Careerist LieberLiar Dan Gerstein is struggling from a serious credibility problem these days. So when somebody needed to make the absurd contention that Lieberman’s visit to the Groton sub base with Republicans Rob Simmons and Jodi Rell did not constitute a campaign appearance, how helpful that a surrogate appeared — someone quite unfamiiar with the contours of the race (or obviously with politics in general) who would bridle with self-righteous indignation that such a stop could conceivably be called "campaigning." Concern-filled calls for retraction and other obscure and weirdly non-tangential anecdotes ensued.
Dan did not, as Dan is wont to do, push his face in front of a microphone and make this ridiculous claim himself. Small wonder. The cover story seems to be that they were at the sub base for a "conference," but that doesn’t explain what GOP House candidate Simmons was doing with Lieberman at the Millstone nuclear power plant later that day. This is how one employee of the plant described the appearance:
[T]hey were walking around shaking hands at the plant. It sure felt like a political thing to me. I am just a voter in Connecticut.
It was a cruel bit of irony that Stephen Elliot’s piece went up on the HuffPo just as Joe was retracting his former endorsement of the three Democratic House candidates in the race, one of whom Simmons is running against:
Lieberman — who after losing an Aug. 8 Democratic primary to Ned Lamont has launched a third-party bid to hold onto his seat in the Nov. 7 general election — was asked whether he still endorses Diane Farrell, Joe Courtney and Chris Murphy, three Democrats looking to unseat endangered Republican incumbents Chris Shays, Rob Simmons and Nancy Johnson.
“I’m a non-combatant,” Lieberman declared. “I am not going to be involved in other campaigns. I think it’s better if I just focus on my own race.”…
“It’s a little awkward for me now” to endorse the Democratic candidates in the general election, he said, “since they all endorsed my opponent,” Democratic primary winner Ned Lamont.
It’s notable that Chris Dodd had the good sense/party loyalty not to get anywhere near this dog and watch Lieberman gladhand with Republicans. And despite Joe’s addiction to "having it both ways," the campaign’s attempts to do so are getting more and more embarrassing, to the point where they are probably desperate to outsource the more comically daffy claims. How very convenient that there are those so eager to enter the conversation in a way that will call attention to themselves that they are willing to take a swing at me, Kos and MyDD and assume the ensuing humiliation on Gerstein’s behalf.
I suggest flowers and a nice card, Dan.
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Jane and Ned!
Fitz!
Nedth!
EPU’d from an earlier thread. Is this news?
LIE-Berman considers Iraq Pullout
Someone needs to make a new, improved “Kiss Float” and add a large pair of FLIP-FLOPS.
Jacqrat @ 2
Pulling out is okay as long as it’s a Republican’s idea.
Hi Jane… I want to know why someone has not made one of those offers that RGJoe cannot refuse… you know….. decided to pursue opportunities elsewhere or wanted to spend more time with the family?
WHY, why, why are we not seeing the consequences that Reid said would happen?
What a tool!
Twisted Martini @ 6
What a tool!
“as Dan did wont to do”?
I bet those three Republicans are going to be very unhappy when they learn that Joe is tapping their donors too. With “friends” like Joe, who needs enemies?
Jeezo-peets, twolfie, what does that thang weigh?
And what an interesting photo up top.
liar, liar, nose on fire
phwew, note to self… never cross Jane!
glad we’re on the same team most of the time, girl!
lotus @ 9
The knife is a brute, weighing 2 pounds, 11 ounces and measuring 8.75 inches. But don’t worry, it has a key ring so you can carry it on a belt loop.
The whole “we’re not gonna do anything about lieberman” thing goin’ on makes me wonder if there is more goin’ on behind closed doors than we be privy too.
Does anyone believe that Bill Clinton and Barbara Boxer didn’t foresee Jo Jo’s treacherous contortions? Answer ‘no’, and who do you think you’re kidding? Answer ‘yes’, and what does that tell you about the democratic party-as-currently-constituted?
Oh, that’s right, I forgot. Hillary deigned have lunch with LaMont.
Never mind, every thing’s cool.
So who is this guy? I just googled his blog (his name dot com), and there’s a piece he wrote about how the Dems aren’t going to take back Congress. Here’s a juicy little tidbit:
“I’m tired of blaming Republicans for everything. We have a two-party system. When is the other party going to suit up?”
Oh, the wretched irony of it all, Stephen!
meta @ 15
Nice find, meta.
The pressure on Harry Reid to deal with the Lieberman problem needs to increase. I live in a state with two repug senators, but those in states with one or two Democratic senators might want to consider contacting their offices and asking their senator(s) to speak with Reid about pulling Joe’s committee assignments and announcing that he won’t have any privileges as a Democrat after the election if he should get elected by directly opposing the Democratic nominee. I am sure many readers have already done this; I hope that more will do so.
OT but woohoo!
http://www.rawstory.com/showar…..82606.html
twolf1 @ 13
I agree twolf1, although I have absolutely no evidence. I wonder if Joe’s
“I’m a non-combatant,” non-campaigning with Repubicans at the sub base was a response to learning that Hillary would meet with Ned? Again that’s complete speculation. I also wonder if the final end game for Democrats is not only to get Joe to bow out, but to also endorse Ned and the Democratic candidates? I’m not sure how realistic that is, but I bet the CT Democratic party really wants that.OT, if Joe won’t endorse the three Republican candidates, they might wonder what benefit they derive from him. He’s just siphoning money and media attention away from their races.
Speaking of clowns, check out the main photo at HufPo while you’re at it.
Hows are moderate Republicans and Independents suppose to believe that the Democrats are strong leaders when they let a member of their party make a mockery of the democratic process, and the party without any repercussions?
Hotdamn, angie! Thanks for that link.
I also hope that Reid is not playing a “play it safe” game, trying not to offend Lieberman in the hope that if he gets elected, he will choose to caucus for the Democrats and be a vote for Reid as majority leader. That would be disgusting.
If Lieberman gets elected, and there happens to be a close contest for which party will be the majority, he will go to the highest bidder. With Chimpy in the White House (as dreams of a cabinet post float in Joe’s head) that would be the Republicans.
The Democatic leadership needs to face the fact that Lieberman has become a RIABPL (Republican in all but party label).
angie @ 18
Right on. Thanks for the news, angie. And kudos to Patricia; hope TRex does go down and interview her.
When Joe Lieberman stated that he would consider Representative Shays’ plan for a timetable withdrawl from Iraq, he revealed himself to be a craven jerk only capable of taking his moves from republican wind testers.
At least Joe has stripped all cover from his constant lie that he is a steadfast and principled man unwaved by the swift winds of political expedience.
He is a man without any conviction or center.
Joe is that vague coconut creme candy everyone avoids in the Whitman Sampler.
Hi Jane!!!
That’s funny, he doesn’t look Swiss.
Actually, it is tragically humerous to see Jilted Joe hang himself so totally and methodically with the rope his ego is giving him. Probably a deep seated self-destruct wish arising from the place where he knows he is commiting such trecherous acts.
BarbaraB @ 27
but he should fold like a knife
charming:
punaise @ 29
I was thinking that’s he’s full of holes, melts well under low heat, and is about ready to spread on toast.
He does have that hole-ier than thou thing going, though.
