Is there anyone on the planet sexier than Shirley Manson? I don’t think so.
Do you guys do this? Okay, we’ve all heard that crap about Ann Coulter being a man and everybody thinks transgender issues are, like, such a laff riot, man! But I’ve known a couple of transgendered people and the Coultergeist is definitely not one of them. I hate to make sweeping generalizations, especially about such a wildly misunderstood population, but there are two things that all the transgendered people (post-op, pre-op, and non-operative) I have known have in common.
1. They are incredibly courageous.
2. They are deeply empathetic.
I think No. 1 is true as a matter of course. If a transgendered person has made you aware of who they are, they have already demonstrated a kind of fierce courage. It takes a lot of nerve in our neurotic, sex-phobic/sex-obsessed, gender-rigid culture to even admit to yourself that you are different from others, let alone anybody else. So, TG people by nature have to be brave. Otherwise you would never know they were any different than you or me or the million other people you brush shoulders with in life’s elevators and dentist’s offices.
And empathic because they understand that no one can take anything about themselves for granted. Most of us are lucky enough to be mentally matched, more or less, to the bodies we arrived on earth in. Imagine if that wasn’t the case, and your body felt like somebody else’s Christmas present that you opened by accident but got stuck with anyway. Your very body. Your soul’s house in the world and it’s not the right sex? Just imagine how you would see the world if that was you.
TG people know what it means to feel betrayed by god and your body and everything. I’ve never known them to look down their noses at anybody other than the ignorant, the thoughtless, and the cruel. (And those are the right peope to look down on, don’t you think?)
Quod erat demonstrandum, Ann Coulter couldn’t possibly be a TG because she’s:
1. A coward.
2. Slightly less empathetic than a box of tacks.
It was a treat watching Kirsten Power bring the pain to Ann on that C&L clip, though, wasn’t it?
But that’s not why we’re here. The whole reason I brought this up is to say that at some point it occured to me that if I’d been born a female (and not a 60ft. carnivorous therapod), I would want to be Shirley Manson. Do you do that? Do you ever look at someone of the opposite gender and think, "Yeah, that’s right. That’s how it oughtta be done. If I was a man/woman, I’d be like that!"?
Anyone? I just thought I’d put that out there.



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TRex!
OMG! I don’t believe it! 0! Wow! and I’m a newbie, wow! now I can’t remember what I was going to say.
Oh wait, I remember…I agree with you TRex and would add that the TGP’s that I have known and it hasn’t been many have been very gentle people.
good wee scottish girl is she.
Absolutely. Shirley Manson. It’s been a few years but I was a huge fan of Garbage. Saw them opening for Alanis Morrisette once. Manson’s a bitch when she’s pissed (as she was that night at the stagehands), but I like that. I didn’t know they were still around, or is he on her own?
I’m sorry. What was the question again?
Oh yeah. If I’m reborn, I want to be born a lesbian. And look like Shirley Manson. Hell yeah.
yay TReX !!!!
EPU’d from Who Will Be the First To Call For Joe’s Official Expulsion? thread:
Al Gore should do it. Joe owes him big time for the 2000 nomination.
Bill Clinton should do it. He campaigned for Joe in the primary, now it’s time to collect.
Harry Reid should do it. C’mon, give ‘im hell, Harry! He has to uphold party discipline in the Senate, and Joe is way out of line.
Howard Dean should do it. He’s the party boss.
Chris Dodd should do it. Joe is messing up his turf.
John Kerry should do it. Ted Kennedy should do it. Dick Durbin should do it. Evan Bayh should do it. Barack Obama should do it (Joe owes him, too). Barbara Boxer should do it (same reason). What the hell, Joe Biden should do it.
Come on, folks. It’s time to make “Democrat” mean something again. Just do it.
Damn, Trex – good stuff!!
“If a transgendered person has made you aware of who they are, they have already demonstrated a kind of fierce courage. . . . And empathic because they understand that no one can take anything about themselves for granted. “
Amen!
About the only part I’d disagree with, in part, is “TGP’s know what it means to feel betrayed by god and your body and everything.”
There are TGP’s who have retained their faith, and are able to distinguish between what they believe God says, and what other (mostly unthinking, unempatheic, and uncourageous) folks say that God says.
This is treading on quicksand here, but my point is that a couple of TGP’s I know could talk theological rings around many pastors, priests, bishops, rabbis, imams, and popes – and come out smiling with God at the end of the conversation.
