I was having a chat with DeanFan84 today and he commented that the return of Joe Lieberman to DC after having been pounded by the voters of CT in the Democratic primary was not going to be a warm and fuzzy moment. Joe is notoriously thin-skinned, and how is he going to be greeted? DeanFan84 and I saw CT Attorney General Richard Blumental flee the scene of the AFL-CIO picnic six weeks ago to avoid being seen with Joe (who was only 5 minutes away). The incumbency protection racket notwithstanding, politicians are politicians and Joe is publicly toxic. How is he going to feel when people openly shun him? People who are taking their cues from Hillary Clinton and her senior advisor, Howard Wolfson:
Gerstein touted Lieberman as an experienced lawmaker who is willing to put politics aside to get things accomplished. He went on to question the alliance between Lamont and Clinton, who, like Lieberman, voted to authorize the war.
"So, we’ll be curious to see whether Ned Lamont attacks Hillary Clinton’s record the way he has distorted Joe Lieberman’s," Gerstein said. "We suspect he won’t, which just goes to show that so much of what he is doing is political opportunism and not principle."
Clinton and Lamont’s campaigns both fired back at Lieberman’s campaign for characterizing them as using playbook tactics.
"Better than reading from the Bush-Cheney talking points," Wolfson said, in a dig at Lieberman’s perceived closeness with top Republicans on the war.
"We don’t apologize for being proud Democrats," Wolfson said.
Oh lordy. Lieberman is gonna need a fist full o’benzos to see this one through to the end.
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Mr. Ned Lamont !
Good. I am tired of waiting for the behind-the-scenes stroking of Lieberman’s ego. Take off the gloves, make fun of him, make him out to be just like his BF The Emperor with No Clothes.
I like Wolfson already – smack Gerstein down quickly and often.
Happy BDay *ilson!!
and I’m hoping that Joe’s thin skin get’s a serious case of road rash as he gets kicked to the curb.
Just us chickens here on a on a Saturday night? Dr. T is sleeping again. So here I am.
Happy birthday *ilson!
I can’t tell you how badly I want Lieberman to lose. I’d be happy if I never heard from him again.
Jane, sorry to go ot so soon, but I don’t want this to get lost, this is one of the most important stories in the historty of elections and it’s getting missed
on the previous thread there’s a conversation going on concerning the repulicans actually voiding election results and appointing the republcian who lost
please take a look, we need this one publicized, we need a roots movement
when the Democratic Senators presented two resolutions to end the War on Iraq, who did the Republicans pick to lead off the fight against the Democrats? It wasn’t Senator Clinton — it was Gerstein’s Senator Joe Lieberman who kicked off the fight against the Democrats!
Geez- I hope that the CT voters realize that Lieberman and Gerstein are treating them as fools, and are getting totally fed up. From what I gathered, people in CT haven’t forgotten Joe’s run as VP and Senator at the same time. If anyone still wants to vote for Lieberman, I’d like to know why. Seems like the only lines he’s got going are based on attacks on Lamont, and wilfull distortion of his own record. Does L actually have any positive talking points?
“Clinton and Lamont’s campaigns both fired back at Lieberman’s campaign for characterizing them as using playbook tactics.”
Is this supposed to intimidate Rove?
With each passing day, Joe has eliminated any justification for running as a 3rd party candidate.
Now that he’s openly pondering possibily backing a timeline for withdrawal and called himself a non-combatant in reference to the three Democratic Congressional candidates, he offers nothing that distinguishes himself from other candidates. He doesn’t have the force of incumbency and seniority to help the party to which he claims he’s a petitioning member. And he no longer can claim he’s a steady voice on Iraq, fighting the supposed “anti-security” wing of the Democratic Party.
Joe is flip-flopping all around, trying desperately to hold onto power. It’s a sad spectacle and he’s doing himself a disservice by not allowing the patina, however false, of him as a statesman exist now that the voters have rejected him.
Too bad Commander Thin Skin came with a thick skull.
me to me says:
August 26th, 2006 at 6:46 pm
My understanding is it’s only for the rest of the year, not a full term: the general election in Nov will decide who has the seat in the next Congress. Not the end of the world, okay?
I’ve had a tiring BDay … our neighborhood had a Festival of Lanterns in my park … I was the official photographer … I had to do lots of running around … zillions of fotos with kids and dogs … its a nicely diverse innercity middle-class neighborhood with many out GLBT folk … yes, the musical stage even included some drag performers!
A nice day, all in all …
I thought of a good song for Lieberman:
“My Guy”, by Mary Wells, to be sung as he looks adoringly at Bush.
Joe Lieberman is an embarrassment to himself. He’s sort of like the aging rock star or over the hill boxer that doesn’t know when it’s time to quit. To bad Joe, you coulda left with class. As it is, now it’s just familiarity breeds contempt. And absence will not make the heart grow fonder. You’re just going to end up a bitter old man. It’s time for outta sight, out of mind.
ah, happy b’day, *ilson!
Maybe timing is everything. As we get closer to Labor Day, and the end of the summer so to speak, perhaps the Democrats will get morre aggressive going after Joe.
I have to wonder if some are getting a whoot of him making a fool of himself. Personally I would like to see them send him packing with a full suitcase, and not a carry on.
Rob Zuber @ 6
Likewise, man. Why can’t people like Lieberdumbass just hang up the knee-pads, get some high paying corporate gig, leave the rest of us alone, and live happily ever after? Never understand this…Is he just so addicted to the “power”?? Such huge ego he can’t stand not being in the news??? Does he really feel he’s the best person to deliver for the people of CT?? Jumpin’ Joe, Please give it up…you’ve done all you’re gonna do…just move on, the people of CT have, and so can you!
me to me @
7
Indeed! what if they try to pull one of these in CT!
