As Arianna reported earlier in the week, Ned Lamont met with Hillary Clinton today in Chappaqua, NY. Many have wondered how Hillary would deal with the pressure on incumbents to support Lieberman versus the fact that Ned Lamont is now the Democratic nominee for the Connecticut seat. Was her support for Ned going to be cosmetic or substantial?
Sources from both sides say Hillary will appear at an event with Ned and fundraise for him. But perhaps more significantly, one of her senior advisors, Howard Wolfson, will be acting in an advisory role to the Lamont campaign to help them coordinate the response of national Democrats on Ned’s behalf, specifically with regard to countering the GOP-coordinated smears being lobbed by Dan Gerstein and the Lieberman campaign.
The Lamont campaign was very encouraged by the meeting. I guess time will tell.
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Good news!
I must say, that is a great picture of Hillary. And Ned also.
Just hope she doesn’t help him right over a cliff.
This seems to me to be strategy indicative of Hillary looking to be Senate Majority Leader.
Anne @ 4
How so? For those of us who only think of stratergie as a make believe word. Ha.
Ned! That is good news. I’m wondering how that will strain Hillary’s long-standing friendship with Shortie.
Anne @ 4
Now THAT would be interesting!
It’s a good move for Hilliary. She’s supporting the Democrat who won the primary, and she can’t be called on her loyality when she runs for president.
Also, the role of Howard Wolfson sends a solid signal, provided the role is an active one.
Is Wolfson any good?
kristinejoy @ 7
Better that than a Presidential run. She’s not popular among Democrats…and Repubs are certainly not gonna vote for her.
And she could hardly do a worse job than Harry has as minority leader. I use the term “leader” in it’s broadest possible sense hehe. As he doesn’t seem to be doing any leading at all.
i’ve pretty much been neutral about hillary. not enthusiastic but not, in an overall sense, negative. luke warm, you might say. almost two years ago the wall street jounal was trying to torpedo what they considered would be a presidential run in ‘08. it really puzzled me that they would be so on the attack so far in advance of a possible campaign. i just didn’t get the strategy. the only thing i could come up with was “fear and loathing”, to steal a bon mot from the dear departed, more than slightly crazed, hunter s. thompson.
i’m guessing it’s now about time though to kick the tires on that buggy. i don’t care if the hil is more than a little calculating. that’s not necessarily a bad thing in a politician. i figure that watching how she works with ned is a pretty good first criteria for determining whether or not i’ll be willing to join her chorus. it might not be a make or break moment but for me it will surely set the tone. she has a golden opportunity and i’m wondering how she’ll do.
meanwhile, my favorite presidential candidate would be russ feingold. not that many people have called him their first choice but i defy anyone to show me a stronger, more courageous democratic leader at his level of prominence.
the topic of the day though is still Ned Lamont, and his campaign is a litmus test for the upcoming election. let’s see if Hillary supports Ned as well as Russ has.
Sounds like Ned was just formally introduced to how DINOs behave. Wait around and see what happens….
Great photo of Ned. He looks more wizened as the campaign goes along. It’s a great look, and should be used often in juxtaposition to Droopy’s hang-dog looser-looks.
BTW, it would be great if some blog would remember pre-Katrina NOLA by posting the great clip of Professor Longhair sitting at his piano and playing Tipitina. It’ on YouTube, and it’s the best little clip I’ve seen by a master inventor of New Orleans piano. It’s a wild, fun tune, and quite beautiful. Peace.
Great news, seems Hilary wants to be seen as having “leadership”. This goes along with a NYT article shortly after the primary, saying Hilary AND Bill have offered to campaign for Ned Lamont (I don’t remember the link, but it’s out there somewhere).
Related, New Haven regsitrar of voters DECLINED the request to remove Lieberman from Democratic party registration, per Kos diarist:
http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/8/25/115817/613
PS – The above diary has a great photo:
http://i98.photobucket.com/alb…..ldcopy.gif
Hope Swanny can stand up to whatever “national Democratic response” nonsense Wolfson’s peddling.
LET NED BE NED!
good set of links about wolfson here http://blogs.courant.com/colin_mcenroe_to_wit/
o/t but was there a vote last weekend in chicago DNC meeting about holy joe?
Wolfson has been around for a while. He looks like Chris Elliott, but he is not as funny.
Way to step up to the plate Hillary.
Hillary will be Senate Majority Leader and Murtha will be Speaker of the House.
-GSD
OT.
Turkey has just escaled their campaign against Kurdish separtists in Iraq with an air bombing campaign. This is the first time in recent memory I can recall that tactic..
Turkey Stuffing it to Kurds.
TeddySF 14 – that’s my concern too..
Hillary is smart enough to realize that her best shot at winning a presidential election in 2008, or of any Democrat winning, is a solid record of accomplishment attained by a Democratic Congress elected in 2006. She gets it that the most important political job now is to replace Republicans by Democrats in Congress in 2006. Lieberman is standing in the way of replacing three Republicans in CT. She isn’t buying the stupid DSCC line that a Lieberman-Lamont race will draw more Democrats to the polls in November. It will in fact draw more Republicans than if Lieberman were not in the race, and those Republicans will vote to re-elect their existing GOP members.
With luck Hillary is on the leading edge of other Democrats who will wake up to these facts better in September. She also realizes that by getting out in front she is winning points with the liberal wing of the Democrat party who are not yet happy with her.
I wonder if the news about the meeting between Ned and Hillary caused Joe to decide to start campaigning with Republicans?
Wolfson is a player. He’s been with Clinton for some time and helped her in her first race. Wolfson is a smart guy who wants to win and he wouldn’t be backing Lamont if he thought he was joining a losing cause. This bolsters Lamont’s credentials amongst traditional Democratic donors, too. He’s no longer an outsider.
What’s also interesting is that Josh Isay–another NY consultant–is advising Lieberman. Isay and Wolfson are also facing off in NY’s D-11 in the Democratic primary there.
Sure its ot.
My Philosophical Dinners With George. Part I.
A Play. In One Act.
By Evil “Rushmore” Parallel Universe
Cast: “George”: George W. Bush; “Camus”: Albert Camus
Camus – I hear that you’ve read my book “L’Etranger.”
George – No, I read your book “The Stranger.”
Camus – “L’Etranger” is French for “The Stranger.”
George – You’re French? I wish’d I’d know’d that. How’bout we get some Freedom Fries? Can I call you Froggy? Heh, Heh, Heh. I’m a gen-yoo-ine cowboy from Texas. ‘Mercun. I’m not French, just so you know. Don’t want you getting any ideas.
Camus – Did you like the book?
