Careerist LieberLiar Dan Gerstein is struggling from a serious credibility problem these days. So when somebody needed to make the absurd contention that Lieberman's visit to the Groton sub base with Republicans Rob Simmons and Jodi Rell did not constitute a campaign appearance, how helpful that a surrogate appeared -- someone quite unfamiiar with the contours of the race (or obviously with politics in general) who would bridle with self-righteous indignation that such a stop could conceivably be called "campaigning." Concern-filled calls for retraction and other obscure and weirdly non-tangential anecdotes ensued.
Dan did not, as Dan is wont to do, push his face in front of a microphone and make this ridiculous claim himself. Small wonder. The cover story seems to be that they were at the sub base for a "conference," but that doesn't explain what GOP House candidate Simmons was doing with Lieberman at the Millstone nuclear power plant later that day. This is how one employee of the plant described the appearance:
[T]hey were walking around shaking hands at the plant. It sure felt like a political thing to me. I am just a voter in Connecticut.
It was a cruel bit of irony that Stephen Elliot's piece went up on the HuffPo just as Joe was retracting his former endorsement of the three Democratic House candidates in the race, one of whom Simmons is running against:
Lieberman — who after losing an Aug. 8 Democratic primary to Ned Lamont has launched a third-party bid to hold onto his seat in the Nov. 7 general election — was asked whether he still endorses Diane Farrell, Joe Courtney and Chris Murphy, three Democrats looking to unseat endangered Republican incumbents Chris Shays, Rob Simmons and Nancy Johnson.
“I’m a non-combatant,” Lieberman declared. “I am not going to be involved in other campaigns. I think it’s better if I just focus on my own race.”…
“It’s a little awkward for me now” to endorse the Democratic candidates in the general election, he said, “since they all endorsed my opponent,” Democratic primary winner Ned Lamont.
It's notable that Chris Dodd had the good sense/party loyalty not to get anywhere near this dog and watch Lieberman gladhand with Republicans. And despite Joe's addiction to "having it both ways," the campaign's attempts to do so are getting more and more embarrassing, to the point where they are probably desperate to outsource the more comically daffy claims. How very convenient that there are those so eager to enter the conversation in a way that will call attention to themselves that they are willing to take a swing at me, Kos and MyDD and assume the ensuing humiliation on Gerstein's behalf.
I suggest flowers and a nice card, Dan.
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LIE-Berman considers Iraq Pullout
Someone needs to make a new, improved “Kiss Float” and add a large pair of FLIP-FLOPS.
Jacqrat @ 2
Pulling out is okay as long as it’s a Republican’s idea.
Hi Jane… I want to know why someone has not made one of those offers that RGJoe cannot refuse… you know….. decided to pursue opportunities elsewhere or wanted to spend more time with the family?
WHY, why, why are we not seeing the consequences that Reid said would happen?
What a tool!
Twisted Martini @ 6
What a tool!
“as Dan did wont to do”?
I bet those three Republicans are going to be very unhappy when they learn that Joe is tapping their donors too. With “friends” like Joe, who needs enemies?
Jeezo-peets, twolfie, what does that thang weigh?
And what an interesting photo up top.
liar, liar, nose on fire
phwew, note to self… never cross Jane!
glad we’re on the same team most of the time, girl!
lotus @ 9
The knife is a brute, weighing 2 pounds, 11 ounces and measuring 8.75 inches. But don’t worry, it has a key ring so you can carry it on a belt loop.
The whole “we’re not gonna do anything about lieberman” thing goin’ on makes me wonder if there is more goin’ on behind closed doors than we be privy too.
Does anyone believe that Bill Clinton and Barbara Boxer didn’t foresee Jo Jo’s treacherous contortions? Answer ‘no’, and who do you think you’re kidding? Answer ‘yes’, and what does that tell you about the democratic party-as-currently-constituted?
Oh, that’s right, I forgot. Hillary deigned have lunch with LaMont.
Never mind, every thing’s cool.
So who is this guy? I just googled his blog (his name dot com), and there’s a piece he wrote about how the Dems aren’t going to take back Congress. Here’s a juicy little tidbit:
“I’m tired of blaming Republicans for everything. We have a two-party system. When is the other party going to suit up?”
