Sources close to Richard Armitage have confirmed for the NYTimes that he was, indeed, the source not only for Bob Novak, but also for Bob Woodward and another journalist as well who did not write about Valerie Plame Wilson. (Any guesses on that journalist’s identity? There’s a whole Beltway to choose from…UPDATE: But, as P points out in the comments, the poorly worded bit in the NYTimes may only be indicating Woodward and Novak. I’m open to argument on the fact that the "third" journalist that I was reading into this after one cup of coffee was really only meant to be Woodward. What do you guys think? I need more coffee…) According to the NYTimes:
In the accounts by the lawyer and associates, Mr. Armitage disclosed casually to Mr. Novak that Ms. Wilson worked for the C.I.A. at the end of an interview in his State Department office. Mr. Armitage knew that, the accounts continue, because he had seen a written memorandum by Under Secretary of State Marc Grossman.
Mr. Grossman had taken up the task of finding out about Ms. Wilson after an inquiry from I. Lewis Libby Jr., chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney. Mr. Libby’s inquiry was prompted by an Op-Ed article on May 6, 2003, in The New York Times by Nicholas D. Kristof and an article on June 12, 2003, in The Washington Post by Walter Pincus.
The two articles reported on a trip by a former ambassador to Africa sponsored by the C.I.A. to check reports that Iraq was seeking enriched uranium to help with its nuclear arms program.
Neither article identified the ambassador, but it was known inside the government that he was Joseph C. Wilson IV, Ms. Wilson’s husband. White House officials wanted to know how much of a role she had in selecting him for the assignment.
Ms. Wilson was a covert employee, and after Mr. Novak printed her identity, the agency requested an investigation to see whether her name had been leaked illegally.
Some administration critics said her name had been made public in a campaign to punish Mr. Wilson, who had written in a commentary in The Times that his investigation in Africa him to believe that the Bush administration had twisted intelligence to justify an attack on Iraq.
The NYTimes also makes clear that the memo that Armitage had seen was one done by Under Secretary of State Marc Grossman that did not contain any references to Valerie Plame Wilson’s covert status. So the intent to out a covert agent is not something that could be proved by evidentiary standards under this set of facts, as far as I can tell from what we know at this point. It doesn’t excuse the behavior, but it does make Armitage more difficult to prosecute under the laws as they stand. (See here for more discussion on that.)
And there is a lesson buried in the midst of the NYTimes story that I want to emphasize for a moment, as a former prosecutor: Armitage realized he was the source of the initial leak, and he immediately went to the State Department’s offices of legal and intelligence affairs, owned up to what had occurred, and discusssed his errors with the FBI before Patrick Fitzgerald was even appointed as Special Prosecutor. According to the NYTimes:
The Justice Department was quickly informed, and Mr. Armitage disclosed his talks with Mr. Novak in subsequent interviews with the Federal Bureau of Investigation, even before Mr. Fitzgerald’s appointment.
The book quotes Carl W. Ford Jr., then head of the intelligence and research bureau at the State Department, as saying that Mr. Armitage had told him, “I may be the guy who caused this whole thing,’’ and that he regretted having told the columnist more than he should have.
Mr. Grossman’s memorandum did not mention that Ms. Wilson had undercover status.
Apart from Mr. Ford, as quoted in the book, the lawyer and colleagues of Mr. Armitage who discussed the case have spoken insisting on anonymity, apparently because Mr. Armitage was still not comfortable with the public acknowledgment of his role.
He was also the source for another journalist about Ms. Wilson, a reporter who did not write about her. The lawyers and associates said Mr. Armitage also told Bob Woodward, assistant managing editor of The Washington Post and a well-known author, of her identity in June 2003.
Two things: First, as defense counsel, I cautioned my clients to keep their mouths shut, other than requesting that I be present when they spoke with police officers. And as a criminal defense attorney, it’s good advice — advice that Martha Stewart ought to have heeded, just as one example of many.
But as a prosecutor, I can honestly tell you that when you have a genuinely contrite person in front of you, who has owned up to all their activity, put everything out on the table, and you have all the facts to look at — both the prosecutor and the criminal investigators are more likely to work with that person in terms of using them as a witness against others, cutting a deal, everything.
It does not in any way excuse the behavior, but acceptance of responsibility and willingness to work with authorities can go a long, long way sometimes. Something that Scooter Libby failed to do from the get go — big mistake. Never lie to investigative officers, repeatedly, becuse if you do, you will have to deal with the legal consequences of your behavior. Period. Karl Rove may only have come around to honesty in some form by his fifth attempt at Grand Jury testimony, but it’s tough to tell from the outside. I do hope that, at some point, we get to the backstory on all of this during the Libby trial…there are way too many holes remaining for my legal brain to be comfortable.
But this leaves me wondering what the FBI and/or Patrick Fitzgerald may or may not have ultimately gotten from Richard Armitage. And others in this investigative mess.
But the second thing is this: no matter how much of a "decent guy" Richard Armitage may have been considered by colleagues (and reports from a number of people are that he’s a "good guy," fun at work, considerate of colleagues, tough when he needs to be, he and his wife have taken in hundreds of foster kids through the years, etc., etc.), he opened his yap and outed a covert CIA operative through careless gossip. On multiple occasions.
Shameful. Wrong. Deadly careless.
Back in October of 2005, I had this to say — and I still feel the same today:
Why has your cover been blown? Because you work as a CIA colleague of the wife of a man who dared to question the veracity of the President of the United States on a matter of national security, a matter of an exaggerated claim that was inserted in his State of the Union address to bolster his case for war in Iraq. And the President’s cronies and hatchet men decided to out this man’s wife for political payback, as a lesson to anyone else who would dare to question their decisions and as a means to staunch the bleeding from this initial salvo of criticism. Damn the consequences.No consideration for all the lives interconnected in this network of agents and field assets, or the years it took to cultivate them. No thought of the impact that this betrayal by highly placed governmental officials would have down the line — how hard it would make it to recruit human intelligence assets in the field at the very time that we need them most to gather information inside the terrorist networks that threaten us more and more each day….
"Even though I’m a tranquil guy now at this stage of my life, I have nothing but contempt and anger for those who betray the trust by exposing the name of our sources. They are, in my view, the most insidious, of traitors." President George H. W. Bush, on the 26th of April, 1999, at the dedication ceremony of the George Bush Center for Intelligence.
Richard Armitage gossiped about a member of the CIA to journalists. He violated the first principle of national security clearances — disclose information on a "need to know" basis only. I do not care how valuable his knowledge may be, he should never, ever have a high level security clearance again, because he is not to be trusted. (And while we are at it, why does Karl Rove still have his? Given his admission to discussing Valerie with journalists as well, he should be held to the same standard. He is also not to be trusted.)
National security is not some game. I don’t care about the "everybody does it" argument that Washington, D.C., is one big pit of gossip about who does what portfolio in intel or covert ops — this is not a game. And anyone who has ever known an officer who put their life on the line in a covert operation knows that for a fact.
David Corn has been saying that the book he and Michael Isikoff have written with the Armitage revelations is predominantly about the selling of the Iraq conflict and subsequent occupation based on false information — about the Bush Administration’s perpetration of a fraud on the American public to gin up a war of their choosing. I’ll be interested to see what, if any, new information they have dug up in the cesspool that is Washington. But I’m also keeping in mind that we are talking about Michael Isikoff and David Corn — both of whom have had their fingers in this pie for quite a while, and wondering how, if at all, that will color the information they disclose in the book — and wondering what information they may have held back.
In any event, this all gives Byron York something to do with his time — and apparently Christopher Hitchens has thrown himself into the mix as well now. Lord, if Rita Cosby shows up, I’m going back to bed.
PS — No legal discussion contained herein is to be considered legal advice. Every legal situation is different, and requires tailored information. Please talk to an attorney in your jurisdiction if you are accused of outing a CIA agent as a means of revenge against her husband for outing your boss’s obfuscations to the American public to gin up a war of his choosing. Thanks.
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Fitz!
“indigo”
ROOTZ! LAMONT AND WEBB!!!
This is big news. Way to go Reddhead for brightening my day. Still, what about Rove??
Didn’t this get mentioned back in March of this year? I seem to recall Bob Woodward doing the honors.
Oh! FITZY FITZY FITZY FITZY FITZ!!
Thanks for the huge Armitraitor post, Christy. — Now on to read it, heh!
And: Good morning Campers! I’m you’re Uncle Ernie and I …
Old Sow @ 2
SECOND THAT E MOTION!!
Phoenix Woman at 5 — Yeah, Woody was hinting around the edges, and there was a LOT of speculation about Armitage, but nothing concrete in terms of any particular person involved giving an actual name. A lot of the speculation was being fed in the right-wing-o-sphere, which makes me wonder how badly kept this “secret” has been around the Administration and also the media — and why there was no more substantial reporting on this until now in terms of sourcing it.
Wouldn’t a guy at that level have to know that idle chat about CIA personnel is a major no-no and that he/she should have had an affirmative obligation to ensure that the identity was not classified before disclosing it even to someone with a need to know much less a puke like Novak?
And what about Novak, who was put on notice by the CIA not to publish this info.
Why aren’t the right wing nuts up in arms about Novak’s treason – instead of branding Lamont supporters terror supporters.
Hypocrisy thy name is republican.
windje
Grammar police – third from last paragraph:
And anyone who has ever known an offic
ver who put their life on the line in a covert operation knows that for a fact.Great post Christy!
This all still seems very strange on many levels. It does not add up for me and I can’t quite put my finger on it. Armitage had to read Novak’s article to see that it might have been him? He was in a position to know about Valerie, but isn’t he claiming he didn’t reveal her in operational terms? This feels like a set-up. I don’t see Armitage as the 1 in the 1×2×6. Well, I guess Fitzgerald is the only one holding all the cards.