Joe as Scottish Army knife:
Hilt-er’s Kilt-er
immanentize @
25
Exactly!
Man, I can’t wait for his bitter, ungracious concession speech in November. Assuming he goes that far. Has anybody predicted when he’ll drop out of the race? If at all?
punaise @ 30
My comment is Yates:
emphasis mine.
Whitman Sampler
OT, lotus, great catch at 1:58 with the HuffPo link. Dems have the “visual” thing going. First in CT with the “kiss” and now Bush as the new Nero, fiddling as the world burns.
OT, Jane, I totally agree with you about Joe and Dan attacking FDL, DD, and Kos. Wasted ammunition, Joe and Dan, please by all means keep attacking the blogs. All that wasted effort keeps Ned clean.
I declare, whether it’s Alabama or Connecticut or anywhere else, the sheer backwardness of our opponents these days just takes my breath away.
They’ve completely lost the thread.
Oh, so Big Bad & Scawy they were a year ago (just ask ‘em). Now with all these holes worn through it, we see inside their gaudy veneer naught but — *air*.
racism is alive and well in our country ;( punaise.
this is quite a heartrending little piece from the wapo wrt Allen’s macaca evildoing:
emphasis mine.
I would suggest that all Americans of all colors work together toward Mr. John J. Thatamanil’s goal.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01235.html
“The pressure on Harry Reid to deal with the Lieberman problem needs to increase”.
With nearly a half-dozen democratic senators having announced for Jo Jo, and more having assumed a position that entails a fence post sticking up their collective ass, any such appeal to Reid is an exercise in wishful thinking. I know the democratic party is the hometown team, the only game in town, the last straw to grasp.. but get real.
immanentize @ 25
The one that’s the same color of weird green that they used to paint concrete walls in gradeschools?
You don’t really know about them, though, until someone punches through the exterior to reveal the menace within.
Thank you Jane.
BarbaraB @ 27
Maybe a bit holy -erthanthou?
Lovely poetic resonance to a disgusting prosaic act there, imm (but the owner spelled that sound “Yeats” — go figure, I never could).
Funny you used the term “righteous indignation,” Jane. I just used it in a post to another blog. It’s one of the cards that the right wingers love to play to distract attention… it energizes their base and the media loves a food fight. Remember when Kerry mentioned Cheney’s lesbian daughter in the debates? Kerry’s point was lost and Lynn Cheney’s righteous indignation was the story of the day… and the next.
punaise @ 30
Republican family values.
As everyone knows, Republican Jesus wears dark colored business suits. He is opposed to the estate tax, and enjoys capital punishment and bombing foreigners.
Hey, I like the coconut candy in the Whitman’s sampler. *g* Great piece, Jane. :)
Ishmael, I was just thinking about how to successfully make war on Xmas again this year, and poof you show up.
What on earth was that just blew through here???
pee yew!
Sonoma
I’m sorry, but my view of the Democratic Party goes beyond that. The Democratic Party is the only party that had room within it for a civil rights movement and an antiwar movement in the 1960s and 1970s. It is the only party that has offered any resistence to the wrong policies of George W. Bush. It is the only party of which a majority of members voted to filibuster the Alito nomination. It has never been perfect, but it is worth a struggle to make it the best it can be.
call me, Ishmael
.
NOT!
Is there any credible talk of anyone in the Senate exploring a run against Reid for Senate leader? If so, does said person support/oppose Lieberman? Perhaps that’s an alternative pressure point to get Reid moving off dead center.
Ghostman
http://bobgeiger.blogspot.com/
Saturday, August 26, 2006
Reporting Accurately on Reid’s Options With Lieberman
The Progressive blog world has been on fire this week with tales of Senator Joe Lieberman campaigning for Republicans in Connecticut. But, as Stephen Elliott said Friday in the Huffington Post, it may or may not be accurate, depending on how you view Lieberman’s public appearance with Republican candidates Jodi Rell (Governor) and Rob Simmons (House of Representatives) at a gathering to celebrate the Groton submarine base surviving years of national military-base closures.
So is something like this “campaigning” with Republicans or isn’t it? Frankly, if I were on Rell’s staff, I would worry that appearing with Lieberman would make her look too conservative but, as the Hartford Courant said simply on Thursday, “Lieberman will appear with two prominent Republicans, Gov. M. Jodi Rell and U.S. Rep. Rob Simmons, R-2nd, to celebrate last year’s reversal of a Pentagon decision to close the Groton submarine base.”
Does a mere appearance to celebrate some very good news for the people of Connecticut — even with GOP candidates there — mean that Lieberman is campaigning with them? Simmons certainly didn’t waste too much time hawking his appearance at the Groton base on, yes, his campaign web site, so one could indeed reasonably construe it as a campaign event.
[snip]
[CHS notes — we don’t reprint whole articles due to copyright considerations. Thanks for the link to Bob’s article — he’s a great guy.]
ROFL – I think Karma demanded a lot of holy posts.
Sorry. My excuse is that I have had to deal with the upside down laptop screen too much today. Fixed now though.
Racism – oh you bet. In addition to Christy’s and angie’s links, this caught my eye:
No Jail time for beating two black youths with metal baton
To be fair, he did get 5 years probation.
To be even more fair — the jerk beat teenage girls. WIth a cheering section behind him.
As to Gerstein’s total lack of credibility, John C posted a link this morning about the Ned/Hillary meeting that pretty well said it all:
This from the campaign that robocalled voters with a badly edited endorsement from Bill Clinton and a (non-union) button of The Hug. This from the man attacking Ned because he was endorsed by — gasp! — Sharpton, Jackson, and Waters. Dan Gerstein goes beyond mere putzdom. He is the Platonic form of putzdom.
punaise
What should we call him? Maybe Dick?
What should we call him? Maybe Dick?
No — Maybe Dick 707
Bob Geiger explains why RGJoe can’t be stripped of committee assignments… But RGJoe still has some punishment coming!
From HuffPost:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..28058.html
Mary, some days I think we have our century-counting wrong. This is one of those days.
whoopsies– Israeli missiles just struck a car in Gaza– 13 people injured and a Reuter’s cameraman was in the car.
neurophius @ 57
Joe. B. Dick
Ghost, I read some speculation yesterday, which I don’t entirely buy, that Hillary’s meeting with Ned, was exactly that, a run at Harry’s job.
Being from Nevada is not necessarily a super-safe Democratic seat, which makes the job a lot tougher. Nevada may not be the best state for the Democratic leader to come from, but I’m agnostic about it until after November 7.
lotus @20 – thanks for the huffpo link. That is great. Now for all the mainstream church and non-fundie evangelicals (there are a few) they can second the picture of the world burning, with one of Cheney face – Halliburton logo and “Beware of false Profits”
How can anyone take RGJoe’s promises to caucus with Dems if he makes it back into the Senate seriously when he’s clearly already playing for the other side?
The lack of coherent message from his campaign is astounding. All of this “tailor your message to your audience” crap may have worked ten years ago, but today, in the age of blogs and youtube, we’re beyond that. If you contradict yourself, it *will* be seen.
neurophius @ 57
there’s Noah counting for some people’s behavior
Yepper, Mary.
the ape and banana picture was just on CNN re George allen – he skipped a campaign stop b/c of the protesters
with one of Cheney face – Halliburton logo and “Beware of false Profits”
LMAO
lovely– twolf1!
charlesf
Thanks for the information. I have never claimed to be an expert on Senate rules.
