Frist? Surely not.

Last summer dinner here tonight. Corn, heirloom tomatoes (basil and onion on top), raspberries, peaches all bought at the Union Square Green Market.

Going away next week, and won’t see the local summer food when I get back. But the pears and the apples should be in…..

As Michael Pollan likes to say, “Vote with your fork.” Eat local.

Nice Summertime, Pach.

Poodles and I had an amazing summer, courtesy of RGJoe, who could not have done much more to contribute to his own defeat had he tried. We met extra cool people along the way and got to host the blogger farmhouse in CT where I regularly walked out of my room in the morning to find the BBC guys taping me in my PJs, Siun smoked cigarettes on the porch and Matt Stoller threw the chew toy endlessly for the poodles.

Good times.

Pachacutec!

Sorry Pach,
You get no sympathy from me and furthermore Mets fans are latecomers to the party. Been a Cubs fan since 1960, when I was old enough to understand the game. Savoring small successes? I know all about that.

As for the summer’s great moments??? Without doubt August 8 in Meriden CT. at around 12:30 IIRC. Actually, the whole night there was one to savor and remember. Hoping for a replay on Nov. 7.

Mets!!!!!

We know what winning is like because we know what losing is like.

A Tigers/Mets series would be sweet.
Of course I only wish the Mets well until the beginning of that series.

Steve, I was hoping you’d find your way over, my brother!

Oh and RevDeb and Selise were at the blogger farmhouse too. So were DeanFan84, CTKeith and TRex at various times.

Anyone else? Can’t think at the moment…

OT – belowthread

Apparently lately people are confusing me with Mary Matlin.

Only one of us claims to be Queen of Scootland.

BTW – is anyone here surprised to discover that Donald Rumsfeld isn’t Santa Claus?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14533814/

steve gilliard @ 6

Mets!!!!!

We know what winning is like because we know what losing is like.

Cubs!

We know what losing is like . . . as for winning? still waiting. BUT loyal just the same.

Jane, Poolboy apparently wants attention again. Take a look. Guess what? Dems are divided again.

Jane Hamsher @ 9

Oh and RevDeb and Selise were at the blogger farmhouse too. So were DeanFan84, CTKeith and TRex at various times.

Anyone else? Can’t think at the moment…

and a good time was had by ALL.

Thanks for your hospitality Jane!

Democracy is coming…to the USA

Nice post Pachacutec

As a Red Sox fan, I am in no way biased, when I say, you nailed how Yankee fans really are. =]

Any day the Yankees lose is a good day
^_-
(btw – being able to re-edit posts is a blessing – thanks Jamie)

Mack 16 — yes Jamie does rock. I think we have the easiest, most functional commenting system I know of now.

erm
and the Republicans are one big happy (value-laden) family?
NOT
Pachacutec @ 12

Jane, Poolboy apparently wants attention again. Take a look. Guess what? Dems are divided again.

Breaking — it’s Armitage!!!! Isikoff:

In the early morning of Oct. 1, 2003, Secretary of State Colin Powell received an urgent phone call from his No. 2 at the State Department. Richard Armitage was clearly agitated. As recounted in a new book, “Hubris: The Inside Story of Spin, Scandal, and the Selling of the Iraq War,” Armitage had been at home reading the newspaper and had come across a column by journalist Robert Novak. Months earlier, Novak had caused a huge stir when he revealed that Valerie Plame, wife of Iraq-war critic Joseph Wilson, was a CIA officer. Ever since, Washington had been trying to find out who leaked the information to Novak. The columnist himself had kept quiet. But now, in a second column, Novak provided a tantalizing clue: his primary source, he wrote, was a “senior administration official” who was “not a partisan gunslinger.” Armitage was shaken. After reading the column, he knew immediately who the leaker was. On the phone with Powell that morning, Armitage was “in deep distress,” says a source directly familiar with the conversation who asked not to be identified because of legal sensitivities. “I’m sure he’s talking about me.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14…../newsweek/

I don’t know if this will go down as a great summer in my memory, but it hasn’t been a bad one.

In the midwest, it has been the hottest I can remember since 1980, but I haven’t had to spend a lot of time outside.

I got to attend Yearly Kos, which was a wonderful experience, as well as attending a family reunion and seeing some of my relatives whom I had not seen in perhaps 20 years.

I have spent most of my time working on my master’s thesis, which requires two hours of commuting a day to spend several hours in a library reading microfilms. It’s pretty dull at times. The good part is that I am making progress and expect to finish it this fall. When I am done, I think I will look back on that as a good experience, as well.

OT
My new favorite podcast is
LSAT Logic in Everyday Life | The Princeton Review
The Lieberman analysis, while now out-of-date, was spot on (in a dispassionate logical manner)

Pach, my husband lived in New York the year the Mets won the series. He called it the miracle year, Mets won and we landed on the moon. (I think that is what he said.)

Anyway, good to have some reason to smile. Thanks for your story and the music.

Pach -

As a dedicated fan of the ‘86 Houston Astros, please understand that the memory of the hated ‘86 Mets is anything but an invitation to restfully savor the well remembered good times.

Two sides to every coin I suppose.

That’s a great “Summertime” though… (rueful grin)

PS, he still hates the Yankies.

Mets? Who are they? A baseball team?

I thought the Minnesota Twins were the only thing that mattered. (Thrilling 8-7 extra-inning win tonite over the White Sox !)

I disagree with Geiger. Lieberman could be stripped of his seniority. It is just that there is so little time left in this Congress that it is unlikely in the extreme that this will happen.

An amendment to change the seniority rankings can be attached to any resolution or I suppose could be incorporated into its own resolution. Contrary to Geiger, the Republicans would probably not interfere in what is to all intents and purposes a Democratic internal decision for the very reason that they would not want the Democrats to do the same thing to them at some point in the future.

All this is hypothetical, of course, and will remain so. The Democrats have been during the Bush years even less disciplined than they usually are. For this reason, they will not make an exception or an example of Joe. They will let nature take its course and let the clock run out on him.

Something just makes me have to say International Sweethearts of Rhythm.

Son of Liberty: we could not face Mike Scott in game 7. We just. could. not.

He was totally scuffing the ball, though. We had him in ‘82 and he was shyte until he figured out how to cheat.

It was an awesome game, purely from a baseball dramatic aesthetics point of view, if you were not a ‘Stros fan.

cosmo@25
i fully expected the AL Central to go down to the wire (and still do)
I just didn’t think Cleveland would be so out-of-it

God (the real one, not Bush’s one) is a Mets fan.

Pach,

Thanks for posting that video. That’s Chicago jazz guitarist George Barnes on the right taking the lead, and left-handed rhythm player Wayne Wright on second guitar, and I’m pretty sure that is John Giuffrida on string bass.

Braff and Barnes have both passed away in recent years. Somewhere I have one of the rare old 10-inch LP’s with Barnes doing the Clarinet Polka on guitar.

Thanks, cosmo. Braff I know about, and a couple of his disks are among my favorites. The other guys are unfamiliar to me.

EPU’d from previous thread:

Anne @ 79

And may I suggest a Connecticut for Lieberman (also known as the Can’t Face Losing) Party float, represented by a Joe Lieberman tied in knots…

Haven’t those uncollegial types among us made enough sport of that poor, downtrodden bipartisan…After all, Mr. Joe’s wrangled.

Let us clutch our pearls and intone,”We must think of the chilled wrens…We must.”

;>)

Before the All Star break (as Gilliard can attest), I pointed out it’s a long season, and the Mets could easily fade. They obviously haven’t, and will win the East going away.

But since the divisions split into 3, and the wild card was introduced, the long haul won-loss record of a team has correspondingly diminished in significance. It’s a much different game than it was even 15 years ago. Nowadays, it’s who gets hot, and when.

So the profound and pithy, “We know what winning is like because we know what losing is like”, needs take a back seat to that stark fact. Unless, of course, you consider anything less than winning the Series as victory.

As mediocre as the Giants have been all season, they’re still within striking distance of winning their division. I have to wonder just how you preening, crowing Mets fans would feel, if San Francisco were to knock your team out in October? Not so hot, am I right?

For the record, I’ve got a soft spot in my heart for the Mets. Although a kid, I well remember ‘69, and it WAS fucking Amazing. Go Giants…

Hugh @
26

I disagree with Geiger. Lieberman could be stripped of his seniority. It is just that there is so little time left in this Congress that it is unlikely in the extreme that this will happen.

An amendment to change the seniority rankings can be attached to any resolution or I suppose could be incorporated into its own resolution. Contrary to Geiger, the Republicans would probably not interfere in what is to all intents and purposes a Democratic internal decision for the very reason that they would not want the Democrats to do the same thing to them at some point in the future.

All this is hypothetical, of course, and will remain so. The Democrats have been during the Bush years even less disciplined than they usually are. For this reason, they will not make an exception or an example of Joe. They will let nature take its course and let the clock run out on him.

Thanks, Hugh. There is an unchecked streak of extreme contrarianism in this particular argument that has lost sight of what you so clearly outline.

darkblack @ 33

After all, Mr. Joe’s wrangled.

Brilliant as usual, darkblack. And always appreciated — thanks!!

Jane Hamsher @
3

Nice Summertime, Pach.

[]We met extra cool people along the way and got to host the blogger farmhouse in CT where I regularly walked out of my room in the morning to find the BBC guys taping me in my PJs []

Good times.

Oh Jane!!! I hope you were wearing those poodle PJs! And geez, that guy James is intense, innt he? Will… so different!

White Sox!!!

Last year was so cool — the Cubs are cuddly and beloved losers; when the White Sox lose, they are just losers.

Go Tigers!!! Go Mets!!! Go Underdog Democrats!!!

Anyway, as Jane points out, Joe is on the ropes.

Mebbe so, but a savvy fighter will always be wary of an opponent on the ropes…remember Ali and his rope-a-dope. Many a fight has been won in the last round by a fighter on the ropes. So while it is good news, we shouldn’t take it to the bank until November 8 (or whatever election day is).

Best to act as if Lamont was going to get a sound trouncing from Joe. This is how the Republicans do it, and they have been winning.

Thing to remember is that Republicans have no qualms about stealing elections. And having stolen two presidencies, they have it down to a science. A senate seat by comparison is a piece of cake for them.

Or, maybe we should just use another metaphor. Let’s just say it is going to be horserace with a close finish.

One thing I will say about going to see the Mets (though you have to admit that Shea is a dump and it smells really, really bad there) is there is no freaking Rudy Gulliani trying to get his ugly face on the TeeVee.

Shea is a dump. No argument there.

1. i agree with orangejumper. Never Underestimate Your Enemy. A rule that has done well for me over the years.

2. My Baseball Summer isn’t so good. My Rangers are starting to fizzle. But:

3. Cowboys Training Camp is underway! We beat the 49ers tonight, always a joy, even in preseason.

Ghostman

Watch your language, Pach! Shouldn’t you be saying “Shea is less than optimal as a sporting venue”? ;) ;)

Though in defense of the Yankees (or their fans at least). I was there the night they booed Cheney so bad they had to take his face off the jumbotron for fear of a riot. I was proud to be a NYer that night.

Although I haven’t been there, I think the word “dump” conveys a lot of meaning.

Had corn on a stick today – delicious, and that vendor doesn’t usually come on Saturdays!

let’s just leave it at that.

Pachacutec @ 41

Shea is a dump. No argument there.

And Yankee Stadium is no Taj Mahal.

Quit your whining and try being a Detroit Lions football fan. Been a fan since age 5. That’s 38 years of crap football. You don’t know what pain is.

Pachacutec @ 41

Shea is a dump. No argument there.

I remember it being that way in the late ’70’s. And it seemed like every 2 minutes there was a low hanging plane flying overhead on the landing approach to LGA. Very distracting.

Pach,

If you want to hear some smoking traditional jazz, check out this YouTube video of Ken Peplowski on clarinet at the Bern Jazz Festival.
Frank Vignola on guitar. Yikes…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..search=New Orleans

And while I’m on the subject, Lieberman sucks.

orangejumpsuit @ 47

Pachacutec @ 41

Shea is a dump. No argument there.

And Yankee Stadium is no Taj Mahal.

Yeah, but it doesn’t have that rotten egg smell and 747s dipping into the outfield.

Why, thank you, Medaka.

The pond reflecting
a coming stone’s arrival
absorbs and unlearns

;>)

The planes don’t bother me. They fly over the National Tennis Center, too. Shea was a dump five minutes after they built it. It was a dark era for stadium architecture.