Happy BDay *ilson. And, thanks for all the work you do at FDL. Your presence is a present!
Do ya suppose Chris Dodd has yet been able to speak with RGJoe, after the Liebermans wouldn’t answer their hotel room door to him on Primary Night? There’ll certainly be some awkward Democratic Senate cloakroom moments. Somehow I’m afraid my Two Lady Senators will kiss up and make nice to their loyal friend RGJoe.
Grrrrr.
C’mon, somebody’s gotta show Democrats the way to treat RGJoe! Who’s it gonna be? Are we going to be treated to an autumn of Wolfson&Danger-stein surrogacy? Some Senate Dem needs to stand up on his or her hind legs and call for RGJoe to GO!
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Happy Birthday *ilson. Enjoy your senior citizen discounts. I have a few years to go before I am eligible for most of them, but I do have my AARP card…
joe l. cannot give up.
it’s going to be a horrid spectacle because he will be screaming and kicking all the way down the chute.
i can’t really watch.
it’s like seeing a puppy wander onto the highway.
Happy 30th *ilson!
i don’t understand all this excitement about lamont using howard wolfson. Isn’t he Carter eskew’s partner ? Don’t they work for Rupert Murdoch ? Don’t they also work for Verizon and the anti net neut crowd ? Shouldn’t Lamont stay away from firms like Glover Park Group where Wolfson and Eskew are partners ?
fartsinsleep @ 23
I’ll take front row seats.
*ilson are you going to post a birthday boy photo?
Holy Joe left his first wife, when his two children were pre-teenagers. Yet he has totally justified doing so.
HopeSpringsATurtle @
4
Hey there, HopeSprings. Just want to let you know that I think about you and Dr. Turtle pretty often. I hope our country survives all that’s going on now, but the big picture is too big. I really can only wrap my mind around your fly guy, and the kids my son went to school with, and my neighbor’s brother-in-law, and hope with all my heart that it ends soon.
Or at least, ends.
Happy #-Day, *ilson -
and thanks for gracing fdl with your wit and work…..
interesting that this ‘crankydem’ entity who has never posted here before pops up out of nowhere to start cutting down Lamont? Peculiar, indeed …
crankydem @
26
I think it’s significant that those who define themselves as “centrists” are now souring on Lieberman. It makes it just that much harder to call this a “purge” by angry leftists.
I notice Gerstein isn’t using that one so much these days. Hmmmm.
And Wolfson works for Hillary Clinton, not Lamont.
crankydem @
26
… and Joe Lockhart.
I’m not sure how “silo”-ed these consulting firms are, but I sure wouldn’t want any Lamont strategy being discussed in the Calvert Group boardroom, since Lockhart (non net neut) and Eskew (RGJoe’s bear ad) are partners with Wolfson. On their website, Wolfson’s listed as their “New York” guy, so maybe they don’t all meet.
On the other hand, NED’s made millions swimming with the cable sharks, so I gotta go with his business instincts on this relationship with HillDog. And for politics, Swanny I trust absolutely.
shooogarp @
25
30th? 30th!! *ilson’s been around since the Gunpowder Plot! (and dare I say it, he was probably a revolutionary back then too hehe)
Happy Bday *ilson :)
*ilson46201,
Just adding my best wishes on your birthday and thanks for your dedication and work on this site. It is appreciated.
I put off joining the AARP for years and I was upset at their support of that awful GOP Pill Bill. I changed my mind when the wingers put out that attack ad on the AARP (falsely) accusing them of opposing the War on Iraq and of supporting gay marriage. Hey! That sounds like my kind of group! So I joined…
OT/ Anyone ever been a poll worker? I just got my assignment for primary day and it says I will be Republican Inspector. Now if this means I am there to keep an eye on any potential republicans (all 5 of them in harlem), ok. But I am a little worried they have me assigned the wrong job. shouldn’t I be a Democrat Inspector?
Jane Hamsher @ 33
Unfortunately, the NYT is still enamored of the centrist label for RGJoe:
from:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08…..ref=slogin
hippo birdies, Mr. *!
kos made mention of a good Katrina timeline at Thinkprogress which runs through August 8 of this year. So no mention of the selfless leader having to cut back on his vacation in Texas and moving it to Maine . . . and there are some that think that Bush doesn’t make sacrifices for the rest of us.
http://www.thinkprogress.org/katrina-timeline
I would so not have been a part of that Gunpowder Plot — they were a bunch of ultra-Papist reactionaries who hated Parliament and even King James I for being insufficiently Catholic. They were going to put James daughter Elizabeth on the throne who would be a real Catholic monarch and put down those damn heretical Protestants.
With minor corrections and no apologies,
UptownNYChick — finding sufficient GOP in Harlem to staff a polling place might be a tad difficult, ya know? Just make sure nobody steals the election at your polling place and all will be fine!
HBday, *ilson46201!
Cheering *ilson on his b-day!
a little pitty love for you sir!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkQWCnMM0fM
*ilson46201 @ 43
Ok, I feel a little funny being called a republican anything, but I will try my best.
And Happy Birthday!
*ilson,
joyeux anniversaire, happy birthday!
UptownNYChick
I don’t know about NY, but where I live the county election office has to hire X number of people for each precinct, and the Republicans and the Democrats are each allowed to nominate their share of the workers. But they often have trouble finding people who can spend the whole long day on the job and are willing to do so for low wages. When that happens, they will take anyone they can get. Maybe the Republicans didn’t provide enough names for that precinct and the election office just needs to fill the “Republican” slots with whomever is willing. It doesn’t mean you are supposed to act in a partisan manner, just make sure that the rules are followed by everybody.
