After only agreeing to one debate before the Democratic party primary (which he lost), Turncoat Joe Lieberman is now whining at the top of his lungs that he wants to participate in debates.
Sen. Joe Lieberman called on the four other candidates in the hotly contested U.S. Senate race Thursday to meet next week and agree to a debate schedule.
Lieberman, who lost the Democratic primary to businessman Ned Lamont and is now running as an independent, sent letters to Lamont, Republican Alan Schlesinger, Green Party candidate Ralph Ferrucci and Concerned Citizens candidate Timothy Knibbs.
"Voters are eager to know what we will do to solve the problems affecting their daily lives," Lieberman wrote in his letter. He also said the candidates have an opportunity to set "a high standard for a new politics of civil engagement."
Most of the other candidates have already said they’re willing to debate.
When asked about the third-party request for debate participation, Tom Swan, campaign manager for Ned Lamont replied:
"Debates are a good thing, and in addition to the traditional debates between the Democratic and Republican candidates, we’ll fight to include minor parties like Connecticut for Lieberman."
I thought it was particularly magnanimous of Swan and of Ned Lamont to be supportive of Joe Lieberman’s minor party quest to participate in a debate. Of course, there is still that nagging question of Turncoat Joe’s de facto Republican candidate status. But that’s apparently been resolved by Joe’s placement on the ballot in November: he’ll be on line five, party of one — Connecticut for Lieberman’s Big Ego.
One does have to question the strategic thinking of Lieberman asking for debateS (plural). Honestly, the more I see of Joe Lieberman, the more I think of that rasping whine of fingernails on a chalkboard. Or the incessant, highpitched whining of the dentist’s drill right before it digs in to a cavity. Or perhaps that low-pitched whine of a mosquito just after it has pierced your arm and left you with an itchy welt that irritates for days on end. Or…well, just a lot of whining.
Connecticut voters have shown a tendency to have the same reaction to an overexposure of Turncoat Joe, and if I were working on his campaign, I might recommend less exposure of my candidate lest the entire state come down with a horrid case of Lieberman-itis.
Which is why, as a Lamont supporter, I’m saying, "Heckuva job, Turncoat Joe. Keep up the whining — it’s you. Just keep on being yourself." After all, it worked so well for you in the primary. (oops…just ignore that last bit…)
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Olbermann!
I also find it interesting that Lamont-Lieberman did not get chosen for MTP debates from now till November. Why not?
Ned First!
kirby at 2 — they only do the Republican and Democratic candidates on the show. Lieberman is his own little party now, so he wouldn’t have been included. And since the race already got quite a bit of coverage in the primaries, I think they decided to spotlight other races that haven’t gotten as much teevee coverage. That would be my guess, anyway, based on the races that I have seen included.
http://www.CT4Joe2006.com
kirby @
2
I think you’re right. They should DEFINITELY have the two candidates for this race debating on MTP pronto. It’s one of the most hotly contested seats in the Senate.
And I have no doubt both Ned and Alan Schlessinger would say yes.
Christy, the quote that you posted from Swan (which I liked) does not seem to appear in the article that you linked to (although the article does have a similar quote from another Lamont staff person). What is your source? Thanks.
will Ned take debate?
Just curious,does anyone know how was joe to third party candidates in previous elections, did he fight to have them included in debates or keep them out?
Heh, heh, heh. Being a smart ass is not a bad thing in a campaign manager.
one or two more debates with Ned and Joe will be toast… burnt toast…
In addition to supporting Democrat Joe
They Shot the Wrong Lincoln
By Ann Coulter
Thursday, August 31, 2006
Lieberman over Republican Alan Schlesinger in Connecticut, President Bush is supporting the Democrat over the Republican in Rhode Island, too. In the Republican primary, Bush supports Lincoln Chafee — who votes with Bush on the important issues less often than Sen. Lieberman does — over the only actual Republican in the race, Stephen Laffey.
Apart from Bush, the only person who hasn’t figured out that Lincoln Chafee is a Democrat is Lincoln Chafee. As the expression goes, if Chafee switched parties, the average IQ on both sides of the aisle would go up.
read the rest here if it hasn’t been posted…
http://www.townhall.com/Column…..ng_lincoln
*xyz at 7 — I had a source close to the campaign in Connecticut who heard Swan say it. :) Someone that I would trust to get the quote down accurately. (And, in reading the article, I saw that the Lamont campaign spokesperson said something very similar as well.)
Thanks Christy!
UptownNYChick at 9 — I did a quick search, but haven’t found any direct quotes from Lieberman on that. But I’m going to keep looking. If anyone has the time, and finds anything, I’d love to see it.
*has a nearly-platonic-crush on Tom Swan*
Christy Hardin Smith @ 15
I am nexising it as we speak, but does anyone remember who the third-party VP candidate was in 2000?
UptownNYChick @ 9
Fought to keep them out. IIRC, didn’t want Nader or his running mate included in debates in 2000. Hoist the f****r on his own petard, says I. Exclude him.
I will watch Pumpkinhead.
It will be good to see the good democratic brethren of Heracles first behead and then flame the Hydras from the riiight.
Lots of popcorn!
Christy, thanks for posting during family hours……..
Nader’s VP candidate was LaDuke.
Isn’t one of the candidates in jail from the 2000 election?
