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Yesterday we had a rundown of the GOP’s new "war on brown people" fall collection. Reader Mattheau K. reminded me we’d missed the particularly fetching bigot ensemble of Colorado Gubernatorial candidate Bob Beauprez:
Beauprez made his comments in response to a question on Colorado Public Radio’s "Colorado Matters" this week. Beauprez said that if Roe v. Wade were overturned, he would sign a law banning abortion, unless the mother’s life was in danger. He said he would not support abortion in cases of rape and said that such "extreme exceptions" have been used to justify "carte blanche" abortion policy that has led to more than 1 million abortions each year in the U.S.
"Tragically, I think, in some of our ethnic communities we’re seeing very, very high percentages of babies, children, pregnancies end in abortion. And I think that it’s time we have an out-in-the-open discussion about what that means," Beauprez said during the interview.
Interviewer Ryan Warner asked Beauprez which ethnic communities.
"I’ve seen numbers as high as 70 percent, maybe even more, in the African-American community that I think is just appalling. And I’m not saying it’s appalling on them. I’m saying it’s appalling that something’s happening to encourage that," Beaupres said.
Classy.
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damn, just missed it!
My first “first!”
timewarp @ 3
Oh, I’ve had plenty, so I’m glad you got it then, congrats!
As for the topic at hand, you’ve seen through one old white bigot republican, you’ve seen through them all.
Roots!
?? I don’t understand – is he actually saying he thinks 70% of all Colorado African American pregnacies are surgically aborted? Is he including all women who take the pill? What is he goofering and gopering on about?
Classic concern troll phrasing by Beauprez.
Somewhat OT, though the graphic made me think of this:
Could we calculate a “DeLay Index”, to have a handy, sound-bite sized way of vilifying the opposition, essentially tying that GOP albatross around the neck of just about all of their candidates?
This so-called abortion “debate” really really gets under my skin. Where is the scientific and medical evidence that “life” begins at conception? What is the medical or the scientific definition of life? Why aren’t these fools ever ever asked these kinds of questions by journalists and others?
For some reason, the religious nut-cases have been allowed to frame the terms of the debate for so long that more and more people have bought into the idea that abortion is murder.
The belief that abortion is murder is a religious belief, not a medical or scientific one.
[just had to get that off my chest]
There’s a lot of dumbass in the quotes you cited, but this takes the proverbial cake for me:
hunh?
Sounds like he was high on 70 proof , maybe even more, when he was reading that day.
He admitted that his remark, “the statistic”, was in error and apologized for it the next day.
I find it amusing that the chickenhawks are coming home to roost. *g*
i reckon that filly can’t be put back in the barn, Coyoteville.
Though I’m not trying to defend him, he’s since apologized for the statement.
angie @ 9
My sense is that this is part of an attempt to generate a wedge issue in the African-American voting block. There are many black churches which are just as conservative on so-called moral issues (ie, abortion and gayness) as their white counterparts. The question is whether these people think that it should be illegal to have an abortion or illegal to be gay or lesbian. My guess is that many (most) would not go quite that far . . . having had a different experience with the “law” than African-Americans. But the Dobson’s of the world are trying, nevertheless.
Unless there’s a dollar sign involved, most politicians seem to have little grasp of anything involving numbers. They know that high poll numbers are better than low ones, but couldn’t tell you beans about the most basic assumptions in statistics covered on the opening day of Statistics 101.
And it’s appalling that that nothing’s happening to discourage that.
Does the Association of Math Professors (or whatever professional body they might belong to) have any kind of math scorecard rating political candidates?
It does make it easy to see the bigotry, though. When the math doesn’t even come close to making sense, there’s got to be another reason why the fool is trotting out the foolishness . . .
Genuwyne American Taliban
Clicking through Jane’s link, the real number is:
The question for these clowns is, If life begins at conception, why do you people act as if it ends at birth??
Hint for the slow-witted wedge politician: Does original sin kick in at birth, or what? Show us the way! We inhabit the dark and crave light.
We all know the answer, but if nothing is sacred, can’t we just waterboard these creeps, yank the answer out of them and have done with it?
I know, I know. Those Geneva Conventions apply to culture wars.
Rats! Liberalism is so ten minutes ago!
timewarp– agreed, but I still don’t see how babies or children end in abortion. Pregnancies, yep. This is their way of making it all emotion, alla time and anthropomorphizing the zygote.
Coyoteville @ 12
Trying to “hide” one’s underlying views on race via “apology” seems to be the new standard in the Repug playbook.