*ilson you are so much more concise than I am.
Don’t know if mommybrain has checked in today, but if not I offer in her stead to *ilson:
Hippo birdies two ewe
Hippo birdies two ewe
Hippo birdies dear *ilson,
Hippo birdies two ewe!
Hope it was a great one.
Happy Birthday *ilson!
neurophius @ 48
thanks, I guess I will wear my pearls that day.
“thanks, I guess I will wear my pearls that day.”
ROFL. Be sure to clutch them if anything nasty happens.
John Campanelli @
11
Kinda brings to mind a fish hauled into a boat flopping around trying to get back into the water but not succeeding.
Pitbabies do smile nicely, dont they, Siun … Thanks!
UptownNYChick @ 37
I don’t know specifically what it means in NY, but here’s my 2 cents. Learn your voting rules, have a copy of the applicable rules with you, and/or have the cell phone number of your county chair and/or their counsel.
When someone comes in to vote and the officials start giving them a hard time, be prepared to politely point to the rules. Also, don’t hesitate to offer advice to a voter who is turned away. I had people driving like moonbats to the right precinct at 7:30 on election night 2004 because provisional ballots don’t count if you’re in the wrong precinct, in Iowa.
Don’t hesitate to challenge something stinky going on in the polling place, and if you can, get names and contact info on people who are turned away. You might be able to check where they are supposed to be, call them, and get them voting.
Or, in the words of a lawyer I knew decades ago: If it feels wrong it probably is. My words: so go for it.
Teddy 39 –
Yeah it’s bs, but now we can add “…and being run out of town on a rail by his fellow (*cough*) ‘centrists.’”
Hoisted on their own petards, so to speak.
(OT — anyone know what a “petard” is?)
*ilson … our pitboy smiles and cuddles and makes me happy but goodness, he did not like poodles!
you had to ask about petards, didnt you?
Jane
hoisted on their own petards:
“to be harmed by one’s own plan to harm someone else” or “to fall in one’s own trap”.’
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petard
Jane Hamsher @ 57
Yeah it’s bs, but now we can add “…and being run out of town on a rail by his fellow (*cough*) ‘centrists.’”
Hoisted on their own petards, so to speak.
(OT — anyone know what a “petard” is?)
Lots of possibilities, choose any one of them (from the wiki):
somebody today described pitbabies as being other-dog-aggressive …
Petard – just for Jane:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petard
The word remains in modern usage in the phrase to be hoisted by one’s own petard, which means “to be harmed by one’s own plan to harm someone else” or “to fall in one’s own trap”. Shakespeare coined the now proverbial phrase in Hamlet.
In the following passage, the “letters” refer to instructions (written by his uncle Claudius, the King) to be carried sealed to the King of England, by Hamlet, Rosencrantz, and Guildenstern, the latter being two schoolfellows of Hamlet. The letters, as Hamlet suspects, contain a death warrant against Hamlet, who will later open and modify them to instead request the execution of Rosencrantz and Guildenstern. Engineer refers to a military engineer.
There’s letters seal’d: and my two schoolfellows,
Whom I will trust as I will adders fang’d,
They bear the mandate; they must sweep my way
And marshal me to knavery. Let it work;
For ’tis the sport to have the engineer
Hoist with his own petar: and ‘t shall go hard
But I will delve one yard below their mines
And blow them at the moon: O, ’tis most sweet,
When in one line two crafts directly meet.
After modifying the letters Hamlet (rather improbably) escapes the ship and returns to Denmark.
The verb “hoist” is an irregular past tense of the obsolete verb “hoise”, meaning “raise” or “lift”. The same form is used in “burn” and “burnt”.
The phrase is usually misquoted as “see the engineer hoist by his own petard” and is taken to mean “the hangman hanged with his own rope”, or, as in Roadrunner cartoons, a rope, put out to catch something, entangles and hangs the one who set the trap, while the audience “sees” (watches) in amusement.
Hamlet’s actual meaning is “cause the bomb maker to be blown into the air with his own bomb”, metaphorically turning the tables on Claudius, whose messengers are killed instead of Hamlet.
so appropropriate for Joe L!
next question, anybody?
1. Sheriff, Happy Birthday!
2. has there been any studies on the breakdown of “who” voted for Lieberman in the Primary? Did he draw heavily from specific groups?
Ghostman
*ilson46201 – Many, many happy returns!!! Sounds like you had a lovely Bday
Per Lieberman – I think his campaign knows he went too far last week campaigning with Republican incumbents and dissing the Dem candidates – petulantly referring to their endorsements of Lamont as the reason for his non-support.
Like I said, Lieberman did what he did (probably against the advice of friends and people on his campaign staff) and said what he said – and he ain’t going to be able to take it back.
It’s conventional wisdom that he would stop what he’s doing if Hadassah thought he should stop. My question is, if you love someone, do you let them self-destruct like this?
gee, folk do type fast in here, dont they!
*ilson – Omar adores the other dogs in our building who he has known all his life but an unknown male brings out the macho in him.
other dog agressive makes sense to me … and it makes pit ownership a definite responsibility … but it’s also such a pleasure
(typed as Omar lies snuggled against me)
*ilson46201 @ 67
copy and paste are our friends.
