Glenn Greenwald on paintball warriors butching up at the expense of those who put their lives on the line:
Warren argues that the cowardice of the two Fox journalists in saving their own lives illustrates why we are losing the War of Civilizations — because of what Warren calls the "Chestlessness" of our "men." As Warren puts it: "That is the substance of most Islamo-fascist propaganda: that the West consists of straw men, of men without chests, of men easily pushed over." To Warren, the cowardly chestlessness of Western men is why "the West is proving unable to cope with a threat from a fanatical Islamic movement, that it ought to be able to snuff out with fair ease."
I’m going to take this opportunity to offer up one of my favorite Digby quotes: "This idea of America as a New Sparta is ridiculous. We’re a nation of flabby shoppers."
The delusions these people entertain each day before breakfast is gobsmacking.
(graphic courtesy TBogg)
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Fitz??!!
Jane! Fitz! Christy! Ned!
Guess I’m now just being greedy with three 0s.
Oops, spoke too soon! Oh, well, ya win some, ya lose some.
Five Shakespeares to Jane!
Actually, a reminder that Timmeh will have Santorum and Casey on MTP the Sunday.
Remeber, after 9/11 Bush said we would have to make sacrifices, then he told us to make the ultimate sacrifice and go shopping.
I’m too sexy for my voice. Terry Jeffrey was on Pat Buchanan’s presidential campaign staff and also was a 1981 graduate of Princeton.
Wonder if he and Sammy Alito every went to the same parties.
-GSD
DBK @ 6
Remember too: They also serve who go to Disney world and stand in line to wait for Space Mountain.
and…
Is this fair? Sully, Brooksie and Freddie H. have some of the trimmest typing fingers ever to serve democracy, freeance and peance.
The photo of the oh-so-manly Mr. Warren:
http://www.davidwarrenonline.com/images/david.jpg
reminds me of the guys, sitting in the cheap seats next to me at the baseball game, yelling at OUR batters, telling ‘em how to hit… at some point you want to flick them on the ear, say, “STFU!” and challenge the armchair atheletes to get down there on the field to take their turn at bat…
Scarborough is hollering against Joe Wilson again and has brought on Snitchins to buttress his case…
Thank heavens Larry King has wallabies and other more interesting animals as his guests tonight ! Penguins coming up…
Loretta, is that you?
GSD @ 7
I don’t spend a lot of time looking back, but if that hump went to Princeton….? There must be a Jeffrey Library somewheres on that campus.
on the local news, “leftists have stormed the stage in the [?} building in Mexico City, demanding that Vicente Fox hold a recount”
Read Glenn’s article earlier at his place…and I’ll say the same thing I said there:
David Warren comes across as a parody of The General hehe.
Kind of emblematic of the whole conservative movement…they are all now nothing but caricatures of themselves.
I happen to be a 6′7″ nordic god masquerading as a 5′6″ 200lb truck driver.
Scarborough is allowing Hitchens to tear Wilson apart.
Scarborough is an ass…
Hitchens is just pulling falshoods out of his fat drunken ass left and right on Scarborough re: Joe Wilson.
OT — special on about Dan Rather (in his own words)on teevee now CBS.
pretty great so far with him talking about the violence of the civil rights movement with lots of footage.
what time zone are you in angie?
Glenn Greenwald has been doing a whole series of posts about the false macho hypocrisy of the never-actually-served right wing punditry that clamors for war and cheers for the Cheney/Rummy/Bush islamofacist war talk. He’s been relentless, and probably made himself the most hated liberal blogger on the right — that is, he’s been very effective. We owe him much, and it’s great to see Jane spotlight him.
Jane said:
I’m going to take this opportunity to offer up one of my favorite Digby quotes: “This idea of America as a New Sparta is ridiculous. We’re a nation of flabby shoppers.”
Jane, some are part of a nation of flabby, shopping legislators wearing “CORRUPT BASTARDS CLUB” shirts.
Among the items federal agents were searching for in Alaska legislative offices this week are hats or garments labeled “Corrupt Bastards Club” or “Corrupt Bastards Caucus,” according to the search warrant
http://www.adn.com/ (lead item)
this is getting comical. word is that Don Young will be tied in before this gets much deeper. He’s received hundreds of thousands either through Veco, the company being investigated, or at fundraisers thrown by Veco’s employees.
We lefties have our Alpha Males too.
These republicans/neo-cons who are yearning for this ‘new Sparta’ had better bone up on their history, because none of the Spartans could be in our modern military, what with their “don’t ask, don’t tell” and all…
I am in NH.
Jane,
Is this fair? Destroying the dreams of all these “manly men”. How could you?
Now someone is going to have to go wipe Junya’s ass again and it ain’t gonna be me!
Sincerely,
Babs
David Olsen @ 12
LOL!
chris joseph @ 26
That’s all Greek to me.
BBC
Left-wing deputies in Mexico have taken over the stage in Congress, preventing President Vicente Fox from making his final state-of-the-nation speech.
Legislators marched onto the podium just before Mr Fox was due to arrive. The speaker has ordered a recess.
The deputies are supporters of Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador, the left-wing candidate presidential who alleges massive fraud in July elections.
Thousands of his supporters are also protesting outside Congress.
They are engaged in a tense stand-off with hundreds of riot police.
What inspired Warren’s whine is the fact that Steve Centanni, one of the captured and recently freed FOX New Reporters, is gay.
For “I’m a Heterosexual” sissies like Warren the fact that gay man has more guts than he has cannot be countenanced.
So he gives his best Conan the Barbarian imitation — which of course comes off as Pee Wee Herman doing Conan the barbarian.
This creep cannot be slammed enough !
Kurt @ 15
Warm, simpering, flatulent air being recycled ’cause their “movement” has run out of oxygen.
Why are you guys watching Scarborough…blechhhh! You know it’s gonna be bad, why torture yourselves hehe.
I saw Warrens picture. He looks like the ridiculously unfunny little brother of Benny Hill.
*ilson46201 @ 31
wonder if the repugs know that this is what an electorate looks like when it has HAD ENOUGH
The apparently-converting-to-Islam move ranks right up there on the obvious meter with “If someone asks if you are a god, you say yes!”
When the mouthpieces of the Right piss their pants because someone would rather speak some magic words than have his head chopped off, it’s time for the sane world to start acknowledging things about the Right that have to do with sharks and jumping them.
from the article linked above by the warrenbot:
Bullsh**, nay bullshit. Islam has never, ever denied Jesus. In fact, Jesus is revered in Islam. Hey, all you warrenwannabes get this straight– Jesus is very highly revered, m’kay?
from wiki (cause it’s easiest for them to read)
Speaking of the enemy—–EPU’d:
egregious @ 180
al-Scooter @ 129
No one in pain waits in line in my book. This is exactly how people dehumanize each other, as if a wounded Lebanese in pain means less than a wounded Israeli in pain…why. Or an American with his legs blown off versus an Iraqi with his legs blown off. War is bad for the soul, it creates hate.
Do we truly feel nothing for those on the other side of the line? I am reminded of Germans and Americans both singing Silent Night/Stille Nacht across the line in both WWI and WWII. In my own family we had first cousin against first cousin in the Civil War. Bad enough to shoot at each other, must we hate fellow humans?
