
For progressives, there comes a point in time when reactive rage morphs into diamond hard, condensed will. From the Hartford Courant:
But Schumer turned cautious when talking about Connecticut, where Lieberman has led Lamont in post-primary polls.
"I can't predict who's going to win," Schumer said.
Asked if he would discourage Democrats from giving money to Lieberman, or from campaigning for the three-term incumbent, Schumer said, "We are supporting Ned Lamont. I'll be meeting with Ned Lamont to discuss what he needs," a meeting scheduled to occur in Washington next week.
But what if Democrats want to give to Lieberman?
Schumer gave the same answer: "We are supporting Ned Lamont."
Washington political analyst Jennifer Duffy explained why: "You can't afford to alienate Lieberman. Democrats are walking a very fine line."
Duffy, who was at the briefing, called Schumer's comments "a non-answer," explaining, "It just serves to demonstrate how tricky this race is for Democrats."
And again:
Lamont campaign manager Tom Swan thought Schumer would go further in signaling a desire to distance the party from Lieberman.
"I'm surprised Sen. Schumer didn't make stronger comments," Swan said, "considering Lieberman's campaign has so clearly mimicked [White House political guru] Karl Rove's playbook, undermining Democrats in Connecticut and across the country."
Recall that Schumer is singularly focused on winning control of the Senate. This New York Metro puff piece by our old friend (ahem) Ryan Lizza includes this little gem (emphasis added):
He is, famously, the Senate’s greatest fund-raiser and greatest TV hound, important qualifications for his new job. Schumer thought about running for governor this year but instead leveraged the threat of leaving the Senate to secure a spot on the powerful Finance Committee, which writes the nation’s tax laws and, not insignificant, is a perch that puts him in constant contact with the political donor class. “That was my dream,” he says. “I always wanted to be on the Finance Committee.”
Thus we have Chuck describing how he will punk the party to gain personal access to power and money through the "donor class." Cognitive Diss has a bit more review of Schumer's choices, priorities and values.
Let's recap some undisputed facts for the record: 1) Ned Lamont is the voter-chosen nominee of the Democratic Party of the state of Connecticut; 2) Joe Lieberman, primary loser, refuses to respect the will of the Democratic voters of Connecticut and has formed his own vanity party, Connecticut for Lieberman; 3) the Hartford Courant column rather accurately reflects, through a Schumer surrogate, Schumer's strategic calculations; 4) those calculations emphasize the DSCC's consistent overriding goal of taking back the Senate, but do not reflect any principled loyalty to Democratic Party voters; 5) we in the netroots have been quite happy to praise Schumer's good actions , including his (eventual) support for net neutrality; 6) Joe Lieberman is campaigning alongside Republicans and accepting institutional Republican support, including help from consultants and endorsements from national figures in the Republican Party; 7) political analysts and pollsters agree that Joe's only path to victory requires him to maximize turnout among GOP voters in Connecticut; 8) bringing GOP voters to the polls hurts other Democrats running for office in Connecticut, including three key House candidates relied upon to help take back the House in November, 9) Fox News has just today quoted Lieberman as saying, when asked if his candidacy would negatively affect other Democratic campaigns in the state, "Well, I guess I should say that they should have thought of that during the primary, but here we are." There could not be a clearer "Fuck you!" to Democrats than that.
The case against Lieberman as not only a traitor to the Democratic Party, but as an active agent of the Republican Party, is overwhelming. The only counterargument is his promise to caucus with the Democratic Party should he win reelection under the Connecticut for Lieberman Party banner. Chuck Schumer appears to give credence to that promise, but there are serious reasons to question his judgment in this matter: 1) the Hartford Courant article mentions the dangling threat that the Lieberman campaign is holding against the DC Democrats to caucus with the Republicans if he is not treated well during the campaign; 2) Tony Blankley, editor of the Moonie Washington Times and well known Republican mouthpiece, has also laundered this speculation on Hardball, signalling a probable deal already in place or, at the very least, already offered; 3) the Lieberman campaign's consistent pattern has been to lie whenever necessary to propel Joe's candidacy, and some reports suggest Lieberman previously promised both Harry Reid and Chuck Schumer that he would not run as an independent candidate if he were to be supported by the DC Democrats in the primary; 4) in order to believe Lieberman's promise to caucus with the Democrats, one must not only trust his word, one must believe that all of the national institutional Republican support for Lieberman's candidacy, including the decision by the NRSC not to support the state's Republican nominee, Alan Schlessinger, has been given to Lieberman freely and without cost, as part of no quid pro quo agreement, even though Karl Rove is on the record as having telephoned Lieberman right after Lieberman's loss in the primary; 5) in order to believe Lieberman's promise, one must also believe that he would support Democratic control of the Senate in spite of the fact that his voting base, and the foundation for his hypothetical win, is Republican.