It is easy to conjure how the current
“square dance” the Dems are experiencing with
Joe “I WONT GO” L-Man if he had won the Dem
primary and Ned had followed up with the sore
loser line “I WONT LET THIS STAND” JOE LOST did
to him. JOE would have launched into some kind
of swoon over how Dems need to stand together
and Ned must accept his defeat and stand with
JOE L-MAN and Dems need to “HEAL THE OPEN
WOUNDS” and pull together in CT for HOLY JOES
return to his birthright SENATE SEAT OF POWER.
It is easy to imagine the performance JOE
would have mounted as the “GRACIOUS WINNER” of
the CT DEM PRIMARY. Well…he lost. Already it
has become very hard to read about him or see
his image spun in the media. Surely the DEMS
will soon prepare to close in on TRAITOR JOE
and mount an all out repel and cut loose level
of action against him. He has shown his true
colors. Time for the DEM PARTY to run up the
party flag and close ranks for battle.
Susan in Iowa @ 56
Many happy returns of the day, *ilson!
VIRGOS RULE.
*ilson46201 @
14
revdeb –
I like that one.
Jane Hamsher @ 73
I like that one.
But will he get it past the TSA folk at the airport?
Whatever he has been before, how can anyone claim
’stay the course’ for Iraq,
‘when you’re conscious, call a cab” for rape victims, and
‘we don’t really need you to respond to our Katrina info requests Mr. President – doncha wish you could kiss me?’
are “centrist” these days?
Joe is a self-centrist.
Joseph “I put the ‘I’ in ‘I’” Lieberman
We can only hope that after November 7, being called a “centrist Democrat” will be considered the political kiss of death.
And may I suggest a Connecticut for Lieberman (also known as the Can’t Face Losing) Party float, represented by a Joe Lieberman tied in knots…companions to that float would be fliers that say, “Have you seen this man? He used to look like this (photo of Joe), but now he looks like this (Joe in knots), as he tries to sell himself as all things to people of all political parties. If found, do NOT return to Washington, D.C.; please send, postage due, to Richard B. Cheney.”
“My seat! Me! Me! Me!”
UptownNYChick @ 72
Speaking of the Gunpowder Plot –
On the Saturday before the 1988 Election, I was at my sister’s place in NYC, after going to Boston and DC for the Dukakis campaign. On WBAI, there was a long piece on Shakespeare hanging out with the Gunpowder Plot conspirators. They made a big deal of how dangerous this was for Shakespeare, made doubly so by his crypto Catholicism. Macbeth, as a play about witches and an illegitimate Scottish king, could easily have led to being drawn and quartered on the scaffold.
Some years ago, Salon had a piece on the theory that Christopher Marlowe was the author of the Shakespeare plays. That possibility made the other story make sense.
Marlowe had tutored James as a child, and was supposedly stabbed to death in a safe house for Elizabeth’s spies. His ‘death’ ended the hunt for him by the Church’s agents. Shortly after, a new Shakespeare play was produced, in a style similar to Marlowe’s.
What if Marlowe was Shakespeare, and befriended the plotters as a secret agent for the king? That alone would have earned enough gratitude to get away with Macbeth.
VG, 19:
Well, just in case, the Lamont team should keep reminding the voters about Joe’s piggish behavior in 2000. What I do not understand is how Gore let him get away with it. I would have said “S**t or get off the pot, Joe.”
-ck-
Did the Gunpowder Plot involve any hoisting from petards?
neurophius @ 77
Nice!!
Hugh @ 41
Hugh – it is a devastating timeline which needs to be emphasized over and over again. It’s especially powerful as a visual – between Bush doing fundraising and birthday parties, Cheney going to a Padres game and Condasleeza going shoe shopping – while a whole portion of the country was drowning and dying.
The fact that there were resources close by and available that could have made a significant difference – but were not authorized to help – is just stunning. But again, it’s the same admin that wanted to charge US citizens for their evacuation from Lebanon.
What a heartbreaking illustration of the “let them eat cake” philosophy of BushCo.
Why get a pit bull? So dangerous.
-ck- – I haven’t heard that particular theory, which does make sense. And, there is the always air of mystery around Christopher Marlowe.
And yet, I have so much trouble entertaining the different theories about how Shakespeare wasn’t Shakespeare. Marlowe’s work has a different taste, and I can’t move past my unwillingness to tamper with Mr. S.
where’s sharkbabe? all these petards clearly call for a V for Vendetta comment!
hi beautifuls. Boy did I have an interesting offline day.
Out, out damned Joe!
neurophius –
Petard hoisting would have merciful, compared to the punishment given to traitors.
TeddySanFran @
22
Dangerstein, tha’t fucking brilliant Teddy!
Lyndon Johnson did the same thing in 1960. I don’t think JFK could have gotten away with saying “S**t or get off the pot, Lyndon.”
The difference may have been that in 1960 Texas had a Democratic governor who presumably appointed a Democrat to replace LBJ in the Senate (anybody know who?) whereas if I am not mistaken, in 2000 Connecticut had a Republican governor who could have appointed a Repug to replace Joe in the Senate? (please correct me if I am wrong).
Susan in Iowa @ 80
…I just hope there is this much enthusiasm to get Pombo out of California…he’s a never ending plague of locusts…
Poodles are excited. They get to meet Swopa.
Margot way up thread was suggesting a Joe theme song. Last night we were on a Sound of Music thing. Last part of a song that was not in the movie, but was in the original Broadway production:
The other one that comes to mind from How to Succeed in Business Without Really trying:
” Believe in You” (he sings while looking in the mirror in the executive washroom— in this case Joe sings while gazing at himself in the mirror in the Senate clubhouse)
Siun @
89
Sharkbabe @
90
Quelle coincidence, I’m watching V as we speak! Sharkbabe, I told my boy that you love V as much as I do, and he has drawn a V “movie” for you.