CNN just carried a story about Sen. George Allen skipping a campaign stop because of protertors dressed as a monkey and a banana (photo shown). Didnt that happen yesterday?
Jonah, Noah, whatever
yeah Casper, I’m pretty much in the “I don’t buy it” camp as well. I think Hillary is oriented only for 2008. Well, shoot. There MUST be things to be done against HoJo. I simply cannot abide a traitor…I never have.
Ghostman
*ilson46201 @ 73
CNN’s always a little behind. Come on, give ‘em a break. I mean, it takes some time to read through all the blogs to find out what is going on in the world. ;)
*ilson46201 @ 70
*ilson, that banana just might have legs!
punaise @ 65
Yeah, well it took you a whale to think of that one…
twolf1 @ 73
I could not be happier! His racist hide is getting whupped!
Maybe Dick? 707
Nothing much against Pelosi, but if the Dems take the House, I hope Murtha runs against her and wins. The Iraq
waroccupationstagnation needs a hard punch. I don’t see her delivering it.neurophius @ 77
Perhaps punaise took his time on porpoise
CNN archly reported that the monkey slur might be racial in nature. Ya think?
OT
Turks and Persians or no Turks and Persians, the Iraqi Kurds have plans for Kirkuk . . .
Whenever some dude gets up on his hind legs and attacks Jane, I’m reminded of that blogger panel with Duncan (Atrios), John (AmericaBlog) and Kos (his lordship) at YKos. When John turned to Jane and asked **I’m not sure what you do. What are you doing here?** or some nonsense, Jane replied sweetly, “I’m the girl!”
Somehow, other laddies see that as an invitation to attack, not knowing how strong and wieldy the distaff side of the blogosphere is. This Elliott person is the latest example of a swing-and-a-miss at Jane. Keep at it, laddies, eventually you’ll see how silly you look. Picking on girls! Who beat you up when you pick on them!! — the worst of all possible outcomes….
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Had Enough?
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Apparently it takes CNN even longer to post stories on its Web site; at least, I haven’t found the banana story there.
charlesf at 2:24 pm
Maybe I missed something?
Geiger is flat wrong.
Joe’s the highest profile pol in CT, largely due to Al Gore selecting him as his Veep Candidate in 2000, but also for his fawning over Bush’s Iraq Occupation. Joe’s sharing the media spotlight that follows him around with Republicans. The fact that one Democrat showed up doesn’t change that.
If it was so “bi-partisan,” why didn’t Chris Dodd and Ned show up?
Dan Gerstein is a d**k with ears who couldn’t sell pu**y on a troop train and got some other clown to try to sell his story. The reference to clowns is no way intended to disrespect the hard working people at Ringling Bros.
Once again the Joe Lowliferman campaign proves the old saying, ‘You can’t make chicken salad out of chicken shit’. H/T to Gen John Batiste via Raw Story for reminding me of that fact.
http://www.rawstory.com/showou…..-rumsfeld/
*ilson46201 @ 79
It is Carol Lin, *ilson– she cannot help herself– the white stripes in her hair are interfering with any brains her parents may have endowed her with– she is much more comfortable reporting on JBR.
Keep at it, laddies, eventually you’ll see how silly you look. Picking on girls! Who beat you up when you pick on them!! — the worst of all possible outcomes….
(many an evil mwheee heeee heeee heard around the Lake)
Mary @ 77
Suggest you check out Murtha’s positions on issues other than the War on Iraq…. particularly with regard to the social issues, I’d be careful what you wish for! More tears shed over answered prayers than unanswered ones.
OT – or maybe not. I watched some c-span earlier today (not upside down) with the WSJ guys who wrote a book called DISASTER:(uh can’t remember the rest specifically- Katrina in there)
The only things worse than what was is their speculation on what will be.
I think WSJ has a long excerpt up somewhere – if the book is a good as they were, we need to have Reid deliver copies to everyone, Dems included (hello Joe) on the HS Committee who signed off on the abmoninable icetruck report.
Y’know, freakdaddy, I don’t much like that first sentence of yours. Especially as set against your second.
BarbaraB @ 27
He’s never seen combat of any kind, unless you consider political backstabbing to be part of that routine. He isn’t fit even to mention in the same breath as some of the people that HopeSAT described on her blog. Yet he cheerily, breezily sends them to their deaths, or to spending the rest of their lives maimed physically and emotionally.
Yeah, he took a bus ride 40 years ago, and the rest of us have been paying his fare ever since.
al-Scooter said about Lieberman : Yeah, he took a bus ride 40 years ago, and the rest of us have been paying his fare ever since.
Good comment!
Joe didn’t even offer to pay bus fare for those rape victims in Connecticut…
Disaster: Hurricane Katrina and the Failure of Homeland Security
why would folk on a troop train want kitty-kats? a candy bar? well, perhaps …
al-Scoots just so nails these things, eh, *ilson?
angie @ 58
so maybe the CM will finally notice these attacks …sigh
lotus – why would anyone sell putty on trains?
Well said Jane,
You always help to remind me not to get caught up in being worried about how Democrats are coming off. You are right. It was a campaign appearance. Pure and simple. You called it, and you knew it, and you were right.
thanks, for hanging tough, and reminding me to do the same…
Mary
What are you trying to do, make me get further behind in my reading?
*g*
Thanks for the recommendation.
Siun @ 96
yeah. ditto on the sigh.
I heard about the Germans sending Lenin and others back to Russia on sealed trains. Maybe that’s what the putty is for?
lotus @
89
I do not find anything problematic about the language used in this particular comment, particularly since freakdaddy took the trouble to use asterisks.
As long as I’m still running this place you can peddle the virgin ears bit somewhere else.
[CHS notes — we don’t reprint whole articles due to copyright considerations. Thanks for the link to Bob’s article — he’s a great guy.]
you are welcome CHS, i like his writing, too. thanks for the note and snipping and not deleting. so far no ‘concern troll’ comments. i think it is important to stay smart about things, and not fall into groupthink, where no questioning is tolerated.
one other observation OT: it seems since the lamont win things are moving exponentially faster in our direction, and an ugly meltdown on all fronts from the right, including lieberman’s campaign.
see, *ilson, Carol Lin just said “and, next, the week at war” with a cutesy grin on her face………
blergh.
As you wish.
I could easily be wrong about this, but I think freakdaddy might be Canadian, and I think he went to CT, to volunteer for Ned. I also think he might have ponied up cash for TRex to get to CT.
Maybe I have him confused with someone else, I’m not 100% sure.
lotus @ 58
On the other hand, whenever I sit in on a BlueAmerica session, I am hopeful. I now feel invested in a diversified portfolio of wonderful candidates, some of whom may actually win. Oh, and I hereby nominate Jerry McNerney for the hottest progressive candidate we have met, bumping John Laesch into second place. That picture of him with the windmills…zowie.
neurophius(#49): Your view of the democratic party goes beyond what, exactly?