And so the big question for me is if Armitage spilled the beans to Novak, why did Irving and Rove and others lie or mis-remember or otherwise drag their feet with regard to being candid with Fitz? Is it just their knee jerk reaction to anything that sounds as if someone is going be held accountable?
And you got it right with regard to A’s gossipy ways: shameful, wrong, and deadly careless is just the start. CIA recruiting got a lot tougher, I’ll bet, both in terms of agents and sources. CIA’s willingness to bring politically challenging reports to the White House got a lot tougher too – just when we need the best intelligence possible with regard to Iraq.
Christy– this is what pool boy had to say yesterday in his wapo chat:
So we’re supposed to believe the White House went into total stonewall mode, Libby lied to the FBI and a federal grand jury, and a three year investigation ensued — all due to an Armitage slip of the tongue?
I can’t believe that if Gonzales (or anyone at the WH) knew they could make Armitage the fall guy early on, they didn’t do it.
I don’t get it.
I agree that after doing the wrong thing – blabbing – Armitage did the right thing in telling all he knew to investigators (which, given his penchant for dish, might not have been all that unpleasant for him)…I understand why he may have been given a break by prosecutors, but what was or is his punishment for flapping his lips in the first place? This isn’t like the kid who steals a candy bar from the 7-11, and then takes it back and promises never to do it again, this is like the banker who returns the suitcase full of cash he didn’t really mean to take home with him, who is allowed to keep his job and continue to handle large sums of money.
Good post, Christy. Maybe the wildfire will start again to remind the public about the despicable behavior of Bush Administration officials regarding their canavlier attitude toward undercover national security activity.
Appearing contrite does not excuse misbehavior, any more than Michael Brown’s new-found regrets about repeating White House talking points excuses what he did, and failed to do, in New Orleans.
Sorry to go off-topic, but wildfire is an issue. I posted a comment a few days ago about the incredible growth in forest fires this year, and possible links to global warming. Nobody reponded, which is fine, but this past Sunday the New York Times again proved the shallowness of its own work by writing about the fires and ignoring global warming.
“Think Progress” now has a sister site, triggered in part by what happened in Katrina: “Climate Progress.” And they have this up now: The NY Times Blows the Wildfire Story
Nice to be discussing important stuff again. My drooling has subsided for a moment, too. Just seeing the word Plame gives me palpitations.
Ahem.
So how does all this affect the Wilson’s lawsuit?
12 & 13–I have to go clean my entire house but I can’t resist an FDL post on the Plame investigation. (Thanks Christy!) I think Armitage opening his big mouth was coincidental to the 1 x 2 x 6 campaign by Libby and Rove. I printed out Emptywheel last night but fell asleep before I finished it. She has new thoughts on this…but I can’t get distracted from the intellectual challenge of cleaning my home. Ugh!
vachon at 17 — my guess is that Armitage will be added as a defendant, but it’s only a guess. I haven’t heard anything concrete on the civil suit strategy since the Armitage speculation hit full boil.
It also doesn’t track with two WH employees shopping the “Wilson’s wife sent him to Niger” story around town to six reporters.
How does the Armitage revelation make that set of facts go away?
Who wrote “canavlier”?
And what in the world does that mean?
I would have written cavalier, perfect spelling, impecable grammar. Must have been a slip of the fingers. If I admit it now to the FBI, is all forgiven?
meta at 11, and
peterr at 12
Indeed, this doesn’t smell right, though I’m no emptywheel with regard to the fine detail of this whole mess. It strikes me – was Armitage set up? Was Novak directed to ask Armitage about this? Is this a form of plausible deniability for the White House?
lina at 20 — It doesn’t. And it doesn’t answer Swopa’s enduring question either: did Novak already know about Valerie when he went fishing at State with Armitage? How did Novak learn that Valerie was a covert operative? These and many, many more answers are needed…
Thanks Christy, fwiw, emptywheel’s take from a few days ago, The Armitage Bombshell that Isikoff Didn’t Mention. It overlaps, but I’m not sure how much.
by emptywheel
I don’t understand how Armitage can know he was
Darth Vader’sNovak’s “initial and primary” source on Plame. OnlyDarth VaderNovak could know that.It seems to me the only way Armitage would discover this, is if Fitz told him, because it’s in Novak’s GJ testimony. My sense is those really responsible for outing Valerie want to shift blame onto someone who was far less responsibile. (per CHS: “It does not in any way excuse the behavior, but acceptance of responsibility and willingness to work with authorities can go a long, long way sometimes. Something that Scooter Libby failed to do from the get go — big mistake.”)
leftofliberal @ 22
If it were, they would have used it long before now.
The way I read the NYTimes piece Armitage only told 2 reporters not 3 – Novak and someone else who did not report it, that person being Woodward.
23–Do you think someone told Novak (let’s say Rove) and then mentioned that Armitage was a big gossip and would let it slip if he went fishing with him?
ok so if Armitage did not know that she was undercover, who told Novak that so he divulged in his column that she was a CIA operative?
(mebbe a stoopid ?)
P at 26 — you may be right on that — I’ve read and re-read that passage, and initially thought it just meant Woodward, but the wording was awkward, and after my first cuppa coffee, though they might be indicating a third…what do you guys think?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 23
Good question. Because didn’t Novak’s column identify that she worked on the covert side of the agency? If the INR memo that was the basis of Armitage’s knowledge didn’t contain that info., where did Novak get it?
whoops, I see that Christy already brought that up at 22– now I don’t feel so stoopid. ;)
Typo alert: “fromt he” should be “from the”
and “to discussion Valerie” should be “discussing” [please delete this portion after correcting, I can’t edit my comments]
Great post, Christy! The incestuous soup of coverup, cronyism, and corruption that is Washington should make everyone who operates there ashamed of themselves. Because it’s been my profession, and I studied constitutional law, I hold the media and journalists especially accountable. Their pathetic stenography since 2000 is a disgrace to the First Amendment and the responsibilities of a free press.
And OT, when Rummy points the bony finger of “new kind of fascism,” three fingers are pointing back…at him, Chee-Knee and Fartacus.
White House officials wanted to know how much of a role she had in selecting him for the assignment.
This suggests that they knew Wilson’s wife worked for CIA BEFORE they requested the INR memo, and that Wilson’s wife was the/a major motivation for the request. How does this jibe with what is known about the timeline and the memo?
oh hi mamayaga– just found and linked to your airport reverie the other day!
In defense of Armitage, I’m not sure we can rule out at this point that he gave
Darth VaderNovak this information, specifically to discourage him from printing it. JMOlina at 25
Do you think so?
If Armitage went to State’s legal office, wouldn’t those at WH know about it? Wouldn’t they then know that in the offing was the “revelation” that Armitage was Novak’s “primary source”, though again, how could Armitage know what level of source he was, as only Novak could know that. (Unless he attributed to himself the term “no partisan gunslinger”) Again, if Navak already knew Plame’s status and his role in the affair, and was directed to Armitage – it sets up the situation where at first glance it appears to be a careless slip of the tongue by Armitage, not a directed conspiracy by the WH.
I’m leaving b/c this is procrastination on my part. So, tinfoil hat on, Rove plots to let Armitage be the primary source. He tells Novak and then says give Armitage a call, he will let it slip. Novak’s column used terminology that suggested he understood that she was covert but I think he got that language from another source, presumably Rove. But the two of them cut a deal that Rove just “confirmed” Armitage’s leak with the infamous “I’ve heard that too.”
And further to my earlier point:
Warming and Earlier Spring Increase Western U.S. Forest Wildfire Activity , according to Science magazine.
I think Woodward is the journalist who didn’t write referred to in the article.
Armitage may have had access to info that Valerie was covert, but there are claims he did not reveal it. That’s why he can’t be the 1 in the formula. And if they wanted to throw him under the bus – which I do believe they do want to do – there remains the question, why didn’t they do it in the first place?
John Casper @ 34
John, that an interesting angle, but he would have had to have an awful lot of trust in Novak to do that. Misplaced trust. It seems a bit too foolish, but entirely possible.
Did you happen to catch the Armitage interview on Chas Rose a couple of months ago?
Damn it. What bothers me most is the muzzling of the intelligence agencies. If we get straight truth in, MAYBE we have a chance of getting good judgement back. Of course, that’s assuming there are people of good will operating our government.
I suspect this is really a two-track scenario. Loose Lips Armitage opens the door – or pushes one that has been unlatched so that he could appear to be turning the knob and opening the door – and Rove and Libby later pop out from behind the door after Armitage exits, and use Armitage’s “gossip” for their own purposes. They think that with Armitage now involved, it’s safely out there, and now they can go full-bore with no repercussions.
These horrible little men should have made every attempt themselves to rein in a potentially dangerous breach of security, seeing as how they were all supposed to be on such high alert protecting the nation from the evildoers…instead, their zeal to punish a political enemy who was perceived to be getting in the way of “the plan,” and their egos in thinking their goal took precedence over this particular segment of national security, allowed them to forsake both the integrity of that security as well as the integrity of their positions within the administration.
Meta/38–we did hear reports that Armitage was the leaker pretty early on? Maybe they did try to throw him off the bus but the press never went for it. Or his State colleagues wouldn’t confirm it for them.
Christy,
fab post.
not with Patrick in possession of Cheney’s blue dress:
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/10362
o/t
egregious,
just in case you hadn’t seen it yet
http://www.crooksandliars.com/…..st-macaca/
can smell the burnt glaze on that Virgina ham from here -
leftofliberal @ 35
That’s what I’m saying (I think). Back before Fitz. put them all in a tailspin, they were given the gift of using Armitage as the scapegoat. But they didn’t use it. Why not?