From all of these things we can conclude that, if Chuck Schumer trusts Lieberman's word to caucus with the Democrats, he is either a fool, a reckless gambler or a man compromised. But even if we stipulate that Lieberman's word is good, Schumer is refusing to take a principled stand in support of the choice of actual Democratic voters in order to hedge his bets, with the goal of gaining a Democratic Majority in the Senate. In doing so, he is placing at risk downticket Democrats and control of the House of Representatives, which analysts agree is far more likely to swing to the Democrats than the Senate is.
An interesting side drama here is the conflict of interests between the DCCC headed by Rahm Emanuel and the DSCC headed by Schumer. Right after Lamont's primary win, Rahm Emanuel called Lieberman George Bush's "love child," but has since changed his tune. It apears that Rahm understood at first the implications of Lieberman's independent run, but then someone got to him. My guess would be that someone was Chuck Schumer.
Let me say that I do not begrudge Chuck Schumer his ambition. Everyone in Washington DC is ambitious. Ambition is what makes the town run. But based on all of this, I do emphatically fault Schumer's judgment in taking Lieberman at his word to caucus with Democrats, and even more fundamentally, I fault Schumer for his failure to take a stand in support of the clearly stated will of Connecticut's Democrats not only to support Ned Lamont, but also to reject Joe Lieberman. It is insufficient on its face to say "We are supporting Ned Lamont" when that support does not include a rejection of Joe Lieberman. Failure to reject, openly, Joe Lieberman is a betrayal of Connecticut's Democrats in favor of the accretion of personal or institutional power.
There are those who will argue, I'm sure, that is it inappropriate to call out Chuck Schumer so close to November, when there is so much on the line in the midterm elections. To that I can only respond by repeating my view, shared it seems by very many progressives in the netroots and grassroots: I am a progressive first and a Democrat second. The Democratic Party is not, in my view, the property of the elected officials who serve it, but rather of the people who elect those officials. A Democratic Senate majority that relies on Lieberman's loyalty to the caucus to sustain majority status is neither a stable, reliable majority nor is it an instrument that can reliably uphold and represent progressive values. So I will say this bluntly: I would rather not gain back the Senate than rely on Joe Lieberman to sustain Democratic control of the Senate.
However, I don't think there is really much risk of Leiberman being reelected if the Democratic Party insiders would take a principled, unified stand in support of the chosen nominee of the Connecticut Democratic Party voters. I appreciate that Schumer may feel blackmailed by Lieberman, that Lieberman is holding a metaphorical gun to the head of the DC incumbents in the party, but that gun is probably loaded with blanks. Connecticut is not Nebraska. When the DC party servants unite with the grassroots of the party, the party is stronger and Lieberman is outgunned. Given Lieberman's uncanny ability to alienate voters the more he campaigns, and given Lamont's remarkably broad appeal, Lieberman may very well implode anyway. The Lamont campaign has proven itself to be nimble and formidable, with all the momentum in its favor. The strategic downside risk of throwing Leiberman an anchor is not really so high, in my view. It's just not.
In the meantime, Schumer is auditioning to become the new bete noir of the grassroots and netroots. Progressives will not forget this. To Charles Schumer, I say, if you want to be the new Lieberman, once we dispense with the old one, you can have the job. The choice is yours.
I see Schumer is meeting with Lamont's people next week. Let's hope, for his sake and for the sake of the Democratic Party, he gets right on this by then. If he does not, then I would expect long term institutional planning to reduce Schumer's power will begin in earnest. It's no longer sufficient to write angry, reactive critiques of Schumer's choices and actions. Possible actions against Schumer will no doubt include pressure and outreach to the donor class Schumer seems to hold most dear. The Democratic Party is not the property of those elected to serve it or of the donors so interested in making friends on the Senate Finance Committee. It belongs instead to the people.
