for Hill & Knowlton (one of the bigger Repug PR shops in town). If she’s acting informally as a lobbyist, even if she’s lobbying her husband, and is not registered, that’s a big no-no.
Ghostman @ 41
Is HK the PR company that did the quick cleaning up of Saudi Arabia’s image after 9/11?
Being in the “drug” game, perhaps HK prefers “Orange Sunshine”? Or am I showing my age?
astralplame @ 34
Astralplame, then you should get a kick out of this.
montag – any idea of how big a no-no it is?
Oilfieldguy @ 40
He’s a bomb in a china shop.
HopeSAT on Head On Radio (my new choice for liberal radio since AAR dumped Mike Malloy) with Bob Kincaid right now (rebroadcast from this afternoon):
http://headonradionetwork.com/listen-live/
Pick your stream and listen…or not.
PS..i do a FDL shout-out
““Supporters of the Nedster may be focused on political gamesmanship and party politics…”
“The Nedster”? So what does that make his opponent–”The Joester?” or “The Lie-ster”? or just “The Loser”?
uptownchick: I’ll have to check around. I’m unclear off the top of my head.
coastie: check 6 is right. You know….I think LiarMan got caught flat-footed in that primary. But his wife has the connects to some very clever PR/manipulation folk. Dan Gerstein may just be a shell…a cut-out. Something to hold the spotlight. Hope I’m not getting too tin-hat for folks.
Ghostman
In googling for Hadassah Lieberman I found this old pre-primary article. Interesting quote, no? Ego-maniacs unite?
http://washingtontimes.com/nat…..-7924r.htm
~~”The future of our party, state and country is in our hands,” his wife, Hadassah Lieberman, went so far as to tell voters this week.
If fact, she is now appealing, in writing, to registered Republicans. She says while it is too late to change party affiliation and vote as Democrats next Tuesday, Republicans can still be of assistance by contacting their left-leaning friends and urging them to the polls. ~~
unbelievable but typical.
Ghostman – I think Ned just needs to be sure he’s prepared – there’s nothing nice about these people and they are planning on winning… if Ned pulls ahead in the polls, that would be when the big “reveal” will come… seems to me to get ahead of all this, a great big spotlight on HK might be in order…
umm…radio at commercial right now but I’m next..
ck @ 30:
Hadassah is the pimp, Joe is the ho. Do you notice how the Lieberman campaign acts crazy whenever Hadassah’s name is mentioned? I think it is because Hadassah is really the power behind Joe’s campaign. And Hadassah wants to write her own rules of engagement. No need to register as a lobbyist, that way you have deniability. A tight lid on her financal affairs, because the payments from big pharma are nobodys business. I think it would be wise to start attacking her directly. Finding a DA who would be willing to charge her with illegal lobbying would be a good start.
Ghostman- I don’t know when Matt O.’s next post will be. But perhaps you should email Jane with the info you have, so that she can pass it on to Matt. Sounds like you are onto an important story.
Ghostman @ 52
I couldn’t find anything, but I thought I read it somewhere. While nexising HK, however, I found out they also worked for BCCI.
UH oh..Ok…I’m so wrong…I’m after this next caller, Guy, another radio talk host. Sorry. I jumped the gun. But this is good radio…I’m next, I swear.
Aloha Hope…
What channel Hope… Is it live online?
Hi Nate- where are you and how are you?
hang on, Nate – she’s getting on the radio (see upthread)
OilFieldGuy – that post was awesome.
The Saruman image keeps sticking with me, more from the book than the movie – the movie doesn’t have time to go into all of the conversations between Gandalf and Saruman, nor does it address as much how Sauron was controlling information, so that folks who were supposed to be good guys were undermined by despair or power-hunger.
Naters!!
HopeSpringsATurtle @ 51
I remember the weeping woman testifying before congress, telling the tale of soldiers coming into the hospital and removing the babies from the incubators and stealing the incubators. Later, it was discovered that focus groups were used to determine the “hot button” and premature baby victims were selected. The weeping woman was found to be the daughter of a sheik, and not some lowly hospital nurse. They were unable to reach her for further comment. I was not aware HK was the agency that developed this tactic.
I blog whored you Nate in the chat room at Kincaids place…
OFG – that is SHAMEFUL!
HopeSpringsATurtle @ 69
No, that makes you a pimp.
1. uptown chick: ah, BCCI!!!!! You go girl! On target. Oh, on Saudi/911: just a hunch, but I would guess Carlyle was all over that one.
2. Coastie: yep….just trying to send up a flare. We got a noise out on the wire!
3, But Coastie: I’m unclear on how/which way Mr. Lamont should proceed; if at all. I just haven’t thought it all the way thru.
4. valleygirl: oh shoot. I never email anyone…chuckle. I imagine word will trickle back to to the good Ms. Hamsher!
Ghostman
Logging in now Hope. Hey did you hear the shoutout Keith O gave to us at C&L today?
Oilfieldguy @ 68
There was media follow-up on that OFG…she admitted she was lying.
I got my ears on, Hopey. Remember, deep breaths. Talk slower than you feel like you should. Adrenaline makes you talk too fast and think you’re talking at a normal speed.
OldCoastie @ 70
Yeah, but it was fun.
I’m listening, HopeSAT – are you uncloseting your identity?
OMG no…is it on youtube? did you get it?…Score! nate please come stay with us on your ‘world tour’..we would love to have you.
Oilfieldguy @ 71
Exactly… I’m the whore!
ValleyGirl – Still in Hawaii. As of today I’m officially on my one month countdown. I fly out to Sacramento on Oct 1st. I’ll be posting a long post tomorrow begging for some help getting there. :)
Again… I’m the whore! :)
Listening now Hope
and oilfieldguy has very accurately filled in some background on the incubator episode. He’s on target.
Ghostman
HopeSAT,
Thanks, I missed that. I was probably feeding America’s addiction that day.
Just my first name Op…Michelle…I’ve given it here before…Little Dog knows…we met in real life..
I’m on next…I swear…
HopeSpringsATurtle @ 73
Too late, though, that had already swayed votes in the Senate for Gulf War I.
Ghostman
doesn’t seem to me that Ned needs to do anything yet… let us get it to the media… it’s not a bad story – Hadassah and the mysterious, unusual, shameful PR firm, HK with a big ol’ shiny light on HK’s antics… then when it pops, it’s just par for the course…
Blah blah blah, BRING US THE TURTLE LADY!! WE WANT TO HEAR OUR HOPEY!!
Ghostman @ 71
The word may well trickle back to JH, but I think it is *unfair* ;) to depend on her always being omniscient. Also, my impression is that Matt O. has many job demands, and does not always read FDL threads.
Ghostman:
HK was also helping Enron.
and there was a connection to the Lays
OldCoastie @ 48
I think the rules are pretty clear–someone acting in the capacity of lobbyist is considered a lobbyist and must register, especially if you’re acting on behalf of a paid client (there might be some exception for members of public interest non-profits that don’t have hired lobbyists of their own).
Most of what you need to know is here.
Note particularly the “who must register” section. If Gerstein said that Lieberman’s wife has never registered as a lobbyist, that does not necessarily mean that she’s never done any lobbying. The firm for which she works must file as the registrant, rather than the individual doing the lobbying. If that’s what Gerstein said, he’s engaging in some rhetorical sleight-of-hand, methinks.
Cheers.
WHOOOOOOOOO
HOOOOOOOOOOO!!
I can hear her!
HopeSpringsATurtle @ 78
Hope, I got your email. I will definitely take you up on that come Nov 8th. But from Oct 1st until election day my mission is to kick John Doolittle’s ass out of the halls of Congress and replace him with Lt. Col. Charlie Brown
HOPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I hear you babe!
Op…so true…isn’t that the point?
Also Bob Kincaid is in West Virginia…curious that Christy doesn’t mention him
Oh TRex, this YouTube lifted my spirits. God but I wish I could sing like Annie!!!
I’ll repay the favor – not the best video, but certainly the next best artist covering the topic of lies: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctoL9t50Kxo
In re: H&K — funny this should come up.
EZWriter at DKos posted Wed 30-AUG evening about WaPo’s story to be published Thu 31-AUG on the DoD’s 20M “communications analysis and management” contract out for bids. I mentioned that this smelled like Rendon/Lincoln/SYColeman…and someone else asked about H&K, weren’t they in that line of work, too…
And then the “Toobz” Stevens hold on that bipartisan bill to create a database of all federal grants and contracts searchable by the public…
Sure would be something if these were connected. Does H&K have any current contracts with DoD, for instance? Did they at any time while Hadassah might have been working for them?
Right there in the BioShield II is the reason why Lieberman would have been happy to become SecDef…because Rummy would no longer have the benefit of his office to aid his holdings in competing Gilead Science…
Gah. Corporatist crooks, all of them. I swear we could start a new drinking game because of them. Every time one of them says, “Fascist!”, shout back, “Projection!” and take a shot and a beer. Have another shot if Rummy calls you “morally and intellectually confused” and another beer if they utter the word “Nazi.”
Better yet, buy a share of stock in a blue company with every shot you take.
“People are dumb as dirt!” – HopeSat
We’re not powerless… Motivate them baby!
MOTIVATE!
FIRE UP!
ENRAGE!
“Joe Critter Redneck”
GET MAD!
GET INVOLVED!
GET ACTIVE!
GET F***ING BUSY WORKING FOR CHANGE!
Oh op99: (OT) have you seen this? Runway
(some of the blogads on that link are perhaps nsfw)
HOPE… You inspire us ALL!
SO INSPIRE THEM!
finally- Hope!
Blogger takes down HK. Boy! A mouse crawling up an elephants leg with rape on his mind. Just how horny are we?
“We are not our words… Or even our actions…
WE ARE WHAT WE FIGHT FOR!”
concern trolls!!!! (Hope)
I hear ya Nate, and pretty soon, the people responsible for all this destruction will here from all of us. Remind all republicans to vote on November 8.
Power to the TOOBZ!
We ALL LOVE YOU HOPE!
firedoglake-active community- yeah…
HopeSAT, oh, great, now the panhandlers are gonna overrun the place. Sheesh, thanks a lot.
Go guy. What a pitiful little puke. I gagged when Gore picked him but had no idea how really gross he was. Instead of trying to distance himself from the disgraced (in the eyes of wingnuts) Clinton, Gore should have accepted the big guys’ help in the appropriate markets and picked a real Dem running mate.
Can you guys tell it’s me?
Everyone IS Radio thanks to the internet!
op99 @ 107
lol
Not to question anyone’s love or knowledge of Tolkien and LoTR, but I’m pretty sure you want to analogize to Grima Wormtongue, the Saruman’s spy/lacky, rather than Saruman, the wizard himself.
Just sayin.