I wrote: “With nearly a half-dozen democratic senators having announced for Jo Jo, and more having assumed a position that entails a fence post sticking up their collective ass, any such appeal to Reid is an exercise in wishful thinking. I know the democratic party is the hometown team, the only game in town, the last straw to grasp.. but get real”.
The history of the party notwithstanding (or the fact that Lieberman voted in favor of cloture in the Alito proceedings), do you believe Reid is in a position to strip Jo Jo of his seniority? That was gist of my remark. And if he can’t, why do think that is?
One of the beautiful things about being an incumbent is doing all those non-political public events all in the name of good governance. Your challenger is just a mindlessly partisan hack while you come off as a high-minded public servant.
Funny how that worked out for Joe and Republican incumbents…
TeddySanFran @ 87
I absolutely know TSF. I don’t hope he keeps it forever, but I still hope he gets it. So far I haven’t had that many answered prayers, but I haven’t shed more tears because of them. My eyes are usually pretty open. We are also going to have a bear of a time for a couple years on social issues because of the crappy economic issues Bush is leaving behind. Murtha’s got an ok hold on numbers too.
He’s not the “face of the Democratic party” that I would like to see now and forever, but he’s willing to run against her and he’ll take much harder swings on what is, to me, the most important thing on the table right now.
More important to me than choice, minimum wage, education, etc. all rolled together. IMO, it’s a disaster that looms. He’s also been way more agreesive and more correct on Constitutional issues – which are my “next on the table” (he put provisions in the appropriations that monies could not be used for surveillance that violates the 4th amendment — Bush signing statemented over them (I’ll spend how I think fit) but Murtha was swinging. I’m not excited by a litany of positions that I can say I agree with, when they have no credible fighting force behind them. She hasn’t shown it on what is important to me.
Not that anyone needs to agree with me – it’s an IMO, YMMV, FWIW. ;) Just that I’m not shy on saying what I think on what I feel most strongly about.
Well, not shy except for the asterisks. I just wish I could find a way to make my asterisks look italicized – not that provoking anyone comes to mind.
*ilson & neuro & lotus:
Thanks. As we evolve our General Theory of RG Joe, it seems that his history is one of leveraging his career by comforting the comfortable while afflicting the afflicted, but all the while trying to put on a show about how much he was helping people with real needs.
Combat victims, rape victims, they’re all the same to Joe: the best way to get his help is to show that you don’t really need it.
He’s like Junior to me, I can’t stand the sound of his voice any longer.
You know, Majority Leader Lyndon Johnson would have plucked Lieberman’s heart straight out of his traitorous chest, and eaten it before Joe’s horrified eyes, as an example to other wobbly-kneed member of the caucus. Contrast that with the gentle mewlings and bleatings coming from reid’s office. Now, I’m not advocating old-school Aztec blood sacrifice, or the disemboweling of senators, but I do wish Reid would be a bit more…forceful.
Sonoma, if Harry isn’t a pressure point in your opinion, what do you suggest we do?
John Casper @ 93
That’s it! It was a very good c-span discussion. You forget that you can watch something on tv and learn things and have people discuss important topics with the goal of getting at resolutions instead of taking shots at each other.
cleter @ 112
Wow, isn’t that the truth! LBJ, for all his faults, knew a little something about leadership. Harry? You there, Harry?
What Harry’s giving RGJoe could nowhere near be construed as HELL!
Perhaps GOP Leaders Frist and McConnell will set the example next month, if Chafee decides to run as an Independent (or a Rhode Island for Chafee!) should he be defeated by Club-for-Growth darling Laffee in the GOP primary in Rhode Island….
Well said cleter at 3:02.
Sonoma
I am not yet ready to declare the Democratic Party “the last straw to grasp..”
I have already acknowledged my lack of knowledge about the Senate rules and committee chairmanships.
Nevertheless, I think there is a lot that Democratic senators could do in response to Lieberman’s mutiny, such as endorsing him and actively campaigning for him.
newtonusr @ 117
When Harry met Lassie
Cleter at 112 is right on target. Say what you will about LBJ the President, and Vietnam….but ole Majority Leader Johnson would NOT have tolerated HoJo’s BS for one minute.
Ghostman
Just want to give major props to Bob Geiger. I had a chance to have dinner with him this week and folks should know that he is a serious expert on the Senate and a fan of FDL. Bob has been working the phones since the Ned win to keep the various senators on notice that a stand is expected and he’s been researching all the options. This is a guy who actually reads the Congressional Record everyday and then offers his learning to us so we understand the ins and outs so we know where to best apply pressure … plus he gives us the Saturday funnies … and he sure knows how to pick a great restaurant! He’s on my daily must read list. http://bobgeiger.blogspot.com/
punaise @ 60
Someone else at FDL came up with the following a while ago. I think it works:
“HoJo: Bush’s Second Favorite Dick”
Siun @ 121
Ditto. Bob Geiger rocks.
CNNs Senior Pentagon Correspondent Jaimie McIntyre just said it’ll be another 6 months before we know if we are succeeding in Iraq.
Funny how that “6 months” seems to be never-ending, eh?
BarbaraB @ 107
You are right about Howie’s candidate sessions. I swear just reading his pieces makes me have that kind of “shuddery sigh” that you have when you are all braced for the worst of things, and then you peak, and WHEW – it is ok to open our eyes after all.
Sorry lotus not meant to offend.
Just a description of Gertsein and his abilities to try to put together a sales pitch/spin re. the campaign stop. He couldn’t come out with a statement it would be too obvious so he had Elliott to do it. Once again the whole Lieberman story comes unraveled as Joe refuses to back the other Dems. running for the house in CT. Short Joe: ‘I’m not out campaigning with the republicans but I’m not backing the Dems.’
My deepest apologies if I offended anyone. I will keep a tight leash in the future.
Who knows? Perhaps even now, Harry Reid is rooting around in the bottom of his desk drawer, looking for LBJ’s old obsidian knife.
Siun @ 123
it’s not fair. Siun’s days are at least 30 hours long.
Mary – OT. Did Judge Bates’ decision to deny the request to keep Valerie’s private home address off of public court dox strike you as fair?
Joe’s a “non-combatant”? Wrong! He is an “enemy combatant” as far as ANY legitimate Democrat is concerned!
OK – peak should have been peek – I blame the shuddery sigh …
…assuming Tom Daschle didn’t trade LBJ’s obsidian knife for a handful of magic beans, or pixie dust, or something.
ah Punaise … you found out about my secret extra hour vitamin package! take two and your day expands!
(or, living in a great neighborhood, I never cook, don’t clean as much as I should and have not life that does not involve a laptop – you should see my work to do list for this weekend!)
Actually my must-read list is relatively short:
FDL
MyDD
Geiger
Howie
and of course GG/MFI
which reminds me -for the “6 months until we see how Iraq is working out” clown – today’s set of posts at GG are the response. (link in my screen name)
cleter @ 134
or a pair of Leader-hosin’
neurophius responded: “I am not yet ready to declare the Democratic Party “the last straw to grasp..”
Well, I don’t know why not. Is there another national party of which I’m unaware?
And, respectfully, your reply skirted my question. With a large percentage of democratic senators having either endorsed Jo Jo, or having refused to endorse the rightful winner of a Democratic primary, what does that tell you about that party?
neurophius @ 75
Laughing at punaise’s puns is getting to be Ahab-it.