George – What book. Whoo boy, she’s got a set on her. Did you see’um? Hey, heh, heh, heh, did you hear that one? No? Silent but deadly!
Camus – “The Stranger.”
George – Oh, THAT book. I don’t remember much about it, cause, you know, I read SOOOO many books. People don’t understand that underneath this Cowboy exterior I’m a real in-tell-lectual. But that don’t play in ‘Mercan politics, so I keep it quiet.
Camus – So you didn’t like the book.
George – I thought it was absurd. Between you and me, Karl told me to tell you that “I thought it was absurd.” Said you’d get a big laugh out of that.
Camus – He’s right. But did you like the book.
George – Between you and me, since I’m all for capital punishment, I was happy the guy was executed at the end, cause only weak kneed lib’ruls would have commuted the sentence.
Camus – So that is what you took out of the book?
George – Was there more?
The end.
Next Week: My Philosophical Dinner With George, Part II. George W. Bush and Martin Heidegger discuss: “What if Superman Was A
NaziMuslim.”2006 Evil Parallel Universe Productions
Gosh darnit – I am so suspicous of everything these days that I read that they met and that and wondered if the rapid response guru consulting with Ned with be trying to undermine the Lamont team. After all, there have been many instances of infiltration.
O.K. — not liking my new tin foil hat? I will take it off. I am grumpy. I am selling my home and moving in with my daughter for a while. Helpful moneywise all around. But add me to the mix of 4 kids, 3 dogs, 3 cats, 2 horses, and a husband — that house will be full to busting. Good thing there are 3 acres. I might be camping out in the tent.
From the wapo chat today:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..00586.html
This is definitely positive. She could carve out quite place for herself as a Democratic leader, if she would just forget about running for President.
I wonder what role Peter Daou played in all of this. If he was involved, he did good by Clinton and the netroots.
Clearly, HillDog’s found the vanguard of the in-progress parade and is jumping in front of it, hoping to look like a leader. Give me a home-grown non-corporatist any day over her over-processed “leadership.”
LET NED BE NED!
Check out the Glover Park connections, Swanny, and be sure Wolfson’s not a RGJoe spy — his partners are Carter Eskew (bear ad) and Joe Lockhart (net non-neutrality). Everybody’s gotta make a living, right?
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Had Enough?
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The truth about Hillary is that she wouldn’t even register a blip on people’s radar without her last name.
The only reason people are considering her as the candidate for 08 is they want Bill back in the White House.
Angie,
In other words Lieberman is behaving like he is schizophrenic.
Quick, time for some shock therapy for Uncle Joe. Ned, lube up the paddles.
-GSD
Anyone here ever play the game Diplomacy? Kind of like Risk, but more strategy and skullduggery, and less little pieces to move around hehe.
Hillary would be adept at it. I would love to play against her in a game :)
But since I think that about Hillary, I certainly don’t take any news about her literally…you gotta look for the wheels within wheels, and then look for the tangent leading to the actual objective.
P.S. to my comment at #22 — no, the horses do not live in the house. Just didn’t want you to think we were the Clampetts or anything. :)
ReneND @ 5
Call it whatever you want, but when someone appoints herself to coordinate the response of national Dems, she is auditioning for a leadership role in the Senate.
What I would be curious to know is whether Hillary’s vision for this response will be in line with the wishy-washy, hedge-all-our-bets approach that is making us all crazy, or a more take-no-prisoners approach.
What I fear is that there are too many Democrats with higher political ambition, who are equally as eager to be seen in a leadership role, and I suspect have competing visions for how to rally the troops.
What danger is there in it being Hillary who will be setting the tone going forward – does she have the will to take a left of DLC-type direction, or is she going to try to herd them into the middle – which I believe is a recipe for failure?
Don’t get me wrong – I think it’s great that someone is stepping up to this task – I’m just not sure it was Hillary I was hoping to see at the head of the line.
Austin at 9:17, thanks for a great comment.
Do you have any hint that Joe’s donor list is shrinking enough to force him to withdraw?
TeddySF – gosh I don’t feel quite so tinfoily — you had the same thought – was he there to help, or diminish? Just asking.
HRC as Majority Leader is fine with me, especially if it keeps her out of the presidential race. Too divisive, even if it’s not necessarily her fault.
GrandmaJ @ 29
lucky kids to have GrandmaJ right in the house! Hoping for the best for your move, dear, and that you can cash out of your house at the top of the bubble! Lotsa folks doing that now, it’ll buy you a fine tent indeed…. *g*
Ooooh Teddy. Thanks for the info.
EPU’d from last two threads, but I think it’s important; Ned and Paul, and how many others that never make it one to our radar?
–-MarkusQ
Wrt Hillary auditioning for Harry’s job, it might just be that they want to coordinate, because of the overlapping CT and NYC media.
good luck to you and your family, GrandmaJ
This should interest everyone here, a podcast with Matt Bai, Matt Taibbi, Jerome Armstrong, former CT Secretary of the State Miles Rapoport, and Ari Wallach on the day after the primary from the 92nd Street Y in NYC.
Future of Blue
(We’re a non-profit, I hope this isn’t considered comment spam. Just thought it was relevant.)
GrandmaJ @ 32
Please don’t feel your hat’s ill-fitting just because I’m wearing one as well, dear — there’s plenty of Reynolds Wrap in regular use at my house!
I’ll go back to my mantra all along: NED knows what’s best. He certainly earned his money swimming with some sharks, which is more than HillDog can say. And I trust Swanny implicitly — his distrust of the Old Center is what’s served him, and NED, so well so far.
LET NED BE NED!
MarkusQ
I posted that last night, and the run up to it a few days ago. I think it’s a major scandal…everything that’s wrong the Dem party encapsulated…but it’s not engendering much interest on the blogs.
John Casper @
31
I don’t know how Joe’s money situation is evolving, unfortunately. I think, though, that it should be noted who he is spending his money on–namely Josh Isay. Isay should be blackballed in the Party for this, and anywhere he or his company is working should be targeted now. His company is working for Yvette Clarke in Brooklyn and I think it’s high time someone asked her whether she’ll honor the results of her primary, given her association with Isay. Isay’s advice is helping Lieberman put together his strategy of courting and campaigning for the GOP, so I wonder what else he’s saying and to whom.
Evil (#21):
OT? au contraire my little evil one! nothing so intime avec our monsieur le president could possibly be OT!
tres, tres diabolique mon petit diable, et droll! bons mots and all that.
in part II please, please have him eating quiche!
fahrender @ 43
I’m waiting for “God-No!”
Anne, I think you’re right on.