We KNOW it’s you Hope! INSPIRE US!
HopeSpringsATurtle @ 108
yeah, I kinda got a clue when you mentioned FDL!!
Shucks son…
Evil Parallel Universe @ 112
I see your point, though I would also say that from Sen. Lieberman’s point of view, he IS an all powerful wizard . . .
TALK HARD baby! Talk Hard!
And we are LIBERAL WARRIORS!
I’m sticking with Wormtongue – Joe is a low man in the repug power structure.
corrupt and evil!
[dangerstein]
Thanks, TRex.
Sometimes I wonder if Danny’s a Lamont plant, he’s so good for our side!
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Had Enough?
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Wow, I think this is a great note to go to bed on.
You guys rule.
Thanks for coming.
Both Grima and Sauruman were double agents. Sauruman, held a position of authority supposedly on the side of good, but was corrupted. Grima was a lowly servant. Saurilooserman is closer to one than the other. I know of what I speak.
HOPE RULES!
Yayyyyyyy, Hopey, brava!
g’nite, TRex – excellent, excellent post tonight… sweet dreams!
You give him HOPE baby! You give him HOPE!
Good Job, Hopie!
Hope you have a great radio voice!!!!
woo hoo…Then Sarge gives me a shout out…
And HK comes back home to Papa too
The National Journal
October 24, 1992
neurophius @ 9:25 pm (#29) – Re: The Toobz, here’s what TPM had to say today:
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.c…..009616.php
The article has a number of links, which I suspect will slake your lust for Alaskan political scandal for the evening.
I missed Hopie on the radio.
1. LADY LiarMan may be limited to pharma shenanigans as alluded to in the TRex article. But HK is indeed a dark well. But HK will NOT enjoy a spotlight…not at this point in our political times.
2. Coastie….yep, media just might want to chew on these bones of HK!
3. uptown chick: you’re on fire! Hmmm….there’s only one gal who might dig as well, or perhaps better than good uptown. Can you say…Taylor Marsh? That lady leaves no stone unturned!
4. Perhaps the Lamont posture is just a sustained plea for FULL DISCLOSURE of all Liar’s ties to HK. That might be enough.
Ghostman
Thanks for listening guys…I really do believe that THIS is how we are gonna change things.
Nate dude, you know how I feel about you. You rock.
OFG… SHE ROCKED!
kirk murphy @
18
… and like not registering the warrants with FISC for the warrantless wiretapping?
UptownNYChick @ 131
oooo! great catch, Uptown!
Hope – awesome job on the radio!
Hope- you were fab!
Nuts, I feel so left out, laptop not cooperating with Head-On radio. Wish I could listen in on our HopeSAT!
Question for those of you poking around in H&K — what’s this bit with Tom Lantos back in the early ’90’s? What’s the relationship with JINSA? Is there a relationship with AIPAC? I’m not certain that this is all about Pharma, you know?
I have a huge ear to ear grin Hope. I saw that you were checking comments while chatting so I was throwing you HUGE positive vibes.
:) And I hope you know how I feel about you as well. In fact, going to type you an email now.
Nate @ 136
I have no doubts.
Hey ghostman, have you emailed JH yet?
OFG
I’ve been doing research on liberal radio. If you wanna listen, go to this linky, they have archives of Bob Kincaids show
http://www.whiterosesociety.org/
Valley Girl @ 143
Ghostman sez he doesn’t do email…
Thanks, HopeSAT.
Whooosh…my ego is all inflated…i gotta take a cold shower and go to bed…alone again. Dr. Turtle comes home Sunday. Thanks God.
Love you guys, and I never say that casually, I’m old school.
Nighters.
Kurt @ 96
Interesting, thank you. (I’m afraid of what cookies may have landed up in my toobz, though.) I’m predicting Michael Knight for all the marbles.
Oh, and there’s no such thing as OT on Late Nite, right, guys?
Hey all, don’t forget to hit F5 instead of the refresh comments button from time to time. Rayne sprung.
astralplame @ 116
I think you have it right. Lieberman is Saruman (with Gollum’s face and ears) – he is the character who toys with the dark forces, foolishly believing he can control them.
Gerstein is Grima….
good night, Hope – you did us proud!
Ghostman: i cannot find a direct link from HK to DoD, but a lot of news releases for military equipment comes up with a contact for press from an HK representative. So there is some tie, will try different searches tomorrow.
ok – turning into a pumpkin here -
good night all, and very sweet dreams to you -
UptownNYChick @
153
Until she quit, I think the Hill & Knowlton presence in the Pentagon was covered by Victoria Clarke (she went from H&K to the DoD press office when Bush came to power). No doubt she helped arrange for some PR contracts while in her capacity as DoD public affairs flack.
Rayne @ 92
Someone who presided over Abu Ghraib and fired no one as a result has no standing to call anyone else “morally confused.”
(I’ve been thinking that ever since I heard his asinine comments and I’ve just been looking for someplace to say it.)
good night, Astral…sleep tight!
montag @ 153
I would like to hear Hadassah Lieberman publicly declare that she has never sought to influence her husband’s legislative behavior in a way that would favor her employers.
HopeSAT, I’ve saved the links and will try to catch your appearance later, it sounds great from all reports. Right now I’m way overdue for bed; got a big day tomorrow. It’s the big volunteer kickoff for the fall campaigns here in Northern Virginia, and afterwards my congressman is coming to canvass with us in my precinct! (Eep!) So I should really get some sleep…
Good night, and good luck!
Craig Fuller…..craig baby!!!!!!! That would be also be “Incubator Craig”…he was all over the incubator lies.
Lantos????? Ahhhhh…..might be the same Lantos who headed the Congressional committee which held hearings on…….incubators! The panel found the story to be true. Heh, heh. Check out their old pet: Congressional Human Rights Foundation. Ummmm….for SOME reason, they got like $50,000 grand from some royal family….begins with a K….chuckle.
Don’t know if this is online, but….seattle post intelligencer, 01/12/92 might have some juicy tidbits.
Folks, the Ghost is tired, and must retire. Good night out there.
Santa Ghostman
HopeSpringsATurtle @ 74
Hadassah Lieberman, a lobbyist? Surely you jest. She’s Hadassah Lieberman, Assistant Clerk-Typist.
Seriously, if she’s not a registered lobbyist, and she’s not an unregistered lobbyist (since that would be illegal) what does Hadassah do all day at her desk? shovel money for RGJoe into her handbag?
with this bunch, it’s not even 6 degrees of separation, it’s more like 2 degrees or 1 degree…
positively incestuous…
night, Ghostman… boy, thank you for the education tonight… excellent!
OFG –
Great LotR snark!
One PAC to rule them all,
One PAC to find them,
One PAC to bring them all
and in the darkness bind them. . . .
Another F5 alert- OldCoastie, it is truly baffling how some comments end up in mod. (in***t?
Peterr @ 164
I like that!
Ghostman @ 161
One of the things I would recommend for all those interested in some detail about H&K’s influence on political affairs in 1990 is John R. (Rick) MacArthur’s Second Front. The book is now long out of print, and is about thirteen years old, so the only sources would be the local library, inter-library loan, or second-hand book sources. Well worth reading, though. Goes into some detail about the dirty dealing H&K did in influencing the vote to authorize force that led to the Gulf War. Also reminds us all about the copious crocodile tears shed by Bush the Elder in his cheerleading for that war–often by using propaganda supplied by H&K.
I haven’t heard from any of the characters in my little nonsensical spoof. I just hope I haven’t offended any of them.
Agh. We are slipping. Conason actually started this volley back in July about Joe, Hadassah and H&K, as noted in truthdig:
Counsel??? what the f*ck does that mean?
Isn’t that lobbying?
For the HK box: Tori Clarke, asst. sec. defense for press affairs, former HK head of WashDC office. Clarke credited with creaing the embedding system for reporters in Iraq & Afghanistan.
Source: Weapons of Mass Deception, Sheldon Rampton & John Stauber, p. 184. They also have the Kuwaiti story, and at least a bit on the Saudi post-911, with footnotes. Off to catch The Conformist (TCM).
F5- looks like I got to montag in time! Sometimes I wish that WP didn’t have that “refresh comments” button, so F5 was the norm… sigh.
prostratedragon- BTW, some of your earlier comments were caught in SPAM under the new WP regime! Hope this is no longer a problem…
I agree with someone’s suggestion above that Hadassah Lierman’s employment should become a topic of more in-depth discussion in this campaign. It is not necessary to hurl accusations, merely to raise relevant questions and insist relentlessly at every opportunity that they be answered. This would undoubtedly not only result in the questions being unanswered, which fact could then be highlighted for the public’s education, but also provoke all manner of bizarre, out-of-control responses from Dangerstein or whatever his name is, which would then become issues in themselves. Fertile ground to cultivate.
Another F5 alert- Rayne sprung again. Geez…
Oilfieldguy @ 170
I wouldn’t worry if I were you – they’re probably laughing too hard to type. Especially “TRex, a vaguely domesticated carnivore whose diet consisted exclusively of racist wingnuts . . .”
OT: New Plame article up at nyt.com. The gist of it is: People are asking why Fitzgerald bothered investigating Libby and Rove if he already knew that Armitage was the initial leaker. The article neglects to mention that the FBI already thought Libby and Rove were lying to them by the time Fitz was brought on board. You know, the narrative really isn’t that hard to follow here. Most “Law & Order” episodes are more complicated.
hmm… Ghostman and his Seattle Post Intelligencer for 1/12/92… not online… just checking general news for a couple weeks on either side of that date… lots of articles about companies suspected of supplying Saddam.. but I don’t know WHAT he might be referring to…
Ghostman @
134
G’man, you are so on this. This is an important strategy and an important tactic. There needs to be push-ahead on HK — because they will come at NED, and need to be attached to Hadassah in voters’ minds before they do.
neurophius,
one cannot serve two masters. Who is Lieberman beholden to, the people or his wifes–thereby his own–paymasters. You are right, the people should know these things.
Rayne- are you still reading? I want to figure out why your recent comments are ending in moderation. VG
Valley Girl @
176
VG – You should know that no one can stop the Rayne . . .
Long as I remember the Rayne been comin’ down.
Clouds of myst’ry pourin’ confusion on the ground.
Good men through the ages, tryin’ to find the sun;
And I wonder, still I wonder,
who’ll stop the Rayne. . .
(apologies to CCR)
Redshift @
156
Thanks for putting such good words to the thoughts I had at hearing it too.
Are y’all staying dry?
Call me the RayneMaker right now. Bec. I don’t understand why those last comments ended up in mod. And, if I weren’t still up and reading….
Are y’all staying dry?