Uptownchick at 9 – I looked around. The best I could find thus far was a stray comment on the subject at Kos. Here is a link:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/8/23/12287/7925
Should be interesting to hear what Lieberman’s position on the Iraq invasion and occupation is now. It’s so fluid. I expect to hear him calling for a time certain for withdrawal. No dubt Ned’s team is getting together a time line of Joe’s position on Iraq, yes?
Old Sow at 20 — I had some outage issues earlier, so Jane and I had to switch around a bit. We’re getting a bit of the early tentacles of the tropical storm remnants, and are supposed to be getting them for the next couple of days. (Hopefully with less interruption…)
Here’s the full comment from Kos:
Lieberman says: Exclude Third Parties From Debate (2 / 0-)
Recommended by:Oxy Moron, CenterLeft
During the 2000 presidential race, Lieberman opposed including Third Party Candidates in the presidential and vice-presidential debates. (I suppose he was scared of having to debate Harvard Law Alum and Native American activist Winona LaDuke? Or worried it would detract from his chance to “bond” with Cheney).
Sorry I don’t have a cite handy, but if anyone can find it, it might be useful to point out that in the past, he thought that anyone who is not a Democrat or a Republican deserves to be excluded from debates…
by Reb Kaplan on Wed Aug 23, 2006 at 06:14:29 PM PDT
[ Parent ]
What I’d love to see is an outside party (MoveOn?) prepare a commercial that starts out with a mosquito buzzing in the dark, then a voice-over saying “I hate that whining noise” then have it morph into Lieberman droning on unintelligibly. End with the voice-over again “We need to get rid of it.”
Should be a 15 second spot. Cheap to make and inexpensive to place frequently.
CHS…()If you’re getting the storm, we probably won’t….thanks anyway, hon, you’re the best!!
astralplame @ 16
Get in line, honey.
Old Sow at 20 — I think what we are getting at the moment is a front that got pushed into the area from the pressure of the hurricane/tropical storm. We were originally supposed to have a very clear weekend, but today has been off and on rain and wind. And they are now calling for rain for the next couple of days, anyway.
UptownNYChick @
9
You know that’s a very good question. Anyone have an answer? It would be sweet if he actively tried to keep third party candidates out of debates in the past.
Winona LaDuke was Nader’s running mate. She’s currently living on the White Earth Reservation in Minnesota and a strong advocate for native people and women’s issues. A Harvard graduate, too.
You should be able to google her, Christy.
Never mind…I was thinking of this guy:
Giordano, a three-term Waterbury mayor, had also served as a Connecticut state representative and was the Republican challenger against popular incumbent Senator Joseph Lieberman in 2000. The child sex charges surfaced in 2001, during a federal corruption investigation into Giordano’s administration. He was accused of taking kickbacks involving city contracts, making him Waterbury’s third consecutive mayor to end up in court and the second to go to prison.
http://www.corruptionchronicle…..ay_up.html
ccmask @ 22
Too bad it isn’t Bush.
I agree with you about the debates, Redd. I think that Joe can only lose. Ned has a steady commentary about how his candidacy is not just about the war. He has a lot to talk about. Joe has nothing to talk about; ergo, he will whine.
I wonder if Joe will absolutely tank in one debate. If that happens, maybe some of these Senate fence sitters will get off the fence and nudge him out of the race.
Maybe if Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton go to see him, his ego will be salved.
This nitwit better not cost us four seats in the House. It should be made clear to him by the powers of the party that he will be persona non grata at any Democratic gathering if his continued ego stroking costs us those seats.
And Hillary is not about to debate her anti-Iraq/Bush War, pro-labor opponent Tasini in New York. She’s afraid to. The Senator is worried that New Yorkers might suspect she’s hoodwinking them. Which of course, she is. Hillary is as cunning as Rove. I just detest the idea that in 2008, for me, it will be either vote for Clinton, or don’t vote. It’s a form of disenfranchisement if the Democrat big wigs force the Senator down our Democratic throats.
egregious @ 29
I am willing to wait . . .
Thanks xyz. Good find.
Darkblack around? Munch’s The Scream was found, but no one could decide if it was a sunrise or a sunset…
egregious @ 29
I’m in line!
Is Bob Shrum a fascist? No, Shrum is a Vichy Democrat.
-GSD
Christy Hardin Smith @ 25
Oh, the storm is coming alright. I’m already decked out in my mackintosh and my boots.
Let the hurricane begin!!
Actually, ccmask, there was Lyndon LaRouche…perennial candidate and felon.
egregious @ 39
Can’t wait for the argument over Starry Night.
OT: Santorum and Casey are slated to be on Meet The Press Sunday… Can’t wait
BTW, are CT voters still getting robocalls, or does that only happen close to election time? Joe’s robocalls were a huge turnoff for the CT voters I talked to. That whiny voice, and all…
I’d like to be a candidate for something someday, but I have no felony convictions and there are no warrants out for my arrest. Does this disqualify me?
The Party of Ann Coulter is calling people fascists. That is funny.
-GSD
apropos of Lieberman too, Munch did a Kiss too
So how does JL portray himself in such a debate, and to whom is he appealing? He has spent the last two weeks getting GOP endorsements, campaigning with Repubs, soliciting GOP money, appearing on rightwing shows, being praised/supported by every national Republican (including some of the most unpopular in the country), all under the apparent assumption that he can get enough Repub votes, plus enough pro-war Indies, plus the remaining pro-war/pro-Israel Dems to beat Lamont.