But they’d better bring it on. It’s going to be a pretty pathetic show to watch if they don’t dump this bucket of cold water on Benedict Joe in a big splashy kind of way.
Thanks Austin at 9:31.
With Hillary it’s all calculation. She’s probably computed that, if she wants to keep her ambition to be president alive, she has to do something about the hostility of the party base towards her. Only registered Democrats get to vote in primaries, and Lamont is their guy.
OldCoastie @ 9
IIRC, kind of scruffy looking, not a plus on-camera. Behind the scenes, he must have something going for himself, because he’s been onboard the Clinton train for eons.
Kurt @ 41
I can see this being a major credentials fight at the 2008 National Democratic convention. I certainly am not willing to seat an Alabama delegation that’s directed by a state party boss who’s kicked a primary-winning white lesbian off the fall ballot. No way, no how.
There’s lots going on in Alabama — it’s a barely African-American district that’s gradually whitening (maybe gentrifying, I presume) where the white lesbian won by 59 votes. The state party boss is flexing his muscle.
Howard Dean needs to fly to Alabama TODAY and knock some heads — the entire party committee votes tomorrow on this, and will probably ratify the state boss’ hand-picked Executive Committee decision. AmericaBLOG’s got coverage on this, with links.
How in the world does Arianna get “it” so right all the time?
As to Senator Clinton. I do appreciate her going to help Lamont. But how does she square Lamont’s strong opposition to the Iraq War with her seemingly obsessive support of this contrived Bush War? Triangulation or some variation. I suppose. God I despise political triangulation.
Very…sooo…looking forward to Arianna’s appearance here!
You know, if it were me — and Lieberman had given a floor speech in the Senate against my husband at a time when the rest of the Democratic party was working diligently to smack back at the GOP on impeachment…well, I might bide my time until I could get even with the smarmy person who might do such a thing. Because, you know, payback is a bitch. And all the more satisfying when you can pull it off when the recipient of said payback isn’t expecting it. …I’m just saying.
Full disclosure, btw, I used to work in the Brooklyn race for David Yassky, who employs Wolfson. His opponent, Yvette Clarke, is the one who hired Isay. I read this story and immediately realized that the same consultants are battling each other in CT now so I thought I’d chime in. I hope it’s clear that I was motivated by Isay and Wolfson and not my prior allegiances.
Sorry Senator Clinton I have had enough of “legacy” presidents – one president per family please
Maybe its the remnants of too many old math classes, but I’ve got to say that “calculating” is not a bad thing or a good thing. It all depends on what you’re trying to accomplish by pushing the numbers around.
My gut sense is that Hilary has come to the conclusion that backing Ned now – and not just with $5K but with encouraging others like Wolfson to help out – fits almost every scenario she might have in mind, whether that’s running for the White House, stepping up into the leadership in the Senate (majority leader, as was speculated about IIRC by Steve Clemons), or something else.
I’m glad to see a politician that calculates like that. It’s the ones that don’t do the math that worry me!
Christy Hardin Smith @ 51
If the “national Democratic response” includes a proposal to the Senate caucus to strip RGJoe of his committees, take away his office and his pencils and his memo pads, and DRY UP HIS $$$$, then fine. Otherwise, beware triangulating Clintons!
Very good news indeed. Hillary going to CT to stand next to Ned and raise some cash is helpful; but publically putting Wolfson, one of her go-to guys, on the case says much more.
As lukewarm as I am on HRC for pres, I love the idea of her as Majority Leader.
And, may I say, I have had it with MSNBC pimping Monica Crowley out as an actual “news” person. Her editorializing along the margins when she is reporting on any story is so wingnutty — they need a disclaimer on the screen warning people that a screed ma be coming at any moment. (Sorry, had to get that off my chest.)
PHOTOSHOP, dodge tool! Let no image go unaltered, saith the savvy Web designer. You can even do this with an old version available for next to nothing. There’s even free stuff available, so why have Ned in the dark?
You can do this. It’s very easy.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 51
MWAHAHAHAHAHA!
Zipping in (and prolly outta) here rill fast between lightning bolts, but I left an EPU’d shout-out for various contributors two threads back — and razzberries for two of ‘em — there. (JEEZ, Redd, you’re moving fast today — hope I can catch up again soon!)
Austin @ 52
I knew it! Didn’t the words “gross incompetence” come up in regards to you when you left the Yassky campaign?
Jeebus,
this place is cooking today.
not only did I have to wildly parse through this mornings first thread, I had to skip one!
Oh btw, Evil Rushmore ?!!!
ERPU? Wassup With that?
Lol.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 51
Crossed my mind as well. HRC was no doubt, and understandably infuriated with her husband, but having a sanctimonious little weenie like Joe hang Bill out to dry for the sake of…oh, who the hell knows must have been doubly infuriating.
Teddy at 55 — Oh yeah, I’m well aware of the political calculus involved. But I’m also saying that this may have a bit of a personal component — and frankly, I couldn’t blame her if it did. Could you?
Juan at 58 — you know, considering that Jane is posting from the road today, I’s say the intricacies of photoshopping are a little nitpicky, wouldn’t you?
EPUd, so references to threads are to “the road ahead” and “Game On”:
re Hillary and Iran, in response to sophist here at #18, OKKiddo, angie, me to me and John Caspar in the preceding post:
Hillary at the spring 2005 AIPAC convention:
“And of course, one of the areas I am deeply concerned about is Iran, and its pursuit of nuclear weapons, because a nuclear-armed Iran would shake the foundation of global security to its very core. Israel would be most immediately and profoundly threatened by this development, but Israel would not be alone. Knowing of Iran’s historic and present ties to terrorist networks, how would we feel, here in America, if the Iranians could start producing nuclear weapons at will? How would the Europeans feel if Iran could start nuclear weapons at will?
So let us be unequivocally clear. A nuclear-armed Iran is unacceptable, but it is not just unacceptable to Israel and to the United States. It must be unacceptable to the entire world, starting with the European governments and people.
I know that during your conference and in the lobbying that you will be doing on Capitol Hill, you’re trying to draw attention to the threat that is posed by a nuclear Iran. And I commend you for these efforts; this is one of our most serious security and foreign policy priorities. And we need to make working with our allies to prevent an Iranian nuclear weapon a top priority.”
Anybody interested in reading her entire speech, in which Sen. Clinton gave her overall Middle East perspective at that time (May, 2005), can read or watch it here:
http://clinton.senate.gov/~cli…..24910.html
Redd (#51) Oooooooh yeahhhhhhhhh………
Peterr (#44) I ham et your beck and call! (i have heeem on speed dial!)