Depends
I can’t stop myself now, but this is interesting. Searching for HK and voting machines I found an article in the St. petersburg Times that included this:
they also ran the same “education program,” in Harris County Texas
Time for bed, everyone . . . G’night!
VG,
I don’t know or understand what you moderaters do, but thanks for being so dilligent at this site.
Oilfieldguy @ 186
707
OFG- mods do all kinds of different things- getting rid of spam, closing unclosed tags, and checking for comments that have been put automatically “in moderation”. The most frustrating thing for me, bec. I have extrasuperduper powers to at least *look* at the mod/spam filter is to try to figure out why comments end up “moderation” with no apparent reason. So, this “figuring out” is not actually a job anyone asked me to do, as part of being a moderator, but I try to do my best on that account to make sure that comments are posted in a timely way, for the best of all sanity in the long run.
VG – you are doing an excellent job! hang in there and try not to let yourself get to feeling harried… all right, I’ve been out poking around and can’t find anything too unique for Ghostman’s 1/12/92 dates… anybody in the Pacific NW who can stop by the library and take a look at the Seattle Post Intelligencer for that date?
in the meantime, bong-bong-bong… bedtime! (oh and the puppies had their bathes today, so should they snuggle, they will smell Extra Nice!)
VG, I’m stoggered, no idea why my comments would be WP’d.
Maybe WP doesn’t like that four-letter word N*zi…was that the only comment that WP’d out of site, or did other ones hide sans the same word?
UptownNYChick — hey, going to throw you a wrinkle since you brought it up. When I was poking around about DeLay-Abramoff over a year ago, trying to find links to other parts of the VRWC, I was digging into reports related to Harris County Repug Party.
Only there were very few to no reports — in spite of the fact their website showed recent fundraising event promotion info. I never did find much on contributions to the local Repug Party, which certainly didn’t sit well with me.
If memory serves, Austin and Round Rock are in Harris County; they may be more blue than the rest of TX, but they aren’t little towns, should be a bunch of members and donors. Maybe I’m wrong and gerrymandering excludes them, but still, a lack of financials is a bit weird.
TeddySanFran @ 184
*blush*
Yeah, it wasn’t bad this far north. It rained pretty hard earlier, but not as hard as the non-hurricane rain here in June, and it’s stopped already.
(And now a really am going to bed!)
Remarkable, VG. I can barely keep up with the visible comments. You do that, plus work to spring trapped comments, plus dig around for pertinent links.
oldcoastie- I have access to Nexis Lexis, but I will have to logon to a different *dialup connection*- could you give me a key word or too?
Valley Girl @
196
I nexised for seattle post-Intelligencer, Hill & knowlton and limited it to Jan. 92 and didn’t come up with anything. the Seattle PI is not on the nexis system it seems.
Rayne @ 193
Umm, Harris County is the Houston area. Round Rock is in Williamson County, and Austin is in Travis County.
Cheers.
VG:
Ghostman @ 161
I don’t know VG if Nexis Lexis will help… as you can see, ghostman didn’t leave much of a clue…
Rayne- you might be right about the N*zi word. If you are still reading, could you post a comment with N*zi spelled w/o * to see if it goes through or gets trapped in mod? That would be so helpful!!!!
I suspect it’s going to take a person going and looking at the microfiche… might have something to do with Hill and Knowlton (sp?), but it could be any of those characters he mentioned..
BINGO!!! From CBS
Safer: Hill & Knowlton is by far the biggest, most influential PR firm in Washington. They represent everything from Nintendo to Toyota cars, and for a time, Adnan Kashoggi and BCCI, but countries with a PR problem are their specialty. Their clients include Indonesia, Turkey and China. Their critics accuse them of being an unelected shadow government, able to influence, if not make, policy. Access is everything. Craig Fuller, who until last week was president of Hill & Knowlton, was George Bush’s chief of staff when he was vice president.
Craig Fuller: I was involved in President Bush’s campaign. I’ve also been involved in President Reagan’s campaign, and i–this was like a campaign in every sense of the word.
Sorry OT: but in case it hasn’t been said. I couldn’t resist a late night shout out.
Keith rocked Rumsfeld again tonight oh and um…the book is now number 7 on Amazon.
I am just saying…
oh, Uptown! you are GOOD! is this Bush 1 or junior?
looking at the news of ‘92, all the names and the news was the same… very strange feeling…
(oops, sorry – read again – Bush 1!)
OldCoastie @ 204
It’s Bush I.
citiing: SHOW: 60 MINUTES (7:00 PM ET)
January 19, 1992, Sunday
OldCoastie @ 204
Yup. Lots of `em. How many remember that William Kristol was Dan Quayle’s chief of staff?
Copyright 1992 Seattle Post-Intelligencer
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER
January 12, 1992, Sunday , FINAL
SECTION: P-I FOCUS LENGTH: MEDIUM: Pg. D1
LENGTH: 871 words
HEADLINE: REMEMBER NAYIRAH, WITNESS FOR KUWAIT?
BYLINE: John R. MacArthur
BODY: In his urgent arguments during the fall and winter of 1990 for military action against Saddam Hussein, President Bush made much of the Iraqi leader’s cruelty toward the Kuwaiti people.
Bush’s allegations of atrocities by Iraqi forces generally went unchallenged.
Hussein’s violent disposal of dissident Iraqis was a matter of record, so few politicians, journalists or human-rights investigators were prepared to question the president’s campaign to paint his opponent as Adolf Hitler reborn.
Some claims were no doubt true, but the most sensational one – that Iraqi soldiers removed hundreds of Kuwaiti babies from incubators and left them to die on hospital floors – was shown to be almost certainly false by an ABC reporter, John Martin, in March 1991, after the liberation of Kuwait.
Martin interviewed hospital doctors who stayed in Kuwait throughout the occupation.
But before the war the incubator story seriously distorted the American debate about whether to support military action.
Amnesty International believed the tale and its ill-considered validation of the charges likely influenced the seven senators who cited the story in speeches backing the Jan. 12 resolution authorizing war. Because the resolution passed the Senate by only six votes, the question of how the incubator story escaped scrutiny at the time is all the more important. (Amnesty International later retracted its support of the story.)
A little reportorial investigation would have done a great service to the democratic process.
Americans would have been interested to know the identity of “Nayirah,” the 15-year-old Kuwaiti girl who shocked the Congressional Human Rights Caucus on Oct. 10, 1990, when she tearfully asserted that she had watched 15 infants being taken from incubators in Al-Adan Hospital in Kuwait City by Iraqi soldiers who “left the babies on the cold floor to die.”
The chairmen of the congressional group, Tom Lantos, a California Democrat, and John Edward Porter, an Illinois Republican, explained that Nayirah’s identity would be kept secret to protect her family from reprisals in occupied Kuwait.
There was a better reason to protect her from exposure: Nayirah, her real name, is the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador to the United States, Saud Nasir al-Sabah.
Such a pertinent fact might have led to impertinent demands for proof of Nayirah’s whereabouts in August and September of 1990, when she said she witnessed the atrocities, as well as corroboration of her charges. The Kuwaiti Embassy has rebuffed my efforts to interview Nayirah.
Today we are left to ask why Lantos and Porter allowed such glaring omissions. What made Nayirah so believable that no one on the caucus staff bothered to check out her story?
One explanation might lie in how Nayirah came to the congressmen’s attention. Both congressmen are close to Hill and Knowlton, the public-relations firm hired by Citizens for a Free Kuwait, the Kuwaiti-financed group that lobbied Congress for military intervention. A Hill and Knowlton vice president, Gary Hymel, helped organize the Congressional Human Rights Caucus hearing in meetings with Lantos and Porter and the chairman of Citizens for a Free Kuwait, Hassan al-Ebraheem. Hymel presented the witnesses, including Nayirah. (He later told me he knew who she was at the time.)
Until he started working on the Kuwait account, Hymel was best known to the caucus for defending the human-rights record of Turkey, a Hill and Knowlton client criticized for jailing people without due process and torturing and killing them.
He is also one of the firm’s lobbyists for the Indonesian government, which has killed at least 100,000 inhabitants of East Timor since 1975.
Lantos’ spokesman says Hill and Knowlton’s client list doesn’t concern the congressman, who accepted a $500 contribution from the firm’s political action committee in 1988.
In fact, Lantos and Porter allowed the Congressional Human Rights Foundation, a group they founded in 1985, to be housed in Hill and Knowlton’s Washington headquarters.
The firm provides a contribution to the foundation in the form of a $3,000 annual rent reduction, and the Hill and Knowlton switchboard delivers messages to the foundation’s executive director, David Phillips.
Hill and Knowlton’s client, Citizens for a Free Kuwait, donated $50,000 to the foundation, sometime after Iraq’s invasion of Kuwait on Aug. 2, 1990. (The foundation’s main supporter is the U.S. government-financed National Endowment for Democracy.)
Since the gulf war, Hill and Knowlton’s collaboration with the Lantos-Porter human-rights enterprise has been strengthened by the naming of the firm’s vice chairman, Frank Mankiewicz, to the foundation’s board in October 1991.
Congress and the news media deserve censure for their lack of skepticism about the incubator story. As for Lantos and Porter they deserve a medal from the Emir for their work on behalf of the Kuwaiti cause. But their special relationship with Hill and Knowlton should prompt a congressional investigation to find out if their actions merely constituted an obvious conflict of interest or, worse, if they knew who the tearful Nayirah really was in October 1990.
NOTES:
John R. MacArthur, publisher of Harper’s Magazine, is author of the forthcoming “Second Front: Censorship and Propaganda in the Gulf War.” Copyright 1992 The New York Times.
I need sleep… lets turn the spotlight on this Hill and Knowlten company… sunshine is GOOD! and I think it’ll be the only way to protect Ned’s hiney.
VG: good find.
UptownNYChick @ 209
Uptown- it has taken me quite a while to have any thing near competence in searching Nexis Lexis- but that is where I found the article.
Valley Girl! How did you find that?? I’m giving you a great big gold star!
hmm – look! it’s Hadassah’s company!
how many different creepy stories did we get here tonight… seems like there may be many…
G’night…
Since it appears that Rayne is not still reading, could someone post a comment with N*zi spelled out in full, so that I can see if it ends up in automod?
excellent work, all.
here, I’ll do it…
Nazi
(edit) seems to have popped right through
Mr Fuller is apparently still working with the Bush Crime family:
the reelection of President George W. Bush and the Republicans’ strengthening of their majorities in both houses of Congress help America’s drug chains, National Association of Chain Drug Stores president and chief executive officer Craig Fuller said this month.
“It gives us a little more certainty of the challenges ahead,” Fuller noted in an interview at the organization’s headquarters here.
“While I would not be surprised to see changes at the cabinet level the people who worked with us in the past few years will remain in some capacity, and that will be helpful to us going forward.”
