I’m quite pleased to see Hillary Clinton giving Ned Lamont real, and not just symbolic, support. Good for her. Next big contest: who will be the first big name Democrat to say Joe Lieberman (CFL-CT) should not be welcomed back into the Democratic caucus if he should win in November, now that he’s campaigning with in-state Republicans and rescinding his prior backing of Connecticut Democratic candidates (h/t xyz in the comments)?
Who will come out and say, publicly, Joe’s not welcome back in the tent, that doing Republican GOTV against Democrats is beyond the pale, not forgivable? Who will stand up as the first true Democrat of principle?
Will it be John Kerry?
Or John Edwards?
Or Frank Lautenberg?
Or Russ Feingold?
Hillary Clinton?
Al Gore?
Nancy Pelosi?
Rahm Emanuel?
Howard Dean?
Bill Clinton?
Who?
Let’s keep score, take names and make some phone calls next week. Harry Reid deserves pressure, but so do all the others, especially those in the Senate. Once one person comes out to say that Joe has left the party and is not welcome back, I’ll bet others will follow.
It’s time to expand the target field. Wouldn’t you expect one of the 2008 hopefuls to want to be the first Principled Pioneer on this? Since Joe has cut and run from, you know, Democratic voters and the Democratic Party, shouldn’t leading Democrats fall over each other to show us voters some stand and fight bona fides? I’m just sayin’.
Next week could be interesting.
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Hey Pach!
NED! !
Calling for Joe’s Expulsion…hmmm maybe…Hillary or the Big Dog? Maybe not.
Christy:
Thanks for the link to the Democrats report. I looked for it yesterday after I read about it, but of course I couldn’t find it because the traditional media don’t actually link to things.
I need it because I am working on my first campaign! My friend David Gereighty is running for Louisiana’s first congressional district seat against Bobby Jindal.
http://www.gereightyforcongress.com
I am so excited about working on my first campaign. Thanks for inspiring me every day! You women are truly and inspiration.
NED!
I think former Gov. Warner could do it or some other Dem out in the country who is close to the people.
It will be either he/she who has the least to lose or most to gain. The in betweens will take a wait and see attitude. My money is on Feingold.
Ned is the obvious candidate to call for joe to admit that he left the party. The party didn’t leave him.
After his latest backtracking, Joe is saying he is no longer a Democrat. Joe must go!
I’m not on the expel him from the Dem caucus bandwagon yet. I want Joe to be stripped of any committee positions now.
If Democrats win enough seats in the Senate this year to take the majority, then yeah, Joe has to go.
That’s why Lamont has to beat Joe.
Calling for Liebermans expulsion? All of these and more. Murtha would be good. Democrat governors would be good too. DiFi and so many others too.
Hardball…helarious…that Rocky guy vs some guy from Mississippi who said that Bush should resign immediately.
Helarious… I hope C&L has the clip it is funny.
One more poll trending toward Lamont, and this question won’t matter. In fact, these pols realize this; no need to waste a round on a dying duck.
MsAnnaNOLA @ 10
tweety ended up cutting them both off, ending the story.
You looking for a first.
Holy Joe, you must go. You are no longer a participating member of the Democratic caucus and Party!
See. That was easy
MsAnnaNOLA @
10
Watched it twice myself and loooooooved it! That was not just a guy– it was Dr. Ben Marble of the Cheney F*Y* moment in the aftermath of Katrina.
If it has to be a Senator, it’ll be Reid, almost certainly, just as a courtesy. But the push will come from Dodd and Hillary.
OK, I know that I am very results oriented person, but,
Does anyone know what the actual process is to strip a duly elected Democratic Party Senator of his or her seniority?
That is, if I wanted to strip Joe (or anyone else) of his seniority what needs to be done? Specifically, who (or what group) gets to decide? What specific grounds for removal are recognized? How long will the process take?
Does anyone here know?
Your daily gas and oil prices
Average price for regular gasoline 8/25/06 in 50 states and DC
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Average national price: $2.891, down $.014
Highest recorded national average price: $3.057 9/5/2005
Highest average price: Hawaii $3.369
Lowest average price: Ohio $2.676
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Dated Brent Spot $71.74, down $.70
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Gas continues to decline. Oil is in a holding pattern. Tropical storm Ernesto is in the Caribbean. Prices will move next week according to its track and power.
Armitage met with Woodward and then Tom Cruise??????????????
WTF?
joe doesn’t believe in the Democratic process, he’s already proved that. The danger still lies that joe wants to be a martyr. He didn’t come by the name holy joe for nothing. Ned can challenge him because he’s the opponent, now that he’s a non-combatant Gore could challenge him. Of course I still think that we could send him a cookbook-Chicken Feces for the Soul or something similar.
Hey hey, ho ho,
Holy Joe has got to go!
Come on, everybody now…
Hey hey…
angie @ 18
one word: Aliens!
Ho Ho.
IMHO, either Howard Dean (DNC) or Harry Reid (Minority Leader) should be the ones to do it. I’m not sure if Harry has the grambah though, if you know what I mean.
It will probably end up being Russ Feingold, that mensch!
angie @
18
Maybe he should’ve met with Pablo Cruise.
Just curious, when are the next polling results released?
Pelosi’s got some odd dynamics going on. As Dem leader in the House, she’s got every right to be more than a little ticked at Joe for not just backing away from the Dem House candidates in CT but also actively campaigning with their republican opponents. On the other hand, as the rep from SF, she’s had to speak not only for herself but also those members of the Dem caucus who don’t want to be labelled as “SF democrats” either because they are more conservative or represent more conservative districts. (Although IMHO, “SF Dem” is a badge of honor – right TeddySF, punaise, and the rest of us out here?)
Bottom line – I think she’d like to do it, she’d really like to do it, but she’s got to be second or third, not first.
Boxer? Feinstein? Don’t make me laugh.
An alternative to booting Joe completely would be to “censure” Joe for rejecting the party primary result and working against the House Dems in retaking control of that body. If done now, it might make Joe think twice about any repeat campaign appearances at the very least. It also puts the onus back on Lieberman, to answer the question “are you or are you not a Democrat?” If the censure carried with it a warning – veiled or otherwise – that continued rejection of the party would likely result in further sanction when the next Senate organized itself (ie, office in the basement, last choice of committees, etc.), it might get Joe to either put up or shut up.
This kind of resolution might get some of the Senate Dems off the fence, and it’s the kind of thing they could put out there without feeling like they’ve kicked someone out.
Hmmmm . . . rough idea, needs more work, but worth thinking about. Reactions, anyone?
angie @ 13
That explains a lot. I didn’t know he he was…
My fingers are crossed that Russ will do it (go for it, Russ!)
well, thank goodness, that KO’s stand in just explained why I cannot get my LTE’s and letters to the government answered, much less printed.
Colin Powell’s no. 2 man meets with Babs Woodward and Tom Cruise?
somebody help us!!!!!!!
only the Democratic Caucus of the Senate can strip Joe of seniority benefits. Actually, it takes the vote of the entire Senate to do so so technically the GOP Caucus could restore them…
It should be remembered that he was elected as Senator by the voters of Connecticut and will remain so until noon, January 3rd, 2007.
umm, Fidelity III is the name of the former Bush’s fishing boat…
Whatever happened to Fidelity I and II???
immanentize @ 16
Who does it? – the party caucus within the body (house or senate)
What grounds? – Some written stuff, but mostly any grounds they choose to apply. Generally this has been done in the past when the criminal process is moving too slowly to push someone aside and the party doesn’t want to get dragged down by association (visualize the ads running against them: “They tolerate lawbreakers in that caucus . . .”)
How fast? – As fast as seems expedient and appropriate.
All in all, it’s pretty slippery or flexible, depending on your point of view. It goes back to the “organization of the House/Senate” resolution that gets passed at the beginning of each session, setting up the number of seats on each committee for each party.
All this is from watching the process at a distance, not from having been part of it. Corrections, clarifications, amendments and extensions of these remarks are not only in order but are strongly encouraged.
Please forgive a moment of blogwhoring. If you wanted to participate in that Political Spectrum blog article I am working on, please click on my name, and go to my blog, and scroll down and read the instructions (should take someone about 5ish minutes of their time). I will stop tracking new data this Sunday night, the 27th.
If you already did the questionnaire and reported the results, thanks for helping!
OT- but does anyone have egregious’s email addy? I would like to contact her, to see how she is doing. You can email me at tenureransom AT hotmail DOT com. Thanks all. VG
OT: I read in New Orleans City Business that there is a real shortage of poll workers for the upcoming election. Since being a poll worker is a way to “fight the right” and all that, I thought I would post the link to the article here for NOLA folks. If you can volunteer please do so.
http://www.neworleanscitybusin…..ailyUpdate
There I was, commenting away, did anyone come and get me? Feel kinda silly now.
Whatever happened to Fidelity I and II???
I’m afraid they went under, so to speak, during the great S&L debacle of 1989.
I really think Holy Joe has more than demonstrated that he will not back down no matter what happens. His wounded ego and pride won’t allow it, and he would never take any sort of risk to bring that kind of shame to his new Republican Family. He’s lost his marbles.