I do miss baseball, as was. Beautiful game when I knew it before. Players relied on skill, intelligence, hard work, talent… not steroids. The guys looked like ordinary guys, in contrast to FB or Basketball players. Elegant game. Great radio from Vin Scully and Jerry Doggett. Sigh.

cosmo: cool, thanks!

“Lieberman could be stripped of his seniority”.

Not with 16 senators having either endorsed Jo Jo outright, or having refused to endorse the candidate of Connecticut’s rank and file.

chow #19

In the early morning of Oct. 1, 2003, Secretary of State Colin Powell received an urgent phone call from his No. 2 at the State Department. Richard Armitage was clearly agitated. As recounted in a new book, “Hubris: The Inside Story of Spin, Scandal, and the Selling of the Iraq War,” Armitage had been at home reading the newspaper and had come across a column by journalist Robert Novak. Months earlier, Novak had caused a huge stir when he revealed that Valerie Plame, wife of Iraq-war critic Joseph Wilson, was a CIA officer. Ever since, Washington had been trying to find out who leaked the information to Novak. The columnist himself had kept quiet. But now, in a second column, Novak provided a tantalizing clue: his primary source, he wrote, was a “senior administration official” who was “not a partisan gunslinger.” Armitage was shaken. After reading the column, he knew immediately who the leaker was. On the phone with Powell that morning, Armitage was “in deep distress,” says a source directly familiar with the conversation who asked not to be identified because of legal sensitivities. “I’m sure he’s talking about me.”

Now there are only two ways someone would know this. Either they were sitting across the breakfast table from Armitage or they were listening in on the Secretary of State’s telphone conversations.

Parenthetically, I hate these Woodwardian psychobabble narratives that act like they can read other people’s minds and intentions. Armitage’s telephone is described as “urgent” and that he was “clearly agitated” and “shaken”. How does Isikoff or his source really know that? I mean did Armitage say, “Sh*t, Colin, I’m f*cked” or something? And even if Armitage did say, “I’m sure he’s talking about me,” where’s the really interesting part, like what was Powell’s response? Did they discuss what Armitage was to do? It would seem a pretty natural thing to do. So why doesn’t Isikoff tell us? He seems to know everything else.

“Players relied on skill, intelligence, hard work, talent…”

They still do, Valley Girl.

Valley Girl @
54

I do miss baseball, as was. Beautiful game when I knew it before. Players relied on skill, intelligence, hard work, talent… not steroids. The guys looked like ordinary guys, in contrast to FB or Basketball players. Elegant game. Great radio from Vin Scully and Jerry Doggett. Sigh.

Me too. I remember the days when there were 8 teams in each of 2 leagues. The “first division” was made up of the top 4 in each league. There were no playoffs, just the world series. Wrigley was (and is) the Cathedral of baseball and all of the games there were played in the day time on real grass. They played double headers with some regularity. Jack Brickhouse was the announcer for the Cubs. A gentleman.

The last 2 years, I have pretty much abandoned the game altogether. Odd thing is, I preach a baseball sermon every year and this year I haven’t even looked in the sports section of the papers to check the standings. I guess I’ve been too busy doing other things. . . . like spending my time here and doing other political stuff :-)

well past late night in these parts.

g’night all and savor these last days of summer!

Pach sez: Hot, steamy, late August, summertime.

I say: Chilly, foggy, late August, summertime!

Next weekend’s the Third Annual Bear Fair, where Teddy gets to feel petite around the really, really big hairy men who arrive from all over the world to party hearty in EssEff. Can’t wait, it’s a great way to end the summer….

Then, the nine-week race to Election Day, when we take it all back from the oligarchs!

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Had Enough?
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darkblack @ 52

Why, thank you, Medaka.

The pond reflecting
a coming stone’s arrival
absorbs and unlearns

;>)

Nice! ‘Zat yours, db?

g’nite rev!

Valley Girl @
37

Jane Hamsher @
3

Nice Summertime, Pach.

[]We met extra cool people along the way and got to host the blogger farmhouse in CT where I regularly walked out of my room in the morning to find the BBC guys taping me in my PJs []

Good times.

Oh Jane!!! I hope you were wearing those poodle PJs! And geez, that guy James is intense, innt he? Will… so different!

I was, and I am wearing them as I sit here typing.

They are my favorite pj’s ever.

Hugh 57 — I read that the source is Powell. Or maybe Mrs. Powell.

TeddySanFran @ 61

Pach sez: Hot, steamy, late August, summertime.

I say: Chilly, foggy, late August, summertime!

Next weekend’s the Third Annual Bear Fair, where Teddy gets to feel petite around the really, really big hairy men who arrive from all over the world to party hearty in EssEff. Can’t wait, it’s a great way to end the summer….

Then, the nine-week race to Election Day, when we take it all back from the oligarchs!

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Had Enough?
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Teddy, enlighten a poor girl … Bears? I found the BSOF website but am still in the dark.

Oops, shoulda been BOSF.

UptownNYChick @ 44

Though in defense of the Yankees (or their fans at least). I was there the night they booed Cheney so bad they had to take his face off the jumbotron for fear of a riot. I was proud to be a NYer that night.

well, we can’t compete with booing Cheney, but last year, our govinator, Ahnold, was badly booed at the Angels game when his face hit the jumbotron… and this in Republo-land, Orange County, CA! it was a very quick cutaway also… (then the cheering started)

HI-larious!

medaka @ 62

Yes…A little bash at Basho in the night. The missing kigo betrays my western roots, however.

Jane!!! Those PJs really were a find, no? Trust me, I have been looking for others in my usual venues online and offline, but have not seen anything to compare! I am certainly most interested to see the outcome of the James/ Will BBC documentary. Please let me/ us know when you have further information on that.

Hugh…you are a smart cookie. Critical thinking is fairly non-existant these days in the US unless sought out. I believe that public education has systematically decreased and virtually removed critical thought as any part of current curriculum.

They are my favorite pj’s ever.

We are the PajamaHadeem ;)

As a Yankee fan, I was willing to overlook what you said, till you wrote:

Bob Geiger has some great stuff to help us all focus our efforts more positively as we push back against destructive concern trolls like Lieberman.

Yea, right another Liebershill. The only thing he got right was the Parlimentary rules. Aside from that, I read him as another apologist for Joe, taking a what at Jane and others who are fighting Lieberloser. Didn’t Jane already shoot down this article and this Lieberman surrogate:

http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..#more-4183

Careerist LieberLiar Dan Gerstein is struggling from a serious credibility problem these days. So when somebody needed to make the absurd contention that Lieberman’s visit to the Groton sub base with Republicans Rob Simmons and Jodi Rell did not constitute a campaign appearance, how helpful that a surrogate appeared — someone quite unfamiiar with the contours of the race (or obviously with politics in general) who would bridle with self-righteous indignation that such a stop could conceivably be called “campaigning.”

No, the Clown in Jane’s picture was not Bob Geiger, but it might as well have been.

No Bob, the fact that Joe and Shays met together was not a campaign event, No Bob, the fact that Chris Dodd skipped this lovefest meant nothing. Or as I said in the comments at the Huffington Post:

Yea, right and I’ve got some Bush Credibility for sale or is that Lieberman’s credibility? I really can’t distinguish anymore.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..2#comments

Bears are the big, friendly, hairy (sometimes stoned) members of the gay community. Flannel shirts, workboots, overalls, beer and bellies.

UptownNYChick @
40

One thing I will say about going to see the Mets (though you have to admit that Shea is a dump and it smells really, really bad there) is there is no freaking Rudy Gulliani trying to get his ugly face on the TeeVee.

I will admit that we Yankee fans do have several burdens to bear, like the one you just indicated.

very nice post, Pach. the performance is sincerely sweet (not the over-used saweeeeet!); reminiscent of Chet Baker’s trumpet and vocal version of My Funny Valentine.

Is your figure less than Greek
Is your mouth a little weak
When you open it to speak
Stay, funny valentine
Each day is Valentine’s Day

of course, just to demonstrate the versatily of Summertime, there is also this brilliant version by punk/reggae/hip-hop (?) band Sublime, sadly defunct.

TeddySanFran @ 74

Bears are the big, friendly, hairy (sometimes stoned) members of the gay community. Flannel shirts, workboots, overalls, beer and bellies.

And beards..or facial hair often, at least in my Eagle days…

punaise says:

“of course, just to demonstrate the versatily of Summertime, there is also this brilliant version by punk/reggae/hip-hop (?) band Sublime, sadly defunct.”

I think “sadly defunct” would make a good political epitath for Joe Lieberman.

HopeSpringsATurtle @ 77

TeddySanFran @ 74

Bears are the big, friendly, hairy (sometimes stoned) members of the gay community. Flannel shirts, workboots, overalls, beer and bellies.

And beards..or facial hair often, at least in my Eagle days…

Yup! Hi, Madame Turtle, is that Doc o’yours still sleepin?

epitaph?

TeddySanFran @ 74

Bears are the big, friendly, hairy (sometimes stoned) members of the gay community. Flannel shirts, workboots, overalls, beer and bellies.

So, sorta Oh, I’m a lumberjack and I’m okay territory?

of course, just to demonstrate the versatily of Summertime, there is also this brilliant version by punk/reggae/hip-hop (?) band Sublime, sadly defunct.

I knew Bradley or to say I had worked with him a couple of times. Nice guy. He is missed.

TeddySanFran @ 79

HopeSpringsATurtle @ 77

TeddySanFran @ 74

Bears are the big, friendly, hairy (sometimes stoned) members of the gay community. Flannel shirts, workboots, overalls, beer and bellies.

And beards..or facial hair often, at least in my Eagle days…

Yup! Hi, Madame Turtle, is that Doc o’yours still sleepin?

Yeah, hi, Hope! Haven’t seen you here for quite a while. You still visiting Dr. Turtle?

Newsweek is (finally) saying Armitage is Novak’s original source.

So why isn’t Armitage being prosecuted?

OT- Punaise- has J gotten touch with you re: MV?

darkblack @ 69

medaka @ 62

Yes…A little bash at Basho in the night. The missing kigo betrays my western roots, however.

Hey that’s good! I rarely have good thoughts about haiku in English, as our language has such stong iambs and anapests (I’m partial to John Ashbery, meself), but that is a wonderfully sharp image-package you put together there db.

longtime SF Giants fan, since the late 1960s. for better, for worse, usually in between. great memories of listening to games on the transistor radio, “late” at night on the back porch. (It must be tough for east coast kids to follow night games on the west coast). after losing something like 16 of 19 games earlier, they’re clawing their way back into contention in the mediocre NL West. This is their last hurrah: time for Bonds to ride off into the sunset.

Pacbell Park, er SBC Park, err, AT&T Park is a wonderful place to take in a game. views of the Bay Bridge, the East Bay hills, an occasional moonrise at dusk.

The Giants are blessed with a team of great radio announcers.

Frank Probst @ 84

Newsweek is (finally) saying Armitage is Novak’s original source.

So, according to the MSNBC excerpt cited above, Armitage didn’t realize he was Novak’s source; he just sorta accidentally outed her. Is that in any way a plausible argument? Seems not to me, since he would certainly have known the rules for who could and couldn’t be given the info. I can’t figure out how he could have not realized he was a source when the original column came out. Hmm.

Chet Baker
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..mp;search=

cosmo @ 31

Pach,

Thanks for posting that video. That’s Chicago jazz guitarist George Barnes on the right taking the lead, and left-handed rhythm player Wayne Wright on second guitar, and I’m pretty sure that is John Giuffrida on string bass.

Braff and Barnes have both passed away in recent years. Somewhere I have one of the rare old 10-inch LP’s with Barnes doing the Clarinet Polka on guitar.

Cosmo’s awesome!

Speaking of passing away, did we do a Maynard Ferguson tribute this week? I heard him do “Summertime” about 40 (sheesh!!!) years ago. I checked youTube and couldn’t find him playing it.

The “Summertime” pach picked from the peck of “Summertimes” out there is great, but it seems incomplete. Sort of like the rebulding of NOLA?

Here’s Maynard Ferguson doing “The Star-Spangled Banner” just over three years ago, on the 4th of July, 2003:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDhh_j_9aSE

punaise- except during an earthquake, of course. Or, am I wrong– Used to be called Candlestick? Or is that somewhere else?

Valley Girl @ 86

some initial correspondence, waiting for some follow up

punaise @ 88

Pacbell Park, er SBC Park, err, AT&T Park is a wonderful place to take in a game. views of the Bay Bridge, the East Bay hills, an occasional moonrise at dusk.

No matter how many frickin’ corporate sponsors it has, that place will never be anything but Candlestick.

“Quit your whining and try being a Detroit Lions football fan”.

