
Michael Isikoff has an intriguing glimpse into a book that he and David Corn have written (due out shortly) about the leak of Valerie Plame Wilson’s name to Bob Novak (and Bob Woodward…what is it about Bobs?). From Newsweek this morning:
…Armitage’s central role as the primary source on Plame is detailed for the first time in "Hubris," which recounts the leak case and the inside battles at the CIA and White House in the run-up to the war. The disclosures about Armitage, gleaned from interviews with colleagues, friends and lawyers directly involved in the case, underscore one of the ironies of the Plame investigation: that the initial leak, seized on by administration critics as evidence of how far the White House was willing to go to smear an opponent, came from a man who had no apparent intention of harming anyone.
Indeed, Armitage was a member of the administration’s small moderate wing. Along with his boss and good friend, Powell, he had deep misgivings about President George W. Bush’s march to war. A barrel-chested Vietnam vet who had volunteered for combat, Armitage at times expressed disdain for Dick Cheney and other administration war hawks who had never served in the military. Armitage routinely returned from White House meetings shaking his head at the armchair warriors. "One day," says Powell’s former chief of staff Larry Wilkerson, "we were walking into his office and Rich turned to me and said, ‘Larry, these guys never heard a bullet go by their ears in anger … None of them ever served. They’re a bunch of jerks’."
But officials at the White House also told reporters about Wilson’s wife in an effort to discredit Wilson for his public attacks on Bush’s handling of Iraq intelligence. Karl Rove confirmed to Novak that Wilson’s wife worked at the CIA, and days later offered the same information to Time reporter Matt Cooper. The inquiry into the case led to the indictment of Cheney’s chief of staff, I. Lewis (Scooter) Libby, on charges of perjury and obstruction of justice. Armitage himself was aggressively investigated by special counsel Patrick Fitzgerald, but was never charged. Fitzgerald found no evidence that Armitage knew of Plame’s covert CIA status when he talked to Novak and Woodward. The decision to go to the FBI that panicky October afternoon also may have helped Armitage. Powell, Armitage and Taft were aware of the perils of a cover-up—all three had lived through the Iran-contra scandal at the Defense Department in the late 1980s….
Interesting stuff. Armitage may have told Novak and Woodward that Valerie was involved in some way in her husband’s selection as the CIA’s man-on-the-ground in Niger, but it appears, according to Isikoff at least, that he did not have knowledge at that point that she was a covert operative, which is an essential piece of the charging puzzle for Patrick Fitzgerald’s prosecution.
Recall Fitz at the presser on October 28, 2005:
…That’s the way this investigation was conducted. It was known that a CIA officer’s identity was blown, it was known that there was a leak. We needed to figure out how that happened, who did it, why, whether a crime was committed, whether we could prove it, whether we should prove it.
And given that national security was at stake, it was especially important that we find out accurate facts….
But as important as it is for the grand jury to follow the rules and follow the safeguards to make sure information doesn’t get out, it’s equally important that the witnesses who come before a grand jury, especially the witnesses who come before a grand jury who may be under investigation, tell the complete truth.
It’s especially important in the national security area. The laws involving disclosure of classified information in some places are very clear, in some places they’re not so clear.
And grand jurors and prosecutors making decisions about who should be charged, whether anyone should be charged, what should be charged, need to make fine distinctions about what people knew, why they knew it, what they exactly said, why they said it, what they were trying to do, what appreciation they had for the information and whether it was classified at the time.
FITZGERALD: Those fine distinctions are important in determining what to do. That’s why it’s essential when a witness comes forward and gives their account of how they came across classified information and what they did with it that it be accurate….
In this case, it’s a lot more serious than baseball. And the damage wasn’t to one person. It wasn’t just Valerie Wilson. It was done to all of us.
And as you sit back, you want to learn: Why was this information going out? Why were people taking this information about Valerie Wilson and giving it to reporters? Why did Mr. Libby say what he did? Why did he tell Judith Miller three times? Why did he tell the press secretary on Monday? Why did he tell Mr. Cooper? And was this something where he intended to cause whatever damage was caused?
FITZGERALD: Or did they intend to do something else and where are the shades of gray?
And what we have when someone charges obstruction of justice, the umpire gets sand thrown in his eyes. He’s trying to figure what happened and somebody blocked their view.
As you sit here now, if you’re asking me what his motives were, I can’t tell you; we haven’t charged it.
So what you were saying is the harm in an obstruction investigation is it prevents us from making the fine judgments we want to make.
I also want to take away from the notion that somehow we should take an obstruction charge less seriously than a leak charge.
This is a very serious matter and compromising national security information is a very serious matter. But the need to get to the bottom of what happened and whether national security was compromised by inadvertence, by recklessness, by maliciousness is extremely important. We need to know the truth. And anyone who would go into a grand jury and lie, obstruct and impede the investigation has committed a serious crime.
That is a whole lot of gray, isn’t it? But it does not explain the central question that we’ve all been trying to answer from day one on this: how did Bob Novak learn that Valerie Plame Wilson was a covert operative? Swopa has been all over this question, and looks at the following:
Even so, and despite the damning quotes from Armitage’s co-workers at the State Dept., I still sense some nagging loose ends. Here’s how I put it three months ago:
. . . if the real story of the Plame outing was as simple as Armitage telling Novak everything, and Novakula then getting a terse confirmation from Rove and going to press, it makes very little sense for Fitzgerald’s investigation to unfold as it has. So it’s probably safe to assume that things didn’t happen that way.So what possible wrinkles are there? I’d start with the odd claim that Armitage didn’t realize his apparently crucial role until reading Novak’s October 1, 2003 column.
I’ve harped repeatedly on the fact that Novak has avoided saying clearly whether his conversation with his so-called primary source was actually the first time he’d learned about Joe Wilson’s wife working for the CIA. Why did the now-indicted Lewis "Scooter" Libby tell so many lies to the FBI and the grand jury about what he knew regarding Plame’s identity if he played no role in that information being passed along to Bob Novak? And why did Libby tell Ari Fleischer the exact information that Novak would attribute to his primary source just one day before Novakula met with Armitage? It seems to me that this mystery hasn’t been fully resolved yet. (emphasis mine)
I’m with Swopa on this one. What possible motivation could Scooter Libby have had to lie unless he was (a) having an attack of personal guilty conscience and trying to save his own ass or (b) more likely, trying to save someone else’s ass, namely Dick Cheney’s.
And I think Jeralyn hits the nail on the head with this observation:
Fitzgerald has long thought Armitage did nothing criminal. Yet, he indicted Libby anyway and almost indicted Rove. Novak’s original column wasn’t just gossip about Joe Wilson. It outed Valerie Plame as a CIA operative. But Newsweek reports Armitage didn’t know Plame’s employment was classified.