Rove should’ve left that playbook alone. “Code-words” were more Repug-like. “Apologies” just don’t suit the Repug character.
The proper response to that statistic, unfortunate even at 43%, should be, “let’s improve sex education and make contraception more easily available to this demographic.”
Creeping Truth @ 20
That is a fucking brilliant question…major ups to you.
angie @ 20
Well, that is because you are capable of logic. While he (and his ilk), are hell-bent on creating the perception that abortion is murder, thus when a woman has an abortion a baby or a child is being murdered.
Holy shit Jane, these fools are totally gone with Pluto it seems. Shades of Bill Bennett:
Secretary of Education Bill Bennett dismissed such “far-reaching, extensive extrapolations” by declaring that if “you wanted to reduce crime … if that were your sole purpose, you could abort every black baby in this country, and your crime rate would go down.” Bennett conceded that aborting all African-American babies “would be an impossible, ridiculous, and morally reprehensible thing to do,” then added again, “but the crime rate would go down.”
Googling for that I find this tidbit from Cheers and Jeers Friday at Kos:
JEERS to the worst bedside manner in America. A doctor in New Hampshire—DR. TERRY BENNETT—was recently let off the hook for…oh, here’s one example:
“The complaints included charges that Bennett “stunned, shocked, embarrassed (and) humiliated” a woman by telling her she was so obese she might only be attractive to black men.”
It doesn’t matter if it’s women, abortion, or blacks, they are all bigoted racists.
windje – I believe that is spelled Genuwhine.
Apology notwithstanding, he’s speaking through the filter to the racist base, per Uncle Karl’s instructions. There is nothing to the right of the GOP now — it stretches unbroken from Lincoln Chaffee to the KKK and the Aryan Nation. They hear this dog-whistle code, and they know that their heros have to apologize for it the next day.
We had better get the word out to anyone who cares about how the have-nots and the melanin-non-challenged are treated: there’s a GOP boxcar headed your way in 2007 with your name on it!
And everybody had damn well better vote. And every vote had damn well better be counted.
Twisted Martini @ 24
Another question. Why must life be created by rape?
I say life begins when a woman decides to become a mother, by which I mean, when she begins to love what is growing within her.
timewarp @
9
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It’s a Red Herring anyway. The only pertinent legal question is about when human “personhood” begins. And that, Constitutionally, remains at “birth.”
.
I certainly wasn’t defending him. His remark is racist, and ineptly inaccurate. I hope it backfires on him bigtime.
timewarp @ 9
Timewarp,
Actually, in the strict sense, life doesn’t begin at conception. Certainly the ovum and the spermatozoa are alive … they are respiring and metabolizing and all the happy criteria that biologists use to define life.
What happens at conception is a state change. Without fertilization, the life expectancy of a spermatozoon is measured in hours, the life expectancy of an ovum in (at most) days. After completing the merger, the zygote has a life expectancy measured in years.
So, life doesn’t begin at conception. It takes living things to make a living thing. The question is, does human begin at conception.
To answer that question, we have to decide what it means to be human. I’m not going to try to answer that question, except to submit that an undifferentiated mass of cells doesn’t meet my criteria. What we have is a something with the potential to become human. Because of that potential, it deserves a lot of respect and careful consideration.
But a zygote (or blastocyst or even a fetus) doesn’t merit the respect and concern that a living, breathing human being merits. Even if that living, breathing human being is an asswipe like Beauprez.
As far as his abortion rate of 70% goes, no identified subpopulation in the United States has an abortion rate that approaches 70%. I am a card-carrying statistician, I’ve dealt in government statistics (and especially health statistics) most of my career. The professional term for Beauprez’s statistic is pulled-out-of-his-ass. If you want to be less confrontational about it, you could call it made-up-from-the-vacuum-between-his-ears. Whatever you call it, it doesn’t have any basis in fact.
BC
This probably plays well in that well-known bastion of reactionaryism – Colorado Springs.
Home of the James Dobson Focus on the Family, the Air Force Academy, and other “Christian” orginizations. Yuck.
Look – if I believed in a God, or if I do believe in a God, it wouldn’t be one so small that His/Her plan could be thwarted by a scared 15 year-old-girl.
What always strikes me is that this omniscient, all-powerful God coudn’t plan in advance? That He/She can’t replace a soul into another vessel? Omnipotence meets politics only here, in the God-land of the USA.
Why am I always presented with such a weak God?
Monty Python put it best . . .
Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.