CHS 64 – I’m sure Hil is at least having a bit of a Mona Lisa smile over it…
Peterr @ 44
Sophist’s comment on the last thread, re: Lieberman and Lamont’s remarks, re: Iraq and Iran. Lieberman set the trap and Lamont walked right into it. Now they’re both demonizing Iran and Lamont’s receiving pointers from Hillaryhawk. My tin foil triangulator is sensing something wicked going on. God help me, Barack Obama comes to mind.
Matt Browner-Hamlin @
61
I hate you. Matt is just angry because I wouldn’t watch 5 hours of The Wire with him last night.
The terrible thought is that the choice in 2008 will be between a Republican neo-con (almost a sure bet) and a Democrat neo-con (almost as sure a bet). My God.
Christy Hardin Smith @
64
She needs to avoid being labelled a flip-flopper, though, for her husband’s enthusiastic primary support of RGJoe and, now, her strategerizing with NED.
What I’m really hoping for in this new friendship, though: Is it too much to hope that NED can move HillDog to the American position on the War on Iraq?
Which, by the way, is what we ought to start calling it: The American People’s position on the War on Iraq(n).
Surely some of you guys play Diplomacy. It’s a political game fer cryin out loud! hehe.
Austin @ 70:
Yeah, so? Cowardice makes me mad.
If I had a husband like Bill, well, eeeeergh, he is a dog. But, yeah, the very, very, very, very LAST person I’d want rubbing my nose in a sanctimonious lecture about it would be Benedict Joe. Oh, just the thought makes my skin crawl. Ewwwwwwwww.
Christy Hardin Smith @
51
I’ve been in the lukewarm camp re Hillary. But if she destroys Lieberman, she’ll shoot way up on my admirometer.
Kurt @ 74
Once upon a time, every weekend . . . still sits on the shelf, but haven’t pulled it out in a long time.
Yes, RGJoe’s defeat will be sweet for HillDog — and Bill.
But I hope NED extracted some promises from her and hers, since this relationship doesn’t run one way. NED stands to gain from this association, but we shouldn’t overlook what HillDog gains, and she should be made to understand that any of OUR support for her is part of the equation.
While she can direct her money-givers to donate to NED, NED can’t really tell us to love Hillary with any expectation that we will, just on his say-so.
Oh, and GO TASINI!
Thanks MarkusQ @ 36 re Patricia Todd’s disqualification. I tried to do that but don’t know how to bring a quote onto another thread.
GrannyJ and TeddySF, I too worry about that help from HC (if he is BigDog, she would be Big?????). What’s she gonna do? Maybe sanitize him or something? ‘Splain to him that grown-up Dems don’t say ‘no war’ in public?
And for Tasini, Rupert says he ‘didn’t get enough money’ to make the cut for TV time, is that right? OK, and we all rush to pony up for Jonathan — and our $ are more expensive than Rupert’s $, of course. Interesting.
I am so sick of ‘pro’ politicians filtering out good candidates who have demonstrated party support. eg, Ned, Tasini, and now Patricia Todd.
Disclosure, I am an independant and not even a US resident but I can and do give $ and I can and do talk to lots of my voting US friends and relations. And my husband still votes in the US (registered Dem).
HotFlash in Toronto (sorry if this is late, I am a slow writer)
“I’m more concerned about normaloia than paranoia. That’s when you think everything is OK, no matter what.” — Jan BenDor
Teddy at 79 — you cannot honestly think that either Ned or Swan would not get something in return, can you? They’ve more than been around the block, and neither is the star struck type. I’m sure we’ll find out more as time goes on with this, but be assured that neither man is a “whatever you want” sort of fellow. Not by a long shot.
Man, I think the Clintons played Lieberman for the fool that he is.
Think about it…they set up his independent run, then dump him. Bill and his Unity ‘08. Because what would help a Clinton win an election better that a strong 3rd party candidate?
They are interviewing for the next Ross Perot.
I’m sitting next to GrandmaJ. My worry is that Hil is joining up with Ned in an attempt to herd him toward the DLC corral.
I always vote for any and all D’s. If there were One True Goddess, she’d have it where the D’s were the “conservatives” and a socialist or green party would be the “liberals”. And three rethugs would be mumbling to themselves in the corner. I heard that’s sort of how it is in San Francisco. Is that true, Teddy?
Birdman (#53):
that’s pretty thin gruel you’re offering there. got anything more substantial?
i have to agree with Peterr about “doing the math”.
and i really agree also with a couple of people who have mentioned hil staying in the senate. whatever you think of her, she is very intelligent and to say the least, a better than average senator.
she could build a real power base within the senate and be a force to be reckoned with over the next twenty years or more. having seen what it’s like from the inside the white house she might just opt for that. it has been some time since we’ve had a really powerful democrat legislator.
eat your heart out lieberwurst.
Grandma J @29: Mr. Belmont, a millionaire living in Newport, Rhode Island, did bring his favorite horses into his mansion and gave them special beautifully-decorated rooms. The Belmon Stakes was named after him. Needless to say, when he married, his wife put the horses back in the stable, lol.
TeddySanFran @
72
Whatever one thinks about Hil, there is no doubt that she is smart. I agree that she probably doesn’t have many warm feelings toward Holier-than-everyone-else-in-the-whole-wide-world-Joe, but I also think that this presents an excellent opportunity for her to “seperate” from Bill a bit. The message being that she is her own person and makes her own political decisions.
I kind of like the idea of her as Majority Leader. Unlike a lot of the Dems, she has serious cajones. Or rather, titanium overies!
OT:
re: Ann Coulter on Fox, via C & L…
‘Coming soon to a right-wing bullhorn near you’
;>)
Christy Hardin Smith @
81
Swan, “whatever you want?”
If I were Patterico, that would merit several BWAAHAAHAAHAA’s.
kristinejoy @ 82
hmmmmm.
karen allen @ 85
so he was not a very stable guy?
Ah, Punaise, what would we do without you!
Argh…I think I need to turn off my brain cells for a while, or send a few of them on vacation…
First, I agree with whoever said, upthread, that Ned needs to stay Ned, and not allow the operatives and consultants and Master Triangulators to make him into something he isn’t.
Second, if this is all about having a collective response to the crap coming out of the Lieberman campaign, I hope Ned will be able to inject his own ideas for what the response should be. Does Ned want Joe’s disregard of the election results to take center stage? Does he want to raise the issue of not being able to trust the guy who turned his back on the Dem voters of CT? Will the national crowd listen to Ned, or will Ned find himself wasting valuable time saying things like, “Well, I don’t speak for Senator X, but that is not my position on issue Y.?”
Third, I just shudder to think of Hillary attempting to pull the party (keep the party?) into the DLC mold.
darkblack @ 87
I think we are watching Annie in freefall.