I don’t think I even need to adjust my tin foil for reception to your 37, Jane S.
Prof @ 16
Re: the impact of global warming – everyone should either read Gore’s book, An Inconvenient Truth, or see the movie. The movie was stunning, terrifying and inspiring.
Re: Armitage – maybe I’ve read too many books about Watergate. Because it seems to me that Cheney, Libby & Rove took the “opportunity” Armitage provided to pound the Wilson/Plame linkage into the ground and do as much smearing and damage as possible. And Novak pounded the final nail when he outed the company Plame (and others) were using as cover. Isn’t it just far too “coincidental” that Plame just happened to be involved in monitoring Iranian nuclear capability?
Question – if Armitage’s “innocent” (i.e., not knowing that she was covert) spilling of the beans was all there was too it, would Fitz have pursued the matter to the extent that he has? Certainly, because Armitage went to the FBI right away, this was one of the first pieces of information Fitz had to work with.
I am very confused – it doesn’t all add up.
cbl– your OT to egregious had me in fits last nite– my sis mailed me with it… time to make the red eye gravy, grits and biscuits!
Prairie – your comment was freed – just re-load and you should see it. Is it ok if I delete the duplicate?
Good Morning Christy, here’s a big cup of Kona for you. (I overslept this morning) I read that as Woodward was the 2nd journalist, who didn’t print anything. It was poorly worded (as I think my sentence is; but, I’ve only had one cup of coffee)
Thank you for the update.
Though the time line is odd, it really feels like Armitrage is being tossed off the lifeboat here.
This is my last comment. My plameology is very rusty since we’ve all been focused on November. Scooter is leaking to Judy before the publication of the Novak column, right? Although, as I am typing, it occurs to me that the date is after Armitage talks to sellout Woodward.
Great post CHS.
This still leaves the question: If everything is just high-level chit-chat and gossip with no intent to do harm to either Wilson or Plame, then why all the evasion,lying, covering up? In other words, to use a movie analogy, we have a main plot (the alleged attempt to get back at Wilson), and a subplot (Armitage’s [innocent?] indiscretions). We would have to be fools not to realize that the main plot is yet to be fully revealed, and also foolish to think that the subplot is only randomly connected to the main plot. There are threads here that connect it all.
Sitting back with Chesire grins on their faces right now, are Cheney and his OVP gang (Hadley, Addington, Fleitz). But they have to be still more than a little nervous.
Finally, nothing here exonerates Libby from lying, though it may give him some wiggle room when the judge pronounces a sentence if he is found guilty. In other words there is some possible argument for Libby having been caught in the web of extenuating circumstances. But he still (allegedly) lied to the grand jury, a felony.
As for Rove, well karma has a long memory.
Oh hell, that anyone could possibly use this information to gloss over what happened is patently wrong.
Clearly, Armitage was in the middle of the campaign to smear Wilson. Had Libby and Cheney not requested the info on Wilson then Armitage would never have seen it. And why were they requesting it? To see how they could go after Wilson, of course. And how did they go after him? By citing his wife and her employment. That a fly on the wall like Armitage picked up on this and leaked as well doesn’t mitigate Rove’s or Libby’s actions.
I can’t believe the right-wingers are now pretending what Libby and Rove did never happened just because a non “political gunslinger” was also involved. It’s pure absurdity.
dab from CT at 46 — I think there was much more, but thinking it and being able to prove it in court are often two very different things. We have no idea what evidence Fitzgerald has but, honestly, I’ve heard rumors from a couple of different sources that there are still loose ends being tied up in the investigation…so I’m not convinced that things are done, even though the media and the wing-nut-o-sphere is ready for that to be so. I wish that I had something more concrete to be able to tell you guys, other than the rumor mill speculation that I’ve heard, but the fact that it came from a couple of disperate sources gives me enough pause — that and the fact that there has been no indication of a formal closing of shop on the investigative work that I’ve been able to confirm anywhere. Will keep my ear to the ground and let you guys know if I hear anything more concrete on all of that…
OK, last OT comment on the greatest source of disasters facing the planet (as opposed to the second-greatest source of disasters, namely George Bush and cronies):
I found the full-text of the recent Science magazine article on global warming and forest fires. (PDF file)
Thanks Meta at 7:06.
Yes, I agree, “misplaced trust.”
No wrt Armitage on Chas Rose.
What I don’t get is why Armitage revealed her identity. What were the purposes of his interviews with Novak and Woodward?
What sort of “good guy” would allow himself to be involved in launching the war against Iraq? He was clearly an influential player in the process, so what was he trying to accomplish by spilling the beans.
If he’s human, he knew he was the source of the leak the moment he leaked. Were Novak and Woodward together with him, or did he inadvertently leak Plame’s identity twice? He didn’t go to the State Department’s legal-affairs office until he recognized that he could be exposed.
So what happened between him and Novak and Woodward? Did they ply him with drinks? Waterboard him? Was a menacing dog in the room?
And what was supposed to happen? How did Armitage hope it would work out before the Plame hit the fan?
there are two tracks:
1. the WH “work up” on Wilson following his anonymous contributions to Kristof’s column (and one or two other media stories), and
2. the contents of the INR memo leaked to Novak by Armitage.
If (and how) these two intersect somewhere, only Fitz and George Tenet know the truth.
Armitage revelation timing?
Two words: Katrina distraction.
I’m sorry, this one stinks of Karl Rove.
There’s just too much synchronicity
Armitage is at the end of his career and he has nothing to lose by throwing himself under the bus. He likes to fuck with destiny, so to speak.
Just sayin’
Cheney’s lawyers told him just how he should behave and he’s behaving that way and it’s all spin spin spin well the good old guy came forward and was contrite…spin
Powell knew about Armitage going to the authorities, as did the WH and Gonzales. They weren’t sure how it was all going to play out.
It’s Cheney. Fitz is after Cheney.
hmmm, sounds like there is going to be another big test of libby’s “memory defense” to be delt with. how does he explain away having requested information about valerie’s work at the cia, circulate a memo about it, but then hear it all for “the first time” weeks later from tim russert?
“It doesn’t excuse the behavior, but it does make Armitage more diffcult to prosecute under the laws as they stand.”
Precisely.
Slow curtain. The end.
(At least as far as the MSM is concerned.)
I do not think Armitage acted in a vacuum. Armitage was just some bit of meat lower on the food chain. There are larger fish to fry. Armitage will become a defendant in the public’s mind if the Democrats do things right. And Fitzgerald should charge this man. The objective should be impeachment of Bush and Cheney after the the congress is no longer controlled by Republicans.
Bush and any possibility of Republican succession must be halted. This regime’s scorched earth policies and the the hell on earth ramifications it has produced for millions must cease. If they (Republicans) run the clock out on impeachment, criminal prosecution is necessitated. You do the crime, you will serve time. It’s a punishment, and much more importantly, an example thing.
meta @ 61
I agree.
lina @
45
I think they didn’t use it because Armitage did the CYA of coming clean with State and Justice, and they weren’t sure how MUCH he said, and how much more he might say.
Later, taters.
windje @
9
That was my question, too.
Beyond that, it looks like Armitage was a bag boy.
So Armitage (sheepishly?) confessed he gave Novak classified information. How does this get him off the hook? I consider the bigggg Mr. A. to be in the same smelly league as Powell and some of the others. Not as malodorous as Bush and his thugs, but plenty stinko.
LindyH @ 65
He was clearly their adversary on the war, so he may have had too much “on them” to be a willing sacrificial lamb.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 29
Three and here’s why, using ‘also’ twice:
nyt: He was ALSO the source for another journalist about Ms. Wilson, a reporter who did not write about her. The lawyers and associates said Mr. Armitage ALSO told Bob Woodward, assistant managing editor of The Washington Post and a well-known author, of her identity in June 2003. [egregious bold]
lina @ 44
That isn’t the half of it.
Think about this: Armitage ‘fessed up to the Justice Dept. in October, back when John Ashcroft was still on top of the totem pole.
By late December, not only did everyone not manage to coordinate their stories and let Ashcroft put the whole thing in a box by blaming Armitage, but instead the Justice Dept. investigators have convinced Ashcroft to recuse himself and appoint Fitzgerald.
Obviously, there’s more to this story.
It’s almost as if Armitage’s narrative is a smoke screen to put down the conspiracy angle.
If the Bush Admin. can force the NYT to sit on the NSA story for a year, you would think they could bury Plame’s identity for a lifetime, had they wished to.
John Casper @ 65
me too! ok, I am praying that this is true, too. but really, otherwise Rove would already be indicted…right?
Personally, I say Bulls**T! He was the chosen lamb to take the heat off Cheney, Rove, Bush, etc.
Notice how they keep using the term ‘inadvertent’ in his slip? Trying to make him look innocent?
This is all more lies!
“Scooter is leaking to Judy before the publication of the Novak column, right? Although, as I am typing, it occurs to me that the date is after Armitage talks to sellout Woodward.”
I believe that Novak talked to both Armitage and Rove on July 8. Interestingly isn’t that the same day that Libby had his second conversation with Judy?
Also, if Armitage “discovered” he was Novak’s source as a result of reading one of his columns in early October, what of Woodward’s claim that Woodward called his source on this to “remind” him that he (Armitage?) had previously told Woody? Didn’t Woody claim to have done this AFTER the Libby indictment? If Armitage went to Fitz and came clean early in October, why didn’t Fitz know BEFORE indicting Libby that Woodward was likely the first reporter to be informed about Plame/Wilson?
