
For progressives, there comes a point in time when reactive rage morphs into diamond hard, condensed will. From the Hartford Courant:
But Schumer turned cautious when talking about Connecticut, where Lieberman has led Lamont in post-primary polls.
"I can’t predict who’s going to win," Schumer said.
Asked if he would discourage Democrats from giving money to Lieberman, or from campaigning for the three-term incumbent, Schumer said, "We are supporting Ned Lamont. I’ll be meeting with Ned Lamont to discuss what he needs," a meeting scheduled to occur in Washington next week.
But what if Democrats want to give to Lieberman?
Schumer gave the same answer: "We are supporting Ned Lamont."
Washington political analyst Jennifer Duffy explained why: "You can’t afford to alienate Lieberman. Democrats are walking a very fine line."
Duffy, who was at the briefing, called Schumer’s comments "a non-answer," explaining, "It just serves to demonstrate how tricky this race is for Democrats."
And again:
Lamont campaign manager Tom Swan thought Schumer would go further in signaling a desire to distance the party from Lieberman.
"I’m surprised Sen. Schumer didn’t make stronger comments," Swan said, "considering Lieberman’s campaign has so clearly mimicked [White House political guru] Karl Rove’s playbook, undermining Democrats in Connecticut and across the country."
Recall that Schumer is singularly focused on winning control of the Senate. This New York Metro puff piece by our old friend (ahem) Ryan Lizza includes this little gem (emphasis added):
He is, famously, the Senate’s greatest fund-raiser and greatest TV hound, important qualifications for his new job. Schumer thought about running for governor this year but instead leveraged the threat of leaving the Senate to secure a spot on the powerful Finance Committee, which writes the nation’s tax laws and, not insignificant, is a perch that puts him in constant contact with the political donor class. “That was my dream,” he says. “I always wanted to be on the Finance Committee.”
Thus we have Chuck describing how he will punk the party to gain personal access to power and money through the "donor class." Cognitive Diss has a bit more review of Schumer’s choices, priorities and values.
Let’s recap some undisputed facts for the record: 1) Ned Lamont is the voter-chosen nominee of the Democratic Party of the state of Connecticut; 2) Joe Lieberman, primary loser, refuses to respect the will of the Democratic voters of Connecticut and has formed his own vanity party, Connecticut for Lieberman; 3) the Hartford Courant column rather accurately reflects, through a Schumer surrogate, Schumer’s strategic calculations; 4) those calculations emphasize the DSCC’s consistent overriding goal of taking back the Senate, but do not reflect any principled loyalty to Democratic Party voters; 5) we in the netroots have been quite happy to praise Schumer’s good actions , including his (eventual) support for net neutrality; 6) Joe Lieberman is campaigning alongside Republicans and accepting institutional Republican support, including help from consultants and endorsements from national figures in the Republican Party; 7) political analysts and pollsters agree that Joe’s only path to victory requires him to maximize turnout among GOP voters in Connecticut; 8) bringing GOP voters to the polls hurts other Democrats running for office in Connecticut, including three key House candidates relied upon to help take back the House in November, 9) Fox News has just today quoted Lieberman as saying, when asked if his candidacy would negatively affect other Democratic campaigns in the state, "Well, I guess I should say that they should have thought of that during the primary, but here we are." There could not be a clearer "Fuck you!" to Democrats than that.
The case against Lieberman as not only a traitor to the Democratic Party, but as an active agent of the Republican Party, is overwhelming. The only counterargument is his promise to caucus with the Democratic Party should he win reelection under the Connecticut for Lieberman Party banner. Chuck Schumer appears to give credence to that promise, but there are serious reasons to question his judgment in this matter: 1) the Hartford Courant article mentions the dangling threat that the Lieberman campaign is holding against the DC Democrats to caucus with the Republicans if he is not treated well during the campaign; 2) Tony Blankley, editor of the Moonie Washington Times and well known Republican mouthpiece, has also laundered this speculation on Hardball, signalling a probable deal already in place or, at the very least, already offered; 3) the Lieberman campaign’s consistent pattern has been to lie whenever necessary to propel Joe’s candidacy, and some reports suggest Lieberman previously promised both Harry Reid and Chuck Schumer that he would not run as an independent candidate if he were to be supported by the DC Democrats in the primary; 4) in order to believe Lieberman’s promise to caucus with the Democrats, one must not only trust his word, one must believe that all of the national institutional Republican support for Lieberman’s candidacy, including the decision by the NRSC not to support the state’s Republican nominee, Alan Schlessinger, has been given to Lieberman freely and without cost, as part of no quid pro quo agreement, even though Karl Rove is on the record as having telephoned Lieberman right after Lieberman’s loss in the primary; 5) in order to believe Lieberman’s promise, one must also believe that he would support Democratic control of the Senate in spite of the fact that his voting base, and the foundation for his hypothetical win, is Republican.
From all of these things we can conclude that, if Chuck Schumer trusts Lieberman’s word to caucus with the Democrats, he is either a fool, a reckless gambler or a man compromised. But even if we stipulate that Lieberman’s word is good, Schumer is refusing to take a principled stand in support of the choice of actual Democratic voters in order to hedge his bets, with the goal of gaining a Democratic Majority in the Senate. In doing so, he is placing at risk downticket Democrats and control of the House of Representatives, which analysts agree is far more likely to swing to the Democrats than the Senate is.
An interesting side drama here is the conflict of interests between the DCCC headed by Rahm Emanuel and the DSCC headed by Schumer. Right after Lamont’s primary win, Rahm Emanuel called Lieberman George Bush’s "love child," but has since changed his tune. It apears that Rahm understood at first the implications of Lieberman’s independent run, but then someone got to him. My guess would be that someone was Chuck Schumer.
Let me say that I do not begrudge Chuck Schumer his ambition. Everyone in Washington DC is ambitious. Ambition is what makes the town run. But based on all of this, I do emphatically fault Schumer’s judgment in taking Lieberman at his word to caucus with Democrats, and even more fundamentally, I fault Schumer for his failure to take a stand in support of the clearly stated will of Connecticut’s Democrats not only to support Ned Lamont, but also to reject Joe Lieberman. It is insufficient on its face to say "We are supporting Ned Lamont" when that support does not include a rejection of Joe Lieberman. Failure to reject, openly, Joe Lieberman is a betrayal of Connecticut’s Democrats in favor of the accretion of personal or institutional power.
There are those who will argue, I’m sure, that is it inappropriate to call out Chuck Schumer so close to November, when there is so much on the line in the midterm elections. To that I can only respond by repeating my view, shared it seems by very many progressives in the netroots and grassroots: I am a progressive first and a Democrat second. The Democratic Party is not, in my view, the property of the elected officials who serve it, but rather of the people who elect those officials. A Democratic Senate majority that relies on Lieberman’s loyalty to the caucus to sustain majority status is neither a stable, reliable majority nor is it an instrument that can reliably uphold and represent progressive values. So I will say this bluntly: I would rather not gain back the Senate than rely on Joe Lieberman to sustain Democratic control of the Senate.
However, I don’t think there is really much risk of Leiberman being reelected if the Democratic Party insiders would take a principled, unified stand in support of the chosen nominee of the Connecticut Democratic Party voters. I appreciate that Schumer may feel blackmailed by Lieberman, that Lieberman is holding a metaphorical gun to the head of the DC incumbents in the party, but that gun is probably loaded with blanks. Connecticut is not Nebraska. When the DC party servants unite with the grassroots of the party, the party is stronger and Lieberman is outgunned. Given Lieberman’s uncanny ability to alienate voters the more he campaigns, and given Lamont’s remarkably broad appeal, Lieberman may very well implode anyway. The Lamont campaign has proven itself to be nimble and formidable, with all the momentum in its favor. The strategic downside risk of throwing Leiberman an anchor is not really so high, in my view. It’s just not.
In the meantime, Schumer is auditioning to become the new bete noir of the grassroots and netroots. Progressives will not forget this. To Charles Schumer, I say, if you want to be the new Lieberman, once we dispense with the old one, you can have the job. The choice is yours.
I see Schumer is meeting with Lamont’s people next week. Let’s hope, for his sake and for the sake of the Democratic Party, he gets right on this by then. If he does not, then I would expect long term institutional planning to reduce Schumer’s power will begin in earnest. It’s no longer sufficient to write angry, reactive critiques of Schumer’s choices and actions. Possible actions against Schumer will no doubt include pressure and outreach to the donor class Schumer seems to hold most dear. The Democratic Party is not the property of those elected to serve it or of the donors so interested in making friends on the Senate Finance Committee. It belongs instead to the people.