When Mrs. Belmont told him to get the horses out of the mansion, Mr. Belmont replied, “Neigh!”
karen allen @ 91
making up for lost time while you were away
Fahrender 86 – yes, she can be a strong force in the senate. However, as a presidential candidate she carries a lot of baggage not the least of which is the support of the Iraq debacle. I really want a fresh face…someone like Feingold would make me a happy boy.
A Reader @ 26
Oh Cmon! She has been doing a great job!
She is changing her views about the war
and for the most part has been honest about
her unpopular stand .This looks like
a good move for her and Ned
OT scandal: this time of year, the roadsides in Sonoma and Marin Counties are lined with naked ladies!
Feingold. Feingold. Feingold.
Edwards for VP.
A lot of horsing around in this thread that needs reining in.
Posted from Previous thread, from The NeoCons Ride Again on antiwar.com. Apologies for double post commenting, this comment, quote and follow-up seem relevant here also.
and then there’s this, from angie (EPU’d on previous thread)
I think the antiwar sentiment is what the Repubs are hoping the Dems don’t tap into, and sadly it seems that Hill and Ned are echoing the Neo-Con war plans on Iran.
I imagine Ned is being cautiously circumspect with regard to what ’steps’ should be taken on Iran, but he does identify Iran as “…the real threat”.
Personally I’m hoping he’s a little less belligerently pro-war than Hillary on Iran.
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emphasis and [amendments] mine…
OT: check out TBogg’s new picture of Coulter, with caption.
If you haven’t seen her Hannity walkoff, it won’t make sense. If you’ve seen the C&L clip, then go to TBogg, you will spew.
Hugh @ 100
(ad)just a bit
Fess!
Bit NOLA @
12
Peterr @ 78
I love to rope Lieberman into a game of Diplomacy, with Hillary and 5 other FDLers playing hehe.
We could make him play Austria :)
/em sharpens the long knives
punaise #104
Perhaps but sometimes you are just saddled with these things.
if the Turks went into Kurd territory as peacekeepers (not gonna happen, but still): would that make them Ottoman umpires?
Hugh @ 106
it won’t last furlong.
SusanD @ 84
The DLC (Dirty Little Creeps) is a nasty group. Anti-labor, anti-progressive and pro-corporate. Through and through. They are a cancer on the Democratic Party. Hillary and Lieberman love ‘em. As for Ned and the DLC, that remains to be seen. My gut tells me though, he won’t be soiled. But of course I could be wrong. These guy don’t like to take no for an answer.
Christy Hardin Smith @
51
Hillary is a Scorpio. If revenge – a dish best served cold – did not exist already, they’d have to invent it to express an essential component of scorpionic nature.
punaise @ 108
The team may start to bridle at this after awhile, in the stretch.
punaise #109
Well, in all honesty I was stalling.
Anne @ 94
It is more likely, I fear, for some of Hawkish Hill to rub off on Ned than visa versa. And Ned concurred, with Leibersneak after Liebersneak set him up, that Iran is a demon. Not good.
Workin’ the lowest common denominator, the 50 percent of us that watch and believe MSM “news”.
C&L whatshername download can’t handle the traffic………
Hugh @ 10:15 and punaise @ 10:18 -
I hope that nobody is bridling at the horsing around. *g*
punaise @ 109
Of (c)horseshoe can never be sure.
meta @ 101
Yes. Yes. Yes.
And Yes.
Fran, how has Hillary been changing her views on the war? Have I missed something?
Hugh @ 112
y’all aren’t too stable, are you?
Distinguishing between (a) a flip flop for political convenience and (b) changing one’s position based on additional information, conversation, and thoughtful reflection is sometimes obvious and at other times is a tough call. Right now, I’d say Hillary on the war is more likely under column b.
Has she changed a lot? No – but she’s moving in the proper direction.
IMHO, we need to be encouraging as much of the latter as possible when it comes to Iraq. Calling someone’s reasoned shift in position an opportunistic flip-flop does not make it easier trying to convince the next person to shift their thinking in public.
We’ve been speculating a lot here about Hillary’s effect on Ned. I’ve begun wondering about Ned’s effect on Hillary.
*smiles*
Who knows where that could lead, and not just on the war? Christy and others with firsthand experience with Ned, any ideas?
punaise @ 109
I hope the ottoman umpires sit this one out on the couch.
Brilliant.
http://xnerg.blogspot.com/2006…..do-do.html
Dr. Bong @ 116
it re-manes to be seen
Off topic, but this Raw Story headline, for what it is worth, may be important (I haven’t had a chance to see whether anyone mentioned this headline on a previous thread): RAW ACQUIRES FULL EPA LETTER REVEALING US LIED ABOUT 9/11 TOXINS; POISONS CAUSED ARRAY OF DEATHS….. FULL LETTER SHORTLY…
Evil Parallel Universe @ 122
If that’s the one skippy the bush kangaroo did, it’s great!
punaise @ 125
Well, somebody’s feeling their oats today!
Ed*ard Teller @ 121
little known historical fact: the fall of the Ottoman empire was ushered in by a Scotsman: Andy MacCassar
And that’s straight from the horse’s mouth.
kristinejoy @ 127
Just don’t ride this one too hard and put it away wet.
i’ve seen wolfson a couple of times on hardball and other programs. he’s very good — smart guy and no bullshit.
Hugh @
130
you trying to stirrup trouble?
Do you have a cee-ment pond out back?
jb in Stillwater – Still picking up debris from last nights storms.
GrandmaJ @
29
kristinejoy @ 127
Mares(y) d’oats & d’oh zee d’oats
I know… baaaaaad.
You guys are studs!
Just trying to buck a trend.
LindaH – I don’t think Skippy did it, he refers to another cite “party party,” but I did find it on Skippy.
Hugh @ 10:33 -
There don’t appear to be any neighsayers here. *g*
any news about Bob Ney?
Running behind and I can’t help but wonder if this is a Kiss moment of sorts for Ned. I sure hope Hillary is sincere at this point. I am disappointed in Hillary thus far, as many here are, especially her stance on the occupation. She will be a huge force for us all if she will just govern instead of playing political softball with the whackos. Much will be forgotten if she will just ATTACK! (after the election) Until then please be very careful Mr. Lamont.
I read a comment in the late nite/ morning thread where it quoted Ned in a WAPO article calling Iran the new devil!
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..ent-261328
WTF!
punaise @ 138
I believe he’s been put out to pasture.
Well, at least you feel sheepish.
Dr. Bong @ 134
OK…now you have done it…the Mr. Ed theme song is going through my head….