Kudos, TRex, for posting this in such a courageous and empathetic manner.
(Haven’t watched the video, what with the dialup and all.)
Astonishing eyes… interesting song… and yes, TRex – I agree – there is no way in hell AC is transgendered… she’d be wired up a lot better if she were…
TRex !
Yeah Trex!
Awww, TRex likes to play Nursie! I knew it! Sorry man, I couldn’t resist hehe.
I saw this rather icky reality show about a year ago, where they showed actual surgeries being done, on some channel I never watch but was just flipping past. The idea of watching surgeries just totally creeps me out, not something I want to be watching hehe. The episode I caught featured the sex reassignment surgery, though, and it suckered me into watching. The part I saw involved them making the neck and face less “manly” looking, by literally peeling the face back and shaving away some bone from the cheeks and adam’s apple. The end result was a much more feminine looking gal.
What a fine post.
Darn – too bad Shirley’s straight.
medaka! You been vacated on us, er whut?
Well, I just went and checked out Kirsten Powers blog. I love what she did to Coulter last night, but I’m just a tad dismayed by her blog.
http://www.powers-point.com/
Kurt, ya better duck. What’samatter with a man being a nurse?
last December the Indianapolis City Council finally passed a LGBT non-discrimination law after much battling. The T part was vigorously supported — opponents to the ordnance did not object much to that part either.
I know, lisadawn — just doesn’t seem fair.
TRex and Bartcop, both fixated on Shirley. Still as fixations go, its a great one.
TRex, I have never heard of Shirley Manson (once again revealing my appalling lack of knowledge of popular culture). What is it about her (?) that you admire? Just curious.
I’m proud to say the University Medical Center here in Indianapolis is a major sex-reassignment surgery center…
Well. Peterr, if our goddess has ways of testing us, truly our treatment of those she’s chosen to gender-fuck may be our salvation.
I’m happy to say I’ve seen this community close ranks to recognize that our inclusion of transgendered persons defines our compassion and our liberalism. Thanks, TRex, for elevating this to the clarity of LateNite FrontPage.
I have to say that as a fifty-something gay white non-transgendered male bear who’s lucky enough to live in Paradise, nothing clarifies the “walk in his/her moccasin” parable better than hearing my transgender siblings tell their tale of rejection, rebellion, acceptance, and redemption. All I can say is, “Just Imagine!” but of course I can’t and neither can you unless you can.
Thank you, dear theropod, for this call for inclusion and fair treatment of those made differently than we are.
Hey TRex
Did you ever see the documentary “Southern Comfort,” about transgendered people in rural Georgia? It’s really moving.
Now there’s a phenomenon I’ve not seen before. Last thread, from 316 on out, just went retroactively italic.
So is Shirley Manson transgendered or not? One comment implies as much.
lotus @
24
not no more !
TRex, you’re lucky I’m still alive to talk to you. I just got a chance to see that “creature from the beach” from yesterday’s post. {shudder} But back to the topic at hand…
You are ABSOLUTELY right. Having known more than one transgendered person, one well enough to invite to my wedding 28 years ago, I can attest to how brave, kind, gentle and just plain GOOD AND REAL these folks are. Thanks for the post.
Also, by the way, thanks to the people who welcomed my first post here. Gave me the courage to post this! FDL’ers are super folks.
Brian Jackson @ 25
No
*ilson46201 @ 26
Good thing EPU didn’t see that, what with that bold prejudice against italic-ians and all.
Wow. Now that’s chewy. Who would I be if I could elect to transgender myself?
Gad. I can’t think of one man; I’d be a conglomeration. Carl Sagan’s brains and articulation, Keanu Reeve’s reticent intensity, Sean Connery’s snark, bravado and timbre, Christopher Reeve’s bravery, grace and good humor…
Maybe that’s why I’m a woman. Heh.
Wadn’t that weird, *ilson? Italics running amok upthread instead of down-. How it DO dat?
TRex @ 46
Oops… Sorry TRex. After careful consideration, I think I’d have to say I would want to be…
Drew Barrymore! :)
However as the great Steve Martin said in L.A. Story: “I could never be a woman… I’d just sit at home and play with my breasts all day!”