Maybe I got the chronology wrong (and please correct me), but this Armitage story stinks to high-heaven.
Hi Christy!
Truer words were never spoken.
Anyone remember the David Corn and Viveca Novak show?
My view is that Cheney and Bush were always the original targets. Nixon was the ‘one’. Now Bush is the ONE. How do you convict Cheney and let his boss off?
But here’s what I don’t understand. The two articles (Kristof and Pincus) which got the VP’s office motivated to investigate in the first place only ever mentioned “the former ambassador” — not one mention of why he was chosen, no mention of his wife at all.
So Grossman does his investigation into Wilson, probably asking the CIA why this guy was chosen. They mention his service in Iraq and his contacts in the region. How would it be appropriate for the CIA to mention, “And his wife works here too”? For Plame Wilson’s name to be in Grossman’s report, wouldn’t someone have had to provide that info to Grossman first? After all, Armitage’s source was Grossman’s report itself.
I’m not saying it was inappropriate for Grossman to be told VPM was a CIA agent — after all, he does work for the executive branch — but it does seem that some of the blame would rest with Grossman for sloppily providing the background on VPM in his report without also mentioning that she was covert and thus the info should not be widely shared.
Anne, yes, delete the second/sorta duplicate. Didn’t get a holding pattern message from mod.
Thanks!
Swopa @ 72
Thanks Swopa, very helpful, as per usual.
I hope the poodles, and especially Kobe, treated you with all the respect you deserve.
“It’s almost as if Armitage’s narrative is a smoke screen to put down the conspiracy angle.”
I agree completely. This story just doesn’t fit previously known facts.
Anne @ 42
Anne,
I share your theory. I think they intended to out Plame. They kept dangling stuff out there to try to bait reporters into finding out about her (remember Condi on AF1) and it was just their happy accidnet that when it broke, it was Armitage.
They played him along with the press.
LindyH @ 41
They WANT to muzzle the intell agencies. Look at the exit rate of very senior professionals.
They are creating their own truth via a central political intell office under Cheney with enforcement through Homeland Insecurity Creation. I wish I was kidding.
So Richard Armitage would just accidentally spill information to journalists (two, not one, so how inadvertent could it be?) on a covert CIA operative?
Sounds like someone who has little knowledge of the world of intelligence, right?
But Armitage used to work as a consultant for the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) (in 1975). Some think that he worked in the CIA and, indeed, covertly.
And he is “not a partisan gunslinger” (for which we are supposed to believe Robert Novak?)?
But in 1978 he was Administrative Assistant to Republican Senator Bob Dole (and Armitage is himself a registered Republican), and served as an adviser during Ronald Reagan’s 1980 campaign for President.
The source for all this is a 2001 piece, Richard Armitage: His Past, Present and Future, which unfortunately does not itself cite sources.
More interesting stuff at Secret Agent Man from In These Times in 2001.
meta @
39
What was in the unpublished story Judy Miller was working on for which she was incarcerated for nearly three months for contempt of court? How, if at all, does anything in her story pertain to Richard Armitage? Did Judy Miller ever interview him?
The right wing worlitzer is spinning up it’s smears of Fitz. “Out of control prosecutor”. Well, what the hell was he supposed to do? You got a guy (Libby) who obviously lies to investigators and feds and you don’t prosecute? And it has been proved now that Rove and Libby WERE involved and that Bush probably knew that well before he said he wanted to know who the leakers were. Yet NO ONE is asking the Bush administration about that. Why did they lie to the American people, when they knew way back in 2003 that Armitage, Scooter and Libby were involved?
The fact that the neo-cons, who wanted to IMPEACH a president and overturn an election, for lying about a bj, excuse lying about outing a CIA agent is …. just incredible. Hypocrisy, thy name is neo-con.
lina @ 45
If you read the article, WH didn’t know. Legal counsel at State called the WH Counsel Gonzales and told him that State had turned over relevant info to DOJ and then held his breath waiting to see if Abu asked the follow up question(which would have been improper to do).
Abu did not ask. Wh knew something ahppened with State, but may have mistakenly believed that it hurt the WH not that it provided a scapegoat
angie @ 75
i also agree: but i think fitz is after cheney to get him keys to the executive toilet.
IMHO : it is over. fitz played the spoiler . . . irving gets a pardon and fitzmas is cancelled — forever.
I thought Armitage had “plausible deniability” on the outing charge.
Fitz squeezed Libby hard, Libby walked the plank, to no avail. Fritz still squeezing.
I’m with those who say the Armitage link is a distraction, but I’m no lawyer, and I don’t play one on FDL.
In Novak’s article “” he mentions “Bill Harlow, the CIA public information officer who was my CIA source for the column confirming Mrs. Wilson’s identity.”
I strongly suspect that Mr. Harlow would not have revealed anything along these lines without approval from the highest levels. But maybe I’m missing something.
Since Mrs. Wilson was a covert CIA employee, merely revealing that she was a CIA employee effectively destroyed her covert status.
“me too! ok, I am praying that this is true, too. but really, otherwise Rove would already be indicted…right?”
I agree angie. All we have are Rove’s attorney, “gold bars” Luskin statements that Fitz’s letter says that he “does not anticipate charging Rove.” That’s classic prosecutor speak for a
gave up everyone including his mom and grandmother to save himselfcooperating witness. Whose above Rove?DeadEyeCheney or Bush? Since Rove is still working at the WH, it’s gotta be DeadEye.Stephen Parrish, I was also just thinking about how Saint Judy fit into this. What is it that she didn’t write??!!
John Casper @ 81
The Swopa-Kobe summit has yet to occur. We’re still waiting for the poodles’ appointment secretary (I believe her name is Ms. Hampshire, or something like that) to make the arrangements.
When the meeting happens, I expect to be treated with all the respect of a day-old slice of pumpkin loaf.
Sorry about the messed up hyperlink above. For some reason, I couldn’t get back in to fix it.
It should point to http://www.suntimes.com/output…..vak12.html
lhp – Abu did not ask. Wh knew something ahppened with State, but may have mistakenly believed that it hurt the WH not that it provided a scapegoat
That’s what I was trying to say. They didn’t know how all this was going to play out. W is a sitting duck.
egregious @ 59
I think you are more right than you know
I can’t link to it(cause i don’t subscribe online, we get the dead tree version), but today’s Wall Street Journal has THE MOST blistering editorial all but calls Comey and Fitz criminals.
The Wurlizter is getting ready to flay the two talls guys alive to distract from Katrina and try to salvage the 06 election season.
I think we may end up needing to do more than just “fitz” at the beginning of threads.
Thank you Redd!
meta @ 40
Doesn’t seem very savvy, does it? Giving information to a journalist as a way of persuading him/her not to print it is a bit like forbidding a starving man to eat that last really good steak you have in the freezer.
Swopa @ 95
lightly toasting day- old pumpkin loaf can rejuvenate it (somewhat) :0
Oklahoma kiddo @ 79
I can only think of two reason: because his “boss” has spent the last five years farting at interns while Cheney made the big decisions. Or because nailing one brings the other down any way you slice it.
Nora Ephron has a good rap on Hillary.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..28303.html
It’s a secret if we’re violating your rights, says Negroponte. Kafka called this.
calvin, being a cat, looks at things a bit differently than the average bi-ped. He’s wondering how many WH staffers and hangers-on did it take to come up with this story and fire-proof it?
Just enough truth to make it plausible. But, not enough to convict.
How convenient.
lhp at 98 — any time. :) How’s life in the Mittens lane these days?
Love the PS. *G*
Even without an intentional violation of the Identities act, Armitage knew he was passing along classified information though. All the “casually mentioned” by a “gossip”is what I don’t completely buy on its face. It seems to me that the desire and effort to discredit Wilson was well known and pervasive at the time. We know that Libby was getting ok-s to hand out classified NIE info to bolster the President’s position.
I would wonder to what extent it was commonly held/known/acted upon that the President had authorized leaks of any classified info that made Wilson look bad, or the President look good, and that was the basis of Armitage’s action. Get a memo together, mark it classified, let way too many people have access, tell them it is ok to leak classified info per the “highest levels” to discredit Wilson, set Rice and others loose to poke the journalists to “look into” the situation, and what can be expected? Someone who doesn’t realize the covert aspect, which takes them from “just” classified and right into violation of the identities act and also right into doing more damage than you realized, is likely to leak and “the crew” who does know more and has been sitting in the OVP during strategy sessions can be there to confirm or direct journalists.
fwiw
angie @ 100
If there is an HEB store near you I highly recommend their instore bakery’s Hazelnut & Poppyseed full grain bread. Yowza! You can thank me later.
Am beginning to think the White House has David Copperfield and David Blaine on the payroll, working in the Department of Inter-related Distraction.
Angie @ 99 … Yikes! Don’t give them any ideas.
rove is still the primary source who took valerie plame’s name to matt cooper, yes?
this sounds like a distraction to me.
melior (in Austin) @ 103
Just think of the damage these bastards could do if they had an official secrets act.
Re: using Armitage as the scapegoat – wasn’t Novak already saying he had two sources? I would think that in the WH, the only scrambles more desperate than to protect the President would be to protect the VP and Rove. It would have just made everyone start pressing for the info on the second source harder wouldn’t it?
zeke L @ 110
Possibly. If the primary source technically committed no crime but may have accidentally opened the sluices for others’ skullduggery, I wouldn’t spend so much time on the primary source as the MSM is doing.
Van de Hei, is that Dutch or Flemish for half-wit ???
Lover the cautionary snark at the end of the posting!
looseheadprop @ 88
Back to WH incompetence. They could have taken advangate of the Armitage disclosure, but blew the opportunity.