We are obliged to choose the right way and set a good example even if our opponents do not. A fellow politically-engaged person with a stroke, no matter how far apart we are, deserves respect and sympathy if he has a stroke. There but for the grace of God….
——–egr, Quaker and Scottish Highlander
Peace or battle, depends on my mood. Nothing in between, yay bipolar.
Mothers of the world, unite, save our lovely sons and daughters from those who would slaughter our precious babies to make more money.
FIGHT BACK! TAKE ACTION! PROTECT THE CHILDREN!
Kurt @ 33
(Sigh) It came on afer Olbermann and I wasn’t paying attention to the TV until…well…god, it was ugly.
Fucking Scarborough ended it with telling the NY Times to apologize for all the hyped-up stories they wrote on the Plame affair.
They are really ratcheting this spin up. I pondered this over at the Next Hurrah. Could this be because they have an idea what is going to hit the fan next week when Hubris does come out?
Corn is itching at the trigger. Every day it’s something new:
Although I can’t say I’m happy to hear that both sides of the aisle will be made uncomfortable UNLESS the other side includes just one Senator from CT. ;)
let’s all email him and tell him how much we admire him and how we look forward to his on the scene reporting from baghdad as soon as possible, as we are positive he would not allow himself to be captured alive
OldCoastie says:
September 1st, 2006 at 6:09 pm
Or possible the guys in the next row who are on their second or third beer and discussing how much liquor they’ll need at the wedding reception they’re planning.
Does he mean big brawny warriors like peek-a-boo pantysniffers W and Deadeye and Hayden?
The Republican-Neo-CONfederate front line is in tough shape.
Rush Limp-baugh: the flaccid and thrice divorced, childless, balding and erectiley challenged proponant of “conservative values” has a penchant for going on vacations with “the boys” to nations known for unsavory sex tourism. He also has a weakness for the easy high of prescription drugs, some that make his limp weenie go schwing.
Dollar Bill Bennet: an obese degenerate gambler who was comfortable being the moral wag and promoter of “virtues”. He conspicuously never did cover the virtue busting vices of avarice and gluttony.
John “Smackem” Fund: Bush cheerleader extraordinaire who is currently fighting off a lawsuit alleging battery by his former girlfriend.
Ann C-hole-ter: Darling of the Bush Republican Party. advocate of genocide and political assassinations and self-avowed enemy of the first amendment. Another single, childless family values cheerleader.
Dildo Bill O’Reilly: we know what pervy Uncle Bill O was doing with his falafel. Nothing like a little sexual harrasment against a subordinate.
They are parodies of themselves, frauds, hucksters and fearful small minded knaves.
Can you imagine these pathetic malcontents leading a charge into anything but a well stocked greenroom?
-GSD
They come home from paintball and jerk themselves off to the notion of a naked George Bush leading them into battle with his tiny sword in hand.
meta @ 42
What about Poland? (as in the ambassador thereto)
As I mentioned previously, it’s my conclusion that the greatest fear of these bozos is impotence, and that gets manifested in all sorts of ways. Warren seems to have a particularly tenuous grip on his sense of manhood, given the defensiveness in his self-descriptions.
While that may be the underlying pathology, it’s not the method. These people are groupies, in that they honestly believe that in talking the talk of rock stars, dressing like rock stars and trying to hang out with rock stars actually makes them rock stars. Pursuing that analogy, these people think that saying the sames things as George Bush, or Dick Cheney, or Donny “just tell them I’ve gone insane” Rumsfeld, actually imparts to them all the qualities they’ve told each other are embodied their heroes.
In that mindscape, they become what they’ve adulated.
Of course, Hitchins’ fear of impotence, given the alcoholic haze he’s in, may be quite a bit more literal for him than it is figurative for the younger storm troopers.
I had ABC Nightly News on… top story was the Pentagon’s grim report… Charlie and Martha had a little chat about it and I swear (I wasn’t listening all that closely) they said in effect, “well, it’s not really all that bad now – this was for the PRECEEDING months…”
sick and a little dizzy…
Impotent….I yoosh duck tape and pawpsicle sticks.
-Hitch
GSD 44: Gee, that’s quite a list of “family values.”
I just saw a clip of the protestors in Mexico. Wow. They are average everyday people who have had enough!
I always thought the key to that was drinking and using like a rockstar, then going to rehab, for Behind the Music reality. Pretty sure Hewitt agrees with that.
Percy – I left a response for you.
OldCoastie @ 47
Oh, Ann Coulter was on, too?
Well, I guess if you can’t make love, that just leaves war, huh?
And, the shame of it is that love is just so much sexier than war.
Oh, well…
7 of the 80 most viewed videos on You Tube today are KO on Rumsfeld. Nice.
http://www.youtube.com/browse?s=mp
I’m starting a war for peace…
GSD @ 43
ROTFL! Perfect.
First time in Mexican history the President has not given a State of the Union speech. They tried to barricade the protestors off and away. Next week is supposed to be the certification of the election. Watch out, people!
Viva revolucion! Viva Zapatista!
Mike V. @ 52
nope! just good ol’ Charlie and Martha Radditz… yeesh! dropped ‘em a note, told them just how disappointed I was…
“This idea of America as a New Sparta is ridiculous. We’re a nation of flabby shoppers.”
in case you and Digby have been snoozing for 3 years, the flabby shoppers just knocked off 100,000 Iraqis for no reason. Sparta is a state of mind, not an anatomical condition.
.
*ilson46201 @
30
Just a couple of days ago heard from a friend who is in Michoacan. He’s been visiting the area for 40 years and was quite concerned about civil unrest, wasn’t sure if laying very low was better than trying to travel (get his arse home) right now. Even in small villages there are lot of demonstrations and road blocks.
For what it is worth, this headline from Raw Story: NYT: CIA leak case cast in ‘new perspective:’ Developing…
Similar phony macho theme: John Murtha, over at HuffPo, on what an immature son can learn from a wiser father:
OldCoastie @ 47
Grab the chair rail, it wasn’t as bad as what you thought you heard.
They said that the administration said it’s been getting better and this assessment was made before the recent security reinforcement in Baghdad. HOWEVER, in the last week and a half we’ve seen yet another huge deterioration, so the next few months will tell which way the story is really headed.
thanks, SharonW, that makes me feel a little bit better… watched too many wingnuts this week and it has upset my inner ear…
the emphasis in my prior comment was mine, btw.
oh and this bit burns my senses:
I assume they are not Christians (few journalists are)
how do you know, butthead warren kkking of fools? KKKan you tell jest by lookkkin at them?
sea biscuit @ 40
He (Warren) can’t go to Iraq; he injured his thumb playing dodge ball as a child (seriously here, not being snarky lol).
SharonW @ 64
just another six months?
Perhaps historians will call the War on Iraq “The Six-Month War”
angie @ 66
I’m guessing he is saying they aren’t his kind of Christians… that they may be those fakey kind like Presbyterians or Methodists or… most of the rest of the Wide World of Christians
The New Republican axes sock-puppeteer Lee Seigal.
In the words of John McLaughlin–bye, bye!
-GSD
… some journalists are even (hiss) Papists !