Thank you, freakdaddy, I appreciate your courtesy.
meta @ 129
Yes, but I don’t work on cases where that kind of thing is usually an issue. The order mentioned that the judge or staff, one or the other, got the info from google as it was, so that does make it a hard sell to keep it private IMO.
If it had not been pretty readily available through public domain resources, I would have had a different opinion. I have a dislike for that kind of info being publicized for anyone – to be honest, I wasn’t even crazy about the RUmmy home pics etc. I have two exhighschool friends who are on the bench and all their home info is very easily available – that gives me the creeps, but there’s only so much you can legally do to clamp down on info that is public IMO.
punaise @ 134
man, those are hilarious. I can totally picture Daschle wearin’ those. Secret-like, under his wee Brooks Brothers suit.
orangejumpsuit @ 138
LOL – are you going to keep harpoon on that?
lotus @ 137
And I really appreciate yours, lotus.
Well, at leaspunaise @ 140
Well, at least this discussion shook a few of us out of the Doldrums*
*a somewhat obscure reference to “Moby Dick”
EDITED BY SITE OWNER
not cool
Mary, I take your point. I was just thinking that his argument could also be taken the other way in some sense. Having it on the court records makes it public in one more venue. I understand, but I was hoping that he would err on the side of caution. I know she must be on the receiving end of some frightening threats.
*ilson – if you’re still here – HAPPY BIRTHDAY!
twolf1 @ 13
we can’t do anything to loserman that loserman hasn’t already done to himself
neurophius @ 144
beware the Horse Latitudes, or we’re in for repeat of yesterday a.m.’s silliness
jack e. jett
I think a part of your remark is inappropriate.
jack at 3:22, you’ve got a very anti-semitic statment in your comment. You still have time with the edit function to delete it.
I’m often pretty vulgar, but I’m with neurophius and John Casper on this one. That’s a place we don’t want to go.
meta – I would have liked what you would have liked too – for it to go the other way. But I think it was a “fair” ruling if the recitations in the order are correct.
I’m with you – they probably get all kinds of interactions with nutcases as it is, and have young children to boot. Not much about litigation that isn’t ugly.
I think it was the Oklahoman and Democrat, Will Rogers, also known as the Cherokee Kiddo that said something like, “I don’t belong to any organized political party. I’m a Democrat.”
freakdaddy @ 126
No need for either. I thought it was funny.
jack e. jett @ 143
mod note: post #143 was edited by site owner
You want to rethink this post. Really.
I think jack e. jett is just another Texan misunderestimating us here….
Sonoma says:
“With a large percentage of democratic senators having either endorsed Jo Jo, or having refused to endorse the rightful winner of a Democratic primary, what does that tell you about that party?”
Bob Geiger says:
“That makes 27 of 43 Senate Democrats — not counting Lieberman, of course — who say they support Lamont in the general election on November 7. And here they are…”
BobGeiger.com 8/18/06
Jane Hamsher @ 153
So I can still say things like **** and **** and ****, as long as I use
asteriksesasteri? Good to know.Hmmm – Since Jack hasn’t edited his inappropriate comment could we have clean up at aisle 143?
jack– please make it go away!
Mary @ 131
Glad you explained that. *g*
Jack’s comment is gone but you won’t see that unless you hit the “refresh” button (not the “refresh comments” button)
When is the next round of polls going to be done on the CT Senate race?
Please answer me, someone?
thanks ET — now that I’m 65 I can buy bus passes for half price in Indianapolis !
punaise @ 147
This is beginning to look like peas in a Pequod.
Ed*ard Teller @ 155
????
Ghostman
sorry gang – I was editing when my wifi went bonkers … thanks to whomever fixed it all!
When I was conducting my band before the start of the Alaska State Fair parade this morning, I little 7-year-old girl came up and started staring at me. When we were done with “Mustang Sally”, she asked what the stick I wave is called. I gave her the baton, talked to her mom, lifted her up on a bench and showed her how to conduct “Stars and Stripes Forever.” Then we did it. With sass! She was the hit of our concert.
I explained how you have to quiet the band in a certain place, how they tend to rush in the “dogfight” and how the piccolo is never loud enough near the end, and that in spite of the fact you NEVER look at the trombones if you’re a conductor (it only encourages them), you have to look at them now. She was great.
We did circus marches too – “His Honor” and “The Huntress.”
Bob Geiger says: “That makes 27 of 43 Senate Democrats — not counting Lieberman, of course — who say they support Lamont in the general election on November 7″.
Well, Bob, you’re a sunny side of the street-type guy. Glass half full, and all that. So am I.
But let’s face it. That equation could as well be interpreted as indicating 16 senators- 16, Bob, not a small percentage, you’ve got to grant that- who have chosen to turn their backs on the will of the democratic rank and file.
So my question stands.
Raed on CNN talking about his racial profiling episode.
from raedinthemiddle.
good for him!
Ed*ard Teller @ 167
conduct becoming of a gentleman
Sonoma – if you want to debate Bob, you’ll have to go to his site or the Huffpo post.
*ilson46201 @ 163
I’m coming up on 60 real fast. No discounts for me yet, but……
“Sonoma – if you want to debate Bob, you’ll have to go to his site or the Huffpo post”.
Says who?
Thanks Jane
ET @ 167 – that sounds like a terrific experience all around. You’ll be a part of that little girl’s memory for a long long time.
You aren’t Garrison Keillor are you? I think you did for bands what he did for orchestras
oh, for the ghost of LBJ to possess Harry Reid, if only for a moment.
Ghostman @ 165
go to his website, ghostman. One of the weirdest drivebys I’ve seen here.
ET, that is so cool. All I did today was watch “My Neighbor Totoro” over and over again. And make soup.
The Totoro thing was our 5yr-old’s idea, but still.
Beautiful, ET!
Um, you got her name and (proto)autograph, right? Could be Alaska’s answer to Mozart you encountered this afternoon.
Sonoma – all I’m saying is that Bob is not here to answer your comments to him …
Sonoma @ 173
since Bob Geiger isnt here, you look pretty silly fussing all by yourself …
So if a kind and respected regular, someone many of you call your friend, gets hurtfully shot down by Jane, nothing is said? Was this past week’s pain for nothing?
Jane, while you were traveling, the members of ths community, your readers, spent many hours this week, with Christy helping, trying to work through what it means to maintain whatever level of civility among ourselves that would allow us to converse openly, frankly, to disagree and challenge at times, but to stay together, to be mutually respectful and open to new comers. It is not easy, and we don’t have complete answers. But one thing that became clear was that we all had to be aware of how our comments (and how they’re phrased) affected others, and to respect that. People here have made signficant efforts trying to make this place a more cohesive community, to keep this community, your community, together.
This is your blog, Jane. You can set the rules, define the tone, and most will follow you. But I ask you to consider the effort that was made by your loyal readers this week, and not throw it away.
I hope this is not my last comment here.
scarecrow
inthedoghouse
Glass 62.79 percent full, with only 6 Democrats (not counting Lieberman) having committed to supporting Lieberman.
oh but ET you may have missed the weirdest I have seen– Ishmael (NOT).
I hope this is not my last comment here.