Bob Beauprez isn’t just going after the brown people, but after the brown women. If you want to talk about statistics regarding racial disparity, check out the percentages of young men in prison or on parole separated by race from the DOJ Bureau of Justice Statistics:
Racism and sexism – what a pair! Gotta lock up the men and keep the women under control – that’s apparently the rightwing policy prescription when it comes to race.
BobbyG @ 30
As of now, that is. But if they get their way and manage to criminilize all abortion, they would see to it that there is some sort of legal interpretation that says personhood begins at conception — whenever that is, as even that is a dicey issue. At fertilization or implantation, for instance?
I should have kept reading that Cheers and Jeers:
JEERS to Macaca Republicans. The GOP hoof-in-mouth disease epidemic continues, this time in Colorado:
Just a day after Republican gubernatorial candidate Bob Beauprez announced his running mate would be Mesa County commissioner Janet Rowland, the ticket is in “deep damage control” after Democrats released a transcript of a March TV interview in which Rowland compared same-sex marriage to bestiality.
Appearing March 17 on the PBS program ”Colorado State of Mind,” Rowland said homosexuality is an alternative lifestyle. ”For some people, the alternative lifestyle is bestiality,” she went on to say. “Do we allow a man to marry a sheep?”
I like this man who had this to say about Beauprez:
http://www.thedenverchannel.co…..etail.html
I was OfT on Donita’s thread, and I’m OfT here, but if you want to do something about the ABC 9/11 “docu-drama-nuttia” here’s a place to start:
TeddySanFran @
102
TeddySanFran @
103
OT – Federal agency releases ‘rebuttal’ to 9/11 theories on the destruction of WTC towers
op99 @ 19
Hmm…why would a woman not want to carry a child to term? Maybe she is already in poverty and doesn’t want to become poorer by having to support a child she can’t afford. Seems to me it is no coincidence that a community that has lots of poverty also has lots of abortion.
Having said that I agree with op99 at 23. More birth control access! Oh right they want to take that away too! Now that is Repukelican logic for you.
Shez @ 38
Colorado State University — where men are men … and sheep are nervous.
BC
timewarp @ 9
It is frustrating that the radical right has been able to frame the discussion. I don’t know what the solution is – all they have to do is point to this issue and people who wouldn’t vote for them, end up supporting the wingnuts.
Y’all remember this:
http://www.washtimes.com/natio…..-9078r.htm
MsAnnaNOLA @ 41
Or maybe she loves the children she already has enough to make a decision which will enable them to have all of the little that she might have.
There are so many very good reasons why a woman–black, white, or brown would choose to have an abortion. Responsible people (poor or otherwise) think hard about these things and decide for themselves!
John Allen Paulos (Innumeracy and other books) said that 75.21% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
sorry about linking to the watimes, people.
I might be wrong, but I read something (a while ago, no link, sorry) that discussed the societal ills that result from a high incarceration rate within a given population. One is that the men who are not incercerated have little incentive to please their partners or to settle down with one woman – there are lots and lots of other women and few men as competition. This can make unprotected sex more common, along with more pregnancies ending in abortion.
Is that way off? just recounting something I thought was interesting.
Is he like Pat Buchanan, thinking them darkies are fornicating entirely too much?
Peterr @ 17
I love the idea of a simple scorecard and a “bad as Delay” scale. This sort of short hand and/or graphical depiction gets right to the point and is easy to understand.
Bargain Countertenor @ 33
I usually say “Arrived at by means of anal extraction”. Or in polite company, I use “aerial extraction” instead.
twofl, Larry Johnson at no quarter has a great rebuttal to the Plame hit piece in the post today but I still don’t know how to link to it. Since you are the King of links, help.
Petedownunder @ 47
Pete,
I left a msg on health care rationing at the bottom of the Congressman Miller thread.
Golly, it’s nice to type CongressMAN instead of CongressCRITTER … Miller is a mensch.
BTW, Paulos’ statistic is one of the 75.21% that’s made up …
BC
Coyoteville @ 32
Then I apologize for reading more into your words than was intended.
Note: My apology is a “progressive’s” apology and therefore real!
No Repug faux apologies here. *g*
BC – Thanks, I’ll go find it.
Of course the statistic is made up, that’s the joke. Paulos also said, when asked if he believed in astrology, that he’s a Leo, and Leos don’t believe in astrology.
Oh gee, another penis wanting to make decisions for women. Little Beaupenis.
I thought it was the S.W.A.G. method.