Let’s see if her War stance shifts.
Don’t get infiltrated and don’t get played.
Meta @ 101: Great team.
#126 — christie todd whitmann can rot in hell for her lying, stinking role in that. that bitch assured the residents and workers in lower manhattan that the air was clear of toxins. now many of those people are sick and some are dying. and the gall of her writing that whining tome about how the gop is her party too..
Can’t tell it’s Friday around here, can you?
On a slightly different but equally important topic, was Little Miss Moffitt a cannibal for eating Kurds with her whey and when the spider came and sat down beside her, did he have his whey with her?
Birdman @ 142
Wiiiiiiiilbur!
how do you like them (road) apples?
__________
(work beckons, imagine that)
JCB,
Fess. Yes!
Like to stay… but I ain’t got time. I got to go.
Dr. Bong @ 147
I guess I am showing my age…
Peterr @ 146
Friday horse
fbloggingTwo words: glue factory.
Dr. Bong @ 147
I want a bowl of whatever you’re smoking.
Peterr @ 143
You all are getting a little giddy up there.
Hugh @ 151
You mean Bob Neiiiiiggghhhhh! ??
Must watch right now: c-span Election 2006
Novak said Dems will pick up at least 26 seats in House. O’Biern, Fund, Novak etc. They are depressed. They are admitting defeat. They are running away from the Chimp like he has cooties. This is great.
punaise @ 147
Keep movin’, movin’, movin’,
Though they’re disapprovin’,
Keep them doggies movin’ Rawhide!
Don’t try to understand ‘em,
Just rope and throw and grab ‘em,
Soon we’ll be living high and wide.
Boy my heart’s calculatin’
My true love will be waitin’, be waiting at the end of my ride.
Move ‘em on, head ‘em up,
Head ‘em up, move ‘em out,
Move ‘em on, head ‘em out Rawhide!
Set ‘em out, ride ‘em in
Ride ‘em in, let ‘em out,
Cut ‘em out, ride ‘em in Rawhide. . . .
where’s Jimmy Hoofa buried?
kristinejoy @ 153
Based on this thread that would be hay?
I was going to try and jump in on this round of punning, but you guys are playing too high a stakes.
Therefore, I foaled.
punaise, this is work.
OT– airplanes diverted and suspicious powder found at Bush airport.
It must be Friday.
boo!
TRex – it’s a slippery slope, this steep pull chase
(PS hat tip for “don’t let the bad vlogs bite” last night!)
The great thing about these kinds of conversation is that you can never get out of breath . . . or hoarse.
Birdman @ 159
Man, that ain’t hay!
meta @ 162
“it’s hard work”
kristinejoy @ 154
bhlbhlbhlbhlbhlbhlbhlbphhhhhhhhhhhhht(chm)
*exhales* ‘EAR!
:-)
This is only part of the actions by the Israeli military in Lebanon, that Hillary supported:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08…..ref=slogin
punaise @ 124
Spur(ious) comments, all.
It’s turning into quite a tale.
On no! I made the Ziggurat appear!
angie @ 163
Suspicious powder was found at Bush nose. Story diverted by right wing media. John Kerry looks French.
anybody trot out the latest Gallup poll?
kristinejoy @ 172
beware the hanging gardens of babble-on.
Ziggurat?
No thanks, I quit a long time ago.
-GSD
Novak just said that the only reason that anyone would vote for the Republicans is that the Democrats are worse.
punaise @ 173
Do not sully the reputation of the cradle of civilization. She has been with us, from the womb to the tomb!
I share Teddy’s skepticism re Wolfson.
Getting the top adviser to one of the most craven triagulators in the Democratic party to mess with the workings of one of the most successful grassroots campaigns of the current political season does not give me the warm and fuzzies. The fact that Wolfson works for David Yassky, a Schumer protege trying to snap up the House seat of one of our most reliable progressives in Congress (the retiring Major Owens) creeps me out further.
Has there been any indication that Wolfson’s services were actually needed in any way?
I don’t know anything about Wolfson, but I hope he is not one of those advisers who will give Lamont similar advice to what the Clintonites told Kerry: don’t respond right away to swiftboating, and don’t mention the war.
These jokes have gone beyond the pail.
Another GOP candidate’s office is saying “neeiigghhh!, or at least, not responding to calls. Today’s issue of the “Forward” front pages George Allen’s refusal to give details on his mother’s heritage:
What’s more, it is likely that she’s Jewish by birth, although no acknowledgment of that heritage appears in the memoir. Allen’s campaign spokesman, Bill Bozin, did not return several detailed messages, left over two days, that asked what the senator and his family know about his mother’s heritage.
The article shows another angle of the traction the “macaca” incident has among people sensitive about racism:
“Allen’s own African heritage casts a different light on the matter. Though Etty Allen seems not to have dwelled on it during her years in the spotlight as a coach’s wife, she comes from the august Sephardic Jewish Lumbroso family. Her father, who was the main importer of wines and liquors in Tunis — including the Cinzano brand — was known in France, where he lived after World War II, as part of the family, according to French Jewish sources. If both of Etty’s parents were born Jewish — which, given her age and background, is likely — Senator Allen would be considered Jewish in the eyes of traditional rabbinic law, which traces Judaism through the mother.
This might complicate life for Allen, a practicing Episcopalian who besides running for re-election this year in Virginia is often mentioned as a possible Republican 2008 contender. Political analyst John Mercurio of National Journal’s noted tip sheet, The Hotline, said that any complication “would depend largely on how this information was revealed.”
“If it was discovered that Allen knew this family history, but attempted to keep it under wraps for whatever reason, it could do great harm to any political campaign,” Mercurio wrote in an e-mail. “He’d face serious questions, in the wake of the Macaca incident and his history with the Confederate flag, of whether he’s both racially prejudiced and anti-semitic. Given the intensely pro-Israel sentiment that exists in this country today, that could be a huge political liability — but on the other hand, if this is something he discovers and promptly reveals about himself, and does so with a sense of pride in his family history, I don’t think he’d face much backlash at all.””
link:
http://www.forward.com/article…..on-senator’s-jewis/
Ever notice how it gets real quiet when the buzz hits?
but it’s OK to peer amid the Egyptians.
OK Kids.
Ayatollah ya once, ayatollah twice, I don’t know khomeini times ayatollah you all . . .
punaise @ 174
From Indica to Inkadu…
TRex @ 179
Kicked the bucket, I’d say . . .
punaise @ 174
Whinny or lose, the race is on.
“group think is uncool.Not only does it shut
down the testing of ideas and concepts against competing interests but it also lends itself
to a sort of trampling herd mentality that I find particularly distastful” Really?