Completely off topic, but wtf is up with all the airline scares? Lieberman loses and planes start turning around so often it’s ridiculous!!! Anyone else see a pattern here?
neurophius @ 20
Oh, gosh. Well, she’s intelligent and talented, obviously. She’s transgressive, but not shrill. She’s one of those people who wears their sexuality is a completely comfortable, matter of fact way. “Yes, of course I am this curious, exquisite, unearthly treasure. Who are you?”
I dunno. She’s a redhead, and a Scot, and she likes food and dogs and is kind to her friends. (She used to keep a blog on the band website, but I think she got too busy to maintain it.) She’s an adult (35? 36?) and not some ridiculous 19-year-old nymphette.
And she radiates a certain sense of power. I dig that in a person. Presence.
And I am proud to tell all y’all that UVA pioneered transgendered surgery a long time ago right after Denmark debuted with Christine.
Brian Jackson @ 25
Nope. She’s a biofemale. But she has often spoken in interviews about being body dysmorphic and struggling with gender issues. It’s all over their lyrics if you know what you’re listening for. She’s very eloquent on the topic.
the italics ran downthread … somebody got in and edited #316 and removed accidently a closing em tag. I jumped in and added one. All’s copacetic now…
TRex
Thank you for taking my question seriously. Now I feel a little less ignorant than I did before.
Is Shirley known to be totally straight? She has that song “Androgyny” which has the awesomely catchy chorus, “Boys in the girl’s room / girls in the men’s room / you free your mind when you’re androgyny”…
In any case, nice post, TRex. Thanks for taking on the whole Coulter/tranny thing, it’s been bugging me since its inception.
Cheers.
I know, Rayne — I been thinking and thinking, but so far I can’t think of a single man I’d want to be.
Hm.
I’ll sleep on that. Maybe have an answer in the morning . . . or not . . .
Anyhow, niters, ladies and gents. What a nice day at our Lake.
Could someone PLEASE POINT ME to the WRITTEN RULES FOR COMMENTING….
I’m just TOO STUPID to work them out on my own…
that, and I feel like BEING A PAIN IN THE ASS….
ahem.
[/joke about an earlier thread]
actually Soviet doctors pioneered the techniques used in sex-reassignment surgery. Many soldiers in World War Two had genitals destroyed — those vets were weirded out. Soviet doctors worked to restore their “manhood” to restore self-esteem. These techniques were used by Danish doctors for Christine Jorgensen, the first famous Trannie …
Patrick:
707. I know which one you mean.
OT: is anyone else unable to go back downstairs?
rules are:
be respectful.
do not joke. (too much)
carry on.
and listen to *ilson, who just improved my data base with his # 42.
Rayne @ 30
Thank you for answering the question. Come on, y’all. You can do this one. It’s not that hard. Don’t be a bunch of scaredy-cats. One name. Some actor or actress or official or singer or hell, even your neighbor. Just somebody that you look at and think, “Huh. Yeah. S/he’s got the right idea!”
Is it such a weird question?
For me it would be Debbie Harry.
One night after this bar I was tending closed, one of the waiters stopped by on his way home with a friend of his who described in detail the journey he was on. He was pre-op.
It was the first time I had ever met someone who was transgendered. And the thing that struck me the most was how courageous he was. I learned some much in a brief meeting with someone I never knew, and most likely would never meet again.
Millineryman @ 47
Now, see? That’s the idea.
Come on, straight guys, you wouldn’t even want to be Melissa Etheridge, the woman whose Lesbian Powaaaah turns straight women liquid and breathless on contact? Or wild and fierce and heedless like Angelina Jolie? Or brave like Amelia Earhart?
Is this freaking y’all out?
Oh yeah.
I recommend that no one donate a penny to the Alabama Democratic Party until they step forward into the light and away from the pathetic position that they need to “distance” themselves from the winner of the primary because she is gay.
I think they actually had her taken off the ballot using some obscure law.