Oh, the wretched irony of it all, Stephen!
meta @ 15
Nice find, meta.
The pressure on Harry Reid to deal with the Lieberman problem needs to increase. I live in a state with two repug senators, but those in states with one or two Democratic senators might want to consider contacting their offices and asking their senator(s) to speak with Reid about pulling Joe’s committee assignments and announcing that he won’t have any privileges as a Democrat after the election if he should get elected by directly opposing the Democratic nominee. I am sure many readers have already done this; I hope that more will do so.
OT but woohoo!
http://www.rawstory.com/showar.....82606.html
twolf1 @ 13
I agree twolf1, although I have absolutely no evidence. I wonder if Joe’s
“I’m a non-combatant,” non-campaigning with Repubicans at the sub base was a response to learning that Hillary would meet with Ned? Again that’s complete speculation. I also wonder if the final end game for Democrats is not only to get Joe to bow out, but to also endorse Ned and the Democratic candidates? I’m not sure how realistic that is, but I bet the CT Democratic party really wants that.OT, if Joe won’t endorse the three Republican candidates, they might wonder what benefit they derive from him. He’s just siphoning money and media attention away from their races.
Speaking of clowns, check out the main photo at HufPo while you’re at it.
Hows are moderate Republicans and Independents suppose to believe that the Democrats are strong leaders when they let a member of their party make a mockery of the democratic process, and the party without any repercussions?
Hotdamn, angie! Thanks for that link.
I also hope that Reid is not playing a “play it safe” game, trying not to offend Lieberman in the hope that if he gets elected, he will choose to caucus for the Democrats and be a vote for Reid as majority leader. That would be disgusting.
If Lieberman gets elected, and there happens to be a close contest for which party will be the majority, he will go to the highest bidder. With Chimpy in the White House (as dreams of a cabinet post float in Joe’s head) that would be the Republicans.
The Democatic leadership needs to face the fact that Lieberman has become a RIABPL (Republican in all but party label).
angie @ 18
Right on. Thanks for the news, angie. And kudos to Patricia; hope TRex does go down and interview her.
When Joe Lieberman stated that he would consider Representative Shays’ plan for a timetable withdrawl from Iraq, he revealed himself to be a craven jerk only capable of taking his moves from republican wind testers.
At least Joe has stripped all cover from his constant lie that he is a steadfast and principled man unwaved by the swift winds of political expedience.
He is a man without any conviction or center.
Joe is that vague coconut creme candy everyone avoids in the Whitman Sampler.
Hi Jane!!!
That’s funny, he doesn’t look Swiss.
Actually, it is tragically humerous to see Jilted Joe hang himself so totally and methodically with the rope his ego is giving him. Probably a deep seated self-destruct wish arising from the place where he knows he is commiting such trecherous acts.
BarbaraB @ 27
but he should fold like a knife
charming:
punaise @ 29
I was thinking that’s he’s full of holes, melts well under low heat, and is about ready to spread on toast.
He does have that hole-ier than thou thing going, though.
Joe as Scottish Army knife:
Hilt-er’s Kilt-er
immanentize @
25
Exactly!
Man, I can’t wait for his bitter, ungracious concession speech in November. Assuming he goes that far. Has anybody predicted when he’ll drop out of the race? If at all?
punaise @ 30
My comment is Yates:
emphasis mine.
Whitman Sampler
OT, lotus, great catch at 1:58 with the HuffPo link. Dems have the “visual” thing going. First in CT with the “kiss” and now Bush as the new Nero, fiddling as the world burns.
OT, Jane, I totally agree with you about Joe and Dan attacking FDL, DD, and Kos. Wasted ammunition, Joe and Dan, please by all means keep attacking the blogs. All that wasted effort keeps Ned clean.
I declare, whether it’s Alabama or Connecticut or anywhere else, the sheer backwardness of our opponents these days just takes my breath away.
They’ve completely lost the thread.
Oh, so Big Bad & Scawy they were a year ago (just ask ‘em). Now with all these holes worn through it, we see inside their gaudy veneer naught but — *air*.
racism is alive and well in our country ;( punaise.
this is quite a heartrending little piece from the wapo wrt Allen’s macaca evildoing:
emphasis mine.