God knows, scarecrow, I do too.
lotus @ 185
ditto!
angie @ 186
yo tambien
so why’s nobody talking here about the secret senator who killed the bill to make secret no-bid contract information reasonably accessible?
I know, I know – the information might embolden the terrorists.
,
Ed*ard Teller @ 188
Wait a minute, ET – not every lobbyist is a terrorist.
Jane Hamsher @ 102
ouch
looks like the ladies are tougher than the guys around here
I had a good chuckle over the comment in question
you rock Jane
and polite too (that’s a bit beyond my abilities)
pretty soon Jane’s gonna be challenging Markos as HBIC (Head Blogger In Charge)
if that offends any delicate sensibilities, send your hatemail to Bill Mahre
scarecrow, inthedoghouse, are you talking about lisadawn?
We have secret senators? So the public, visible ones are like…rodeo clowns? That explains so much! Thanks ET!
Here’s the story ET’s bringing up – a bill to make a database of federal contracting public and open is being held up by a single anonymous senator placing a “hold” on it.
The episode almost makes the case for the bill, all by itself.
*ilsson 46201 writes: Sonoma- “since Bob Geiger isnt here, you look pretty silly fussing all by yourself …”
Well, *Ilson, Bob jumped into a civil conversation I was having with neurophius. It was polite, all the way around. If you disagree, take it from the top of the thread, and point out to me where I was out of line.
This is the second time within a week where my taking issue with this site’s groupthink has led to my being singled out as a shit-distributer. Maybe even a troll. As JH, or C. Smith can attest, that’s not the case (I’ve been posting here for many a moon).
C. Smith even addressed that tendency in a post of hers just the other day. And for the record, I’m not going anywhere, either. See you around…
OT – Tom Ricks, “Fiasco” is on Tim Russert. Now!
Well, pals, the nice sho’ was nice while it lasted . . .
new thread: “How do you like your 16th Century Monarchy?”
*ilson46201 @
181
Ah, but I *am* here… Don’t have time to come by often, but when someone messes with Siun I jump faster than George W. Bush when Dick Cheney barks.
Haven’t had time to read through all of this but it looks like the gist of what you’re saying is that somewhere I claimed that the number of Senators who have opted to support Lamont is large, encouraging or with some other judgment attached to it.
If that’s true, please quote me back to me!
In that series of reports, I gave the numbers and that’s about it. The truth is, it’s pathetic that there were 16 either out to lunch or overtly *for* Lieberman.
It should have been an instant 43 of 43 (not including Joe) for Ned Lamont.
Bob
Sonoma — look at Siun’s #180 comment and calm down…
Who wants toast?
Sonoma @ 196
Sonoma, I think this is a case where neurophilius made a comment quoting Bob’s piece (that was referred to by charlesf and others), and it appeared that Bob was commenting here himself. No one jumped into your conversation – it was a quote from a piece that was posted elsewhere.
707 to moi!
moi @ 202
Moi!
An’ angie! (But I amuse easy by this time of the evening . . .)
I read Elliots hateful little stain of a piece at HufPo and commented this:
Also nice to see so many comments sticking up for Jane and telling Elliot to stuff it.
Just to put the matter in perspective, Bob Geiger’s blog article addresses the question whether Reid can strip Joe of his committee assignments in the current session, of which there are only a few months left. Geiger’s answer is “no way.”
However, the article does not address the question what happens if Joe wins: does he or does he not lose any and all seniority claims as an “independent” junior senator? This is where we will need to hold Reid’s and the Dems’ feet to the fire in the (unlikely) event Joe wins.
If the Dems think that a victorious Joe will behave like a good Democrat if he caucuses with them, they are in for a rude shock. He will still vote with the GOP on every issue that matters, because he is now in Rove’s pocket. My own feeling is that Joe has made a Faustian bargain with Rove (in return for GOP support), and for all intents and purposes, Karl owns Joe’s soul.
http://bobgeiger.blogspot.com/
cleter @ 113
It seems clear that JLi won’t be made by the Dem higher-ups to publicly crawl over broken glass anytime soon and maybe never. This is irritating to me and many other observers, and I am sure that the Repubs are having a good ol’ laugh about the wussy Dems who won’t jerk Joe’s chain *real* hard, coz they sure would. But how about this: I don’t really envy where that tight top-down ship got them. I don’t see a lot of change can work its way up in a situation like that. So, much as I’d like to see some decisive tossin’-out-of-his-red-toochis, maybe its all about change from the ballot box. And the less hard-line the upper management is, the more likely they are to respond to burbling from the bottom of the heap. Think I’ll go make some phone calls.
lotus and angie,
‘ere
“…what you’re saying is that somewhere I claimed that the number of Senators who have opted to support Lamont is large, encouraging or with some other judgment attached to it”.
No, *ilson, that’s wasn’t it, at all. You suggested I take a hike to another blog.
My question (which still stands) is: 16 democratic senators either support Lieberman, or refuse to endorse the democratic nominee who was fairly elected by Connecticut’s rank and file. What does that tell (anyone) about that party? And why? I consider citing the percentage who do support LaMont as quite simply a way by which to duck the question.
Ed*ard Teller @ 167
I’ve been trying to patch and paint a ceiling, so occasionally peeking at this thread might not be the best way to view it.
Is it just me, or is there something kind of surreal going on?
John Chandley #182:
I made a deeply-EPUed post the other night about groups needing to reaffirm values every once in a while. It was in response to some posts earlier on, but as similar ones have emerged since, it’s kinda sounding like maybe it’s time for that conversation. Not my call, though.
freepatriot #192:
looks like the ladies are tougher than the guys around here
if that offends any delicate sensibilities, send your hatemail to Bill Mahre
Have a nice day.
God, moi, we thought you’d nevah ask! Thanks!
al-Scooter, it’s been sort of edgy around here all week. It’s either the (political) weather or the phase of the moon. People are very jumpy, even about things that are pretty clearly not intended personally.
We all could use time off, with lemonade or iced tea or beer or something. Kick back and unwind.
‘ere PJ Evans and thankee kindly, lotus and moi.
Jeebus, I give up. By the time I write a post, the thread’s long gone, an’ I’m just looking like an idiot. I can’t write well and write fast. Sorry to be O/T so much; back to lurking.
Hypatia, don’t give up– we are still here and you certainly do not “look like an idiot.”
Hypatia — WHOA, stomp right back here! What I was fixing to ask you, I still want to know:
the Dame Sitwell part … please instruct me!
nothing like toast on a Saturday night
I’m taking my wife out to an early* dinner by the water, so maybe things will have cooled down by the time we’re home.
* OK, we’re old, but it’s not-repeat-not an early-bird special. A major reclamation project has reopened the local wetlands to the sea for the first time in over a century, and I’m being taken shorebirding after dinner.
Nothing, moi — n.a.u.t.h.i.n.k. !
Enjoy the birdies and the water and the meal, you young thing you, al- scooter!
Of course, we could all pile in th’ car and follow the al-Scooters . . .
Lotus, before retiring from the fray:
Dame Edith Sitwell (hush, Punaise), http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edith_Sitwell
is the Brit I believe to have said, “I don’t vote. It only encourages them.”
lotus @ 224
My wife’s driving. Good luck!
lotus @ 224
you driving, lotus?
oh my…
HotFlash #209): Since my last post on this thread (211), I’ve read yours.