It’s curious to me that Fitz is giving Armitage and Rove a pass, but not Libby. Why? I think it has to do with the July 12 flight to Norfolk. Fitz has not yet closed his investigation. I suspect Cheney is still in his cross-hairs. And Ari Fleischer is a key witness against Libby. Somehow, I suspect Ari Fleishcher has given more to Fitzgerald than we know. (emphasis mine)
Now, isn’t that an intriguing thought? We’ve known for quite some time that Patrick Fitzgerald subpoenaed the phone records from both AFI and AFII, as well as other phone records – and that Ari Fleischer has testified and/or debriefed to some extent. But that leaves a big question mark…still…as to who was the source for Novak of the information that Valerie Plame Wilson was covert. And why Stephen Hadley thought he was going to be indicted last fall.
Strange that Dick Cheney knew that information about Valerie Plame Wilson’s status back in June of 2005, isn’t it? I mean, it’s not like he had any motive to protect his own ass or anything…oh, wait…
Emptywheel has much more on this. And I’m going to do a bit of thinking and re-reading today, and see what other bits and pieces I can dig out. Something’s missing…and I have to wonder if those "found" e-mails from Dick Cheney’s office have shed any light in a murky corner or two.
One wonders if Dr. Yes has some awfully good answers for those annotated marching orders on the Wilson op-ed. And whether the WHIG has the ability to stick together as the Bush Administration power numbers unravel heading toward the November elections.
And whether all those rumors about Armitage cooperation from back in May were true after all…and wouldn’t that make for an interesting Fall.
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Fitz?
Christy and Fitz!!!!!!!!
Zero, yay – thought I would get aced out fer sure. Now to read the post.
please delete
Novak had lousy eye contact during his softball questioning by Timmeh and then proclaimed that he thinks it is past time for his source to reveal himself…
Falta algo . . . (Yes, I’m watching Dora the Explorer this morning.)
Cheney’s the one. In my view. And Bush is the ultimate suspect. And Rove is not clean.
today Novak said he thought it was way past time for his source to identify himself. Odd.
was this to get poor, innocent, blabbermouth Armitage to confess and thus deflect the Plame outting public kerfuffle?
Is that what they say? I thought they said he did not know she was covert. I think if you got her name/info via a classified doc, you might know the info was “classified” but perhaps not know she was covert. Of course, we now that the President was authorizing release of classified info, after cherry picks, for his pressimage and also for Woodward’s book.
I’m still wondering why Gov has no plans to call Rove as a witness at Libby’s trial, even though some of the indictment describes discussions between him and Libby. ? Unreliable, saving him for something else, cut a deal on something else, figure Libby will call him anyway ?????
Christy,
That post was like a long cool drink of water in the desert.
Thanks.
PS I am saving all the coconut creme chocolates for you after you finish the diet *g*
imm at 10 — bwahahaha…thanks. :)
*Why* Armitage??? I remember when his name first came up, and I thought it was just a ridiculous smokescreen thrown up by the right to cloud Rove & Cheney’s guilt. As far as I know, Armitage isn’t a dirty trickster like the other Bushies, so what exactly was he doing?
I’m puzzled by what Novak said this morning also. He knows/thinks that the individual is in no legal jeopardy?
What Mary said at 9 — more inprecise reporting there.
And, just because the government has not listed Rover does not mean they will not call him at all. The charges against Libby can pretty much be proven by Libby’s own Grand jury testimony and emails. My guess is that Fitz (FITZ!!!) is waiting to see whether Libby intends to call Rove. Wouldn’t that x-exam be fun? If not, and if Libby’s defense goes in the direction you suggest, Rove could be called as a rebuttal witness (which makes a huge amount of sense in this prosecution). There is no duty to identify rebuttal witnesses before they are actually planned to be used.
Eli @ 12
You might want to check the late-nite thread for some interesting commentary by ET on Armitage. I’d search the quotes for you, but I have to run to a breakfast meeting.
Armitage might be on the side of the angels this time, but his chances for sainthood appear remote. Or so sayeth our ET.
Eli at 12 — I keep going back to the Boris and Natasha cue lines that keep being floated out — that Plame was a “glorified desk jockey” at CIA. And whether Dick Cheney or Scooter Libby or someone in that crowd fed that line to Dick Armitage…and he conveniently passed it along to Novak and/or Woodward, giving the WHIG their opening to plant all the shit about the Wilsons and conveniently blame it on Armitage. There is some nugget there that we just don’t have as yet…but being able to scapegoat Armitage would have taken out a very powerful critic within the Administration for the Cheney wing — Powell and Armitage discredited in one fell swoop, with the Wilsons as a side benefit. Something is there…I just can’t put my finger on exactly what.
I’m very leery because Woodward is the “journalist” in the equation, and he hasn’t published anything about this and he came forward reluctantly and late. He was essentially a stenographer for administration spin in Plan of Attack, his book about the run-up to the Iraq war. How do we know he doesn’t continue to be an administration tool in throwing Armitage (now off the payroll) under the bus? Also, Isikoff, the bearer of the tale, has sometimes been the unwitting dupe of Bushco spin. I really can’t get my head around a concrete speculation of exactly what’s happening here, but it’s awfully fishy as told.
Thanks, al-, I’ll poke around.
Thanks, Christy. It’s still weird, though – Armitage doesn’t seem like a guy who lets himself get played for a sucker or a patsy very often, and I can’t believe he would take anything those slimeballs said at face value before passing it along.
While my posts are going through – I think it is interesting to see the caution that Fitzgerald had about using the Espionage Act (probably especially in light of his knowledge that the President was giving secret authorizations to leak to all sorts of people, but still…) as opposed to the glee with which Gonzales is anticipating using it as a toehold for journalist prosectuions, via the AIPAC precedent they are setting.
It’s damn hard to fault even one call that he has made in the Libby case, even though I never thought it should have been in-housed and I still think that was the wrong decision. It is so ez to end up where you don’t want to be, overall, in the game when you decide to just “go after” people, even the ones who are not choir boys.
Did Condi stiff Tim today? The Sec. of State was advertised to appear on MTP. What happened?
WOO HOO! Fitz Fix Fabulotronic!
Thanks Redd!!
Mary @ 9
When you call a witness for your side of the case, your case is bound by the witness;s answer. In the current circumstance, it is unlikely a court would rule that Rove is a hostile witness.
So, if Fitz called rove as a witness, and Rove’s testimony was damageing to the prosecution case (if Rove is smart, he will do that subtley, by making things seem murky or trying to offer innocent explainations that call raise questions about the prosecution’s case), the gov’t will be bound by Rove’s answers.