LieberLIAR is REFUSING to endorse the Dem congressional candidates in Conn, now because he says they are supporting his opponent Ned Lamont…TIME TO THROW THE TROLL OUT….get busy on those phones…let’s not let up!
Why wait for the election. He is now with the enemy, thus, is the enemy. Kick him out now. Don’t let any voter go to the polls thinking he has a choice of Democrats.
I’m a bit wary of the “purge” criticisms that have been leveled at the Joester. That said, I think it’s just fine that if he drops out of the race and “remains a Democrat” that there are no hard feelings, but running under a different non-party should surely trigger some party mechanisms.
It will come in stages. It’s more effective that way. The steady drum beat of endorsements of Lamont and the steady criticism and ultimate censure of Lieberman. Yeah, it could have happened on Wednesday morning but to less effect.
purge him, throw him up now, spew forth Progressives!
yesterday!
ack, ack!
Stuart Eugene Thiel @
15
Of course, that’s only if Reid wants to keep his bona fides as leader.
OT imm- just sent you another p.s. email. VG
angie @
29
What did KO’s stand in say?
Boxer? Feinstein? Pelosi?
Boxer Feinstein Pelosi = The Indie-Joe Girls
If Reid doesn’t act NOW it will be too late….I hope that now that LieberLIAR will not support the other Dems, so of the leaders will HVE to renounce his crap!
Sorry, Pach, but I still think this is unnecessary and possibly counterproductive.
If someone is self destructing, you don’t need to be seen shooting them! Joe is self-destructing.
JL’s actions today provide still more reasons for party officials to say, “I don’t agree with what he’s doing by not supporting our candidates and appearing at campaign events with Republicans,” when asked what they think of Joe not endorsing the Dem candidates. They can say, “I fully support our candidates and I’m glad to see Ned Lamont, our candidate, fully supporting them too. I support Lamont.” That’s what Joe just gave us, and we should take it.
Tommorrow, Joe will do something else, because he’s in a spiral, and that will be another opportunity. I think patience will pay off, while demanding the whole thing immediately will not. In fact, if nothing else were to happen, I would predict that virtually none of the people on your list will do what you’re suggesting, and if one or two do, they will be isolated by others, who will feel forced to say, “we don’t agree.”
How does this help Lamont?
Lamont’s friendly meeting with Senator Clinton will signal to the old power brokers of the Democratic Party that Lieberman is toast. Hillary took the first step Election Night with her $5000 to Ned in dumping Lieberman …
zennurse @
47
just that Rich Amitage met with thos two blokes on his official calender… I mean, how much time does that leave us citizens?
Quickie OT:
Dr Turtle has returned! Safe and Sound. Thanks to all for the support.
inthedoghouse….this has NOTHING to do with lamont…this has to do with WHAT IS RIGHT…..we need to be strong as a party and letting LieberLIAR walk all over the other Dems in his state is a disgrace….
off subject: Dear EPU: I left a response to you in previous thread. Nothing earth-shattering! Back to regular programming all.
Ghostman
zennurse @ 36
Lotsa times dead threads can keep going, zombie-like, until the conversation is finished. Makes sense to me.
Big Dawg
please add an R to Amitage above and thank you Ms. HSAT!
Okay guys. Was I the only one to hear it? Or am I round-the-bend hearing what I wanna hear???
David Shuster MSNBC Hardball Correspondent, on 20060825, referred to Sen. Joe Lieberman, as
“the President’s favorite former Democrat.”
Now I’ll admit, I helped split & stack firewood all day, so maybe I succumbed to the high-80’s & muggy heat here, or ….
Did NO one else hear that? I wanna hear the tape! *g*
HopeSpringsATurtle @ 53
Hooraaaaaaay!
Too bad that Tom Cruise is such a jerk. I like a lot of his movies. For me it doesn’t get much better than “A Few Good Men”. Though I think Demi Moore and J.T. Walsh stole the show. The late great J.T. Walsh. Did you know Walsh was a social worker, junior high school teacher and former president of the political organization, SDS, Students for a Democratic Society before becoming an actor? Walsh played right-wingers to a tee. Ronald Reagan absolutely hated Walsh’s SDS.
HopeSpringsATurtle @ 53
Hurray!!
i heard it, too. when the heating oil runs out, can i come stay near your house Adie?
seriously, we got us one of them new fangled pellet stoves and a pile of sweaters and comforters.
fashion? not a worry, … ‘ere!
Peterr @
26
damn straight! (OK, so that doesn’t play in Peoria…)
Plame – I still don’t get why Rove isn’t on the playlist for the Libby trial.
Lieberman – I think that it looks like “mean girls” stuff that will get attributed back to Lamont, unless there is an important issue coming up between now andNov where Lieberman just can’t really be trusted. JMO, fwiw
Holy Joe’s refusal to endorse the capture of Republican House seats by Democrats is an astounding blunder. How could he be so oblivious to the wrath he’d incur? It rivals his oblivousness to the chaos of Iraq.
LindaR @ 62
turtle springs a hope!
Franco @ 54
No one is advocating letting Joe “walk all over the other Dems” in your state. The question is, what’s the best way to turn the fact that he did walk all over them against Joe, so that (1) he loses to Lamont [yes, this is about Lamont] and (2) the other Dems win?
ccmask @ 1
ccmask, how are you feeling?
HopeSpringsATurtle @ 53
Yay!!
‘Predicting is hard, especially the future.’ Who said that, Yogi Berra, or some mayor? Anyway, since the naive hippy whiney juvenile lefty blogs and their associated commentators are batting about 1000 on predicting Joe’s behavior, and the very wise grown-up responsible and very knowing corporate Dems are batting about zero, when will some very very wise grown-up responsible and very knowing corporate media pundits notice? Will it change their minds some, or will they stick with there usual reasoning? IMO, their usual reasoning would be that recent history proves how the very wise grown-up responsible and very knowing (VWGURAVK) the usual gang of idiots (UGOI) is . Yeesh, even some one like me can learn! Just exactly what more does this weasel need to do?
As for Lieberman’s campaign: got content yet? You, know, about stuff like, oh… you know… war and peace, terrorism policy, non-proliferation economics, wages… Not that I’ve heard. Maybe no time for that trivia after bogus gotcha, smearball, and tactical backstab games.
But it occurs to me that Joe has gone McCain on us, so there is some content on Iraq, terrorism and non-proliferation and Middle East: Bomb ‘em. Except McCain can at least show that his brain works to some extent and he can explain why that approach probably won’t work well at all before we go ahead and do it anyway. Because not doing that will look weak, even if it won’t work. That is how one gets strong, stays strong, and looks strong, you know, doing stuff that looks strong even though it doesn’t work. See, it works in reality even though that script would get lauged at in a movie.
I have to say Feingold too. He’ll finally get exasperated again with the lack of truth and leadership. He’s the only one that has the real nads to speak up, just like he did with the censure resolution.
Shez @ 72
I think you are right. Feingold is a true Dem.
al-Scooter @ 70
Yeah Yay!
Olberman stand-in – “Ann Coulter’s kryptonite is… pure reason.” BWAHAHA
good ember. Thanks for asking. And HSAT-good for you both!
op99 @ 75
jest getting up off the floor, i am!
If I were a betting man I would not bet on any big political name demanding that Joe not caucus with the Dems should he win in November. They may do it in private and amongst themselves, but I seriously doubt there will be a public demand.
You can say they are a bunch of cowards and be correct, but the political calculus of taking such a step on a presumptive event happening in the future is not in the nature of these extraordinarily attuned political denizens.
I think the best we can expect is for as many senior Dems as possible to endorse Lamont, throw him some real support, and shun Lieberman.
I would accept that as fair enough.
Russ.
KO’s stand-in is Brian Unger http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Unger
Janet @ 79
He did sidestep this very issue on the last Sunday talker I saw him on, though.
HopeSaT
So glad to hear from you and REALLY GLAD Dr. Turtle is OK and and home safe and sound.
immanentize @
16
I’ve been doing some reporting on this, but I can’t write it up tonight. Short answer: first, a secret ballot in the Dem caucus, then supposedly, approval by whole senate. Senators can only vote for a period of time covering their own terms.
Christy, are you lurking about?
I would like to know if it would be O.K. with you to re-post the last couple of paragraphs of your EPU response to Lisadawn? I think it’s relevant to any thread.
To answer the question…..I’ll pick either Gore or Dean. Gore might do it because he no longer is beholden to the powers-that-be. Dean might be the one since he is “the voice of the Democratic Party”.
Ghostman
Welcome home, Hope!
OJS #78: This is not snark, but in the passage below, what do you mean by “attuned”? To what, for what purpose, how? To me it seems attuned to being, and correctly being taken for abject, clueless chumps, or ‘lets see if we can weasel out a Senate majority with this weasel’ weasels. How is being attuned in this way good?