I would suggest that all Americans of all colors work together toward Mr. John J. Thatamanil’s goal.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....01235.html
“The pressure on Harry Reid to deal with the Lieberman problem needs to increase”.
With nearly a half-dozen democratic senators having announced for Jo Jo, and more having assumed a position that entails a fence post sticking up their collective ass, any such appeal to Reid is an exercise in wishful thinking. I know the democratic party is the hometown team, the only game in town, the last straw to grasp.. but get real.
immanentize @ 25
The one that’s the same color of weird green that they used to paint concrete walls in gradeschools?
You don’t really know about them, though, until someone punches through the exterior to reveal the menace within.
Thank you Jane.
BarbaraB @ 27
Maybe a bit holy -erthanthou?
Lovely poetic resonance to a disgusting prosaic act there, imm (but the owner spelled that sound “Yeats” — go figure, I never could).
Funny you used the term “righteous indignation,” Jane. I just used it in a post to another blog. It’s one of the cards that the right wingers love to play to distract attention… it energizes their base and the media loves a food fight. Remember when Kerry mentioned Cheney’s lesbian daughter in the debates? Kerry’s point was lost and Lynn Cheney’s righteous indignation was the story of the day… and the next.
punaise @ 30
Republican family values.
As everyone knows, Republican Jesus wears dark colored business suits. He is opposed to the estate tax, and enjoys capital punishment and bombing foreigners.
Hey, I like the coconut candy in the Whitman’s sampler. *g* Great piece, Jane. :)
Ishmael, I was just thinking about how to successfully make war on Xmas again this year, and poof you show up.
What on earth was that just blew through here???
pee yew!
Sonoma
I’m sorry, but my view of the Democratic Party goes beyond that. The Democratic Party is the only party that had room within it for a civil rights movement and an antiwar movement in the 1960s and 1970s. It is the only party that has offered any resistence to the wrong policies of George W. Bush. It is the only party of which a majority of members voted to filibuster the Alito nomination. It has never been perfect, but it is worth a struggle to make it the best it can be.
call me, Ishmael
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NOT!
Is there any credible talk of anyone in the Senate exploring a run against Reid for Senate leader? If so, does said person support/oppose Lieberman? Perhaps that’s an alternative pressure point to get Reid moving off dead center.
Ghostman
http://bobgeiger.blogspot.com/
Saturday, August 26, 2006
Reporting Accurately on Reid’s Options With Lieberman
The Progressive blog world has been on fire this week with tales of Senator Joe Lieberman campaigning for Republicans in Connecticut. But, as Stephen Elliott said Friday in the Huffington Post, it may or may not be accurate, depending on how you view Lieberman’s public appearance with Republican candidates Jodi Rell (Governor) and Rob Simmons (House of Representatives) at a gathering to celebrate the Groton submarine base surviving years of national military-base closures.
So is something like this “campaigning” with Republicans or isn’t it? Frankly, if I were on Rell’s staff, I would worry that appearing with Lieberman would make her look too conservative but, as the Hartford Courant said simply on Thursday, “Lieberman will appear with two prominent Republicans, Gov. M. Jodi Rell and U.S. Rep. Rob Simmons, R-2nd, to celebrate last year’s reversal of a Pentagon decision to close the Groton submarine base.”
Does a mere appearance to celebrate some very good news for the people of Connecticut — even with GOP candidates there — mean that Lieberman is campaigning with them? Simmons certainly didn’t waste too much time hawking his appearance at the Groton base on, yes, his campaign web site, so one could indeed reasonably construe it as a campaign event.
[snip]
[CHS notes — we don’t reprint whole articles due to copyright considerations. Thanks for the link to Bob’s article — he’s a great guy.]
ROFL - I think Karma demanded a lot of holy posts.
Sorry. My excuse is that I have had to deal with the upside down laptop screen too much today. Fixed now though.
Racism - oh you bet. In addition to Christy’s and angie’s links, this caught my eye:
No Jail time for beating two black youths with metal baton
To be fair, he did get 5 years probation.