The problem is, that’s a losing strategy if you alienate too many Dems of all stripes, anti-war or not, and too many moderate Indies, and too many anti-war Repubs to have a winning coalition.
If he goes on a public debate, he’ll get hammered for his flip-flogs on “timetables” and his disloyalty to principle. He can’t move back to the left, because the Republican candidate will get equal time in the debate and could start to gain Republican support, or at least Republicans will lose incentives to show up in November. And if he tries to hold on the far right, as Lamont will probably force him to defend, he loses the remaining Dems except for hard core war advocates. The questions directed at JL will remind voters that he’s changed positions on issues that he said he’d hold to as a matter of principle.
Instead of walking in with a lot of credibility, he’ll be walking into a public forum in which he’s forced to defend what was once portrayed as his principal attraction. And he’s going to have to defend (or distance himself from) every Rummy/Bush estreme, “fascist” comment the Bushies have used in the last two weeks. “Senator, do you agree with President Bush that . . . [fill in the blank]?”
So what is a plausible strategy? Because this is not the same polished incumbent vs inexperienced new comer matchup we had in the first debate.
shrum is a wordsmith acc to Norah.
yep, and not too good at it, either.
Ol’ Grit brings up Islamofascism. She says dems are in disarray.
nope, we are not!
hiya, scarecrow– missed you!
Meanwhile, it seems like CNN has had Chris Shays on every day this week but I haven’t seen Diane Farrell once. How can this be allowed?
OT but funny — today I was doing some oppo research on a local GOP candidate who is running as “a nice guy” and discovered 2 battery w/injury arrests in 1991. The domestic violence court ended up dismissing the case during the divorce…
“A nice guy”
Dan @ 35 This nitwit better not cost us four seats in the House…
Three I think. But point well taken.
Moi at 42, a little egr humor for you Glenn/Patriot fans.
Haven’t found a Lieberman quote yet about third-party and debates, but it seems in the 2000 Prez. debate, Nader actually got a ticket to the debate and was physically removed when hetried to talk to the press and I didn’t see Joe stand up for him…
Maybe we could email Nader and get a quote about that?
joe4joe debating, read this and weep (or puke) or both;
http://tinyurl.com/hehsv
BTW, gurneyjoe4gurneyjoe comments about his caring for “the health or life of the mother”.
Yeah. Right. Joe.
Q: Has 4joe4joe played a ‘unique role in the Middle-East’?
Bonus do a search on the word ‘fact’. eesh.
So much joe4joe, so little time.
I’ll end this comment with this morsel of joe;
“Sen. Lieberman: Bernie, you’re absolutely right. There’s too much partisanship in Washington. It puzzles me. You know, you’d think that people in public life and politics would want to do what would make them popular. And yet, too often people in both parties seem to act in a way that brings down the institutions of government and each of us individually, and it’s a shame. I have tried very hard in my career to call them as I see them and work with colleagues on both sides of the aisle to get things done. And I’m proud of my record in that regard, and I certainly think that would be an asset that I could bring to the vice presidency, should I be fortunate enough to be elected. I mean, in my Senate career I’ve worked with Bob Dole, for instance, on Bosnia, and I worked with John McCain on cultural values. I worked with Connie Mack on foreign policy. I worked with Don Nickles on the International Religious Freedom Act. If I go on much longer, I’m going to get in trouble with my own party.(LAUGHTER) But the fact is that’s the way thing get done, and I’m proud of those partnerships.”
Fade
to
sunset.
scarecrow 50
I agree. I think Joe’s painting himself into a corner. Alienating Dems, trying to appease Reps who still probably think he’s too liberal for the most part, and confusing Indies while besmirching his one asset – his “goodguy” image. When he’s finally perceived as the rat he truly is, it will be all over.
Interesting. I’ve always thought that the lesser-known challenger, usually behind in the polls, needing some free publicity and some sparks, is the one who pushes the powerful incumbent for a debate. I certainly pushed for Mr. Lamont to debate LiarMan months ago. And now LiarMan comes, hat in hand, wanting debates.
Oooook. Then fine. I suggest that Mr. Swan set up negotiations. Only…on Swan’s terms. On Swan’s dates, on his format, with media he approves, and under rules and procedures he approves. In essence, Swan says to LiarMan: you want to debate? Fine. Here’s the way it’s gonna be….
Swan/Lamont have the upper hand. Use it.
Ghostman
UptownNYChick @ 9
and at 55
Rolling Stone did a piece on Joe before the 2000 election. Joe said:
Joe Lieberman: Foe of Third-Party Politics
“I ask those who are thinking about voting for Ralph Nader to decide how they feel — how George Bush feels — about protecting the environment, protecting consumers, protecting a woman’s right to choose, because all of those may well be in jeopardy if George Bush is elected president.” — Joe Lieberman, October 2000
“For Republicans to be putting Ralph Nader on television in a paid ad, certainly might lead your average observer to be cynical.” –Joe Lieberman rejecting GOP support for spoiler candidates, October 2000
“A vote for Nader is a vote for Bush,” — Joe Lieberman, September 2000
I posted on it August 11
“When asked about the third-party request for debate participation…”
No, no, no.
“Tied for third-party”
HopeSpringsATurtle @ 59
excellent!!!
LindaR @ 52
Our Media Overlords are going to take note if you ask too many questions and send you for Readjustment, LindaR – don’t forget, “CNN is the kindest, gentlest, most decent network I have ever watched.”