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Somehow I don’t see Schumer coming out against Lieberman.
Great post, pach.
Clearly he doesn’t want to come out TOO strong against Lieberdweeb, it would piss off his big money donors that he worked so hard to get close to.
Frankly I don’t think there’s any risk of Lieberman being re-elected at all. He digs his grave with his tongue (to quote Nina Foch in The Ten Commandments) The real question is when he loses will he accept defeat, or insist that he’s still Connecticut’s Senator — just as Saddma Hussein insists he’s still the President of Iraq.
Schumer is RealPolitik in action, and a lesson to us all.
We have all been operating under the assumption that liberal need to “win back” the Democratic Party. But that’s just not the way the game is played.
There’s only ONE party. The Power Party.
And it doesn’t want to have anything to do with the citizens of this country who aren’t in the top 2%.
That’s what KAPOS like Joe Klein are here for — to keep us in line. But we’re wise to his ilk. We’re wise to a lot of things.
But on of the things we’re NOT really wise to is the fact that “taking our country back” means overturning the status quo.
Utterly.
Your title says it all. Schumer’s ambition.
He holds out a threat and everyone runs to respond. I predict that he will follow in the footsteps of Lieberloser and form his own independent party if the good people of NY throw him out in a primary. Birds of a feather…
Good one Pacha. Schumer – the new Leiberman.
tommy yum @ 4
I’ll second that
ever-so-slightly OT:
LisaDawn posted this yesterday and I think it deserves a re-post. Me, Mommybrain, OFG and others are gonna start working (soon?) on a commercial for Ned by bloggers. This ‘ad’ is inspirational to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvpvlooR6hM
I’m starting to think Joe Lieberman is a home grown terrorist.
“…you can’t afford to alienate Lieberman”. Excuse me? This guy is gone, and the only people who don’t recognize this are the same brain surgeons who’ve given us four losing election cycles. STFU already – if Lieberman wins, he does the Dems no fucking good whatsoever.
HoJo has tossed his hat in with the Bush Crime Family. There is no way IF he gets elected that he sticks with the dems. The godfather will pay him a visit and it will be time to pay up.
So I will say this bluntly: I would rather not gain back the Senate than rely on Joe Lieberman to sustain Democratic control of the Senate.
That’s the bottom line: a Dem majority beholden to the whims of HoJo is not worth having, especially when push comes to shove on the critical issues.
And when is Schumer up for reelection? 08?
Thanks Pach!
OT but I am reeling from this followup post by Kos about George Allen and his buddies at the CCC (a relationship revealed by the Nation yesterday and blogged by Kos yesterday). He is sooooooooo in trouble now. Tis the end of his career– not even Karl can revive it.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/8/30/125558/900
To HopeSpringsATurtle at 11 –
Isn’t that line one of the funniest things you’ve seen? I found it on the web right before the Pres election and found it on YouTube again last night.
Bob Shrum: There’s a new sheriff in town – Tom Swan! Let’s hope Swan gets the campaign manager job for the ‘08 Presidential candidate.
(Findgold…oh please, oh please, oh please, if there is a god…)
Lieberman does put his big, stupid foot in his big, stupid mouth often enough that he seems to ensure his own demise. I hope this is the case. Being part of an informed community tho, its a tough call. The general public is really stoopid. I’m shocked how little they know. Worse yet, I was there only months ago, and thought I knew cause I watched the news critically. God was I ignorant of the information I wasn’t getting.
carolyn urban @ 16
2010.
Schumer is not coming out against HoJo because they are essentially in the same camp doctrinally. HoJo is only our first target. He won’t be our last, to take back the Dem Party.
Pachacutec’s Nine Points: clear, unequivocal, and now there’s Jack Kemp: A Lieberman Republican!
And the picture is perfect with this post too.
Block the Vote, it’s the new Democracy. Taken for a spin in Florida and Ohio, worked pretty good there. Didn’t quite have all our ducks in order in Connecticut, but we’ll be movin’ those Diebold’s in pretty quick. Meantime, the little people have spoken, sure, but WTF do they know? Let’s trust men like soft shoe Joe and Chuck Schumer to know what’s best for us.
Hey Chuck, got your Diebolds all set up in New York?
God, I love Swannie.
I love this picture. ;-)
Spot-on post, Pach – truly one I will keep for future reference.
I think we all understand ambition, but the risk that comes with ambition is that it will go blind, and that’s when it becomes a liability.
Where ambition hurts the people and ultimately, the party, is when the will of the voters is disregarded in favor of supporting incumbents who can support that ambition.
Schumer is saying the right things about supporting Lamont, but one senses that he sees no furtherance of his own ambitions in having Ned in the Senate instead of Joe.
btw, gang, Howie has a special Blue America edition coming up at 5:30 pm ET/2:30 pm PT with Brad Miller from the NC-13. Should be a great discussion — hope everyone can make it. :)
LisaDawn…uh huh…god damn fucking funny. seriously.
Christy:
this was an extremely logical disassembly of the Lieberman and Schumer positions. You showed that they both have other motifs than supporting the Democratic party. When the walls finally are going to crumble under the Republican implosion in November, Lieberman will be toast and Schumer will have some explaining to do.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 27
I’ll have to miss it, damn it all. Grilling Korean short ribs tonight!
Democrats see this race as “tricky”? What, are they out of their fucking minds?
There’s one party that is fucking up America. The economy, the war, national security, letting cities drown, ignoring global warming, and the list goes on.
There’s one party that should be *OPPOSING* those things, and Democrats can’t figure out that it’s them? How fucking stupid are they?
Do Schumer and Reid think Lieberman’s going to do *ANYTHING* positive for Democrats? EVER?
I don’t know whether to assume that they believe their own bullshit, or whether they think we’re going to believe their bullshit. *Neither* option makes me feel good about our leaders, and *neither* makes me optimistic about winning, or what’ll happen after we win if we do.
These guys like Shumer are always acting like… politicians… always triangulating their positions and not wanting to bite the hands that feed them (not the voters).
Were it not Shumer it would be another phony (such as Hillary) who plays the politix game.
Hopefully Ned’s poll numbers will show that he WILL win and when he does… they will all be his new best friends.
I don’t think you can expect too much from retail politics… these people are born to talk out of both sides of their mouths.
You will get the odd ball who, like Paul Wellstone, represents the interests of the PEOPLE and not the pursestring. Hopefully Ned will be similar… who knows? He IS off to an encouraging start eh?
The Democratic party is NOT A PROGRESSIVE PARTY.
The Democratic party plays, more or less by the same rules as the repubs.
We need to DEMAND term limits.
We need to DEMAND public financing.
We need to REGULATE lobbying
This would be only a start. Without these changes elections are like pissing into the wind.
Actually changing the system via elections is rather a long shot. It means progressive candidates… and their message getting out and resonating with voters… fair elections.
The status quo is the status quo because they control and make the rules which favor the… status quo. This is not about to change.
And I love Pach even more.
Lieberman has proven to have really only one principle.
That would be the “What’s in it for me?” principle.
Former job of Lieberman’s wife a campaign issue
By Don Michak, Journal Inquirer
08/30/2006
Hadassah Lieberman’s job last year with the health and pharmaceuticals division of one of the nation’s biggest public relations companies has become an issue in the re-election campaign of her husband, U.S. Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman.
http://www.journalinquirer.com…..&rfi=6
AND
CT GOP MAY BOLT TO LIEBERMAN
Wednesday, August 30, 2006 – FreeMarketNews.com
The Connecticut race for U.S. Senate is taking on some rather unusual twists. According to a post at Taegan Goddard’s Political Wire blog, there is a good chance that the re-entry in the race of Joe Lieberman as an Independent after his defeat in the Democrat primary may be drawing Republican support, at the expense of what is described as the “quixotic Senate candidacy of Republican Alan Schlesinger.”