Thanks OldCoastie- so much for *that* hypothesis! Now I am even more stumped.
not to mention, heavily involved in drugs…
montag — thanks, I’m obviously not from Texas.
But that actually makes the situation worse – Houston’s surely got a bunch of Repugs who’d have written checks to Harris County Repug Party.
I can only find one year of reporting for a now-defunct United Republicans of Harris County. Hmm.
VG — here’s a sample: Rumsfeld could stand to crack a history book if he’s going to call Americans Nazi sympathizers.
Does it hang?
Goodnight ValleyGirl and all FDL’ers. I’m off to see my band rock The Pub tonight. Probably last time I’ll get to see them on a big stage.
Valley Girl @
31
Asked to comment on the “anti-Democratic” charges against Lieberman, the campaign’s new press secretary, Tammy Sun, responded…
Does that mean that Dan Gerstein doesn’t speak for Joe anymore?
I have to work tomorrow a.m., so I need to go to sleep. This is really interesting though. I am really curious about the connection to these “voter education programs.”
Good night all.
Valley Girl @ 216
I don’t know what it could be – other than tonight’s little burp, I think the only time I’ve been stuck in mod is when I tried to post from my computer at school (dif IP) with my same user name… maybe there is some address confusion in the toobz..?
Rayne- nope- got thru just fine. I am stumped.
now really, FER SURE, good night!
Valley Girl @ 210
Note the author. As I mentioned, Second Front has all this and more in it.
As I recall, MacArthur said that part of the problem was that even Amnesty International fell for the incubator story, which lent it some legitimacy. When people actually got around to checking–well after the war began–logic and a little medical knowledge would have revealed the falsehoods in the account. Someone finally checked on how many hospitals there were in Kuwait, and there were only three. Only a couple had large maternity departments and when a doctor in the largest of those hospitals was asked how many incubators were in the hospital, he said, “a few.” No one in the press had even thought to question the number of incubators described (over 300), and no one in the press thought to ask why the ambassador’s daughter wasn’t sworn in to give her testimony. The implication was that the committee chair knew her identity and didn’t want her exposed to perjury charges.
OldCoastie- Mary’s comments get trapped in mod when she posts from her laptop. I have a vague idea (all I can come up with) is that it is a *security* issue- something about proxies that I DO NOT understand at all. (Not the Rayne problem, however, as she is obviously posting comments from the same computer, and some are trapped and some are not.
So, what I was going to suggest to Mary that she compare the security settings on the laptop with those from the computer that *works* and if they are different, change the settings on the laptop so that they are the same as the *working* computer.
I don’t think that the different IP address has anything to do with the problem. Sometimes I am online via Mindspring, and sometimes I am online via edu account (same computer tho). Those have different IPs, and I have never had a problem on that account. = because of that.
VG -
Interesting…I had been trying to search the online archives for the PI (they do go back that far), but nothing seemed to come up for 1/12/92 — at all (I searched for “public” to get as broad a response as possible – hits for 11th and 13th, no 12th.
Once I saw your post, I went back and searched for “Nayirah” === no results, I had already searched for Lantos with no complete word matches.
Hmmmmm
VG, if any settings were changed recently, could be anything. Maybe I posted too many times in a short period, or maybe it’s a matrix of items, like links and blockquotes combined, etc. No big deal. Thanks for watching this, though!
Found FEC stuff on Harris County, but it’s very, VERY thin. http://herndon1.sdrdc.com/cgi-…..C00326835/
Frustrating.
I’m going to point out another nexus between several storylines:
– H&K client is Turkey
– Plame covered Turkey for B&J
– Sibel Edmonds overheard content about Turkey
Gives me the heebie-jeebies, this stuff, because it’s so damned shady and tough to drag out into the sunlight.
Well, FirePups, 2:41 am EDT here, need to hit the hay. Catch you on the sunrise side!
VG, you get the Gladys Kravitz award for the night.
Wouldn’t she have had diplomatic immunity? If that applies to perjury before Congress, that is. If so, more likely Chair knew and covering own tail from suborning perjury.
Alaska Legislature FBI bust late night update:
best new article:
http://www.ktuu.com/cms/anmvie…..31&z=1
The Murkowski administration says it hasn’t given up on a special session to address the governor’s proposed deal on a gas pipeline. But that plan is all but dead tonight, and it’s energizing the campaigns of the two major candidates seeking to replace Murkowski.
“I was real surprised, of course, along with everyone else,” said Sarah Palin, the Republican candidate for governor.
“Alaskans are shocked, and I’m shocked about this investigation,” said Tony Knowles, the Democratic candidate for governor.
This will be the biggest scandal in Alaska political history. It ties in big oil, an increasing frustration with lack of creative policy from the GOP machine which dominates Alaska, and the growing resentment nationwide with similar GOP riffs.
The Murkowski father-daughter team and Stevens father-son team are vulnerable to accusations of financial benefit from Veco – the main target of the investigation. So is US Representative Don Young (R), who has been thought a shoo-in for re-election. But Young has taken in over $250,000 from Veco contributions and Veco-sponsored fundraisers.
Alaska is a state with many soldiers deployed overseas, including a higher and higher percentage of our National Guard. Young’s challenger for his house seat, Diane Benson, is one of many young challengers doing better than expected so far. Benson’s son, a serviceman in Iraq, was severely injured by a roadside bomb in Bagdhad last November. Increasing numbers of military spouses and relatives are showing up at her speeches.
Who knows where this might go?
The right wing spin machine is going nuts. Everybody knows each other up here, so it is quite nuts in that way. Which makes it time for disclosure. I was one of the people who helped stop the sole-source Veco attempt at building a Whittier, Alaska prison several years ago, referenced in the linked article above.
Oh wow…just read the comments above my latest. Wonder if my laptop has something weird going on because of a little test drive I took this evening with some open source software? Played with Ubuntu bootable CD, opened Firefox in the Ubuntu distro bundle, then exited Ubuntu and rebooted in XP. Unaware of any problems earlier today with comments hanging in mod…?
Oh well. Off to bed, seriously.
BQ- Nexis Lexis search-
Guided news search
U.S. news sources
Washington news sources
Search terms:
Hill (full text)
and
Knowlton (full text)
dates 1990 to 1994 (used wide range here)
Hey ET, I can’t speak for the powers that be (JH CHS) but for my own self, this sounds like ideal fodder/ info for an FDL post from you! You are in the thick of this, and obviously there is a lot of interest at FDL!
thanks for the update, ET!
Sounds like this one’s gonna be fun. I can’t imagine Young being threatened, but wow, if true….
Of course no one here will be eligible for the Edward R. Murrow award until they can say “blogger” as though they are scraping something off of the bottom of their shoe.
1,268 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
UptownNYchick:
OMG! Look at the timeline for HK’s relationship to Bush the Edler and Lieberliar’s career. It looks like Ol’ Joe has been in the Bushes pocket since his first senate term.
I think a bright light on Mrs. JL and her attachment to HK is a good task for blog muckrakers. And with regard to other “investigative” topics, how about Joe’s first wife and the circumstances or at least timeline of his dumpin’ her and hookin’ up with Mrs. “I’m not a lobbyperson”.
KEEP THE FAITH, THE TRUTH WILL PUT ‘EM ALL OUTTA BUSINESS!!
Grab it ET! Own that story.
I was one of the people who helped stop the sole-source Veco attempt at building a Whittier, Alaska prison several years ago, referenced in the linked article above.
Thank you for stopping that Ed*ard Teller since I am sitting in Begich Towers right now in Junes B&B Whittier AK…..
FBI busts just blocks from my Anchorage hotel room a few days ago and now…. I cannot imagine a prison being built here….
BQ @ 230
I suppose that’s possible. She was underage at the time, so, yeah, she’d likely be covered on her parents’ diplomatic passport. I suppose the salient point is that the press never picked up on it, and never asked why she wasn’t sworn.
Truthfully, though, I don’t know how diplomatic status would have affected perjury before Congress. Not that well-informed on the legal details of that. But, as you say, for sure, if the committee chair knew her identity and didn’t swear her for that reason, that would be, without question, suborning perjury.
And it was a big deal at the time, because, as MacArthur wrote in his book, the vote in the Senate was 52-47 in favor of the AUMF, and five of those senators voting in favor said that the incubator story convinced them to change their votes in favor–prior to that time, they weren’t too hot to interfere in what April Glaspie had referred to as “Arab-Arab affairs.”
MacArthur’s point throughout the book was that the press was too busy cheerleading for war (shades of recent behavior?) to notice the pertinent details of the developing story. Firms like H&K know how to snooker the press and the public and Congress–it’s their business to know how.
NOrske- it looks like she didn’t actually work for HK for all that long (if I have read previous comments correctly) BUT, one does have to wonder how she got that job in the first place!!!! Meaning spread a wider net than just HK…
VG,
you missed my point, I don’t have Lexis-Nexus. I searched the official Seattle PI archives, which contained stories from all around this date — but as far as I can tell, either January 12, 1992 was a very f’ing slow news day (which, since Lexus has the story, we know it was not), or the Seattle PI website has had an entire day scrubbed.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/search/
Search page here- I finally put “Bush” thru a search for 1/11/92-1/13/92 == I got one story about lions, on January 11th
g’nite pups
montag- oh wow- looks like late nite has coughed up a really really good story- and, once again, I can’t speak for the powers that be (JH and CHS) but FDL has featured articles from regulars about various topics- and, if anyone is so inclined- going after this in more detail- I hope you will email Jane.
Thanks, friends. I remember when a year ago I first posted here when some poster made a comment I couldn’t let pass by. I was SO nervous. Not because I doubted what I wanted to say was important. It was more like a “Somebody here’s going to take my argument apart and rip me a new asshole” sort of a thing. But I said it. Jane came right back and welcomed me. I still feel unworthy as a writer among so many articulate, effective people. No BS.
Besides, who cares about an Alaska thread, anyway?
SharonW @ 16
As the Chinese would say, its between laughing and crying. Right now I am laughing at Joe, Danny and Nancy Johnson. Especially Nancy Johnson. She strikes me as one of the most venal persons we have sitting in the house from CT.
Browser test
yes yes don’t let this H&K story end here on LateNite!
now, really, g’nite!
BQ- actually, I was being a bit lazy- I did see that you were searching through the PI archives, not NL. You were the most recent commenter re: PI, so I put my info in fwiw. But, the fact that you couldn’t find it at PI archives is *very* interesting.
montag,
sorry, didn’t mean to get off on a tangent. One of those questions that pop up in your brain like prairie dogs. I should have said covering butt in addition to enabling the whole nightmare.
katymine @ 239
We owned BTI 1411 and 1412 from ‘79 to ‘84-85. Best view of nothing (300 days of the year) in the world.