“We don’t apologize for being proud Democrats,” [Wolfson said].
Well and boldly spoken, Wolfster.
Trouble is- unlike John Edwards- H. Clinton has yet to apologize for being wrong about Iraq.
If Hillary wants to rock the world, she will accuse the Bushites of having Big Lied this nation into unleashing war. She will trump Edwards, and everyone else, with that accusation. All it’d take is a simple (ha-ha) bit of truth telling.
It might even make her president. I’d vote for her if she did.
Short of that, there’s damn little difference between her and the herd that were buffaloed into supporting the great tragedy.
Oh yeah, and be indirect, because they’re not supposed to get any goodies from any of the peasants.
UptownNYChick
When I was a poll worker, most of the others were elderly men and women who had done it in the same precinct election year after election year. They all knew each other and they all brought their favorite “treat” to share. Thkey were interesting to talk to during the slow periods. Don’t know if it’s the same where you are.
astralplame –
I’m agnostic about Shakespeare —
As far as someone other than William Shakespere, the Globe Theatre Actor, being the author, Marlowe seems a good fit.
But I’m also open to there being more than one author of plays — part of the ‘Marlowe staged his death’ theory involves his moving to Italy, which would have given him the basis for the Italian plays.
Salon article –Mystery Man — a free read!
“Petard” is also the French word for “firecracker”.
Lieberman…full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
Just now from Reuters.
Soldiers’ families question Rumsfeld on deployment
The meeting was closed to the press. I wonder why?
Just on the local news, after a report on the burial of a soldier from brooklyn, they said a marine from Connecticut was killed in Iraq. Damn it.
Was at my cousin’s art gallery yesterday. They have a map with blue ribbons showing where the killed soldiers have come from. It’s overwhelming to see that map.
The woman I can’t have – well we have each other all night over over V.
OT before I read the whole thread –
Here in Minnesota in the Governor’s race we have Mike Hatch against Pawlenty. Just heard on our local station that there is a third party candidate (Hutchinson???) and he is getting over 5% in the polls so will be in the debates. Now, I cannot verify that, but it was on T.V. You all KNOW how trustworthy the toobz are, right?
Anyhoo, the guy said that this could be another Jesse Ventura. (Oh lordy, save us) He then went on to say that he also could decide who wins — Pawlenty or Mike Hatch. Ummm, wonder who is funding this guy. But I would be looking for Tim Penney to be behind him pushing and shoving as usual. I used to like him but no longer. He is a Joe Lieberman in a better body. Tim Penney, not this unknown Hutchinson guy. Will try to find out more if I do not get lost in Googleland.
Double, double
Joe’s in trouble
On Hillary…
“Hillary has developed a unique response where she says if she knew then what she knows now, there never would have been a vote. The administration wouldn’t have come before the Congress asking for a war resolution knowing there were no weapons of mass destruction and no ties to Al Qaeda.”
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/10204239/site/newsweek/
*xyz – *ilson is much more of an expert than I but why pitbull?
well, when we moved to Chicago and to a very dog-friendly (in fact, landlady almost requires dog ownership) apt, my daughter was selecting a puppy and was very disturbed by the number of pitbulls who are abused, forced to fight, and killed. Pits, properly raised and trained, are the sweetest, most loving of critters – and used to be the most popular family breed. They have definite fighting tendencies (were bred originally to fight) but are very loving and lovely companions and funny as all get out.
Our guy is now 1 year and a pleasure – and lovely with the dogs he knows – never agressive, in fact in our little pack of 2 corgis(m & f), 1 mini beagle (f) and 1 great pyr (m), he is the most submissive of the lot and they all love playing with him – hell, the little lady beagle loves to wrestle him to the ground and bite his neck! Now, as he gets older, he is developing some issues with other dogs – but we don’t let him out randomly or take him into dog social situations – and we adore him.
ps – most reports of pitbull bites, etc are poorly researched and when shown a set of photos of “pit” type dogs, most folks cannot identify the actual pitbull … hence many of the dreadful reports are faulty – if a dog is agressive, must be a pit these days in the CM, it used to be “must be a dobie.” And pits have one of the best records for scores on temperament tests of any breed.
http://www.pitbullawareness.com/Act Pages/Pitbull Facts.htm
oops … got carried away!
My favorite quote from V:
The Dems have perhaps a week to come to the realization that if Joe wins and takes down the 3 Dem House candidates, this may ruin the Dems’ chances of taking the House in November. It will be that close and that crucial.
In a deeply ironic way, the fulcrum of the CT election is shifting away from Lamont vs. Lieberman to the 3 House seats. If calling the Bush administration to accountability is the ultimate goal, the Dems have to recapture the House. And Joe Lieberman has thrown a huge monkey wrench in that hope.
The Democratic power brokers have to get their collective head out of their collective ass and do something about Joe. If they don’t win in 2006, they may also miss 2008. The time for fence sitting is over.
UptownNYChick @
72
VG – egregious left you a message at 801pm last thread
Hugh – you do know the Emma Goldstein quote that influenced that?
“If I can’t dance, I don’t want to be part of your revolution!”
Emma being one of my favorite political thinkers (and she would have taken a whip to Joe L – she did not abide centrists at all!)
Etymology: Middle French, from peter, to break wind, from pet expulsion of intestinal gas, from Latin peditum, from neuter of peditus, past participle of pedere, to break wind; akin to Greek bdein to break wind. (Merriam-Webster)
I’ve heard “hoist on one’s own petard” defined as “standing downwind from one’s own fart.”
