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		<title>By: Pachacutec</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/08/30/chuck-schumer-ambition-trumps-loyalty-to-democratic-voters/#comment-270781</link>
		<dc:creator>Pachacutec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 04:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;RT:  these are not mutually exclusive fights.  We’re fighting on all these fronts and more.  They are, in fact, skirmishes on the same border.  Beating back the DC machine that wants to kill the roots happens in more than one way at the same time.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RT:  these are not mutually exclusive fights.  We’re fighting on all these fronts and more.  They are, in fact, skirmishes on the same border.  Beating back the DC machine that wants to kill the roots happens in more than one way at the same time.</p>
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		<title>By: RT</title>
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		<dc:creator>RT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 01:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-270141&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Rayne @&lt;br /&gt;
                208              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;RT — DEMOCRATIC. MAJORITY. IN. THE. SENATE. VOTING. DEMOCRATIC. VALUES. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Umm, that ain’t gonna happen by itself.  If they turn off our spigot and places like this stop happening, the Senate Democrats will go back to listening to the Broders and Shrums of the world.  Not hoopy.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Net Neutrality is the &lt;i&gt;essential tool&lt;/i&gt; to obtain a Democratic Senate voting Democratic values.  Without that, I think we get such a Senate shortly after the Arctic icecap finishes melting.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-270223&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Pachacutec @&lt;br /&gt;
                212              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;RT:  How do you think Schumer came around on net neutrality?  Do you think he did it on his own, or did he respond to pressure - &lt;em&gt;our&lt;/em&gt; collective pressure - repeated, over and over and over? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The future belongs to those willing to fight for it.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hell yeah, I agree.  Didn’t I say, keep on pressuring him?  Damned straight.  But now that he’s come around, why are you so negative on him?  I mean, Schumer’s no better or worse than most Dems.  He doesn’t go around blaming his own party for all that’s wrong in the world, like Lieberman does.  He doesn’t kiss up to Bush like Lieberman does.  He *does* kiss up to the moneymen, like unfortunately an awful lot of Dems do, including my own House member, Steny Hoyer.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yeah, we want to put pressure on them, and thereby change them.  We agree.  It’s your &lt;i&gt;evaluation&lt;/i&gt; of Schumer that I’m questioning.  How many Senators or other major party figures have come out and said Lieberman should drop out of the race?  Kerry, Edwards, who else?  It’s a damned thin list.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Schumer’s not the next Lieberman, unless we have a party full of them.  If Schumer’s the next to go, I can list 30 Dem Senators who ought to go right with him, and at that point, you’re making all the wingnuttery about purges sound plausible.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But Lieberman really was and is bad in ways that are very distinct from any *elected* Dem right now.  (OTOH, certain unelected Dems, such as Wittman, Klein, the whole DLC crew, most of the TNR bunch, etc. are in the same boat: kiss the GOP, kick their ‘own’ party, and be clueless on how bad Iraq really is.)  Comparing Schumer with Lieberman just because Schumer’s not ready to push Lieberman off the pier is a terrible comparison.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And yeah, Schumer fighting for net neutrality is a hell of a lot more important than Schumer pushing Lieberman off the pier.  Winning on Lieberman is like being given a fish; winning on net neutrality is like having a fishing rod and knowing how to use it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-270141"><em>Rayne @<br />
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<blockquote><p>RT — DEMOCRATIC. MAJORITY. IN. THE. SENATE. VOTING. DEMOCRATIC. VALUES. </p>
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<p>Umm, that ain’t gonna happen by itself.  If they turn off our spigot and places like this stop happening, the Senate Democrats will go back to listening to the Broders and Shrums of the world.  Not hoopy.</p>
<p>Net Neutrality is the <i>essential tool</i> to obtain a Democratic Senate voting Democratic values.  Without that, I think we get such a Senate shortly after the Arctic icecap finishes melting.</p>
<p><a href="#comment-270223"><em>Pachacutec @<br />
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<blockquote><p>RT:  How do you think Schumer came around on net neutrality?  Do you think he did it on his own, or did he respond to pressure &#8211; <em>our</em> collective pressure &#8211; repeated, over and over and over? </p>
<p>The future belongs to those willing to fight for it.</p>
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<p>Hell yeah, I agree.  Didn’t I say, keep on pressuring him?  Damned straight.  But now that he’s come around, why are you so negative on him?  I mean, Schumer’s no better or worse than most Dems.  He doesn’t go around blaming his own party for all that’s wrong in the world, like Lieberman does.  He doesn’t kiss up to Bush like Lieberman does.  He *does* kiss up to the moneymen, like unfortunately an awful lot of Dems do, including my own House member, Steny Hoyer.</p>
<p>Yeah, we want to put pressure on them, and thereby change them.  We agree.  It’s your <i>evaluation</i> of Schumer that I’m questioning.  How many Senators or other major party figures have come out and said Lieberman should drop out of the race?  Kerry, Edwards, who else?  It’s a damned thin list.  </p>