If Scooter calls Rove to the stand. The prosecution can slice his skin off him one square inch at a time, on cross examination
Eli,
But I think it is prtty clear that he was the guy who went to Fitz and spilled all the beans. My guess is that Armitage is as likely to have mentioned this to Woodward out of that freaky chumminess that Bob promotes. Then there is no reason to think (is there?) that Woodard was Novak’s first source.
We are SOOO overddue for a Fitz fix.
Imman @14 – it will be interesting. I know they can add him, but Gov has specifically said to the judge more than once that they won’t be calling him (in connection with Team Libby’s attempts to get access to Rove’s GJ testimony). Team Libby has said they should still get the access bc they may very well call him. The judge left things hanging just a bit on that aspect when it came up, bc he was signaling that his understanding was that things would be resolving with Rove. Then, right after the last scheduled open status conf, the Rove letter ?? maybe goes out – and Team Libby hasn’t mentioned Rove again in public filings, IIRC.
The first post I ever read here at FDL said this trial will never be allowed to happen. That still stands.
The pardon comes in November so we will never know. Maybe Fitz or someone will write a memoir somdeay and answer some more questions but it’s about over.
Hello, LHP
That may be the practical effect certainly, which is why I agree with th estrategy of saving Rove for the defense or rebuttal, but the Evidence rules certainly allow a prosecutor to impeach their own witness if the go off the reservation — even if they are not “hostile.”
That happened to me once in a case — the prosecutor was not allowed to lead but did a very effective job of impeaching her own witness with prior inconsistent statements. It sucked, she had a great theory why the witness was hedging and the jury decided against my client’s interests. *g*
As for whether Rove could be declared “hostile” — now that is something I will give some more thought to (just as a mind exercise….)
Novak says in the Sun-Times today that Harry Reid is expected to “beat back” increasing pressure from the Democratic caucus to strip Joe Lieberman of senior committee positions if he defeats Lamont. The feeling here is that this will not make for happy progressives.
June of 2003.
rapier at 26 — gee, why not roll over and play dead now? Sorry to disappoint your memory, but I do not recall one post here that has ever said the trial will never happen, other than the few naysayers that occasionally appear in the comments section to throw out that speculation with nothing to back it up but a “well, Bush’s father did it with Iran Contra.” I’ve answered the question a bazillion times, but I’ll say it again here: that was then, and this is a whole other set of political circumstances. And if the Dems take back one or both houses of Congress in November, all bets are decidedly off.
rapier @ 26
November 8th, probably…
Oklahoma kiddo @ 28
If he defeats Lamont??? Reid should be doing it NOW.
G’night Firecanines, the futon is calling.
See ya’ll on the flip, and hoping said flip
brings some good news to our tired, overheating planet …
*plouf*
Night Medaka! :)
immanentize @ 23
It still doesn’t really explain the why.
On the other hand, I found ET’s comments about Armitage, and it sounds like he’s more of a bastard than I realized. But this still seems out of character, especially since I don’t think he has that I’ll-kill-babies-with-my-teeth kind of loyalty to the Bushies (*maybe* to Powell, but this was not Powell’s idea).
Holy flood of pent-up Plameology, Batman!
That’s one hell of a post, Ms. Smith.
First: What, then, was the intention? How seriously can one entertain the notion that Armitage was trying to help–especially given Armitage’s plentiful history of illegal dirty tricks?
Second: Is the answer to the previous question really as important as the fact that Armitage did leak the name of a CIA asset? How plausible is it that Armitage really didn’t know the classification of Plame’s identity?
Swopa @ 35
Swopa-Robin!!! Very nice….
Missed your post lhp – I have lots of lag on my connection and didn’t see your post. I understand that Rove is a weasel *g* but the tactics seem to be to make it very unattractive for Libby to call him either, all of which makes you wonder about what was going on in five GJ appearances — if none of that will be coming out via defense or prosecution. Maybe Libby’s crew will call him (they’ve floated it). Just interesting I think – given so many appearances.
There’s this contingent out there that is mostly ignorant and often some combination of envious/resentful/hostile, for reasons only their should-be analysts can divine, when it comes to FDL and Plamegate coverage.
They often attribute to this site “reporting” or statements that have never been propelled by site hosts, which is not to say occasionally linked or promulgated by some commenters.
They never have links and they never have facts. They just have bile. I’ve encountered one or two at MyDD in the comment threads, for example, and there’s this segment at Dkos which likes to get publicity or recommends by trying to take shots at this site.
Competition for getting things right is what our side of the blogosphere does best, but there’s also this thing called. . . what’s it called?. . . ah, yes, bullshit, that fertilizes funky mushrooms favored in the diet of trolls everywhere. The online version of Lieberthugs have of late been stewing said mushrooms the better to write hallucinogenic rants.
As I described last night: concern trolls.
Thank you, Swopa — and thanks for the heads up on the Isikoff piece. So many questions…so few answers as yet, eh?
Isn’t possible that ARMitage was set up?
FRAMED?
No way to get a Judge to declare him part weasel, eh?
ronaldo @ 41
Wait, are you suggesting that the Bushies might have ratfucked someone?
Unthinkable.
I have always thought Armitage and Powell where apparatchiki who could have protected Plame and the country and did nothing. Armitage and Powell had an obligation to protect Plame and the country and they failed. They were part of the group that lied us into war and now they want to pass the buck in the most revolting way.
Just because their actions are not criminally actionable, at least not in regard to this case (as opposed to some future War Crime proceeding) doesn’t alter they fact that there were part of this criminal kleptocracy and now they want to avoid taking any responsibility for it.
Woodward and Miller need waterboarding if you ask me. They are not genuine reporters – they are sinister covert operatives.
I’m honor bound to defend freedom and Novack’s been very cooperative so he can walk.
Alice Marshall @ 44
It seems I know Armitage a bit less well than I thought, but Powell definitely seems to be the consummate go-along-to-get-alonger who later bemoans the immorality or misguidedness of that which he himself had passively enabled. You know, to show what a great Man Of Integrity And Moral Uprightitude he is.
Mary @ 42
I think that comes under the evidentiary rules regarding Judicial Notice. :~)
Eli @ 43
Inconceivable!
I don’t see how the Democrats taking back either house would stymie Bush pardoning Libby. Our best hope is John Conyers holding hearings when the Democrats take back the house.
naschkatze @ 49
so good, it had to be repeated
Well, I don’t think anyone really is “reporting” (as opposed to speculating) that Armitage did not intend harm (to Wilson’s credibility), just that he did not know Plame was covert. It sure looks, from what has come out about the WH mindset at the time, everyone, including Powell and Co., was being recruited into the “circle the wagons and make the President look good” pioneers club. You have to figure a lot of people knew how Judy Miller was getting her info, and that Libby would not be acting without ok from the VP, which was pretty synonymous with ok from the President, even if we didn’t have the info we have now that the Pres himself was authorizing the NIE cherrypick leaks.