-ck- I will need to look into that, will check out the Salon piece.
RevDeb – here are some Lieberman lyrics for you – My Funny Valentine
My funny senator
Sad comic senator
You make me cringe in my heart
Your votes are laughable
Undemographable
Yet you say we will not part
Is your logic less than greek
Is your mouth a little weak
When you open it to speak
Are you smart?
You won’t change a hair for me
Not like you care for me
Sad little Senator Stay
You’ve had your senator’s day
Is your logic less than greek
Is your mouth a little weak
When you open it to speak
Are you smart?
You won’t change a hair for me
Not like you care for me
Sad little Senator Stay
You’ve had your senator’s day
astralplame @ 117
Well done!
off for a bit to watch a movie with my daughter (and pitbull! ) It’s not often she’s home and inviting mom to hang out.
See you all at late night later!
why do i ignore preview? because it’s so free and simple and beautiful?
Eureka Springs
Our polling place serves a town of fewer than 400 people, plus outlying farms. But we got into some fights that paralled larger cities. The election will have to be fought one vote at a time IMHO. It’s the sum of all the parts we have our hands in that will tilt the election one way or the other.
Jane Hamsher @ 97
What’d you do, tell them I smell like pumpkin loaf?
Hippo birdies, *ilson!!!
The gay blade, and moderation man of mystery!!!
It’s Joe. Have a little Joe.
Is he really bats now that he has to go?
No, it seems that rats like to spit and to blow
And he’s pretty slow.
ember- thanks much for the headsup- I will go check. Much appreciated.
neurophius @ 94
In 1960 LBJ ran for VP and Sen. from Texas. He won in both races. The then governor of Texas was Price Daniel, a Dem, and he appointed a Dem, named Blakley to replace Johnson. So the LBJ situation is not comparable to the Lieberman situation in 2000. LBJ was an infinitely smarter pol than Joe.
Kind of cute seeing these two comments consecutively:
*ilson46201 @
14
Margot @
15
Prompts a vision of HoJo bumping and grinding to
in a way that Ms. What’s-her-name, the stylist who used to choreograph the Motown acts, never would have ‘lowed.
Many happy returns, *ilson, sounds like it was fun.
Today at a festival in my hometown, I met Tom Mahoney (DEM) who is running in District 16 in Florida against Mark Floey (REP) and Emmie Ross (I). I got to follow him and his campaigners from afar and when the time was right, I got to talk to him a bit and even took some pics. A cowboy with an 100 acre ranch. But the funny thing is that he is from Jesery and only recently became a Democrat (six months??). I’m sure he is a good candidate but my REPUB DAR was straight up. Even his staffers came across as un-dems. He said we have to win seats. When I asked him his thoughts about impeachment he said he didn’t even want to go there. He then seemed very uncomfortable. I asked him if he was listed on Act Blue and he said yes. He mentioned his 100 acre ranch as though he
lived there. Yet I beleive he actually lives at the PGA National in Palm Beach Gardens. I also met Adam Nashban, his manager. The other contender is Emmie Rose, who was shot at while returning from a women’s conference on Hutchinson Island in St. Lucie. Emmie says “No weapon formed against me shall prosper in dirty politics.” And David Lutrin, an elementary school physical education teacher, a self described ” angry citizen and a dedicated father who refuses to stand by and watch our great country be stolen.” According to his website, he recently dropped out saying on his website “To those of you who are familiar with the history and circumstances surrounding the Democratic race in District 16, the extra-curricular activities designed to manipulate the outcome, and influence my decision to vacate the race, only inspired and motivated me to forge on longer than I probably should have.”
Anyhow, the point of the story is that due to Florida Law, I can vote for any of these guys in the primary and I am stumped…
From http://www.lwvpbc.org/primary2006.pdf
Universal Primary Contests
The Florida Constitution provides that if all candidates have the same party affiliation and the winner will have no opposition in the general election, all qualified voters, regardless of party affiliation, may vote in the primary election for that office.
“..so much of what he is doing is political opportunism and not principle.”
Gerstein is describing his lieber man to a tee.
We should always interpret the rantings of the DINOS and rethugs as them talking about no one but themselves. When we do this, we see that IT ALL MAKES SENSE!
karen allen @ 29
Um, I’m not saying where I heard this, but living in the area and knowing people who know him, I hear this is the real dirt story on Joe, that divorce. Apparently, it is a real example of the type of person he is which is to say not too nice.
Yet, I wouldn’t have a clue as to how to pursue it nor the time. Maybe some others do. Just sayin’…
Never knew all this detail, but here’s your petard definition, Ms Hamsher:
1. an explosive device formerly used in warfare to blow in a door or gate, form a breach in a wall, etc.
2. a kind of firecracker.
3. (initial capital letter) Also called Flying Dustbin. a British spigot mortar of World War II that fired a 40-pound (18 kg) finned bomb, designed to destroy pillboxes and other concrete obstacles.
—Idiom
4. hoist by or with one’s own petard, hurt, ruined, or destroyed by the very device or plot one had intended for another.
[Origin: 1590–1600; < MF, equiv. to pet(er) to break wind (deriv. of pet < L pēditum a breaking wind, orig. neut. of ptp. of pēdere to break wind) -ard -ard]</p>
Hi there. I keep asking the same question in every thread, I REALLY want to know when the next round of polls on the CT Senate race will be.
Could someone – anyone? – answer me?
Thanks.