Hi, angie — Got lost; was supposed to report to some corn field on the south 40 and wound up in Kansas.
::;bowing to Uptown::::
Joe must be relieved, help is on the way: Al D’Amato and Ed Koch (yeah, he’s still alive) support Lieberman.
moeman @ 56
Fade
to
sunset
No No No No, it’s definitely a sunrise!
Way EPU’d:
Mommybrain @
146
Mmmm Mmmm…Waffles… Not just for sunrise anymore.
;>)
LOL, scarecrow! How are Auntie Em and Toto and Dorothy, et al anyhoo?
gag, Katherine H. on teevee.
HSAT 59
Update:
A vote for Lieberman is a vote for Bush. And a vote for Stevens and Coburn and Frist and Cheney.
not that this would necessarily be a good idea – after I thought about the sunset ad for a while, about how cheap and amateurish it was, it seemed like it was almost trying to characterize Sen. Lieberman as underdog, naive and authentic. This debate stunt might be part of something along those lines. Would they actually try recharacterize an 18 yr. incumbent as a D.C. outsider?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 36
Why thank you for bring up Tasini, Oklahoma Kiddo. Here is another issue where he speaks out clear and proud, unlike the equivocating, triangulating Hillary.
New York Democrats, you too can vote for this ballsy candidate to take over Hillary Clinton’s seat in the September 12th primary.
*ilson46201 @ 53
See that hilarious new hit from the Verily Bros — Opposite Day!
Think Bill Murray meets Kindergarten Cop! — It’s Opposite Day!
Whatever those wacky operatives from the GOP say, the opposite is true! War is Peace! Freedom is Slavery! Ignorance is Strength!
Who’s your NAZI? Oh, wait — remember, it’s Opposite Day!
See it now in a few select campaigns. Opens wide after Labor Day.
Wow. We took Olbermann’s book from #19,000 to #99 today on Amazon.
Thanks everyone.
Conventional wisdom says that the challenger supports debates as a way of increasing visibility and credibility, showing that they can go to toe with the incumbent. CW has little to say when the “challenger” is the incumbent. In these cases, the problem is not getting the message out. The message is already out there and that’s the problem. What Joe is trying to do now is change it or at least muddy the waters.
Ghostman @ 58
Great point, Ghostman. As I recall, in the first debate Ned was put in a position where he could not address the audience and his opponent at the same time.
Katherine Harris is in the process of making Jennifer “Runaway Bride” Wilbanks seem like an absolutely sane and sober person.
-GSD
Why invite Lieberman to a debate at all?
It is not in the tradition of Fall debates to invite the losers of primaries in for inclusion. If there is a Communist Party nominee in Connecticut, he/she has more of a right to be invited to a debate than Joe Lieberman, a man who invented his party of one for vanity’s sake in a desperate and pitiful attempt to hold onto something that belongs to the people of Connecticut.
If he doesn’t want to follow the rules, then he can sit on the sidelines. Invite Schlesinger, Lamont and any other actual winners of primaries, or anyone else who won their party’s consensus to run under their party line.
And by consensus, I mean more than just Joe and Hadassah Lieberman. Seriously, fuck him already! He’s a loser.
campaigns or managers don’t matter… kathy sez
riggght.
Pissed in NYC @ 65
Really Old Party Hacks for Joe!!
Here’s the Rolling Stone article, I pulled the Jo-Lie quote from:
http://www.rollingstone.com/nationalaffairs/?p=409
Hope — you are fantastic. Thanks.
Hey The Nefarious Leslie! Where are you going to be Sept 15?
Hey darkblack I’ve got one for ya at 39.
Jane Hamsher @ 73
Which reminds me:
Did we all write our letters and emails to KO and MSNBC congratulating them on airing some of the best news commentary in decades? They need (especially the MSNBC brass) to hear it.
Kathy sez that she’s gonna bring a guide dog puppy with her on her first day in her office.
she’s gonna need a guide dog for that face and her silicone buddies.
CCMask @ 12:
If Chafee switched parties, the average IQ on both sides of the aisle would go DOWN.
Sorry for your loss Uptown. Be well.
The article is atmy comment @80
astralplame @ 70
Why not, that’s what the latest DeWine ad tries to do. THEY’VE GOT NOTHING.
Norah: Congresswoman Katherine Harris thanks for stepping out of the haze of fantasy to share your creepy and unrealistic vision of how things in the world would be under a religious theocracy.
-GSD
1,267 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
GSD:
“…No, Schrum is a Vichy Democrat.”
Absolutely right on!! I met the bastard in Boston when I was in graduate school (yes, I was in graduate school in Boston but don’t hold that against me)and he was coachin’ the Harvard debate team (at least accordin to the slimeball who introduced me.) I washed my hands 3 times and then made sure my then 3 year-old was kept upstairs while Schrum was in the house. He is, in my opinion, slick as greased owl manure and jest as toxic if ya swallow any of the shit he dishes out.
KEEP THE FAITH AND REMEMBER THE KIDS IN IRAQ, THAT’S WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT!!!
It sure would be nice if Joe didn’t have the NARAL endorsement to trumpet during the debate. And you know he’ll milk that one to death. :(
angie @ 85
actually Ms. Harris is bringing her puppy so that when visitors arrive shouting they want to see the damn bitch, Katherine can smile sweetly and point to the doggie…
I wish we could all just get along,,,but then we wouldn’t be progressives. Is that right..errr I mean correct?