ET- wow! So, I missed your first FDL post- so sorry! Don’t be fooled- you are very articulate. And, remember S. Dakota? I mean, who would care about a S. Dakota thread??? haha.
Rayne @ 171
Here’s the announcement of Hadassah’s hiring by H&K in a trade rag (4/1/05):
Ed*ard Teller @ 245
1. you never know until you try to write
2. corruption on a statewide basis has a way of affecting others in other states. Think of the Ohio coin Tom Noe lets steal 10 Million in rare coins. That little statewide scandal had the effect of drying up BushCo donors, pioneers & rangers NOT feeding the ReThug keep them elected funds.
AND not least…. anything that has to do with Oil and net neutrality effects us all. Besides being here on vacation and having such a scandal break right around you is pretty exciting. Other than seeing great scenary!
Thanks for all the weather links ET
VG,
sorry, it didn’t seem like you to miss that. I should have known. I wonder if we can manage to come up with the latest Google cache and get a time frame…
btw, wiki baseball lingo page has proven invaluable, and the team clinched a playoff berth tonight in a nailbiter. The kid’s starting tomorrow – going for Division title.
VG,
LOL! Yeah. If Sarah Palin wins we could be faced with SD by March 2007. Our election choice for Gov in November is between a Lieberman Democrat and a Pat Robertson Republican.
What time zone you in, ET?
Valley Girl @ 243
I could probably go into quite a bit of detail about that time, but, unfortunately, the principal source–MacArthur’s book–I no longer have (I loaned my copy to someone several years ago, and never got it back). And, being on dial-up and not having Lexis-Nexis available would make supplemental research difficult.
But, yeah, delving into H&K’s connections to current crop of Princes of Darkness in government would be fun, as might the story of how Lieberman’s wife came to work for such a Repug-connected firm–as well as what she’s actually doing for them.
But, for an overview of just how connected they are, have a look here:
op99 @ 252
Ahh pooor HoJo, *crocodile tears*, I bet he wishes he hadn’t fired what’s her name now. Maybe he can rehire Sean Smith who can run in tandem with Danny Gerstein running the HoJo campaign into the ground. *cackle* Sorry, for the Schadenfreude. We’ve known about HoJo’s affiliations for a long time, but its better when HoJo reaffirms it by protesting too hard.
BQ- thanks- and I’m glad the BB page was helpful. As you know, I love the BB lingo!
Oh, wow – Katymine’s on her Alaska cruise! Good luck.
Believe it or not, this is the best weather in weeks, nah, months. I hope. Prince William Sound is one of the world’s most beautiful places.
If you get a chance to look at the small boat harbor in the morning, do! I designed the one that’s there now. If you can have a BabsBurger at Hobo Bay Trading Co’s trailer, tell Babs Phil, the first harbormaster sent you, and you’ll get a freebie.
So, ET, when are you gonna write the article?
op99 @ 256
Alaska. Subtract one hour from Seattle. FDL is dated by a pacific time zone server or calendar, so the hour tag on your post is one hour later than the hour I’m in.
F5 alert Montag re: HK. Sigh. I am hating that refresh comments button more and more.
Well, then it must be 3:22 am here, so I’m turning in. Night pups. Last one to bed turn out the lights.
Will do ET…. rode the train in today, it was beautiful trip and the weather has been great. Not freezing my Arizona butt off tooo much. We do the 26 glacier cruise Sunday and the Ferry to Cordova on Monday.
Walked right by the marina and the Hobo Bay, actually took a picture of the sign… tonight. Will stop and say hey for ya… We received lots of funny comments when we told people we were staying in Whittier for three days….. “ya know there isn’t much to do in Whittier” ..
AND op99 Ed*ard Teller and I are on Alaska Time!
VG,
can’t thank you enough for the encouragement now and always.
let’s see how this develops up here. timing might be everything to help the multipliers if Alaska’s scandals can help change the paradigm both here and in the country.
meanwhile, we’ll keep hammering, eh?
Valley Girl @
263
Ah, well, it’s a time thing. Reloading the entire page on dial-up, after a bunch of comments have accumulated, is much more time-consuming than just refreshing comments. *shrug* So, it does serve a purpose, if imperfectly.
Cheers.
katymine,
Babs’s sign is a hoot! For others, Babs Reynolds has had a summertime trailer at the harbor in Whittier Alaska since 1977 or so. She has been serving buffalo burgers with a thick ancho pepper broiled on top all that time – the famous “BabsBurger.” They are huge, delicious, vulgar and unforgettable. She serves them with Yukon Gold fries.
Her sign, which katymine photo’d, notes the numbers of city managers, mayors, chiefs of police and harbomasters she has had to endure in those 28 or 29 years. The total goes into the hundreds! I was the first harbormaster Babs had to endure.
http://www.amazon.com/Second-F…..38;s=books
Other Offers: 31 used & new from $0.20
~~Editorial Reviews From Publishers Weekly []
He then turns to “Operation Desert Muzzle,” as he calls it, a “devastating and immoral victory” for military censorship and a “crushing defeat” for the press and the First Amendment.~~
http://www.powells.com/biblio/17-0520083989-1
~~Publisher Comments:
While the United States government made noisy preparations to go to war against Saddam Hussein, it was also purposefully planning another war. But this enemy, unlike Hussein, was strangely passive in the face of these threatening maneuvers. The government’s other enemy was the American media, and the quiet assault on its constitutional freedoms during Operation Desert Storm was unprecedented in American history.~~
~~Review:
“MacArthur writes in fury at what he sees, correctly, as the press’s failure to respond effectively during the gulf war to the Pentagon’s well-rehearsed and openly revealed designs. With the help of the Freedom of Information Act, he presents a treasure trove of evidence of official deception.” Michael Janeway, New York Times Book Review~~
~~Review:
“Wonderfully readable….In Second Front, Mr. MacArthur insists that from the White House on down the idea was to beat the Vietnam syndrome with a winning war, blame the messenger as unpatriotic for any bad news, and keep the American press under control and the public in the dark.” Herbert Mitgang, New York Times~~
WELL WELL WELL!!!!!!
katymine,
here’s a link to a webcam from the building – Begich Towers – in which you’re staying. The camera, situated in one of the condos I used to own shows Whitter now, and under ideal conditions:
http://whittierak.yukontel.com/
montag- I am on dial-up too! but omigod, the discussion here has got me hooked, first HK, then MacArthur’s book, and now ET! So it is frustrating for me not to have every comment appear instantly. This has to be one of the most intensely factual and *hard-hitting* late nite threads ever!!!!
I wonder if H&K did the satellite photos of the tanks “massed on the border” too?
http://www.harpers.org/JohnRMacArthur.html
I know that Book Salon hasn’t ever featured an out of print book, but if it were possible to get a hold of enough copies of this book Second Front Censorship & Propaganda for FDL readers, and IF John R MacArthur were willing to participate in an FDL Book Salon, it would be awesome!!!
The Powell’s reviews that I highlighted indicate that this is an especially TOPICAL book! Not to mention that he is: ~John R. (Rick) MacArthur, president and publisher of Harper’s Magazine, is an award-winning journalist and author.~
ET: that is simply stunning about your local on-the-take guys. So how will this play out? People up there pissed off that their republican was taking money from big oil? Hard to believe they didn’t figure that out since all alaskans take money from oil themselves…what will happen to these guys being investigated? Does it follow they will be indicted? Before the election? I’d like to know what you think the scenario could be… Will stuffed head Stevens be gone? I’d like that so much. I take it you were sucessful keeping the prison out…Where I live a few years back the county gov wanted a prison and it went on the ballot and was defeated but guess what?…they put the prison in anyway against the wishes of the people here…now it sits mostly empty and they’ve been told by the feds if they don’t fill it up they won’t get any dough…so they’ve been putting first time drug offenders in there – people who are legally elegible for rehab…your thoughts on what will happen up there? oh and I still have my rat…he never took the peanut butter in the hav a hart trap…
Bozell decides to step down.
The job was too much for him so he’s gonna spend more time with his family. Isn’t that what people say when they quit a job moments before being indicted?
The guy is annoying as hell, and stupid. But criminal? Time will tell.
spiderpaws- would the old cats learn new tricks to get to the rafters, if, say, they were provided with ladders?
hi ed*ard, katymine, montag, Valley,
i signed in just long enough to read the last 30 or so comments. i have to hit the ground running today. keep the fires burning ’til morning….
tschuss!
Valley Girl @ 269
Indeed. I read the book years ago, and then again in late 2002 as the “new product” rolled out. What struck me on a second reading, beyond the similarities in press behavior then to now, was that the second Bush White House had followed virtually the same game plan as the first to promote their war, and had used much the same language in public pronouncements. (The other similarity, as one might expect, is that the first Bush was only marginally more articulate than his son has been in making the case. There have been so many attempts, after the debacle of Iraq, to revive Bush’s reputation as an elder statesman that we often forget that he was a tongue-tied drooling idiot in public with virtually the same communication infirmities as his son, with the same attention-deficit disorder. And, we forget, as well, that there was a mountain of lies behind that war, too.)
I’ve written elsewhere that there were not two wars against Iraq, but, rather, just one that’s been going on for sixteen years now. The first and the second are all of a piece. Both were directed toward regime change by force. The elder Bush actually failed to accomplish his intended ends the first time around, and now he and Scowcroft are being hailed as geniuses for not invading the country (of course, no one remembers that GHWB’s international coalition would have fallen apart because that wasn’t in the UN resolution to use force–it couldn’t be, because it’s against international law). That said, many, many similarities then to now. The Bush Family Evil Empire is all of a piece.
VG: well to tell you the truth they have been in there rooting around for a week or more and I haven’t seen any carcasses…found one of the females had gotten into the plastic Target wardrobe where the winter clothes hang and there she was going after something in the hat pile on the bottom…there is so much to do here I just can’t keep up but will try to put up ladders tomorrow or someday…
Ed*ard Teller, I’m sure many people will be interested in an Alaska thread. GOP greed and corruption is always fascinating.
There are so many petro-fascists to keep track of!
spiderpaws,
I don’t know how this will play out, nor does anybody. It is neither too close nor too far from the election to not be important. Very important.
The biggest TV media outlet here was already in a grudge match with Veco and Veco’s chief spokesperson in the media, Paul Jenkins. And the station is charmed with R gov candidate Sarah Palin, who is photogenic and is a highly trained GOP talkbot.
I worked in privatized corrections for almost half of my 13-year stint in public safety. I’m highly critical of the way a sensible idea was derailed by greedy contractors, to say the least.
BQ @ 272
The government has consistently refused all FOIA requests to release the information associated with the photos, even after all these years. So, we don’t know for sure, but the best guesses about how it was done are that the government had satellite photos of Iraqi tanks from another location and phonied up the location data before GHWB used them to snooker the Saudis into allowing US troops on Saudi soil (one of the principal aims in setting up Hussein was to get permanently-stationed troops into the Middle East).