I don’t know, phoebes – you might ask upstairs at the new thread. Maybe it is not known right yet?
phoebes @ 132
The people most likely to know are at MyDD. They’re the ones doing the heavy lifting in poll tracking. I’d mosey on over there and ask if I were you. MyDD link
RevDeb @
136
Thanks, Deb and astralplame. I will mosey on over to DD!
A coomment I saw on this site a few days ago (which made me bust out laughing), made me think to take a look at Joe’s website (Joe2006).
I just had some fun over at there. Joe’s got a “Get involved” tab. I clicked on it and found a comments segment. After giving them my correct info (no, I don’t give a rat’s Ass), I asked:
“Why don’t you get out or Re-Register as the Repug you’ve become?”
dab from CT @
67
Have wondered about this myself, but cw to the contrary notwithstanding, you can’t always save someone from themselves. And, maybe his boys, who tend to be a punitive lot, won’t let him.
Sharon W @132: Who might know the story of the first Mrs. Droopy Joe? I wonder what she would have to say about him.
phoebes @ 134
Phoebes, I appreciate your frustration, having seen you repeat your request today, but please don’t think we are keeping this info from you. Clearly, this is a research project begging for some effort. Perhaps you’d like to undertake asking Rasmussen, Quinnipiac, and any other pollsters when they plan to poll CT again, and when you find out, share it with us?
Your request isn’t falling on deaf ears, dear, I’m sure someone would have answered if we knew!
Sharkbabe, how was your day interesting?
karen allen @ 140
I’d heard somewhere the grounds for divorce were irreconcilable religious differences, something about her being insufficiently devout. Insufferable, as always, RGJoe is!
karen allen @ 140
You can find her name on the net. I did. However, the people that have something to say, didn’t want to say anything out of fear of…I’ll leave it to your imagination. I can’t say anything more.
*ilson46201 @
60
in French it means firecracker; also slang for joint (the herbal variety)
In terms of Joe’s 1st wife:
Lieberman met his first wife, Betty Haas, at the congressional office of Senator Abraham Ribicoff (D-Conn), where they worked as summer student interns. They married in 1965 while Joe Lieberman was in law school. They had two children – Matt and Rebecca. Betty, who is also Jewish, later worked as a psychiatric social worker. In 1981, the couple divorced. During an interview with New York Magazine, when asked about the divorce, Lieberman said, “one of the differences we had was in levels of religious observance,” he says. “But I’m convinced if that was the only difference, we wouldn’t have gotten divorced.”[5] In 1982, he met his second wife, Hadassah Freilich Tucker while he was running for attorney general of Connecticut. Hadassah Lieberman is the child of a Holocaust survivor. According to Washington Jewish Week, Lieberman called her for a date because he thought it would be interesting to go out with someone named Hadassah. (Hadassah, which is Hebrew for Esther, the heroine of the Jewish holiday of Purim, is also the name of the Women’s Zionist Organization of America).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Lieberman
Sonoma 100: I remember back a few years, can’t say when, Hillary was being interviewed om someones program (anderson Cooper maybe) and here they are talking about Bush’s War and she says something like: Well we all knew in the Senate going in that he (bush) would have an agenda, something personal he wanted to get done, everybody does you know, and with Bush it was the Iraq thing, getting back at Saddaam for his threats against his father and basically everyone was okay with that to a point, we’d let him have a go at Sadaam…
Obviously this is not verbatim but it is what I took away from her little speech and it came as a result of the interviewer asking why she had voted for this war….anyone remember this?
I was personally repelled by it and thought she was probably telling the truth here – for once.
Wow, the Lamont and the Democrats are already seeing benefits from Wolfson signing on to the Lamont team. And I am not surprised.
As I posted earlier, it did surprise me the degree to which Hillary Clinton has agreed to help Lamont out. She is not known for being a risk taker yet she has taken on a good deal of risk here, after all should Lamont lose her political opponents will use this as an attack against her. Lamont obviously make a very good impression with her.
What awaits Liarberman in DC:
POLITICAL > WEDGIE WEDGIE WEDGIE
I wonder how HoJo is gonna get that spindle of underwear out of his butt crack???
Visegrips
They seem too solve almost every mechanical problem in life.
I’ve had it.
Let’s chat, Joe…
Pluto’s no longer a planet. Lieberman’s no longer a “combatant.” What does it portend, oh what might it mean in the world according to bush?
Pluto was a respected, well known planetary staple for all those educated prior to its recent demotion. Wasn’t it always so cute in its diminutive condition? I mean, who didn’t like Pluto! It was the baby of the family for heaven’s sake…the “junior” of the group. Sure, it wasn’t a dramatic Saturn with its willowy rings; nor was it a monolithic Jupiter, the big one you’d never mess with. All I can think in my attempt to understand this is that a fundamental truth emerges from within Pluto’s demise: Indeed, size DOES matter after all.
So, Joe…what in the planetary system are you doing here? One day you’re a Democrat, one day you’re a whole party! Then you wish to caucus with Democrats – but you “campaign,” yes, CAMPAIGN (ya, Jane, that one’s for you!) with Republicans! And what’s THIS about…Glory be do my eyes deceive me? The Hawk is changing course? Your lust for war has been satiated? Oh, I know, it’s just a small thing, a concession “if you will” (I like to talk like Cheney sometimes and I KNOW it appeals to you.) You simply want a timetable…like your Republican colleague..I forget his name…oh, right, Christopher Shays. I LOVE when political expediency reigns and oh Joe, I know you love it too! Who among us can’t love an opportunist? Especially when it comes to life and death matters? Why, look at your donors – beneficiaries of the war machine! Of course you love opportunity – who wouldn’t given your coffers they’ve stuffed.