Mattafak, I’m listening to it again right now! (Olbermann’s wonderful editorial) You can get to the YouTube by clicking on my name.
Keith Olbermann, hero.
Schrum=beltway compost.
-GSD
NorskeFlamethrower
When was Shrum coaching the Harvard debate team?
Christopher Hitchens’ liver is on Hardball.
-GSD
bleach and blech!!!!!!!!
Hitchens on with Nora.
GSD @ 97
what liver?
I realize the ‘ins and outs’ of debates. That debating is not good for incumbents and so forth. But is it possible that somehow NOT debating serves democracy better than debating? If this is the case, I need to be shown the light.
immanentize @ 79
Skanky hack Santorum’s got HoJo’s back!
http://santorumexposed.com/ser…..agedy.html
GSD @ 76
What you mean “in the process”?
astralplame @ 70
I’m as non-religious as they come, but tonight I’ll pray to any diety who’ll listen that they’re dumb enough to try something like that.
Repositioning a product/candidate is never easy, but the thought of Huck Lieberman, Country Boy Lost Inside the Beltway gives me goosebumps. Hell, I’d send him campaign contributions to get that stance in the media. Which isn’t to say that you’re at all off-target. That’s what panic can do to people.
Playing keep up with the posts today so please pardon any repetition. I hope team Ned insists on a different moderation team (than the preprimary) in any future dabate! Scleshinger (sp?) and Ned only, should have one final debate imo.
hehe
The October Surprise will be a massive missile assault on Iran in late October.
-GSD
*ilson46201 @ 99
You don’t want to know. Trust me.
OK Kiddo — a debate with Imhofe and Ted Stevens would be a forceful argument against ever electing Senators …
J. P. Spencer @ 77
He should have thought about that before the primary…
Eureka Springs:
I agree! (fixed yer spelling, I think) :)
al-Scooter @ 103
Just watched the late edition of Hardball – Katherine Harris interview (thanks for the head’s up, early birds).
1. I’m going to call her Nora O’Donnell as long as she keeps doing solid interviews like that one.
2. Lord knows, I can sympathize with a woman’s battle against gravity, but jeepers, KH’s neck looks 20 years older than her face.
3. Every stupid remark that KH is on record as saying that Nora called her on, KH claimed she didn’t say it or didn’t mean it. Pathetic lying sack of poop.
GSD @ 105
I wonder if that wouldn’t seal the deal for Democrats i.e., “Get these crazy muthas outta here NOW!!”
do you really think a debate with Schlesinger is in the cards? I wouldn’t bet on it!
John Dean on KO later.
2 great men!
John Dean on KO!!!
1,267 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Cleter:
According to the guy who introduced me (who was coachin’ a debate team accross the Charles River from Harvard) Schrummie was coachin 1976-78. But I believed none a what the guy who introduced us said and only half a what he showed me.
KEEP THE FAITH AND DON’T LET ‘EM UP UNTIL AFTER NOVEMBER!!
photoshoppin’
LindaR @ 82
Hey LindaR! Probably listening to a certain former ambassador, you sponsor you. ;) Can I get in if I’m broke, though?
oh, KO opens as big as he ended last nite!
{{{{{{{{{{{smack}}}}}}}}}}}}}
*ilson46201 @ 113
It’d certainly take the Gold !
The Nefarious Leslie @ 118
Where there is a will . . .
JCB is absolutely right that Lieberman should have thought about being included in debates before the primary. OT Can we send the republicans dictionaries???? Similar to the rubber stamps, but a big one for the pres and cheapo ones for the repubs. We could highlight the definition of ANARCHY.
It would be pretty funny if Schlesinger repeated his “Joey Two Times” crack in the debate. hehe.
The Republican thinking, I believe is, if we (Repubs) can beat back a Democrat take-back of Congress this fall, then we will begin to blow up Iran. And this will lay the ground work for the election of a winger president in 2008. But of course the fly in the ointment is that the Democrats are going to sweep the upcoming elections.
he played the to-to-to-tali-to-ta-ry-an-is-m thing!
ROTFLMAO!
To-to-totalitarians are very eck-a-leck-tick.
-GSD
Babs Boxer on KO
Thanks Norske 116.
I was wondering if I had met him, but that was before my time.
GSD @ 126
Do to-to-totalitarians come from Kansas and wear ruby slippers? Just wondering.
Line 5, eh? Here’s another possibility: Include a butterfly section on the CT ballot and put Jojo’s name next to Schlesinger’s with the punchholes a long ways off. Better yet, draw a maze between the two.
Given his polymourphous perversity, he’d have a hard time claiming votes from Schlesinger based on voter intent: no chads would show a whit of difference between the two.
This would also give Jojo a chance to show, on his own account, the magnanimity in defeat he displayed in 2000 on behalf of Al Gore.
new doo Boxer. makeover intro tonite on KO.
angie @ 115
While we’re on the subject of John Dean, how about a round of appreciation for his wife, the lovely Maureen. Without her encouraging her boyfriend, later husband, to speak up for the truth and sticking by him no matter the consequences, I wonder how Watergate may have turned out.
As they say, behind every great man…
I should have explained that Bush needs to understand that his policies of bomb them now and see what happens lead to Anarchy.