-GSD
I’d like to be Judge Taylor, I think her name is–the one who just slapped down Chimpy in the NSA illegal domestic spying case. I don’t know much about her, but I think she deserves a Presidential Medal of Freedom, the next time we have a real president and the medal means something again.
well hey everyone, home a little early and so nice to be able to check in
sweet post T Rex – interesting question too.
maybe Crash Davis, yeah, probably
gonna catch up on some threads – looks like the Faeries of the Lake have brought yet more gifts
TRex -
I don’t think it’s a weird question at all, but – I guess surprisingly – it’s just not something I have ever thought about before…
and now I’m having a complete failure of imagination…
TRex- thanks for this. The other eve when someone asked “what does GLBT mean”, and I responded, I had occasion to think about the transgendered part of the equation. One friend from grad school, who only came out as a trangendered person after I had left for England, was particularly on my mind. Many, as I learned after, just didn’t know how to deal with this in real time and real place. I wish I had been there, because he/she was one of the kindest and most astute and best colleagues I had during my grad school years. I still think of him/her, and wish I had been there to give assurance and comfort. He couldn’t have surgery, because his health was already iffy, due to three heart defects, each of them serious enough that any one of them would have been fatal, but oddly, somehow compensated for the other. He died of the heart defects while I was in England, and I still wish I had been able to speak to him in his last years.
Transgendered persons have such an extra burden- because the brain and the body don’t match. As a biologist, I see this in a particularly stark biological and developmental framework- the most extreme of biological mismatches between inner and outer. Sorry, I hope that that comes across correctly, because, by saying “mismatch” I am not meaning to convey wrongness, rather, something that our narrow views of sexuality are not ready to comprehend.
There have been two recent examples of transgendered persons in the sciences. One, I learned about most recently. And his words made me feel sane, when I was feeling particularly depressed and unsane, when reflecting on my own experiences as a female scientist.
“Barbara Barres noticed she was frequently interrupted while speaking. But now, Barres writes, “I can even complete a whole sentence without being interrupted by a man.” ~~
“After Stanford neuroscientist Ben A. Barres gave a talk at the Whitehead Institute in Cambridge, Mass., some years back, a colleague is said to have overheard another scientist remarking that “Ben Barres gave a great seminar today, but then his work is much better than his sister’s.”
Ben Barres, however, didn’t have a sister in academia. The scientist was referring to MIT and Harvard graduate Barbara Barres, who later changed her gender. And became Ben.”
http://www.boston.com/news/loc…..nd?mode=PF
http://www.boston.com/news/loc…..firsthand/
Neuroscientist, once a woman, says he saw gender bias firsthand
And, another scientist at Stanford, is transgendered from male to female, and also has noteable comments.
http://www.nature.com/nature/j…..9BCD9CAC20
~Joan Roughgarden profile: A plea for diversity
Joan — formerly Jonathan — Roughgarden rejects established evolutionary ideas about gender roles and sexuality. Everyone wants to discuss the parallels with her personal experience. But the science speaks for itself, she tells Virginia Gewin.~~
I have met several people who went thru the entire experience… maybe I should clarify and say that I knew their histories and the outcomes of their surgeries. They left us then and I hope with all that I am that they went on to live the lives of the heroes/heroines that they are.
not selfish at all, just brave and impossibly good people.
Shirley is actually older than the 35 or 36 guessed above. She turns 40 in about ten minutes (born 08/26/66).
Feh to anyone who says you can’t be 40 and hot.
GSD @ 49
I think that’s going to bite them hard in the ass before this is over. I don’t live too far from there. I might have to get over there and see if she’ll grant an interview to FDL.
I’ll go with Carol Burnett.
My favorite female comic/actor of all time.
-GSD
I met Shirley whan Garbage did a Sunday night love broadcast from Capitol Studio A, while I worked there in ‘987, I think.
She and the rest of the guys were all very nice.
I know 1 TGP, really nice person, and I agree about bravery. While still a he, he lost many friends. Too too bad.
GSD @ 49
here’s the latest corker on that little situation… the law the AL Dem committee is trying to use? while it was submitted to the DOJ for certification, it was NEVER CERTIFIED!
So the whole kerfuffle may end up being moot…
live broadcast, sorry
TRex @ 48
Sheeeeit Trex,I worked in ‘The City’ for awhile.
lived in San Jose. the apartments I lived in had 9 units. 6 out of the 9 had either Gay or Transexuals. Freaked out?
You silly lizard.
I think that the next time someone demands to know the rules, they should be referred to this quote:
“Never exceed your rights, and they will soon become unlimited.
-Jean Jacques Rousseau”
Additionally,
“Don’t bark at the other dogs and you won’t get bitten.”
I’m just saying.
TRex @ 34
Um, TRex, other than those two little “snips,” you described Christy, lol.
I swear, there are a handful of states that should just secede.