Re Fitz
Apologize if this has been posted already. Can’t keep up with the comments some weeks.
A very critical post on HuffPo by Peter Lance, regarding an alleged effort to keep information critical of the FBI out of a documentary, contains this thought:
“My most astonishing, findings involved Patrick Fitzgerald, the former head of Organized Crime and Terrorism in the SDNY, who had allowed Ali to remain free as early as 1994 even though he named him as an unindicted co-conspirator in the Day of Terror case. Another of my key findings was that Fitzgerald buried probative evidence of an al Qaeda New York cell in 1996.”
I hope there is an excellent reason why this is so, if it is, and that the Plame case will not end with “buried probative evidence.”
Mary, how do you do it? One paragraph and it’s all laid out. Thank you! This makes the most sense in terms of human behavior.
BTW, Anne – your post the other day on women having the only say over their own bodies was really great.
yer right, Swopa– good chance they are reading this right now…
Jane does belong to those poodles and they are therefore well, you know– probably endowed with extracanine powers.
Christy Hardin Smith @
29
The way he sets off the first sentence conveys the sense that he’s building suspense. I hear it read in the tones of an episode of ‘Unsolved Mysteries’ — “He was also the source for another journalist about Ms. Wilson [pause for effect - tho’ purists would use a semicolon here - I’m just saying] a reporter who did not write about her.” Is the big reveal Woody? Would the ID of Woody be a big reveal is the question…but it seems he’s building to one by his construction.
Haven’t refreshed to see if others have hit these, but
1) why would you mention a covert operatives name when it was not a “need to know item” in a classified report, but not mention that the identity itself is classified — that’s so sloppy it begs credulity. Why not just say the Amb wife works at CIA and let the likely sexist rat-bastards reading the report make the assumption that the boss called in some trophy-wife of an Amb who moved up from the steno pool after he met her at a State Dinner on the arm of her old boss…Damn, I’m channeling Rummy again aren’t I?
2) Note the article completely elides the fact that the impetus for Scooter’s Big Adventure was Cheney’s heavy marginalia-rage on that copy of Wilson’s letter.
3) Fessing up is a big thing — but these are career criminals who know that. If they were going to send out a wolf in sacrificial lamb’s clothing, the appearance of immediate contrition is essential. I dunno.
I haven’t got the in-depth knowledge of the facts on this one to assess it adequately. And it may be a tinfoil hat moment. I just immediately question anything they say. Cogitation and reflection required.
cbl @ 114
Showoff/pendant mode: It means “from De Hei (a town in The Netherlands).” I don’t recall anybody saying De Hei was full of half-wits…the Dutch usually reserve that assessment for the Walloons.
I saw Armitage on Charlie Rose awhile back. At the end of the interview, Charlie asked Armitage about the Plame affair. The look that passed over Armitage’s face is something I will never forget. It was almost Shakesperian — he transformed instantly from being an affable chatty guy into pure rage. All he said was that he had cooperated fully (and he emphasized that point a couple of times) with the investigation from the get-go. Remembering that–my sense is that there is more to his “role” than meets the eye. My sense is that he feels that he was set up.
The thing to remember is that a lot of “info” gets passed back and forth between journalists and gov officials which is not printed. A sort of gentleman’s agreement, if you will. We do know that the CIA asked Novak not to print the info about Plame. Which leads me to speculate that this sort of “water-cooler” gossip isn’t uncommon (thinking of Woodward and all his “deep background”) and that Armitage had no idea that he was the source because his bantering on this matter with Novak was just that in his mind — typical banter.
The story for Armitage is how his ego (which is always what motivates this kind of gossip; the need to prove to “someone” that he is a big guy and in on the dish) led to his being used by someone. I smell Karl Rove on this–he sprung a trap for Novak and Armitage (and others?) and Armitage walked right into it. And he knows he should have known better as he is no fool in the way that Novak is.
Are we really expected to believe that Armitage didn’t realize he was a source for Novak until Novak’s October 1 2003 column? Unless Armitage specifically told Novak not to publish back in July 2003, I don’t believe Armitage on this point any more than I believe Rove when he says he didn’t think he was a source for Novak until some time in fall 2003.
Did anyone else notice that the pic of Armitage they had up on the front page of HuffPo made him look like Uncle Fester?
EvilDrPuma @ 99
Mary, courtesy of brownandserve’s link at 7:41 to
Darth Vader’sNovak’s July 2006 article.“I have revealed Rove’s name because his attorney has divulged the substance of our conversation, though in a form different from my recollection. I have revealed Harlow’s name because he has publicly disclosed his version of our conversation, which also differs from my recollection. My primary source has not come forward to identify himself.”
Mary’s right that there were two sources and the disclosure of Armitage’s name seems to only protect the other source. Is it possible that in 2003 Armitage and Powell were still useful to the administration so rather than throw Armitage overboard at that time which would discredit the State Department, they tried to protect him?
Since when did Novak become Darth Vader? I thought Darth Vader was Cheney! At least, once I heard Christopher Buckley call him that in 2003…
Corn plugged his book in his Huffpo piece and claims to have all the answers to how Karl’s defense got him off. I have a hard time understanding (despite how little loved she is) the Prosecutor being willing to put Miller in jail for three months and a judge allowing him too, and ALL the redacts and ex parte filings, if the story is: Armitage just goofed, oops, and Libby & Rove were just gossiping too, but they weren’t as truthful about it up front. What judge sends a reporter to jail and allows reams of one-sided filings for that? Someone else needs to put that worm on the hook for me.
Bottom line:
The bastards will get away with it.
Armitage (as well as Powell) is one of the *good* bad guys.
We must not forget, however, that Wilson’s article in the NYT and the subsequent fallout from it marked the beginning of all of bush’s troubles, and haven’t we enjoyed that scenario? Hopefully all of the preceeding 3 years will have resulted in a change in power in congress come Nov.
I’ll never stop being nauseated by all of the death and destruction these criminals have pepetrated.
I saw Armitage on Charlie Rose. I don’t exactly recall the anger, but I do recall the smarminess with which he said that he’d cooperated fully with Fitz. He refused to talk about it any further than that, but there was something distinctly ODD about the way his whole body changed when the subject came up.
“Decent people” do not collaberate with known liars and whores like Robert Novak. Novak will smear, dissemble and make up smut for the shear fun of lying about people who hold his kleptocratic Republican buddies to account. Armitage well knows this about Novak and he was probably relying on this fact.
Armitage’s cooperation with Novak’s efforts to deceive the public about whether Iraq was ever a threat to the U.S. cancels any suggestion that there is one single morally defensible aspect to his many year’s of direct participation in national insecurity. Armitage’s legacy and intentions, like most of the Bush administration, is one of Republican politics at the expense of public service.
slainte,
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timewarp @ 121
I got a different impression from that interview. I recall him telling Rose that we’ll find out it was all just an inadvertent misunderstanding rather than a concerted effort to “get Wilson.”
Thanks Jeff at 8:00.
meta @ 131
I read the body language change as rage. He became very tense, very serious and tight. The smarminess was a kind of attack, like a mad dog in a corner. At least that is the way I saw it!
Prof @
21
I believe that would be a can of Elderberries in Holland. Maybe ‘Elderberry’ is a new variety of Cannabis?
Thanks Dr Puma,
maybe like so many others, it was convienently changed from Walloon at Ellis Island
gotta go
Christy,
o/t
just in case you hadn’t seen it. college girl sent it knowing it is one of my all time favorite songs – nice little lullaby for next Mommy Nap Time
pls don’t set the Plameologists dogs on me – my e mail’s crap and thought you might enjoy it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmaqVU-VIRE
progressive love and props to all!
I forgot to add my gestalt response to the article as a whole:
“I wonder how long it took them to come up with a story and a papertrail that might support it?”
In my experience, they never think about how to work within the law til they’re accused of breaking it. Then they go back and look at the law in order to try to find a way to adjust the “facts” to get within spitting distance of compliance. From there it’s just a contortion of statutes and precedent until they limbo under it if possible.
There recently was a dreamy article about how that old scamp Karl Rove was back to his devilish and wise-cracking old self.
I’m so happy. I am so glad too, that he and George W. Bush have the time on their hands to engage in a “book reading” competition..
I mean, they could be reading the biographies of all of the American troops who have died on their watch, but why would they want to trouble their beautiful minds.
-GSD
I am not closely following this case… but wouldn’t the WH be informed of the Wilson mission and someone in there do a work up on JW and prepare to discredit him if his report turned out to not support the WH?
And in fact his report DID not support the WH and so they prepared themselves by looking for ways to discredit JW and I would suspect that they looked into his private life, his social life and so so on… and must have gotten the info that VP worked for the CIA and was a NOC operative. Exposing her as such would destroy her career and this would be paypack for writing the NYT OpEd.
They needed to get this info into the press and get the wurlitzer going and the question I have is who actually knew of her NOC status aside from the people in the CIA… and JW? How closely is this info guarded?
Admittedly the WH can request this info, but who provided it to them? Someone in the CIA? How DOES the info that someone is a NOC get dispersed to those with security clearance?
Could the WH simply ask… what was the VP doing at CIA? Who DID they ask? Who asked?
Once they HAVE the info… the dispersal IS obvisously a crime. I want to know how they got it, who gave it to them and who requested the VP dossier?
egregious @
71
I think they mean Judy.
Sorry for the drive-by, only have abt 10 min right now so mebbe somebody’s already said this.
Armitage was born in 1945, so he’s retirement age, no? I don’t think he’s being ‘thrown under the bus’, I think he’s getting a really fun retirment party. Look for him soon on several MIC boards of directors near you!