Yay Maureen Dean!!!!!!
angie @ 131
She can have new doos for the next century. She can put brillo pads on her head for all I care. Until she actively supports Ned, to atone for her HoJo support, she is dead to me.
OT For Jane and Christy- can you please check out the mod coms? There is something screwy going on with the spam filter (still). VG
Babs Boxer – “If there’s no threat because we’re fighting them over there, then why do they keep scaring us over here?”
Boxer is discussing pigs in connection with Rumsfeld on Olbermann. Pigs I’ve heard it said are quite sharp. Though I don’t know how that conclusion is arrived at. I like pigs in fact. They’re not hypocritical. I don’t like The Secretary of Defense. He’s not sharp and he’s a hypocrite. Give me a hog any day.
Rick B @
27
Maybe they could replace Ric Ocasek’s face in to part of this video that begins at 2:00. :)
egregious @
83
Hi, egregious.
Ah, the Norwegian art caper…I remember it well.
;>)
cleter, we aim to please, your photoshopping will help.
Dear or alive, Boxer is doing a much better job tonight responding on KO than Shrum or Senator Jack what’isname did with Norah.
The Boxer person seems to be getting it. So what’s with the Hill?
Kurt– agreed!
but the new doo may make her fight more better after her spa vaca…
she actually does ok tonight… actually very good.
let’s see what tomorrow brings.
thanks to all the folks who supported him today after last nite from the lovely KO!
“if we don’t win the battle against the terrorists in the streets of Baghdad then we’ll have to fight them in our streets here”
LANDING CRAFT APPROACHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LANDING CRAFT APPROACHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dear God, everyone along the shores of Virginia TAKE COVER! Al Queda landing craft approaching! General Quarters.
Ghostman
Did I hear that right? KO says he’s going to redo his statement at the end of tonight’s program. MSNBC must have gotten lots of positive feedback.
Adding my voice. I was very, very disappointed in Boxer in her support of Lie-berman. But MAN, she kicked ever lovin’ but on NPR and on Olbermann. YOU GO! Nice job. Now, support Lamont, and keep out there.
And Boxer really needs to support Lamont. Like go to Connecticut and do the deed Senator!
immanentize @
79
Add Jack Kemp. Four washed up pols. What at team! The piece de resistance will be when Bob Dole signs up. Average age, what…72? Call it the Gerontology Party. In a way it is at once fitting and revealing that Joe needs help from these guys who were possibly relevant 20 years ago (Koch was a good mayor) but out of touch today.
Think Sunset ads.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 143
Babs aint running for Preznit
If Swan has the upper hand in setting the terms for the debate, he should insist that each participant’s party affiliation be displayed prominantly on-screen whenever he or she speaks.
Also, the party affiliation of each debater should be on their respective individual lecturns.
I want to see that “Connecticut for Lieberman” listed right there for all to see!
And I want everyone to know who the real Democrat in the debate is.
orangejumpsuit @ 149
Lowell Weicker could whup them all with one leg tied behind his back…
orangejumpsuit @ 149
Maybe Joe can snag Gerald Ford! (Is he still alive?)
No debates with Lieberman! Exclude him and watch him whine.
Rocky Rocks!!
Rocky Anderson. My kind of leader!!!
Rocky Anderson rocks.
yee hah– Rocky the Rock!
is that the Kremlin behind Rocky?
Rocky Anderson for President!
Wow, Rocky Anderson just gave the entire Dem leadership a lesson in . . . leadership.
I’ll bet he’ll make a prominent speech at the next Democratic Party convention.
VG at 136 — I’m stumped — arrrrgh.
He is really cool…
I loved his thanks to KO for his commentary, “It was inspiring”
Wow.
astralplame @ 37
I was going to join the Swan line, but I think I’ve just fallen in love with Rocky Anderson, the mayor of Salt Lake City. Zowie.
*ilson46201 @ 150
New Yorkers vote Jonathan Tasini on September 12th – give Hillary time to calibrate her positions for 2008. Tasini states his progressive positions sans equivocation.
scarecrow @ 161
Where’s that been these last few years?
Hey, Dem candidates: Do what Rocky Anderson just did.
on to Oddball, and KO says i don’t have a rummy moment everynite, ok?
(paraphrased)
more emails heading his way from me.
Rocky even thanked Keith for his statement about Rumsfeld. Rocky said it was inspirational …
*ilson46201 @ 159
That’s the Mormon Tabernacle you dummy hehe. (there may be some other more formal official name, I dunno I’m a gentile).
I*ilson46201 @
168
Long time, no see… grace is so little used and oh, so powerful.
Kurt @ 169
you’re preaching to the Chorus here …
Rocky links?
OMG did you guys just see oddball item the sock monkey “macaca” dress?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/4…..251859130/
Rummy’s only 5-7? Napoleon with coke-bottle glasses.
Kurt @ 169
Din’t see it but maybe the temple? The tabernacle is more like a concert venue.
Dru @ 173
Looked like something Angela would have designed. But she was AUF’ed, hooray!
I’d be tempted to tell Joe what Dems and Reps told Perot back in ‘94….you don’t have enough national standing to partipitate in debates where candidates from 2 national parties are participating.
I remember that…..when the ‘Big 2′ froze out the 3rd-party contender, on the excuse that he lacked sufficient standing (or national support….I’m going from memory here, so be nice). Granted, Perot was and is a gadfly, but it would certainly have spiced up what was otherwise a deadly boring affair.