It’s also pretty clear that everyone had standing orders to make the President look good to Woodward. So I think that Armitage could very well have had all kinds of “intent” to make sure that Woodward was told that – - *^%@&$ Joe Wilson should not be believed bc he was a partisan and his trip was a boondoggle arranged by his wife — but he could still have had no clue she was covert and that whoever gave him the rib nudge on Plame or the inside scoop on her and the trip — conveniently left that part out. fwiw
Imman @47 – ROFL
Public Record?
It’s also pretty clear that everyone had standing orders to make the President look good to Woodward. So I think that Armitage could very well have had all kinds of “intent” to make sure that Woodward was told that – - *^%@&$ Joe Wilson should not be believed bc he was a partisan and his trip was a boondoggle arranged by his wife — but he could still have had no clue she was covert and that whoever gave him the rib nudge on Plame or the inside scoop on her and the trip — conveniently left that part out. fwiw
I guess that sounds plausible, but I still have a hard time believing that if he knew she was CIA, that he wouldn’t double-check her covert/classified status before blabbing about her.
Mary @ 52
That AND historical fact.
Eli @ 46
I think you still give Powell too much credit. He was more than a passive enabler of the My Lai and Iran-Contra coverups–he was right in there shoveling dirt over the evidence with the best of ‘em.
Oopsy-daisy. Sorry about turning #55 into one big internal link. Still, it’s reflexive, so it’s cool, right?
It’s so wearisome hearing, through their own subtle and self-serving leaks, that Powell, Armitage, and Rice don’t necessarily approve of the Bush actions in the Middle East. Bunk. The former Sec. of State could have resigned. You too Condi and Richard could quit this lying regime. Toadies. All.
This is just a thought, and I don’t have the encyclopaedic knowledge of the Plame case that some here do, but…On the issue of whether Armitage was Novak’s original source, there was a post here last night, an excerpt from Isikoff’s book, where Armitage is on the phone to Colin Powell, and he reads a description of Novak’s original source, and tells Powell he thinks it was him, Armitage. His own (reported) perception of the situation seems to suggest that he was in fact the original source.
But what if Novak wanted him to think that? Novak could have asked the questions in such a way as to not let on to Armitage that he had another source. Make it sound like he was fishing, when he was actually looking for confirmation. That could have led Armitage to believe he was Novak’s original source, when in fact he was not. Thus leaving the door open for Cheney, or whomever, to be the actual original source.
The Nefarious Leslie @ 48
Wait, are you suggesting that the Bushies might have ratfucked someone?
Unthinkable.
Inconceivable!
I do not think that means what you think it means.
EvilDrPuma @ 55
I don’t have a real high opinion of Powell, to be sure. I haven’t forgotten him lying to the UN to make the case for invading Iraq. His idea of a “good soldier” clearly does not include the injunction against obeying illegal orders. But he can lament about how terrible they were afterwards, and that’s *almost* as good, right?
If Democrats retake the house it is very unlikely that Bush would want to do anything as inflammatory as issuing pardons.
In any case, a Presidential pardon would have no standing in a War Crimes proceeding. Fitz’s investigation is not the end of this.
For the second highest ranking person at the State Dept. this doesn’t quite make sense. If he’s recently learned about Plame from the June memo, which was classified, how could he be so careless?
For the sake of arguement, let’s say it’s true. He’s human and can screw up. But how could he not know until Novak’s October article that he was the one who supplied the info? This was a bigger issue inside the gov’t than with the public until late Sept. (when the DOJ started investigating) and you’d assume anyone who knew the name of Valerie Wilson and spoke it out loud during the summer of ‘03 would do a serious gut check after the July Novak article.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 57
precisely so
Alternate theory: Libby lied because that is what members of the Bush inner circle do to outsiders: they lie, consistently and reflexively. It is a matter of dark-side trust to them that they never tell the truth to outsiders. Libby was just doing what he always does, expecting that if worse came to worst Ashcroft/Gonzales (and eventually Roberts) would watch his back.
In which case, Libby is the last indictment we will see from Fitzgerald. And after the 2006 elections Libby will be preemtively pardoned.
Cranky
EvilDrPuma @ 55
I had a startling thought while wearing my tinfoil today that Colin might be in a witness protection program somewhere with a fleet of old volvos to repair and then I went a-googling. Nope– despite surgery to repair a torn achilles tendon, he was busy doing this:
(snip)
(emphasis mine)
http://www.cjnews.com/viewarticle.asp?id=9932
fwiw, I really soured on Colin Powell when as Chief of Staff, he fought Clinton on admitting gays in the military. Powell, the GOP and conservative Dems like Sam Nunn (and probably Joe Lieberman) all opposed gays in the military. Feh!
but I would love to suggest an author do an expose / biography on Woodward and his involvement in the Wilson affair
I would love to get an investigative take on where bob went down the wrong path, if his deception was deliberate
I would love to get an investigative take on whether or not exposing Valery wasn’t so mcuh about her husband, but really had to do with eliminating the intelligence that would prevent them from completing the PNAC game plan to go from Iraq to Iran
obviously, if Val’s husband would expose the hoax perpetrated on the military that brought us into Iraq, they would surely have concern about Val exposing the credibility of their case in Iran
I think this is the kind of of book we need BEFORE the president goes forward with the pnac’s plan for war in Iran
problem would be, the book would have to get published before we went to war in Iran, after we initiated the aggression a book would serve no good.
greenwald has an excellent post up pointing out that the president actually thinks congress is not involved in going to war in Iran, and that congress can’t rescind his authority to war in Iraq.
we need this information to be publicized before the damage is done, after the damage is done isn’t much help
OT, but Eli @32, here’s what Bob Geiger says about why Reid isn’t threatening Lieberman:
http://bobgeiger.blogspot.com/
And, while many of the calls for harsh action from Reid may be righteous, bloggers castigating him for not stripping Lieberman of his committee assignments — especially his standing as ranking Democrat on the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee — and urging their readers to call Reid’s office to harangue him about this, are simply wrong and not reporting accurately on what is or is not within Reid’s authority.
Based on the way the Senate works procedurally, this is simply not something that Reid even has the authority to do.
Let me break down why that is.
The membership in Senate committees is decided at the start of every Congress with a haggled-out thing called an “organizing resolution.” The entire Senate votes on it and it usually passes by unanimous consent. Organizing resolutions can also happen when party shake-ups occur in the middle of a Congress, like when Vermont’s Jim Jeffords bolted from the GOP in 2001.
To give Joe his well-deserved comeuppance by taking him off committees and effectively making him the most junior member of the Senate, Reid would have to formally propose an amendment to the current organizing resolution, manage to get it to a vote and then get every Democrat and a handful of Republicans to vote for a new committee organization sans Lieberman. If Majority Leader Bill Frist decided to filibuster Reid’s action, 60 votes would be required to keep it alive.