DefJef @ 139
by answering a request from the Vice President.
Yay, Plame-ness! Thanks, Christy — love your PS too.
I’m on my first cuppa here too, but something’s wrong with Woodie’s story, isn’t there? If his source is Armitage, and Armitage got clean with DOJ in fall 2003, why did Woodie scurry to his source after viewing Fitz’s 10/05 presser? Why get his source to go to Fitz with the new info that Woodie discovered he knew before Fitz’s stated first disclosure to journalists? Wouldn’t Armitage have come completely clean in fall 2003 — clean about Novak and clean about Woodward?
I’m clearing cobwebs on this, but Woodward’s not looking truthful here. It’s possible Armitage played him after the Fitz presser, I suppose. But my guess is there’s another source — Woodward’s early source. Is that possible?
Thank you Christie for an excellent update. I remember constantly hearing about Armitage’s intense loyalty to Colin Powell. It seems to me that Joe Wilson was calling into question the basis for Powell’s testimony before the UN. It doesn’t seem that unreasonable to me that Armitage had a pretty strong motive to undermine Wilson to save Powell even if he wasn’t part of an orginized effort by Cheney’s office.
timewarp @
128
Thanks timewarp.
If you hadn’t called that to my attention, I would have kept doing it.
Darth Cheney gets unplugged and rolled from his crypt to release this noxious stream of dissembling gas from deep within his bloated and flaccid vessel of negativity:
“The president will continue to pursue terrorists with all the tools at his disposal, the vice president said, recognizing the enemy “likely has combatants inside the United States.”
I thought “they” would only follow-us “over here” if we “cut and ran” from Iraq. Also, I thought that Al Qaeda was waiting for Democrats to get elected before attacking….the UK/Atlantic bomb plot notwithstanding.
Count Dickula Leaks Toxins
-GSD
Mary @ 106
Yep, what mary said.
I do n’t disagree with Christy often, but I must say, that in my experience regular “insiders” get told Gj info and classified info all the time. It’s “off the record” and only for gossip, not printing, porposes.
It’s the political equivlent of insider trading and closer to being the de facto norm, than the rules on the books.
Add to that the Shrub WH unbelieveable abuse of classification power. If people didi not discuss improperly “classifed” material as a regular course of business the Gov’t would have come to a screeching halt way at the beginning of the Shrub’s first term.
By overusing and abusing the classifiaction power, Shrub’s henchmen devalued it to the point where it has become almost meaningless.
Fitz (and this is why insider hate him so very, very much) believes the De Jure should at least be within shouting distance of teh De Facto and is calling bullshit on them.
Saying, in effect, you want to classfy that? Now live with the restraints of classification. You can’t ahve it both ways.
Remember, almost ALL the litigation in the Libby case has been about the effect of classification on the use of information.
The tall man in the rumpled suit (I will forever heart Jane for coining that phrase) is actually fighting about about fundamental prinipals. if you call a thing a secret,it is a secret. If you tell an FBI agent something is true, it better be true.
Just basics. Just honesty.
Thant’s why Beltway insiders are like angry hornets. Fitz is trying to impose a totally alien culture on them–reality based instead of wink-wink based.
At the time of Novak’s second column, the investigation into the leak was only a few days old. If this was all about – and only about – Armitage, it seems like the whole thing could have been shut down in the days following Armitage’s meeting with investigators. But it wasn’t, which means that Armitage was likely an unwitting dupe, and investigators had reason to believe that there was at least one other track to this story, and a few more layers – and players.
Emptywheel has a post up with a timeline and some interesting questions that dovetail with it that are worth a look.
What worries me is that this public revelation about Armitage will give Gonzales cover to shut down the investigation and call it finished.
New Thread
new thread: “One Big Ego”
John Casper @ 146
Quite so
Novak is The Douchebag of Liberty and don’t you forget it!
LHP:
I am so using that in my class tonight!
immanentize @ 153
If only I knew what it meant, I would use it, too!
looseheadprop @ 148
Yes!
I kept thinking that their treatment of information was the key to this, but I’m too sleepy to get the brain cells to line up. Worth drawing extra big quote attention to
I know, new thread…
I agree with others that there are too many loose ends here and questions left to answer regarding the fact that Rove and Libby lied. Plus I am still bothered by this statement from Novak here, the one he gave to Newsday. This part in particular. (my emphasis)
They thought it was significant. But now we are to believe that for one source it was merely just gossip. So does that mean for the other source who came to him it was signficant and not gossip???
Plus did we ever learn of the person’s identity (a friend of Joe Wilson)that gave Joe Wilson the heads up about this in the first place. IIRC, there was a person who apparently spoke with Novak about this issue on the street before the Novak wrote the article revealing Ms. Plame’s identity? Any one else remember that and any more word on that piece of the puzzle?
meta @ 154
Translation — The Law or what is legal (de jure) should not be completely disassociated with reality or facts (de facto). When those two things get too far apart, someone should complain (call bullshit!)
Thanks imm, from all of us who didn’t know.
meta at 73
I don’t think this Armitage revelation is about ‘throwing someone under the bus’, I think its just more sand throwing, to use Fitz’s analogy.
Wasn’t Armitage a signee of PNAC? Now to read the story.
Imm, thanks so much for the explanation.
Smokescreen. Dirty tricks. Mirrors.
That’s all it is. The predictable right-wing sources were all over this story, made the same pronouncements: Plame Affair over. Armitage the source.
I don’t even need to go through all the evidence at this point to know that this is exactly what they want us to think, and what is probably far from the truth.
It’s right there, on the face of it: if this was such common knowledge (as that freak York puts it) and if everybody in the WHIG, EO and OVP already KNEW it was Armitage, why didn’t they come right out, say it, have Bush fire him?
Armitage knows more; maybe he just doesn’t realize it. Otherwise the EO and OVP would not have gone through so much damage to their brand not to have simply fired him.
How does Armitage’s loyalty to Powell, set up by the WH with Tenet to make the (now empty) case about Iraq’s wmd to the world (and P’s subsequent disgrace) play into his gossiping with Novak? Could his motivation be the opposite of Cheney’s—actually trying to point out what Cheney knew (that a former ambassador had gone to Niger and found no proof that they were selling uranium to SH) but Powell did not, before Powell was forced to make their case at the UN?
He still shouldn’t be gossiping with reporters, but isn’t his intent important here?
And, of course, IANAL.
I am currently reading “Fiasco”. Last night I read that “Armitage” was pushing for the war on page 86 (I think 86). I’m sure it was a typo, but it has me thinking on just how convoluted and connected this has all become. Is it possible that Armitage was indeed operating under the WHIG? I suppose the remaining pages will tell if was a typo or not.
None of this makes sense. Why all the evasion, lying, and obstruction by Rove and Libby if it was Armitage that spilled the beans?
Rayne, they simply want to tie up another loose end before the elections.
See, Rove was a victim, “good guy” Armitage was a blabbermouth.
Now onto Iran!
-GSD
sorry…i dont buy it….its all to neat…way to neat…and well timed too…very well timed
if sometime is well timed and way to neat there is definitely something suspicious about it.
armitage may well have gossiped about this BUT that does not answer the question concerning cheney’s notes on the NYTimes article and Libby’s hunt for info on wilsons wife OR the extent of time armitage did not come forward to reveal his gossipy FU
nope, I am not buying this new media circus surrounding the plame case…its just to neat…to well timed….something is missing here…i think whats missing is THE TRUTH.
my too sense @ 156
No way that conversation with the source (which may have been someone other than Armitage) was idle chit chat. Don’t forget that GHW Bush (41) shitcanned Rove for leaking to Novak way back when. These guys have a relationship going back a long way.
My recollection (which is increasingly faulty) was that someone approached and discussed this with Joe Wilson on the street.
windje
This is very damaging information in terms of undermining Fitz’s credibility. More wingnut talking points…this thing will blow.
Anyone know about Lance? Is he a straight shooter?
I read his bio…said his 3rd book in the trilogy is about able danger.
That’s something the wingnuts try to bang on and blame Clinton for 9/11.
Susan in Iowa @ 117
I Am So Happy…that Christopher Hitchens has finally solved this confusing Plame case for me! I am going to immediately drop all charges against Scooter Libby – cease and desist any further investigations – close up shop in D.C. – and go golfing!
Plame Out
The ridiculous end to the scandal that distracted the Press.
Except…Scooter’s conviction is fte compli (finished dinner) since he did commit perjury and engage in obstruction of justice by testifying untruthfully to a grand jury and federal agents stating he learned about Ms. Wilson’s role at the agency from reporters rather than from several officials, including Mr. Cheney. Drats! Back to work.
Par for the course…early in the week and already a couple more big bogies for the MSM – First, way way out of bounds with the John Mark Karr Death Liar story – and yet, once again, they have landed in the sand trap of SPIN – dutifully swallowing and reporting fertilizer as fact.
Prof, it looks like you can’t win for losing today in regard to spelling. At #21, you said:
Impeccable has two “c”s. I’ll be sure to look up your articles on global warming later. Thanks for citing them. I certainly agree that the Bush administration is second in importance to global warming.
But essentially, I’d like to suggest that folks may not be taking Armitage seriously enough. I did some cursory research yesterday on Armitage. He was listed as one of the original Iran/Contra co-conspirators, and he signed the PNAC letter to Clinton. Why would anyone say he wouldn’t be involved in anything sinister. Also, he’s been in some very sensitive positions in several republican administrations, amongst which he was a covert agent (I didn’t see or don’t remember which agency, although someone mentioned the CIA earlier, but it could also have been NSA). Go check out SourceWatch or Wiki. He’s no angel, and I don’t believe for a minute that he didn’t know he shouldn’t be discussing information he learned on a classified memo with reporters.