It would be nice if someone – anyone – would just tell us the damn truth and let the chips fall where they may – it might be the only way we are ever going to mitigate the damage done. As it is now, nothing anyone says is allowed to stand – it’s all immediately spun to see what agenda it serves, who has an axe to grind, whether someone is or isn’t up or down in the polls, or whose political ambition is at stake. By the time each side has had it’s way with the other, and are enjoying a post-coital smoke, we – the American people – are left sitting outside the bedroom wondering if what we heard was really what we heard, and trying to figure out how to stop our ears from bleeding.
*ilson46201 @ 68
bloody warmongering liars– “can’t you just wait a little bit more til we prove we can kill them all?”
yes.
I really wish pussies like Goldstein, Warren, et. al. would go back to playing D & D and leave the living of lives here on Earth to those of us with lives to live.
OldCoastie @ 65
No problem. These days you never know when winged monkeys will fly out of some news commentator’s mouth.
David Warren comes across as a parody of The General hehe.
Funny that you say that, Kurt. While doing my workout in the pool earlier, I had the radio tuned to Air America.
The General was on Sam Seder’s show, Majority Report. It was a hoot and a half — General J.C. Christian defending G. Felix Allen’s “macaca” remark. Allen, after all, was only using lingo calculated to put at ease the poor embattled and endangered white Christian males in the audience, reaching out to this poorly served demographic.
What was even funnier was what followed the interview with the General — callers expressing to Sam their OUTRAGE over the General’s comments. As far as I know (I turned the radio off when I came in), Sam did not explain to ANYONE that the General is a master of parody. He did, however, repeat Patriot Boy’s blogspot URL so folks could check him out and see for themselves.
Now, to find someone (Warren) who’s a parody of the General! Well, it can really make your head spin, can’t it?
YOWSA!
Amazon.com Sales Rank: #8 in Books
http://www.amazon.com/Worst-Pe…..mp;s=books
Vicente Fox promised the creation of 1,000,000 new jobs every year in Mexico. Instead, his “contractionist” economic policies have resulted in a loss of 180,000 jobs from 2000 to 2005. Promises, promises, promises. Remind anyone of anyone?
Brautigan @ 74
Goldstein and Warren and their ilk wouldn’t like D&D. It’s too embarrassing when you keep getting slain by elves.
SharonW
not to be crude, but I don’t think it’s their mouth from where the winged monkeys come…
Mike V. @ 9
Warren is a total pussy. I could kick his ass and have no qualms about doing it.
Prices are fixin’ to go up all over, even at Wal-Mart.
Go Olbermann! I called my sister – she is ordering the bool
*ilson46201 @ 68
LOL – They didn’t say six months, just the coming months. I believe they meant to juxtapose the two weeks of better Iraq news with the last two weeks of GOD DAMN, it’s all going to hell in a handbag on an Astro rail decent. In other words, which scenario will prevail?
Overall, considering the whole thing was predicated with the Pentagon report, you come away with, it’s hellfire time, again, folks.
Cozumel @ 77
Bill O’Reilly’s book though isn’t doing so well…it’s at #815 hehe Cliquez Moi!
Bill’s had a bulk purchase or something since this morning, he’s moved up from #1200something.
Kurt @ 85
Bill’s had a bulk purchase or something since this morning, he’s moved up from #1200something.
I think you may have meant to say, “Bill’s made a bulk purchase or something since this morning…”
Hey, you know he’s that self-absorbed.
Anne @ 72
Okay, this is way off topic, but you just reminded me of the shortest, funniest joke that I can actually remember to tell.
A chicken and an egg were sitting in bed in post-coital embrace. The chicken was happily smoking a cigarette and the obviously agitated egg said “Well, I GUESS that answers THAT question.” :)
lotus, you’ve got mail.
Warren’s idea, in fact, is that the only way for us to defeat religious maniacs is to become even more religiously maniacal than they are. Do they demonstrate daily that life is but an irritating prelude to death? Then let us call their threat and raise them with our own death! Are they Islamo-krazee lunatics planning to use video of us to inspire schools of Islamo-krazee lunatics-in-training? Then let us accept their challenge and die like the Islamo-krazee lunatics they are! Which then we are! Or should be! Or, if not, let us be Christian martyrs!
By “us” and “we” he of course means, “other people.” But so what! Unless we (except for me; my job is to sit on my ass in Canada and have “opinions”) become as they are, the terrorists will have won!
(My new theory: as the war becomes increasingly untenable, and as its promoters and champions have nothing to offer but demonstrable lies, THIS is who they have in the peanut gallery. THESE are their defenders: the self-parodying armchair warrior Warren, the sniggery Jonah Goldberg, etc., etc. By their cheerleaders shall ye know them.)
SharonW @ 87
Snicker. Okay, that’s a good one.
SharonW @ 88
707
HopeSpringsATurtle @ 82
I believe it. And we’d all pay to watch!
1. Awhile back, Mr. TedSF wrote that he doesn’t think it necessary that a President have seen combat. I agree with TSF. Our nation has been blessed with Presidents who’ve never had one bullet fired at them, and they led us well.
2. But a president damn well ought to UNDERSTAND what its all about. To understand the fear, to understand the screams. None of our current leadership have a clue about all this. Not a damn clue. They think of combat, and of war, as simply pushing pieces around on a map while they sip wine. How pitiful.
3. I don’t know much about this Warren guy. Judging from his comments cited by Ms. Hamsher, he don’t know much at all about manhood. A part of manhood might indeed be charging forward into the horror. But another part of manhood is, long after, to be able to say that such is not always the answer, to say that hesitation before warfare is a brave and good thing; to speak aloud when things go badly and try to save the lives of other soldiers before they too move off the line and into the bullets.
Mr. Warren doesn’t seem to know very much about that which he speaks.
Ghostman
in case you missed it, Jesus’ General has written the First Lady about the The Blastocysts of War
helpful if you are feeling a little dizzy or sick…
Don’t know if fdlers have seen this yet from Ann Coulter:
LIB (okiespeak for “Well, I’ll Be”) Seems Anthrax knows Dubya is supporting Joe too!
Let’s not forget that Sean Hannity is ready to make the “ultimate sacrfice” to keep Nancy Pelosi and her “San Francisco” values out of the speakers’ office.
-GSD
Why do Christian Bush supporters have no regard for life? I mean they say that they are willing to die for their cause.
GSD @ 96
Hannity is going to cut out his larynx on the air? Cool!
You don’t spend 4 years on the flightline with nothing but guys and fighter pilots and not grow some balls. All these years later I’m only now getting the hair OFF my chest.sheesh.
I vote we let them. Can I get a second? Or will this carry by unanimous consent?
second
EvilDrPuma @ 98
I was thinkng heart, but larynx works, too.
I really forget how much people throughout the country hate San Francisco. Kinda weird.
I read “Lil Warren’s” whole alternate universe rant. The best part was his Bio page with a pic of Warren. He looks just like Karl Rove, with more hair. Warren complains about an old war injury from…get ready…dodgeball, yes dodgeball. I’d wager that Warren REALLY likes JimmyJeff the White House prostitute/journamalist
Why don’t these pansy ass, pouting, flabby, keyboard warriors sign up and get their doughy asses over to dubyaland IMMEDIATELY since they love his “manly” holy war on the women and kids of Iraq so much.