The story notes that the recent vote of the Killingworth Republican Town Committee, to withdraw its endorsement of Schlesinger, might be only the first example, and that “a dozen more may follow, including at least one town that raises more money than any other for Republican causes around the state, Greenwich.”
http://www.freemarketnews.com/…..?nid=19894
Titanyum: Pachacutec’s post, not Christy’s
:-)
[edited by moderator]
2. This article is one of the most cogent, damning summaries of Hojo’s Trail Of Treason that I have come across. Come on Democratic leaders, get off your ass. Show some guts, or get the hell back to the rear and whine like a bunch of sissies. But I’m moving forward. And I’ll not be scared by HoJo’s Trail Of Treason.
Ghostman
Absolutely!!
I am a progressive (moderate) democrat. Notice the order of the words. I have already called the DSCC and the DCCC and told them in no uncertain terms that my monetary support rests on what actions they take against Lieberman. Too bad they have taken this course for too long, as I would have written a $200 check to both.
I also agree that all progressive eyes should now be focused upon Schumer. Learn and live, or don’t and die away.
That is the definitive statement on this entire race.
O/T where are the apologies to Jane for questioning her post last week about HoJo campaigning with Simmons now that HoJo is campaigning with Shays this week?
Has anyone ever noticed, Lieberman’s middle name is “I”!
A little news coverage with retorts by Lamont’s campaign on Joe’s new “serenity” commercial.
More here.
Yanni for Senate. LOL Okay, who said that?
tommy yum @ 30
Ah yes, those Koreans (being short) do have short ribs.
“I” Bubba Claudius.
Anchor-bot handoff on MSNBC omits any reference to RGJoe’s campaign losing steam or an upcoming feature thereon. But we’re all up-to-date on the Dallas car chase and the Fargo verdict, right?
Teddy at 44 — don’t forget the flash flood rescue. SIGH
Absolutely!!
I am a progressive (moderate) democrat. Notice the order of the words. I have already called the DSCC and the DCCC and told them in no uncertain terms that my monetary support rests on what actions they take against Lieberman. Too bad they have taken this course for too long, as I would have written a $200 check to both.
I also agree that all progressive eyes should now be focused upon Schumer. Learn and live, or don’t and die away.
PS-Don’t use this as a pitch for money. I give to individual candidates.
Rather than fulminate, I was after a more Glenn Greenwald type vivisection in this lengthy piece. I’m beyond ranting on this one, but ready to see some serious planning.
defjef at 32:
pessimism aside jef, we need to get the information before we can decide on it, and the MSM has been so shamefully off the job, that people like schumer get into office as ‘progressives’ because people don’t know any better.
i had the most disturbing discussion with a 25 year old female texan on one of my flights home from germany. she knows almost nothing about politics or bush’s indignities done to the constitution, yet she still supports him and votes republican.
we spent over an hour talking about a woman’s right to choose and it took me that long to get through to her that however you feel about a topic personally it wasn’t fair to impose that belief on others. this woman is a college graduate and applying for her teaching credential. since being in texas I have met lesbians that voted for bush, twice. I have talked myself blue in the face explaining to then that was like that was trying to be a member of the KKK when you’re black. most people just don’t get it. there has been a systematic dumbing-down of america since reagan that has influenced an entire american generation.. that is what needs to change or we will never be able to climb out of this morass of stupidity our country now finds itself in.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 45
See, we ‘merkuns do TOO have short-term memory loss!
just saw a short bit of Brian Williams w/ Fartacus – apparently the whole thing will be played on hardballs this afternoon…
the body language is real interesting… the earlier piece showed Brian asking Fart about the Katrina reponse and the chimpster looked like he wanted to punch Brian out (poking him in the chest, gesticulating all around Brian’s head)… then, in this bit, Brian asked about preznit’s father… and chimpy going on to say he received “unconditional love” from his dear old dad… but with his body was all kinda collapsed… very strange
Schumer is part of the Democratic machinery. This kind of hardball tactics is common in my state of NJ. The machine picks who is going to run and in this case, they picked Lieberman. Lieberman most likely had to make all kinds of promises to get the nod. Lot’s of “If elected again, you will support this guy for this and vote this way on that.” Joe was a shoo in.
They made no such deal with Lamont. They didn’t expect him to win so now they either have to renegotiate with Ned or stick with Lieberman.
While this episode shows that Schumer wants to be a kingmaker, it also speaks volumes about Lamont. There is something which is preventing Schumer from throwing his weight behind Lamont. Something Lamont is unwilling to compromise on. This is a good sign guys.
And as far as Lieberman is concerned, Tom Swan can and will dispatch him before this is all over. I would bet my life on it.
Pachacutec @ 47
Clearly, the Great January 2007 Swearing-In Party for Blue America should feature some strategy and serious planning sessions.
My agenda item for this powwow consists of three words: “Okay, who’s next?
When discussing Lieberman’s Pro-war status, it is important to ask the question “Which war”. While Lieberman may be starting to come around to the anti-Iraq, that doesn’t mean he is anti-Hezbollah or anti-Iran. And what about Afghanistan? When I talk to people at the supermarket and they say well, Bush is tough on war–I always say well, which one do you mean….there are so many right now that I just want to clarify that point.
And Pach, this is your best posted thread. You do so much and I thank you.
Alice Marshall @ 4
Well, isn’t that interesting. Nonpartisan, my *ss.
I see in the list of signatories that Andrew McCarthy describes himself as a “terrorism expert.” Does he have any actual expertise on the subject, other than his own, erm, soi-disantness?
Pachacutec @ 47
Okay, okay. Just as soon as we’re finished ranting.
Lieberman should have called it the “School on Saturday Party.” ‘Cause he ain’t got no class.
that Brian Williams interview with the Preznit was on Olberman last night … good interview — Bush was acting ‘pressed’.
OldCoastie @ 50
I saw that clip and focused on the body language too. Perhaps Brian got this interview by agreeing not to turn to the camera and say, “Are you seeing this lunatic, America? Are you seeing this crazy person?”
Only the North Koreans are short
The Nefarious Leslie 54, thank you, I was beginning to think no one had looked at the link.
In other words, if he starts talking pull the troops, this could affect the Jewish vote, because of Israel. I don’t know how to write what I am thinking here…anyway, my house is getting hammered right now with torrential rain and winds are kicking up. I soon will lose power. The cable is out. Power still on right now.
Should my house get blown away, hehe, I love you guys!
Teddy -
I don’t know why that part stands out so clearly in this… but it is really obvious. (prolley because he IS getting close to snapping – that was my impression anyway)
TeddySanFran @ 52
Damn skippy! I’ve been there for a while now.
cmask 60 – keep safe
Anchor change at MSNBC to Alex Witt–who has worn her Rethuglican bias as boldly as the cheesy glam hairstyle. No surprise J-Lie losing steam story gets no further comment from her.
ccmask, be safe, and keep us posted as best you can.
OldCoastie @
61
I don’t know why that part stands out so clearly in this… but it is really obvious. (prolley because he IS getting close to snapping – that was my impression anyway)
Well, I admit I focused on the body language ‘cuz my teevee was MOOTED. Can’t have W’s voice in my house.
Can’t.
The Nefarious Leslie @ 62
Who’s next? Mark Pryor. Wes Clark anyone?
hope those hatches are battoned down cc. please take care. Is your puter on a power strip? Please say yes. IF THERE IS ANYTHING i CAN DO FROM HERE LET ME KNOW. Doc T is in FLA..does that help? Hang in there.
TeddySanFran @ 66
I figured I just don’t listen to what he’s saying at all any more…
Well, I admit I focused on the body language ‘cuz my teevee was MOOTED. Can’t have W’s voice in my house.
Can’t.
TeddySanFran @ 52
Dems up for reelection in 2008:
Name State Class Year
————————————
Baucus MT II 2008
Biden DE II 2008
Durbin IL II 2008
Harkin IA II 2008
Johnson SD II 2008
Kerry MA II 2008
Landrieu LA II 2008
Lautenberg NJ II 2008
Levin MI II 2008
Pryor AR II 2008
Reed RI II 2008
Rockefeller WV II 2008
Alice Marshall @
4
Thanks, Alice Marshall, I clicked your link.
Donna Brazile is a co-signer with Zell Miller? Schumer’s on there with Kemp? Worth a click, FDL.
preview is my FRIEND!
was sayin’ that I just don’t listen to a single word any more – keeps that “dizzy factor” I get down to a minimum…
As a New Yorker, I will not send Schumer a damn dime, nor vote for him when his term is up unless he unequivocably supports Lamont and asks Lie-berman to withdraw.