Steve ex-expat: For what it’s worth, the ‘57 playoff game against the Niners left a permanent scar on the psyche of fans old enough to remember that black day at Kezar stadium. My father was there, and went to his grave mourning its outcome. Not even 5 Super-Bowl wins served to assuage his pain at the Lions second half comeback.

Great- I thought that you would be a good source.

medaka -
I agree that english speaker don’t treat the haiku form properly. Partly because there is an attitude that un-rhymed poetry is “easy” – it isn’t taken seriously.

and, darkblack, I agree with medaka that yours tonight was very pleasing.

just reminded me of a not-serious haiku I did years ago.

distant stone mountain
seems to float on the pine trees
mount fuji it ain’t

Teddy…my ‘boy’ got up…had some water…gave me a kiss and toddled off back to bed. The pager goes off every few hours. The last time he mumbled under his breath, “can’t that resident do anything alone?”

cosmo @ 50

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..search=New Orleans

Sweet. Thanks

Pach, this has been a great summer for me, thanks for asking. It’s always a good idea to count blessings.

YKos was an illuminating and inspiring time. I got to be a delegate at the state Dem convention and re-connected with several old friends.

Spent a deliriously peaceful week floating on green water with the occasional white rapid, watching river otters, ducks, bighorn sheep and badgers play and squabble, reveling in the discoveries my kid made about nature and himself and sleeping under more stars than I’ve seen in years (classic LA starscape, from Dragnet: “Just look at all the stars. Why, there must be dozens of them!”) Seeing a part of the country I’ve never visited before (Northern Utah) and overhearing hearing “…worst.President.ever…” in several restaurants and a grocery line in very red territory gave me great hope for the future.

Hey NefLes- do you know the origin of the park name- Candlestick? I don’t, but would like to.

The Nefarious Leslie @ 89

Frank Probst @ 84

Newsweek is (finally) saying Armitage is Novak’s original source.

So, according to the MSNBC excerpt cited above, Armitage didn’t realize he was Novak’s source; he just sorta accidentally outed her. Is that in any way a plausible argument? Seems not to me, since he would certainly have known the rules for who could and couldn’t be given the info. I can’t figure out how he could have not realized he was a source when the original column came out. Hmm.

He was just gossiping with a someone whose job is to broadcast information to the public, and it just sort of slipped out. Whoops! That’s why he called Valerie Plame up and apologized as soon as he’d realized what he’d done, and then he immediately offered his resignation.

No, wait, I think I’ve got the details wrong on that last part.

N. Leslie

we are both home! I got back on the 23rd and he on the 24th. There are new posts at my site.
Thanks for asking after us.

astralplame @ 97

just reminded me of a not-serious haiku I did years ago.

distant stone mountain
seems to float on the pine trees
mount fuji it ain’t

astral, TOUCHE! And I have to go offline for a bit, as there is a helluva thunderstorm happening outside…. Back soon…

The Nefarious Leslie @ 94

punaise @ 88

Pacbell Park, er SBC Park, err, AT&T Park is a wonderful place to take in a game. views of the Bay Bridge, the East Bay hills, an occasional moonrise at dusk.

No matter how many frickin’ corporate sponsors it has, that place will never be anything but Candlestick.

Only the 49ers play at brutally cold and foggy Candlestink now (they used to give out medals for braving the elements: La Croix de Candlestick)

The Giants have played in their somewhat warmer new home for about six or years now.

Mommybrain …is good to see you. I have news. I’ll email you tomorrow, ok?

Pachacutec @
28

Son of Liberty: we could not face Mike Scott in game 7. We just. could. not.

He was totally scuffing the ball, though. We had him in ‘82 and he was shyte until he figured out how to cheat.

It was an awesome game, purely from a baseball dramatic aesthetics point of view, if you were not a ‘Stros fan.

From a SF Giants fan: Scott used that “scuffer” to no-hit my guys on September 25, 1986. Bastard!
http://www.astrosdaily.com/history/19860925/

neurophius @ 85

So why isn’t Armitage being prosecuted?

My god why aren’t ALL of them being prosecuted?
I just pray in due time…

nasty head cold. trotting off to bed.

will never be anything but Candlestick

I concur.

Valley Girl @ 101

Hey NefLes- do you know the origin of the park name- Candlestick? I don’t, but would like to.

VG, I had not known the origin, but Wiki sez the park’s located on Candlestick Point. Too easy; a more “romantic” story would have been more fun.

HopeSpringsATurtle @ 103

N. Leslie

we are both home! I got back on the 23rd and he on the 24th. There are new posts at my site.
Thanks for asking after us.

So glad to hear you’re both back! Hope Dr. Turtle gets lots of rest.

Punaise…

fresh ginger, juice of a lemon, hot water, honey to taste. Miracle. Sleep well.

Valley Girl @ 54

Elegant game. Great radio from Vin Scully and Jerry Doggett. Sigh.

Sigh, indeed. Learned this summer that Vinnie is a REPUBLICAN! I stopped paying attention to them Dodgers when Murdoch came onto the scene; before that, ‘84 on, diehard fan. Oooh, that Kirk Gibson!Now, that was a baseball moment. I’m out of the habit now. How they doin’ this year? And I really miss Bill James’ Baseball Abstract.

Punaise- Airborne!

HopeSpringsATurtle @ 113

Punaise…

fresh ginger, juice of a lemon, hot water, honey to taste. Miracle. Sleep well.

what, no bourbon?

heh heh, thanks

Valley Girl @ 115

Punaise- Airborne!

I’m flyyyyyying…..

“Pacbell Park, er SBC Park, err, AT&T Park is a wonderful place to take in a game. views of the Bay Bridge, the East Bay hills, an occasional moonrise at dusk”.

I like to think of it as ‘Willie Mays Field’- an absolute jewell. It’s a few miles down 3rd street from ‘Monster Park’, which, of course, will always be known as Candlestick in the Bay Area.

HopeSpringsATurtle @ 108

neurophius @ 85

So why isn’t Armitage being prosecuted?

My god why aren’t ALL of them being prosecuted?
I just pray in due time…

Because Armitage is like a walking, seldom talking fount of disinformation. He seems such a gregarious guy, but he knows where more bodies are buried than anyone I can think of. Partly ’cause he buried or disappeared more than a few of those bodies.

Frank Probst @ 102

The Nefarious Leslie @ 89

Frank Probst @ 84

Newsweek is (finally) saying Armitage is Novak’s original source.

So, according to the MSNBC excerpt cited above, Armitage didn’t realize he was Novak’s source; he just sorta accidentally outed her. Is that in any way a plausible argument? Seems not to me, since he would certainly have known the rules for who could and couldn’t be given the info. I can’t figure out how he could have not realized he was a source when the original column came out. Hmm.

He was just gossiping with a someone whose job is to broadcast information to the public, and it just sort of slipped out. Whoops! That’s why he called Valerie Plame up and apologized as soon as he’d realized what he’d done, and then he immediately offered his resignation.

No, wait, I think I’ve got the details wrong on that last part.

Details, schmetails. What’s a little betrayal among, um … well, probably not complete strangers?

Mommybrain- yep- I heard that about Vinnie too- and I think it was from reading FDL threads. Sigh. It was such an innocent time. Or apparently so, anyway.

Punaise- hope you got it that I was referring to an actual over-the-counter cold preventor. Worked 2/3 times for me. 1/3 times I probably didn’t take it early enough.

Mommybrain, I never got the update on your uncomfortable situation from earlier this year, the one that had us all concerned. I trust everything resolved well?

buried bodies, yeah. didn’t i read here today about the guy who took the picture of the drunk bush twins was the first to die of anthrax? these people are more criminal and powerful than I care to know.

Hugh @ 57

Parenthetically, I hate these Woodwardian psychobabble narratives that act like they can read other people’s minds and intentions.

Yes. The other thing that has bugged the crap out of me is how Woodward stenographed bullshit from high level administration sources about their version of actual crucial conversations in which Bush or Cheney participated, accepting and representing these self-serving accounts as gospel. (In Plan of Attack.)The most notorious example was the Tenet “slam dunk” quote, which was clearly an inoculation against the administration’s own culpability in cherry-picking and hyping intelligence to get their war on. I’d be real surprised if Tenet actually ever said anything like that.

Ah- NefLes- thanks for the reminder re: mommybrain’s phone stalker. Update please MB?

HopeSpringsATurtle @ 124

buried bodies, yeah. didn’t i read here today about the guy who took the picture of the drunk bush twins was the first to die of anthrax?

Hadn’t heard about that.

op99

omg I’m having one of those ‘media hype moments’. wasn’t tenent saying that on video?

Hi, Hope! Glad you’re back. We returned just a few hours ago, more’s the pity. Tomorrow, good.

welcome home mommy! hope it was a good trip. tomorrow at your leisure. no hurry. we have time.

Armitage is a very dangerous person. He earned his chops setting Khum Sa up and supervising the disappearing of the Vietnam MIAs in Indochina, Burma and Thailand. He’s was deeply involved in the coverup(s) of CIA-related drug trade and the laundering of funds related to it. His Bangkok-based “import/export” company, which operated from 1976 to 1978 or 1979 is one of the keys to understanding why the CIA moved their drug operations from SE Asia to South and Central Amrica at that same time.

That’s how he earned his chops.

HopeSpringsATurtle @ 128

op99

omg I’m having one of those ‘media hype moments’. wasn’t tenent saying that on video?

No, I just edited, it was in his book Plan of Attack.

these guys all look more and more like everything we were ever warned about… ruthless drug dealers, shady moneymen, murderers. It becomes more clear everyday. I can’t wait for the shit to hit the fan.

Hot and steamy??? Well, never fear, winter is making an early arrival. Snow in the mountains at 10,500 feet, high in Denver 73. Low in Vail tonight 36.

Sure some of this cool weather is heading east.

op99 @ 132

HopeSpringsATurtle @ 128

op99

omg I’m having one of those ‘media hype moments’. wasn’t tenent saying that on video?

really weird. I swear i can remember a video, tenet standing at a commitee table or in the UN, something like that…and he says it, “slam dunk”…this is gonna drive me crazy. Anyone else remember seeing tenet say it?

No, I just edited, it was in his book Plan of Attack.

medaka @ 87

English certainly has its limitations within that form…Syllabic sequencing dictating content, like attempting an oil painting with the handle rather than the bristles.

Art, high in the nest
From tyranny’s hungry paws
Sees freedom take wing

NefLes, VG – ah, I guess the Climate of Fear got the better of me. I called his mother a few days after the calls. She said he’s home (he lives in the same town she does), is drinking a lot, obssessing about bad decisions made, maudlin, etc. She’s pretty worried about him. I still don’t know how or why he had a local number on my caller ID. I don’t think it was a random error; all the calls during that period were from that number and when I checked back, there were several missed calls from the same number. I’m concerned for him, but not thinking he’s a stalker anymore.

136darkblack says

August 26th, 2006 at 10:22 pm*

Sure is nice to see your ‘face’ darkblack

Hey ET- this is something that FDLers need to know more about. I hope that you will send Jane and/or Christy the details of your research/ knowledge, with links.

why he had a local number on my caller ID.

cell phone? I have a SF number all the while being in texass. That would explain it.

Greetings, Late Niters!

Great post, Pach! I for one am having a great summer, although we have reached the point where I start to look forward to fall. I think I’ve done everything I can with shorts and tshirts this year. I’m looking forward to an opportunity to add more stylish layers to my wardrobe.

Ed*ard Teller @ 131

He earned his chops setting Khum Sa up and supervising the disappearing of the Vietnam MIAs in Indochina, Burma and Thailand.

Please pardon the stupid question: why disappear them?

i started this post when there were only 8 comments & had to go out- so topic may be out there. but hey, hell, i’m out there half the time anyway, thanks for putting up with me.

summer this year seemed almost non-existent. the weather barely gives any indications anymore, totally erratic. so much is happening. i am planning to get to the public forum the FCC is having here in LA on Thursday evening.

and… who knew that there was still a huge issue over the validity of the Busby /Bilbray election… if not for the NEW ZELAND! press. where is this story in the LA Times & NYT?

“…Dennis Hastert, Speaker of the United House of Representatives, called “the peoples’ House,” now has the authority to nullify elections simply by swearing in candidates and claiming federal privilege based on one narrow section of the constitution, while completing ignoring the others, including the one stating that members of the House shall be elected every two years “by the People,” and not selected in Washington DC. Once again, the country is faced with a Bush v. Gore style selection manufactured in Washington DC, and if only the people did not know which party benefited and which party was hurt by the selection, the country would be unanimous in denouncing this power grab….”

read the whole story here

Valley Girl @ 122

Punaise- hope you got it that I was referring to an actual over-the-counter cold preventor. Worked 2/3 times for me. 1/3 times I probably didn’t take it early enough.