Oh, and Fuck dubya! Thank you. That is all.
Ghostman @ #94:
Right on, ghman – as usual
Assuming facts not in evidence. Diagnosis reveals a “non-specific muscle spasm.”
San Francisco Native! San Francisco is the center of the world! Bagdad by the Bay! SF RULES!
Oilfieldguy @ 105
what was I thinking?
Meta? did you get my email?
(SharonW – good one!)
Meanwhile, Batshit-Crazy George Bush is at the wheel of the bus, we’re all asking, “Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Huh? Huh? When are we gonna get there?”
And he just keeps screaming up the road, tellin’ us all to “shut up and quit cryin’” or he’ll give us “something to really cry about!”
I am just seriously car-sick and afraid that the “something to really cry about” is going to make Iraq look like no big deal…
Ghostman at 93: another point about the Fox reporters is that the discussions on the right assume “they” are protagonists in the war against whomever was holding them. So all the themes about what brave warriors do when captured by their enemies come into play under that view. But the Fox reporters weren’t warriors on either side. They were reporters, trying to cover the war for everyone else. Their job was to stay alive and tell us what was happening. And that’s what they did. All the macho stuff, all the Christian vs non-christian stuff is just irrelevant.
Chestiness…. Have I got this right? He’s proud of his pendalous man-boobs?
Dean @ 103
Has anyone (darkblack…darkblack to the ER stat..) photoshoped roves fat-head onto porky pigs body?
Geez Anne,
Great analogy.
HopeSpringsATurtle @
108
Nope.
OT/ sorry, but I kinda got into reading hundreds of old Lieberman quotes last night. I am have a strangely good time (I know, I will be seeking professional help), but I found another amazingly funny quote from him
It was qouted in a salon artice dated Aug.8, 2000.
OK…gonna go send again..BRB
Kathy @ 112
Maybe we should pass the hat and go to Victoria’s Secret to buy him an “over-the-shoulder boulder holder.”
re: Mr Warren and his interesting “yo soy es mas macho” view of the world.
Many years ago when I went to a certain school, in a certain place, they taught us not to try and be John Wayne if captured, because it was more important to survive than to be killed trying to be macho.
I’m guessing that Mr Warrens damaged thumb and unsuccessful marriage mark the high points of of adversity in his life. Notice that the best he can do is whine about both. So, yeah, he’d have done well with a knife to his throat or gun to his head. My guess is he’d have been screaming ‘Allah Akbar’ so fast that he’d have set a new world record for religious conversion.
It’s no surprise that the wingnuts are turning on their brethern so fast, after all, they see themselves mirrored in the actions of Centanni and Wiig: Fox News guys must be “OK”, or how else could they be Fox News guys, and it scares them to think that if those two could turn so quickly, what would their reactions be if similarly stressed?
Thus, they all proclaim “Yo soy es mas macho” to insulate themselves from any psychological connection with Centanni and Wiig as possible ideological soulmates. They (the rightard bloggers) could not possibly be so fast to denounce Beloved Leader’s Lord’n’Saviour … after all, because our Kosmik Thunderer is better than their Kosmik Thunderer, right?
Truly, Warren et al are sad little people whose greatest personal trial is running short on cash to buy another bag of cheese curls before an all-nighter reading the right’s Favorite Filipina Anchor Baby and the ol’Perfesser so they can toss out a “heh, indeed” in hopes of getting a link, and selling a blogad.
On the day that one of these little warflogging WATB’s faces any real adversity, other than their sitemeter numbers being low or having to worry about how hard it is to type one-handed while watching Ann Coulter and eating tortilla chips, maybe I’ll take notice and cut them some slack. Until then, they are just more mouthbreathing bottom feeders without a clue.
OT – I just noticed that NED LAMONT had been added to Barbara Boxer’s Pacforachange Actblue page. I’m not sure when he was added, but he wasn’t there the last time I clicked on the link. As of this post, there have been 12 donors to him (there), totalling $482.50 hehe.
Yay Babs!
Kathy @ 110
One-Adam-Twelve, One-Adam-Twelve…see the man at 810 West Benton about a 707 in progress…
Anne @ 109
it would be nice if the Democrats would go ahead and PAY YOU to be a consultant!
EvilDrPuma @ 120
One-Adam-Twelve, handle code three!
meta you have mail..but no hurry. when you get to it.
Kurt @
119
Gotta wonder who the TWO big spenders are for Daniel Akaka on Barbara’s site, for a total of $17.50. That’s gonna hurt….
Depending on what happens in the not so distant future, progressives and center to left Democrats may have to, out of an instinct for survival, become revolutionary in their thinking, and perhaps their actions. Revolutions are NOT un-American.
To the administration with love.
Take A Bow
Corrupt, you corrupt,
Bring corruption to all that you touch.
Hold, you’ll behold,
And behold and for all that you’ve done.
And Spell, cast a spell,
Cast a spell on the country you run.
And risk, you will risk,
You will risk all their lives and their souls.
And burn, you will burn,
You will burn in hell, yeah you’ll burn in hell.
You’ll burn in hell, yeah you’ll burn in hell for your sins.
Ooohhh.
Our freedom is consuming itself,
What we will become is contrary to what we want
Take a bow.
Death, you bring death and destruction to all that you touch.
Pay, you must pay
You must pay for your crimes against the earth.
Hex, feed the hex
Feed the hex on the country you love
Beg, you will beg
You will beg for their lives and their souls.
Yeah,
Burn, you will burn,
You will burn in hell, yeah you’ll burn in hell,
You’ll burn in hell, yeah you’ll in hell,
Burn in hell, yeah you’ll burn in hell for your sins.
Ok Kiddo – Where’s the tipping point? :)
Jo Fish? I believe you’ve got the key…
HopeSpringsATurtle @
123
thanks.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 125
Well, I think when a judge decides that the Speaker of the House having sworn in a Congressman before the votes are certified is…. legal, and actually prevents the judge from having any jurisdiction over the case. Might be the day to start thinking about a revolution.
Oh, was that today?
http://agonist.org/20060829/ca…..al_grounds
I’m tired of hearing we need to be ‘centrist’. I’m so sick of laying down. Lie down with dogs and you get fleas. The ‘moderates’ are going to get us all killed. Haven’t the donothingcrats proved that time and time again? Jesus H Christ. The time is now, this is the most important election of our time.
Eureka Springs, AR @ 127
Will it come in the form of a mushroom cloud?
Screw paintball
Rummy’s a real He-Man
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/30496
Meta,
Newt Gingrinch was recently bemoaning the divisive state of American politics.
They he claimed that the nation will be in for a disaster with “Nancy Pelosi and her San Francisco values”.
Nothing like dividing the nation along geographical lines.
Newt, why don’t you do something different and fuck your wife and not someone elses for a change.
-GSD
Hey, HopeSAT! How are things? did you get a chance to listen to Ned on Air America? I swear, it’ll make you feel better…
Oilfieldguy @ 100
it is so ordered…
Jo Fish @ 118
Yup, twould get one’s ass filleted before the smirk left one’s face.
False bravado tends to not fool most folks, and instead gets you deeper in the shite.
Hmmm…Junya..Iraq…false bravado…shite…yikes!
The interesting thing is that virtually all of the BushCo bastards have never served, and are so scared that they end up being bullies.