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Somehow I don’t see Schumer coming out against Lieberman.
Great post, pach.
Clearly he doesn’t want to come out TOO strong against Lieberdweeb, it would piss off his big money donors that he worked so hard to get close to.
Frankly I don’t think there’s any risk of Lieberman being re-elected at all. He digs his grave with his tongue (to quote Nina Foch in The Ten Commandments) The real question is when he loses will he accept defeat, or insist that he’s still Connecticut’s Senator — just as Saddma Hussein insists he’s still the President of Iraq.
Schumer is RealPolitik in action, and a lesson to us all.
We have all been operating under the assumption that liberal need to “win back” the Democratic Party. But that’s just not the way the game is played.
There’s only ONE party. The Power Party.
And it doesn’t want to have anything to do with the citizens of this country who aren’t in the top 2%.
That’s what KAPOS like Joe Klein are here for — to keep us in line. But we’re wise to his ilk. We’re wise to a lot of things.
But on of the things we’re NOT really wise to is the fact that “taking our country back” means overturning the status quo.
Utterly.
Your title says it all. Schumer’s ambition.
He holds out a threat and everyone runs to respond. I predict that he will follow in the footsteps of Lieberloser and form his own independent party if the good people of NY throw him out in a primary. Birds of a feather…
Good one Pacha. Schumer - the new Leiberman.
tommy yum @ 4
I’ll second that
ever-so-slightly OT:
LisaDawn posted this yesterday and I think it deserves a re-post. Me, Mommybrain, OFG and others are gonna start working (soon?) on a commercial for Ned by bloggers. This ‘ad’ is inspirational to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvpvlooR6hM
I’m starting to think Joe Lieberman is a home grown terrorist.
“…you can’t afford to alienate Lieberman”. Excuse me? This guy is gone, and the only people who don’t recognize this are the same brain surgeons who’ve given us four losing election cycles. STFU already - if Lieberman wins, he does the Dems no fucking good whatsoever.
HoJo has tossed his hat in with the Bush Crime Family. There is no way IF he gets elected that he sticks with the dems. The godfather will pay him a visit and it will be time to pay up.
So I will say this bluntly: I would rather not gain back the Senate than rely on Joe Lieberman to sustain Democratic control of the Senate.
That’s the bottom line: a Dem majority beholden to the whims of HoJo is not worth having, especially when push comes to shove on the critical issues.
And when is Schumer up for reelection? 08?
Thanks Pach!
OT but I am reeling from this followup post by Kos about George Allen and his buddies at the CCC (a relationship revealed by the Nation yesterday and blogged by Kos yesterday). He is sooooooooo in trouble now. Tis the end of his career– not even Karl can revive it.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/8/30/125558/900
To HopeSpringsATurtle at 11 -
Isn’t that line one of the funniest things you’ve seen? I found it on the web right before the Pres election and found it on YouTube again last night.
Bob Shrum: There’s a new sheriff in town - Tom Swan! Let’s hope Swan gets the campaign manager job for the ‘08 Presidential candidate.
(Findgold…oh please, oh please, oh please, if there is a god…)
Lieberman does put his big, stupid foot in his big, stupid mouth often enough that he seems to ensure his own demise. I hope this is the case. Being part of an informed community tho, its a tough call. The general public is really stoopid. I’m shocked how little they know. Worse yet, I was there only months ago, and thought I knew cause I watched the news critically. God was I ignorant of the information I wasn’t getting.
carolyn urban @ 16
2010.
Schumer is not coming out against HoJo because they are essentially in the same camp doctrinally. HoJo is only our first target. He won’t be our last, to take back the Dem Party.
Pachacutec’s Nine Points: clear, unequivocal, and now there’s Jack Kemp: A Lieberman Republican!
And the picture is perfect with this post too.
Block the Vote, it’s the new Democracy. Taken for a spin in Florida and Ohio, worked pretty good there. Didn’t quite have all our ducks in order in Connecticut, but we’ll be movin’ those Diebold’s in pretty quick. Meantime, the little people have spoken, sure, but WTF do they know? Let’s trust men like soft shoe Joe and Chuck Schumer to know what’s best for us.
Hey Chuck, got your Diebolds all set up in New York?