Though not addressed to me, your take strikes to the heart of my question. It also a point of view I hadn’t put much stock in. Still, perhaps (post LaMont-Lieberman primary results), it’s one I should reconsider.
In fact, I can recall a conversation some months ago I had with Parachutic, in which he essentially made the same case. Still, 16 senators playing ball with Jo Jo does not reflect well on the health of the democratic party. And if the GOP is to be crushed to powder, time is not on the side of the angels.
Yes I am, angie, so don’t bet on Scootsie’s mizriz!
Gotcha, Hypatia, and thanks. Y’ont shotgun?
Damn … I take the dog out and play with his fave girlbeagle while I discuss chemistry blog wars with my neighbor and miss my fave white knight Bob Geiger comin’ in to stop the silliness …
that’ll teach me
cleter @ 187
Me too.
John Chandley @
182
I found lotus’s comments regarding freakdaddy to be disrespectful and censorious in a way that is I do not find appropriate. There have been a lot of folks showing this kind if disrespect this week, hectoring posters as well as other commenters about how they should and shouldn’t speak, what is too much, what goes too far, etc. That is way out of line.
But you’ve got one thing right — it is my blog. And I’m very well aware of what’s going on with it.
Jane,
I hesitate to engage this discussion, but since I’m on record as having spoken out on the topic (short version: I think we should all think of ourselves as deputy moderators in the comments. By this I don’t mean self-censoring… Rather, feedback within the comments that help keep things from spinning out of control.), here goes.
It seems that a lot of us are walking on eggshells lately, trying to find that balance point between pitching in and going with the flow. That blend of passion and civility is part of the essence of FDL, and more often than not, commenters appreciate a polite nudge when called for. It’s the “when called for” that is so elusive. If this is too intrusive or presumptuous as a general approach, I’m all ears.
I trust that lotus was acting in good faith, but maybe with excess zeal.
(btw, ygm from yesterday)
punaise 234 — This site started with colorful language and content that pushed the envelope. I appreciate civility between commenters, and amongst posters, but I have seen way too much finger wagging this week and an attempt to turn this site into a bunch of nuns saying novenas. If folks are uncomfortable with strong language (freakdaddy’s comments were not disparaging of anyone here — scolding him is out of line) this is not the place for them.
I would be very sorry if freakdaddy, or anyone who stopped by thought that they should tone down their language as a result, and as someone who sets the tone of the blog I do think it’s my job to jump in and say so.
fair enough. good distinction.
Jane
Not trying to be argumentative at all, just honestly seeking a clarification.
Somebody tonight–jack jett?–made a comment about Lieberman that some of us thought seemed anti-semitic. We commented on that, and the moderator removed the offensive comment.
Would you rather that we had said nothing?
Again, I am really not trying to be argumentative. It is your blog.
and I should have made the distinction clearer. Thanks you much as always, punaise, for pointing it out.
neurophius — colorful language is a hallmark of this site, anti-semitism is not. As the person who removed the offending comment, I think that is a rather big distinction.
fair enough.
I disagree.
good distinction.
I disagree.
Therefore, it’s time for me to go.
Thank you all and Godspeed.
Goodbye, lotus, and best of luck to you.
oh for crying out loud, lotus, don’t be silly. we’ll leave the light on for you.
Thanks, Jane. I apppreciate that explanation, as well as the way you responded to the situation.
Thank you Jane.
I come here for good debate and engaged thinking and you always deliver – and keep me laughing too.
when I type, I always hold my pinky fingers up in the air. :~)
siun — although I’ll acknowledge that punaise’s “ole 60 grit” is infinitely superior, I don’t know how I’d go on if I thought I couldn’t say “sandpaper snatch” ever again.
*g*
Hiya Jane- great to have your distinctive voice in presence- xxxooo
VG — I’m still aglow from our shared Wolcott moment in CT.
Jane dear … if you quit saying sandpaper snatch, I quit reading!
Now that’s a distinction! lmao with a tear
fwiw – Thought the huff piece was weak. That fellow must want some extra attention or be a concern troll.
Jane Hamsher @ 249
??? I musta missed something!! You aren’t talking about the police escort, complete with flashing lights, that I got to Sullivan’s are you? ;) BTW, the son of my BF in Branford, who I stayed with, now lives in CA. He called her pronto to say that HE HAD SEEN MY PICTURE with JH at FDL! He had no idea of the connection- he just happens to read FDL! So funny.
Am shocked to my soul at the protest in Kennebunkport at the bush summer place. This just NEVER happened when I lived in Maine for the summer that ANYONE would dare even QUESTION the Bush family about anything they did. They took over the “turnpike” with their trail of cars coming and going when Bush 1 was in place and people just looked the other way as it was considered bad form to bother people on their summer vacation. And I have to wonder just how much Cindy Sheehan was involved! Not so much is what I’m thinking as there were real Mainers in this protest – unheard of! One doesn’t call attention to oneself there and when I called my rels in NE they hadn’t heard and were shocked and “appalled”!! WOOO-HOOO!!
Point to note Sonoma Rus (that would be me) IS NOT “Sonoma”
Thanks
So Jilted Joe is touring a sub base and a nuclear power plant… is he casing targets in the event voters turn him out in Nov?
Siun @ 249
Every time I read that phrase, I cringe, and think of poor Ole 60 Grit’s husband…and how finely sanded his, erm, “little soldier” must be hehe.
Angie, thanks muchly.
I’m hoping to meet al-Scooter tomorrow. I think I’ll ask about the birdies, being curious to see how the lagoon is doing now that it’s tial again.
And I’m sorry that Lotus is leaving.
…i know I’m late to this discussion and it might even be over but hilarious Jane…bunch of nuns saying noeveenas! …HAH!! I do think that frequently and I go back and reword comments or ERASE them altogether cause everyone is so nice here…it is why I wait til early early morning to comment as there are not so many people nanny-ing on outrageous comments – look, it is why I come here to get the unvarnished truth from this bunch of worldly intelligent bloggers…
s’all I wanted to say ( and I ain’t erasin’ it)
punaise @ 243
Agreed. Hope you’ll stick around.
John Chandley @ 182
Your thoughts and comments are appreciated, as always. Hope you’ll continue to contribute.
We should all hope that lotus sticks around. Why? Because she’s always bringing links and good dish for us to snack on. She’s full of enthusiasm for the discussion here, the people here. She cares. And I thought that’s what this place was all about: people who care about the state of the nation and what we can do to make it better, to make change happen. Didn’t realize that watching someone like that walk away was a luxury any of us could afford, but apparently it is.
Lately, one of the changes that’s been happening here is time-travel back to junior high, where the cool kids could always band together to make someone’s life miserable.
That’s pretty sad, in my opinion.
What Anne said….
Oh, Lotus, pls come back, I miss you. Lotsa people been real edgy around here and we’re not supposed to say *idol, but ‘ere. And I though you were within your rights to say. So there.
Party on!
They had a disagreement. I see both points. Jane and lotus had a choice and lotus might change her mind. I miss her already.
VG 252 — yeah Wolcott linked our picture up. It was good.