“You can say they are a bunch of cowards and be correct, but the political calculus of taking such a step on a presumptive event happening in the future is not in the nature of these extraordinarily attuned political denizens.”
but… if the Lieberman shunning is really strong, and the Lamont support is really strong, I’ll take it.
EPUed from the last comments: to Christy:
Then go on to bed. We’ll be good…maybe :). Just stay healthy. We need clarity now more than ever.
Al. Gore.
It will be Al. Gore.
Busted at 84 — feel free. Am still wrestling with the damn HTML for a post for tomorrow. I may give up soon…I think the cold meds are screwing up what little computer acumen I have.
OT, but:
Bush: “I’m responsible for the Federal government.”.
Um, what about the other two branches of the Federal government? And the Constitution?
Christy,
if Lil Peanut is in bed my only suggestion is,
Give it up Hon’, 2 shots of Nyquil and lights out.Get some rest, please. Hope you feel better soon.
kinda OT – Unger is a lot of fun – it would be nice to see someone like creepy Beck get ditched and someone like Unger get his own slot.
more OT – At least someone is getting greeted like liberators in Iraq these days.
British Leave Iraqi Base; Militia Jubilant
Somewhere, you just know Wolfowitz is getting a bit teary eyed, muttering into a cracked mug of cheap whiskey, “those should have been MY flowers…”
I’ll make a Dodd call tomorrow. If he’s serious about this presidency business, this would be an opportunity to get out in front.
McClaughlin(sp) on the McClauglin group just called LieberLIAR disgraceful!…LOL
Tony TROLL Blankley said he hopes the Dems throw out RG Joe, because he should be a ReTHUGlican
LindaR @
62
Welcome back to both of you, HopeSAT!
I got to ask, since I’m new to the site. Stephen Elliot on HuffPo has challenged the assertion that Lieberman was campaigning with GOPers.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..27997.html
What’s the deal? Is he talking about the same event? Are there other indications that missed? What’s the deal?
it would be impolitic for the National Chair of the Democratic Party to openly call for the Senate Democratic Caucus to call for the stripping of Lieberman’s seniority.
The best person to do it would be Al Gore as an ex-Senator. He’s not running for anything and is just a private citizen nowadays. (dammit)
I CAN’T believe this hasn’t been done already now that he’s campaigning with re puke licans
this is UNACCEPTABLE
when cheney, hannity, rush, and bush himself campaign for a politician, YOU CAN BET YOUR BOTTOM DOLLAR HE IS IN THE POCKET OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY
it’s time for him to GO
HopeSpringsATurtle @ 53
Oh, such good news. xxoo
wes, 87:
All politicians are “attuned” to the need to survive politically. This is their measure of what risks they are willing to take. Politics is a game of risk measurement and risk taking. They prefer not to take risks with a negative reward ratio. Their calculus of the possibilities constitutes their “attunement” to what they perceive in the political lanscape. If their attunement leads them to take a cowardly position, well that’s what they will do.
Other than that I don’t think we disagree on anything.
angie 63
Bless you! I may be crazy, but they’ll have to find other evidence. And fashion? pshaw!
This is only house we’ve ever owned. We had one chance to change fuel when we finally replaced an elderly furnace a few yrs ago, & we stuck with oil. (apparently a good decision in disguise at the time in OH because, as soon as the gas lines were connected in our area, natural gas prices soared in spite of all advertisements & predictions – surprise surprise)
Fireplace is all we’ve got (e.g., no serious stove, etc.), & it’s more of a mind-comfort sorta thing, as well as a HUGE luxury item for the 2 kitties – overall probably tries to pull out more heat than it makes, so we have the glass doors, tend the flue without fail, close most heat vents elsewhere when it’s going & turn furnace way down etc., – all done occasionally in winter, just to enjoy the nostalgia.
Most of the downed trees on our property simply feed the carpenter ants, thence the Pileated Woodpeckers, who are trying to decide whether to stay around, or not, on our little bitty bit of conservation easement-protected woodland, surrounded by galloping slueburbia.
Frankly, we get considerable warmth from FDL! ;->
Well, as far as not supporting other Dems in CT, off the blogs and right into the paper:
http://www.newhavenindependent…..ant_jo.php
Uhh, Joe? First lesson of crisis management? When in a hole, stop digging.
Re posted with permission. Edited to get to the salient point.
Jane and I cannot be online every minute of every day. (As it is, I get little enough time for my family and myself these days because we are so busy.) We rely on our volunteer moderators to keep the discussion moving along — and by and large they do a great job for us. Lately, there has been a lot of questioning of what it is that they and Jane and I and other do — but you know, I’ve been thinking that perhaps we should just allow all the spam, and nastiness and everything else creep into a thread or two so everyone could see how things COULD be without all the work that everyone puts in behind the scenes.
It’s a thankless job, to moderate — you are accused of taking things too far by half the readers, and accused of not doing your job quickly enough by the other half. I have to say that I am personally very happy to have them all — because my life would be that much more exhausting without them.
Thanks Moderators, and everyone involved in keeping the joint going.
( not now lotus, later)
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore @ 90
I hope so, fervently.
Do you try to kill someone who is already committing suicide?
Someone in a thread yesterday (I think) said something about in days of yore, someone from the caucus would be deputized to deliver the message and a weapon or poison or some such thing and the traitor would be expected to go into a room and privately finish themselves off. In Japan it would be sepuku.
Someone needs to go pay Joe a visit and tell him to do the “honorable” thing.
Problem is that Joe is long past being honorable.
What will happen is anybody’s guess, but he sure is doing quite a job of finishing himself off.
The fact that, in a time where Dems are desparately hoping to regain the House, Lieberman refuses to endorse not one, not two, but all three Dems running for Congress in his state – that’s pretty big, or, more accurately, pretty small of him.
The weight of so many grudges must slow down his polka.
Pach — that is really what I was looking for. Thanks! I hope you stay on this, especially the sad little detail of only being able to vote on someone who post-dates your presence in the senate. Does that mean when Lieberman was originally elected (18 years ago?) or just that no one elected for the first time since 2000 can participate?
Thanks again
RevDeb @ 106
seppuku is not an option with a dishonorable man, Rev Deb.
Cheers Adie!
joe seems to be self destructing, his non-combatant line was a joke, why make him a martyr now. Democrats would do better by saying poor joe, he must have eaten more of that chicken hawk feces that the president has been spreading. Of course, some can come up with more political correct terminology. joe’s prize should be his concession speech.
Angie,
You’re right. But wouldn’t that be a gesture to restore honor?
seppuku is not an option with a dishonorable man,
Paging Darkblack, Please use the white courtesy phone nearest you.
Bustednuckles (112),
Shouldn’t that be a black courtesy phone, in this instance?
Mike V. @ 113
But of course!
Bustednuckles @ 112
yes, that would be choice!
Bustednuckles
I think most of us are color-blind.
Pick-up, Darkblack. hello?
What Vicki said.
Now that would be justice, the kind he deserves so richly, the kind that we would be so very happy to see.
Al Gore, sir, please ask Joe to give up his status as a member of the Democratic Party.
And Senator Reid, you can yank Joe’s seats any time now. There would be no need to worry about these seats being at risk for caucus with Republicans if they were simply taken out of play. Any use they have for leverage is now gone.
Yank ‘em.
RevDeb @ 115
And PLEASE use the one with the runny mascara!
Hurricane Katrina Sucked by Dr. Ben Marble.
NYTimes
MOSCOW, Aug. 25 — Russia’s defense minister said Friday that it was premature to consider punitive actions against Iran despite its refusal so far to suspend its efforts to enrich uranium as the United Nations Security Council has demanded.
Although Russia agreed to the Security Council’s resolution on July 31, Defense Minister Sergei B. Ivanov’s remarks made it clear that Russia would not support taking the next step that the United States and Britain have called for: imposing sanctions against Iran or its leaders over its nuclear programs. The Council set Aug. 31 as the deadline for Iran to respond to its demand.
Russia has repeatedly expressed opposition to punitive steps, even as President Vladimir V. Putin and others have called on Iran to cooperate with international inspectors and suspend its enrichment activity.
But on Friday Mr. Ivanov went further, saying the issue was not “so urgent” that the Security Council should consider sanctions and expressing doubt that they would work in any case.
I posted this on an earlier thread, in reaction to Lieberman’s “I’m a non-combatant” pronouncement:
Since this pretty much sums up his conflict in whether he is or is not a Democrat, I think it won’t be long before his Democratic persona asks his CT for Lieberman Persona to resign from the committees he/they are on…
Malcolm- thanks for the links.
“I’m a non-combatant,” Lieberman declared. “I am not going to be involved in other campaigns. I think it’s better if I just focus on my own race.”
Oh, that does say so much! 1) Lieberman is focused on Lieberman 2) “non-combatant” Lieberman… oh ho. A friend of mine went to visit Joe in DC to talk to him about environmental issues a good time back, and unexpectedly was recieved by a former squash partner… who said… blah blah blah, but he’s a terrible Hawk. And this was 10 years ago. Non-combatant war-mongering Lieberman. Beginning to sound a lot like… Bushco. (”beginning” = snark, BTW).