Interesting take on Bush’s body language (and manners) from yesterday. I didn’t see this, but someone who did was very disgusted that when Bush and the First Lady went into the pancake house, FL walked around to her chair, waited as Bush came in, and instead of getting her chair for her he just plopped down. Apparently FL with the fixed smile gets her chair herself. Older person, fuming that the First Lady of the US has all these people around including her husband and no one gets her chair. Funny how just plain bad manners can make people form a dead set opinion.
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angie@149 below thread – Kemp said he admired Lieberman’s views on civil rights, defense, programs for public housing and economic development in depressed urban areas.
Hmm, so he’s in favor of squandering our national defense capabilities and resources in Iraq, FEMA trailers with 9 billion in waste and fraud and a sell out Committee report that never makes the WH turn over docs, and renting a field several states removed to store the FEMA trailers that were never delivered, especially since it’s all “those kind of people” involved. AttaboyJack.
What Republican isn’t a Lieberman kind of Republican?
“Yanni for Senate”
LMAO, thanks SharonW for the link.
ccmask: No, thank you. You guys give me hope and keep me sane. All of us here at FDL do this stuff for you all.
John Casper @ 75
Paging Mr. Darkblack…
TeddySanFran – thanks for the comment. Three cheers for lefty blogosphere and distributed research.
oh for pity’s sake!
(emphasis mine)
http://www.courant.com/news/po…..tics-state
Kurt’s List:
So Biden and Kerry gonna plan an RGJoe two-fer? Gonna run for your safe Delaware and Massachusetts Senate seats while ya run for Prez too, Joe and JForbes?
I think Senate Dems up in 2008 are gonna see their incumbency as worth protecting above all else. But, I wonder if Jay Rockefeller would stand down for Christy Hardin Smith.
mmmmmm Pryor.
And does New Jersey just ALWAYS get to elect Senators? Seems like one of their seats is ALWAYS up. Just saying’
I am dying. I love it. j-lie…mmmwwaaahhaahhha
Hang in there ccmask, I’ll have a good thought for you.
OT but inneresting:
In an attempt to get the Republican awkward-as-a-write-in canditate Shelley Sekula-Gibbs on the ballot so Repubs have in front of them what they’re supposed to write in, people may be confused and not realize that the box-check is just for the rest of this term, but they need to write in for the next full term. Thus, paradoxically, this little gambit may wind up depressing write-in support for the Repub – if people thought all they needed to do was check the box. Heh.
Oooh Ho HO Pach! A DANDY POST!
snip…
Honestly?! What’s WRONG with those people!?! IMO, they’re not just walking a fine line. They’ve fallen SPLAT! over the line into a pile of, well…, let’s just say it stinks all the way over here in OH! Talkin’ image and loyalty and all that good stuff?? SaywhuhHUH???
Good Gollymunchers! WHAT will it take for them to wake up?!
Glad you said it t-w-i-c-e, n-i-c-e and s-l-o-w, t-w-i-c-e-as-n-i-c-e, for the good folks, Pach.
snip…
Here, over here. That’s a good little partyleader. Want some nice “Bonkers” treats? Now SIT. STAY! That’s a good fella.
HON? COULD YOU BE A DOLL AND PLEASE GRAB THAT LEASH?
EGAD! & EEEWW! I just can’t DO that! Do we HAVE to be so nice? These wheelerdealers are SELLING OUR COUNTRY!
I’ll be surprised if they’re not bombarded by 20 trillion copies of yer post thru Spotlight, Pach, not that I would do such a petty little thing, …. not that there’s anything wrong with that…
*Dang! Where’d I put that fan???*
angie @ 79
“Very much a sunrise.” Can you smell the desperation? Dangerstein (hah!) is reduced to arguing about the time of day.
Shooting in Orange County HS, Hillborough, NC. MSNBC breaking.
Meantime, W in NO.
At the risk of sounding like Schumer, couldn’t we look at Republican seats up for reelection in 2008 and make sure we have progressive Democratic candidates in those places?
New thread, it’s been back-timed, so it’s not at the top of the page…
I’m fine everyone! Thanks. Ernesto’s whistling has begun and my bedroom’s sliding glass door is leaking like cells’ out of Lieberman’s head! Wooohoooo. Glad I got them crackers!
ccmask — stay safe, please!
“Ekillletik”
chimpy – “I got an eca-lectic readin’ list!”
And just to bring the recent news on the commercial full circle to Pach’s post:
yup suuure, Fartacus reads Camus and Shakespeare.
right.
idjiit
angie – not “Shakespeare” – THREE Shakespeares!
notice he didn’t answer the question about the backstory on camus…
he had no clue…
bdu at 88 — oops, my error. I was helping Howie get that ready for later, and I hit the wrong time on the post. It won’t actually go up until 5:30 pm ET/2:30 pm PT. My bad.
Tom @
13
Except if the split is 50:50 (49:51?), doesn’t his body count (assuming he stays a “democrat”) determine whether democrats or republicans chair the committees?
Troll hunkering down in the Armitage thread. Verrry nasty.
Hey Pach — speaking of Schumer and Lieberman…did you catch this background piece this morning about the link between Schumer and the crappy Yanni-ad that’s playing for Lieberman?
Ahem. There’s a lot more going on than meets the eye…
And a shout-out to the fine folks at ePluribus Media; their investigative story on the links between Lieberman and the Republican Party has been picked up and linked by the New Haven Independent.
Alice Marshall @ 87
Absolutely – but these are in no way mutually exclusive activities. ;)
Christy Hardin Smith @ 90
maybe move away from the sliding glass door, sweets?
The turd that is Joe Lieberman is losing steam.
Lieberturd must be cooling down because of the sunset.
-GSD
Joe’s ad is a sunrise??? Oh that makes me feel better. What’s the saying, red sun at night sailors delight, red sun in the morning……….
TeddySanFran @ 80
Sorry for the dotty formatting, it looked fine in both Excel and Notepad hehe.
Landrieu I think is probably the weakest of the bunch. While it would normally be difficult if not impossible to field a candidate to the left of her in LA, there is enough anger at her over Katrina and Rita that a Democrat could actually beat her, and still win in the General (I lived in Louisiana for almost a decade…I’m certainly no expert on their politics, but I think I have a glimmer of understanding hehe).
Pryor is a tempting target just because of his DSCC behavior. Biden is tempting just because he is Teefies :)
I’m not that familiar with the others. I’m sure Christy could give us the lowdown on Rockefeller in WV. Anyone familiar with MT politics?
DefJef at 32
You get term limits? Then what-cha gonna do about suddenly putting K-Street TOTALLY in charge?
An’ that revolving door would be smokin’! (as if it’s not already)
Exhibit A: Ohio
I’d settle for fair elections.
The thot of a Feingold, Harkin, Kennedy, Gore, Byrd ….. booted out by term limits. Nuh-uh. Not in my playbook, anyway.
Still catching up after awful connections
op99 from belowthread – I’m with you on this:
There were two sources to Novak. If Gonzales asked about the leak (you know Novak already told Rove it was Armitage and the President knew and so did Gonzales) then there is a record of him knowing and as counsel, the President knowing.
SO the President would have to fish or cut back, very quickly, on his public and fresh statements about firing the leaker. If he fires Armitage and it THEN comes out Rove was involved too— what then? uh, yeah. ;-)
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Speaking of Gonzales, he’s OLC Fatwa in hand, he’s bringing legalized torture to Iraq!
Ahhhhh – Extra-Ordinary law, when ordinary law just isn’t extra enough. BTW – has the word “suspected” just freaking VANISHED from the NeoBrother Dictionary? It’s fun to watch how Gonzales sorts this all out.
What’s to elaborate? If they call the President, he’ll fatwa for them and that makes it legal. Or if they can’t get the President, Ayatollah Gonzales, or his OLC Counsel will make it legal.
Obviously – there were non-US reporters there for that question to even be asked. But he had the answer – it’s not what they do that’s different, it’s that when Gonzales and the President (and Aschroft, Thompson, Goldsmith, Haynes, Addington, Philbin, Comey, McNulty, etc. etc.) authorize it, it becomes “nottorturecuzwesaidso” which makes it legal.
ROFL – he left out, and we have had these great memos that says we don’t have to follow the conventions or heck, even our domestic laws like the War Crimes act and the UCMJ.