<p>Schumer’s not the next Lieberman, unless we have a party full of them.  If Schumer’s the next to go, I can list 30 Dem Senators who ought to go right with him, and at that point, you’re making all the wingnuttery about purges sound plausible.</p>
<p>But Lieberman really was and is bad in ways that are very distinct from any *elected* Dem right now.  (OTOH, certain unelected Dems, such as Wittman, Klein, the whole DLC crew, most of the TNR bunch, etc. are in the same boat: kiss the GOP, kick their ‘own’ party, and be clueless on how bad Iraq really is.)  Comparing Schumer with Lieberman just because Schumer’s not ready to push Lieberman off the pier is a terrible comparison.</p>
<p>And yeah, Schumer fighting for net neutrality is a hell of a lot more important than Schumer pushing Lieberman off the pier.  Winning on Lieberman is like being given a fish; winning on net neutrality is like having a fishing rod and knowing how to use it.</p>
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		<title>By: HopeSpringsATurtle</title>
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		<dc:creator>HopeSpringsATurtle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 00:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-270289&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;john in sacramento @ 215 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-270257&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;HopeSpringsATurtle @ 214 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;OT:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Have to post it somewhere. AAR has &lt;b&gt;FIRED&lt;/b&gt; Mike Malloy. I am so shocked. I would like to start an email barrage like we do to congress. Mike Malloy was the one person&lt;br /&gt;
on AAR that spoke his mind. Anyone down to stand up for Malloy?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What???????&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That is &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;so&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; wrong on so many levels. Mike Malloy is the one person on AAR I go out of my way to listen to. Who do we contact?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I concur. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Contact info for AAR is &lt;b&gt;212-871-8290&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;email: &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;mailto:comments@airamericaradio.com&quot;&gt;comments@airamericaradio.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Let them know what &lt;em&gt;WE &lt;/em&gt;think. Thanks fdl.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-270289"><em>john in sacramento @ 215 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-270257"><em>HopeSpringsATurtle @ 214 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>OT:</p>
<p>Have to post it somewhere. AAR has <b>FIRED</b> Mike Malloy. I am so shocked. I would like to start an email barrage like we do to congress. Mike Malloy was the one person<br />
on AAR that spoke his mind. Anyone down to stand up for Malloy?</p>
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<p>What???????</p>
<p>That is <b><i>so</i></b> wrong on so many levels. Mike Malloy is the one person on AAR I go out of my way to listen to. Who do we contact?</p>
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<p>I concur. </p>
<p>Contact info for AAR is <b>212-871-8290</b></p>
<p>email: <b><a href="mailto:comments@airamericaradio.com">comments@airamericaradio.com</a></b></p>
<p>Let them know what <em>WE </em>think. Thanks fdl.</p>
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		<title>By: punaise</title>
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		<dc:creator>punaise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 00:21:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;recommended reading - &lt;a href=&quot;http://thenexthurrah.typepad.com/the_next_hurrah/2006/08/clearing_the_ai.html&quot;&gt;emptywheel&lt;/a&gt; on Teri Gross’ interviews on Iran. I missed Ledeen but caught a portion of the “sane” guy interview. He seemed so … what’s the word …. &lt;em&gt;reasonable&lt;/em&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>recommended reading &#8211; <a href="http://thenexthurrah.typepad.com/the_next_hurrah/2006/08/clearing_the_ai.html">emptywheel</a> on Teri Gross’ interviews on Iran. I missed Ledeen but caught a portion of the “sane” guy interview. He seemed so … what’s the word …. <em>reasonable</em>.</p>
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		<title>By: Oilfieldguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oilfieldguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 00:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Dear Chuck,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I appreciate your tepid letterhead endorsement of Ned Lamont.  Like when Bush told the “CIA guy” who gave him the Osama bin Laden Determined to Strike Inside the US.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“You’ve covered your ass.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But not from us.  This is a bold new world out here, Chucky Baby, and this shit just ain’t gonna cut it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Chuck,</p>
<p>I appreciate your tepid letterhead endorsement of Ned Lamont.  Like when Bush told the “CIA guy” who gave him the Osama bin Laden Determined to Strike Inside the US.</p>
<p>“You’ve covered your ass.”</p>
<p>But not from us.  This is a bold new world out here, Chucky Baby, and this shit just ain’t gonna cut it.</p>
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		<title>By: baghdad joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>baghdad joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Aug 2006 23:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Why not give the DSCC a quick phone call and ask Schumer to unequivocally support the nominee in the CT Senate race?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;I just did.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Once again, the DSCC contact number is:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(202) 224-2447&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not give the DSCC a quick phone call and ask Schumer to unequivocally support the nominee in the CT Senate race?</p>