Jane- oh my!!! I didn’t know that- my blog reading was nil during the CT times! If you have a link that would be great. Otherwise, I will go search Wolcott. I def. want that one for my scrapbook!
Geez, go on vacation and come back to civil war?
Lotus, dear, if you dish it out, be prepared to take it. I didn’t find freakdaddy’s comment or Jane’s offensive; freakdaddy apologized nicely (as did you) and, well, this is Jane’s place.
‘ere. It’s no big.
Jane- Oh wow- I just found it!!! Thanks.
http://jameswolcott.com/archiv…..g_smog.php
~~P.S. Then again, maybe the cable newsers have a point. Because when you peer at the faces of certain liberal bloggers and see the anger and hate contorting their features, you can understand why Pat Caddell’s beard grew a second skunk stripe virtually overnight, and why Lanny Davis is now wearing a beard and checking into hotels under false names, for fear he’ll get de-pantsed at the ice machine by blog vigilantes.~~
And wasn’t it great that I was wearing my Lamont sticker???!!!!
Mommybrain – I’ve been meaning to tell you … the lovely soap you gave me at YKOS has a special spot in my “too many business trips” suitcase – the scent is so wonderful that, instead of using it, I keep it there and it makes me smile each time I unpack in a new odd hotel. Thank you!
Siun, thank you so much for that. Glad I can help ease the travel blues for you. I keep a few in my dresser, wrapped in paper towel or a scarf. One macho male friend secretly keeps a pine-scented on in his truck!
VG, now I have another sweet face to go with the comments.
VG 258 — I thought you’d seen it, I’d dropped the link in before. Pretty hot, huh?
mommybrain — Ditto Siun, that soap was AWESOME. Made my skin so soft.
Jane Hamsher @ 271
Jane- it was wonderful!!! As I said, my blog reading was nil during CT, and for a while after, and I just couldn’t go back and catch up. If my BF (best friend) hadn’t alerted me via the phone call from her son, I never would have seen the post with the CTBob photo! The whole episode now has a firm place in my “best of times” memories. And, how I got a police escort to Sullivan’s flashing lights and all, is part of the story. xxxooo
aside from a severe lack of bush kangaroos in that list, i also want to echo the idea that bob geiger is a great writer and fastidious blogger, and often very much at the forefront of a breaking trend reportage.
make sure that geiger is your second blog stop for the day (three guesses as to my recommendation for your first).
.
.
What urban pirate said at 6:47, squared.
Lotus, I don’t know if you’ll see this — being several time zones away means I’m often reading an abandoned thread!
We’ve never had the pleasure of meeting, but I can tell you that some of your comments kick around in my head long after they’ve been written.
One that has stayed with me was when lo had joined the community (and I do hope that she’s still around here) and you responded to someone who wasn’t being particularly gracious, that we should keep in mind that not all people have the time to read as much as we do and might be exposed to different sources, and we should keep that in mind when in engaging in a discussion with them.
That reminded me of my sister, with twin babies and a hyper-active toddler, who has a husband that often has Fox news playing in the background. I always keep that in mind when she says something off the wall that I know she must have heard on Fox or CNN.
My sister’s (and even her husband’s) views are not so different from my own. They just don’t have the time to be able to explore beyond traditional sources of media and somehow fell under the spell of cable news!
It used to make me crazy, knowing that she was listening to such ignorant views, but over time I’ve learned to give subtle, gentle challenges to what she’s heard and I know that approach has been very effective.
Your comment was right on the mark and was good advice to keep in mind when someone comes to a discussion with a different viewpoint.
It sounds corny, but nothing is more important in life than caring about how we talk to each other.
The above story doesn’t have anything to do with the discussion here, but I just wanted you to know that I enjoy your comments so much.
Sorry this is so long. I’ve never been able to be short and pithy like you!
Ah! Scary funny clown!
Oh, yeah, and cute picture, too.
Excellent post! Went and told Mr. Elliot he needs to be a bit better informed when writing political pieces. Thanks for keeping them honest. Makes me proud!
1,255 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Lotus:
Please do not go…as one who has been hit a couple a times by snark or even righteous indignation, I plead with you to please stay on the field of play. We need you…ney, I NEED YOU!!
Whatever has transpired here, please tell me what it is that has offended and I will go to the mat for you. Again, do not leave, your intelligence and experience is essential to the health of this community…
KEEP THE FAITH AND REMEMBER EVEN YOUR FREINDS CAN MAKE MISTAKES!!!
Lotus, I hope you are still monitoring this thread. I have been thinking a lot about the balance of civility/tone with the trademark edginess that has made FDL the phenomenon that it is. I hope you don’t run yourself out of here because you happen to be the one who got smacked in the ass by the pendulum as everyone calibrates to retain FDL comments’ unique flavor without devolving into Eschatonism.
I have valued your contributions here, so I hope you can step back for a second and try to listen impersonally to what Jane is saying. Seems to me that Jane’s purpose in maintaining this site is to effect political change in our country. Her life background is the business side of showbiz – so she has used her unique gifts and experience to create a crowd-pleasing site, thus enhancing the power and reach of FDL in the service of our mutual political objectives. With her eye always on the main prize, she has to constantly navigate the rapids in maintaining and growing FDL’s audience. If the “regular” commenters are too preachy or bland, that turns the audience off. If comments get too nasty, that’s another turnoff. If racist/ sexist/ homophobic/ whatever comments are tolerated without challenge, that opens FDL to attack from its political enemies, and also turns the audience off. That is a very fine line to have to tread day in and day out with hundreds of autonomous commenters.
I, too, have had my feelings hurt by what I perceived as smackdowns from Jane Hamsher (your smackdown does take the cake, I won’t minimize that). In hindsight I can see that I attach much more weight to the chief enchilada’s good opinion than I would to any Tom, Dick or Harry commenter. Part of FDL’s success is that it has attracted such a congenial and thoughtful commentariat. But in the end, FDL is a political tool, not an ice cream social. I am willing to put up with the occasional jerk on the reins if that’s what it takes to best advance our political objectives. It’s not about you, its about the health and vitality of FDL.
That’s just my $0.02; the opinions expressed herein are not necessarily those of management. If I were Jane, in fact, I would smack me upside the head for presuming to interpret her when she has already expressed herself. Hopefully, she won’t see it on a dead thread, but I will duck just in case. Hope you come back to the threads, lotus blossom.
Great comment op99.
John Casper @
281
I’ll second that.
punaise @ 282
Me three.
You guys are teh super bestest!
You get it, period.
Many, many thanks from way deep down …
And now off to Futonia ….
Op99, madame you are spot-on.
I concur and also ask LisaDawn and John Chandley(scarecrow) to come back.
dearest gang:
not sure what i said that upset everyone. can’t find the post, and i don’t remember. i apologize. as i am jewish, not practicing, i know i had no sort of anti sementic intent. i don’t like lieberman. i think israel overreacted to lebanon. i have a twisted sense of humor.
some might say natural born killers was a twisted film. however, i remember having several conversations where i defended the movie and that it should not be censored in anyway.
if you look at the comments made after my deleted post, there were some fairly judgemental calls made.
i am not sure what comments i am defending myself from, but i do sincerely apologize if i hurt anyones feelings.
to jane, i say, keep making great movies.
to the rest of you, keep blogging and
be happy.
jack e. jett