HopeSpringsATurtle @ 131
The only thing in the middle of the road is a yellow stripe.
and dead armadillos…
Somebody (Darkblack?) needs to photoshop David Warren’s picture to include his 42DDD man-bra. (Who’s got a copy of the notorious ‘jogging Hindrocket’ man-titties?)
Was singing and thought I’d share.
“O beautiful for heroes proved
In liberating strife,
Who more than self their country loved,
And mercy more than life!”
………………………
“O beautiful for patriot dream
That sees, beyond the years,
Thine alabaster cities gleam,
Undimmed by human tears!
………………………
America! America!
God mend thine every flaw,
Confirm thy soul in self-control,
Thy liberty in law!
/singing.
HopeSpringsATurtle @ 138
Thanks a hell of a lot. Now I have to live with a mental image of Hillary Clinton’s face on an armadillo.
Coastie
I’m boycotting AAR…Its a Malloy thing. I love that man and AA has been disingenuious in regard to their treatment of him. I posted on it.
Anne Laurie @ 139
Is that a “manssiere” or a “bro?”
al-Scooter @ 122
Sorry, but One-Adam-Twelve has its hands full…and I ain’t gonna tell you with what. *g*
DrP
mwwhaahahhha
HopeSpringsATurtle @ 140
If you ever get lost in the woods, just find an armadillo, skunk or possum. They will lead you to the road.
that is sadder than I want to address OFG.
Mad Dogs @ 144
One-Adam-Twelve has joined the chicken. Repeat, One-Adam-Twelve has joined the chicken. (See post #87 and you, too, will know why you must adopt that metaphor.)
I gotta scoot for awhile..be back for ‘late nite’ be good kids. Hugs.
Maybe we need to publish a “RightWing-English” Dictionary, so that people can translate the code into plain English.
Or, we could start offering translators at Bush administration events – hey, if they can have them for deaf people, why not for people who want to know what Bush is really saying?.
The GOP has been doing it to us for years. Every election, they say things like, “When the Democrats tell you that they will do thus-and-such, what they are really saying is that they’re going to raise your taxes.” And people believe it.
Time for us to do a little translatin’ of our own.
Egregious, might I highlight another portion of that?
America! America!
God mend thine every flaw,
Confirm thy soul in self-control,
Thy liberty in law!
Edward Teller –
Way back at #23 you told us about the “Corrupt Bastards Club” T-shirts the feds are looking for in Alaska.
I thought your link was to some site like The Onion. Just now clicked on it.
I can’t fucking believe it. These people just flaunt their evil, and think it’s funny!
Thank you for the link.
egregious @ 141
Jeez EG, you got one hell of a voice!
Re: Newtie
I’ve always thought of him as the model for Martin Sheen’s character in “The Dead Zone.”
Dunno why, except that he looks the part.
When he runs for President, I wonder if his campaign slogan will be, “I’d fuck a woodpile on the chance there’s a snake in it.”
A Rightwinglish Dictionary? Sounds promising.
Will it have a PamAtlas and Gazeteer incorporated?
Just got this from my sis; hopefully many more will jump on KO’s bandwagon of truth:
http://www.postgazette.com/pg/06244/718081-192.stm
the whole thing is worth the read, imho.
EvilDrPuma @ 150
Oh good lord, he isn’t choking fowl, now is he? ;)
responding to Angie’s #163, I disappeared my #159. My response, which should have been a higher number shows up as a lower number than the comment I’m commenting on. I must have erroneously gotten to the #159 edit window when trying to post a new comment. Interesting.
Is there a way to get it back?
Anne @ 151
jus’ flip it around upside down for the truth or take the accusations they are tossing around, they are only speaking about themselves…
Maybe we need to publish a “RightWing-English” Dictionary
Didn’t George Orwell do that already?
On his website, David Warren lists a hundred things about himself that he would include in a Curriculum Vitae. I am not sure why he thinks anyone cares, but here is number 37.
Does this mean that he masturbates while thinking about prime numbers?
And here is no. 66:
Wonder why he felt a need to put that in a CV. That might explain the prime number thingy.
http://www.davidwarrenonline.com/about.php
Yay, ET and it is Alaska! What happens in AK happens to all of US.
pins and needles it is!
ah, perhaps I did wax philosophical! It sometimes happens. Specifically on the article by Ms. Hamsher, and this Warren dude’s take on it….he’s got it wrong, and commenter Jo Fish got it right. Jo Fish explains how the training really goes….in a broad context. Warren…I guess he can pet his hurt thumb, or some such.
Someone tell Teller…always good to see him around.
Ghostman
Dude. Jo Fish @ 10:35,
You gotta break that shit up into a coupla posts, (wo?)man.
Tryin’ to take it easy here, slidin’ into the holiday weekend and all.
Just woke up both the kids fallin’ outof the chair.
Cheers.
angie – re: your 157 -
This is what I’m saying – the people are starved for some truth. Our men and women are fighting and dying and we’re sitting here at home feeling sicker and sicker at the growing suspicion that it didn’t have to be this way, and that lives are being sacrificed on the altar of ego and power.
It just has to stop.
Mrs K8
Orwell published Karl Rove’s playbook
He had 38 years to study before putting the current game plane on the field.
Edward Teller –
I’ve been meaning to tell you for some time that I always appreciate all the info and explanations you give us about Alaska — it’s a place I’ve known too little about and your analyses and impressions are very helpful.
SharonW @ 158
No silly, that’s just a “special” manual version of the Heimlich.
Anne @ 150
Katrina vanden Heuvel scooped you a while ago.
The Republican Dictionary
The Republican Dictionary 2
The Republican Dictionary 3
The Republican Dictionary 4
The Republican Dictionary 5
The Republican Dictionary: Now With A Spine!
…and so on.
Mack –
Yep. Sadly.
And he also studied someone else’s work in great detail –
Josef Goebbels.
Mad Dogs @ 169
On a rubber chicken.
Anne – I suggest that you go in the direction of “The
PreppieNeoNut Handbook.”Suggested Chapters –
Part I – The Early Years
1. Losing Your Lunch Money With Grace.
2. Abstinence: Modern Advances in Masturbatory Techniques.
3. Bullies: Training in Anti-Proto-Terrorist Defenses.
4. 20 Successful Lies for Not Going to the Prom.
5. Someday They’ll All be Sorry For Making Fun of You.
etc., etc., etc.
I think you could have a winner.
i rKurt @
119
i recieved in da US mail today a letter from diane frankenfeinstien, my senator, wrt a call i made recently.
it simply said the the senator supports our man NED LAMONT.
i sent a letter back asking when she planned to visit CT and make an apperance with him.
give me an inch . . .
Ed*ard Teller says
That explains itself, no? Ongoing investigation and all that ; )
Anne at 166- amen to that, sister. I have been sick ever since w was anointed.
come on you LGF’ers and Redstaters– fess up, you have a belly full of bile at the administration all ready to blow, doncha? I promise to hold a cool towel to your foreheads as you get rid of it and join in with us to get our country back!
Mrs. K8 @ 153
Mrs. K8, nice to see ya. Been awhile. Is it me or is it you? No matter.
Hope all’s well on your end. Still trying to keep my kids away from toy tanks and offer the truth to one ATL wingnut at a time.