But Joe – you’re kinda walkin’ a fine line now, aren’t ya? You just might be construed as a “flip-flopper” and we KNOW how politically incorrect THAT is. Just ask your old ex-buddy Kerry.
Hey, Senator Kerry! I’m gonna give YOU a couple of points for your politics around your comments re your ex-Democratic senator buddy. Not enough, however, to get MY vote again but for now, nice job! I am a liberal and I like to give credit where it’s due.
Now, back to you, Joe…Being so “in touch” with your consituents as you claim to be, surely you must have noticed that Ned’s got the momentum? Come on, you KNOW it! You INVENTED it! Just like your “new” friends like to say that President Gore “invented the internet!” NED’S GOT THE MOMENTUM….but WORSE for you, Joe, NED’S GOT THE BUCKS NOW!!!
Use all your senses, Senator…take a look at what your constituents, the majority that is, are saying, and doing…and when you do, you’ll see that the tides have turned against you. Forget about the reasons, Joe, you were never really a detail man. It is what it is. The people of Connecticut, YOUR state, Senator Lieberman, spoke to you on August 8th. So far, you’re still unable to hear what they said. Let me try to rephrase it in a way that I think you might understand.
We, the People of Connecticut, registered DEMOCRATS, whom you have sworn to serve, have given you a message. The message was clear. You can’t hear it right now because you’re still in shock that you are about to lose the power you’ve coveted for the past 18 years.
Power isn’t lasting, Senator, unless you use it properly, with respect and that that respect applies to others you encounter while the Power is in your hands. Senator, you have ABUSED your power and you have done so at the people of Connecticut’s expense. You have betrayed the principles of the party you claim allegience to.
We’ve got some dead people here in CT, Joe, really, really dead…and they have families whose grief and pain can never be explained to anyone unless you’ve experienced it yourself. Your decisions, Joe, have caused those beautiful people to be dead and those families their eternally gaping wounds. Things like that are NEVER forgotten, Senator, trust me. I lost a child not through war but in love. I get their pain. But I don’t get how they reconcile their loss based on known lies. My heart bleeds for them.
And when we take it a step beyond, and look at your un-WAVERING support for that war’s continuance, speaking for myself, I’d love to grab you by the shoulders and shake you, screaming in your face, why, why, why did you let this happen?
Do the right thing, Joe. Some say you’re a “religious” man. “Thou shalt not kill” seems like a pretty universal spiritual and moral concept, doesn’t it, Joe? Get in touch with your conscience. Look back on your career. And ask yourself one question…What role have you played since 2000, when you covered your bases in the senate even then, how many of those lives are you responsible for and what, for mercy sakes are you prepared to tell the God you believe in? Far be it for me to presume to be able to judge any one else’s conscience but oh wow, if it were mine? I’d be pretty tied up in THAT psychological quaqmire, that’s for certain.
I have voted you the responsibility of speaking and standing up for the values I believed in. You did that for a time. That time was over in 2000…but in 2002, when you had the dignity and grace to drop out of the race, I applauded you. You had the integrity then, Senator, but you’re mixed in with a whole different crowd now, Rovian folk. I beg you: remember your roots.
At this moment, you are on a precipice. A crossroads. Make the right decision, Senator Lieberman. Bow out of the race now while you can with that same dignity and grace you displayed in 2002. Do it, Joe. Your positive legacy will remain in tact. For the most part. The clock is ticking, Joe. Time is on your side this moment but that is about to change depending upon what you do at this crossroad.
I’d love to meet you, Senator, and have a cup of coffee with you. I know you’re the one of the two of us who knows the diner scene so I’ll leave the logistics to you. You name the diner and the time and I would be so delighted to share some coffee and some kibbutzing with you.
But, back to Pluto where I think I must have been living these past 6 years as my eyes and ears couldn’t believe what I’ve been seeing devolve. I guess my questions all boil down to this: is if a planet is no longer called a planet, does it still make a sound?
It’s time, Senator. It’s time.
Thank for reminding us of the farty origins of “petard”.
Which brings to mind that story of Bush campaigning for Gov in the Valley (RG). His slogan was Conjuntos Podemos but he was saying Conjuntos Pedemos. I speak no Spanish, so I apoligize for the spelling. The slogan was supposed to mean Together We Can, but he was saying Together We Fart. It was supposedly a mistake by Mr Fluent Spanish Uniternotdivider. As bad as his Spanish is, I think the temptation to make yet another fart joke was too much for Dubya.
So you remember the other day, Jane posted an email from a DCCC staffer about how Lieberman is good for Connecticut Democrats? The poor guy had to write back and retract it:
Ok, sure.
Well, here comes Boss Rahm in Sunday’s New York Times saying the same thing:
Would someone please explain to this man that there are not two Democrats running? Jane?
….which anectdode reminds me of one of the few gay jokes I can remember. What’s the difference between a gay man and a refrigerator? A refrigerator doesn’t fart when you take your meat out.
Do you think we can get The Kiss float outfitted with a Conjuntos Pedemos sign for a nice little inside joke?
I remain leery of Hillary’s gift of Wolfson to Ned, but you know, she is who she is and can only traffick in what she knows.
It’s like if Al Swearengen wants to show hospitality to a potential business associate, he does what he knows and offers up one of his employees gratis for the night.
The businessman, if accidentally virtuous but shrewd, will accept the offer but stake out opposite corners of the bedroom for unmolested shut-eye.
So may it be with Ned and Wolfson. Who knows: maybe Howard’s good for some sparkling, even enlightening, conversation. But deeper communion could prove unsanitary.
New graphics love for Lamont at shotgunfreude…