Gore, Feingold, Edwards. There are some really good Democrats out there for 2008. Why are we being force fed Hillary? And who’s behind the force feed. Besides Hill and Bill of course. Is it just the DLC? Are other forces at work here that I just don’t understand?
immanentize #16,
Senators put in their preferences to the Steering and Coordination Committee made up of the Senate Leader, Whip, and others. Each Senator is required to serve on two A committees and may serve on one B committee and any number of C committees. Of the A committees, Democratic Senators are allowed by their Conference to serve on only one of the Super As: Appropriations, Armed Services, Finance, and Foreign Relations. The Steering Committee passes its nominations to the Democratic Conference which approves it and sends it on to the Senate where it is incorporated into a resolution. Each party pretty much stays out of the selection process of the other. Seniority on a committee usually follows length of service in the Senate but doesn’t have to.
So as has been said above, the Democratic Conference could strip Lieberman of his seniority anytime they wanted. If a Senate resolution was needed to make it official, this could be appended to any resolution and it would be dangerous and unprecedented for the other party to interfere.
My question would be how this would affect things not at the committee level but at the subcommittee level. With little time left in this Congress, Senators just might feel it wasn’t worth the bother.
Committee Assignments
Peterr @
26
Damn straight.
Oh Anne, you always blow me away with your astute comments! AnneGold!
I ♥ Vicki who ♥s Al Gore
{{waves}} Hello there!
Sure wish you would post here a lot more….
DANG, I’m having the hardest time keeping up with y’all t’day!
HOPESTER & DOC & SUBSER & CON (along with all attendees of the last thread), include yo’ fannies in on the message here.
bdu @ 125
Funny, thats exactly what punaise said. The little prankster, anyway.
Valley Girl…
What up?
I’m still in Palm Bay. Ugh.
.
Pach, imm, the quote below is from a Susan Haight AP article.
“….On Thursday, the registrar of voters in Lieberman’s hometown of New Haven rejected a petition from a group of peace activists to eject Lieberman from the Democratic party because he’s running for office with his own party.
The law allows for expulsion from a party if the party member runs for office as part of another political party. Some experts said that expulsion would be up to the local registrar of voters and the local party chairman.
Had the registrar accepted the petition, a hearing could have followed in which Lieberman would be required to argue that he still follows the ideals of the Democratic Party.
“The Democratic Party is founded upon principles of inclusion and diversity of opinion and the promotion of debate,” Democratic registrar Sharon Ferrucci said. “I do not intend to summon anyone enrolled in my party to defend the good faith and bona fide nature of their affiliation with the Democratic Party.” Bold is mine.
If the Democratic party either at the local or National level decides to formally acknowledge that Joe has left the Democratic party, they have to be very careful. Joe will try to portray himself as the victim.
Ghostman – I saw. Thank you.
…or those whose leadership of the House depends upon a Democratic Majority.
C’mon, Blue America candidates and Fighting Dems, show the Incumbency Festival how to lead!
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Had Enough?
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Lol Teddy. Had to mess with ya man.
BobbyG @ 130
BobbyG- semester’s about to start, and I have 9 new lectures to write. Nothing compared to dealing with family/ parent stuff, tho. I have not been keeping up on my reading of FDL threads as much as in the past. But, I did see something about AC, expired (not) liscence tag, etc. I hope you are doing something to keep yourself sane. Much love. VG
HopeSAT, thrilled to hear you and Dr. Turtle are back and safe.
NEW HAVEN, Conn. – Sen. Joe Lieberman, the three-term Democrat whose independent campaign for re-election is being seen as a referendum on the Iraq war, said Friday he would consider taking a look at a fellow lawmaker’s proposal for a timeline for troop withdrawals.
http://www.examiner.com/a-2434….._Plan.html
bwahahahaha
Bustednuckles @ 129
although, in deference to Peterr, man of the cloth, we probably shouldn’t say damn, and straight may not be inclusive enough for TeddySF….
Hugh at 124 –
That decision is made at the beginning of every new congress. Can the caucus really change the assignements at any time?
Let us say I really wanted Dodd to be stripped of his seniority — just a majority of the caucus could do that at any time?
Also, it strikes me that the other party (which is currently the majority) would be more interested in preventing Lieberman from having his seniority stripped than afraid of any precedent — especially considering the rare if not unique quality fo a party stripping its own member of seniority at any time other than at the constitution of a congress.
punaise,
No zigaurrats for me today, thanks.
Peterr has probly heard worse.(Hail Mary, full of grace)
And Teddy is way cool too.
p.s. BobbyG- my downstairs toilet flooded last night- thankfully only water, and not “turds that won’t flush”. I did recall that earlier great line of yours, amidst the mess!!! So funny. Did you say “Leaverman is that turd that won’t flush?”
Hi BobbyG!
Cozumel @ 138
Yeah, I heard this tonight, and almost drove off the road…and what had me yelling at the radio (again) is that his comment was phrased as though this was the first credible proposal he had heard of…as if Kerry and Feingold and other Democrats had not already come up with plans for withdrawal. Which made him look even more like he has been completely disconnected from the Democratic Party for waaaay longer than just since the primary.
Joe Lieberman makes me want to puke. Is that considered a purge?
-GSD
It’s a thankless job, to moderate — you are accused of taking things too far by half the readers, and accused of not doing your job quickly enough by the other half.
I’m promoting a Third Way*: just be patient.
*(or, to work in my second Car Talk reference of the day, “stay tuned for the third half of the show”)
Most of our leading Democrats are fear-driven. They aren’t leaders used to taking bold steps. They will wait until conditions on the ground in CT change to the point that Lieberman’s candidacy is no longer viable. Then they will raise their timid voices. They are afraid of alienating him and driving him into the Republican camp. Most of them aren’t bright enough to realize that he is already there.
John Casper,
I agree. The local attempt to have his voter registration party changed seemed symbolic only. And as with most symbols, it would have worked in more than one direction to different people.
A national movement to strip Joe of seniority before the election seems practically undoable. And therefore it is a negative drag on the concept of positively assisting Ned to win.
punaise @ 146
You wouldn’t be referring to “Click and Clack”
would you?
Cozumel @ 138
Great catch, Cozumel. I love this quote:
He’s just said the sooner we get out, the better it will be for everyone, and it will be a disaster for everyone.
Just let the guy self destruct.
No, GSD, puke is when you are poisoned or sickened. Purge is when you want to be skinny and cute– not good, but self ordained.
Puke works for me.
Hi Bobby G! I hope your time in Fla is not entirely sad. Remember, in everyone’s life, there is a horn section.
VG. If I get to your neighborhood anytime soon, I will fix your plumbing.
punaise- I don’t listen to NPR very often, but CarTalk is a fave. I didn’t see your earlier ref. As a scientist, I enjoy Car Talk, because the discussion is usually “hypothesis-driven”. Not to mention sponsors Dewey, Cheatem and Howe.
Peterr @
26
Barbara Boxer cited her “loyalty and friendship” with RGJoe when she campaigned with him (thanks, Maura!). She owes her supporters the benefit of a two-way street. Surely Senator Boxer’s friendship with RGJoe couldn’t trump her desire for a House that could investigate and possible impeach this President.
Could it?
Could it?
RGJoe’s gotta go, Senator Boxer. You are uniquely positioned to convey this message to your loyal friend.
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And, Cozumel –
I hope your BIRTHDAY was most excellent!
punaise @ 139
Well, as we say around these parts, “gayly forward is always an option”. But maybe that’s just a southbay thing…
The Tappet Brothers rule.
oh, Donita!!!!!
Kurt @
33
I had fun doing this and recommend it.
angie @ 157
Actually, Donita rules the Tappet Brothers….
immanentize @ 152
Omigod, that sounds like an offer I can’t refuse!!!
prolly so, immanentize!
what a lady she is!!!
VG,
You can see the law offices of Dewey, Cheatem & Howe when standing in Harvard Square.
There is a second or third floor office window that has the names in gold leaf that are clearly visible when standing near the newspaper stand looking south east from the square.
I always get a chuckle to see a 3 Stooges reference in public.
-GSD
Bustednuckles @ 149
why, yes, the Tappett (sp?) Brothers
Valley Girl @ 153
the “credits” at the end of the show are the best part (polling by Marge Inovera, etc.). my earlier reference was towards the end of the “horsey” pun thread this morning (PDT), regarding my substantial contribution to its descent in to silliness: “well you’ve done it again; wasted a perfectly good hour…”
Bill Clinton should do it. He campaigned for Joe when Lieberman needed it most. Unlike Joe, Bill appears to be willing to abide by the results of a Democratic democratic process. If Bill is silent and does not rebuke Joe, it is as good as endorsement because people will assume he has not changed his mind from his meddling primary endorsement.
immanentize @ 148
You beat me to my point. If the first call to shun Joe got all the support of, oh, say, the resolution to censure Bush, that would probably do more harm than good. And there’s a real seat at stake here. Now, if the leadership could whip the caucus into shape behind the scenes first – that would really be something.