God, I love Swannie.
I love this picture. ;-)
Spot-on post, Pach - truly one I will keep for future reference.
I think we all understand ambition, but the risk that comes with ambition is that it will go blind, and that’s when it becomes a liability.
Where ambition hurts the people and ultimately, the party, is when the will of the voters is disregarded in favor of supporting incumbents who can support that ambition.
Schumer is saying the right things about supporting Lamont, but one senses that he sees no furtherance of his own ambitions in having Ned in the Senate instead of Joe.
btw, gang, Howie has a special Blue America edition coming up at 5:30 pm ET/2:30 pm PT with Brad Miller from the NC-13. Should be a great discussion — hope everyone can make it. :)
LisaDawn…uh huh…god damn fucking funny. seriously.
Christy:
this was an extremely logical disassembly of the Lieberman and Schumer positions. You showed that they both have other motifs than supporting the Democratic party. When the walls finally are going to crumble under the Republican implosion in November, Lieberman will be toast and Schumer will have some explaining to do.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 27
I’ll have to miss it, damn it all. Grilling Korean short ribs tonight!
Democrats see this race as “tricky”? What, are they out of their fucking minds?
There’s one party that is fucking up America. The economy, the war, national security, letting cities drown, ignoring global warming, and the list goes on.
There’s one party that should be *OPPOSING* those things, and Democrats can’t figure out that it’s them? How fucking stupid are they?
Do Schumer and Reid think Lieberman’s going to do *ANYTHING* positive for Democrats? EVER?
I don’t know whether to assume that they believe their own bullshit, or whether they think we’re going to believe their bullshit. *Neither* option makes me feel good about our leaders, and *neither* makes me optimistic about winning, or what’ll happen after we win if we do.
These guys like Shumer are always acting like… politicians… always triangulating their positions and not wanting to bite the hands that feed them (not the voters).
Were it not Shumer it would be another phony (such as Hillary) who plays the politix game.
Hopefully Ned’s poll numbers will show that he WILL win and when he does… they will all be his new best friends.
I don’t think you can expect too much from retail politics… these people are born to talk out of both sides of their mouths.
You will get the odd ball who, like Paul Wellstone, represents the interests of the PEOPLE and not the pursestring. Hopefully Ned will be similar… who knows? He IS off to an encouraging start eh?
The Democratic party is NOT A PROGRESSIVE PARTY.
The Democratic party plays, more or less by the same rules as the repubs.
We need to DEMAND term limits.
We need to DEMAND public financing.
We need to REGULATE lobbying
This would be only a start. Without these changes elections are like pissing into the wind.
Actually changing the system via elections is rather a long shot. It means progressive candidates… and their message getting out and resonating with voters… fair elections.
The status quo is the status quo because they control and make the rules which favor the… status quo. This is not about to change.
And I love Pach even more.
Lieberman has proven to have really only one principle.
That would be the “What’s in it for me?” principle.
Former job of Lieberman’s wife a campaign issue
By Don Michak, Journal Inquirer
08/30/2006
Hadassah Lieberman’s job last year with the health and pharmaceuticals division of one of the nation’s biggest public relations companies has become an issue in the re-election campaign of her husband, U.S. Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman.
http://www.journalinquirer.com.....&rfi=6
AND
CT GOP MAY BOLT TO LIEBERMAN
Wednesday, August 30, 2006 - FreeMarketNews.com
The Connecticut race for U.S. Senate is taking on some rather unusual twists. According to a post at Taegan Goddard’s Political Wire blog, there is a good chance that the re-entry in the race of Joe Lieberman as an Independent after his defeat in the Democrat primary may be drawing Republican support, at the expense of what is described as the “quixotic Senate candidacy of Republican Alan Schlesinger.”
The story notes that the recent vote of the Killingworth Republican Town Committee, to withdraw its endorsement of Schlesinger, might be only the first example, and that “a dozen more may follow, including at least one town that raises more money than any other for Republican causes around the state, Greenwich.”
http://www.freemarketnews.com/.....?nid=19894
Titanyum: Pachacutec’s post, not Christy’s
:-)
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2. This article is one of the most cogent, damning summaries of Hojo’s Trail Of Treason that I have come across. Come on Democratic leaders, get off your ass. Show some guts, or get the hell back to the rear and whine like a bunch of sissies. But I’m moving forward. And I’ll not be scared by HoJo’s Trail Of Treason.