Scientific Wild Ass Guess
Petedownunder @ 56
Sorry, I was unclear — the whole thing is a version of the Epimenides paradox:
“This statement is false…”
and I was trying to clarify the paradox. Unsuccessfully, I guess.
BC
Nope. SWAGs require a scientist to do the guesswork … or some (inadequate) data as the basis of the guess.
BC
JPL @ 53
How about this:
Response to Wash Post Editorial of 9/1/06
JPL @ 53
the easiest way is to copy the link from the address bar and paste it into the comments field here at FDL.
…but i see it’s been taken care of
Bargain Countertenor @ 59
Maybe he used a Foxpert.
astralplame @ 49
The Sunday nite special about the African-American community’s challenges with regard to HIV/AIDS made this very point.
Do you get a tax deduction for a dependent if you have a spontaneous (or not) abortion or a miscarriage or still birth of a baby? I think not. When does life begin? After the first breath according to the IRS.
OT, but somebody better tell Rummy and Dummy this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09…..r=homepage
BC – No worries. OT I found the health care post, thanks. In Oz the situation is really bad, huge waiting lists and unqualified docs recruited from anywhere. Recent scandal where Indian doc who had been struck off in NY and OR went to Queensland and killed a bunch of people thru negligence and fled (at government expense!) back to the US. They are now trying to get him back to face manslaughter charges. He is one of many.
From Media Matters
angie 66 – cnn also said that 90% of the bodies brought to the morgues in baghdad (1600 for june and 1800 for july i believe.) have been killed by execution. …but it’s not a civil war. nope nope nope.
Moch Dem,
Republicans do not allow facts to get in the way of their talking points.
Thank you Teddy
If poor women generally don’t have abortions available to them how are they getting them?
That man is just plain stupid.
Petedownunder @ 67
Ugh. That really stinks.
Oz may be having some of the Canadian problems, because I think US and Australia also have a reciprocity agreement for physicians. Of course, if they move here from Oz, they can’t continue to live in Oz. Apparently quite a few of the docs who cross the border from Toronto to Detroit and Vancouver to Seattle continue to live in Canada.
BC
twolf1 @ 69
Sounds most uncivilized to me.
BTW – re all this conflation of the roles of “church” and “state.” Tristero of Digby’s blog has a great post re the actual religious belief’s and affiliations of the Founders:
Oilfieldguy @ 70
Their concern for black children is touching.
twolf1– nope is what they’re sayin’ in the NYT article:
emphasis mine.
(snip)
Mary McCurnin @ 72
He’s obviously a tool for the coathanger lobby.
I thought the Pentagon had stopped issuing those reports on progress in Iraq — unsurprised that they would dump it into the Friday news cycle before a holiday weekend.
Hey, anybody wanna give Barbara Boxer kudos for her non-binding resolution attached to the Defense Appropriations Bill next week, calling on the President to fire Rumsfeld?
http://boxer.senate.gov/contac…..N=90021329
angie @ 77
It’s called a Friday-afternoon memo bomb where I come from. A tactic used by less-than-competent weasels posing as humans when they distribute news the folks who do the work won’t like.
BC
Mocha Dem @ 76
I believe they are touched.
Mocha Dem @ 76
And as we teach the kids in school, there’s “good touching” and “bad touching.” I think I’ve got a pretty good idea which one this is.
Diane2 @
65
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The Constitution extends full protection of our laws only to “persons born or naturalized” here. THAT is the bottom line. They can change it to “persons conceived” here if they like — but be prepared to deal with the absurd consequences (“Child Protective Services, Zygote Division”?) of such idiotic cleans-hands moralism crap.
_
Bad news Friday was refered to as “taking out the trash” on the West Wing.
Don’t forget it’s the judges who decide.
Here is a part of the Fall Bush lineup.
http://www.thecarpetbaggerrepo…../8342.html
“Child Protective Services, Zygote Division”
707!
angie – I guess it really doesn’t matter what ‘we’ or ‘they’ are calling it. Bottom line is that many many people are needlessly dying. It needs to end. It needs to end now. The blood is on the hands of an incompetent chimpanzee who was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and never worked an honest day in his life.
Counting the days, BobbyG.
JPL @ 53
Thanks for the heads up – two great WaPo rebuttals on Larry Johnson – an excerpt from his piece “Smearing the Wilsons and Sliming America”
(snip)
Why is this relevant? Today the Bush Administration is once again trying to manufacture a case for war. They are calling critics of its policies on Iran and Iraq “appeasers” and decrying the lack of intelligence on Iran. It is deja vu all over again to quote Yogi Berra. They whine about a lack of intelligence on Iran but refuse to accept responsibility for their own role in destroying Valerie Plame’s undercover work, which was focused on monitoring the flow of nuclear technology to Iran. They may not have fully understood what Val was doing because of her cover status. But that’s the point. They don’t think these things true. Their only goal is political survival.