To be even more fair — the jerk beat teenage girls. WIth a cheering section behind him.
As to Gerstein’s total lack of credibility, John C posted a link this morning about the Ned/Hillary meeting that pretty well said it all:
This from the campaign that robocalled voters with a badly edited endorsement from Bill Clinton and a (non-union) button of The Hug. This from the man attacking Ned because he was endorsed by — gasp! — Sharpton, Jackson, and Waters. Dan Gerstein goes beyond mere putzdom. He is the Platonic form of putzdom.
punaise
What should we call him? Maybe Dick?
What should we call him? Maybe Dick?
No — Maybe Dick 707
Bob Geiger explains why RGJoe can’t be stripped of committee assignments… But RGJoe still has some punishment coming!
From HuffPost:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....28058.html
Mary, some days I think we have our century-counting wrong. This is one of those days.
whoopsies– Israeli missiles just struck a car in Gaza– 13 people injured and a Reuter’s cameraman was in the car.
neurophius @ 57
Joe. B. Dick
Ghost, I read some speculation yesterday, which I don’t entirely buy, that Hillary’s meeting with Ned, was exactly that, a run at Harry’s job.
Being from Nevada is not necessarily a super-safe Democratic seat, which makes the job a lot tougher. Nevada may not be the best state for the Democratic leader to come from, but I’m agnostic about it until after November 7.
lotus @20 - thanks for the huffpo link. That is great. Now for all the mainstream church and non-fundie evangelicals (there are a few) they can second the picture of the world burning, with one of Cheney face - Halliburton logo and “Beware of false Profits”
How can anyone take RGJoe’s promises to caucus with Dems if he makes it back into the Senate seriously when he’s clearly already playing for the other side?
The lack of coherent message from his campaign is astounding. All of this “tailor your message to your audience” crap may have worked ten years ago, but today, in the age of blogs and youtube, we’re beyond that. If you contradict yourself, it *will* be seen.
neurophius @ 57
there’s Noah counting for some people’s behavior
Yepper, Mary.
the ape and banana picture was just on CNN re George allen - he skipped a campaign stop b/c of the protesters
with one of Cheney face - Halliburton logo and “Beware of false Profits”
LMAO
lovely– twolf1!
charlesf
Thanks for the information. I have never claimed to be an expert on Senate rules.
CNN just carried a story about Sen. George Allen skipping a campaign stop because of protertors dressed as a monkey and a banana (photo shown). Didnt that happen yesterday?
Jonah, Noah, whatever
yeah Casper, I’m pretty much in the “I don’t buy it” camp as well. I think Hillary is oriented only for 2008. Well, shoot. There MUST be things to be done against HoJo. I simply cannot abide a traitor…I never have.
Ghostman
*ilson46201 @ 73
CNN’s always a little behind. Come on, give ‘em a break. I mean, it takes some time to read through all the blogs to find out what is going on in the world. ;)
*ilson46201 @ 70
*ilson, that banana just might have legs!
punaise @ 65
Yeah, well it took you a whale to think of that one…
twolf1 @ 73
I could not be happier! His racist hide is getting whupped!
Maybe Dick? 707
Nothing much against Pelosi, but if the Dems take the House, I hope Murtha runs against her and wins. The Iraq
waroccupationstagnation needs a hard punch. I don’t see her delivering it.neurophius @ 77
Perhaps punaise took his time on porpoise
CNN archly reported that the monkey slur might be racial in nature. Ya think?
OT
Turks and Persians or no Turks and Persians, the Iraqi Kurds have plans for Kirkuk . . .
Whenever some dude gets up on his hind legs and attacks Jane, I’m reminded of that blogger panel with Duncan (Atrios), John (AmericaBlog) and Kos (his lordship) at YKos. When John turned to Jane and asked **I’m not sure what you do. What are you doing here?** or some nonsense, Jane replied sweetly, “I’m the girl!”
Somehow, other laddies see that as an invitation to attack, not knowing how strong and wieldy the distaff side of the blogosphere is. This Elliott person is the latest example of a swing-and-a-miss at Jane. Keep at it, laddies, eventually you’ll see how silly you look. Picking on girls! Who beat you up when you pick on them!! — the worst of all possible outcomes….