Re: ‘cold preventor’

Actually, it’s in the unregulated “remedy” classification.

http://www.azcentral.com/healt…..03-ON.html

There is no proven cure or preventative for the common cold ; )

For that matter, because Woodward is in the chain of evidence, color me agnostic about Isikoff’s Armitage scoop. Woody could be making shit up at Cheney/Bush’s behest, or Cheney/Bushco could have planted it with Isikoff, or both. Armitage is off the payroll, why wouldn’t they throw him under the bus? Since Woody never published about it, how do we know he didn’t just make it up? I don’t know, it’s just mighty fishy.

not so sanguine here, darkblack

freedom flies slowly
art watches, waiting in fear
tyranny will pounce

HopeSpringsATurtle @ 135

really weird. I swear i can remember a video, tenet standing at a commitee table or in the UN, something like that…and he says it, “slam dunk”…this is gonna drive me crazy. Anyone else remember seeing tenet say it?

Dream sequence, honey. Bobby Ewing is about to get out of the shower.

Mommybrain- don’t minimize the potential threat you felt. Just because it turned out the way it did… doesn’t mean that it might not have been otherwise… I thought that the feedback you got showed that yours was not an isolated experience. I’m glad that you raised the issue with us.

who knew that there was still a huge issue over the validity of the Busby /Bilbray election… if not for the NEW ZELAND! press. where is this story in the LA Times & NYT?

Nate knew. He did an excellent post on it today. If interested check his site:

http://getintheirface.com/

Valley Girl @ 122

Punaise- hope you got it that I was referring to an actual over-the-counter cold preventor. Worked 2/3 times for me. 1/3 times I probably didn’t take it early enough.

Those with already-compromised immune systems need to steer clear of this product (airborne) and its copycats, though, because putting the immune system into overdrive can be dangerous….

I have a memory lodged away somewhere, of Tenet using the phrase ’slam dunk’.

I’m glad that you raised the issue with us.

I concur. I always listen to my intuition. The trick is learning to be still enough to hear its quiet voice.

Ernesto is headed for Jamaica, may yet reach the Gulf.

Ed*ard Teller @ 131:

Please keep the little-known details about Armitage coming (and anyone else who knows them).

My theory at the moment is that Fitzgerald has been stumped by Armitage et al — and this Newsweek story and book should help to dislodge a few rocks and reveal a few well-hidden secrets about Richard Armitage.

It’s interesting to see that the immediate initial reactions from readers here, at Daily Kos, and at Huffington Post are skeptical about Armitage’s story.

Consider (in addition to the good points made by Frank Probst and others above already):

Apparently Armitage got word to Novak in the fall of 2003 that his leak was ‘inadvertent’ (testimony coaching).

Despite two earlier prompts from Woodward, Armitage would not come clean to Fitzgerald about leaking to him as well, until Woodward finally really applied pressure at the time of the Libby indictment.

Innocent people get lawyers, when they’re caught up in something as big and unexpected as this, especially if they face an internal turf battle and the other side has everything to gain from bringing you down. Armitage never got a lawyer, but made sure we all knew that (cultivating the appearance of innocence).

We’ve been having a go at this over the last few days, at emptywheel’s place (TheNextHurrah) – look for the post with the lovely dog photo.

Hi, HopeSaT! Read Mr. Turtle’s post at your site. Very glad to hear he’s home and getting some rest, even if his pager goes off every 3 hours.

Here’s a glass of lovely chilled Rose’ in celebration of safe passage.

HopeSpringsATurtle @ 152

I’m glad that you raised the issue with us.

I concur. I always listen to my intuition. The trick is learning to be still enough to hear its quiet voice.

Thirded. You had good cause to be concerned at the time.

Coz- yeah, I know. Scientist me. But, I was miserably sick on a trip in Italy (with a bunch of teenage jerks) and someone gave me Airborne. I recovered more quickly than I could have ever imagined, so I’m not willing to write it off just yet.

Thank you Sophist…me too. I’ve been reviewing in me head and I can see tenets face saying the phrase. ET, Bobby Ewing who? ;)

HopeSpringsATurtle

Google tenet and “slam dunk”

107,000 hits

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=tenet “slam dunk”&btnG=Google Search&meta=

pow wow at 154

good poop…i’m gonna check empty’s place.

HopeSpringsATurtle @
110

will never be anything but Candlestick

I concur.

Selling the naming rights to stadiums is one of the worst things to happen to municipalities. Tax revenues fall because the righties convince people that they can have their cake and eat it too. Especially here in Ca. But that’s all right, I the only baseball I ever go to anymore is the local farm team the San Jose Giants. The stadium hasn’t changed since I was a child. It is looking more than a little down at the heels, but I find that comforting.

Candlestick Park was built upon Candlestick Point of the SF Bay.

It’s corporate name now is 3Com Park, but used to be called Monster Park, after Monster.com’s sponsorship.

Valley Girl @
101

Hey NefLes- do you know the origin of the park name- Candlestick? I don’t, but would like to.

ooooh, this Greenwich Democratic picnic next month could be fun! (h/t Next Hurrah):

http://www.stamfordadvocate.co…..-headlines

Sounds like the Dems wanna give RGJoe a piece of their mind!

“George, how confident are you?” the president asked Tenet, in an exchange depicted in Bob Woodward’s book “Plan of Attack.”

“Don’t worry, it’s a slam-dunk,” Tenet said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..4Jun3.html

Every reference I’ve ever seen to “slam dunk” has been sourced back to Plan of Attack.

HopeSpringsATurtle @ 138

‘face’ darkblack

Whatever could you mean by that juxtaposition of words, Hope?

;>)

That’s fine work overseas that your tribe is performing.

Astralplame @ 146:

‘To live without fear
Its shackles broken, rusting
Is to touch God’s face’

Okay, so here’s the narrative: “The progressives are full of shit. It wasn’t an evil White House punitively going after a critic to make an example of him (and his wife). Rather, it was a clumsy, well-meaning buffoon, Richard Armitage, who is overly fond of mongering rumors, who inadvertently let slip that Mrs. Wilson worked for the CIA. But, of course, he knew nothing of the fact that she worked undercover.

The three words that immediately come to mind are: “Bull fucking shit.” ’nuff said.

drouse @ 161

HopeSpringsATurtle @
110

will never be anything but Candlestick

I concur.

Selling the naming rights to stadiums is one of the worst things to happen to municipalities. Tax revenues fall because the righties convince people that they can have their cake and eat it too. Especially here in Ca. But that’s all right, I the only baseball I ever go to anymore is the local farm team the San Jose Giants. The stadium hasn’t changed since I was a child. It is looking more than a little down at the heels, but I find that comforting.

Now that Candlestick is called Monster Park, most people seem to think it’s named after monster.com, the job-search-engine website, altho it’s really the Monster Cable people who paid for the naming…. the freeway signs that say “Monster Park” are funny, tho.

Valley Girl @ 139

Hey ET- this is something that FDLers need to know more about. I hope that you will send Jane and/or Christy the details of your research/ knowledge, with links.

Both the people who told me about Armitage are dead. Nadya disappeared in Vientian in ‘78. James Bondsteel died in a very strange automobile accident 15 miles from where I live in 1988. He really, really, really hated Armitage, which is part of why I’ve kept track of the guy.

Bondsteel was one of the finest people I’ve known. I worked with him 20 years ago. He was Special Forces in Vietnam and was heavily involved in stuff we won’t ever know. He earned several bronze stars, a silver star and the Congressional Medal of honor. This place is named after him:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_Bondsteel

another reference to Sergeant Major Bondsteel is here (scroll down to notable interments):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F…..l_Cemetery

I have the ’slam dunk’ phrase pegged to Wolfowitz also however, not sure of the precedence.

It’s like the biggest nastiest game of clue ever, which asshat said what when, to whom in order to get us as cocked up as we are currently.

Pardon the colloquiallism.

HopeSAT, From the biblically reliable wikipedia:

According to a report by veteran investigative journalist Bob Woodward in his book Plan of Attack, Tenet privately lent his personal authority to the intelligence reports about Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMDs) in Iraq. At a meeting on December 12, 2002 he is said to have assured the President that the evidence against Saddam amounted to a “slam dunk case,” although Tenet has refused to confirm that he said this.

HopeSpringsATurtle @ 103

There are new posts at my site.

And they are completely heartbreaking. Many thanks also to Dr Turtle for posting his experiences.

Jacqrat @
162

Candlestick Park was built upon Candlestick Point of the SF Bay.

It’s corporate name now is 3Com Park, but used to be called Monster Park, after Monster.com’s sponsorship.

Ok, I was wrong. (read my own wiki link – duh!) it USED to be 3Com Park, NOW is Monster Park, named for Monster CABLE (not Monster.com). Sorry for the ramblings. I think I need some sleep.

Valley Girl @
101

Hey NefLes- do you know the origin of the park name- Candlestick? I don’t, but would like to.

Pach for a minute I thought you were describing the SF Giants…which brings up an important question: why were the Yankees and Angels forced down our throats on KTVU today instead of what should have been there – the Giants game against the Reds! Helloooo?! Anybody home at KTVU? Had to listen to the game on the radio… and missed the ovation for JT snow…aarrrggghhhhh
The best moment this summer was releasing the crow into the walnut orchard and getting to see him every day sit on the fence and raise his wings up at me whenever I pass by…a rush!

thank you darkblack. .

to hear truth spoken
as silent as a sheathed blade
is to feel God’s hand

——-

this is what i’m i was tawkn’ about…
they are evil & w/out no qualms–

orangejumpsuit @ 39

Anyway, as Jane points out, Joe is on the ropes.

Mebbe so, but a savvy fighter will always be wary of an opponent on the ropes…remember Ali and his rope-a-dope.

Thing to remember is that Republicans have no qualms about stealing elections. And having stolen two presidencies, they have it down to a science. A senate seat by comparison is a piece of cake for them.

TeddySanFran @ 167

drouse @ 161

HopeSpringsATurtle @
110

Now that Candlestick is called Monster Park, most people seem to think it’s named after monster.com, the job-search-engine website, altho it’s really the Monster Cable people who paid for the naming…. the freeway signs that say “Monster Park” are funny, tho.

When someone says Monster Park, I can’t help but think of that hokey tourist trap in the Santa Cruz mountain that used to be called the Mystery Spot. Ah, the memories of childhood.

Every reference I’ve ever seen to “slam dunk” has been sourced back to Plan of Attack.

me too…was jut checking links…but I swear I can see the picture in my head. I get back to you on this.

Wigwam @ 166

Okay, so here’s the narrative: “The progressives are full of shit. It wasn’t an evil White House punitively going after a critic to make an example of him (and his wife). Rather, it was a clumsy, well-meaning buffoon, Richard Armitage, who is overly fond of mongering rumors, who inadvertently let slip that Mrs. Wilson worked for the CIA. But, of course, he knew nothing of the fact that she worked undercover.

The three words that immediately come to mind are: “Bull fucking shit.” ’nuff said.

I agree. Rolling Armitage out now seems to be laying the groundwork for a Libby pardon after the midterms.

darkblack @ 136

medaka @ 87

English certainly has its limitations within that form…Syllabic sequencing dictating content, like attempting an oil painting with the handle rather than the bristles.

Art, high in the nest
From tyranny’s hungry paws
Sees freedom take wing

Exactly. Plus the ever-present danger of concision morphing into cleverness or just plain twee, pretty sweetness, like a music box (apologies to music box afficionados!) … English just isn’t concise, hence iambic pentameter, I guess.

Valley Girl @ 157

Coz- yeah, I know. Scientist me. But, I was miserably sick on a trip in Italy (with a bunch of teenage jerks) and someone gave me Airborne. I recovered more quickly than I could have ever imagined, so I’m not willing to write it off just yet.

Not to beat you up but that’s called a testimonial in THAT business ; ) Absent any credible scientifically recognized studies, that’s how they sell that stuff, testimonials ; )

I love English. There’s no better language for rock and soul lyrics. Something about our crashing, teutonic syllables just goes so well with a 4/4 backbeat.

There’s a reason the Brits and Yanks make the best rock and roll. English.

i think that one of the false signs of the downfall of civilization is the naming of sports stadiums after corporations. corporations actually dissolve, and you wind up with a stadium named after something that obviously failed because it no longer exists. even worse, there’s nothing less sportsman-like than a corporation; it’s almost the antithesis of fair play and honest striving (aside from all the “no i in ‘team’ crap that corporate types like to spew to motivate their under-paid employees).

now, for those of you who wonder what the real sign of the downfall of civilization is, i give this date: 8-8-88.

even more insidious than the number of the beast, it was august 8th, 1988, when wrigley field played the first game under artificial lighting.

the last vestige of true baseball was thrown out in favor of commercialization, ie, night games for more gate receipts.

and look where we are now.

i rest my case.