About the damn saddest lie I have ever had to face listening to about this country. The saddest circumstance, though, is all the lawyers who know it is a lie and who helped make it a lie and go along, without conscience.
I guess they are content with the fact that we use OTHER countries’ torturers some too, so maybe it’s just what ALL the kewl kids do – after all, those really goodfine torturers in Egypt and Syria and … where would al-Qaeda be without them?
I betcha a brazillion dollars he did not even finish one act of one Shakespeare– his eyes couldn’t move that fast from the footnotes back to the text…his leaking sieve of residual gray matter couldn’t either. 5 minutes of that and perhaps that explains his increased squinting, hinky, frowning, sweating and perturbed air during his recent speechifying.
Horribly humiliated by the Bard himself.
Yo’ Blair what wassup with that dude anyway???
OldCoastie @ 96
I thought the worst part of the video (besides the fact that there’s a talking monkey running the most powerful nation in the world) was his answer to the question about sacrifices made by Americans. It’s all about money with this guy. No mention of the thousands killed or maimed (physically and mentally) because of his vendetta against Saddam ‘he-tried-to-kill-my-daddy’ Hussein.
I was waiting for him to say “i’m the decider and the reader. right now i’m decideratin ’bout books i’m gonna be readin’ heh heh heh.”
OldCoastie @ 96
Et tu Flatus?
ccmask – prayers and come back as soon as you can – we need someone to lead the Wave – as Dem elected officials Stand Up, Dem bloggers will Stand down, ;)
Just shows you what kind of imbecile we have in the white house. You’d think he would have already read The Stranger and most of Shakespeare if he got into the Ivy League schools on any merit except his name.
stay dry, ccmask!
I read a whole passle o them Shakespeares when I was in collige.
BTW, Schumer is another dem who makes me dispair of ever getting Congress back in saner hands. Playing too many stupid games when leadership, bareknuckle leadership, is needed.
timewarp at 101 — thanks for the heads up — said inaccurate troll has been set straight. Ahem.
JPL @ 106
They were busted. A diary at dKos says someone pointed out to them that the sun is touching the horizon at the beginning of the clip and half way down at the end, and they admitted that it is stock footage of a California sunset.
Uncle Bug at 107 — something tells me we should start keeping a running list of Gerstein’s public lies having to be retracted by the Turncoat Joe campaign…
the saying is “red sky at night, sailor’s delight – red sky in the morning, sailors take warning”
question is: who is the sailor? Joe or the rest of us?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 116
I got yer back Christy.
Somewhere, beyond the C, somewhere waiting for meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee….
sing it out loud’n’proud, J-Lie. Can’t even be honest about your sunrise, sunset…or geography. California ain’t exactly the Nutmeg State.
Here’s why we need more non-Schumers:
Massa Rips Rumsfeld
al-scooter 105 – in addition to the Investors Business Daily, here’s the WSJ piece that lhp mentioned – and then there’s the Lance piece, the Isikoff/Corn book.
WSJ Stirs the Pot
I reviewed “Ewww” and the lierman’s ad. It is DEFINITELY a sunset. The sun is going down as you watch it and is nearly set as it ends. They can’t tell the truth about anything.
HopeSpringsATurtle @ 11
Love it – am emailing it out to friends and family
What can I say, Schumer is a huge disappointment. We can all see how vindictive Lieberman is. But Pach is absolutely right – does anyone in the Democratic party think – if he wins – that Lieberman will caucus with the party he perceives as “turning its back on him” (it’s called losing a primary) and walk away from the party (Repub) that is providing him with aid and support when he was down and out (i.e. using him for their own politic benefit).
Wake up and smell the coffee. What Schumer et al are doing right now is not Real Politik. What they’re doing is either living in a fantasy world – or giving into blackmail and bad behavior. Either way – sometimes it seems to me they are trying to lose what could be a very easy Senate win for the Dems – and a possible gain of at least one or two Dem seats.
whaaat? one sentence on HoJo on MSNBC?
I would hope we would leave Jay Rockefeller in the Senate, but we definitly should oust his wife from president of WETA, the station that produces the NewsHour and Washington Week. Imagine how different this country would be if Robert Parry was anchor of the NewsHour rather than Lehrer.
Christy at 116. You sure did!
Speaking of red sunsets (as an image of a bloody endings), the other thought that comes is a “red tide” which is a poisonous algae that contaminates shelfish, and likes to feed from man-made pollution in coastal regions. Also causes neural damage in marine mammals such as seals, dolphins, and whales. Apt metaphor, I think.
oh wait, maybe we have to have cult news before political news…
Christy Hardin Smith @ 118
Make that Uncle Bug at 117. I updated to include the link. ;-)
Alice Marshall @ 126
ain’t it the truth?
http://www.consortiumnews.com/
I once thought that this site was going to be a powerful force in getting dems elected in November- now I’m not so sure. More anti-dem sentiments here than at most gooper sites. Interesting.
Just received notification that Schumer and the DSCC is gonna give support to Webb:
http://www.timesdispatch.com/s…..amp;oasPN=!news!politics
Mary @ 122
ERIC MASSA, that’s my boy! And FDL’s Blue America guy as well.
HopeSpringsATurtle 130, thank you for your kind words.
form Fiddler on the Roof
rwcole @ 131
I think it keeps the conversation on its toes so to speak. If we don’t question the Dems behavior who will? If we don’t hold their feet to the fire no one will.
Hopesprings I saw your blog on Germany, it was so touching, thank you. The Lieberman ad was written for those who are old and out touch.
Is the concern troll doggy door open?
But rwcole, what’s the point of electing Dems In Name Only? We might as well stick with Leiberman, if that’s our goal.
rwcole @ 131
If we help elect Dems who are indistinguishable from Republicans when it comes to advancing the interests of corporate donors, why even bother?
Adie @ 108
The revolvng door MUST be shut tight. We need to regulate once again. No longer can you regulate and industry inside congress and then work as a lobbyist or be a board member or management of the same industry EVER.
It is clear that K street and the incumbants use a congressional seat as a big tit to feast on.
How about regulating the lobbying industry? Lobbyists are prohibited from writing legislation!
Whatever the system is now… earmarks whatever… it is clearly broken bigtime and fair elections alone will not reform this seriously busted system.
Even the rules of the congress may need to be redone… since the power in party is really able to abuse that power LAWFULLY. Lawful abuse? Where’s that at?
The dems are pretty much repub light who are marginally interested in the rights of minorities. We need a more progressive party which represents the needs of PEOPLE not corporations.
JPL @ 137
“Sundowning” its called in medical circles. When the senile begin the steady decline into death.
Thanks for the blog-prop. Just posted another one. I’m finally getting over the virus Christy gave me.
Awright, who f*cked up the margins again?
rwcole is a longtime member of this community. If I recall my previous conversations with him correctly, he does not agree that we should focus on taking over the Party as a first strategic priority, but believes such work should be done after the election. I disagree with him but respect his views and am glad to have him around. He’s no troll. He wants to fight Republicans, not agitate among Democrats.
rwcole– some dems have been paralyzed for too long. they need some shaking up.
no more business as usual in this country– the pendulum may swing as it always has, but we need to have a bottom up/ top down change if we are going to have anything at all to be proud of as a nation.
who is this cute democratic redhead on msnbc? she knows to just keep talking!
Flavia Colgan.
Just to be clear, Teddy and I were talking about the PRIMARIES in 2008. There was no talk about not supporting the Dem candidate in the Generals, whoever that might be. However, getting a more progressive person in would seem to be a no-brainer no?
HopeSpringsATurtle @ 130
Or someone besides Gwen “In response to my question about how Mary Cheney’s being a lesbian impacted the Vice President’s role in the administration’s We Hate Teh Gay Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America, that awful John Edwards mentioned the fact that Mary Cheney is a Lesbian” Ifill directing the smarmy insiderchat on WashingtonWeek?
I see JoMo got endorsed by Al D’Amato. Principle and integritude all over the place…..
Hope at 136
I’m with you on that.
My dream is to see blogs that act in a fashion similar to peer-reviewed scientific research.
Makes them very very powerful, operating at a whole different level than current MSM, and if this happens, it’ll force MSM to change for the better, I hope I hope.