Anyone heard from marky?
al-Scooter @ 172
Yikes! Heim’s liching his rubber chicken?
Actually, that’s pretty dexterous. :)
Okay, I just drug that one into the dumper. LOL
Another Chapter:
Geek and Nerd are NOT 4-letter words.
GSD @
133
Yeah, Newt, and then Loofah goading terrorists to come here, and countless other jibes. So stupid.
Oh, and the current meme that Republicans can walk a “fine line” between supporting and not supporting the Assclown-in-Chief? There is no fine line. You either think he’s a complete horror or you don’t see what everyone else sees. Figure it out.
SharonW @ 176
You went so far for that pun that we may never see you again.
Hey pups, this is weird. Every time I posted a NEW comment for a while it went back to #159 and erased the preceding comment I had made. Has that happened to anybody else here?
Anne @ 166
Yes. You’d think that if the WH truly believed what they’re saying about the centrality of Iraq, Iran, terror, etc, and how important they are to America’s security, then they’d immediately stop insulting the intelligence, credulity and patriotism of half the country. Rumsfeld would have been fired years ago, and Cheney asked to resign on grounds they were dividing the country and impairing the national security efforts. Rove would have been replaced for national security reasons, so that the other party could trust dealing with the WH. Condi would have been replaced by a senior Dem statesman to promote bipartisan national unity in a common fight.
What the WH does not get is that even if their world view were correct, then most of them would have to go to “win,” and that would be the patriotic thing to do.
None of this will ever happen, because this crowd has no honor.
Evil Parallel Universe – I think perhaps you should write the book, and I can add the dictionary as an appendix…*g*
Another Chapter : If you hear God talking foreign policy, change the channel.
I’ll post an end of the week Alaska Legislative leaders’ FBI bust post at 2345 fdl time.
Ed*ard – I’ve never seen that but I’m on a Mac… did you try going out and coming back in again?
Ed*ard Teller @
181
No ET, but I have been having stuff in moderation much more than usual.
KO book sales now at #7
Ed*ard Teller @ 181
Sounds like it thought you were hitting “Back.” Do you have one of your mouse buttons set to “back” and maybe you pressed on that rather than the index finger button (while clicking on “Submit Comment”)?
scarecrow @ 182
I have some hope that if they will not do it on their own, we will – finally – have the courage to do it for them, at the voting booth (assuming the elections aren’t rigged…).
I think much of this posturing and chest-beating is fear – fear that they know they have completely screwed things up, and fear that judgment day – accountability at last – is fast approaching.
Raw has a preview of some lame hatchett job NYT is trying to pull on Fitz.
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2….._0901.html
Still smarting over St. Jude? Dicks.
LindyH @ 188
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Now the Times has joined the chorus of second guessing about Fitzgerald.
Shorter NY Times: Did Fitzgerald make a mistake in sitting on the Armitage leak for two years?
I posted a comment in the previous thread that time is running out on Fitz. Whether he likes it or not, he is caught up in a maelstrom driven by Rovian manipulation and media speculation. He needs to make some kind of move if he is going to further his case. We were all counting on his indicting Rove to be that move, but that seems to be water over the dam.
I know this is the minority view here, but that is what I see.
New Questions about CIA Inquiry
Keith’s book is up to #7.
a mac. I quit safari, came back on, then went to fdl’s home page and back in. Now everything is OK. Sorry about erasing the short (and short-lived) update.
EvilDrPuma @ 181
Yeah, that’s me all over. Never let it be said that there is an unsupported limb that I’m not willing to crawl out on and the proceed to start sawing. :)
Sorry, link didn’t work. Here is the long version.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09…..r=homepage
OT – Ed*ard Teller….how is the beautiful Sept light in Fairbanks? I taught at U of A there for a semester long ago, but spent most of my Alaska time living in Kaktovik, up north. The loveliest light of all was September light in Fairbanks…..nice to know there are more good spirits up there yet.
We left when the powers that be let it be known that there was no way they would let the husband work at a meaningful job…and then someone messed with his airplane. Not too wise to stay with a small child, we figured. So much for being an environmentalist in Alaska in the 70’s and 80’s.
ET – there have been some problems with the site in the last few days, so it’s possible it’s an FDL hiccup and not your own system.
oj, I don’t know what Fitz is up to, but I do know that he’s gone to a hell of a lot of trouble to figure out this whole mess. And he’s not done. I don’t think it matters whether the Mighty Wurlitzer is throwing stones or whether we are all growing impatient. I think he’s following his nose, and his office also has a lot of irons in the fire. I’m absolutely confident that he will come forward when he’s ready, and not one moment before. He may or may not have anything to present. Although I totally understand your point of view, I’m willing to wait.
Anyone heard from HopeSpringsATurtle lately?
orangejumpsuit says:
The reason why that’s crap is Fitzgerald has NEVER discussed anything beyond the four corners of the indictment, ever. And it’s still an ongoing investigation.
;(
NZ Expat @ 198– bad folks have been around forever– I always like knowing good folks like you and yours are out there holding on to us; feels good and like a lifeline to me.
Damn. I’m trying to ignore this Chestless nonsense from an equally Chestless POS (although Jane’s Latin was too tempting to ignore, so I bit).
You see, it’s been another crappy day for a veteran of this military intervention in Iraq. The kid was stressed out, called me several times worried about how he’s going to pay the bills in less than two months for himself and his 18-Y.O. mother-abandoned half-sister that he’s supporting, after he found out today that the VA says he owes THEM money.
He’s working part-time in retail, going to school full-time, just switched between schools; the first school hasn’t submitted a “change of status” form to the VA, the VA failed to notify the vet that they didn’t get their documentation, and nobody will answer the phone at the first school. The second school can’t wait for the VA to get its change of status it needs to pay the second school, so all savings and a bunch of borrowed funds from dad and stepmom are necessary to pay for this term’s tuition, books, misc. until the VA sorts this out in EIGHT TO TEN WEEKS OR MORE.
In other words, next term — 3 months of rent and another 3000 bucks from now.
Worse, he tells his dad when his dad asks (dad’s shopping, figures he’d pick up some school duds for him) he’s now wearing a medium in shirts and a 32-waist in pants now — a strapping guy 6′-2″ who was roughly the same size as his dad. This means he’s not eating.
Not f*cking eating.
And not saying anything to us because he’s too proud.
Chestless. Warren’s little chubby cheeks look like they don’t miss a f*cking meal. If I could reach out and slap him into next month, I would.
There’s absolutely no f*cking reason on earth that any veteran should have to deal with this crap after being put through the f*cking mill to improve some pasty-faced doughy chickenhawk bastard’s so-called blind holdings in Halliburton or any other portion of the petrochemical-military-industrial complex.
Gawddamnitall I am so p*ssed off. I can’t believe I ever encouraged this kid to serve, thinking the Montgomery Bill was the way to go after he’d seen the world and was ready to buckle down to school.
How the hell are the rest of this nations’ vets managing to get on with their lives after Iraq? Is that why so many have gone for 2 and 3 tours — because it wasn’t any less aggravating than being home?