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Had Enough?
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Apparently it takes CNN even longer to post stories on its Web site; at least, I haven’t found the banana story there.
charlesf at 2:24 pm
Maybe I missed something?
Geiger is flat wrong.
Joe’s the highest profile pol in CT, largely due to Al Gore selecting him as his Veep Candidate in 2000, but also for his fawning over Bush’s Iraq Occupation. Joe’s sharing the media spotlight that follows him around with Republicans. The fact that one Democrat showed up doesn’t change that.
If it was so “bi-partisan,” why didn’t Chris Dodd and Ned show up?
Dan Gerstein is a d**k with ears who couldn’t sell pu**y on a troop train and got some other clown to try to sell his story. The reference to clowns is no way intended to disrespect the hard working people at Ringling Bros.
Once again the Joe Lowliferman campaign proves the old saying, ‘You can’t make chicken salad out of chicken shit’. H/T to Gen John Batiste via Raw Story for reminding me of that fact.
http://www.rawstory.com/showou.....-rumsfeld/
*ilson46201 @ 79
It is Carol Lin, *ilson– she cannot help herself– the white stripes in her hair are interfering with any brains her parents may have endowed her with– she is much more comfortable reporting on JBR.
Keep at it, laddies, eventually you’ll see how silly you look. Picking on girls! Who beat you up when you pick on them!! — the worst of all possible outcomes….
(many an evil mwheee heeee heeee heard around the Lake)
Mary @ 77
Suggest you check out Murtha’s positions on issues other than the War on Iraq…. particularly with regard to the social issues, I’d be careful what you wish for! More tears shed over answered prayers than unanswered ones.
OT - or maybe not. I watched some c-span earlier today (not upside down) with the WSJ guys who wrote a book called DISASTER:(uh can’t remember the rest specifically- Katrina in there)
The only things worse than what was is their speculation on what will be.
I think WSJ has a long excerpt up somewhere - if the book is a good as they were, we need to have Reid deliver copies to everyone, Dems included (hello Joe) on the HS Committee who signed off on the abmoninable icetruck report.
Y’know, freakdaddy, I don’t much like that first sentence of yours. Especially as set against your second.
BarbaraB @ 27
He’s never seen combat of any kind, unless you consider political backstabbing to be part of that routine. He isn’t fit even to mention in the same breath as some of the people that HopeSAT described on her blog. Yet he cheerily, breezily sends them to their deaths, or to spending the rest of their lives maimed physically and emotionally.
Yeah, he took a bus ride 40 years ago, and the rest of us have been paying his fare ever since.
al-Scooter said about Lieberman : Yeah, he took a bus ride 40 years ago, and the rest of us have been paying his fare ever since.
Good comment!
Joe didn’t even offer to pay bus fare for those rape victims in Connecticut…
Disaster: Hurricane Katrina and the Failure of Homeland Security
why would folk on a troop train want kitty-kats? a candy bar? well, perhaps …
al-Scoots just so nails these things, eh, *ilson?
angie @ 58
so maybe the CM will finally notice these attacks …sigh
lotus - why would anyone sell putty on trains?
Well said Jane,
You always help to remind me not to get caught up in being worried about how Democrats are coming off. You are right. It was a campaign appearance. Pure and simple. You called it, and you knew it, and you were right.
thanks, for hanging tough, and reminding me to do the same…
Mary
What are you trying to do, make me get further behind in my reading?
*g*
Thanks for the recommendation.
Siun @ 96
yeah. ditto on the sigh.
I heard about the Germans sending Lenin and others back to Russia on sealed trains. Maybe that’s what the putty is for?
lotus @
89
I do not find anything problematic about the language used in this particular comment, particularly since freakdaddy took the trouble to use asterisks.
As long as I’m still running this place you can peddle the virgin ears bit somewhere else.