Perhpas [sp] the new attention on the Plame affair will fuel public support for accountability in government. The gang of political thugs currently in the White House refuse to be held accountable for anything. With the help of enablers like Fred Hiatt and Christopher Hitchens and others in the main stream media, it is no wonder that Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld skate from disaster to disaster, oblivious to the field of debris left in their wake.
(continued)
http://noquarter.typepad.com/m……html#more
BobbyG @
31
Even in religion, almost all creation myths — including that in Genesis — don’t consider the human being alive until the god breathes the breath of life into the body. By focusing on the physical body (as opposed to the soul or spirit) the fundamentalists are fetishizing human experience and commiting some kind of sin themselves!
Not that I believe that stuff, being an atheist and all and supposedly free of superstition.
Oilfieldguy @ 84
Friday is my trash day. We’ve got a blue barrel for recylables, a green barrel for yard waste and kitchen scraps, and a gray barrel for what doesn’t go in the other two. Today, when they came by to empty my green barrel, it broke – so they’ll bring me another one.
On Tuesday.
Lotta good that’ll do when we’ve got a an all-out, full-family assult on overgrown vegetation planned for the big three day weekend.
There’s a metaphor in there somewhere . . .
Monday it was FL, today it is OH – Federal Courts toss out Voter Suppression Gimmicks
Then go look at the crew Bush has lined up as nominees.
BobbyG @ 83
Go wash your mouth out with soap, Bobby.
I had one encounter with CPS. That was more than enough. Short version: my younger son is deaf. Deaf kids make lots of noise … you wouldn’t believe how much noise they can make, until you’ve been around them.
A neighbor heard a lot of screaming in our house, and reported us to CPS. I came home one day and found a business card on the door, with a notation on the back, “Please call.” So I did. She came out immediately and wanted to come into my home. She wanted to talk to my children … “Do you know ASL?” “No. Why?” “I told you, he’s deaf. He communicates in sign.” “Oh.” “So you can’t talk to him.” “Why not?” “Because you don’t sign (you idiot!)”
I’m already having nightmares about what CPS:Zygote social workers would be like…
BC
Bob Beauprez on the Issues:
- on Abortion:
Voted NO on allowing human embryonic stem cell research. (May 2005)
Voted YES on restricting interstate transport of minors to get abortions. (Apr 2005)
Voted YES on making it a crime to harm a fetus during another crime. (Feb 2004)
Voted YES on banning partial-birth abortion except to save mother’s life. (Oct 2003)
Voted YES on forbidding human cloning for reproduction & medical research. (Feb 2003)
Rated 0% by NARAL, indicating a pro-life voting record. (Dec 2003)
- on Education:
Voted NO on $84 million in grants for Black and Hispanic colleges. (Mar 2006)
Rated 17% by the NEA, indicating anti-public education votes. (Dec 2003)
At Open Secrets he returned $1000 to Halliburton but has received thousands from Exxon Mobile.
I would just like to know if this jerk is willing to make provisions for the support of the 20,000 per year rape babies or the babies born to the supposed 70% of blacks he referenced. I’ll bet he’d be the first to complain about having to pick up the tab! Talk about delusional!
twolf1 @
87
I agree but I also know that the reluctance on the admin’s part to call it a civil war is that almost every American who is still for this illegal war will vote to get out if they know American soldiers are caught in the middle of a civil war. I, deep down, believe that this civil war was fostered by the administration because they have no intention of leaving all that oil behind: ergo we stay forevah.
btw, Nora has Revoltin’ Bolten on tonite and Ron Reagan Jr vs Terry Singsong Jeffrey and Ron is slaying him. :)
Ann in AZ @ 95
Ann,
Life begins at conception. Personal responsibility begins at birth.
That’s the GOoPer credo. It works okay (not great, but okay) for lizards and crocodiles. Not so good for mammals, though. Among mammals, less good for primates. Among primates, less good for humans. Among humans, less good for technological societies.
But why let facts get in the way of a great theory?
BC
go Ronny! Unbelievable job he is doing on hardballs! And they just played a nice chunk of KO’s great smackdown.
I knew the lawyer who tried to get court-ordered “foster parent custody” of the frozen embyros at the center of the celebrated Tennessee Davis vs David case many years ago.