I’m no troll.hell I don’t even know what one is.I’m just an old vet who would hope that
you live up to your words.
Ive been fighting for liberal causes before many of you were born.My feelings get hurt when you scrub my post because I think Hillary
has done aq good job~ Fran
OK Kids, you’ve all been warned.
Ayatollah you once, ayatollah you twice, I don’t know Khomeini times ayatollah you all . . .
Katie Jacob @ 177
Well, let’s see, that must be the new Republican talking point. That is what Bush said about Iraq.
“If you think it is bad now.”
Hey Chimpy, I remember saying that exact line in 2003.
Heckuva job.
-GSD
By the way, it is great to see Afghani Annie C-hole-ter becoming a laughingstock. Her stand-up fascist schtick is getting pretty weak. Even her beau, Sean Hannity let her swing in the wind.
Now I just laugh at her.
timewarp @ 185
“Do I have to stop the blog? Do you kids want to get out and walk?”
The Nefarious Leslie @ 186
That old mare, she ain’t what she used to be.
Here’s more from Raw Story about what I mentioned earlier: http://www.rawstory.com/news/2….._0825.html
Since the text of the letter appears in very small print when viewing the page with Internet Explorer, please use Firefox to see the letter’s contents.
TRex @ 181
You’ve got to hand it to somebody for starting them.
Where The Hell Is Harry Reid?
Hillary has been reluctant to provide full support to Lamont because of the long history between Lieberman and the Clintons. Thank heavens she has the heart and the guts to put the Democrats ahead of her personal loyalties!
What’s Reid’s excuse? Isn’t it time for Harry Reid to pony up some support for Lamont?
Why not give him a call?
Once again, that number is 202-224-3542
ET – lost in the shuffle at 129 (my bad for linking to a moderation-inducing image) a follow-up to your:
I hope the ottoman umpires sit this one out on the couch.
ReneND @
2
??? That is a lousy picture of Ned. It needs to be adjusted, way too dark.
But great news. I think very good things will follow from this meeting.
fran @ 189
Fran – I’ve not been in front of the screen for a bit, but I don’t see any comments in moderation. Is this something you posted just recently?
heh, Plano tex!
Oh, thank you for that link, ET @ 182. The truth has been known to set a person free, or to bury them politically. What I find weird is that the article does not mention this from wiki:
looks like George has some explaining to do.
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 194
the letter is the same size for me in firefox or internet explorer
meta @
120
amazing counterpoint going on here. you could almost call it a horse race. at least a triple-crown-screen bloggers de-lite.
All these puns germane to horses on this thread – where’s Mary?
new thread
(ned’s the dark horse…..)
TRex @
181
“beyond the pale“, pale meaning a stake that forms part of the perimeter or border. In other words, over the line.
http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-pal2.htm
All you can expect from Reid is a lot of horse hockey.
punaise @ 129
Did the Dorfman museum STUFF Andy? Good grief!
was it a photo finnish?
twolf1 @ 202
Git along, lil’ doggies!
me to me @ 11:01 am -
Have you tried pressing Ctrl, followed by pressing your plus key twice, to increase the size of the text displayed by Firefox?
twolf1 ,
I don’t know how you do it so consistently but,
I want to give you a big ATTABOY for alerting us to new threads.
And also for being kind enough to provide the link.
Btw, How do you do that? replacing the URL with words and making the link work?
Dr. Bong
bhlbhlbhlbhlbhlbhlbhlbphhhhhhhhhhhhht(chm)
*exhales* ‘EAR!
Mmmm. Tasty. I think I got a little splashback, though…
on the plus side, having contributed to the demise of a thread*, I now have to leave for a meeting. my work is done here.
*like the guys from Car Talk: “well, you’ve done it again. you’ve wasted a perfectly good hour…”
Now don’t nag.
Punaise…
On a serious note (oh gosh no!): thanks for the picture of the Naked Ladies and the flash from the past. My grandma loved them…they line the roads from Point Reyes up to Dillon Beach and over to Petaluma right about now.
Martha
Media Matters weighs in on George Allen and Tony Blankley’s latest lame-o attempt at defending the indefensible.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200608250001
Bustednuckles @ 209
(1) In another window/tab, copy the link location into your browser
(2) back at FDL, and right before the words you want to make into a link, type in
[a href=
with the “less than” sign replacing the left handed bracket.
(3) Paste in the link (ctrl-v), followed by the “greater than” sign.
(4) move your cursor to the end of the text you want to have as the link, and type
[/a]
with “less than” and “greater than” replacing the brackets.
(5) Type in the rest of your comment
(6) Preview the comment, to make sure everything worked right!
Have fun . . . but remember that multiple links in the same comment can trigger the auto-moderation filter.
martha @ 215
indeed – the road I drove from from Petaluma to Bodega Bay last week was chock full of them.
timewarp @ 190
You’re killing me here…
Bustednuckles @
213
-the least I could do
1) copy the link you want people to go to (including the http: slash slash part)
2) type in comment field the text you want the link to appear as
3) highlight the text and hit the ‘LINK’ button on top of the text field
4) paste the copied link in the resulting box and hit ‘OK’ twice
fran @ 189
Speaking for just, and only me, I understand what you’re saying. I used to be a die hard Hillary fan. No more. I agree with most of the Senator’s domestic views. But I just cannot converge with her stand on the Iraq war, the invasion of Lebanon or her coziness with the DLC. But obviously a lot of people feel and think otherwise. And once again, speaking for me, I read and listen to what Senator Clinton and those who support her say. I just don’t agree with them. From my perspective, Hillary’s stand on the Iraq war and her unswerving support for Israeli actions in the Middle East is a waste of a potentially good Democrat. And if the Senator can’t, or will not change her position on what I regard as life and death issues, I can’t support her.
angie @ 214
Yeah he tried to claim the same thing on McLaughlin Group last week, right in the last seconds of the show. It would be funny, if defending racism weren’t so morally repugnant.
Bustednuckles @ 213
Busted: egregious gave us the lesson the other day. Thought you were payin’ attention…
ahem
[a href=”http://blahblahblah”]Title[/a]
replacing the [ and ] with the pointy thingies above the comma and period and with “http://blahblahblah” being the url and “Title” being whatcha wanna call it.
:-)
Sophist and others have repeatedly linked to quotes comparing Lamont to Lieberman, and suggesting that the two hold the same position wrt to starting war with Iran. This is nonsense.
While it is true that both assert that Iran has become a greater threat than it was (for Lamont, that is because of the Bush/Lieberman ME/Iraq policies), the two differ radically in what you do about it. Lieberman’s view, expressed in his unqualified approval of Glenn Beck’s arguments this week, is that we ought to be openly engaged in WWIII, with Iran as the focus for our Islamic enemies; the sooner we recognize this and get on with it, the better, according to this view.