GSD @ 162
GSD,
Yes, I’ve seen it often and wondered who really rents that space behind the windows. But it always causes a chuckle.
found this in a DKos thread:
immanentize @ 152
Will you marry me?
GSD- you mean they are not making this part up?
VG -
Yeah, “the turd that won’t flush.” Actually that was originally a quote used by an Alabama local about Pet Rock Judge Roy Moore.
Angie !!!
xoxoxo
My grandmother, (95 and counting) clips out Click&Clacks articles and sends them to me.
Hilarious. Esp the Bustednuckles Viewpoint.
Btw,I noticed years ago that most mechanics talk to themselves. So at least, you good people aren’t the only ones who have to put up with my wanderings.
*g*
immanentize -
You ROCK!!
Whu’sup?
Perhaps wrt Joe a good tactic for Dems is to call Joe a DESERTER, emphasizing that Joe has left the party, eg. campaigned with Repubicans, not that the Party is expelling him.
GSD- from RevDeb, it seems that you are not making this up. I would sure like a pic of that!!!!!!!
op99 @ 168
Damn, get in line. This ain’t no ordinary attorney. We’re talking about a plumber here.
If you ever listen to Garrison Keillor, read this short piece that will make your gooseflesh and your ire rise– read the rest when you can.
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0824-28.htm
I think it will be probably John Kerry. It seems that he has been the most critical of Lieberman so far and he is eager to get support if he runs again in 2008.
I have to say that whoever calls first for Lieberman’s expulsion will score points with me and I will consider voting for him/her in the democratic primary in 2008 (if he/she will be running for president of course).
{ { { HAPPY BIRTHDAY COZUMEL!!! } } }
In defense of San Francisco Democrats, I just have to point out that San Francisco Democrats:
– just compromised on how much employers ought to pay into the new Municipal Health Plan For All
– have TWO party clubs, one named for the late Harvey Milk and the other for Alice B. Toklas
– stopped marrying everyone only when ordered to stop by a judge
– got Catholic Charities to spin-off their adoption program into a subsidiary that won’t discriminate against families who want children
– have a Congresswoman who saved Social Security (not ALONE, like RGJoe did the sub base!) for all of us
– are willing not to elect a NUT to Congress (which we could do!) in order to provide some national leadership!
Thanks. I’m done now.
op99 @ 168
OK, double entendre noted. I am obviously in deep water after that comment. I ought to wrench my self away from this (pipe) thread and go to s(l)eep.
Tanks!
and pleseant dream.
Maybe someone should make sure there’s a full-length mirror at every Lieberman campaign appearance, so that the voters can always see that there are two Joes…
John Casper- AWOL?
Blue Wind @ 177
I don’t know, Dean’s sure been giving Lieberdweeb some strong words when making the TV rounds lately, at least as strong if not moreso than Kerry’s.
immanentize ain’t jest any lawyer.
mmanentize #140
Assignments and seniority are different. Senators must serve on two A committees. If a Senator is independent, he or she caucuses with the party they feel closest to and get their assignments through that conference.
As regards seniority, Republicans have a fairly standardized seniority system. Democrats don’t. In my reading of the Sourcebook link in my previous comment, stripping someone of seniority in a committee assignment is not a procedure that is exactly foreseen. OTOH they make it clear that seniority in a committee is not an absolute in the Democratic Conference but flows from the Conference’s deliberations. So if the Conference wished to chastize a member, I think it would certainly be able to do so and not have to wait until the beginning of the next Congress.
The Republicans would not be likely to interfere because the Golden Rule of politics is what goes around comes around and interfering in the Democratic Conference would invite similar interference in their own if and when they were in the minority.
immanentize @ 180
No, really, the toilet fixing IS the attraction, zero entendres.
Nobody is talking about it much, but doesn’t it seem that Schlesinger is going to come under huge pressure to get out of the race to the advantage of Lieberman? I would think Rove will pull out every trick he knows to make that happen…
BobbyG
I am stressed and miserable :~) but nothing at all really difficult is confronting me. Unlike you and HSAT and Egreg. and Zen and and and
Missed your wit and general sensibilities. I hope you can back to your own soon.
Anne @ 181
Or Joe would just gaze into his own likeness for the entire duation of his visit.
Jo*L has always seemed to regard hissownself as graceful in politics.
Truly. How in h*## does he extract his super-size ego from this mess he’s created?
WHAT was he thinking?!
WAS he thinking?!!
I honestly think he’s beyond embarrassing the Dems now. It’s just his own image that’s in tatters.
What’s that “Poor Judd Fry” song from “Oklahoma”? Maybe that’d be a good campaign song for ‘im, however long it takes . . .
Rove= cockroach puke.
op99 -
xoxoxo from lovely 1,000% humidity Florida.
http://santafeandthefatcityhor…..d-eye.html
.
What would happen if the Dems on the committees started to “forget” to tell Joe when they (just Dems, not full committee) were meeting…?
Jenny from the Blog @ 178
Jeebuss. I’m not usually one to draw attention to myself (after last night? yeah right ; )
Thanks, and imm too etc etc
Blue Wind @ 177
What Kerry can do tomorrow is ask Lieberman where he’s been. Where was he when his own party spoke out? Why did he criticize Murtha? Or Feingold? Or Kerry? And if he thinks this is a good idea now, why did he criticize Kerry last week, for echoing Cheney’s criticism of Dems? And didn’t Lieberman, in his debate with Lamont, repeatedly criticize Lamont for inventing new positions on Iraq? Time to replay that tape.
Lieberman is going to be providing his own rebuttuals. “Who is Joe Lieberman?”
Jenny from the Blog @ 178
happy birthday, cozumel.
is that better? *g*
Let me see if I’ve got this straight
…
You want Joe to do something ….Honorable?
;>)
Car Talk Closing Credits
darkblack @ 198
In deferrence to Peterr,
HECK yes!
Hi.
I’m Lierman.
Who am I and why am I here?
VG, I like the way you’re thinking. I’m not crazy about AWOL, because it’s a military term (like “deserter”) and suggests a stature and backbone that Joe never had.
I suspect Joe is having a real tough time, relative to being a three-term incumbent U.S. Senator, at generating excitement, crowds, media attention. I think Dems have to hold Joe accountable, I’m just flopping around looking for a way to do it that doesn’t leave him too much room to make himself the victim, what Joe appears to be best at.
Op99 — I will do carpentry and plumbing and every other building/fixing thing except electrical wiring and stuff. —
I know, DC current can kill you!
yessir, mr. darkblack.
Sorry for shouting… I got a little too excited :)
immanentize @ 203
or causes Potomac fever
And this honorable thing involves…?
;>)
Ideally, something that won’t violate community standards, as it were
VG,
The Tappett Brothers use it as a gag. The person in Harvard Square use it as a gag too. I don’t think there is really a law firm of that name.
Looks like the lady from Tennessee who was head of the oxymoronically named “W for Women” could use a little help from the good folks at Dewey, Cheatem & Howe.
-GSD
The entire Republican Party is in meltdown. Not to mention the Wicked Witch of the Right had a bucket of water tossed on her! Conrad Burns in Montana just had his top money-man implicated in some stinky money hijinx. There is also news about George Felix “Frenchie” Allen Jr. and how his “flag collection” was rather, err, small.
Melting, melting, melting.
Early to bed for zen on a school night, hope you guys have plans for lots of fun this weekend.
ccmask, good to see you, sending good thoughts your way.
Remember to check in with the Subway Serenade who we heard today is hospitalized and had surgery
good thoughts for Subway
BobbyG, xo
imm, I caught your sweet message last thread, thanks.
Hope, my love to both of you.
Christy, darling, although you’re asleep, much love.
and to the rest of you rogues and miscreants,
many hugs on some threads well done.
namaste
zen
John Casper- actually “turncoat” would be better. And that is not my idea.
darkblack @ 206
Some thing to do with the Japanese custom of sepaku, you know, the sword thing. Doesn’t have to be too graphic. But must have the streaking mascara face..
Please.
Zennurse…It is me…swim is my other dress…
and to the rest of you rogues and miscreants,
many hugs on some threads well done.
I resemble that remark.
God bless, Zennurse.
Anyone realize that the acronym for Connecticut For Lieberman – CFL – could stand for:
Can’t
Face
Losing?
Which is a pretty good summation of what his little ego trip is all about…
me, i am a rabid miscreant of the left!
g’nite zennurse!
immanentize @ 188
I’m fine, honey, last night’s post was a 25 year history, not current events. Don’t you worry about me.
Hope – a BIG welcome home to you and Dr. Turtle. So happy to know you are both home, safe and sound. Know you have a lot to share when the jet lag wears off, and we anxiously await your report!
Hillary is showing the difference between support and ‘letterhead endorsement’.
angie @ 204
Angie- thanks for that! Actually I love those lyrics (seriously). And, they are from??? My Fair Lady? No, Sound of Music?
The Sound of Music, VG and I love that entire movie and all of the songs, most especially– Climb Every Mountain.
Darkblack.
did you get the post?
Dewey, Cheatem & Howe!