And I’m the morally and intellectually confused Nazi sympathizer. F*ck you, Chestless Warren, and your POS SecDef, and the horses you rode in on.
meta @ 200
At the risk of repeating a post of mine from a couple of days ago, swiftboating Fitz is a smart pr play right now:
1. It keeps Libby on board.
2. It discredits the government’s case.
3. It creates cover for a post-election pardon.
If you’re them, what’s not to like?
sh*t, Rayne, I am so sickened by that.
I am sorry.
NZ Expat @ 198
NZ,
I live between Wasilla and Palmer, in the suburban bush. The light is incredible. I just came in from watching a brilliant evening rainbow And delightful rain in the sunshine. Unfortunately, that means that the trim on the eaves of my shop, which I painted up to two hours ago, is ?
Nate @ 201
she was here earlier, but stepped out for a bit
Mad Dogs @ 154
Thanks. I decided when I turned 40 to choose an item off the Someday list. Singing lessons was it. I carried on for three years, got to do some solo work at church and the Star Spangled Banner at sports events.
So the Mexican version of Had Enough is right on schedule. The big fireworks set for September 16, or Diez y seis de Septembre. . .not havin it, not gonna take it. Viva la revolucion!
Nate @ 201
I saw her upthread here or on the previous thread.
HSaT said she’d be back for Late Nite.
calling all bloggers:
Novack outed Brewster Jenning too,not just Plame, who fed him?????
Rayne #204: Can we help?
al-Scooter @ 205
Thank you for restating. I hadn’t seen it. You have it nailed.
orangejumpsuit @ 198
As I’ve said before, this is the crux of the biscuit:
They gloss over that as well as this point:
Who in the media will ask the freakin’ obvious? If Armitage didn’t know she was covert, WHO told Novak she was?
And why was he leaking classified information to a man he never met on the basis of a favor to his friend Kenneth M. Duberstein?
Mrs. K8 @ 168
ditto.
and, ET, please keep us up to date on the “asshats” as I suppose we must call them, now that their hats have made asses of them!
Rayne, that is so fucking horrible, it just sickens me. We’ve had 6 years of the most entrenched bureaucracy imagineable.
Cozumel @ 202
Chicago. The man comes from Chicago. If you can’t nail some one down six ways from Sunday, you don’t do it. All this handwringing makes me think that he’s got someone really, really nervous. “OK, let’s out Armitage as the leaker . . . maybe that will make Fitz look bad, or make him jump too fast, or make him fold his hand and go home.”
And Fitz said . . . nothing.
If Armitage was the story, then why was Irving lying to the grand jury? (OK, allegedly lying.)
If Armitage was the story, then why did Rove testify not once, not twice, not thrice, not four times (frice?), but five times before getting all the questions dealt with to Fitz’s satisfaction? (Unless of course, Fitz isn’t satisfied yet, and is looking at setting a grand jury record: “Red Rover, Red Rover, send Rover back over!”)
I’m sorry, but until Fitz says he’s done, this isn’t over. He’s no Ken Starr, playing the media and spinning everything in sight. He’s sticking to the indictment, and to what he can prove in a court of law.
OK, call him eccentric. Call him “old school.” But don’t call him sloppy or ill-prepared or accuse him of playing fast and loose with the legal system. Irving’s nervous, and I would be worried if I were Rove or others around the White House. If Irving thinks that he’s the only one on the hook for illegal conduct, he might just want some company in his federal housing facility . . .
Be afraid, Karl. Be afraid, Dick. Be very afraid. Even – or especially – if Fred Hiatt says otherwise.
angie, thanks, but it’s okay, I just needed to vent.
It looks to me like the kid is going to have to move in with us next term and transfer to yet another school. Going to have to get on the stick and fix up the basement so he can have some room to roam without the rest of us in his face. He’ll have to sacrifice a little freedom, but it surely must be better to come home to a decent meal, clean clothes and a bed without worrying about the bills and his grades at the same time.
Thank the stars he isn’t married with kids. I just don’t know how they do it, these twenty-somethings coming home from Iraq to young families.
I haven’t even gotten into the PTSD. That’s a whole ‘nother issue I’ll have to save for a day when I can write and not throw my laptop in anger.
meta #215:
Thanks, it’s my first thing that’s gone right all day.
SharonW #216:
Each one of those is a 64-gazillion-dollar question. I wonder if we’ll ever be told.
Mad Dogs @ 169
Can’t…stop…laughing…really…Thanks! A good outloud laugh is always so welcomed!
your love and care is the best help he can have, imho Rayne.
he needs more from the people who sent him into hell, but I fervently hope that love and care can tide him over til we take back our country.
Rayne @ 221
The way they’ve treated these kids is a national disgrace. Support the troops my ass.
T-
Is it me or is it you?
It’s probably both of us, love! :-)
I pop in and out whenever possible, which is no where near as often as I’d like it to be. However, nary a day passes when I don’t at least read the main blog posts, if not catch a little glimpse at the embarrassment of riches here in the comment sections. We must be like ships passing in the night!
However I can help a bit with your question — I think I caught sight of marky today over at The Washington Note — though I didn’t have time to post, just read some of the comments.
Because of the fact that when marky was here before, the marky over there was one and the same person, I’m betting the marky over there today is our ol’ pal here. Is that clear?
Why not drop by there and leave him a note? Or if I get a chance, I will — I’ll tell him folks were asking after him.
A question for all:
Along the lines of remembering posters from the “earlier days” — please help me out! It must mean I’m turning into an old lady because I forget the exact name of this particular poster — a wonderful gent who had “Grampa” as part of his handle.
Can anyone remember the full handle? And does anyone know where he went? He was a terrific commenter with lots of insights, although he was so modest he always downplayed any compliments he received….
Can anyone help out this memory-impaired lass?
marily @ 223
Good! You better stop there though before you read how I drive it into the ditch. :D
Now that you’ve brought up Kenneth Duberstein, he’s married to Jacqueline Duberstein, who also happens to be the Washington Producer of the Charlie Rose Show.
new thread from Mr. TRex.
Thanks OC and Mike!
Hey, kids!
New Thread!
Mrs. K8– I remember him as Grandpa.
new thread – Late Night!
Mrs. K8
Your memory is fine. I began reading here last November (?) or so, and recall reading his comments on Plame. I recall only the single name, Grandpa or Grampa. There came a time when the political/international news was so bad, making so many folks angry, that he said he needed to leave, to get away from all the awful news. That was December, I think. I remember seeing him reappear 2 or 3 months later, but not again. And you’re right, he was very astute and I learned a lot from him, especially being new here.
al-Scooter – thanks, but no, this one we’ll handle. We’re blessed that we can help him. If anything, help another vet whose family is not so blessed.
In some ways, it’s also our burden to bear; we raised a kid who is proud and independent to the point of not being able to ask for help. I guess it’s our challenge as parents to teach him there are limits to pride. It’s not like he’s a slacker needing tough love.
Rayne -
A friend of mine just told me about his buddy, getting ready to head to his first overseas deployment in Korea. As part of the “getting ready” process, said buddy made out his will and named his daughter as his next of kin. He’s not married to the mother, but still a part of the little four year old girl’s life. He carries her picture in his wallet, and connects with her as his military schedule allows.
Military policy is that since he’s not married to the mom, he can’t name the girl as his next of kin without a paternity test. No big deal – he goes for the cheek swab, the kid does the same . . . and they aren’t related. Biologically, anyway.