.

.

I love English. There’s no better language for rock and soul lyrics

You couldn’t be more right TRex

Great clip. George Barnes was an early jazz guitar pioneer, and contributed to design of the modern archtop, being among the very first to play one without holes in the top (as in this video). A lyrical player, the Braff connection is a natural. Barnes also spent much of his career working with other guitarists. as in this clip.

HopeSpringsATurtle @ 183

I love English. There’s no better language for rock and soul lyrics

You couldn’t be more right TRex

Someday I’ll put some mp3’s of my music up here.

Someday.

ok…bedtime. be good all. nighters.

athens…aren’t there some music groups from there? ;) night TR

Night, Hopey!

*smooch*

You’re doing great work. We’ll make a blawg shtarrrr outta you yet.

just back from movie watching with daughter … what a nice break that was

and to find a mention of Ruby Braff … wow! thank you Pach! Braff was my father’s favorite and so his records played often in our house … along with opera which my father also loved but only at full volume!

This summer has been a treat … YKOS and Lamont were great full immersion work times for me and I love such adventures. Meeting so many great folks at YKOS esp Nico my new lebanese sister in media along with so many here … then a trip to the UK which was dull but orange juice at the Meridien with Rogan made it a good trip … and late night chats and early morning cigarettes at Jane’s farmhouse in CT – so many good ideas flowing around … topped off with Jane’s stay here which was so relaxing … a good summer indeed.

Now we need a great fall!

skippy- but wasn’t Wrigley Field somehow related to the gum empire in the first place?

HopeSpringsATurtle @ 177

Every reference I’ve ever seen to “slam dunk” has been sourced back to Plan of Attack.

me too…was jut checking links…but I swear I can see the picture in my head. I get back to you on this.

That just goes to show you the craptacular frauds they can perpetrate on even the smart public like you. Rinse and repeat enough times, you think you actually saw it.

TRex @ 181

I love English. There’s no better language for rock and soul lyrics. Something about our crashing, teutonic syllables just goes so well with a 4/4 backbeat.

There’s a reason the Brits and Yanks make the best rock and roll. English.

That is SO true. Don’t tell them furriners, but Rock only works in English. It might have something to do with the combination of Latinate and Germanic streams coming together. And the Celtic thing, too. In days of yore, Wales had one of the toughest Bardic colleges on the planet. Cool music still comes out of Cardiff regularly. Just check out Huw’s show on RADIO ONE (and Ras’s show and Rob’s show — good great fun!)

Wrigley Field and the Wrigley building do relate to Wrigley gum … one of my coworkers had a meeting with them and came back with the most enormous stash of gum … the office was chewing for weeks!

Ever since my prof in college said “you can’t write prose poetry in English” I have been a little over focused on it.

did a whole bunch of “poems” that were arbitrary minute-long excerpts from obsessive preoccupations – some came out pretty good.

latest thing for me, from a poet in Atlanta named Randy Prunty (his stuff is good – and I don’t like poetry much, for a poet). He had a form he would use with a first line, and each successive line would begin with the successive word in the first line. Calls it a pruntiform. Like-

This is a test.
Is there a problem with that?
A problem is conceivable, but this isn’t one.
Test well, grasshopper.

I am finding it gives enough structure, and permits good soundiness with English — breaks up just enough.

skippy @ 182

even worse, there’s nothing less sportsman-like than a corporation; it’s almost the antithesis of fair play and honest striving (aside from all the “no i in ‘team’ crap that corporate types like to spew to motivate their under-paid employees).

If you consider a corporation as a person(and they really do want to be people sort of like Pinocio(sp)) your average multi-national would have to be regarded as a sociopath.

Ever since my prof in college said “you can’t write prose poetry in English” I have been a little over focused on it.

I can’t STAND academics who say things like that. How absurd. What a pompous ass.

You can do absolutely anything you want in English. Don’t ever let anyone tell you any different. One of our language’s greatest beauties is its flexibility.

medaka @ 179

English just isn’t concise, hence iambic pentameter, I guess.

The rythym of martial drums, the language of commerce and connivance

;>)

How absurd. What a pompous ass.

Entirely – and he was a famous poet. But an even better instructor than he was a poet. (I think his poems are a bit more clever than they are objects that happen in your brain when you read them). So, a pain in the neck, and arrogant as all get out, but at the same time an incredible helping hand and guide along that stretch of road.

‘Night, Pups. Sleep well.

night, Les!

darkblack @ 197

medaka @ 179

English just isn’t concise, hence iambic pentameter, I guess.

The rythym of martial drums, the language of commerce and connivance

;>)

What you said! The brutal ardor …

WaPo report on the wedding and peace protest at Walker’s Point Saturday:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..00812.html

Somehow, Barbara Bush in a purple pantsuit is an image I could have gone without for a long time….

Though English has the strength of being an aquisitive language, permitting meaning to flow across and from new words and new uses, more than some other languages.

my favorite thing about it.

TRex @ 196

You can do absolutely anything you want in English. Don’t ever let anyone tell you any different. One of our language’s greatest beauties is its flexibility.

Opera doesn’t sound so hot in English, nor German, Russian, or Czech. I’m sorry, it just doesn’t. ;)

astralplame @ 203

Though English has the strength of being an aquisitive language, permitting meaning to flow across and from new words and new uses, more than some other languages.

my favorite thing about it.

Also our President’s favorite thing about it. When being interviewed latest on Larry King, W said, “Words mean different things to different people.” My teevee took a pillow hit for that one!

Had a german friend, a dancer, who characterized the german as, a language in which every letter is pronounced.

English on the other hand, is a polyglot, an amalgam with no single overriding characteristics.

I like the linguist argument, that climate and (climate based) work culture affects language in a very organic fashion, causing preservation or use of breath (plosive sounds) in accordance with things like preservation of moisture, or body heat while talking.

I believe english is a great example of this kind of organic slide of speech with its myriad accents and cultural ethnic influences.

the myth of babel confounds us still

TeddySanFran @ 205

astralplame @ 203

Though English has the strength of being an aquisitive language, permitting meaning to flow across and from new words and new uses, more than some other languages.

my favorite thing about it.

Also our President’s favorite thing about it. When being interviewed latest on Larry King, W said, “Words mean different things to different people.” My teevee took a pillow hit for that one!

I have tried to revoke his wordsmithing license, but the secret service won’t let me near him. It was supposed to be ceremonial, you know, give the president something, like the key to a city – then he just freakin runs with it. Sigh.

op99 @ 204

TRex @ 196

You can do absolutely anything you want in English. Don’t ever let anyone tell you any different. One of our language’s greatest beauties is its flexibility.

Opera doesn’t sound so hot in English, nor German, Russian, or Czech. I’m sorry, it just doesn’t. ;)

Opera should only be sung in Italian or French, to my thinking.

The German language should never be sung at all.

hey TRex – but what about THIS?

there we go – fixed the link to the german version

public schools all over the country are now also selling naming rights. schools and sports fields are plastered with w/ advertising. it’s pathetic.

Handed in a physics paper once, arguing that the tower of babel allegory, and confusion of languages inhibits us still, and nowhere is this more evident than in areas of academic speciality with its coded jargon and phrases.

Sophist @ 206

Had a german friend, a dancer, who characterized the german as, a language in which every letter is pronounced.

I have a Russian friend who characterizes German as a cat hacking up a hairball. Which strikes me as the pot calling the kettle back, lol.

Yes, ‘hacking up a hairball’ that is the perfect description for some of the more phlegmatic gutteral languages, such as Russian.

brkily @ 211

public schools all over the country are now also selling naming rights. schools and sports fields are plastered with w/ advertising. it’s pathetic.

Can’t wait to see what poorly-advised sponsor goes for the airline vomit bags! Apparently, they are up for grabs soon.

TRex @ 209

op99 @ 204

TRex @ 196

You can do absolutely anything you want in English. Don’t ever let anyone tell you any different. One of our language’s greatest beauties is its flexibility.

Opera doesn’t sound so hot in English, nor German, Russian, or Czech. I’m sorry, it just doesn’t. ;)

Opera should only be sung in Italian or French, to my thinking.

The German language should never be sung at all.

Except for one thing. German is just great for drinking songs.

Or Spanish. I don’t think I’ve heard an opera in Spanish, but I’m sure it would be gorgeous.

But then I have heard a native German speaker say that Dutch isn’t a language, it is a throat disease.

chacun a son gout.

TRex @ 217

Or Spanish. I don’t think I’ve heard an opera in Spanish, but I’m sure it would be gorgeous.

Yep, same difference. There are a few.

and they (the schools) are BARELY teaching english. the schools in “non-rich” areas are just dirty barracks, providers of human flesh for recruiters and the corporate prisons and low wage jobs. wow, that sounds awful.

Long ago, my dad worked in Brussels and my family went to spend the summer with him. I had three years of h.s. French, as well as five of Latin, and was convinced I’d be a star. In Brussels, of course, everyone speaks five languages, so whenever I missed ONE word and asked for “repete’” the buggers would switch languages on me! Getting them back to French was frustrating as hell, and of course their French is all hair-bally.

My little brother enjoyed the hell out of this, of course. Until we went to Paris on the fast train, and I’d made several Metro transfers with perfect understanding, not even realizing I was speaking and hearing French. Spent a lot of time in Paris that summer, speaking and being spoken to.

I once had a group of students perform an Elgar Brittan opera once, fortunately we were able to seperate the composition from the lyric, which was then made into a somber narrative.

English doesn’t flow as well when sung with operatic ferocity.

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But then I have heard a native German speaker say that Dutch isn’t a language, it is a throat disease.

*still chortling over that*

I will have to relate that to my SO, who is dutch, and particular intolerant to my caricatured hacking imitations of dutch speech.

German is beautiful … but you have to hear it in Germany. Dutch, however, is the most bizarre language I’ve been around … I always think I can interpret it via my non-existant German and it’s always wrong.

brkily @ 220

and they (the schools) are BARELY teaching english. the schools in “non-rich” areas are just dirty barracks, providers of human flesh for recruiters and the corporate prisons and low wage jobs. wow, that sounds awful.

But we know here at FDL — was it from UpTownNYC? — about how the recruiters cruise the streets blasting rap from their big black Hummers, and mock the smart kids who get scholarships elsewhere and can thus resist their blandishments….

medaka @ 228

TRex @ 225

If it weren’t for vowels, there would be no melisma.

Wasn’t that a band? The Melismatics? Or am I thinking of the Plasmatics?

Oh, Wendy O.!

Uh, I never heard of the melismatics. It’s a pretty cool name, though.

Oh, here we go. Thank you, Google.

The Melismatics.

Siun @ 223

German is beautiful … but you have to hear it in Germany.

Particularly in the south — very soft and clear.

Siun @ 223

German is beautiful … but you have to hear it in Germany. Dutch, however, is the most bizarre language I’ve been around … I always think I can interpret it via my non-existant German and it’s always wrong.

Remember seeing signs in Belgium with commands followed by SVP (please, in French) and AUB (please, in Flemish and maybe Dutch too).

When I learned that “please” was aust-u-bleeft I cracked up. How can that be a word? Just say it! You’ll feel ridonculous!

TRex @ 225

If it weren’t for vowels, there would be no melisma.

Wasn’t that a band? The Melismatics? Or am I thinking of the Plasmatics?

Sophist – I spent a couple months in the Hague, and survived mainly because the cookie and dessert names, for the most part, do not have g’s in them. Made ordering easy. They have some delicious cookies there.

The hard part was getting them to bring me two coffees at once, since they didn’t do refills.
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Teddy, a lot of folks also say something like Dank-u-vel, which is much more fun to say that Aust-u-bleeft

brkily

and they (the schools) are BARELY teaching english. the schools in “non-rich” areas are just dirty barracks, providers of human flesh for recruiters and the corporate prisons and low wage jobs. wow, that sounds awful.

I recall reading a passage in one of the earlier print editions of Supermoney by Adam Smith (not the same person that wrote ‘Wealth of Nations’), where discussion of the education system heading into the twentieth century was very much geared towards an co-ed education system that would produce a ‘breeding-workforce’, combined with non-co-ed private schools which would produce the ‘ruling class’.

Sophist @ #222

Benjamin Britten. Sudents don’t do Elgar operas, because there aren’t any.