Based on that procedural construct, Harry Reid can’t just unilaterally, or even by a closed vote of the Democratic caucus, strip Lieberman of his committee assignments.
If you read Isikoff’s article, it looks like everyone (including Isikoff) is carefully parsing their statements. Two examples:
“Armitage acknowledged that he had passed along to Novak information contained in a classified State Department memo: that Wilson’s wife worked on weapons-of-mass-destruction issues at the CIA.”
Isikoff is saying that Armitage passed along information from a classified State Department memo, but he does NOT say that the memo is where Armitage got the information in the first place.
“Armitage, a well-known gossip who loves to dish and receive juicy tidbits about Washington characters, apparently hadn’t thought through the possible implications of telling Novak about Plame’s identity. “
The key word in this sentence is “apparently”. Isikoff is reporting what he’s been told, but he’s not letting himself get spun. If you read the sentence with emphasis on the word “apparently”, you’re force to conclude that either (a) Armitage is a moron, or (b) Armitage knew exactly what he was doing and is now trying to cover his ass.
Thanks, pol! I did not know that.
Reid could, however, pledge to do so should Lieberman win.
Armitage told Charlie Rose he was the only character in the Plame saga that had not hired a lawyer.
pol @ 68
well then, lina, sure sounds like he bellied up to Fitzgerald’s bar stat!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 57
Amen. Powell in particular maintains this aura of being above the shenanigans of the rest of the Bush administration. He gave that now totally discredited February 5, 2003 speech at the U.N. with his illustrations of bioweapons labs on trucks, his vials of ricin, and his aerial surveillance photographs of … nothing. The fact that he never resigned in protest at any point after that, completely blows whatever is left of his fake halo to smithereens. He’s in it up to his elbows and is as blameworthy as any of the bastards.
Frank @69
That’s exactly what I was getting at. It makes no sense that he was chatting and slipped up. Someone new to gov’t service, maybe. A longtime, high ranking person making a rookie mistake? Nah.
This is very complicated and I may be confused…But I’ve always thought it was Cheney and loyal assistant Libby being the fall guy. Today on Meet The Press Novak said the leaker is someone who should have come forward by now.
It’s Cheney. And Libby didn’t do nuthin’.
Blog pimping alert. fromm greenwald, unreal.
http://glenngreenwald.blogspot…..-bush.html
*ilson46201 @ 66
Powell, as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, later also opposed any intervention in Slobodan Milosevich’s wonderful and progressive plan for “One Yugoslavia.”
Powell likes to bill himself as a “fiscal conservative and a social liberal.” Social liberal, my hairy white ass.
immanentize @ 27
Yeah, you can impeach him if he deviates from his prior testomony or statements, BUT what if his prior testimony and staatements a full of the kind of spin I am talking about. What if Rove techinically tells the truth (thereby saving his own ass) but does so in a way that will have the opposite of the normal effext on the jury?
Remember that is Rove greatest skill.
Christy: final phrase: “…and wouldn’t that make for an interesting fall.” Love the double entendre.
While we’re talking about Fitz and Armitage, if y’all haven’t read emptywheel’s post, you really must – especially the comment thread. Some v. intriguing stuff there.
yeah well, Powell did declare that genocide was going on in Darfur and then did absolutely nothing about it.
BBC
Finding cash to fund TV commercials is “the only thing that matters in American politics now”, former US Vice-President Al Gore has said.
“The person who has the most money to run the most ads usually wins,” he told the Edinburgh TV Festival.
It was “astonishing” that the average American devoted nearly five hours a day to TV viewing, he added.
Those are the kinds of ridiculous statements that make me go very sour, very fast. Are we REALLY fighting to make sure Saudi Shiites can have pro-Hezbollah and anti-royal family demonstrations? Bull. And even here at home, isn’t some part of the fight, somewhere, anywhere, so that someone, anyone, addresses the SUBSTANCE of the demonstrations?
I won’t comment on the other, but his “My Lie” problem didn’t get addressed in the 12 step program.
angie @ 83
Powell doesn’t seem too bothered by mass murder in general, does he?
nope.
Frank Probst – he also doesn’t say why Armitage would have thought there was no problem in passing along info contained in a classified memo.
I have yet to really trust a Newsweek article – they seem so interested in creating figures of salvation as opposed to reporting.
Mary @ 38
I suspect (but have no basis for this in fact) that Rove went into the GJ and did what Rove does best= Down is up, bad is good, black is really purple. welcome to Kraziworld.
I am willing to bet money that what he said is techinically true (or close enough to true to make a perjury charge feel like a bit of a strech), but couched in such terms that the effect on the jury would be the opposite of what it should be.
Which would explain why Fitz would not want to risk calling him if he doesn’t absolutely need to, but Irving might if Fitz got the facts that Rover copped to into evidence and Irving needs someone to SPIN SPIN SPIN those facts to the jury.
Do not believe for one moment that Rove checked all his skills at the door of the GJ room and came in there and bared his black soul.
He was in the fight of his life, had time to prep for each appearance and can be expected to have turned in the VERY BEST BIT OD SPINNING OF HIS LIFE.
Just a theory, a product of my imagination aided by a squoosh of deductive reasoning
Mary @ 84
I might add the ability to demonstrate (assemble) peacefully in this country is a big fat myth.
Mary @ 85
Hmmm, from where I sit (Toronto) it sounded like a veiled threat. Powell made his remarks in Montreal.
op99 @ 1
Where is he??
angie @ 73
He also said he would publicly reveal his part of the story when Fitzgerald was finished with his case. Whatever that means. Rose let him leave it at that.
OT– the pilot took off on the wrong runway– a short, unlit runway.
omg. only 1 controller in the tower at the time.
Mary @ 88
Mary,
In my experience, the amount of classified, or GJ or otheerwise confidential material that is gossiped about and told to reporters “off the record, not for publication” is staggering.
That is one of the big gaps I see between the MSM and the blogs. Te bloggers seem naive to that. At least allthe bloggers who have never worked in gov’t or in the MSM.
You will notice that you don’t see bloggers with Gov’t backgrounds or MSM backgrounds making that point? It’s because they are aware of, but don’t want to publicize–cause then no one will ever dish to them again- the reality on the ground.