Close-up.
Look on the left.
Long shot–third picture down.
-GSD
darkblack @ 207
Hey Darkblack!! On this point, my students rarely know what to make of me. During my first class in Criminal Law, I always make them discuss the poem, Law Like Love by Auden. The point I try to stress is that community standards depends on the community you keep. Or, as Lou Reed says, “In the name of family values you must ask, ‘Whose family?’”
Really, gotta sleep — love and sweet dreams to all.
Anne @ 213
Oh, another “AnneGold”!!!! Much better than the way I remember the “party” name!!!
Valley Girl @
122
Haven’t both the Senate Dems and Senate GOP realized that Lieberman will caucus with whoever he’s of best use to? And therefore he has no loyalty but to himself? Should either Senate Dems or GOP leadership expect his loyalty in a close vote to organize their House in 2007?
Oilfieldguy!!!
Como frejole!!! How you been?
Cannot resist– battle cry of Progressives:
and just remember the beautiful voice and the wise eyes of the Reverend Mother…
NYT: ‘Leadership issues’ await if Dems retake House…
Report: Dems poised to win control of House
http://rawstory.com/
Oh boy Oh boy Oh boy.
angie @ 219
“Edelweiss, edelweiss, you look happy to me (to me)”
(I usually detest musicals but have a soft spot for Sound of Music)
-ck- @ 226
Werkin. Made it through WVA without trading paint with anybody. Spoke to CHS a while ago. Hopefully we can get together sometime this weekend.
me too, punaise.
thrum, thrum on the gitbox get me cryin’ every time.
MsAnnaNOLA @
35
I did, MsAnna, and I was trained last weekend. I’m looking forward to this.
must remind
elections mean nothing if they are using e voting
this is a fact
NEW HAVEN, Conn. – Sen. Joe Lieberman, the three-term Democrat whose independent campaign for re-election said Friday that his voting to end debate on the Alitio nomination was an “error in judgement” and he would immediately resign from the “Gang of 14″ if re-elected to the Senate for a fourth term.
http://cozumel.made.that.up.com/
Sorry, Hehe
BobbyG @ 192
Hi Bobby, been missing you, the joint’s going haywire without you.
Cozumel @ 232
Fucker can’t backtrack quick enough.
Can’t buy any moral compass either.
Cozumel,
There is not enough “r’s” in sorrrrrrrry to describe that.
immanentize @ 203
I’ll give you the sun, the moon, and the stars in the pre-nup, honey.
must remind folk : Connecticut still uses good, old-fashioned clunky mechanical voting machines … the only electricity used is optional for the light bulb inside to illuminate the levers !
Angie
Joe’s Theme Song from Sound of Music:
angie @ 18
Yo, angie, run that one by me again?
Coz –
HAPPY ROMPIN’ STOMPIN’ BIRTHDAY, YOU!!!
Hopie —
Lawksamussy, you’re awake — what a treat for us!
Happy Birthday Cozumel
and
Welcome Home HopeSAT
Pelosi will call Ried and convince him to make Joe an offer he can’t refuse. Nothing will happen in public. No need to provide fodder for Limbaugh’s version of “Dems eating their own”, etc…
peace,
jim
*ilson46201 @ 239
I’m talking about the elections as a whole, lamont winning means nothing if there are e machines where we have a chance unseating a repuke lican
Oh Angie
BTW I don’t think that song was in the movie, but it was in the original Broadway musical. For those who don’t know it, it was one of the most playful songs in the show.
Again, I ask, when’s the next round of polling in the CT race?
Click: Hello caller?
Caller: Yes this is Joe from New Haven, Connecticut.
Clack: New Haven huh? What’s your car problem?
Caller: Well…you see my “wife” wants a new car and I just want to stay the course with my 1988 Ford Taurus. She’s always complaining about the sound that it makes when I steer to the right.
Click: Steering huh? Can you describe the sound?
Caller: When I turn right it sorta sounds like “voooooteee ffffuurr llaammoont.” Although when it is rainy it kinda goes “outta-outta-outta-arak” over and over. Whadda think?
Clack: Buy your “wife” a new car and stop kissing other men.
GSD- many thanks for the pix of Dewey, Cheetham & Howe. Much enjoyed. And all this time I thought Click and Clack were making this up!
Oh Joe. The meltdown, the meltdown. The wilting moral stands. The shifting stances. First McStain, then Shays, et tu Lieberweenier?
Thanks for Judge “Sammy the Wimp” Alito!
-GSD
Holy chickenshit!
A Dilemma Of Honor
Attention, those with concerns…I am not advocating self-murder or mutilation with this graphic.
The warrior always has a choice…One’s own hand may not be forced.
Those with an interest in honor and its more extreme applications may find this link of interest.
“How do you solve a problem like Joe-rrhea”
Joe redifines stump the chump.
Shooogar p get him a
707!!!
Cozumel – you are rippin’ it tonight! What’s sad/hilarious is that fake news release wasn’t too far out of the realm of possibilities. I fully expect to see him offering to sell one or more of his children if ONLY he can keep his precious Senate seat…
{{{Oh, and a Happy, Happy Birthday to one Virgo from another (8/28)…}}}
shooogarp @ 246
Brilliant!!! Brilliant, Sugar Pea. Hehe.
shooogarp @ 246
LOL for the whole thing
darkblack @ 250
darkblack, perfect!!
Happy Birthday
Cozumel
c(_)>~~~~
(That teapot is almost done brewing. What? It doesn’t look like a teapot? lol)
I keep alternating between wanting Reid to hit Joe over the head with a chair, and just letting Joe self-destruct, without feeding the “divided Democrats eat their own” meme. Perhaps the right tack would be for some senior, statesmanlike Dems to say, more in sorrow than in anger, that it’s a shame Joe left the party. Say it over and over. Al Gore would be good.
Make Joe deny it. Or admit it.
Eureka Springs, AR @ 251
Ahh… good one too. Punaise will be honored/ challenged by this contribution of yours.
What? It doesn’t look like a teapot?
Closer’n gummint work, Margot (waaaaay closer).
RevDeb @ 240– it is a brilliant thing you brought to light.
lotus @ 241– it was premiered on Countdown tonight. I am crestfallen, again.
Just another day on the planet, though. :>)
PS nice job shooogarp @ 247!
Margot @ 257
Joe: “I’m a little weep-pot, shirk and pout.”
i was just wondering…. is his official balot designation lieberman con-lie
angie @ 262
I had long forgotten about the song, but when you mentioned the Sound of Music, for some reason it came back. When I looked up the lyrics, it said JOE all over it.
I like Darkblack’s idea of Joe opening himself another…orifice, too. That would save Reid, et al some trouble. That’s what good Roman senators would do, if I remember my “Spartacus” aright.
Is it just coincedence that Sharon Ferrucci, the Democratic voter registrar who refused local Democratic activists attempt to have Lieberman removed from the Democratic registry, shares the same last name of Ralph A. Ferrucci the Green Parties candidate for Senate? Are they trying to throw the race to Lieberman? Someone needs to look into this connection.
http://www.cqpolitics.com/2006/ 0…erman_from.html
http://atrios.blogspot.com/ 2006_…652149407663299
this discussion will have the guts cut out of it by the wingers — dont let them eviscerate FDL.
punaise @ 251
Ok, that made me spew. And I have a pretty high spew threshold. A flibbertijibbet! A will-o-the -wisp! A clown! Oh my. That’s gold, that is.
Ahh, purges. It seems such a short time since the DLC wanted a purge of the Democratic Party.
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.c…..004186.php
Sort of like the tip of the tail deciding it would be a good idea to cut off the dog.
Now that the voters in CT have begun the process of ‘purging’ Joe Lieberman they should be happy,but they’re not. You just can’t please some people.
cleter @ 266
From the Encyclopedia about Seppuku:
Joe’s would be figurative, of course.
*ilson– you are being uncharacteristically obscure– or I am challenged– or? Please amplify/ explain for full credit.
I wanna
c(_)>~~~~
JOE
I’m a little weep-pot
shirk and pout
t-shirt, and I want it NOW
‘ere is my handle, here is my snout.
When I get all steamed up, I will shout
tip me over and puke me out.
*ilson46201 @ 267
This was what I was referring to.
cleter @ 269
Pure molten gold. You are so gifted, punaise. Can I be one of the chorus of gigglers when they sing “a clown”?
please??????????????
darkblack @ 248
PERFECT!!!!
Thank you, kind sir.
Barry Zito is into the 7th inning pitching a no hitter against my Texas Rangers. Yes, I am pissed. Yes, I’m off subject as well.
Ghostman
*ilson – your instincts are correct. Do it.
It had better be fucking one of them. I don’t care who it is.
I got a DCCC fundraising form-letter the other day, and I wrote on it, “Get rid for Joe L., and we can talk.” And attached no money, since thanks to FDL and several other most-excellent blogs, I can just donate direct.
I doubt it will do much good. But that’s my opinion, so they can blow me.
Please join me in condoling Ghostie.