When Armitage receives his Medal of Freedom, will the Wilsons be invited to the ceremony?
Al-Scooter, I’ve been wondering that myself! When will we hear about his medal?
Kristof and Pincus’ articles prompted the White House to seek out information on Wilson, which resulted in the memo. Wilson’s op-ed piece was published on July 6th. TWO DAYS later Novak, who IS a partisan gunslinger, interviewed Armitage. How slow could Armitage be to honestly believe any information he divulged to Novak about Wilson and his trip wouldn’t be used? I don’t believe he is that slow.
I think the aspens are still turning and churning out a lot of B.S.
Isn’t there a chance that the guy who approached Novak on the street told Novak that Plame was undercover (e.g. “don’t talk about Wilson’s wife in your column, she’s a spy.”). Wouldn’t this guy then become — inadvertently –Novak’s source for Plame’s undercover status? I’m sure Novak already knew Plame was undercover (via Rove or someone else) but needed a source before publishing (because the original source would deny it). The guy who warned off Novak became that source.
The article your post links to claims:
Actually, you can’t buy enriched uranium from Niger. What an Iraqi (or any representative of a rogue state) might have looked for is uranium ore — pitchblende, or uranium oxide. There’s a very long, expensive, and arduous process from pitchblende to enriched uranium — enriched enough, at least, for military purposes.
Finally feeling better.
Though I do not doubt Christy’s legal expertise, it is clear to me BushCo does not follow the rules at all. These people are criminal and powerful and so far no one has even been fired (they get promoted) much less in jail. Scooter has had his ‘trial’ pushed forward until after the election, not to mention, the very real possibility of presidential pardons. While I want them all to rot in prison and then in hell, I will be happy enough to see them ‘gone‘.
Susan in Iowa @ 117
I quit after about fifty comments, so perhaps someone else has already pointed out these objections to the post:
But as a prosecutor, I can honestly tell you that when you have a genuinely contrite person in front of you, who has owned up to all their activity, put everything out on the table, and you have all the facts to look at — both the prosecutor and the criminal investigators are more likely to work with that person in terms of using them as a witness against others, cutting a deal, everything.
Great, now tell us your opinion about Armitage, who sat on the news that he had leaked to Woodward (despite requests from Woodward during 2004 to let Woodward publish) until *after* Libby was indicted and the grand jury had lapsed.
If that is “contrite” and “coming clean”, what does dirty look like?
My second quarrel is with the “I still feel the same today” passage:
And the President’s cronies and hatchet men decided to out this man’s wife for political payback, as a lesson to anyone else who would dare to question their decisions and as a means to staunch the bleeding from this initial salvo of criticism. Damn the consequences.
Are we meant to read this as saying that Armitage was a crony and hatchet man who outed Ms. Plame as payback? That is sort of 180 to the actual story, yes?
angie @ 13
One of the oldest tricks in the book is to ‘talk’ in front of someone you know is a gossip in order to spread a rumor without doing it yourself. I will never believe these people didn’t plan every evil action that has come to pass.
Armitage’s involvement all along, beginning with his being one of the people who can claim he saw the briefing paper for the Africa trip which initially named Wilson’s wife by name, is no accident. Nor is the way this is uraveling.
Armitage goes way back to Vietnam, Laos, Burma and Thailand with such shady characters as Richard Secord and John Negroponte. All three of these guys have a history of setting up front operations for arms and drug smuggling.
The remnants of Secord’s company, Technology Trading, Intl., which had ties to Armitage’s Bangkok business, are out there. I have a hunch Brewster-Jennings had gotten a whiff of that company’s remains.
Armitage went from Laos to Tehran to Bangkok to Central America in the space of five very busy years during which all sorts of crazy stuff happened in Iran, including the Iran-Contra mess which ties together Armitage, Secord, Negroponte, Ghorbanifar, Khashoggi and the BCCI gang.
As soon as Armitage came into this mix, it struck me that Plame had discovered more about the history of emerging nuclear programs in Pakistan and Iran than the Bushistas and their compadres could handle.
Ed*T has hit the nail on the head I think.
Tom at 179 — only if you ignore the fact that Rove and Libby spoke to Cooper, Novak, Miller and potentially others that have not been confirmed. Or do you give them a pass for their behavior?
CHS #183
Argh, Thanks you. Anybody who thinks this is done, especially Hitchens is an idiot. Keep slamming this in their faces, FDL, please!
Horsefeathers tries to pin everything on the Left on this one, but is sorely challenged on the facts of the case. I did what I could, honest – - unfortunately he banned my insertions of truth from his commentary long ago.
I don’t understand the points made by TM at @179?
Armitage goes and talks to State who, with him or on his behalf, talks to the Justice Dept investigators. By then or soon in connection therewith, the investigators (per Waas) have already talked to Libby and Cheney and have substantial questions about the veracity of LIbby and Cheney’s statements.
By then everyone also knows that Novak had not one but TWO sources, and so far only one has come clean to the investigators and two guys- Libby and Rove – are looking like they have made false statements to the FBI. I would just bet that Armitage was told to keep his mouth shut, by the investigators, until they finished their investigation. He was also wrapped into the secret GJ proceedings. The GJ had the Armitage information – so I dont’ get this:
at all? My opinion is that Armitage already has plenty of ex- partisan gunslinger history, despite Novak’s assertions, to not be one of the angels, he knew his screw up was going to be caught, he went both up his chain and to the investigators, which you can’t fault, and was probably told to sit on things.
If the issue is specifically why not letting anything out about talking to WOODWARD (who did not publish), EARLIER than Novak, well, how was that in the Special Prosecutor’s scope? Everyone wants to talk about “how much” power the SP was granted, but however much “power” he had, it was limited to and within a very narrow scope (Judge Walton fleshes that out just fine in his ruling). I don’t see how the Armitage-Woodward discussion is within the scope and the narrow scope is just one of the many reasons that I was against in-housing the investigation to start – no other Spec Pros or Indep Pros has had such a limited scope.
In any event, Armitage is not “clean” and no one seems to want to talk about why he thought he could try to “gossip” his way into discrediting Wilson to two different reporters with classified info, but how does his need for a shower doesn’t someone make Libby or Rove smell any better?
The GJ aren’t idiots and they had the Armitage info– plus a lot more.
I also stand by my statement above – all the redacts and ex parte’s and court’s willingness to send reporters to jail means something more was in the mix, whether we ever get to know what it is or not.
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I hope someone gets breakables away from lhp before she reads the Lance article.
There are a couple of things the NYT article fails to mention. First, the State Department memo said that CIA Agent Valerie Wilson was Joseph Wilson’s wife. This is why Armitage did not realize that he was the source for Novak until long after Novak’s article since he identified her as Valerie Plame. To me, this is huge. A lot of water went under the brige between the time Armitage spoke with Novak and Woodard and when Armitage confessed to Powell. It is critical that the timeline is followed precisely.
Second, the memo Armitage used was widely dispersed within the Administration, including the entire WHIG membership. When Novak went to the CIA to confirm employment he confirmed the employment of Valeria Plame, so who gave Novak the name “Plame”? We know it wasn’t Armitage.
Plame’s cover was not as a CIA desk jockey. How did Grossman know that Plame was CIA? Who told him?
How typical of a bunch of Liberals to live in denial.
Fitz is not filing charges against Armitage because no crime was committed. Plame was not covert so no “covert operatives” were “outed.”
Armitage has, up until now, been a hero of the Left for criticizing President Bush’s policies. Now suddenly, because his confession exhonerates Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, and President Bush, he a lying goat. You guys are hysterical.
There was no vendetta against Valerie Plame or her husband (and non-entity) Mr. Joseph Plame (nee Wilson).
Liberals are the hypcrites of the universe. You guys slime and sling hatred with abandon in your ignorance driven arrogance. Then when the truth comes out, you act as if it is of very little consequence that your entire premise was WRONG!
Here’s the real summary:Plamegate Revelation: Liberal Silence Deafening
Oh by the way “avenging-angel” my post pre-dates this post by Christy Hardin Smith, so your comment was, as is so typical of Liberals, WRONG!
Mr. Joseph Plame (nee Wilson).
Fear of women is all the GOP has left.
Ok so Fiitz is sitting across from Armitage.
Can he take the questions anywhere?
Mr. Malvin, it troubles me to have to point out this inaccuracy, truly it does. Bless your heart, you missed my post on the subject on 8/27/06 as well:
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..s-missing/
Or any of my even earlier posts regarding Armitage. Perhaps you might try actually researching prior to hurling unfounded accusations in my direction?
Notice how the troll tries to slip in a late thread? Whatever. No feeding.
Go Christy!
Will you ignorant slut.
The head of the CIA asked the Republican controled DOJ to investigate this, and they did it because Plame was not covert.
Mr. Malven,
1. If Plame was not covert, the CIA would not have referred the case for investigation to DOJ. Fitzgerald announcing the charges against Libby stated:
Transcript of Fitzgerald Press Conference
2. I don’t believe “Armitage’s confession” exonerates Libby for the charges against him. Libby’s many stories reminds me of Jon Lovitz’ pathological liar character on SNL: “Yeah, yeah, THAT’s the ticket.” Note this interesting comment from Libby’s lawyer in 09/2005:
Times reporter testifies on leak 09/30/2005
The problem was that this statement was made apparently not realizing that dear Judy’s testimony and notes would prove it to be untrue, revealing that Libby knew the name before the Novak column came out. Libby then conveniently decides to remember with absolute certainty that he heard it from Mr. Russert, while preparing a faulty memory defense. Oh, what a tangled web…
Why would he be so desperate to lie, if he didn’t have something to hide?