Re-define “personhood” to the (essentially unknowable) “moment of conception” with your eyes wide open as to the grotesque, absurd legal consequences that will ensue.
Fuck this quixotic “clean-hands moralism.” It’s really just narcissism, a way for moral dilettantes to bask in their own imagined swell-hearted glory.
_
angie @ 97
–hence the bases under construction
yeppers! and it will be so much easier the fewer angry Iraqis there are.
Why would anyone worry so much about a TV show? There is plenty on TV that some call “News” that shills the repug theme of 9/11 and more, let alone an alleged documentary. What would make you think that people will take the message repugs want out of a supposed “documentary” (it’s not by the way, they’ve already backtracked on the “documentary” claim) appearing on network TV?
It will be just one more case of repugs claiming “the Big Dog ate my homework.” Another ridiculous excuse for their failures both relating to 9/11 itself, and the war they created out of it.
I don’t believe the preceding paragraph b/c I want to be (or even like to be) contrarian,* or have my head stuck in the sand, I believe it b/c perception is an extremely difficult thing to change, particularly the perception (developed from a great deal of evidence) that you and your team are a lying, incompetent, corrupt, bunch of morons.
My real issue with the “Rove is a genuis,” “that strategy is straight from Karl Rove,” meme is that it creates the perception of an invincible bogieman: the Keyser Sze of politics. And what comes with that is the belief that 1. Everything the repugs do is part of same grand plan, 2. The plan is good; and 3. We must react to the plan.
That’s bullshit. A lot of what we see now from repugs is simply reaction to events that they do not control, and which they are in fact far behind. They’re winging it. It may fall back on divisive themes they’ve used in the past, but that still doesn’t make it a well thought out, or even poorly thought out, plan or strategy. And it certainly doesn’t mean that it will succeed let alone not backfire on them.
The greater harm though, in my not so humble opinion, is what it does to Dem’s. It makes them think they are always on the defensive, that THEY have to react to the supposed grand strategies of the genuis. Dem’s don’t. Not everything in politics or anything else has “meaning,” and not everything that has “meaning” has the meaning that people want it to have or expect it to have. But if you believe that everything has meaning and import, then you spend too much of your time trying to figure out what the meaning is and how to react to it – and if you do, the world typically passes you by while your figuring out your defenses. It really is possible not only to think too much in general, but to also think too much about the wrong things. The ability to dismiss bullshit is an important part of succeeding in any sphere, let alone politics.
Ned Lamont, for example, obviously knows how to run a campaign – he won the primary. He doesn’t have to react to everything or really anything J-Lie does. Regardless of whether Rove is really helping J-Lie, J-Lie has to react to Lamont. The political world has changed – Lamont gets to lead. And, if Dem. leadership actually understood anything, they would realize they get to lead too. Feingold understands that, Howard Dean understands that.
A TV show is a TV show is a TV show – whether called the “news,” a cartoon or an alleged documentary, regardless of the subject. It will be seen by x number of viewers, and it won’t change anyone’s mind. People won’t all of a sudden stand up and shout “Wow. I saw it on TV. It was Bill Clinton’s Fault. I like Chimpy. Let’s go attack those Iranian Islamofacists.”
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* Actually, I do like being contrarian at times – but not with respect to this.
angie @ 99
Haha! Faux News is TANKING!
http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/ratings/
BTW, twolf’s Oblermann You Tube is in their
most viewed today section, page 5 ; )
http://www.youtube.com/browse?s=mp
Keyser S? = Keyser Sose. The HTML ate my umlaut.
BobbyG @ 99
Did the court tell this knucklehead that he’s a whackjob?
This is the kind of bullshit that you get when you insist that the world is black and white, no grey at all.
BC
Cozumel @ 104
Thanks for the heads up! C&L get’s all the credit though.
I guess that Beauprez wants all of those brown babies to be born, right? And then that would mean he wants the brown people to take over in 40 to 60 or so years? Or would the Christo-Fascist-Repug Brave New World be so regemented by that time that it wouldn’t matter if “they” became the majority? Or did Beauprez think he could get “them” to stop fucking?
I’m still not convinced that Republicans are “persons.” It’s gonna take a WHOLE lot of evidence to convince me that a puddle of sp*rm is hehe.
Terry Jeffries blew a gasket on Hardball big time! He’s probably still mumbling about it LOL ; )
Head’s up. Sorry if it has been posted before. ABC is airing a hit piece on Clinton, blaming him for the 911 attacks. Yes, right before the November elections. The writer of the movie is a conservative activist and friend of Rush Limbaugh. Think Progress has outed him ….