Ghostman
Absolutely!!
I am a progressive (moderate) democrat. Notice the order of the words. I have already called the DSCC and the DCCC and told them in no uncertain terms that my monetary support rests on what actions they take against Lieberman. Too bad they have taken this course for too long, as I would have written a $200 check to both.
I also agree that all progressive eyes should now be focused upon Schumer. Learn and live, or don’t and die away.
That is the definitive statement on this entire race.
O/T where are the apologies to Jane for questioning her post last week about HoJo campaigning with Simmons now that HoJo is campaigning with Shays this week?
Has anyone ever noticed, Lieberman’s middle name is “I”!
A little news coverage with retorts by Lamont’s campaign on Joe’s new “serenity” commercial.
More here.
Yanni for Senate. LOL Okay, who said that?
tommy yum @ 30
Ah yes, those Koreans (being short) do have short ribs.
“I” Bubba Claudius.
Anchor-bot handoff on MSNBC omits any reference to RGJoe’s campaign losing steam or an upcoming feature thereon. But we’re all up-to-date on the Dallas car chase and the Fargo verdict, right?
Teddy at 44 — don’t forget the flash flood rescue. SIGH
Absolutely!!
I am a progressive (moderate) democrat. Notice the order of the words. I have already called the DSCC and the DCCC and told them in no uncertain terms that my monetary support rests on what actions they take against Lieberman. Too bad they have taken this course for too long, as I would have written a $200 check to both.
I also agree that all progressive eyes should now be focused upon Schumer. Learn and live, or don’t and die away.
PS-Don’t use this as a pitch for money. I give to individual candidates.
Rather than fulminate, I was after a more Glenn Greenwald type vivisection in this lengthy piece. I’m beyond ranting on this one, but ready to see some serious planning.
defjef at 32:
pessimism aside jef, we need to get the information before we can decide on it, and the MSM has been so shamefully off the job, that people like schumer get into office as ‘progressives’ because people don’t know any better.
i had the most disturbing discussion with a 25 year old female texan on one of my flights home from germany. she knows almost nothing about politics or bush’s indignities done to the constitution, yet she still supports him and votes republican.
we spent over an hour talking about a woman’s right to choose and it took me that long to get through to her that however you feel about a topic personally it wasn’t fair to impose that belief on others. this woman is a college graduate and applying for her teaching credential. since being in texas I have met lesbians that voted for bush, twice. I have talked myself blue in the face explaining to then that was like that was trying to be a member of the KKK when you’re black. most people just don’t get it. there has been a systematic dumbing-down of america since reagan that has influenced an entire american generation.. that is what needs to change or we will never be able to climb out of this morass of stupidity our country now finds itself in.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 45
See, we ‘merkuns do TOO have short-term memory loss!
just saw a short bit of Brian Williams w/ Fartacus - apparently the whole thing will be played on hardballs this afternoon…
the body language is real interesting… the earlier piece showed Brian asking Fart about the Katrina reponse and the chimpster looked like he wanted to punch Brian out (poking him in the chest, gesticulating all around Brian’s head)… then, in this bit, Brian asked about preznit’s father… and chimpy going on to say he received “unconditional love” from his dear old dad… but with his body was all kinda collapsed… very strange
Schumer is part of the Democratic machinery. This kind of hardball tactics is common in my state of NJ. The machine picks who is going to run and in this case, they picked Lieberman. Lieberman most likely had to make all kinds of promises to get the nod. Lot’s of “If elected again, you will support this guy for this and vote this way on that.” Joe was a shoo in.
They made no such deal with Lamont. They didn’t expect him to win so now they either have to renegotiate with Ned or stick with Lieberman.
While this episode shows that Schumer wants to be a kingmaker, it also speaks volumes about Lamont. There is something which is preventing Schumer from throwing his weight behind Lamont. Something Lamont is unwilling to compromise on. This is a good sign guys.
And as far as Lieberman is concerned, Tom Swan can and will dispatch him before this is all over. I would bet my life on it.
Pachacutec @ 47
Clearly, the Great January 2007 Swearing-In Party for Blue America should feature some strategy and serious planning sessions.