Of course, a big factor is quality of hosts & moderators. No problem here. But the lesser ones stick out like sore thumbs, don’t they?! ;->
Pach:
One of the best FDL posts ever. Your analysis and conviction really resonate with all of us. It’s pretty obvious that we can’t trust Schumer or Emanuel. We just need to keep shining that light in the dark corners. Keep watching what they do. Keep asking the questions and keep insisting that we want our country back.
(Flashback from the ’60s): The Whole World Is Watching
The Whole World Is Watching
The Whole World Is Watching…………..
parachutec and rwcole:
I think I properly said ‘concern troll’ because I think that the fight even if it is within the democratic circle is what keeps us alive and not complacent. I could be wrong, but I think the context of j-lie and schummer illustrate what we are trying to change rather than just ‘fallin in party line’ to avoid conflict. my comment is not meant to offend only awaken. if it is anger or defense that is aroused so be it. I am no wallflower. I can take it.
DefJef 141
Amen!
The vote of the democrats with the AMUF was shameful… and those who supported the bankruptcy bill.
As an opposition party they are particularly ineffective.
Hopefully they can win and turn vindictive toward the nasty republicans and hound them to jail… give them a taste of their own medicine.
Republicans are mean nasty bigoted thieves with a few milguetoast liars like Shays.
The amount of assaults by CheneyBush and their congress on this country is pages long… and who has been held accountable? Lindie England? Charles Grainer?
What the F*ck?
These people break the law… wiretap without warrants and no one has been held accountable?
What good is the constitution if it is ignored? It’s not worth the paper it’s written on!
Vivian – All threads.
Dr. Bong – Do you really want to question it? The reason I want to search old threads is b/c there are a bunch of news articles about Faux News’ numbers being way down, and that is something I predicted and wrote about awhile ago in my “let them talk and destroy themselves” line of posts. So, you question the omniscience at your own peril.
DefJef
U wanna borrow my fan?? paper bag???
Pace yerself, kimo sabe. The world needs you. ;->
The general election kicks off in less than a week.
The primaries are about over.
Time to get involved in beating goopers if we are concerned about allowing Clusterfuck two more years of total control of the government.
Evil Parallel Universe @ 155
Here ya go.
http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/ratings/
To post something on topic for a change –
When I worked in congress and Schumer was “just” a lowly congress critter his office was right around the corner from the two congressman I worked for. I can’t say I had a lot of interaction with them, even though I’m from NYC, but in the little interaction I had the staff were assholes and thought just a weeeeeeee bit too much of themselves and their boss. He had way too inflated an opinion of himself back then, and that is not the kind of thing that gets better with age.
rwcole – it’s been nice to read your stuff the last few days.
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So now it’s pretty conclusive that the Lieberman campaign doesn’t know a sunrise from a sunset, but proving their true Republican leanings, they’ll just go ahead and lie first to claim what they think sounds best (definitely a sunrise) and the off the cuff lies are what people should be voting for?
Intersting.
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I don’t think that Schumer & Co really have any idea how close things are to a major split off of disenfranchised voters going third partying. They think we are “so scared” of the Republicans that we’ll just vote “against them” instead of FOR people who are worth having.
The only thing that is keeping them from having a major split off from the Dem party this election is how much people dislike Bush and his policies and the belly crawl through the vat of cash Republicans have taken. But no one is “fooled” about the corporatizing of Dems just as well as Republicans.
Any half way less idiotic self-centered sophmoric immoral wastrel as a Republican candidate for Pres in 2008, and current Dems who have watched this crew of Dems help the Republicans destroy this country will either get the candidate they want in the primaries or become “indies” in a heartbeat and start voting for someone they give a damn about – Green, Libertarian, whatever. Schumer et al have done almost nothing worthwile for this country in 8 years and what little they have done has typically been at the behest of competition between their corporate backers or based on incredible turmoil from party ranks almost FORCING them to half rise if not stand.
If they don’t start to show something and show it soon – the handwriting is on the wall for them. “Safe” dem incumbents will crumble when their base peels off, not to Republicans but to any third party option that looks better and I really believe that is right around the corner. If Bush, Cheney and co weren’t so repellant in their effect on this country, it would have already happened. IMO.
Adie…. HAHAHAHA…
I am cool as a cuke…. but I have so many things which have pissed me off for the last 8 years I don’t know where to begin..
How about reinstating the fairness doctrine and bustng up the media monopolies?
The repukes are in trouble.. but they need to be in JAIL not in trouble.
They MUST not be allowed to leave office and lobby and act like they did nothing.
RW at 157
I concur, but if we re-elect dems that vote like rethugs or are too scared of losing their cushy positions (j-lie, schummer), what good are they? Business as usual is what they will think and they will be right. i don’t think its an ‘either or’ proposition. I think we can question the sitting dems as well as throw out the rethug bums. I want both. And its not having my cake and eating it too.
What DC could use is a sizeable and very
over the top “TEMPLE TO GODS OF MONEY”
which of course would be in some
architectural blend of Greek,Roman and
Chinese styled “gilded age” edificial splendour.
Here the DC pols could worship what they
clearly do and mix it up with their careers,
personal ambitions and crass/craven GFYS the
American general public more often then not
gets out of DC.
DC “system” priorities may well rule some
or all of CHUCKIES CHOICES IN POLITICS but
now and then the DEM PARTY should be on the
first line of his days agenda,take firm and
fast action and COME DOWN HARD on DEM PARTY
wafflers,fence sitters and scoffs.
L-Man is a DC creature who needs to be
shut down.
CHUCK SCHUMER is a DC player who really
should show some DEM FEVER about now.
The MONEY GODS demand sacrifice in DC every
day. MONEY is the grease that keeps the DC
“system machine” smoothly running. However
MONEY can not buy character,integrity and
personal honor. These qualities are above it.
Either you have them. Or you dont.
So Rahm,Charles and a few other “DC DEM
BIG TIME PLAYERS” need to be tending to
DEM PARTY voters and supporters these days
and less to DC desires and cravings.
They may need to be reminded now and then
that they indeed dont “buy” their spots in
DC. Those “spots” come at the pleasure of
the American voters. For them…DEM VOTERS.
L-Man has forgotten that and is being very
ungracious these days. Chuck and Rahm should
understand that. And respond in kind.
PLEASE.THANK YOU.
ccmask #89,
In the midst of all this turmoil you still have your great sense of humor. Stay safe!
Pachacutec @
144
Well said, Pach — and true. Rwcole is a good and helpful fellow.
AND, great post! Excellent! Everytime I read more about Lieberman, the angrier I get. These posts always inspire me to turn another Connecticut voter against Joe. Off to tackle one particular old timey Dem who is a Prof at UCONN!
“Well, I guess I should say that they should have thought of that during the primary, but here we are.”
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Just reflecting on Lieberman’s statement discussed in the previous thread. All I can say is WOW – and this is a must use quote by the Lamont campaign.
So, Traitor Joe is saying to those Democrats in CT who indicated they want a change after 18 years and someone who would do a better job – screw you, I’m so vindictive and selfish that I am doing what I can to screw up efforts to get other Dems elected in CT.
What an insult to me and every other Dem voter – not just in CT but in all 50 states. If Joe is “re-elected” he will be in the catbird seat – demanding whatever he wants from either party in exchange for his support. Do Senate Dem incumbents really want to hand over all the power to Lieberman? And if they can’t stand up to Lieberman – they sure can’t stand up to Bush.
OldCoastie @ 128
More and more, the “news” reminds me of the news in the movie Fahrenheit 451.
angie @
114
We have a multifaceted problem. It is not JUST the individual weak willed spineless dems… or the rigged and stolen elections… or the roll over media lapdogs who like to be close to power.. or the lies that they get away with… or the revolving door, or the influence of K Street, or the faith based justice department… or the over bloated military which has been on a feeding frenzy for yrs… or the insiders who are skeered to speak truth to power because they will “lose their jobs”… or sneaky maneuvers like recess appointments of Bolton… and the list goes on and on and on. We have not a broken party, but a broken system and a broken country… but a very small segment are making a killing and loving it.
For chrissake.. you can’t even take toothpaste on a plane!
rwcole @ 176
“highlighting the competitive races and talking up the dem challengers.”
rw, where have you been? FDL is bringing the Democratic challengers to FDL. They are chatting with us. We have another one scheduled for this afternoon. I don’t know how much more Jane and Christy can do then let Democratic candidates use FDL to raise money and awareness. I think that’s a lot better than “highlighting” or “talking up.”