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/…..-activist/
The movie is being promoted by ABC as ‘based on the 911 commission report’. It is not. The producers are now backtracking and saying it is ‘not a documentary’:
http://blogs.abc.com/thepathto911/
There is no excuse for this. Would ABC run Fahrenheit 911 right before the election? No. Yet they run a hit piece on Clinton which is rife with inaccuracies and spin. Protest here:
http://abc.go.com/site/contactus.html
ABC, Inc.
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I think you may be onto something, Kurt. Perhaps they can pass legislation for the male persons responsible for wasting all those puddle(s) of sp*rm
watch out boyz, yer next!
it is touching that Beauprez is so concerned about African-Americans — Colorado is hardly “The Chocolate State” — Blacks comprise only 4% of the total population there . . .
And let me add this. I think we have to fight the media – tooth and nail and guns blazing. We won’t win, but if we get to neutral – then we have a chance. DemocraTIC policies are better for the American people – Clinton PROVED that. We just have to fight them to a draw on the media front – the policies will take care of the rest.
Evil Parallel Universe @ 105
You can’t make an umlaut without breaking eggs.
Larry Johnson’s piece is also up as a diary at dkos, if you want to go show him some love. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/9/1/162135/3059
angie @ 111
Ev’ry sperm is sacred!
op99 @
19
Big question: How many of these abortions could have been avoided if the women involved had adequate access to sex education and birth control? How many of them have little or no insurance? Methinks the percentages of people uninsured would match up with these abortion rates, or very close to it.
Dang. What happened to my comment?
LJ/Aquaria @ 117
I didn’t do it!
LJ/Aquaria @ 116
Sorry, Scotty had to eject it with the warp core…there were issues :)
Whoa!!
New York, N.Y.: So it turns out that the White House did not engage in a malicious leak-a-thon to discredit Joe Wilson — will any of the oped pages calling for the Rove resignation be running apologies?
David S. Broder: I don’t speak for the op=ed pages in general. I am happy to note that I gave the whole Valerie Plame mess a good look and decided not to write about it; it smelled fishy to me from the beginning, so I never joined the hue and cry for Karl Rove’s scalp.
From today’s WaPo politics chat.
op99 @
19
1) How many of these abortions could have been avoided if the women had adequate access to sex ed and affordable birth control?
2) What are the percentages of minority females without health insurance? I wonder how close the above percentages align with the percentages of uninsured.
Okay, twice now my comments in response to a previous post have disappeared. I didn’t have any vulgarity in them, just some questions. I’m not getting a message about moderation, either.
2 more from Broder’s chat:
and
angie @ 122
The cognitive dissonance required to say all of that is incredible.
tucker carlson – is having multiple wives any different that gay marriage?
watch out twolf1– the entire show is pukeworthy.
angie @ 127
sounds it. I am signing off now anyway. have fun with tucker ;)
LJ/Aquaria @ 123
This happens to me every once n a while too. I think it’s just a glitch in the system, doesn’t seem to be for any reason.
twolf1 @ 124
tucker is in meltdown. all that dancin’ did him in (not that there was that much to do). when they made him take the bow tie off, there was no turning back…………..
Not to give the anti-choice crazies any ideas or anything …
But if “life begins at conception,” why aren’t murder investigations ever launched against rich, white, Republican women who suffer miscarriages or stillbirths, to see if they did anything (e.g., smoke or drink) during the pregnancy that might have placed the fetus at risk?
Logic is as incomprehensible to wingnuts as irony. Outlawing abortion & birth control, as too many of them advocate, would result in raising birth rates for the poor, white & non-white, thereby increasing the numbers of the very segment of the population that they have so much contempt for. How odd that they haven’t figured that out yet.
night all…….
I don’t think fucker tarlson should be arguing the gay marriage debate in favor of gays… he’s all hep on polygamy…
angie @ 122
Dear David,
It seems those cocktail weenies hsve rendered you “non compos mentis”.
Regarding that “cheap shot” at Fred “Call me Neocon” Hiatt, it don’t matter how much the bullet costs if it hits the bullseye!
And regading your “hopes” for the Plame investigation, we thank our lucky stars you’re not a Federal Prosecutor, ’cause ya know they’re really supposed to uphold the law.
Stuff like “lying” to a Grand Jury and “Obstruction of Justice” may be piffling little trifles to you, but we out here in the real world kinda like to have our criminals put in jail, and not playing kissy-face with lowlifes like you.