<p><b>I just did.</b></p>
<p>Once again, the DSCC contact number is:</p>
<p>(202) 224-2447</p>
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		<title>By: Twisted Martini</title>
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		<dc:creator>Twisted Martini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Aug 2006 23:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-270289&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;john in sacramento @ 215&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-270257&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;HopeSpringsATurtle @ 214 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;OT:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Have to post it somewhere. AAR has &lt;b&gt;FIRED&lt;/b&gt; Mike Malloy. I am so shocked. I would like to start an email barrage like we do to congress. Mike Malloy was the one person on AAR that spoke his mind. Anyone down to stand up for Malloy?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What???????&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That is &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;so&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; wrong on so many levels. Mike Malloy is the one person on AAR I go out of my way to listen to. Who do we contact?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Air America is so tone deaf and clueless you’d be wasting your time.  The management team would fuck up a 2 car funeral parade.  Get sirius and listen to the young turks, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youngturks.com.&quot;&gt;www.youngturks.com.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-270289"><em>john in sacramento @ 215</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-270257"><em>HopeSpringsATurtle @ 214 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>OT:</p>
<p>Have to post it somewhere. AAR has <b>FIRED</b> Mike Malloy. I am so shocked. I would like to start an email barrage like we do to congress. Mike Malloy was the one person on AAR that spoke his mind. Anyone down to stand up for Malloy?</p>
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<p>What???????</p>
<p>That is <b><i>so</i></b> wrong on so many levels. Mike Malloy is the one person on AAR I go out of my way to listen to. Who do we contact?</p>
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<p>Air America is so tone deaf and clueless you’d be wasting your time.  The management team would fuck up a 2 car funeral parade.  Get sirius and listen to the young turks, <a href="http://www.youngturks.com."></a><a href="http://www.youngturks.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.youngturks.com</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: dannyboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>dannyboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Aug 2006 23:40:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Pach — This is probably the very best thing you’ve written yet:  well-reasoned, passionate, damned near perfect.  And I do not doubt that it will get to the very people it needs to.  The country thanks you (well, you know, the sane people now and future generations, if there are any).&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pach — This is probably the very best thing you’ve written yet:  well-reasoned, passionate, damned near perfect.  And I do not doubt that it will get to the very people it needs to.  The country thanks you (well, you know, the sane people now and future generations, if there are any).</p>
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		<title>By: john in sacramento</title>
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		<dc:creator>john in sacramento</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Aug 2006 23:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-270257&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;HopeSpringsATurtle @ 214 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;OT:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Have to post it somewhere. AAR has &lt;b&gt;FIRED&lt;/b&gt; Mike Malloy. I am so shocked. I would like to start an email barrage like we do to congress. Mike Malloy was the one person on AAR that spoke his mind. Anyone down to stand up for Malloy?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What???????&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That is &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;so&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; wrong on so many levels. Mike Malloy is the one person on AAR I go out of my way to listen to. Who do we contact?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-270257"><em>HopeSpringsATurtle @ 214 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>OT:</p>
<p>Have to post it somewhere. AAR has <b>FIRED</b> Mike Malloy. I am so shocked. I would like to start an email barrage like we do to congress. Mike Malloy was the one person on AAR that spoke his mind. Anyone down to stand up for Malloy?</p>
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<p>What???????</p>
<p>That is <b><i>so</i></b> wrong on so many levels. Mike Malloy is the one person on AAR I go out of my way to listen to. Who do we contact?</p>
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		<title>By: HopeSpringsATurtle</title>
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		<dc:creator>HopeSpringsATurtle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Aug 2006 23:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;OT:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Have to post it somewhere. AAR has &lt;b&gt;FIRED&lt;/b&gt; Mike Malloy. I am so shocked. I would like to start an email barrage like we do to congress. Mike Malloy was the one person on AAR that spoke his mind. Anyone down to stand up for Malloy?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OT:</p>
<p>Have to post it somewhere. AAR has <b>FIRED</b> Mike Malloy. I am so shocked. I would like to start an email barrage like we do to congress. Mike Malloy was the one person on AAR that spoke his mind. Anyone down to stand up for Malloy?</p>
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