In contrast, Lamont’s view, based on his official campaign position statements, is that the Bush Admin has abandoned and squandered America’s traditional role in brokering a peace in the ME, while unilaterally invading a country that was not connected to 9/11, with the result that this has worsened tensions thorugh the ME, undermined US credibility and moral standing, and made us all less safe. Lamont focuses on a return to the negotiation policies that had been the mainstream of US policy until Bush. For the record, there is no official Lamont position advocating the unilateral bombing of Iran.
http://nedlamont.com/issues/62…..iddle-east
…or you could just do it the way twolf1 said.
:-)
I’m all for any Dem power broker supporting Ned right now, he needs the weight behind him. And I’m assuming he won’t sell his soul in the process. No reason to think he will.
So, thanks for this, Hillary.
As to my feeling about her in other regards… well, Angie posted this link earlier and it speaks for one of the many reasons I would vote for Tasini if I was living in NY.
Dr. Bong @
227
both ways work :)
twolf1 @ 229
Yeah, but your way looks easier.
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 194
Last one, clean the barn and turn off the lights.
fahrender @
203
Translation, please.
Perfect for this thread…a horse story:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/…..lds-worst/
I’m scratching my head over that one too, meta.
kynandog @
199
He looks confident, serene and calm-I Like it!
angie @
201
Either George lied or is lying… From where I am sitting, he loses.
Kurt, Diplomacy’s a perfect game. I used to play it with my nerdy friends in high school, but it’s not always easy to find seven people with eight hours to kill. When I first got on the internet (1994?), I played a couple times on-line, which was fun.
Hey punaise – for trivia’s sake, I was born in Petaluma. Dad in the service but too skinny to go abroad was trained in communications and was one of the guys sitting on the beach in CA monitoring the air waves and watching for the bad guys.
Being in the service was the very first time either of my parents had even had any serious medical care. Both born in poor circumstances and prior to the war were penniless and living with my uncle.
Lamont has shown that he is fully capable of dealing with Lieberman without any help from Wolfson or anyone else. The more important thing she could do is to call on Lieberman to show some sportmanship and drop out of the race.
Also, I hope this Wolfson guy does not interfere with the geat Hillman (is that his name? — the ad man who did the Wellstone ads) advertising. He’s has been doing great so far. And Wolfson’s DLC ideas might taint the pudding.
Patty Krebs @ 239
Actually I agree with this. If Hillary’s support is all about reshaping Ned then I don’t like it. I’m looking at this meeting as a first step to her coordinating a public and loud push against Lieberman. If this doesn’t happen and all she’s doing is working behind the scenes to fashion Ned into a new DLC Pod Person, then forget it.
Angie @256:
This is fantastic for Webb.
His take: You know Sen Allen should be more sensitive in dealing with minorities, especially given his own Jewish heritage, and knowing how much his people suffered….
Grandmaj — Just so. Pudding is one of God’s perfect foods, and I want mine with no added BHT, MSG, or especially DLC.
meta (#232) & jenny (#234):
i wuz jus free associatin’ ’bout all the different conversations going on in the thread and the way they kind of intermingled in and out and didn’t seem to get in each other’s way. tryin’ to transpose it into a visual. that’s all……
it was quite lively there for a while. now it’s settled back into a more relaxed mode…..
by rhe way, it’s all Evil’s fault! he started it with his hoot of a snark about Bush and Camus!
Oklahoma kiddo @
119
And I’ll put all of my money on that ticket.
whoops!
http://www.timesdispatch.com/s…..9190197411
Majority leader for many, many years.
It’s the best place for oi’ Hill and where I think she can do the most good.
Gore/Richardson 2008!!
Ruh-oh, I may be the one cleaning out the barn and turning off the lights, and I don’t even know where the rake and the switch are! Maybe somebody else will happen along . . .
Ennyhoo, that galloping case of the Punaisian flu nilly sent me to the horse-spittle — which, come to think of it, might be a good place to lie back and ponder Hillary’s move today. If some of you are right about her aiming to end up Majority Leader, that could be a positive development on several fronts.
I do hope Wolfson’s assignment is to serve as Ned’s bridge to now-restive Joe supporters (both pols and money), but like others here, I just can’t feature Ned or Tom Swan as anybody’s bamboozle-ees (certainly not HRC’s).
Nor do I have agita over Ned’s statement on Iran. It didn’t have to be this way — on 9/12/01, it certainly wasn’t this way — but by now the neo-cons have turned Iran into the biggest problem immediately facing us (well, except for the neo-cons themselves).
If this new Ned-Hillary collaboration helps put wiser, braver, more challenge-relishing and honest occupants into both chambers of Congress next term, maybe even disaster with Iran can be avoided. Even pre-November, should their collaboration’s message to DC help restrain some of the foolishness of the turkeys in power now, all to the good. It’s got to rattle Joe something fierce, in any case, and we all know how well he performs when he’s rattled. Heh.
So until I know better, I’m celebrating this news. Now whar’s that rake . . .
Hillary has put a lot on the line with this move. It is not like her to risk so much. It would hurt her 2008 chances a lot for Lamont to lose in November. On the other hand, a Lamont win in November would be a major feather in her cap.
But what I actually think is that this says that Ned Lamont is the real deal.
Next, we need to focus on Jim Webb in Virginia.
Killing An Arab
Evil Parallel Universe @
21
fran @
99
The question is whether she would have changed her views without LeiberBush getting beat in the primary.
Real leadership requires critical thinking to come to conclusions, not reading the news or polls. And certainly not spending off-hours with the Bushes at Kennebunkport.
Hillary is a weathervane. She points in whichever direction the wind is blowing. Nuff said.
A Reader @ 253
You don’t punish people who begin to see your point of view!
Fran,
I’ll let you have the last word on this.
But Hillary still hasn’t called for:
- troop withdrawal in either Iraq or Afghanistan
- she sided with Usrael on bombing Lebanon to pander to the Jewish community and AIPAC even though it was clearly illegal
- she sided with the GOP on flag-burning
- it looks like th GOP has found a way around foreign ownership for ports now (if I read correctly today)
- there’s more instances where she needs to get with the program and not go along to get along so that she’s indistinguishable from the GOP and positioning herself for 08.
This move looks a little too convenient. And she should keep being reminded by people where her positions are wrong.
ReneND @
235
THIS is how it could appear with 20 SECONDS of PShop.
BEFORE and AFTER
20 seconds of PShop folks. Not that hard.