Some grim happenings tonight in Queens. A 34-yr old man was arrested after a random drive-by shooting spree throughout Queens, killing one man and injuring four others. The man he killed was near where I live, so in the universe of possibilities, I could have been that man (except I was in all day). The spree took place over six hours. According to the report the man has a history of mental problems, plus was on cocaine and alcohol at the time of the arrest.

Here is this one drunken individual who terrorizes Queens for six hours before being apprehended. What does this say about our ability to respond to a terrorist attack involving say, a dozen terrorists possessing all their wits?

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08…..shoot.html

not sure why I had ‘Britten’ mashed in with Elgar, but you are correct, it was a long time ago and I’m a little foggy on some of the details, especially since the operatic work was only used for the score.

speaking of beauty (art) who is talking to kids in school about beauty? nobody. they are just trying to pass the standardized tests. …
does anybody know what “krump” is?

Can I just say that one of my favorite words ever is “Opera Buffo”?

I’m not even entirely sure what it means, but it just sounds like people in powdered wigs having a pillow fight.

Anyway, with that, I bid you all good night.

Well, ojs, the FBI is apparently busy investigating environmentalists — who go to Army Corps of Engineers’ meetings and propose removing dams — as possible terrorists, so clearly they’re busy. Just doing the wrong things.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..00370.html

Wow, six hours. That is really scary and amazing. Imagine if that were in a place where rich white people lived. Probably wouldn’t have taken 30 minutes to stop the guy.

‘nite, theropod.

night TRex – sweet dreams

Ah here it is, the piece I used was composed by Edward Elgar, and conducted by Benjamin Britten…

apologies, … I’m rambling

brkily @ 234

speaking of beauty (art) who is talking to kids in school about beauty? nobody. they are just trying to pass the standardized tests. …
does anybody know what “krump” is?

Yeah, krump is awesome.

The shortcomings of English for song, vocal constructs and opera are vastly overplayed. This myth has been assailed, especially in the UK, over the past thirty years or so.

Romance languages flow easily and have gendered word endings which facilitate rhyme schemes, but the Germanic languages can be set smoothly too.

g’nite sweet Trex!

and Astraplame … I haven’t been to the Hague but adore Amsterdam and Haarlem even more. And the food is the best ever … all those colonial flavors mixed together with amazing bread and cheese!

drouse @ 216

Except for one thing. German is just great for drinking songs.

Here’s a fine drinking song in Italian (Mozart, Don Giovanni). Damned if I can find the rollicking one in French from Offenbach’s Les Contes d’Hoffmann.

gotta crash, must make birthday waffles in the AM for my 7 year old daughter who was very insistent that waffles had to be served hot, with whipped cream and real maple syrup.

g’nite all

Oops, forgot the brkily @ 234

does anybody know what “krump” is?

Krump is very cool. At the beginning of RIZE there is a note stating that none of the film has been speeded up ….

Goodnight y’all — it’s off to the threads (the fiber ones) for me. I’ll be back when the morning crew starts to wake up …

TRex @ 235

Can I just say that one of my favorite words ever is “Opera Buffo”?

No, but you can say it’s “opera buffa”, lol.
G’night and sweet dreams, TRexie.

‘nite pups! see you with Redd’s birdy post in the a.m…..

Nite Teddy.

Sophist @ 244

gotta crash, must make birthday waffles in the AM for my 7 year old daughter who was very insistent that waffles had to be served hot, with whipped cream and real maple syrup.

g’nite all

she’s right!

this has been quite an artsy/culture evening here – and we are just scratcing the surface. don’t you ever wish there were sidebar conversations, on-going, going on, on about art, recipes, philosophy, science, etc?

my gaed, sophist- your kids are more spoiled than mine, and incredible blog art, too. that pen is awesome!

TRex: Opera buffa = Comic Opera

opera buffa. bush would make a brilliant character for a science fiction opera buffa.

brkily @ 251

this has been quite an artsy/culture evening here – and we are just scratcing the surface. don’t you ever wish there were sidebar conversations, on-going, going on, on about art, recipes, philosophy, science, etc?

brkily @ 251

this has been quite an artsy/culture evening here – and we are just scratcing the surface. don’t you ever wish there were sidebar conversations, on-going, going on, on about art, recipes, philosophy, science, etc?

It’s like you’re at a party conversing with a couple of people, but you can monitor the conversations of those around you as well.

brkily @ 251

this has been quite an artsy/culture evening here – and we are just scratcing the surface. don’t you ever wish there were sidebar conversations, on-going, going on, on about art, recipes, philosophy, science, etc?

It’s possible. Then we would have threaded threads and that would mean we’re back to Usenet.

When Jane and Redd were moving from the old host to this one, I suggested something along those lines. Didn’t happen, but more and more people at fdl stay on thread subjects after new ones have started. Hopefully, that will continue to develop.

This place is vertically oriented in that respect, but it is also one of fdl’s strengths.

I have particularly enjoyed this evening – think I needed some artsy juice or something.

i don’t know about usenet, but w/out my fdl i would be very lonley. even tho i’m not always posting…

lonely

ET, are you staying or going?

& astral p?

brkily – same here. I usually read the whole day, but post pretty much only at night.

brkily @ 262

ET, are you staying or going?

where?

oh – spaced out there a minute. trying to record something, so jumping a little back and forth from here to audacity.

& drouse & whoever’s hanging around?
what’s up in your world?

heading for bed … please remember the folks in the carib tonight, esp in my heart home of treasure beach … ernesto has shifted so hopefully no direct hits and all the fishermen have come in but still it’s a bad storm …

Mack @
14

Democracy is coming…to the USA

Mac,
Thank you! just clocked in. a great way to start the day. after “Democracy is Coming to America” i watched “the Isle of Wight” video and then “First We Take Manhattan” with Jennifer Warnes (the song is one of my all time favorites) and finally “Who by Fire” with Sonny Rollins.
Wow! Leonard Cohen is one of the pillars of cool.

brkily @ 260

i don’t know about Usenets, but w/out my fdl i would be very lonley. even tho i’m not always posting…

Usenet is what we had before the world wide web. Text only baby and if you attached a file larger than say 20K you were cast into Coventry. I do miss the vast entertainment from the flame wars(no moderators). They would go from substantive to attacking over grammar and spelling only to be ended by Godwin’s Law.

i read this post from someone in costa rica today who said how dramatically the ecosystem-weather-animals-birds, etc was changing. maybe it’s stupid, but i feel so guilty and cruel to call this to the attention of my teenagers- even tho i think they should be aware of it- they probably are- but i feel so f*****g shitty that this situation is what we are leaving them with. i feel guilty about the wondrous nature that i was able to enjoy as a child. it’s like i am in my own woody allen movie. the guilt….

drouse @ 270

Godwin’s Law.

I HEART WIKIPEDIA! It is the source of all knowledge. Kind of.

Back to the song thing.

I’m struggling with settings of three poems by Pablo Neruda – “Tres Canciones de Pablo Neruda a Felipe Munger” – and working on a song cycle by a Scots poet named Tina Louise.

An opera about Bush? The greatest opera by an American in the past 30 years is John Adams’s “Nixon in China.” Bush is so much richer. He is absolutely the best material an opera composer in America has ever been handed for “opera buffa” !!!

Hre’s one of Tina Louise’s poems I’m considering:

The 100th soldier
Rounded numbers
Rounded lives
The 100th soldier
From the UK dies

Tears of grief
Tears of shock
The 100th soldier
Another loss

Mourning on
Mourning off
The 100th soldier
We count the cost

Of wars fought
In our name
Of loss loss
With no gain
Of cost cost
To our shame

The 100th soldier
The 1st
The 25th the 3rd
The numbered souls
On lists and roles
Names no longer called
This memoriam
The final
For them
They drew their last breath

Final thought…
Noble cause?

I’m afraid that’s it for me tonight. Even here on the west coast it’s getting sorta late and the dog is insisting on one last lap around the block. Experiance tells me I’d better pay attention if I don’t want to break out the carpet machine in the morning.

Ed*ard Teller – Do you know would “100th” be spoken/sung “Hundredth” or “One Hundredth”?

drouse, bingo

Off to bed for me too. Good night and thanks for a lovely thread, everyone. I like it when the only thing we whine about is Republicans. :)

astralplame @ 275

Ed*ard Teller – Do you know would “100th” be spoken/sung “Hundredth” or “One Hundredth”?

Good question! I had planned on the former. But that IS important. I wrote a piece for bugle and electronic media commemorating the 1,000th American soldier killed in Iraq – seems so long ago – and I said, when talking about it “thousandth.”

I’ll ask Ms. Louise…

E*T, do you compose in the computer or paper?

Ed*ard Teller @ 278

astralplame @ 275

Ed*ard Teller – Do you know would “100th” be spoken/sung “Hundredth” or “One Hundredth”?

Good question! I had planned on the former. But that IS important. I wrote a piece for bugle and electronic media commemorating the 1,000th American soldier killed in Iraq – seems so long ago – and I said, when talking about it “thousandth.”

I’ll ask Ms. Louise…

best idea. I can’t decide. Rhythm-wise I like “hundredth”, but aesthetically in the emphases of the poem I like “One hundredth”

what does anyone think it means to be an artist in these times? has art as we used to think of it lost all meaning?

brkily – that blog entry was pretty interesting.

hey, fahrE. do you have a playlist for those songs.? sounds sweet.

brkily @ 279

E*T, do you compose in the computer or paper?

in my head and my hands. from there it often goes to a sketchbook on a piano. but I’ve been using Finale for seventeen years, sometimes from beginning to end.

I got into notation computer programs early on because the thumb side of my left hand was crushed in 1980. Soon after that, the damage played hell with my piano playing, but by the late 80s it was also difficult to write manuscript. My left hand would go numb after 45 minutes or so.

op99 @
125

Hugh @ 57

Parenthetically, I hate these Woodwardian psychobabble narratives that act like they can read other people’s minds and intentions.

Yes. The other thing that has bugged the crap out of me is how Woodward stenographed bullshit from high level administration sources about their version of actual crucial conversations in which Bush or Cheney participated, accepting and representing these self-serving accounts as gospel. (In Plan of Attack.)The most notorious example was the Tenet “slam dunk” quote, which was clearly an inoculation against the administration’s own culpability in cherry-picking and hyping intelligence to get their war on. I’d be real surprised if Tenet actually ever said anything like that.

Haven’t got the book in front of me, but I remember when reading Clarke’s ‘Against All Enemies’ that Tenet was quoted as saying “slam dunk” about something else. At the time, I remember writing in the margin “does he say this about everything?” I’m now of the opinion that the phrase was co-opted from it’s original context (probably al-Q as being behind 9/11) to use for Iraq WMD support.

i was an artist. but i can’t figure it out now. that whole idea just seems so … pointless, somehow. unless there was some way to wake people fucking up from the torpor of shopping, and, well, etc.

op99 @
145

For that matter, because Woodward is in the chain of evidence, color me agnostic about Isikoff’s Armitage scoop. Woody could be making shit up at Cheney/Bush’s behest, or Cheney/Bushco could have planted it with Isikoff, or both. Armitage is off the payroll, why wouldn’t they throw him under the bus? Since Woody never published about it, how do we know he didn’t just make it up? I don’t know, it’s just mighty fishy.

“if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck it must be a duck.”

Michael Isikoff is not to be trusted. Very clever, he. His duck however, is not a duck, as much as he would have you believe. Fuckwad and Company would have let Armitage take the fall. It would have been a snap for Karl to set up.

Other birds eat fish. Maybe they account for the fishy smell.

Hey Edw*ard,

Where did you get your info on Armitage? I’d like to know more about him and his “exploits”.

brkily @ 286

i was an artist. but i can’t figure it out now. that whole idea just seems so … pointless, somehow. unless there was some way to wake people fucking up from the torpor of shopping, and, well, etc.

I quit writing after college for about 5 years. Started again. Then stopped when some medical stuff started taking up the whole screen. Only just recently started again. I struggle with the difficulty of feeling justified in thinking people should read what I write, but other issues (such as you raise) come in. Spend time making little word jewel-boxes when my country is gone so wrong?

oh, the fishyness of it all…

astral- that guy and some of his friends are the who’s who of advertising and marketing futures. long-tailishness and all. he’s off on some other fascinating tangent for the moment. it will probably be important, though. culturally.

fahrender @ 288

Hey Edw*ard,

Where did you get your info on Armitage? I’d like to know more about him and his “exploits”.

see # 168. so would I.

brkly,

are you still there?

why did you say “was an artist”?

fahrender @ 292

brkly,

are you still there?

why did you say “was an artist”?