*ilson46201 @ 268
Silence by leadership in our party manages to support evisceration by the wingers far more than our disappointment and dismay. Even wingers dont need to do anything but laugh. Joe has it covered.
James Clavell’s Shogun.
Bushido, not dubya at all, was prominently featured.
ah so.
angie @ 275
cleter, angie – LOL, the best ones are already written, just waiting for Joe to come along….
some folk have suggested that a sitting US Senator should do the “right thing” and do himself in in classical Japanese or Roman fashion by self-evisceration. Kinda blood-thirsty it seems to me. It’s not usually a recommended solution in a democracy, ya think?
lotus…..serve em up, in a glass, straight, no ice. thank you.
ghostman
Not to rain on the parade, but this is a jolt. At this link HJoe is listed as a Democrat in a TOTALLY SAFE RACE.
http://rothenbergpoliticalrepo…..tings.html
Ghostman @ 277
Go A’s!
(sorry, regional preference, second to SF Giants)
Did you have to go and jinx it?
Ghostie, why take the extra step of the glass?
Thankee kindly, lotus.
Shoogarp, LOL @ the Car Talk segment.
*ilson
I sincerely doubt that anyone here means it to be taken literally.
Besides, it would be a futile act…
Joe is gutless.
neurophius @ 291
Tru dat !
*ilson46201 @ 285
Agree. Trust your instincts.
HIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DeRosa singles in the EIGHTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes, punaise, that’s why I did what I did. Hate me, but not too much please.
Ghostman
*ilson,
metaphorically of course!
someone could probably do something clever with Sixteen Going on Seventeen, but I gotta go…
*ilson46201 @
285
I just want “good Americans” who “love” this country to do the “honorable” thing and support the winner of his party’s primary.
or else go to war and live up to his proclamations ( or not)
Thanks *ilson- haven’t been reading ALL of the comments, unlike you, so I was slow to catch your meaning.
Ghostman @ 293
you do what you gotta do. all’s fair in love and baseball.
lotus….well, a man’s got to preserve SOME base level of decorum! The glass allows me to sip.
Ghostman
Baseball? Barry Bonds, not so much, Punaise.
Maher is back on HBO tonight!
all’s fair in love and baseball.
Unlike politics and (sob) gawf.
Mr. and Mrs. HopeSaT!! Welcome home, babycakes, I trust you are well and safe and happy to be together. I’ve thought a lot about your journey. We’ve missed you.
*ilson46201 @ 285
*ilson
It is but a figurative metaphor for what he seems to be doing to himself, albeit not in an honorable fashion. In times past, it would have been literal, but in the back rooms of the senate, many are suggesting that the “powers that be” take Joe aside and have a talk with him. The imagery just harkens back to historical or philosophical precedent. At least that was my point. I can’t speak for anyone else.
Joe should do the honorable thing and drop out of the race. The window is rapidly closing and there is little if any honor left to him.
Thanks RevDeb,
much more articulate than I.
the current polls now have Joe and Ned neck to neck. If the next set of polls show a precipitous drop for Joe, he’ll be burnt toast.
I probably should sleep now, because now the entire libretto is running thru my head.
Rolf and Lisl and the beautiful tragic horror.
John Casper @ 202
Joe is a double agent. Lying/using each side to further his own agenda.
I will be the first to call for Joe’s Official Expulsion.
Ghostman @ 300
Maybe a man does, G, but when I was enjoying my split o’ Korbel on the evening of 8/8, I dispensed widda glass. (Went up my nose-petal a time or two — but hey . . .)
Oilfieldguy @
221
Not as yet, OFG.
Skipping through the thread here . . .
bdu @
156
Naw, that flies just about anywhere, not just the southbay.
And bustedknuckles, . . . I’ve said worse myself, let alone heard worse!
Joe Lieberman, the Katherine Harris of CT.
lotus @ 311
well, lotus that is a risk whenever one partakes of the bubbly in my experience.
Peterr @ 313
So, what’s your stance on ‘fart jokes’?
;>)
If anyone’s going to be first, I predict it will be Senator Reid, or the person who is his successor (Hillary?). Anywho, as folks have observed, it’s his call at the moment.
The scenario cleter mentioned, some “retired” pol like Al Gore making the suggestion publicly that Lieberman has left the party, forcing him to either confirm or deny it, is a definite possibility. A party that had it’s act together probably would do that.
Peterr @ 311
Well, it doesn’t hurt to be polite……….much.
lol
way OT: my little Fidelito, the runt I saved, is being taught how to fight by his older brothers Hugo and Evo. Lots of barking and snapping and grunting and flopping around. The big dogs are so gentle in their “pretend fighting” with the lil puppy. Pitbulls having fun can scare some folk …
well, lotus that is a risk whenever one partakes of the bubbly in my experience.
‘Specially when one is jumpin’ up&down and dancin’ with one’s appalled cats . . .
Deb, this isn’t an intellectual discussion about the meaning of honor in sixteenth century Japan. This is a political campaign in which we are dealing with unscrupulous demogogues and a complicit, unquestioning media. The last episode was equally defensible as metaphor — I defended it as such — but it cost us. It cost Jane.
Al would be ideal. LMAO Now I can picture a behind the scene fight for who gets to do it.
darkblack @ 316
Upwind.
Just so you all know how the current news is playing in Peoria, or more precisely CT, this is a transcript from local WTNH TV’s 6:00 p.m. news. You can also watch it with the video link there as it was shown on TV.
Incidentally, if you watch the video, you’ll really see Lieberman “grasping.” The transcript doesn’t show the pauses and hemming and hawing.
Oh and it was sure mighty fine seeing Hillary on camera endorsing Ned. :)
I kinda favor BigDawg for the chore. (Now if only he would.)
707 lotus! right here, right now.
Cujo359 @ 317
Technically, behind the scenes that is, wouldn’t it be Durbin’s job as whip to be the caucus enforcer? I know he wouldn’t do anything publicly, but it would seem to be his job to break the news to Joe that his schtick was no longer working and it was time to say sayanara. Then others like Kerry, Gore, Russ, whomever, would go public.
I emailed Reid the other day and said that Joe had left the party, and now it was time for the party to shut the door behind him. I still feel that way.
But a censure motion sounds really good, Peterr!
Loty, you did such a bang up job on 8/8, we’ll have to do it again in November. I’ll volunteer to get all the confetti and streamers and music and Senator Lamont posters together. We probably have to get the back porch cleaned up again.
Yer on, meta! Think we may need to hire us a hall this time, though.
Victory Day for Lamont is 11/7 (shaddup, Joe Biden!)
immanentize @ 108
Congress starts a new session every year. They can’t vote on the status of someone who is not from their year. So, for example, senators who are not running for reelection cannot vote on caucus membership for the next term. Lame ducks before the new session cannot vote on membership status for the coming session.
How about Daschle?
I wish James Carter would smack him hard first and fast.
Followed by Bill Clinton, Al Gore, John Kerry, Harry Reid, Tom Daschle, Max Cleland and anyone else who wants to climb on the bandwagon.
lots of folks.
John Conyers, Charlie Rangel, Louise Slaughter, etc.
RevDeb @ 327
Probably, but Lieberman has quite a bit of prestige. He’s been in the Senate for three terms, and was the VP nominee. I suspect it would work better if it was someone like Gore or President Clinton who did it in this case.
Now, who does things behind the scenes is another matter, but as we’ve seen with Sen. Dodd, the subtle approach isn’t too effective with Joe.
318….an allegory for life…..or perhaps lotus needs to take my glass away.
Ghostman
*ilson, 11/7, okey dokey. You are going to be one busy moderratorer, I’d say.
inthedoghouse @ 319
I’ll take this one on the chin.
My idea.
It’s not always about honor and fairplay. Joe Lieberman has made a mockery of himself, and the Democratic party, by association.
Taken literally as to call for Joe to do bodily harm to himself is ridiculous.
Poking fun at Joe isn’t.
Hell, I’ll do it!
Expel Lieberman!!!!!
See, sometimes you just have to take the bull by the horns.
TeddySanFran @
179
Way late, but well said!
Hmm, veddy veddy interesting…
Whole article is here. Looks like the Forever War is hemmorhaging support all over the fricken place.
gang — I just dont want Michelle Malkin or her ilk to dip in here and find bloodthirsty stuff to use against us. This isn’t a private conversation — evil folk are scheming how to hurt us.
new thread !
Joe is emulating Geisha and the cherry blossom.
He is beautiful, full of song, grace and light.
can I have some more sake now to go with my blow fish sashimi?
Lieberman trashed Democrat Lamont’s Iraq timeline, but now will “look at” Republican Shays’. Unbelievable…
Thanks, *ilson. was making me a little nervous.
Al Gore should do it. Joe owes him big time for the 2000 nomination.
Bill Clinton should do it. He campaigned for Joe in the primary, now it’s time to collect.
Harry Reid should do it. C’mon, give ‘im hell, Harry! He has to uphold party discipline in the Senate, and Joe is way out of line.
Howard Dean should do it. He’s the party boss.
Chris Dodd should do it. Joe is messing up his turf.