It was probably done entirely within the defense intelligence community–remember who was Sec. of Defense at the time. (!)
montag!!! WOW WOW WOW !!! So, this thread is a real eye-opener for me… as I said it has been the most hard-hitting and info packed Late Nite I remember. As for doing an article (FDL gods willing), it would seem that used copies are available of the book, and lack of access to Nexis Lexis probably wouldn’t be such a barrier- I mean, there is only SO much info we can absorb anyway. The dial-up thing- well, I changed my settings for dial-up and that seems to help a lot in terms of speed. I could pass these on but caveat emptor- works on my PC, not on my laptop (where the settings screw things up terminally) tho settings are easy to undo. If you want, terms accepted (ce) I will post.
TheOtherWA @ 280
good to see somebody’s striving for accuracy in the blank-fascist identity game. may I use that? petro-fascists. has a ring…..
montag,
no doubt. I remember seeing all this laid out in an excellent documentary on LinkTV maybe 4 years ago – lent it out and can’t find anything that looks like in on their site. But I remember extensive interviews with a female reporter of that era on the photos and the fact that there were no indications of tracks in the sand from the tanks, which would have remained clearly visible. You just know she’s the reason they grabbed up all the satellite pic access this time around.
It also went into the numerous violations of the Geneva Convention re: targeting infrastructure which could not help but punish civilians (water desalinatation plants) and the horrible effect of DU on vets and the rate of birth defects.
ET: sounds like it is easily possible to be a big fish in a big, empty pond there…tempting
moontag,
April Glaspie has said she was told to tell Saddam we had no interest in Kuwait. She did that. After our Iraq embassy changed to wartime footing, Joe Wilson was the next person to talk to Saddam from the same position of US authority as Glaspie. Did they have the same direct supervisor? I’ve never seen a cite which clarified this.
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Ed*ard Teller:
Go for it…you are the corrspondent on the ground in Alaska. I would like to know how this is gunna impact on the Governor’s race and the Congressional contest. Is the Democrat far enough removed from the oil cash that he/she is lookin’ better ta voters?
Go for it, man!
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION!!
BQ @ 285
The reporter you’re thinking of is Jean Heller of the St. Petersburg Times. She had the presence of mind to get her editors to spring for a couple of (expensive) photos from the Russian commercial satellite (Ikonos?) from the same time period which showed GHWB’s scare tactics for what they were.
Cheers.
well, off to check the attic, I can hear the patter of little rat feet, bein’ fuckin’ takin’ over!…you probably won’t ’see’ me again tonight (morning I mean)…goin’ to the hill for the starz…oooooo
Norske- you up late or up early?
Never before had the duty to accept GSD’s ammunition pass in this GWOCF (Global War on Crazy Fucks!). I’m honored, GSD.
Sorry to my buds here, but a request from GSD at this hour is way different….
Ed*ard Teller @
284
You certainly may. :) Please do, in fact. Doesn’t it sum up the current powers-that-be perfectly?
I stole it from a caller on talk radio.
…tell Norske I passed the AMMO
thanks, montag,
we need more reporters like Jean Heller.
Good night, firepups. Back at it again tomorrow.
gotta crash, too
but I’ll be back to take notes on this thread.
night all!
By GWOCF I meant the war we’re fighting here against the crazy fucks on the right who we’re gonna eventually beat.
Sorry if I didn’t make that clear.
Ed*ard Teller @
287
I don’t recall anything from Joe Wilson about who his superior was at the time. All I remember is that he’s said that his primary concern at the time was getting free passage for embassy personnel out of Iraq and for the release of US citizens in Iraq-occupied Kuwait, which, for the most part, he managed to get the Iraqis to agree to those demands.
The transcript of April Glaspie’s conversation with Hussein is, however, another matter. In that conversation, she specifically says that her orders came directly from James Baker III. Saddam’s “green light” came from the very top of State.
Cheers.
Hey all, I just sent JH an email saying that she def. had to read this comments on this thread. I mean, I know she reads all of the comments on FDL, but I wanted to put this at the top of her list- this really is exceptional!!!
montag- this speeds the dial-up on my PC. However, it does not work on my laptop- stops dialup in its tracks, but easy to undo. Offered FWIW
find-
settings >
control panel >
phone and modem options >
click modem tab
click on properties
in properties window, click on advanced tab
in advanced window, extra initialization commands, enter:
AT&F1
click okay… etc.
montag,
yeah, right. Baker was directly linked to Glaspie’s statement. good to point that out. Was Baker directly linked to Wilson’s temp job in Bagdhad? On the surface, it seems he must have been.
Valley Girl @ 301
Actually, what that is likely fixing is an errant Hayes command in your modem initialization string. AT&F1 is the command to reset the modem to factory defaults.
I’m working with a computer that I built nine years ago, so it’s been pretty much tweaked to its optimum long, long ago.
Thanks for the suggestion, though.
Cheers.
Hey ET- I hope you agree that this Late Nite thread is exceptional in terms of info and seriousness!
Valley Girl @ 304
yet to be determined, my dear….
montag- well! The person at Mindspring told me that AT&F1 changed the “noise filtering” or something like that! I poked around trying to figure out how to get something similar to work on my laptop, but had no clue!! And, why are *we* still on dialup? I have no good answer for myself!
ET- trust an academic to quibble- I meant *so far* – is that your issue? Or? ;)
Rayne @
141
Next time, try:
Head On Radio: Apply directly to the forehead!
Head On Radio: Apply directly to the forehead!
Head On Radio: Apply directly to the forehead!
vg,
I’m still trying to contemplate the layers of payback which must have been going through the heads of people during the AirForceOne trip to Africa on which the Fleischer-vetted State Department memo was so openly distributed. This is the best Oliver Stone movie yet!
Snakes out to Flame Plame on the Plane?
Valley Girl @ 307
Speaking of academics, had a new line for my 200 (!) students at the first session of a big lecture class last Tuesday.
I ask a series of questions about their prior experience which might prepare them for a course in cultural history. The new question I added was “Have you ever had an absent-minded professor before?”
About five honestly raised their hands.
My response was “Well, kids, that’s about to change.”
no issue, VG.
What a fascinating building, out there in the wilderness
Thank you for sharing your information, ET.
ET- FWIW, you’re not going to get Jane to mention *Oliver Stone* on FDL. Or any any movie thing at all. That said, if you can seriously contemplate the layers of payback, you have a better memory than I do. Venn diagram?
Valley Girl @ 306
In my case, it’s quite simple. I live in an area serviced by Qwest in which they have, apparently, determined that there’s no economic advantage in providing DSL (despite promises to bring DSL to the entire state). The rest of town has it, but I’m too far from the exchanges with DSL optical switching.
Cable modem is out–the cost is prohibitive here and the local cable provider’s security is non-existent. People I talked to in town with cable internet said that, with very little effort, they could see what anyone in their neighborhood was doing on their computer. (!) Something about the way the cable company had structured the interface from fiber optic to hardwire.
Satellite’s far too expensive and I won’t give any money to M$oft or Murdoch, who are the ones with controlling interests in that regimen.
So, dial-up it is, for the time being.
Cheers.
ET- hmmm…
My response was “Well, kids, that’s about to change.”
Are you striving to undo their past experience, or add another AMP to their list?
vg,
I’m just pissed that there’s no chili pepper next to my name in my ratemyproffesor.com entry. means I’m not a “hottie.” Not that a statement like that will help.
Sadly, in terms of cultural history exposure, they’re mostly blank slates.
Evening/Morning!
Just a drop-in before I sack.
Terrific Alaska updates tonight.
Driftglass latest CoulterScreed is good, and includes the following phrase:
sleep
ET- life as a prof is a continuing series of official disappointments aka challenges, in my experience. But, every once and a while a wonderfully nice comment from a student keeps me going. Actually earlier this eve, I was wondering about creating some kind of blogspot thingy (registration required) so that all the profs at FDL would compare/discuss/ mutually support each other. That would be me, you, and imm at the very least.
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Valley Girl:
Bless your heart, Doll, I’m workin’ med-surg tanight…sorry I’m late but I watch the Late Nite festivities every nite, just can’t get the time ta post.
And ET…I know how time-strapped a workin acedemic gets…what with yer music and all the other real world stuff…but please comtemplate bein’ our Daniel Shorr or Ed Murrow on the Alaska beat.
Think of it as a little chamber music gig…dash it off between major works (like Motzart er Beethoven…mosta those incredible string quartets, at least the early ones of Ludwig, were done pretty quickly in response tya some timely demand…thinkin’ of the op.19’s)
KEEP THE FAITH AND DON’T LET THE BASTARDS IN YER YARD!!!
Valley Girl @ 317
interesting idea. This past week began the semester, so ALL that stuff. My worst experience was the parking Nazis. They’re now privatized parking Nazis, which only clarifies the term.
parking-permit-o-fascists? I don’t want those people anywhere near my car with any liquids.
Norske- bless your heart too- and, I second your push for ET to cover the Alaska beat. I mean, like, omigod, he reveals is Alaska beat to the kidz, and he’s Mr. Chilie Pepper of the toobz… oh, wait, 90% might be unthinking knee-jerk republicans…
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Valley Girl:
Are you a professional acedemic too…that’s great! I take our youngest ta the U of MN later this AM and I have been a bit apprehensive about the quality of undergraduate teachin she’s gunna get ( I went there back in the day…when everyone was good!! LOL) But if folks like you are doin the grunt work in the classroom I feel better.
KEEP THE FAITH…AFTER ALL IT’S ALL WE GOT AT THIS TIMEW A THE MORNIN’!!
Valley Girl @
174
Really?! I hadn’t noticed; thanks for the heads-up.
Ed*ard Teller @ 302
Dunno the details of Wilson’s assumption of duties of acting ambassador. I suspect that Glaspie was yanked out quickly after the deed was done, but who put Wilson there and for what reason is beyond my ken. Perhaps one day he’ll be more explicit about that.
Cheers.
ET- my freakiest experience was late at night in our parking garage- there was (as it turns out) some guy hired as *security* (contracted) who wore no official uniform and drove a suspicious looking vehicle. About 11pm I went to my car, noticed this guy, and he circled around to come back, park nearly in back of me, and started to get out of the car. I was so panicked that I knocked off my drivers side mirror and left a dent in the car, trying to back up and make a quick getaway. etc. etc. story continues…
Norske,
sorry I called you GSD earlier this thread. Being part Norske, I sometimes confuse granite with my blood.
montag @ 323
I’ve wondered why he leaves gaps in the narrative of that gig.