I was going to ask the same thing.

Ed*ard Teller @ 291

fahrender @ 288

Hey Edw*ard,

Where did you get your info on Armitage? I’d like to know more about him and his “exploits”.

see # 168. so would I.

ah, so.

obvious that i haven’t read the whole thread….

well— does’t seem like i am “doing” art. unless thinking and… engaging my kids and their friends in esoteric conversations about the “languages” of popular culture & what things mean and how we are stumblingly creating the (possible) future of civilization, can be counted.

Ed*ard Teller @273

An opera about Bush? The greatest opera by an American in the past 30 years is John Adams’s “Nixon in China.” Bush is so much richer. He is absolutely the best material an opera composer in America has ever been handed for “opera buffa” !!!

PDQ Bach wrote one called “Oedipus Tex” that simply cries out for an adaptation. (not sure if it’s really an opera, but the title certainly fits GeeDub)

brkily – it is a fascinating tangent. I have trouble enunciating things like this, the kind of things that have to be figured out backwards – where you know there is a something, but can’t argue your deductive reasoning because it is an intuitive thing.

Lately I am re and re-visiting the apprehension that there is something large and wrong in the world. Usually I have no faith in human-kind to pull of the monstrous plots that conspiracy theories are made of, but if enough self-interests combine, you get a hell of a lot of momentum with minimal organization.

okay, i’m thinking about this, not going away….

BQ @ 296

Ed*ard Teller @273

An opera about Bush? The greatest opera by an American in the past 30 years is John Adams’s “Nixon in China.” Bush is so much richer. He is absolutely the best material an opera composer in America has ever been handed for “opera buffa” !!!

PDQ Bach wrote one called “Oedipus Tex” that simply cries out for an adaptation. (not sure if it’s really an opera, but the title certainly fits GeeDub)

PDQ Bach is right up there next to Erik Satie, Spike Jones, Al Yankovich, Frank Zappa and John Cage when it comes to composers qualified to do a Bush opera buffa.

Random ish thought that comes to mind – in that satellite thought way. The movie of Patton – he keeps saying things about the Russians, and the bigwigs have to cover it up. But his attitude (if accurately portrayed) is what became central just a short time later. It pre-dated WWII. That is what I always think of when I think about Patton.

so, in a way. we are going to have to go backwards to go forward. like kids who are for some reason not parented, or badly parented, and miss developmental stages that thwart forward progress. not only that, but actually give up some of our toys for the greater good. yeah. it’s a bitch.

got a comment in moderation about Patton and the Soviets – it’ll be out soon.

lately I have tried to exorcise-ish some thoughts of dark clouds by writing any way. It might work, but I don’t think it’s in the class of my best stuff, that I wrote because I found it in my head and it needed writing. Rather than crafting to more specific meaning.

let’s do the opera. we could. let’s do an opera. i want to do an opera.

brkily @ 300

so, in a way. we are going to have to go backwards to go forward. like kids who are for some reason not parented, or badly parented, and miss developmental stages that thwart forward progress. not only that, but actually give up some of our toys for the greater good. yeah. it’s a bitch.

it IS a bitch, brkily, but – backwards, forward – after Gilgamesh, everything’s a rewrite.

testing – got a couple comments snagged on a nail around here.

ET,
good list you got there…Is PDQ still around?
I saw him live in 1982, but haven’t looked up anything lately. Not sure who he had in mind when he wrote “Oedipus Tex” but I know who I had in mind when I grabbed it at the used store.

my meninges want to do an opera.

Wow, late night churns on!
Just trying to catch up – to artistic types…
I have a friend from high school who was superbly gifted; for instance, he composed a concerto in 7th grade and dazzled literally everyone whenever he played. I’m talking Keith Jarrett gifted.

I had the keys to our HS auditorium, so he and a couple of friends would sneak in, train a fresnel on him in center-stage, and he’d play all night while we sat in the 8th row and were simply astounded.

And he was so troubled by life (brother grievously wounded in Viet Nam, etc.) that he stopped playing in the mid 80’s. Never to this day has he sat back down @ piano (or Clarinet, French Horn, or Bass) and played. I guess he left it all out there and was done.

For those of you with artistic ability, from those of us who have “other gifts”, I say keep playing, painting, writing, drawing, singing, whatever. Politics & religion & just slimy humanity notwithstanding, we need you desperately!

damn straight brkily.

re-writing, schreme-writing. editing, buying rights, getting talent. whatever. wicked will pale next to this.

BQ @ 304

ET,
good list you got there…Is PDQ still around?
I saw him live in 1982, but haven’t looked up anything lately. Not sure who he had in mind when he wrote “Oedipus Tex” but I know who I had in mind when I grabbed it at the used store.

PDQ Bach:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Schickele

I haven’t heard “Oedipus Tex.” Stravinsky’s “Oedipus Rex” is a great work which BEGS parody, and is one of my favorite oratorios, so I’m surprised I don’t know the piece.

i. am. not. kidding. E*T. when can we start? we need to talk.

did y’all see that verse darkblack posted way upthread? “to live without fear . . .”

totally made my whole week, month, maybe more.
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and sign me up for opera versifying if requested and helpful.

Just cause I don’t usually write lyrically, don’t mean I can’t

& astral-p. lyrics-r-us.

brkily:

niklake – at -mtaonline – dot – net

drouse @
216

TRex @ 209

op99 @ 204

TRex @ 196

You can do absolutely anything you want in English. Don’t ever let anyone tell you any different. One of our language’s greatest beauties is its flexibility.

Opera doesn’t sound so hot in English, nor German, Russian, or Czech. I’m sorry, it just doesn’t. ;)

Opera should only be sung in Italian or French, to my thinking.

The German language should never be sung at all.

Except for one thing. German is just great for drinking songs.

it seems to me that some of you are forgetting that native speakers a(in ANY language) can speak their language smoothly and gracefully. each language has it’s beauty if well spoken. native listeners can hear the beauty of their language in a way that others only rarely can hear, and this includes Russian and German.

actually – this reminds me of one from a long time ago – ballad meter exercise that kind of outgrew its paddock -
—-
O my o drunken Captain Rust
Out drinking in the park,
Out smashing empty bottles green,
Out draining others dry,
Recall what made your stomach soft,
Which sailors left to die
In rolling wooden galleons shook
by wine and ocean dark

And what strange lands you may have seen,
And what quaint fables tell,
Of captives crowned with golden chains
At noble lady’s whim
Of fishes gasping empty air
that never learned to swim
Who loved the ocean only once,
but claim they know it well

My iron captain crawled to shore
when water turned him rust
His salty smile would never speak
of what he’d understood
Uncertain feet that rolled on land
remembered only wood
And feared they’d sink him to his neck
and drown him in the dust

O my o seasick Captain Rust
Still dripping on the shore
You’ll cough up twenty bottles worth
And, thirsty, call for more
–
always thought that one would benefit from some music.

Edw*rd (#299):

Stan Freeberg…….

I found the “slam dunk” language in ‘Against All Enemies” — Tenet said it to Clinton about the attacks on the US Embassies in Tanzania and Kenya on August 7, 1998.

at p. 184

In the meeting, the CIA and FBI provided detailed evidence that the operation had been al Qaeda. “This one is a slam dunk, Mr. President,” Tenet began. “There is no doubt that this was an al Qaeda operation. Both we and the bureau have plenty of evidence.”

my marginalia at the time I first read it:
“Does he always say that? Or did they cull it from this situation for Woodward?”

oh my gawd, somebody is on this awredy. no worries. it’s totally amateur, in the direction of goodness, but we can do it different – better.

“Poppy turns up. He, Barbara, W, and Laura grill a steak.

W: “It’s real great to be back in Texas. You guys ready for the next war?”

Poppy, Barbara, Laura, and W sing: “War! War! We’re gonna go to war!”

The Chorus: “Beware of hubris, little one. Before you start another war, be sure you’ve got the first nailed down.”

W: “You mean Iraq? Hey, that’s a piece of cake.”

The Chorus: “Afghanistan! Afghanistan! It opens up like a burning pit!”

W: “Oh, hell, I forgot all about that place.”

A chorus of Taliban enters with machine guns. They mow the Bushes down.

Taliban Chorus: “This tragedy has no end. We’re back to stay.”

The Bushes all get up and dust themselves off.

The Bushes, throwing up their hands: “There ain’t no tragedy in Texas. That’s for Greeks and stuff. “

Taliban Chorus sings “The Yellow Rose of Texas.”

The Bushes: “Now you guys have got it. Get with the team and the money follows.”.”

astralplame @ 315

actually – this reminds me of one from a long time ago – ballad meter exercise that kind of outgrew its paddock -
—-

O my o seasick Captain Rust
Still dripping on the shore
You’ll cough up twenty bottles worth
And, thirsty, call for more
–
always thought that one would benefit from some music.

The last stanza of that poem has always reminded me of Robert Service’s “Athabaska Dick.”

Ed*ard Teller @ 309

BQ @ 304

ET,
good list you got there…Is PDQ still around?
I saw him live in 1982, but haven’t looked up anything lately. Not sure who he had in mind when he wrote “Oedipus Tex” but I know who I had in mind when I grabbed it at the used store.

PDQ Bach:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Schickele

I haven’t heard “Oedipus Tex.” Stravinsky’s “Oedipus Rex” is a great work which BEGS parody, and is one of my favorite oratorios, so I’m surprised I don’t know the piece.

I had never heard of it either, but grabbed the cassette immediately (probably now under the car seats) All I can remember of the lyrics is “Yeah, I’m Oedipus Tex, that’s what I said, But my friends — just call me Ed.”

Ed*ard Teller -
shit! did I steal it from somewhere?

brkly (#318):

you might want to check out what Evil Parallel Universe is doing. he’s started writing theater scenes. the first one features Fuckwad and Camus. the second FW and Heidigger. he introduced both pieces on a thread either yesterday or the night before. i forget which. the one with Camus was great.

it should open in aug or sept 08. just before the elections.

astralplame @ 321

Ed*ard Teller -
shit! did I steal it from somewhere?

Oh, shit – busted!

fahr*E, a link?
what about that list of links for earlier mentioned songs. i was listening, this evening to old mississippi bottleneck…

Ed*ard Teller @ 326

astralplame @ 321

Ed*ard Teller -
shit! did I steal it from somewhere?

Oh, shit – busted!

where the heck did it come from? did this one in college, and honestly thought that I came up with it – an exercise mixing ballad meter with sonnet rhyme. Stupid brain! Grabbing things that don’t belong to me!

and for EPU, where did you see that?

astralplame,

And I thought that was a poem my grandma used to sing to me in Norwegian.

It is evocative. I like visceral poems like yours.

*smiling all goofy*

thank you Ed*ard.

Your grandma sang to you in Norwegian?

astralplame,

Yes, she did. Most of it when I was a baby, and I don’t remember that, but mom says she did it. Later, when she moved from Chicago to live next to my parents in Seattle, she would sing Norwegian Baptist hymns to herself.

Hardest lyric I ever set:

6. Chorale with soprano solo:
Rachel’s Words (edited by Philip Munger)
Feel sick to my stomach a lot
from being doted on all the time,
very sweetly,
by people who are facing doom.

You can always hear the tanks and bulldozers
passing by.
I have bad nightmares about tanks and bulldozers
outside our house
and you and me inside.
Tanks and bulldozers destroyed 25 greenhouses
the livelihoods for 300 people.
Then the bulldozers come and take out
people’s vegetable farms and gardens.

This happens every day.

I think that I should at least mention that
I am also discovering a degree of strength
and of basic ability for humans to remain human
in the direst of circumstances.

I think the word is dignity.

I wish you could meet these people.

Maybe, hopefully, someday
you will.

brkly (#327)

am the world’s biggest luddite but i’ll go digging and see if i can at least send you to the right thread.

I think that I should at least mention that
I am also discovering a degree of strength
and of basic ability for humans to remain human
in the direst of circumstances.

That is it. The strange silver lining on things that happen that should be beyond us. It is a joy that you can’t figure out whether you really wish you didn’t have a chance to feel it.

That lyric would be quite difficult to set, I would think – how to lift it up and make it clear and sense-able without obstructing the plain and piercing meaning in them.

fahr*E i may have to crash. am getting heavy lidded.

astral-P. whose lyric, yours?

Yes – from a long time ago. Started as just an exercise mixing ballad meter and sonnet rhyme, but it has stuck with me since I wrote it like 12 years ago.

astralplame @ 335

Yes – from a long time ago. Started as just an exercise mixing ballad meter and sonnet rhyme, but it has stuck with me since I wrote it like 12 years ago.