-GSD
Anne Haygood @ 55
No way. Is it her birthday tonight? That is SO COOL!!
I’m, like, all psychic and shit.
Great post TRex. One little caveat though. I too enjoyed watching Kirsten Powers treat Coulter as Hannity treats every liberal guest they have on as well. My enthusiasm for her was tempered by some entries I found on her blog though about us dumb liberals supporting Ned Lamont. Here’s an example:
No wonder she got a job on Fox News. She’s their kinda Democrat. The kind who gives a coded message with a wink and a nod to the Republicans to cut it out or they’re going blow Lieberman’s cover as a “Democrat”, and then he won’t be able to help them from the inside anymore.
There are other examples on their as well such as this one.
I’m not trying to take away from the subject of your post. Especially your highlighting of TS/TG courage. Here in Hawaii there is a huge Transgender community that is more open about who they are than anywhere in the US that I have lived or travelled.
My first opportunity to meet and converse with someone transgendered was a hair stylist. After a great 40 minute conversation with her. (His given name was Michael but he lives his life as ‘Mia’) I was a bit nervous and didn’t really know what to expect but being a curious, talkative, friendly and open person, I couldn’t help but ask questions. She was terrific. I learned so much during that one haircut that I left happy that I had met someone and learned something new. (Plus I had a bitchin “do“) Whenever she’s available, she cuts my hair now and I’ve learned so much more.
But I threw the above re-posts from Kirsten’s blog up there to make sure everyone knows her distaste for the Democratic process and what she thinks of people who support Ned!
Patrick @ 41
We’re all about not fanning the flames these days. (I know, I can’t resist either.)
Antony of Antony & The Johnsons is transgender/beyond gender beautiful. I’ve never seen the other Johnsons tho.
well, I will venture to say that Bette Davis and Kate Hepburn and Audrey Hepburn and Melissa Etheridge definately stop me in my tracks.
on the other hand, gimme some Jimmy Stewart, Gregory Peck, Harvey Keitel and Jack Nicholson and I am pretty much all set.
I’m deleting this because I don’t want to start any rumors about Shirley.
TRex… I read your #46 post and then breached the space/time continuum to answer you up at #32 :)
Such is the power of my blogging ‘force’! :)
I have an acquaintance/friend who was born with hermaphrodite characteristics, and of course the doctors determined he/she would make a fine young girl. Well, he/she reached her twenties and decided to stop taking the proscribed chemical treatment. Unfortunately, I don’t think L. has figured out what her gender identity should be, and living in a rural area in the Midwest may not be the ideal environment to figure it out. I’m not sure if I did the right thing, but I tried to encourage L. to move to a larger city (and continue educational pursuits).
op99 @ 67
ah, oh.
Sorry.
Just astonished that someone could come to the party, put a turd in the punchbowl, then repeatedly demand to know where it said on the invitation, NO TURDS IN BEVERAGES.
I mean, geez…..
OK, I’ll put a cork in it.
Trex, great, great thoughtful and heartfelt post. I’ve been sitting here trying to figure out who I’d want to be if I were a man. I’m thinking along the lines of actors because I love film so much. So it would probably be Jeremy Irons (if you ever saw his Donna Karan ad campaign you’d know what I’m talking about). He just has this brainy longing thing going on. For raging sexiness, it would have to be JFK, Jr.
Love love love your comment to neo. These are the things that make us feel alive!
Jenny from the Blog @ 70
Good lord, I hope so.
The trouble with Harry.
Ah, the sweet smell of freedom.
-GSD
I have to admit a certain amount of ignorance. (shush)
I didn’t know her name was Shirley.
I stumbled onto a Garbage video fest one night on tee vee and was transfixed.
Awesome . I fell in love.
Anne Haygood @ 55
Psych!
Marilyn Manson was born January 5th, 1969 according to Wikipedia
from Pam’s House Blend on the AL Stupocratic Party:
That 1974 rule change needed to be approved under Section 5 of Voting Rights Act, according to Jeff.
and the linky for the rest of the article. Karma can be a pain in the as*, can’t it?
*ilson46201 @ 79
Now I always thought he was a lame poseur but I can’t put my finger on why.
T-Rex -
I deleted my 70 about the bugs because I felt uncomfortable about it – you can delete your response if you want.
i guess melissa auf der maur, b/c she’s canadian and because you took shirley manson
GSD @ 76
That reminds me. I need to scoop the cat box.