I’m wondering about Isikoff’s involvement in this whole affair. Does everyone remember him on Larry King Live, sort of pushing Woodward into a corner on Novak’s source. Something about Woodward having a “bombshell?” Isikoff has always played the apologist for the administration, and how better to get the ball rolling on Armitage, than to press Woodward on National Television. He’s always been willing to carry water for the Bushies and might he not be the perfect guy to set this hoax in play? Woodward claimed in November 2005 that his recovered memory, after Libby’s indictment, caused him to call his source and point out that the source had told him about “Wilson’s wife” earlier than Libby’s conversation with Judith Miller. He claimed that his source was highly chagrined, and stated that he must tell the prosecutor immediately. But Armitage supposedly confessed in 2003. Why would he not assume that Fitzgerald already knew about it. Why wouldn’t he tell Woodward that he had already confessed? I think it’s crap.
benjoya @ 12:05pm (#188)
This is the question, isn’t it? While I agree that Armitage was careless to have discussed this information, why was it available in the first place? Was Grossman told about Valerie Plame’s undercover status? If not, who leaked that information to him? OTOH, if he was told about the covert status, then he’s in trouble at the very least for not having mentioned it. What kind of trouble? At the very least, censure and loss of his position if he’s still in government.
There comes a point when such extensive and thorough self delusion can only be explained by mental illness.
(Doesn’t make me feel sorry for them, but it makes me wonder what’s in the water they all drink. Or, who send them the little vials they have to suck down every Sunday night. Or who is paying them, and how much.)
And, goodness gracious, what will happen when the well runs dry? Can you imagine all the exploding heads if reality ever comes crashing down?
Delicious.
Will Malven @
189
YAWNNNNNNN…….
did somebody fart?
Armitage is a red herring. There is still a cover up and this is misdirection to shield someone else.
ExcuseMeExcuseMe @ 199
LOL – what an ass. Well, as long as Republicans are in office there will be no end of scandal, incompetence, malfeasance, perversion of democracy, torture, fascism, war profiteering and incompetence to keep us “crazy” Liberals busy.
I love that you and your kind are so focused on mental illness. Got projection anyone?
Miles Archer @ 201
Agreed. Fitz obviously knows much more than we do. Goopers are really good at setting up straw men and getting folks to focus on them instead of the real issues.
Fortunately, I think the American public has gotten wise to the manipulation.
Will Malven @ 189
dab from CT @ 202
No, no, no, Dab. I may be mentally ill myself, but I’m on your side. Obviously, I don’t snark well at all.
I look and read and really, I do believe they have to be mentally ill. Maybe when they’re all sitting around having their beer with Bush, someone’s sliiping something in the beers.
I’m serious. You can’t read that shit and believe that they believe it unless there’s some drug involved, or someone’s hoovering up all their brains.
Oh lord, that means I sound just like them.
Fine, but Novak called Mrs. Wilson an “operative,” which is spook-speak for “undercover agent.” And Novak had always used “operative” in that sense. So, someone other than Armitage informed Novak of Mrs. Wilson’s “undercover” status. I wonder who.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 192
Oh my God…your right! Whatever. I only came here because of avenging-angels plaintive cries of “What about me?” Perhaps if your blog was rated highly enough I would have visited, but until aa’s visit, I had never heard of firedoglake.
Afterall Liberal opinions are a dime a dozen and surprisingly, as imaginative as you Liberals are (and you live in your imaginations isolated from reality) you are all repeating the same boring, unsubstantiated allegations.
That’s why you have no answers to the nation’s problems; not an original thought in the whole lot of you.
You were wrong, and you don’t have the intellectual honesty to admit it. Hell, at least I took the time to make sure I got your name correct.
Will Malven @ 208
LOL – give it a rest
ExcuseMeExcuseMe @ 206
Sorry – there are so many trolls swarming this thread that it’s hard to tell snark from insane freeper behavior.
I find it fascinating that they are just so eager to make this go away and say it was much ado about nothing.
Amazing that freeper’s or Rovians’ idea of patriotism doesn’t include protection of US intelligence assets. Leopards always show their spots
Will Malven @
189 How typical of a bunch of Liberals to live in denial.=====================================
I see you were listening to Mr Limpballs yesterday. The sad fact is Armitage didn’t tell evryone that knew about it. There’s still a rat in the cupboard and I think it looks alot like Cheney.
ExcuseMeExcuseMe @ 206
No, you don’t. I got you were talking about reality crashing down on right wingnuts heads.
“In the accounts by the lawyer and associates, Mr. Armitage disclosed casually to Mr. Novak that Ms. Wilson worked for the C.I.A. at the end of an interview in his State Department office.”
Ms. Wilson, right. That’s the name gossiper Armitage used, the only name he knew. And where did Novak get the name ‘Valerie Plame’???
Good critical thinking here, everyone.
Note that Colin Powell had the suspect Niger/Iraq uranium fable removed from his UN presentation: he did not use it, and so he was not on the hook for having used that part of the alleged evidence to promote the invasion.
For more on the chance encounter with the ’stranger in the street’ Novak had on July 8, 2003, see here from yesterday:
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/082906J.shtml
If the Wall Street Journal is getting hot under the collar about the ongoing Plame leak investigation, that can only mean that something/someone is closing in on a big target. The only recent news has been about Armitage as a key source for Novak (and a source for Woodward): does that threaten the Wall Street Journal’s owners and/or its pals somehow?
John Casper @ 24 – Very good point about Armitage going out of his way to claim he is the “initial and primary” source for Novak, who supposedly was the one asking the questions about Joe Wilson and Niger. How the heck does Armitage know that, and, if Armitage thought he had been set up, Armitage wouldn’t be seemingly covering for Novak, and trying to remove the possibility of other leaks to Novak before Armitage talked to him on July 8, would he? [The grand jury testimony of others would not be Armitage’s source for that information, unless leaked by fellow conspirators…]
Mary @ 186 – Just to clarify (wasn’t sure if you had this timeline down precisely): Armitage was allegedly basically the very first interview the DOJ did at the start of their investigation – on October 2, 2003. Apparently that ‘confession’ from Armitage was all, and only, about his ‘oh-so-casual’ leak to Robert Novak on July 8th. Armitage’s similar ‘oh-so-casual’ June 13th leak to Bob Woodward was (apparently) not confessed to by Armitage until November, 2005, and then only because of Woodward’s (repeated) prodding. This timeline actually plays right into your conclusion about Armitage (and into the conclusions of most of the commenters on this thread).
doesn’t Novak explain away the Mrs.Wilson is Valerie Plame through the “Who’s Who in America” story? I suspect that story was concocted afterwards to cover up the leak. After the kerfuffle erupted, somebody discovered the WWinA listing which disclosed the link. The conspirators seized upon that to use to explain away how Novak knew Mrs.Wilson was Ms.Plame …
“doesn’t Novak explain away the Mrs.Wilson is Valerie Plame through the “Who’s Who in America” story?”
I must have missed that. But why did he write: “Wilson never worked for the CIA, but his wife, Valerie Plame, is an Agency operative on weapons of mass destruction.”? How did he know Ms. Wilson is known at the CIA as Valerie Plame? That’s in “Who’s Who in America”???
If the Wall Street Journal is getting hot under the collar about the ongoing Plame leak investigation, that can only mean that something/someone is closing in on a big target.
Yes! I agree.
The timeline details give me a headache (again!), but one thing I’m sure of — this business of “ok Armitage goofed, so all you folks interested in the Plame outing, just go away already” is hinky in the extreme.
Nothing fits together as it stands now.
The big question I have is — when is Fitzgerald going to strike back with some serious smiting?
Gray @ 213
I think that may be key. Remember what a big deal it was that Judith Miller scribbled some variation of “Plame” (I think it might have been Flame) in her notebook after chatting with Scooter.
Afaik, the broad public knew her as Valerie Wilson after the wedding…
The panic is palpable. Just as it was when Lamont won. You know when they start shouting “look over there” someone is getting too close to the truth.
Exactly, Gray.
I’ve seen the layout of the Who’s Who entry: it is in a genealogical format – first, middle, last maiden name of the person Joe Wilson married, with the marriage date. No one not otherwise informed would assume from that entry listing that Valerie Wilson retained her maiden name after her marriage, or that she used it in her career. The very most one could claim to independently infer from that entry is that the post-marriage name of Joe Wilson’s wife is either ‘Valerie Wilson’ or ‘Valerie Plame Wilson.’
“No one not otherwise informed would assume from that entry listing that Valerie Wilson retained her maiden name after her marriage, or that she used it in her career.”
So Novak got the clue about ‘Plame’ elsewhere. Why is this important? Because the person who talked about ‘Valerie Plame’ must have been aware that this was the name she used at the CIA. And then it’s probable this official new that she was undercover, too. So this must have been the real deliberate leak (but of course, mentioning Ms. Wilson in that memo that Armitage read, without disclosing that this info was secret, at least was criminal neglect, too)
Theres an in-depth analysis on the inconsistencies in Novak’s stories in Slate:
http://www.slate.com/id/2128918/
Oh, and A-blog reports there’s a CREW statement where the Wilsons declare that the new Armitage informations won’t change anything for their lawsuit.
http://americablog.blogspot.co…..n-has.html
Wigwam @ 207
Maybe my memory is playing tricks on me…but…the State Department Memo had Topsecret stamped all over it…so, oh, I guess not just DC gossip….lol
Nevertheless, Armitage knew full well that there is a reasonable chance a CIA agent might be covert, and that such disclosure would be a criminal act. He deserves at a minimum to be included in the civil suit.