In this case, though, Lieber-loser would supply an unnecessary distraction to the necessary Dem/Rep debate, and IMO serve to confuse the issues the other 2 are trying to present…..
And in honor of the Master’s return to its rightful place:
Scream 2 – Sunset Semester
;>)
the interesting thing about Rocky Anderson’s speech, yesterday, is that there was so much detail, and he covered so many issues and linked them all together — as though he follows this stuff as closely as . . . uh, fdl-ers. But he doesn’t look like a “rabid, venomous . . . “
Did anyone read the last David Brooks? He complained that when the State Dept guy was revealed as the 1st Plame source, none of the liberal bloggers said boo, because he’s a good guy, and not Cheney/Libby etc. Brooks never bothered to check his facts, such as reading CHS, or emptywheel, or . . .
op99 @ 175
It was the big church, whatever that one is called. I drove past it once when I was there, didn’t have time to play tourist…but it was a beautiful building.
Kurt @ 176
Who do you like for the final 3? I got Jeffery, Michael, and Laura.
Christy- added a few comments about this problem to mod commentary- as I said I couldn’t figure it out either. This appears to be some new “feature” of the revised WP, and it probably needs to be addressed by a WP expert.
darkblack @ 178
He looks like the kid in Home Alone!
The Nefarious Leslie — if you want to go to the Joe Wilson event, check your email –
Dru @ 173
I want one! pleeeze?
astralplame @ 183
Left his marbles on the floor, too
;>)
Kurt @ 180
If it had a big Moroni on top, it’s the temple. Even most Mormons can’t get inside there.
Keith is not gonna give up if we all support him.
Thank you MSNBC!
Unrelenting tonite for the majority of Americans who still think about stuff (yay) and their stoopid brothers and sisters.
LindaR @ 121
There’s a Yay. :)
Morris Sheppard @ 132
What kind of light, 1970cs?
op99 @ 187
I went to a tour of the new temple in the Sacramento area last week. It, indeed, has a big Moroni on the top. My real estate agent who’s been a family friend forever knows I’m an atheist, but she also knows I’m interested in religion so I got the invite. It was very interesting.
Notice that on Countdown tonight, the serious political commentary part of the program is lasting twice as long as usual — this thing has given KO some juice. So when folks head over to give some bravos to KO and MSNBC, you might compliment that for that.
Now the non-serious parts start.
Someone once told me all the street names in Slat Lake (which are numbers) tell that street’s location in relation to the temple. I wonder if all mormon towns laid out that way, too. To their own temple, that is.
When he was Nixon’s attorney very manipulative only looking out for his own self interest(not to put to fine a point on it) jerk.
I don’t take ‘Silent Coup’ as gospel, but interesting.
op99 @ 181
(Please pardon the OT geekery hehe)
It’s so hard to pick, these last one’s are all such good designers.
Vincent – My pick for next elimination, but he actually has a thriving business designing for the red carpet right now.
Uli – Love her to death, but all of her dresses are riotous prints. It gets old.
Kayne – Love him to death too hehe…but I fear his “white trashiness” might be his undoing. (his words)
Laura – Actively dislike her, but she’s a great designer. Unfortunately, all of her outfits look pretty much the same. Yawn.
Jeffrey – Great designer, but there’s bound to be a formal gown challenge, and will his style translate? Not sure.
Michael – Love him, great designer, nothing negative at all about him.
If I had to pick the final 3, I’d guess Michael, Jeffrey, and Kayne.
LindaR @ 192
So far, off the top of my head, that’s you, me, *ilson, TeddySanFran. Can’t think of who else.
Re a debate: Ned has the advantage in not having held national office so there is little there for Joe to attack, except Ned’s money. If he attacks Ned’s stance on Iraq he is going heavily against CT war-weariness.
OTOH, Joe has had 18 years worth of record to be attacked on.
Can’t undertand why Joe would want a debate under these circumstances unless he is desperate. Usually it is the incumbent who refuses to debate. Were I Ned, I would play hard to get for a while, string Joe out, get under his skin, but do my homework anyway.
And then demand the middle lectern among the five as the price for agreeing. Hey, it’s Joe who’s asking for the debate, right?
just checked my email and found this from dru:
I would suggest he Lamonts rather than Laments.
http://santorumexposed.com/ser…..agedy.html
Conrad Burns is the worst person in the worldn tonite!!!
Mommybrain @ 194
Well, I appreciate it, makes navigation a snap.
Kurt @ 196
I prefer Kayne to Laura, but they won’t have all guys, IMO.
Kurt 176; You must be talking Project Runway…? I haven’t watched this season, although I admit to following season 1 closely -my one and only reality show watching experience; loved the corn husk dress.
Hey Angie; thanks for posting that! although I already did :)
Hey all,
Trying to catch up, so forgive if this was addressed.
Did anyone catch Boxer use HolyJoe’s “nations peril” quote against Rummy? – AS A REASON TO FIRE HIM!
Rummy insinuates it – Fire him
HolyJoe says it – CAMPAIGN FOR HIM.
What doublespeak. Un-fucking-believable.
Fire them Both (Mrummy/Liebs)- They’re identical. And kick boxer in the ass.
Christy–you’ve got your bug facts wrong. The male mosquito whines “come here you sexy she mosquito, I’ve got a blood meal all staked out for you so we can get it on and you can make our precious little mosquito babies.” The female mosquito bites, mates and makes babies. But she does not whine.