My agenda item for this powwow consists of three words: “Okay, who’s next?
When discussing Lieberman’s Pro-war status, it is important to ask the question “Which war”. While Lieberman may be starting to come around to the anti-Iraq, that doesn’t mean he is anti-Hezbollah or anti-Iran. And what about Afghanistan? When I talk to people at the supermarket and they say well, Bush is tough on war–I always say well, which one do you mean….there are so many right now that I just want to clarify that point.
And Pach, this is your best posted thread. You do so much and I thank you.
Alice Marshall @ 4
Well, isn’t that interesting. Nonpartisan, my *ss.
I see in the list of signatories that Andrew McCarthy describes himself as a “terrorism expert.” Does he have any actual expertise on the subject, other than his own, erm, soi-disantness?
Pachacutec @ 47
Okay, okay. Just as soon as we’re finished ranting.
Lieberman should have called it the “School on Saturday Party.” ‘Cause he ain’t got no class.
that Brian Williams interview with the Preznit was on Olberman last night … good interview — Bush was acting ‘pressed’.
OldCoastie @ 50
I saw that clip and focused on the body language too. Perhaps Brian got this interview by agreeing not to turn to the camera and say, “Are you seeing this lunatic, America? Are you seeing this crazy person?”
Only the North Koreans are short
The Nefarious Leslie 54, thank you, I was beginning to think no one had looked at the link.
In other words, if he starts talking pull the troops, this could affect the Jewish vote, because of Israel. I don’t know how to write what I am thinking here…anyway, my house is getting hammered right now with torrential rain and winds are kicking up. I soon will lose power. The cable is out. Power still on right now.
Should my house get blown away, hehe, I love you guys!
Teddy -
I don’t know why that part stands out so clearly in this… but it is really obvious. (prolley because he IS getting close to snapping - that was my impression anyway)
TeddySanFran @ 52
Damn skippy! I’ve been there for a while now.
cmask 60 - keep safe
Anchor change at MSNBC to Alex Witt–who has worn her Rethuglican bias as boldly as the cheesy glam hairstyle. No surprise J-Lie losing steam story gets no further comment from her.
ccmask, be safe, and keep us posted as best you can.
OldCoastie @
61
I don’t know why that part stands out so clearly in this… but it is really obvious. (prolley because he IS getting close to snapping - that was my impression anyway)
Well, I admit I focused on the body language ‘cuz my teevee was MOOTED. Can’t have W’s voice in my house.
Can’t.
The Nefarious Leslie @ 62
Who’s next? Mark Pryor. Wes Clark anyone?
hope those hatches are battoned down cc. please take care. Is your puter on a power strip? Please say yes. IF THERE IS ANYTHING i CAN DO FROM HERE LET ME KNOW. Doc T is in FLA..does that help? Hang in there.
TeddySanFran @ 66
I figured I just don’t listen to what he’s saying at all any more…
Well, I admit I focused on the body language ‘cuz my teevee was MOOTED. Can’t have W’s voice in my house.
Can’t.
TeddySanFran @ 52
Dems up for reelection in 2008:
Name State Class Year
————————————
Baucus MT II 2008
Biden DE II 2008
Durbin IL II 2008
Harkin IA II 2008
Johnson SD II 2008
Kerry MA II 2008
Landrieu LA II 2008
Lautenberg NJ II 2008
Levin MI II 2008
Pryor AR II 2008
Reed RI II 2008
Rockefeller WV II 2008
Alice Marshall @
4
Thanks, Alice Marshall, I clicked your link.
Donna Brazile is a co-signer with Zell Miller? Schumer’s on there with Kemp? Worth a click, FDL.
preview is my FRIEND!
was sayin’ that I just don’t listen to a single word any more - keeps that “dizzy factor” I get down to a minimum…
As a New Yorker, I will not send Schumer a damn dime, nor vote for him when his term is up unless he unequivocably supports Lamont and asks Lie-berman to withdraw.
Interesting take on Bush’s body language (and manners) from yesterday. I didn’t see this, but someone who did was very disgusted that when Bush and the First Lady went into the pancake house, FL walked around to her chair, waited as Bush came in, and instead of getting her chair for her he just plopped down. Apparently FL with the fixed smile gets her chair herself. Older person, fuming that the First Lady of the US has all these people around including her husband and no one gets her chair. Funny how just plain bad manners can make people form a dead set opinion.