FDL isn’t some newsroom. It’s Jane, Christy, Pach, TRex, and whomever they can scrape up to post or cross post.
rw, why do you think Jane invested in the enhanced commenting software? Name the top five races you want more coverage on. You can link to helpful articles about them. You’re in San Diego, do you want to write a post about Bilray/Busby? You’d have to submit it to Jane, but I bet she’d post it, if it’s good.
We’re FDL, you, me, everybody who lurks and comments, along with the posters.
If you think Jane and Christy should be doing other things between now and November, please, don’t hide your light under a bushel basket. But, if you are going to make suggestions, please, be specific, as you are well aware, November 7 is just around the corner.
Mary,
as John Casper is my witness, about a week ago I said that Lieberman literally did not know the difference between shit and shinola (literally, I say!). Now we have proof that he does not know the difference between dawn and dusk, east and west, up and down, rise and set, and (luckily for us) winning and losing.
JPL @ 137
I am glad you put the “and” in that sentence. Being old(er) does not necessarily mean being out of touch. Even the very young can be out of touch. Someone can be old(er) and still be “with it.” It’s an attitude, not a biological condition.
*ilson46201 @
56
Must be the Ed Grimley pants he’s wearing
Who is just begging for a primary challenge.
DefJef 161
I can’t find a thing to argue with.
Years ago working for our schools’ very survival, I reached the point where I had only 2 gears:
smoldering silence & SHOUT
I took myself out of that fray, and now that we’re officially “retired” (tho apparently I’m 1 whole month younger than the esteemed *ilson – nyah nyah), I do what I want, in the style I want, and I’m still able to remain active in the fray without continuing along the burnout path.
I enjoy what you say, as well as reading between your lines: the commitment and dedication, the fire, the savvy. Go get ‘em tiger! *g*
John
Don’t know whether or not the dems will win in November.
I was hoping that by this stage of the election, FDL would be highlighting the competitive races and talking up the dem challengers. I don’t see that yet- maybe it will happen later–but it’s getting later.
JPL @
106
Sigh…I couldn’t help myself:
Red sky at morning, sailors take warning.
Red sky at night, sailors delight.
DefJef @ 169
I bet a campaign ad ridiculing the new carryon restrictions would be very effective – it’s a major pain in the ass, and can be mocked as symptomatic of the scaredy-cat bunch of Republican wimps in charge.
rw
Have you seen the Howie Klein series?
The Democrats will take back Congress in the upcoming elections.
ccmask @ 12
Homegrown ERRORist.
lotus
stay safe, and check in sometime.
T
Yes I have seen it- and it’s very good stuff.
Have to let y’all know about an e-mail I just received from the Political Director of NARAL-America (Elizabeth Shipp) in response to my e-mail regarding my issues with their continued support of Joe Lieberman:
The part I’ve bolded is the sentence that just flew all over me. So, I dialed the number and left Ms. Shipp a message: Who says its a choice between Lieberman and “Bush & his anti-choice congressional allies”? Lieberman’s comments vis-a-vis the “right” of a hospital to refuse to dispense Plan B, and his obvious preference for all things Bushian, contrasted with the fact that there is an honest-to-goodness pro-choice, pro-women candidate (Lamont) who has a real chance of winning the seat, makes the NARAL view a Hobson’s choice.
I gave her my number and asked (although my tone probably telegraphed “dared”) her to call me back.
new thread Blue America
Adie @ 182
I second that emotion!
I guess Gerstein was trying to say that the sun never sets on the Priggish Empire.
rwcole @ 176
Different Dem candidates across the country are regularly highlighted on FDL. In addition to that, FDL has provided a forum, on average once a week, for different Dem candidates.
If you missed these discussions, you could probably the threads in the archives.
The entire GWOT is completely nonsense. I would bet that almost ALL these terorist “acts” are the result of infiltration and “false flag” activities of the right who use them to stir up support for wa and the whittling away of your rights.
The right wing covert agents have admitted that they took down Mossedeq, blew up the train station in Bologna and blamed it on the left… The USS Liberty was attacked by Israel in 67 as a means to create an excuse for the US to enter the war and send troops to the ME… a false flag operation.
The 7.7 transit bombings in London were most probably done by agents of the MI5 or MI6 who as double agents and infiltrate and agitate within the Islamic community.
These thugs in power need to keep the people skeered.
Why do we have to take off our shoes to board a plane?
Why does the city of London have 20,000 surveillance cameras?
Why is my trunk searched if I park at the MET? or the Museum of Nat History? Why do we allow outselves to be searched WITHOUT PROBABLY CAUSE and NO WARRANT? D A I L Y… e very single day we are spied upon!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 180
Barring outright election theft, coup d’etat, etc, the House is a given. The Senate I think is still in play (but admittedly a longshot).
We progressives, unlike the goopers, can multitask! We can plan ahead for 2008 elections! There’s no pressing need to attack Republicans right this second, because people are still on summer vacation, and not paying attention yet…and the goopers are doing such a swimming job of throwing themselves under the bus.
I’d worry if FDL weren’t attacking weak Republicans this time next month. Right now, not so much.
Imman – everyone wants to use John C as their witness. *g*
rwcole is a gift of good solid advice and insight. I don’t agree on some of it for the long haul – I do agree on a lot of it for the short haul – and rwc changes my mind sometimes too.
I’m on the Dem train for this election, but after this one, if it’s clear that the primaries are producing Schumers and Liebermans and Salazars etc. and the party is heading for the sunset and not sunrise, I’m jumping tracks.
Mary–
2008 is a whole new ballgame. My current concern is soley to limit the damage that Bush can do during his last two years in office. After that- it’s a clean slate for me.
Phew…who is Graham Fuller?
Sorry, OT, but this guy is pulling no punches on C-SPAN right now about our foreign policy.
Ah, the crawl says this is a conference on “U.S. Role in the World”, hosted by National Interest Magazine — and Fuller is the former Vice Chair, CIA National Intelligence Council.
I listen to this guy and I think to myself: There is no f*cking way in the country that I was born in that I should understand so readily what this guy means when he refers to this country as a hegemon.
We are and we have been a hegemon, and instead of seeing this word imbued with opportunity, the world now sees the hegemon as rogue and a threat to world security.
What a damned shame.
My father was a navy commander so the sunrise, sunset thing is pretty clear to me. I don’t think that it matters whether Joe’s ad was the rising sun or the setting sun. The first time I watched it was this morning after reading the NY Times coverage of the anniversary of Katrina. Joe’s ad is delusional, it’s the first time that I was glad he’s not our vice-president.
New thread, gang. :)
Great post, Pach. I hope this gets wider circulation to other blogs.
Uncle Bug @ 117
rwcole @ 176
And if Joe had acted like a grownup instead of a Republican, that’s probably what would have happened.
But he didn’t, and we cannot ignore the damage he’s doing to the Dems in CT.
Lots of coverage on other races that I’ve seen at Big Orange, and MyDD, and any number of other blogs.
Lots of ground to cover.
Stock footage? Voice over? Canned Muzak? They went to the manufacturer’s outlet for political ads.
Scrimping? Cheap? Trying to look authentic and underdog-ish?
Trying to look authentic and underdog-ish.
Alice Marshall @ 5….
By chance I clicked on your link! WOW. I had never heard of the FDD.
Thank you.
Are the hawks of Israel going to take over the United States? Eye-opening link from Kos. Highly recommend.
Just WOW.
immanentize @ 171
Probably means that he and Rummy would have made a great team for finding those WMD…*g*
Chuck is getting played by joe the senate Democrats need to put Chuck out, out of the DNC leadership, out of the senate finance committe, Heck Henery Reed should go to we need a leader not someone who gets pushed around by Lieberman
while Pach fulminates, Walmart fumigates:
(via Raw Story)
Yes, pretty damning, all right. But it also points out the disconnect here and elsewhere: we fight for Democratic candidates, but the Democratic party isn’t going to change a thing regarding:
1. Iraq/Iran/Afghanistan/etc. etc.
2. global warming
3. taxing the rich
4. national health care
5. corporate control of damn near everything
Etc. etc. etc.
Bah.
Okay, enough. No reason to keep beating a dead donkey. I shall return when we’re all marching in the streets. We could learn a lot from Obrador, you know.
I’m gonna just say this once: I can’t believe, in 200 comments before mine, nobody’s discussed Net Neutrality. (Other than Pach in the initial post, that is.)