John Kerry should do it. Ted Kennedy should do it. Dick Durbin should do it. Evan Bayh should do it. Barack Obama should do it (Joe owes him, too). Barbara Boxer should do it (same reason). What the hell, Joe Biden should do it.
Come on, folks. It’s time to make “Democrat” mean something again. Just do it.
Understood *ilson.
Behind the wall at NYT:
No Place for Cluster Bombs
Published: August 26, 2006
Attacking guerrilla or terrorist sanctuaries in populated areas is not a mission that calls for cluster weapons, and the United States should not be supplying them.
Anne said
Brilliant! Can I steal it?
Busted @338
I think we were on the same wavelength at about the same time. I wish it were about honor because then Joe would do the right thing and bag it. Sadly, he has none. And yes, it times past there would have been an honorable out which we are not suggesting that Joe pursue, just making fun of a really sad character. I guess it isn’t nice to punch a guy when he’s down, but he really does need to be crushed so we can all get on with working on all of the other races that are begging for attention.
Personally, I don’t think this could possibly have the impact of that which shall not be named, but what do I know.
But, but we used them in Iraq and Afghanistan too! Ok, show of hands, who here among us thinks our Mustachiod Warmonger will vote yea on the war crime issue?
hope you are doing well, ccmask.
{{{hugs}}}}
*ilson
I will naturally defer to your judgement. Whatever. We’ve gotten it out of our systems by now anyway.
For the record, I don’t really want Joe to stab himself. I just want him to go away.
cleter @ 354
ditto
Unless, we just let him do it until he needs glasses…..
RevDeb @ 355
ditto but if he cuts himself shaving, all bets are off.
oh wait, Hadassah surely has access to a Pfizer styptic pen.
Thanks Angie! )))))))))back at ya!
Joe is a greedy little opportunist who just wants to hold on to the money spigot..relatively understandable but not really condoned by us fellow humans. However, what he is teaching us is that this new gang of fascist neocons won’t go easily.. the repugs will challenge the tally in all races they lose and will do anything to gum up the transition.
Please stop the blood humor.
I’ve saidi it before and I’ll say it again, Joe’s comment tore it:
Democrats have a bit tent, but no party on Earth has a tent so big as to accomodate a senator who calls criticism of the head of the opposition, “sedition.”
inthedoghouse @
321
Where did you ‘defend…it as such’, exactly?
From Aug. 2nd (the day that the blackface graphic was inserted into Jane’s HuffPo post) to Aug.9th (The day after the Lamont primary win) there are no posts by anyone using the handle ‘inthedoghouse’ at all. Nothing.
So unless you were using another handle in that far-off long ago, you were penultimately uninvolved with the controversy and its aftermath.
I know who my supporters and compatriots are on this blog, and whom among the readership find my work problematic, and to be charitable I doubt that you are in the former group. That status earns you no ill will from me, but please don’t misrepresent your role in events that you were not a party to.
As to whether something ‘hurts Jane’ or not, perhaps you should leave that up to Jane to decide.
There should be no qualm…joe is done. f him. he showed true colors. no excuses. go Ned!! when the freepers get involved you know 1) they were told what to do
2) f them.
not in that order. the easiest way to call these fucks out is the truth.
SteveAudio @ 20
I’m a little ahead of you here
this goes out to joezoe, for all his friends in the loserman party
Poor Joe, the Establishment is now quietly moving to shut him down. It began with his inability to get Dem campaign support (i.e., internet website)and now it’s his money supply. Drip, drip … that’s the sound of poor Joe’s money spigot being turned off.
Next, we’ll see Dem leaders, one by one, slowly but surely, and then faster and faster, come out strongly and loudly for Ned Lamont as the political snowball of Lamont’s Dem support gathers speed much like a snowy avalanche cascades down those “turning-Aspens-covered” mountains in Jackson Hole, Wyoming, the ones that the crackpot reporter Judy and her indicted felonious friend “The Scooter” so admire and remember. ;-)
the ‘me’ part of ‘we, the people’ calls for lieberman’s expulsion from the democratic party. i mean, is hanging with republicans the stuff of democracy….while creating another party, of one, to vie against the democrat, ned lamont, selected by connecticut democratic votersto be their (our) representative on the world stage.
go away, joe.
way to go, ned lamont!
peas!
I want Al Gore to show leadership, go public and say, “It’s alright – I’ll take care of this”.
He would then go talk to Joe who would then withdraw from the race and allow the rest of the country to bring up the Iraq War against their own local dandidates.
Every Democratic politican that still supports Lieberman must be asked why they are supporting somebody who will do his best to bring out as many Republicans to vote as possible.
And then they should be asked why they are supporting the Republican candidates in CT?
peterr @ 323, indeed! and chuckles a bunch.
peas!
Is it fair to say that Sore Loser Joe is, for lack of a more precise word, a turncoat–well, a traitor? Another top ‘Dem’, Mr. Marshall ‘Bullmoose’ Whitmann (ties with the DLC?), thinks that such talk is Stalinistic. See his site. Curious comparison, that one. He obviously has no historical knowledge of Stalin otherwise he wouldn’t talk so frivously. He’s only holding up a mirror image of comparisons of Republicans to Nazis. Wow, we are descending into childish dumbness. Yes, children can be very dumb, like adults, despite child beauty pageants. There is no getting around the fact that Liebermann is actively undermining Democratic candidates for his own benefit, and it is mindboggling that the party—THE PARTY, oh! echoes of Stalin again—could put up with it. The Rebuplican party—YES, ANOTHER PARTY, but with stricter discipline—jumps for joy, while most of the Democratic leadership squirms. Lieberman will drop out, for sure. Maybe, in Stalnistic fashion, the DLC will orchestrate Lieberman’s disappearance. Better yet, in good old U.S. democratic fashion the voters will dump him.
P.S. Whitmann has no comment board on his site. So I comment here.
From Wonkette:
Despite the careful comments in public — who wants to find an axe-wielding Joe Lieberman banging on the door in the middle of the night? — it seems Harry Reid and Hillary Clinton are loaning some big guns to Ned Lamont’s brave attempt to rid U.S. politics of Vinegar Joe.
Reports the Kos:
Stephanie Cutter, a key member of Reid’s vaunted war room, has been in Connecticut for the last week and plans on helping out through November. She worked as Deputy Communications Director in the Clinton White House, communications director at the DNC in 2003, and communications director for John Kerry (after the late-2003 staff purge which revived his primary campaign).
And, earlier today:
Hillary Clinton and her senior advisor and spokesperson Howard Wolfson met with Ned Lamont and his campaign manager Tom Swan …. Howard Wolfson will be joining Team Ned.
Hillary offers Lamont more than words [Daily Kos]
Top Reid consultant also working for Lamont [Daily Kos]
end Wonkette quote
The key to all of this discussion is to WIN in November! (and not let LIEberman drag down the CT congressional races)
windje
Someone really stupid?
I mean, look, it’s not like we actually want to be a minority party, right? What possible good does kicking him out of the caucus acheive?
WHO WILL BE OUR SUMNER REDSTONE?
CAUSE JOE LIEBERMAN IS THE TOM CRUISE OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY
I’m disappointed that Dean didn’t do so on Hardball this past week. Instead he said that if Joe wins, he will be welcomed….the Dems have a big umbrella.
I view Dean as a person unafraid of saying what needs to be said, which makes this even more troubling.
At dKos, I was slapped down by a few and ignored by most when I expressed my views. After all, Dean is a hero, who can do no wrong. Others attempted to explain where I went wrong in my assertions (as I requested), but I still have a difficult time understanding why Dean (of all people) would undermine the will of the voters. Hell, isn’t that what elections are all about?
At least, Dean should have deferred answering the question posed by Matthews. We can expect Matthews to use Dean’s words again and again as this election moves forward. What a bite on the ass.
Any of these major Democratic leaders who do not act to expel Lieberman should be expelled themselves.
If they do not have the courage to act, we don’t need them.
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In 2000, the presence of a third party candidate, Ralph Nader, no doubt played a role in the defeat of Vice President Gore and Joe Lieberman. Now Joe Lieberman is risking our party’s claim on his Senate seat by running as a third party candidate himself. Recent news reports detail the GOP’s interest in supporting just such an effort. It’s time to draw a line.
I committed myself to supporting the Democratic nominee for the US Senate in Connecticut and I ask you to do likewise. Because too much is at stake with our troubles abroad and at home, we cannot play games this Election Day. That’s why I call on all loyal Democrats to join me in urging Senator Lieberman to drop his bid for the Senate as an Independent and endorse the duly nominated Democrat.–Wes Clark
According to CT law, Joe left the party automatically when he chose to run for office as a member of a new party. Sharon Ferrucci, the registrar of voters, has taken it upon herself to leave him on the rolls against all law and president. Another case of election tampering, this time by a Lieberman Democrat. See my diary at DailyKos for more.
John Casper @
131
That last paragraph sums up why the Dems are unlikely to expel Lieberman. More likely that Lieberman will undergo a political conversion on the election equivalent of the Road to Damascus.