Norske- can’t speak for U MN- I really don’t know that much about it. But, being at a big U can be a mixed blessing. I just hope she gets plenty of good advice from you has to how to make the most of her experience. Mixed blessing, in that there are many more opportunities for learning diverse things, but students can also get lost in the shuffle, and can’t count on individual attention.
VG – YIKES!!!
Yup, pups, privatization works…
RED sky in the morning……must portend the presence of Ernesto “Che” the Tropical Storm in our greater environs. But still clear and 50 degrees. Greetings to all, and wishes for a peace filled day.
Old Sow @ 329
Nevertheless –
Old Sow take warning.
Ernesto believes in global warming.
ET–best to you…….We expect clouds to move in this afternoon and then LOTS of rain starting in the night, if we listen to the weather folk……interesting thread above (I’m at about 147 in the comments), as is often the case…….
in Indianapolis, it’s expected to be cloudy and in the 60s for the Labor Day Parade … Ive got all my batteries charged up to take zillions of pictures!
Good Morning Firepups, from the east coast. Here in central NJ lots of wind, not much rain from Ernesto.
Saw that Frank Probst way above mentioned new NY Times piece by David Johnston about Fitz and the Plame case, being a good stenographer for administration objections to the investigation [short version “but why should Fitzgerald have been investigatin’ since Armitage told him that he was the first to tell Novak about Wilson’s wife”]
Here’s the link to the article
New Questions article
VG –
I agree that this is one of the most info-packed threads, full of potentially explosive muckraking, I’ve ever seen.
Couldn’t sleep and started reading, and it’s been a…uh, what’s the toobz equivalent of “pageturner”?
Suggestion for all who want to do muckraking research but feel overwhelmed by the magnitude of the effort to be thorough, and NOT sloppy like the MSM:
Hook up with folks over at http://www.ePluribusMedia.org — this is a community of “citizen journalists” [which I just noticed is now a 501(c)(4) ] who investigate what needs to be investigated concerning everything to do with this corrupt government.
I literally watched in real time as they formed this organization — it sprang from SusanG’s initial diary/diaries at Daily Kos when she and other curious and industrious types at dKos investigated and tracked down the identity and function of that Potemkin “journalist” James Guckert a.k.a. Jeff Gannon.
They dug up an amazing amount of info, and as a result of that success came up with the idea of an organization of “citizen journalists” of the investigative stripe, to fill in for the abysmal lack of same in the MSM.
If things there are still the way they were a few months back, they’re always eager for more “red meat” in the way of topics concerning the evil corrupt bastards running the show now which are in desperate need of investigation. And my impression is that they always welcome new members there, and there’s a lot of cooperative help in various aspects of research.
Just a thought.
Also — the folks at TPMMuckraker, perhaps, although their staff is much smaller, and I don’t know if they have “folks standing by ready to take your calls” so to speak. I’m sure they’d love to investigate the hell out of everything under the sun, but maybe they only have so many hours in the day. [This is just a guess on my part.]
OK — I have to finally turn in now.
Bless you all for your tenacity and spirit! Onward and upward! Although for me at this moment, it’s more like “To bed, to bed said sleepyhead…”
See y’all a.s.a.p. probably late afternoon tomorrow…uh, today, I mean.
ET at 315………..Who benefits better than you if they are blank slates……..you go……give then a REAL look at the olde US of A!!
Without further ado, here is the cast of Lieberman: THE MOVIE!
Charlton Heston as Senator Joe Lieberman
Don Knotts as ‘Nutty’ Ned Lamont
Sally Field as Lovely Wife Hadassah Lieberman
Chris Farley as Evil Genius Tom Swan
Sean Smith as Campaign Manager Sean Smith
Kathy Bates as Stalker Blogger Jane Hamsher
From the website:{I was going to have Jane be played by the late Anne Ramsey (Mama Fratelli from The Goonies) but I couldn’t find any good pictures of Mama. But Kathy Bates fits well, too. You just know that if she had the chance, Ms. Hamsher would lock me up in some isolated cabin, tie me to the bed, and break my legs just like the Annie Wilkes character from ‘Misery’ did to that writer. And sticking with the Stephen King theme, Hamsher’s rabid dogs would be played by Cujo and his evil spawn.}
Gilbert Gottfried as Kingpin Blogger Markos Moulitsas Zniga and Jim Caviezel as Commander-in-Chief George W. Bush
http://liebermania.blogspot.co…..ywood.html
OK, I brushed my teeth, but had to come back and add something I meant to say above –
My suggestion about ePluribusMedia was not meant in any way to suggest that folks here can’t do spectacular research on their own….Not at all! There’s so much individual talent right here, it’s amazing.
I was just considering that any one or two people could feel overwhelmed by such a huge task as getting a grip on the octopus which is H&K, for example. And our wonderful E. Teller is a very busy guy with all sorts of work-related and outside-of-work activities laying claim to hours in his day.
So it was just a suggestion in case anyone (not just in regard to topics in THIS thread tonight, but for any future “investigative work”) wants to dig deep but feels overwhelmed by the prospect and could use a group where resources are pooled.
Hope nobody was offended by the suggestion!
OK, now it’s lights out here.
ccmask @ 336
In the interests of verisimilitude, I’d say Lieberman would be better played by Larry Fine and George Bush by the corpse of Calvin Coolidge (wrt the latter, admittedly, few people, other than myself, see the resemblance)….
1,258 dayz and the killin’ it just goez on and on and…
Good mornin’ FDLers! We take our youngest outta the nest in a couple a hours to the big University in the big city…all night here on a slow shift, I been thinkin’ about where she is in relationship to the world we have messed up here. Ya know, when I think about where I was at exactly her age without a clue that the world was gunna soon swallow me up whole and spit me out in pieces…I think she’s READY!!!
All she knows is that she needs to get out of the whitebread, safe little bedroom and start makin’ a dent. If ya look at the post from this late nite, the world she’s gunna dent is pretty fucked up…sooooo, I am gunna pick up the hammer and make a dent too in some a the shit we’ve screwed up fer the kids. Hope you folks ken find a bit of motivation to do somethin for the kids too, all the kids but especially those kids buddied-up in the sand watchin each others back…waitin’ for us ta get ‘em home.
KEEP THE FAITH, OUR KIDS ARE COUNTIN’ ON US!!
I think Lieberman should be played by Don Knots and Hadassah by K. Harris.
http://www.connpost.com/news/ci_4279217
~~~Lieberman wants to showcase the minor challengers in hopes they will siphon support from Lamont, his main challenger, Rose said.
“While couched in a spirit of fairness, the reality is it is a political ploy on his part to diminish his competition,” Rose said.~~~ []
~~~Concerned Citizens Senate candidate Timothy Knibbs said he was surprised the Lieberman campaign was trying to reach him about debates.
“Lieberman shied away from debating the candidates in 2000,” Knibbs said.
Lieberman did not participate in any Senate debates that year — his focus was on the national scene as the Democrat’s vice presidential candidate.~~~ []
~~~Dan Gerstein, a spokesman for Lieberman, said the campaign has received many debate requests and wanted to sort out a schedule rather than leave it to chance. “We figured it would be better to have some kind of agreement that works for all the campaigns and not necessarily dictated by random events,” he said.~~~
Norske: We take our youngest outta the nest in a couple a hours to the big University in the big city…….you done good! congrats. Don’t forget the Kleenex.
ping
http://www.courant.com/news/po…..tics-state
~~~Stepping from the shadow of the nation’s hottest U.S. Senate race, Gov. M. Jodi Rell jumps back on the political stage Monday with a commercial evoking her historic inaugural after the scandal-forced resignation of John G. Rowland.~~~ []
~~~The commercial also touts what Rell has called the highlight of her tenure: leading a bipartisan effort a year ago to save the Groton submarine base and 31,000 related jobs. The ad includes videotape of Rell sharing a stage with members of that effort, including Democratic Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman.~~~
RELL SHARES NEW AD WITH Mr. Groton, I am a Democrat.
Finally
thot no one wanted to bring up LadyLobbyist. Hope this gets to the fox level for the joelovers
Thank you
http://washingtontimes.com/nat…..-8852r.htm
~~Mr. Lieberman said he is determined to stay his independent course — and is careful to separate personal relations from politics.
“I’m intent on making it business as usual as much as possible, which is to do my job for the people of Connecticut,” Mr. Lieberman said of his return to Capitol Hill.
“I feel like I’ve got good personal relations with most of my colleagues, apart from the politics,” he said. “We’re all pros, and campaigns come and go.”~~
“We’re all pros, and campaigns come and go.” Yep, we’re all pros… just about says it all, doesn’t it?
VG, and just when do YOU sleep? LOL and hi from the East Coast……..
Anyone hear of this new website:
HOTSOUP will create a new community of influence among those in government, politics, business and entertainment who make the decisions and those who want to impact them. It will bring the inside world out and the outside world in, and create a richer dialogue and stronger connections between Opinion Drivers across the country.
The site, called Hotsoup.com, will debut in October and will be edited by Ron Fournier, former chief political writer for The Associated Press.
Hotsoup is the brainchild of some of the best-known practitioners of partisan politics in Washington, including Matthew Dowd, chief strategist for the Bush-Cheney campaign in 2004, and Joe Lockhart, former White House press secretary under President Clinton and a senior adviser to Democratic Sen. John Kerry’s 2004 presidential campaign.
http://www.rightwinged.com/200…..r_all.html
Morning, *ilson (and all, if you get to see this too eventually)!
Are you the guy who’s now painted my email-addy field that-tie-color-that-Mary-disdains? Any way you could tone that down a li’l, please sah? Mighty garish for this hour o’ th’ day.
Well, after our play with my IP address yesterday, I had four comments on two threads go into mod, stay there a few, then disappear entirely. Don’t think they’re back even now.
So I wrote to Anne (just as she signed off in the face of the storm, natch), asking her to alert all moderators that I’ll hush now until asked to try again and see what happens.
Too much trouble for y’all to keep fishing-out us fated few alla time, unless we’re useful for testing purposes.
But thanks again for yesterday, and Happy Saturday! Sounds like I’ve got a goody to catch up on above, so that’s where I’m headed.
Ciao for niao.
ccmask @ 347
Nice catch ccmask. Is that someones business plan aimed at FDL/Kos?
Thanks for the links VG.
I don’t know how I found it or what led me to it. My early morning googles. I had the craziest dream last night wrt google. Me and my sister (who is no longer alive) were googling adult beverages. We’d type in Bailey’s and once the image came up, we could reach for it and it wopuld be real. We were doing all kinds of shots and having a ball! I just can’t believe this morning that it wasn’t real. I feel like I have a hangover. Isn’t that nuts? Just like old times with my sis!