Angie regarding the book smearing Dean:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent_Coup
It was described as one of “the most boring conspiracy books ever written” filled with “wild charges and vilifications” by The Washington Post. The New York Times Book Review said the book showed “a stunning ignorance of how the Government under Mr. Nixon operated.”
In 1992, John Dean filed a defamation suit against St. Martin’s Press, which was settled years later
Ellen @ 204
Jes’ lahk pipples. ;)
darkblack @ 178
Darkblack, that is absolutely wonderful.
i thought his ballot designation was going to be Lieberman con-lie
I remember when the big Mormon Temple was newly constructed between Washington DC and Baltimore and you could see it from the beltway. A huge white glowing monstrosity. They opened it to the public for one day and then replaced all the carpet that the dirty heathens had soiled (to the tune of millions iirc). This was at least 25 years ago.
Then the funniest thing. Someone somehow got on a freeway overpass and spray painted in black “Surrender Dorothy” in huge letters as you’d pass the temple. Hysterical!
Althought the mormons supposedly keep all the records of our family trees and I think that’s pretty cool, all in all…
op99 @ 197
Me – although I usually describe myself as a Unitarian, which I am. Since very few people in the South ever seem to have heard of Unitarians, they just shut up.
Dru @ 202
Season 3 has been WAAAAAY better than the previous seasons. Watch them if you get the chance Dru. Bravo is showing the reruns all the time right now.
When it comes to passing off a sunset as a sunrise, Letter from Here was a model of full disclosure. Contrast the Joe Lieberman campaign. And what prompted Dan Gerstein to call it a sunrise in the first place was probably nothing more complicated than a tendency to shoot from the hip coupled with a reflexive tendency to contradict anything the Lamont camp says.
BarbaraB @ 210
I thought it was cool that RevDeb “invited” me to UU church & said a lot of atheists belong, and the motivation for them is the social side of it. I’ll still pass though, lol.
Kurt @ 211
I concur. The challenges have been very cool, really lets true creativity shine through.
You guys know there is a new thread, right? *g*
Jenny from the Blog @ 209
The first time I ever saw it, I thought “wow, what a great big chess trophy!”
I was going to add more color to that vignette, but I’ve changed my mind.
Dru @ 205
The fact that the Post panned this book, and that Woodward is one of the public faces of the Post is not surprising.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 215
We don’t really care. :)
Jenny from the Blog @ 209
Hilarious.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 215
Just when I’m finally relaxing and gettin’ into it, THEY CHANGE THE UNIVERSE ON ME!!!
*sniff*
Project Runway is terrific. I haven’t watched last night’s yet. Between that and Top Chef, I learned a lot about two industries I knew very little about.
Regarding debates here in CT — the questioner is the key. We all love JoAnn Nesti here in CT — but she let Lieberman walk all over her, Ned, the format, etc. We need somebody from the media who is not in Lieberman’s pocket, or not terrified at the thought of losing access to challenge that crap and make him answer the questions. Otherwise, he’ll flibuster like he did the last time. That’s my worry.
The reason I was surprised Timmeh had not set up a CT Senate debate was because I thought he and Joey had each other on speed-dial, and Timmeh would love to do a favor for a buddy.
op99 @ 197
I’m with y’all
youkillednoodle @ 222
Well, welcome aboard. Who’s this noodle you killt?
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 216
Here in Connecticut I would really like to see Green Candidate for Senate Ralph Ferrucci poll higher than GOP Candidate for Senate Alan Schlesinger (like FIVE percent would do it, A.S. is at about FOUR). Ha! That would make debate invites and podium placement and who enters first and last all quite the mess. Yes yes, I know, issues issues. But some part of me does like the chaos we are causing. I emailed Mom the quote from Dick Cheney yesterday “Dean Democrats have defeated Joe Lieberman” and said “I am so proud to be a Pain in the Vice President’s Ass!”
From Freedom Rider to Torture Apologist: Lieberman 06 @ 225
Green candidates leach support off (real) Dems – helps Lieberman. Please be careful what you wish for.
MTP is an exercise in MSM/GOP talking points and a bad venue for any Dem wanting to debate a Repug.
Tim Russert threw the FL Gov debate allowing Jeb Bush to talk about tax cuts while probing McBride’s budget and how he’ll balance the books by getting tax cheats. Maybe McBride wasn’t going to balance the budget but Jeb’s plans offered less revenue and got less “serious” scrutiny.
Little Russ even got a big hug from Barbara when the debate ended.
Don’t give Little Russ the MoJo of hosting Senatorial debates. Let some serious venue hold one — Colbert for instance. Make Tim drag out Rogaine Joe for another one-one debate where he interrupts himself. Great TV and no election gets hurt.
kirby @
2
Lord knows, I can sympathize with a woman’s battle against gravity, but jeepers, KH’s neck looks 20 years older than her face.
And don’t forget the boob job. Oh, she’s had one — her pathetic performance with Alan Colmes proved it for me. I’ve seen that look before; my ex-wife’s mother (my ex-mother-in-law?) worked for the most expensive plastic surgeon in San Francisco. A fine looking mature woman she was anyway, but right after she had her breasts lifted she had the SAME LOOK on her face and the same body language as Harris did on that notorious booby-shot interview. It’s unmistakable.
Katherine Harris vs. Gravity in a steel cage death match.
yes, i find bloodsucking much easier if i sneak up on my prey. ;);)