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angie@149 below thread - Kemp said he admired Lieberman’s views on civil rights, defense, programs for public housing and economic development in depressed urban areas.
Hmm, so he’s in favor of squandering our national defense capabilities and resources in Iraq, FEMA trailers with 9 billion in waste and fraud and a sell out Committee report that never makes the WH turn over docs, and renting a field several states removed to store the FEMA trailers that were never delivered, especially since it’s all “those kind of people” involved. AttaboyJack.
What Republican isn’t a Lieberman kind of Republican?
“Yanni for Senate”
LMAO, thanks SharonW for the link.
ccmask: No, thank you. You guys give me hope and keep me sane. All of us here at FDL do this stuff for you all.
John Casper @ 75
Paging Mr. Darkblack…
TeddySanFran - thanks for the comment. Three cheers for lefty blogosphere and distributed research.
oh for pity’s sake!
(emphasis mine)
http://www.courant.com/news/po.....tics-state
Kurt’s List:
So Biden and Kerry gonna plan an RGJoe two-fer? Gonna run for your safe Delaware and Massachusetts Senate seats while ya run for Prez too, Joe and JForbes?
I think Senate Dems up in 2008 are gonna see their incumbency as worth protecting above all else. But, I wonder if Jay Rockefeller would stand down for Christy Hardin Smith.
mmmmmm Pryor.
And does New Jersey just ALWAYS get to elect Senators? Seems like one of their seats is ALWAYS up. Just saying’
I am dying. I love it. j-lie…mmmwwaaahhaahhha
Hang in there ccmask, I’ll have a good thought for you.
OT but inneresting:
In an attempt to get the Republican awkward-as-a-write-in canditate Shelley Sekula-Gibbs on the ballot so Repubs have in front of them what they’re supposed to write in, people may be confused and not realize that the box-check is just for the rest of this term, but they need to write in for the next full term. Thus, paradoxically, this little gambit may wind up depressing write-in support for the Repub - if people thought all they needed to do was check the box. Heh.
Oooh Ho HO Pach! A DANDY POST!
snip…
Honestly?! What’s WRONG with those people!?! IMO, they’re not just walking a fine line. They’ve fallen SPLAT! over the line into a pile of, well…, let’s just say it stinks all the way over here in OH! Talkin’ image and loyalty and all that good stuff?? SaywhuhHUH???
Good Gollymunchers! WHAT will it take for them to wake up?!
Glad you said it t-w-i-c-e, n-i-c-e and s-l-o-w, t-w-i-c-e-as-n-i-c-e, for the good folks, Pach.
snip…
Here, over here. That’s a good little partyleader. Want some nice “Bonkers” treats? Now SIT. STAY! That’s a good fella.
HON? COULD YOU BE A DOLL AND PLEASE GRAB THAT LEASH?
EGAD! & EEEWW! I just can’t DO that! Do we HAVE to be so nice? These wheelerdealers are SELLING OUR COUNTRY!
I’ll be surprised if they’re not bombarded by 20 trillion copies of yer post thru Spotlight, Pach, not that I would do such a petty little thing, …. not that there’s anything wrong with that…
*Dang! Where’d I put that fan???*
angie @ 79
“Very much a sunrise.” Can you smell the desperation? Dangerstein (hah!) is reduced to arguing about the time of day.
Shooting in Orange County HS, Hillborough, NC. MSNBC breaking.
Meantime, W in NO.
At the risk of sounding like Schumer, couldn’t we look at Republican seats up for reelection in 2008 and make sure we have progressive Democratic candidates in those places?
New thread, it’s been back-timed, so it’s not at the top of the page…
I’m fine everyone! Thanks. Ernesto’s whistling has begun and my bedroom’s sliding glass door is leaking like cells’ out of Lieberman’s head! Wooohoooo. Glad I got them crackers!
ccmask — stay safe, please!
“Ekillletik”
chimpy - “I got an eca-lectic readin’ list!”
And just to bring the recent news on the commercial full circle to Pach’s post:
yup suuure, Fartacus reads Camus and Shakespeare.
right.
idjiit
angie - not “Shakespeare” - THREE Shakespeares!
notice he didn’t answer the question about the backstory on camus…
he had no clue…