In DC and IN NY, kinda like Hollywood I would imagine, gossip makes the world go ’round
Lhp @89 – That is what he is best at, but he usually isn’t being questioned by someone who can pin him down. I have no idea what Fitzgerald is like with a witness, but based on how everything else about this case has been handled, I don’t see him letting Rove get by with ‘9/11 changed everything’ and I still think 5 trips, esp with the last one so long, seems a lot. But I defer to you crim folk.
fran @ 92
What do you mean, “where is he?” He’s not missing
Permit me to doubt the Armitage story thus far. Rank amateur that I am in trying to follow the twists and turns of this saga, it’s not plausible to me that Armitage (reportedly a gossip lover), when told that Plame was an Agency employee, didn’t use his position to find out exactly what Plame did at the Agency. And, IF he did learn her status as I mostly think he did–and we are to believe the Newsweek reporting–he did not pass this juicy tidbit on to Woodward. This would be quite some restraint on his part when it seems he was passing other classified information to Woodward. Did he truly not know Plame’s status, knew it but did not pass it on to Woodward, passed it on to Woodward who did not use it. Who, what, where, when, why, Mr. Fitzgerald?
Eureka @90 – there is that too. Especially, apparently, political demonstrations during political events.
Speaking of snakes…er Rove…is the Progressive movement ready for whatever disaster he cooks up for us all in October, or will there just be scurrying and reacting again? I think we can be sure it’s coming, what with the political climate and all.
looseheadprop @ 97
You could have fooled me!
OT but I need some NED!
http://www.courant.com/news/op…..commentary
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..00394.html
Continue Fitzing!!!
Glorfindel @ 99
Part of the reason we’ve been promoting the strong accountability messaging, even in advertisements right now, is because we anticipate this kind of thing, and believe the accountability message not on resonates, it inoculates.
fran– he’s no Kenneth Starr and that’s an understatement of epic proportions and makes me smile and believe…
Glorfindel @ 100
I predict a huge red state/district GOTV re illegal immigration. Even though his boss and the Democrats are ostensibly on the same side of the issue, Rove will use it as this year’s gay marriage to get the single issue voter off the couch and into the voting booth.
Christy you named this post Something’s Missing,” which seems appropriate as I have felt like something was anti-climatic ever since I became aware of this information from Hubis. (The last week or so I’ve been pleasantly distracted from politics/justice issues by the arrival of my first grand daughter, so I think it was just last night.)
I’m some glad you and others are on the case, and hopefully eventually people (the right people) will be held accountable. This revelation about Armitage seems to put the whole thing in neutral or limbo and play into the Bu$h Administration’s effort to convince everyone to move along, nothing happening here. Your post restores some hope, for me anyway.
I know I’ve said this before, but it seems even more likely as the drums grow louder re:Iran. I mean, how convenient for Cheney and his gang of vultures, that the best source of information about the TRUE nature of Iran’s nuclear program, namely Valerie Plame and Brewster-Jennings had to be rolled up how many years ago now? Accurate factual information re: Iran and nukes is the last thing the Bu$h cabal wants to have to deal with. Thus I think Valerie herself was likely the real target of their “outing operation” and hubby Joe merely the red herring and distraction from the real purpose.
I was amazed that Novakula could come back to the Pumpkin patch this morning and just act like a regular non-journalist talking head regurgitating the typical fact-free highly spun drivel as if he didn’t have a lot to come clean with the American people about regarding his own transgressions and lack of respect for national security. Considering reports the CIA advised/asked/pleaded with him not to publish certain information, perhaps he should be considered a candidate for treason charges along with Cheney, Rove, Libby, Bu$h, Wolfie and so many more my fingers would fall off before I could type their names.
I promise not to make a habit of citing myself, but my first impression of Novakula was part of an earlier pretty much EPUed comment on the talking head/birds/flowers/recipes thread and may be more timely here.
lhp
That doesn’t surprise me at all. It happens in the law all the time too. I remember a BIG case that we had to turn down when I was in Richmond bc the night before we were approached, there was this basketball game …. You know the rest – everyone in it talked about details of things that should not have been discussed out of school and since we had a couple of lawyers who got dished up all kinds of stuff about the other side of the case.
I’ve had stuff dropped that I never wanted to know about bc I didn’t want to have to worry about whether I might repeat it, but people have a way of wanting to either distress, pick brains, or build themselves up. It happens. But when something that shouldn’t happen with the info does, people know they are in the middle and they are not just some innocent. That’s what I don’t like about the Newsweek pieces I have seen. And people also plant info and I think Armitage, with Nova if not Woodward – well, you have to wonder about his ulterior motive. I know there were some hot discussion re: the case that we had to drop that the lawyers for the adverse party knew that there were only a couple of firms around that had someone with the expertise in the area and the right capabilities to handle the case and they sure thought it was suspicious how fast the our firm got basically ‘taken out’ by the innocent game. ;-) People talk just to talk, and people talk to effect a purpose and I don’t really see anything in the Newsweek piece that justifies their claim of “innocent childbride” status for Armitage. JMO.
Dumb question:
Why can’t or why wasn’t Novakula arrested for revealing the information and/or refusing to spill the beans on the leaker? As in obstruction of justice. Did he pull a Reagan and say he couldn’t remember?
Wasn’t the revelation of the info in Novak’s article illegal in and of itself?
David Corn has a blog at the Huffington Post, The Meaning of The Armitage Leak. He tries to put the Newseek article in perspective. After citing his own early accusations about the Bush Administration’s campaign to discredit Wilson, he then writes:
Like Christy, I just can’t help thinking something is wrong here. I have a hard time believing that Armitage would have deliberately leaked classified information. He’s been around long enough to know better, and he just didn’t have the motivation.
Remember, just because a memo is classified doesn’t mean all the information in it is classified. For instance, if it mentions President George W. Bush, just to use an obvious example, the fact that Bush is our President isn’t classified information. Information that is classified within such a memo is supposed to be marked with its classification, usually (U) for “unclassified”, (S) for “secret”, etc. It’s possible that the identity of Valerie Plame wasn’t properly marked in that e-mail.
It’s also possible that Armitage just forgot, I suppose, but if we can believe Corn’s narrative, that just doesn’t seem likely. Armitage remembered having the conversation, you’d think he’d remember something like a covert CIA agent’s status.
Fran – I’m not a fan of many things about the way the Plame affair and other matters have been handled overall, but even though I’m not a “fitz”-er, I don’t see how anyone says he’s done anything but an excellent job with what he has to work with. ?? Are you hoping for a white horse and maybe a castle on the hill?
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KY crash – some of the runway at Bluegrass Airport is very very short. I don’t know whether it contributed or not, but I remember way back when, watching the big private Saudi and Brit jets come in for the sales and sometimes you held your breath on landings and take offs. The fixed things up some for the main runway, but there were still some very short runways.
angie @ 104
Hi Angie,Actually I really believe he is a man
of uncompromising integrity.I just wish he would slam this arrogant crowd and their
unpatriotic attacks on those who disagree with them.What they did to the Wilsons was
uncalled for and illegal.
http://www.ThankYouValerie.com
angie @ 94
Speaking as a former fixed-wing pilot, my experience in most accident cases, is that blame is affixed to pilot error. There does, in my estimation, need to be much, much more attention paid to hiring more control staff, tech up-grading, and training of ground control and air traffic tower personnel. This, I do not suspect will be forth coming under Republican regimes.
op99 @
17
Isikoff an “unwitting dupe”? how about a witting dupe? i have never trusted that guy. he has an agenda and it isn’t one that passes the smell test.
fran– I believe he will do everything in his power to bring those to justice, all in good time and with an airtight case that we will all be proud of– he may still have sand in his eyes and I never underestimate the ability of these monsters to keep throwing it.