Gotta run to get ice. My refrigerator broke and I’m still waiting for the repair guy (one week today). And it’s not because of the storm. It’s because I live in this small town where the repairmen are fishing. l8tr!
ccmask @ 347
Yeah, heard of it. Less probably hot soup, and more certainly cold botulinic vichyssoise for the hungry and unaware.
NYTimes
HARTFORD, Sept. 1 — An independent group, Vets for Freedom, will begin sponsoring television commercials early next week for Senator Joseph I. Lieberman, thanking him for his support of the war in Iraq.
Vets for Freedom is a group of veterans of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and has ties to top Republican leaders.
Good morning.
“Vets for Freedom” Fight for Rove and Lieberman
http://www.prwatch.org/node/5077
Vets for Freedom (VFF) made lame claims to be “non-partisan” when in early 2006 it first appeared out of the blue online and in op-ed pieces in the New York Times and other major papers and in TV interviews. An investigation of the group by citizen journalists at SourceWatch and by the Buffalo News blew the VFF claim of non-partisanship out of the water. For instance, the Buffalo News revealed in June that former White House flack Taylor Gross, who left Scott McClellan’s office in 2005 to start his own PR firm, represented VFF and pitched them to papers as non-partisan journalists who would embed for these newspapers and report accurately and cheaply for them from Iraq. Now the camouflage has fallen completely off. Vets for Freedom has registered itself as a 527 committee and is going to run a full page advertisement in Connecticut’s Hartford Courant on behalf of Joe Lieberman’s renegade run for re-election to the US Senate as a ’stay the course in Iraq’ candidate.
The Wall Street Journal reports that VFF is being handled now by Republican strategist Dan Senor and that it “hopes to run other print and radio ads in the fall, and is also planning on campaign door-to-door for Mr. Lieberman and holding a rally on his behalf.”
Dan Senor Knocked Off Pretentious Pedestal By Real American Paul Hackett On O’Reilly Factor
Reported by Deborah -
August 30, 2006 -
{me: don’t forget to read the 71 comments}
It was supposed to be a predictable O’Reilly Factor partisan propaganda segment about Iraq but that’s not how it turned out. After clips of O’Reilly and Rumsfeld promoting fear, hate and divisivness, Dan Senor and Paul Hackett joined John Kasich for the usual debate.Dan Senor wasn’t ready for what happened next. 8/30/06
http://www.newshounds.us/2006/…..factor.php
Dan Senor, one of the flacks now backing Lieberman, was Paul Bremer’s official spokesperson when he was the CPA Viceroy in Iraq … we all know what fuckups the CPA was !
Great question for VFF is “Where is the $9 Billion missing in Iraq?”.
ccmask @ 357
maybe Hadassah knows ?
Mornin’. OFG would you pass the Cheerios over here? Thanks…
Running out the door to work, but just wanted to give a huge shout-out to Ghostman, who is ON it. And to everyone else who is digging around for the truth. We will get to the bottom of it all!
Have a great day at the Lake.
I think his nickname is Herr Senor, by the way, or Herr Green Zone.
ccmask @ 359
Maybe it’s hiding out with OBL… along with JBR’s killer and the body of Jimmy Hoffa.
I just don’t think even a Truman Commission-style investigation would be able to find where it all went.
Speaking of storms, we got off easy from the hurricane. Three inches of rain, some area flooding, betcha the road going east is closed, the usual. But no worse than that.
The worst of it has passed Northern VA.
montag @
353
i had a similar thought: HOTSHITE
egregious @ 359
Sorry. I planted all my Cheerios. I’m trying to grow a donut tree.
I’ll see all you all in a few hours — I’m off to the Labor Day Parade as the official photographer — I love days like this ! Weather in the 60s and crowds of good folk enjoying a good cause …
…Lamont’s “reality-challenged blog supporters” for repeating “the lie that Hadassah Lieberman is a lobbyist.”
Well shut ma mouth! (giggle) Guilty as charged.
Signed,
Another Reality-Challenged Blogger
OFG you funny.
good mornin’ all. A little soggy here today thanks to Mr. Ernesto.
I’m off to get my caladium bulbs in the ground and to get my lovely orchids out of the patio, which I pulled in because of Ernesto. I agree egregious, that storm was full of water and not much else.
Last week I planted styrofoam peanuts and hoping my crop of styrofoam coffee cups comes in before the election in November.
L8tr!
Aw, crap.
Anyway, good morning, all.
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ccmask,
don’t forget to plant some bird seed.
good mornin’ all. A little soggy here today thanks to Mr. Ernesto.
Drizzle drizzle drizzle…
It’s cold!
[grrrr}
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dammit.
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Cool graph that reveals Ned’s surge since the primary.
Polling Sites, FAQs and More
by DemFromCT
The CT poll I linked to above is via the info provided by DemFromCT.
Mornin’ All,
is this thread real time or can I simply not load the Pull Up a Chair Thread ?
Good Morning FDL!
I’ve got more Kona brewing over here, and I have muffins in the oven for everyone (pecan and whole wheat, awfully yummy)
Morning cbl, I don’t have a Pull Up a Chair Thread, so we’re the cutting edge of FDL communication.
Thanks John Casper, I just never know after the teenager spends hours in the viral swamp called MySpace
John Casper @
377
Thanks John. Nice trends. Let’s hope they continue. Can’t see how anything that’s happened since the 8/21 polls has helped JL, so the next batch should reveal a lot. ‘Course, they could reveal I have no clue why people feel the way they do.
Valley Girl @ 317
Let me know if you do — Ms. Redshift might well participate as well. (She teaches anthropology.)
Oh, CBL, you have my sympathy. One of my friends recently ranted about MySpace, that the graphics, etc, are enough to make eyes bleed, and kittens cry. (I’ve not seen the stuff, so I can’t say from experience if she’s right or not)
Haven’t had a chance to catch up on threads yet and I would guess this has been posted already. but if not, here ya go:
New Questions About Inquiry in C.I.A. Leak
I’m Not Surprised
by emptywheel
beard5 @ 380
Having been born/raised on a farm with a huge pecan orchard — 4,000 acres — I of course love pecans — except in my muffins, pancakes, waffles, etc. So Mom always had to set aside a couple without. Just plain for me, please. Nuts on the side.
beard5,
thanks for the muffins – we have 8 acres of pecan – feel free to drop by and get all you want
gonna have to make peace somehow w/MySpace – more and more non teen users, and like YouTube, it’s got that viral thing going for it, something we in the resistance might be needing more and more down the road
scarecrow, one thing I found interesting is that Schlessinger’s numbers are going down at the same time Joe’s are trending down.
Presumaby, Schlessinger is losing support to Joe, but it can’t keep up with the volume of support that Joe is losing to Ned.
My hope is that Schumur, Hillary, and Ned can show these graphs to the those deep pocketed Democratic donors keeping Joe in the race.
scarecrow @
388
Mmmm…pecan pie…
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The Post and the NYT’s are helping to bury another body that they left rotting on the doorstep of America for the last 5 years.
They are returning to wretched form and are helping to resuscitate the carrion infestered cadaver that is the Bush/Cheney administration.
Thanks Wapo, and NYT.
Can we consider them official accomplices in the murder of American democracy yet?
Yes, according to the Wapo and the NYT Joe Wilson is crazy and Pat Fitzgerald was out of control. Time for the blame game to begin again. Sick, sad and infuriating.
-GSD
pull up a chair!
CBL, it took me long enough to figure out LiveJournal (darned useful as a method of documenting my projects) I gave up on Blogger since it would eat my pictures and vomit up little red ‘X’s. I suspect you’re right about having to figure out MySpace now.
Oh and speaking of projects, I just finished an emergency calligraphy project. It’s the first time I’ve used Rustic Capitals for anything, and the borders are based on a Byzantine book of gospels (they were a lot of fun to do, it took a while to figure them out)
Paul Hackett, Ned Lamont, Rocky Anderson, FDL, Crooks and Liars, Keith Olbermann, John Tester.
We’re not gonna take it, anymore.
-GSD
John Casper @ 390
This suggests that JL’s tactic of wooing Repub votes is near its limits. The battleground is in the Dems and moderate Indies, for whom JL’s cozying with rightwing talkshow hosts and Cheney should be toxic. His statements re Rummy and the Shays Iraq withdrawal suggest his campaign now realizes their survival depends on holding on to the middle, but his flip-flops on precisely the issues on which he’s staked his reputation of being principled should take a toll. We’ll soon see.
GSD @ 395
Yep. When even a Ken Salazar says, “enough” (wrt to Rummy and “appeasers”) the tide is finally turning. Even Rahm feels safe enough to put his toe in the water.
Gerstein doesn’t know how to do the Republican counterattack very well, does he? By Rove’s rules, he attacks Ned’s wife as having unacceptable special interest ties, the press piles on, Lamonsters deny it and call attention to Hadassah’s ties–and it’s a draw! After all, the public figures, they’re both doin’ it. One of your most vulnerable campaign spots has been neutralized. The trouble is–it seems like this tactic could backfire big time, magnify your most vulnerable spot and discredit the integrity of your campaign at the same time. But for Rove it always works. Why is that?
But for Rove it always works. Why is that?
From Al Reis and Jack Trout’s The 22 Immutable Laws of Marketing:
From Ayn Rand:
Military historian Nathan Bedford Forrest:
Rove, driven by messianic zeal and unencumbered by morals, will do what he believes is necessary, and he’s learned that the media won’t call him on his behavior. It’s been an effective tool so far, but it might be reaching its limits, and I hope that Dems don’t try to play this game back.
Awww, poor Whiney Joe. Can’t decide which is worse–listening to Joe, or looking at Santorum.
Leaving this tidbit in this thread for JH, assuming she’s swinging by to follow the breadcrumbs we strewed about last night.
First, rather interesting use of last name in announcement, as if they were touting LIEBERMAN and not Hadassah herself.
Second, McCollister-Slipp’s connections to Cato as well as Radio Free Europe run up a flag. Remember that at least one Cato columnist resigned last year because they had been paid by Abramoff to write favorable essays…and then these bits at ZoomInfo on McCollister-Slipp. This part raised the hackles on my neck:
So McCollister joins H&K not that long before Hadassah does; she’s exited Cato conveniently before the alarms went off about Bandow at Cato, as if she was…well, whatever. You’ll figure it out.
Who the hell is McCollister-Slipp? Would we find any interesting campaign contributions to PAC’s tied to that name?
This is one hell of a thread. Catching up on Saturday afternoon. I remember despairing a couple years back that there were no longer any investigative journalists. WRONG. They’re right here, on FDL.
Nevah mind.
Good Lord! They ghost write blogs for people.
I guess I’ve always known that people were hired to do blogs for other people. It just surprised me to see it advertised on their web site. I don’t know why it should.