Talk about playing with your own version of reality. He’s angry at the mom, angry at being taken, wondering what the hell’s going on here . . . and, oh – by the way – headed over to Korea and away from his entire support system apart from his military buddies. (Good people, but they’re not family or long time friends.)
At least it’s not Iraq, so he doesn’t have to duck bullets and dodge IED’s while trying to deal with the sh*t his life has tossed up at him. But still.
All you can do, all my friend can do, all any of us can do is support them at a distance, Rayne. Pray, if that’s your style, and/or offer whatever good energy and support you can. The folks on the front lines of this mess don’t deserve to follow the likes of Don Rumsfeld, George Bush, Dick Cheney, David Addington, and such – but that’s what they’ve got.
That’s why what we’re doing matters. We’re here, we’ve got voices and numbers and strength . . . and we’ve got the GOP neocons very worried.
Voters in November can change the world.
This bugs me to no end…
Twice this week Norah (MSNBC, can’t find the quote) used the word cleared about Karl Rove in the CIA Leak Investigation.
Huh? Since when does ‘not indicted’ mean cleared?
Rayne….I am so grateful that your stepson has you and so deeply sorry that this is happening.
My husband doesn’t have PTSD, but he still has the occasional nightmare. One night I woke up to him throwing himself over me, screaming “incoming, incoming.” A thunderstorm outside, and inside, a confused man, trying to figure out why his wife was in a trench with him. The upper Mekong left its traces deep.
The healing takes a lifetime and I sometimes wonder if it will ever totally happen.
I used to have students interview grandfathers about WWII and then do other research on the particular areas of conflict that their grandfathers were in. More than one student said, “I think I understand more about why my grandfather is….whatever.” One was shocked to calculate that his grandfather had been younger than the student was at the time of the research when he (the grandfather) was fighting at the Battle of the Bulge.
Oh for a president who could say the following and mean it. “With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in; to bind up the nation’s wounds; to care for him who shall have borne the battle, and for his widow and his orphan – to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace, among ourselves, and with all nations.” Lincoln’s Second Inaugural Address, March 4, 1865.
your love and care is the best help he can have, imho Rayne.
Rayne –
angie is spot on here! My mom used to call the type of crap they’ve been pulling on so so so many exploited suffering folks like your family member “the sins that cry out to heaven.” It’s a term I find myself using more and more these days.
For what little it’s worth, your dear vet just moved into a special place on what’s turning into a very long prayer list. There are so many suffering at the hands of these monsters! The heart breaks.
NZ Expat –
As a child of Illinois, we memorized Lincoln’s Second Inaugural as school kids, along with the Gettysburg address. It doesn’t get any better than that. (Olbermann’s close, but Lincoln’s better.)
This is just speculation, but I’m guessing that if Lincoln were around today, he could pronounce “nuclear” properly.
Thanks for bringing Honest Abe to the party!
Thank you, angie and scarecrow! I hope Grampa is doing well, and if he should happen to lurk here — hugs to you! I have thought of you often, Grampa!
Rayne –
I just realized that I forgot (there goes my memory again!) that this is your son — or rather, step-son? So sorry I forgot that very important detail! You’re the best. God bless you in all you do, and blessings on him — may his sufferings be eased soonest.
Peterr — you know, at one time I’d hoped that my stepson would be deployed to Korea. I had a staffer who’d been there just after Gulf I, who’d learned a lot from that deployment; I’d really hoped that my stepson would benefit in the same way.
Families can be so very messy, without all the additional messiness that the military adds. I hope that your friend’s buddy will come out of his tour with a positive experience and perhaps the comfort that space and time can sometimes offer. By the time he returns, his daughter will be old enough to talk in a way that she can’t now; she’ll understand so much more.
Yes, all we can do is send our best in prayers and thoughts for these folks — and hold their bosses/our employees accountable here.
Rayne @ 243
Amen.
SharonW I did read the continuation and scared my kitty LOLing. Really, too much fun while waiting to see if the hurricane will flood my basement anytime soon and reading all the smarties on here. Thanks for the very enjoyable giggle.
Rayne, I got an e-mail from one of my more conservative (read GOP) relatives, claiming that the only ones who are dying for us are Jeebus and the GI, and complaining about the lack of support for the GI (implying the Democrats). I wrote back that it’s the GOP that isn’t supporting them – they won’t pay for decent armor and they won’t pay for the VA. Maybe it will make them think.
Oh for god’s sake pump your hot . . . forgot what I was talking about. Sorry.
P J Evans — thanks for your comment. You can tell your GOP-friendly relative this household doesn’t think too much of their support.
This kid’s phone call today was iffy; I could tell he was really on the edge. He didn’t call his dad; he called me at home during the day, very unusual for him, took me by surprise. He was really getting panicky. There’s just no good reason for all of this stress; this kid paid his dues to his nation and then some, having been kept over his expected period of active duty because of stop loss. Why can’t he simply get the support he needs to get on with his life – especially while he’s still in IRR and might yet have to serve his nation? Why does it have to be like this with folks who suffered and still suffer PTSD?
Thank goodness he came back whole in body; I hate to think what kind of a mess we’d be dealing with if he’d been physically challenged by his tour of duty in Iraq.
We all of us deserve better.
Rayne, please check for my comments on latenite.
heading to latenite now, VG, tks.
Hi Jane,
On this matter, I couldn’t agree less.
IMHO, America’s problem is an excess of testosterone. When Bin Laden, the toreodore, showed a red cape, Bush the Bull couldn’t charge fast enough, with most American males trailing in his dust. But the way of the successful warrior is the way of thoughtful intelligence. In 2003, twelve years after Desert Storm, the second President Bush ignored his father’s advice and invaded Iraq, ostensibly to eliminate weapons of mass destruction. But President Clinton had already achieved that objective, with neither fanfare nor U.S. casualties:
If anything, this war on terror is infected with an excess of testosterone. It’s theater of what Molly Ivins calls. “heroic masculinity,” and (most of) the poor kids in Guantanimo are simply purchased props in that horrible thearter. So are the poor kids wearing American uniforms in Iraq. And our sniveling president is quivvering in his costume, hoping to make it to the end of his term without having to admit defeat. He so badly needs to maintain his appearance of studliness.
The problem is that there is no winning a losing game. At Christmas 1990, the CIA and the State Department told his father the two possible outcomes of toppling Saddam Hussein: if the country stays together the 60% shiite majority will dominate and establish an alliance with Iran; if the country splits into three parts (shiite, sunni, and kurdish), Iran gets a piece, and Syria gets a piece, and so does Turkey. Father Bush chose to keep Suddam in power. His son chose protracted war.
Kurt @
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Must be because I wrote to her yesterday, saying I would not send her any more $ because of her stance concerning the lieberputz.
A quick note to add , re: the posts and “men without chests” — That phrase comes from a C.S. Lewis book called “The Abolition of Man”. The first chapter is “Men Without Chests”. C.S.Lewis was using the phrase in another sense, i.e. Reason is heart & mind together, not heart or mind independent from one another. That’s the short version. But the plagiarism is, I think, epidemic in terms of the NeoCon apologists. No original anything. Ugh.