Mary– your assessment is confirmed by this:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14540419/
Now he tells us!
BBC — Hezbollah chief Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah has said he would not have ordered the capture of two Israeli soldiers if he has realised it would lead to war.
“Had we known that the kidnapping of the soldiers would have led to this, we would definitely not have done it,” he said in an interview on Lebanese TV.
He added that neither side was “heading towards a second round” of fighting.
More than 1,000 Lebanese died in the 34-day conflict which left much of southern Lebanon in ruins.
The offensive began after two Israeli soldiers were seized during a cross border raid by Hezbollah militants on 12 July.
Mary @ 96
I’ve seen Pat in court, and he is just as methodical as you would imagine and never forgets or lets a point slip. However, the GJ is a little different. You don’t have a judge making evidetiary rulings and you don’t strike answers as non responsive, so you end up with a lot of extraneous stuff in the record.
Also, Pat is not the sort of agressive(read here rude) alpha male type to talk over someone else, interupt them in the middle of a sentence or do any of the other bad mannered things thatI do to control a witness. (my mother would be so upset if she ever saw me with an opposition witness, I am such a bitch sometimes. –OT, you know when you are sitting on your won shoulder watching yourself? Sometimes I am just horrified at the ill-mannered things i have to do to keep a witness from polutting my nice clean record that can withstand appeal)
The only PJF GJ transcripts I have seen, involved him putting on his own agent, so he wouldn’t be trying to limit that person from inserting poison pills into the record.
I don’t have any basis to believe his GJ demeanor is any different than his trial persona
angie @ 10:24 am (#94)
omg. only 1 controller in the tower at the time.
From a Louisville Courier-Journal article on the crash:
Asked whether the plane took off from the wrong runway, Gobb said he couldn’t say which runway was used.
Unless “full staff” means one guy, I think you can rule that out.
I should add that according to the article, most on board were from Lexington.
fran @ 101
Maybe this has been covered (haven’t read all the comments yet), but I have a question:
How do we account for the fact that Woodward said he called his source and reminded him of their conversation, and the source supposedly had a “eureka” moment, and realized that he had been the one and had then immediately called Fitzgerald?
Re: my 119
The toobs ate my comment>
What I saidd was,
Fitz has been all over the Chicago Tribune both for the Chicago hiring Scandal and for the Cobrad Black thingy
Sally@98- Right you are wrt the gossiping Armatage. I remember when the first casualty of Anthrax (Johnson maybe) died. The guy worked for the Enquirer and had won some literary prizes in his life. He had a daughter at Duke and he was well liked.
Anyhow, the day he died do you know what they said about him? He took in stray cats and grew his own veggies so possibly it was what? Anthrax from his garden or he pet a cat that got into anthrax? This was on the radio all afternoon. Next thing you know, we’re watching agents carry out Johnson’s computer with NO GLOVES OR MASKS! Oy!
I really felt bad for the obit they gave him. I always think about that though.
Wake me up when all these scumbags are in jail.
OT – Mandatory tourist evacuation of the Florida Keys
Liberal Heart @ 120
Good point! This report of Woodward’s does not align with the Newsweek report that Armitage read Novak’s “not a partisan gunslinger” comment, knew it was his own damn self, and then called his boss, Powell, who got Taft IV involved and went to DOJ.
Could it possibly be that Woodie has dissembled to place himself more squarely in the center of the leak???
Liberal Heart – I don’t recall the “eureka moment” from the Woodward call? I thought Woodward called to say something like: I talked to you before the times the other discussions are being reported, so I have come forward – and then that his “source” said something like “do what you have to do” ?? Am I misremembering (aka just flat got it wrong *g*) I’m just more confused about why, if Armitage was cooperating, the Woodward info seemed (may not have been, but seemed) a bit “news” to Fitzgerald. OTOH, he was going after a narrow scope – outing to Novak and matters arising from that – so he may not have been surprised about Woodward. He may have just felt it wasn’t info that advanced his investigation so he left it hanging until the prima donna called and said, “me me me me:”
twolf1 @ 124
No need for worry. Everyone can relax. President George W. Bush is in control.
Anyone remember the post about the woman who met Fitz in the airport? That was a great post. I’ll bet someone has it? Polly?
cujo– appreciate that; it was the bobblehead on msnbc that reported that. but there is this too which is perplexing:
http://www.courier-journal.com…..1/60827014
twolf@123–yeah I just saw that. I dread going out for water and supplies and all that stuff. Imagine if Californians had 4 days to sit and wait for an earthquake? I mean the warning is great but it plays on your nerves. Especially since Jeb! doesn’t have to suck up anymore.
here ccmask:
mamyaga says:
April 27th, 2006 at 12:31 pm *
the Exile (#106):
did you say girl? how old does she have to be to be referred to as a woman? immature, yes. girl? long past that.
Geez..angie. Thanks! Let me put on some makeup and brush my hair before I read it!
ROTFL, ccmask!
he is awfully attractive…
As incensed as I am and have been over the Plame Treason Case (not Plame committing treason, you ignorant trolls), I look with greater fury at the underlying crime:
The Administration KNEW that there was no chance that Iraq was getting or going to get yellow cake from Niger. Simple. It could not happen. But it was a foundation of their terror campaign against the American people.
That deliberate telling of lies is the crime. The smears against Wilson and the treasonous outing of Plame only compounded their crimes.
And while we are at it, perhaps we could consider an apology to the French. It is the French who control the mining of yellow cake in Niger. Niger was a French colony, and the French, if you don’t know, consume a bit of uranium in their nuclear electricity generation. So when Bush is lying to the world about Saddam, and citing yellow cake, what a surprise! The French aren’t buying the lies!
And we have the nerve to be pissed at them for not backing us up?
Likewise the Germans and Curveball.
Bring on the Democratic Congress and the subpoenas!
Mary @ 98
Sorry I had a bit more to add to my “fat myth” comment. *g* We just had a storm, thank goodness we need the rain. I will just say my personal experience with peaceful assembly in protest of the first Iraq invasion was an eye opener. I am sure it was for tens of thousands who were arrested that night in San Francisco as well.
I always thought that a phantom in the administration tried to buy WMD from Brewster Jennings (front operation) and right before the deal went down someone did a background check and found out it was covert. So, by outing the operation any employees out in the field were no longer a problem.