[CHS notes — we don’t reprint whole articles due to copyright considerations. Thanks for the link to Bob’s article — he’s a great guy.]
you are welcome CHS, i like his writing, too. thanks for the note and snipping and not deleting. so far no ‘concern troll’ comments. i think it is important to stay smart about things, and not fall into groupthink, where no questioning is tolerated.
one other observation OT: it seems since the lamont win things are moving exponentially faster in our direction, and an ugly meltdown on all fronts from the right, including lieberman’s campaign.
see, *ilson, Carol Lin just said “and, next, the week at war” with a cutesy grin on her face………
blergh.
As you wish.
I could easily be wrong about this, but I think freakdaddy might be Canadian, and I think he went to CT, to volunteer for Ned. I also think he might have ponied up cash for TRex to get to CT.
Maybe I have him confused with someone else, I’m not 100% sure.
lotus @ 58
On the other hand, whenever I sit in on a BlueAmerica session, I am hopeful. I now feel invested in a diversified portfolio of wonderful candidates, some of whom may actually win. Oh, and I hereby nominate Jerry McNerney for the hottest progressive candidate we have met, bumping John Laesch into second place. That picture of him with the windmills…zowie.
neurophius(#49): Your view of the democratic party goes beyond what, exactly?
I wrote: “With nearly a half-dozen democratic senators having announced for Jo Jo, and more having assumed a position that entails a fence post sticking up their collective ass, any such appeal to Reid is an exercise in wishful thinking. I know the democratic party is the hometown team, the only game in town, the last straw to grasp.. but get real”.
The history of the party notwithstanding (or the fact that Lieberman voted in favor of cloture in the Alito proceedings), do you believe Reid is in a position to strip Jo Jo of his seniority? That was gist of my remark. And if he can’t, why do think that is?
One of the beautiful things about being an incumbent is doing all those non-political public events all in the name of good governance. Your challenger is just a mindlessly partisan hack while you come off as a high-minded public servant.
Funny how that worked out for Joe and Republican incumbents…
TeddySanFran @ 87
I absolutely know TSF. I don’t hope he keeps it forever, but I still hope he gets it. So far I haven’t had that many answered prayers, but I haven’t shed more tears because of them. My eyes are usually pretty open. We are also going to have a bear of a time for a couple years on social issues because of the crappy economic issues Bush is leaving behind. Murtha’s got an ok hold on numbers too.
He’s not the “face of the Democratic party” that I would like to see now and forever, but he’s willing to run against her and he’ll take much harder swings on what is, to me, the most important thing on the table right now.
More important to me than choice, minimum wage, education, etc. all rolled together. IMO, it’s a disaster that looms. He’s also been way more agreesive and more correct on Constitutional issues - which are my “next on the table” (he put provisions in the appropriations that monies could not be used for surveillance that violates the 4th amendment — Bush signing statemented over them (I’ll spend how I think fit) but Murtha was swinging. I’m not excited by a litany of positions that I can say I agree with, when they have no credible fighting force behind them. She hasn’t shown it on what is important to me.
Not that anyone needs to agree with me - it’s an IMO, YMMV, FWIW. ;) Just that I’m not shy on saying what I think on what I feel most strongly about.
Well, not shy except for the asterisks. I just wish I could find a way to make my asterisks look italicized - not that provoking anyone comes to mind.
*ilson & neuro & lotus:
Thanks. As we evolve our General Theory of RG Joe, it seems that his history is one of leveraging his career by comforting the comfortable while afflicting the afflicted, but all the while trying to put on a show about how much he was helping people with real needs.
Combat victims, rape victims, they’re all the same to Joe: the best way to get his help is to show that you don’t really need it.
He’s like Junior to me, I can’t stand the sound of his voice any longer.
You know, Majority Leader Lyndon Johnson would have plucked Lieberman’s heart straight out of his traitorous chest, and eaten it before Joe’s horrified eyes, as an example to other wobbly-kneed member of the caucus. Contrast that with the gentle mewlings and bleatings coming from reid’s office. Now, I’m not advocating old-school Aztec blood sacrifice, or the disemboweling of senators, but I do wish Reid would be a bit more…forceful.
Sonoma, if Harry isn’t a pressure point in your opinion, what do you suggest we do?
John Casper @ 93
That’s it! It was a very good c-span discussion. You forget that you can watch something on tv and learn things and have people discuss important topics with the goal of getting at resolutions instead of taking shots at each other.