Net Neutrality isn’t just another issue; it’s one of the meta-issues of our time. It may really determine whether free speech is a reality, rather than a convenient myth; it may really determine whether the current wave of small-d democracy is the wave of the future, or a brief blip in American political history.
And for all his many faults, Chuck Schumer has committed to going to the mats for Net Neutrality. That’s big. Far bigger than his not-so-ringing endorsement of Lamont and refusal to publicly distance himself from Loserman.
The netroots, of all places, should understand this. So this talk that “Schumer is auditioning to become the new bete noir of the grassroots and netroots” is silly stuff. If we’ve got any perspective, we’ve got to see that he’s strongly with us on one of the four or five major issues of our time, and has crossed us on something that’s only middlin’. I’m not gonna crucify him over that, and neither should any of you.
Put pressure on him, yeah. We should let him know, in no uncertain terms, just how we feel about Lieberman, and just how we feel that the Democratic Party as a whole, including him, is failing to kick Lieberman’s sorry ass out into left field for hurting our chances of taking the House in ten weeks.
But if I’m given a choice, I’d rather see the Dems fail to retake the House, but have Stevens’ telecom bill fail to pass the Senate, than to see the Dems retake the House, yet have the Stevens bill pass, and have Bush sign over the Net to Verizon and the cable companies. Once it’s signed, we may never get the chance to undo it.
Why isn’t Rahm Emmanuel taking a trip over to the DSCC to kick some ass on this stuff?
I mean, if Doofus Joe is out helping GOP candidates for congress, then he is making Rahm’s job a lot harder, and he’s doing way more damage than the alleged “damage” being done by Chairman Dean.
Odd that he can scream about Dean, but Schumer, Pryor and the collusionists get a pass from Rahm. Come on, Rahm, kick some ass?
Or maybe i’ts more important to keep pals in DC than actually win?
RT — DEMOCRATIC. MAJORITY. IN. THE. SENATE. VOTING. DEMOCRATIC. VALUES.
Sabe? If we get REAL Democratic Senators who are NOT on the take from telsatcos like Lieberman is (go on, do your damned homework, check his donations!!!), none of us would have to talk about Net Neutrality ever. Trying to derail this thread to talk about the issue you feel is most important misses the BIG picture: Schumer is aiding and abetting a Senator who is NO friend of Net Neutrality. Chuck can’t have it both ways; he needs to walk the walk ALL THE F*CKING WAY.
Juan del Llano — we could learn a thing or two from the Mexicans, yes, that much I agree. But your point about the Democratic Party not effecting change on your laundry list? Won’t f*cking matter if we don’t win a majority in Congress. And it won’t f*cking matter if you don’t hold incumbents’ feet to the fire like Lieberman and Schumer.
Ask Chuck how safe those Ports are; what happened with that proposed sale to Dubai anyhow?
gredgewar — you got that right. Rahm’s got his priorities all jacked up. He’s a target for “improvement” as much as Schumer is.
Is anybody here asking BumbleChuck to say who was going to win? Seems to me that that’s the voters’ job anyway. I thought the idea was for him to support his party’s candidate in such a way as to convince the greatest number of voters to choose that person. In this case, namely, Ned Lamont.
Sweet Zombie Jesus, when did this become such a difficult concept?
timewarp @ 127
ccmask used the red tide simile earlier and most folks missed it. Thanks for bringing it back up…*g*
that bush interview. WATB mwahahahaha
RT at 206
This bears repeating because it is so true….
“There are those who will argue, I’m sure, that is it inappropriate to call out Chuck Schumer so close to November, when there is so much on the line in the midterm elections. To that I can only respond by repeating my view, shared it seems by very many progressives in the netroots and grassroots: I am a progressive first and a Democrat second. The Democratic Party is not, in my view, the property of the elected officials who serve it, but rather of the people who elect those officials. A Democratic Senate majority that relies on Lieberman’s loyalty to the caucus to sustain majority status is neither a stable, reliable majority nor is it an instrument that can reliably uphold and represent progressive values. So I will say this bluntly: I would rather not gain back the Senate than rely on Joe Lieberman to sustain Democratic control of the Senate.”
Thank you for saying this. It gave me chills.
RT: How do you think Schumer came around on net neutrality? Do you think he did it on his own, or did he respond to pressure – our collective pressure – repeated, over and over and over?
The future belongs to those willing to fight for it.
Schumer is no different than HoJo. Same mold.
He needs a “tune up”.
Hillary should take notice.
She at least forked over a good advisor to Ned.
A sign of awareness, even if it’s kind of modest, and begrudging in tone.
OT:
Have to post it somewhere. AAR has FIRED Mike Malloy. I am so shocked. I would like to start an email barrage like we do to congress. Mike Malloy was the one person on AAR that spoke his mind. Anyone down to stand up for Malloy?
HopeSpringsATurtle @ 214
What???????
That is so wrong on so many levels. Mike Malloy is the one person on AAR I go out of my way to listen to. Who do we contact?
Pach — This is probably the very best thing you’ve written yet: well-reasoned, passionate, damned near perfect. And I do not doubt that it will get to the very people it needs to. The country thanks you (well, you know, the sane people now and future generations, if there are any).
john in sacramento @ 215
Air America is so tone deaf and clueless you’d be wasting your time. The management team would fuck up a 2 car funeral parade. Get sirius and listen to the young turks, http://www.youngturks.com.
Why not give the DSCC a quick phone call and ask Schumer to unequivocally support the nominee in the CT Senate race?
I just did.
Once again, the DSCC contact number is:
(202) 224-2447
Dear Chuck,
I appreciate your tepid letterhead endorsement of Ned Lamont. Like when Bush told the “CIA guy” who gave him the Osama bin Laden Determined to Strike Inside the US.
“You’ve covered your ass.”
But not from us. This is a bold new world out here, Chucky Baby, and this shit just ain’t gonna cut it.
recommended reading – emptywheel on Teri Gross’ interviews on Iran. I missed Ledeen but caught a portion of the “sane” guy interview. He seemed so … what’s the word …. reasonable.
john in sacramento @ 215
I concur.
Contact info for AAR is 212-871-8290
email: comments@airamericaradio.com
Let them know what WE think. Thanks fdl.
Rayne @
208
Umm, that ain’t gonna happen by itself. If they turn off our spigot and places like this stop happening, the Senate Democrats will go back to listening to the Broders and Shrums of the world. Not hoopy.
Net Neutrality is the essential tool to obtain a Democratic Senate voting Democratic values. Without that, I think we get such a Senate shortly after the Arctic icecap finishes melting.
Pachacutec @
212
Hell yeah, I agree. Didn’t I say, keep on pressuring him? Damned straight. But now that he’s come around, why are you so negative on him? I mean, Schumer’s no better or worse than most Dems. He doesn’t go around blaming his own party for all that’s wrong in the world, like Lieberman does. He doesn’t kiss up to Bush like Lieberman does. He *does* kiss up to the moneymen, like unfortunately an awful lot of Dems do, including my own House member, Steny Hoyer.
Yeah, we want to put pressure on them, and thereby change them. We agree. It’s your evaluation of Schumer that I’m questioning. How many Senators or other major party figures have come out and said Lieberman should drop out of the race? Kerry, Edwards, who else? It’s a damned thin list.
Schumer’s not the next Lieberman, unless we have a party full of them. If Schumer’s the next to go, I can list 30 Dem Senators who ought to go right with him, and at that point, you’re making all the wingnuttery about purges sound plausible.
But Lieberman really was and is bad in ways that are very distinct from any *elected* Dem right now. (OTOH, certain unelected Dems, such as Wittman, Klein, the whole DLC crew, most of the TNR bunch, etc. are in the same boat: kiss the GOP, kick their ‘own’ party, and be clueless on how bad Iraq really is.) Comparing Schumer with Lieberman just because Schumer’s not ready to push Lieberman off the pier is a terrible comparison.
And yeah, Schumer fighting for net neutrality is a hell of a lot more important than Schumer pushing Lieberman off the pier. Winning on Lieberman is like being given a fish; winning on net neutrality is like having a fishing rod and knowing how to use it.
RT: these are not mutually exclusive fights. We’re fighting on all these fronts and more. They are, in fact, skirmishes on the same border. Beating back the DC machine that wants to kill the roots happens in more than one way at the same time.