Perhaps it’s time for you to take that fantastic golden parachute and retire, ’cause senility is not fun to watch!
LJ/Aquaria @ 123
I see two successive (and excellent) comments from you at 117 and 122. I don’t know if these are the comments you mean, but try refreshing your page (f5) and check. I know there have been problems with the spam filters, so if other comments have disappeared, eventually some saintly moderator, muttering imprecations at the filters, will release them.
let’s see – “gay marriage is a “boutique” debate because it affects so few people, but then there are millions of polygamists… and it affects lots and lots of people”, Tucker Carlson, Man of Strange Arguments…
wonder where he’s getting these numbers? raise your hand if you know a gay person… raise your hand if you know a polygamist…
hmm…
LJ/Aquaria @ 123
Your post eventually appeared (retroactively, as #122).
Oftentimes, I’ll be reading an active comment thread and become confused by references to a comment shortly upthread. Finding no such comment, I refresh (F5) and “whoop, there it is!”
Old Coastie: I just pointed out your clever new name for bowtie @134 to my husband. He got a good laugh out of it. Thanks for some amusement at the end of a pissy day. TGIF
He read it on the Internet.
It must be true
This is your brain on Republican Logic:
Ed Rollins on CNN just now:
So, the problem with Democrats is that they are not consistent and they slap inconsistency aside.
Nora O’Donnell’s been doing a pretty good job the last few days… let’s see if she can keep it up…
painters have FINALLY left… gotta go pick up the puppies (they had Baths! oh so nice and clean!)
Does anyone know what I did with my ATM card? it’s not in the washer or the dryer and I don’t see it any place else…
Oldcoastie – Being omniscient, I can tell you that you will find it the last place you look. And people doubt me.
Republicans are just coming unraveled lately… all the while saying the libruls are really incredibly messed up… somethin’ must be getting to ‘em…
LindaR @ 141
Eddie keeps drinkin’ that Koolaid and the symptoms keep gettin’ worse.
OT – but a nice article on Rocky from Salt Lake.
Evil Parallel Universe @ 143
oh no, EPU – I know you are EXACTLY right…
New thread
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..said-fred/
Coyoteville @ 12
“Tragically, I think, in some of our ethnic communities we’re seeing very, very high percentages of babies, children, pregnancies end in abortion.”
How about his ‘logic’? Did he apologize for that gaff?
I think george’s pro-iraq war rah rah tour will go over as well as his privatize soc sec road trip did.
I really think that Carlson is race baiting with his argument. Although either illegal or just plain ignored and disdained here, polygamy is traditionally ok in some Islamic societies, just as it was in most religions (Christianity, Hinduism, Judaism and Islam) historically.
just my opinion of the bowtied phenomenon. or mebbe he just likes Jeffs and wants another wife.
Re: timewarp’s link – excerpt from Rocky’s speech:
and:
Very, very nice.
Why are we letting these a*hole pug politicians support the rights of rapists? WHY? This just screams out at me. These a*holes are telling rapists they have rights! Goddess, I hate patriarchy and how we’ve been brainwashed into accepting it. When will we as a society ever get to the last ism….sexism?
The rapist will justify his violence by saying how he wants a baby to love….and these wingnuts will go….’AAAAAAAH, isn’t he precious?’
I could puke.
OldCoastie @ 135
I’m raising both hands over here, but then again, I live in the heathen SF Bay Area…
*ilson46201 @
113
*ilson, that is a statewide average. Here are some stats for the City and County of Denver and Metro Denver. Not sure which is part of which.
Beauprez is running for Governor of all Colorado, not for Mayor of Denver…
…at the end of hardballs, the shorter version of Terry Jeffries (who is this guy?) “Keith Olbermann (and the media) are more powerful than Dumsfeld”…
WOW! they really are in meltdown!
orangejumpsuit @
155
The City and County of Denver has a population of 500k or so — the Denver Metro area (Denver and the burbs) is 2.4 million or so.
Denver and Aurora have the highest number of minorities, but they are spreading out to all of the suburbs. Colorado has a history of racial and ethnic tolerance, although the Klan took over Denver and the State House in the 1920’s. (fuck you, DW Griffith)
Unfortunately, Colorado has also been a magnet for the GOP Neo-Racists like Beauprez and Tancredo and Musgrave — the NeoKlan lives, in the Kolorado GOP.
May all of the hate merchant GOoPers be sent packing, come November . . .