*ilson46201 @ 116
There are war criminals in the Lebanon mess on all sides. Hezbollah, Israeli and most surely American. That would me my take on it.
OT
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14540419/
Mary at 126:
I checked out Woodward’s story and see via this from a Larry King Live transcript that Woodward called Armitage, not vice versa as I had thought — but still I’m wondering how this squares with the Newsweek version of Armitage contacting Fitz (didn’t that make it sound like he figured out his connection to the leak on his own?):
WOODWARD: An excellent question. The week of the indictment I was working on something and learned another piece of this puzzle and I told Len Downie about it and I told him about the source and what had been disclosed to me and there was a sense before the indictment, well, this is kind of interesting but it’s not clear what it means.
Then, the day of the indictment I read the charges against Libby and looked at the press conference by the special counsel and he said the first disclosure of all of this was on June 23rd, 2003 by Scooter Libby, the vice president’s chief of staff to “New York Times” reporter Judy Miller.
I went, whoa, because I knew I had learned about this in mid- June, a week, ten days before, so then I say something is up. There’s a piece that the special counsel does not have in all of this.
I then went into incredibly aggressive reporting mode and called the source the beginning of the next week and said “Do you realize when we talked about this and exactly what was said?”
And the source in this case at this moment, it’s a very interesting moment in all of this, said “I have to go to the prosecutor. I have to go to the prosecutor. I have to tell the truth.”
And so, I realized I was going to be dragged into this that I was the catalyst and then I asked the source “If you go to the prosecutor am I released to testify” and the source told me yes. So it is the reporting process that set all this in motion.
So it is the reporting process that set all this in motion.
Bob Woodward, American Hero.
I then went into incredibly aggressive reporting mode and called the source the beginning of the next week and said “Do you realize when we talked about this and exactly what was said?”
he’s a floater, fer shure.
LibHeart — yes, and at a very different time. Woodie sez his source said, “I have to go to the prosecutor” AFTER the October Fitz presser. Why would Armitage say that if he’d gone to the DOJ with Powell’s blessing and Taft IV’s handholding PRIOR to Fitz ever being on the case, as Isikoff and Corn write?
Woodie, as usual nowadays, has injected himself into a story for the purpose of it being about Woodie.
Eli: heh heh.
I’ve heard some chatter here and there among my Democratic friends to the effect that Republican Chuck Hagel is ok. Well I do think he’s not bad on Iraq. But the proof will be in the Bolton pudding. Will Hagel, or will he not vote for confirmation of Bolton in September, when the Senate Foreign Relations Committee meets to consider the Bolton non-recess nomination. Hagel’s vote may very weighty.
An interesting thing about Libby talking to Miller about Mrs Wilson on June 23 2003 is that Woodward interviewed someone in the WH on June 20 and planned to ask about Mrs Wilson (it’s in his notes), who he’d earlier heard about from Armitage. Not sure if it’s known who he met and if there’s a tape recording (funny if Bob found himself destroying a tape a la Rosemary Woods).
So the WH probably learned through Woodward about Armitage/Mrs Wilson, and included her in their attack on Wilson, and tried to get other reporters to write this up (Miller, and finally Novak), consciously scheming to find a semi-legal way to do this.
Novak–the town crier.
watertiger’s upstairs with snark!
Reply to TeddySanFran at 143:
Scooter was indicted October 28, 2005. Woodward said on Larry King’s show that he read the indictment and watched Fitz’s news conference and realized he’d gotten the leak earlier than Libbey was said to have leaked.
But according to the Newsweek story, Armitage realized he was Novak’s source by October 1, 2003 (when reading a Novak column in the newspaper that day), and called Powell to tell him so. So why, more than two years later, was Armitage realizing all over again he was the leaker? Had he forgotten in the interim?
It sounds like what Armitage actually realized was that Woodward could blow the lid off the coverup if, indeed, he was Novak’s source. It’d be nice if Fitz would email us the date when Armitage actually stepped forward.
Am I just dense (be gentle with me)? Am I missing something here?
the kennedy’s are on American experience (PBS) right now. It’s mind boggling how far we’ve fallen.
This is from Laura Rozen’s blog, War & Piece:
OT to any NY lawyers out there. Training is about to start for anew pro bono federal prisoners rights project. If anyone is interested (and if the Ladies of the Lake don’t mind) I can put the sign up info in a comment
Out-Fitz!
Fitz has two months to do the right thing and let the american voters know that there are criminals in the White House before the midterms. Will he? Nope- so whatever he does afterwards will be too little too late.
Watch out. I smell a smear…
Farender, I had second thoughts about calling her a girl myself at the time, but I was in a hurry to go somewhere and do something. It seems like the word girl is only applicable to such as my brand new grand daughter anymore, amd she is 3 days old now. Better start calling her a young woman by the end of the week. But at least it proves somebody read my post.
Maybe I’ll just go back to being a lurker, I often feel like it is a waste to post here because I probably just rehash stuff already expressed long ago that I missed because I just don’t have time to follow all the threads all the time. But the idea that Joe Wilson was the red herring I really feel is relevant, and I don’t see anybody else ever mentioning this. I fear this evil Cheney et. al. cabal is always two or three steps ahead of us folks with good intentions. They get us focusing on details that in the end are unimportant, like the Dan Rather fiasco, the facts were right yet everything was discredited because of the font. That is unacceptable to me and makes me think it is to late for the keyboard or the ballot.
Maybe the question isn’t whether or when Iraq is having a civil war, when does civil war become the last option in America?
If Cheney is indeed in the cross hairs, can the Libby indictment be considered in some way an elaborate perjury trap for Cheney? In other words, we know Cheney is on record with investigators. Fitz knows what he told them. Does he also know that Cheney’s testimony at the upcoming Libby trial will intersect with his prior statements to investigators? Is the Libby indictment really resting on a firm basis? It seems like the Armitage revelation should have been enough to shut the whole case down early on. Or is the Libby trial as simple as Libby told Ari, Ari told Fitz, Fitz asked Cheney, Cheney denied, Fitz asked Libby, Libby fingers Cheney? If so, it’s all academic as Libby will quite definitely receive a Casper Weinberger Special Jumbo Pardon with all the trimmings.
Thanks, Christy — good analysis and comments — unlike (I suppose it’s piling on, but you know) Althouse. Here she goes again.
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I had a similar thought about Rove and Novack.
Rove: You never heard this from me but…
Novak: Interesting. Your secret’s safe with me.
Two weeks later Rove or Libby (on orders?) tell Armitage about Plame, neglecting to inform him of her status.
One week later…
Novak: You won’t believe who let the cat out of the bag?
Rove” Who?
Novak: Armitage!
Rove: Purrrfect.
Here was a similar thought from July 11.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..19519/0472