12 years ago = yesterday.

Your # 332 – Rachel Corrie said those words.

I have read about Rachel Corrie. I am glad you have taken care of her words –

somber note, and time to go to sleep here.

good night all, and sweet dreams.

brkly @#334:

if you’re still there, Evil Parallel’s scene of Fuckwad and Camus

is on the friday 9:00AM post “When Ned Met Hillary”.

it’s #21. the post gets pretty lively a little bit after EPU’s post.

hitting the sack- more later

Morning All from the Eastern Shores of the great Atlantic Puddle. 46 degrees and clear skies, little fire in the stove, all seems well……best wishes to y’all

Old Sow @ 340

Morning All from the Eastern Shores of the great Atlantic Puddle. 46 degrees and clear skies, little fire in the stove, all seems well……best wishes to y’all

From Alaska, where the sun went down 6 hours ago:

41 degrees here, and cloudy. If it was clear it would be colder.

ET, I want to take a little of the relative quiet here to tell you how much I appreciate your keeping us up to date with the spin towards war with Iraq. I read Antiwar as my other weblog, and I am sitting here each day horrified at the way this administration is crafting its again utterly impeachable imperative for expanded war in the middle east. I truly believe that their approach to evaluating the world’s problems and solutions is deeply flawed, and though I live quite far off the beaten path, the actions of our (ouch) leaders (no true leadership there) in DC will reach all of us at no matter the far distance from DC and the ME. Anyway, I don’t always respond over every comment deserving notice and merit, but I read nearly all yours, and I thank you for your concern and diligence. Respect……..

Old Sow @ 342

ET, I want to take a little of the relative quiet here to tell you how much I appreciate your keeping us up to date with the spin towards war with Iraq. I read Antiwar as my other weblog, and I am sitting here each day horrified at the way this administration is crafting its again utterly impeachable imperative for expanded war in the middle east. I truly believe that their approach to evaluating the world’s problems and solutions is deeply flawed, and though I live quite far off the beaten path, the actions of our (ouch) leaders (no true leadership there) in DC will reach all of us at no matter the far distance from DC and the ME. Anyway, I don’t always respond over every comment deserving notice and merit, but I read nearly all yours, and I thank you for your concern and diligence. Respect……..

Old Sow,
You may mean Iran near the top of your comment. Thanks!

I’d be in bed by now, Old Sow, but it is getting harder to sleep.

We’re being schlepped so bigtime.

Must read Newsweek article imo.
This could be the foundation for Democratic foreign policy in the ME.

How to Make Tehran Blink

“The best way to prevent a nuclear Iran is for America to offer the kind of security assurances that might reduce support for a nuclear arsenal.”

By Scott D. Sagan
Newsweek International

“Sept. 4, 2006 issue – Given Tehran’s defiant response to the European and American effort to constrain its nuclear program, it is time for bolder diplomacy out of Washington. U.S. President George W. Bush should take a page from the playbook of Ronald Reagan, who negotiated with an evil Soviet regime—competing in the war of ideas, but addressing the enemy’s security concerns through arms-control agreements.”

snip

Tehran’s response is predictable, however, because the offer on the table contains both inadequate economic carrots and barely credible threats of sanctions and military force.

snip

….This is partly a crisis of our own making, as the Bush administration has practiced the reverse of Teddy Roosevelt’s maxim—speaking loudly and carrying a small stick…..”

Bold is mine.

Thanks ET, I did mean Iran. Coffee is my friend, and preview is my friend and careful proofreading is my ally.

Morning John Casper, thanks for the link, I’ll read the whole article now……..

it’s afternoon noon, cloudy and cool in dresden and i must go into work and get some stuff ready for tomorrow.

edw*ard, there’s a really interesting quote i found a few months ago from something henry ford (of all people) wrote about how leaders get countries to go to war. i don’t have time to dig it up right now but how he spelled it out is very clear and very true and, as we know, has been used again and again over the centuries. our only hope is to keep making every effort we can to expose this insanity and educate as many people as we can. the other side (fuckwad and friends) will never give up and we must not either.

‘bye for now old sow, and you too edw*rd. back in a few hours for the rest of the crew.

Morning OS.

nuclear war or not?

you too, john…how true (’bout Teddy Roosevelt, etc)

Thanks fahrender, always nice to see you on a thread.

Anyone interested in responding to Scott Sagan about his Newsweek article, here’s his email:
ssagan at stanford dot edu

Certainly the US has taken a position that leaves little room for anyone else’s needs much less priorities. And this arrogance has been a hallmark of this administration, but also of the US historically. I am reading Kinzer’s Overthrow, and it seems that almost from the start, the nation has felt it had the right to have its way in this world. That was bad enough in the “olden” days, when wars were fought face to face, though rarely with any sort of equality wrt armaments. But with the potentials that are unleashed with the use of today’s weapons, it is no longer acceptable for one nation to hold to a position of economic and military dominance damn the expense (of all sorts) to the rest of the world.

A dyed in the wool Republican friend this week said to me that he would simply send the equivalent money we are spending each month waging war to Iraq to fix things up, and would just bring our soldiers home. Many Republicans are not at all like the more common face of this Administration, and are looking for ideas and results that mirror concerns among the progressive.

I think that a carefully crafted foreign policy that started with and ended with basic respect and a desire to get along would be immensely popular among Americans of many political opinions.

Morning/afternoon farender…..

and Ray McGovern’s take on the “Hoekstra” paper…this may have been linked here before, I don’t catch up on everything that happens here in between my visits……..http://www.antiwar.com/mcgovern/?articleid=9609

howdy kids. how is everyone today?

Well hi Twolf1, I don’t know why I start my day with the news….I wake up fresh and filled with peace and then just jump into it all….so I’m fine, how about you?

And by the way, this is an interesting article too…..

http://www.antiwar.com/orig/zu…..cleid=9605

Hi OS, I do the same ;) I see they have changed the projected course for currently-a-hurricane Ernesto to one that hits Cuba then crosses Florida west to east then basically goes right up the eastern seaboard.

http://skeetobiteweather.com/p…..m&m=05

-and – CNN juss reported – Iran test fired a sub to surface missile? I didn’t realize they had subs.

The Fox journalists held in Gaza have been released.

I tell ya, these nutbags in power the world over are so clueless about what we’ve got here on our beautiful planet earth and our awesome potential for good…Iran with submarines………okay. I guess there’s just one toybox out there…..

Don’t know if this article has been pointed out yet as I haven’t gone through the threads I missed. If so, sorry. If not, enjoy:

A book coauthored by NEWSWEEK’s Michael Isikoff details Richard Armitage’s central role in the Valerie Plame leak.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14…../newsweek/

CNN – medium sized passenger plane crashed – bluegrass airport – lexington KY

GOOD on the journalists being released………I wonder how much $$ changed hands to accomplish that……..

Iran fires missile from submarine
twolf1, my guess is that Iran wants to widen the range it has on anti-ship missles. Currently, IIRC, they have a Russian and Chinese anti-ship missles, supersonic, for which Rumsfeld has no defense. It will take out our aircraft carriers. Our troops are not the only ones without armor.
Again, IIRC, the primary weakness of the Russian and Chinese missles is their range. Sounds like this missle was Iranian made, but longer range. WAG Alert (wild ass guess).

iran sub missile:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..an_missile

JC – is this another case of Iran ‘test firing’ really old technology and pretending it is cutting-edge stuff that they just developed?

re: plane crash in KY – it was a com-air commuter plane, en route to Atlanta.

here’s an aticle ’bout the newly freed Fox journalists (is the term ‘fox journalists’ a contradiction in terms?)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..ournalists

more on the plane crash: ComAir flight 191 from Lexington to Atlanta- plane TRJ-100 – crashed on take or just after take-off. FAA reports 51 fatalities. unknown if there are any survivors but it doesn’t sound as if there are :(

I wonder how quickly the spin machine will go to work on the air crash….and I hope it was NOT anything fishy…….

twolf1, I think you are correct. This maybe a low cost alternative for the Russian “Sunburn” and whatever the Chinese call their’s. My guess is if the Iranians want to take out a very large, very slow, undefended target like an oil tanker, they don’t want to waste a supersonic missle on it.
Also, I may be wrong about US anti-missle capability. The Phalanx system doesn’t work, but evidently we have something new, which some commenters say does work. I don’t know, but I’m not going to take Rummy’s word for it.

Quick mid-evening drive-by from drenched and cooling down Yamato.
Good afternoon Eurofirepups, G’morning East Coasters …

Wait, didn’t the Mets win the World Series in 2000? That’s only 14 years . . . . oh, wait a minute, that’s right, the YANKEES won that one. Sorry, my mistake.

Hi Medaka, how goes it. It’s rainy here in PA too.

DKOS diarist wants to know:

Does anyone know if Sharon Ferrucci is related to CT Green Party candidate Ralph Ferrucci (also of New Haven)?

And a Good Evening to you Medaka. Nice to see you again. I’ll be getting back to you soon!!

But now I have to do a little preparation for guests for breakfast and then I hope to spend much of the day out of doors while it’s still comfortable to do so–summer, our fleeting season–so I’m out of here for a while. See y’all at the Book Salon.

Mornin’ Morning Crew,

anyone feel like a quick primer for me on the Iranians ?

it looks from here as if they are playing in to their enemies hands . . .by that I mean the now globally discredited WH is doing all this saber rattling and Iranian actions like this sub launch appear to validate the invalid US arguments

it’s early, first cup but vis-a-vis Israel/Hezbollah conflict, all the Iranians and Syrians had to do and did was appear to STFU and sit there with their hands folded in their laps while Israel/US were forced to wipe the geo political egg off their faces

just don’t get why they aren’t just stringing everyone along diplomatically while Richard Cheney pounds his little war drum . . .

it’s not like they need to prove to anyone how powerful they are – US is playing from the short stack, don’t get why the Iranians don’t just keep callin’ – it’s not like the current US crew doesn’t go all in every hand

anyway, am concerned this isn’t simple reciprocal bullheadedness on their part, they keep doing what they don’t need to do b/c someone, say the Chinese, have their back (and I’m not just talking oil futures)and this has emboldened them to keep raising

yeah, I know, I have some reading to do over at Prof. Cole’s place – but if someone ‘gets’ my question, I would appreciate a response

I’m off to foxwoods for a couple of days, if anyone is meeting for lunch, or wants to get together for dinner in ct, let me know, I’d love to meet some of the firedogs from this lake

anyway

speaking about the book salon, I don’t know if I’ll be able to make it next week when he’s here, but I would love to suggest to john an expose/biography on Woodward and his involvement in the Wilson affair

I would love to get his take on where bob went down the wrong path, if his deception was deliberate

I would love to get johns take on whether or not exposing Valry really had to do with eliminating the intelligence that would prevent them from completing the PNAC game plan to go from Iraq to Iran

obviously, if her husband would expose the hoax perpetrated on the military in Iraq, they would be concerned about her exposing the credibility of their case in Iran

I think he’s in a unique position for writing that kind of book

problem would be, that would need to get published before we went to war in Iran, after it would serve no good.

greenwald has an excellent post up pointing out that the president actually thinks congress is not involved in going to war in Iran, and that congress can’t rescind his authority to war in Iraq.

we need this information to be publicized before the damage is done, after the damage is done isn’t much help

cbl — Juan Cole today has some answers for you …

thanks *ilson,
I’m on it. suspect if I knew the right question, I’d know the answer

come back OS!, love hearing of your 49 deg mornings as I sit here at 7:45am with it 86 outside and 93% humidity – so damn hot for so damn long, the geckos, salamanders, and anoles have elected to spend August indoors, it’d be nice if they’d contribute to the energy bills . . .guess they consider insect predation as room and board *g*

astralplame @
218

But then I have heard a native German speaker say that Dutch isn’t a language, it is a throat disease.

chacun a son gout.

Gott fer domme!

Morning gang — new thread up top, for anyone who wants fresh digs. :)

neurophius @
85

So why isn’t Armitage being prosecuted?

emptywheel has a theory about that.

Morning Christy… How are you this fine Sunday morning?

Sonoma,
I can hardly feel the pain of a 49′ers fan. I wish I was around for ‘57.

Hi:

The guitarist is the wonderful George Barnes his own self. Was a quartet for many years with Ruby Braff — I have some vinyl I could send you mp3’s of if you like.

Love,

Jim

The guitarist is the wonderful George Barnes his own self. Was a quartet for many years with Ruby Braff — I have some vinyl I could send you mp3’s of if you like.

Love,

Jim

Very generous of you. I have no LP player anymore, but mp3’s are welcome. Thanks!