Talk amongst y’selves. Here, I’ll pick a topic:
Madison Square Garden. Neither square, nor a garden.
Discuss.
Okay, so I see that my longish and serious post about transgendered persons was too serious. I guess TRex was asking “who would I want to be instead”- hmmm… get back to y’all later after I have had time to consider…
Anne Haygood @ 55
From my side of 40, a lot of 40 year olds look hot!
I would like to have been Frank Sinatra.
His voice was dreamy, he was extremely sexy and had a good long life. He liked to drink and party and laugh. Yep, that sounds good to me.
I had a good friend that balled him years ago and she raved about it. I was very jealous of her for that.
Do you ever look at someone of the opposite gender and think, “Yeah, that’s right. That’s how it oughtta be done. If I was a man/woman, I’d be like that!”?
Yeah, Bill Gates. But only for the money.
Hey Steve Audio,
I’ve decided to get an iPod finally and there are some decent deals on Craigs List; some still in the box. Think that’s a good place to get one? I don’t need anything too fancy.
Jenny from the Blog @ 82
Oh, I’m sure she was just winding up the interviewer. Her sense of humor can be very broad, very Scottish.
Okay, I got the answer- JFK. Just because.
TRex @ 56
I wrote to Howard Dean today and asked him to get down there and fix the problem, or expect a credentials challenge to the Alabama delegation to the 2008 National Convention. Seriously.
Shirley Manson was born Aug.26, 1966 according to Wikipedia
for what its worth, I was born on the same day, just a few years earlier … our neighborhhod is having its annual Festival of Lanterns in a nearby park on Sunday and I’m the official photographer so I’ll be busy most of the day …
TRex darlin’– I think you may have “stumped the chumps” (a CarTalk ref) here (I was a bit verklempt, myself) and I do love the post!
come on all y’all!
golly– translatin’ is harrrd werk.
great post … once again, and interesting question
but what man would I want to be? I completely at a loss to think of one which is something I’ll have to think about
Happy Birthday *ilson.
{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{Happy Birthday, *ilson}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
Patrick @ 73
Not on my account, I hope.
BTW Nate, if you are still here. I went to Kirstens site too. It really is no wonder she’s on Faux. She doesn’t like it when people call Lieberman names, but I didn’t see anything about Joe saying nasty things about Ned.
I guess she is a Lieberman democrat, which really isn’t one at all.
Jenny from the Blog @ 96
yeah! same here!
angie @ 97
Oh man, I decided to get all decorum-like (because I was too shouty with Cozumel earlier) and angie went and done it! :)
HAPPY BIRTHDAY *ILSON!
Bartcop is the world’s biggest Shirley Manson fan. Check out the bottom of his blog every day. He would really love to meet her, and says so almost every day.
*ilson! happy almost bday!
Jenny from the Blog @ 96
DITTO! Have a great day!
Dang. I may be dating myself, but I still think Michelle Phillips is the bomb. Check out Monterey Pop for details.
But I’m old, straight, Deadhead, Lamont funding, Bush-Hating, etc.
I do love a blog though…
jb
Jenny from the Blog @ 101
I was just trying to spread my wings and streeeetch my back!
xo
Here’s to a fabulous birthday, *ilson! We’re going to get you some new swatters!
Sheesh VG… You gotta give me a few minutes to read your links too! I’m just a high school grad with too many brain cells still covered in bong residue from my teens. We can’t all assimilate info like a molecular biologist. :)
angie -
ya done good!
*ilson, felicitations on your natal day.
so… do we have to pick someone who is currently alive or can it be a more historical figure??
I’m thinking *ilson had a *W* attached before I got here. Just guessin’.
op99 @ 88
Or Madonna. But also only for the money. And the boys. And the cute husband!
If I were a woman and had a chance to be any man, I would be the man I am. But wait, I am already that man….oh well, never mind.
TeddySanFran @ 92
Maybe Jesse Jackson will go when he returns from the Middle East.
It’s time for the far left wing to take over the Democratic party, dammit! Somebody has to get this shit out of the ditch!
Somebody told me
you had a girlfriend
who looked like a boyfriend
I had in February
of last year…
Or something like that!
I think *ilson’s hiding under the sofa.
TeddySanFran @ 113
What about little Lourdes? What about Poland?
Teddy, you are so way cooler than that tired chick!
BTW, do you have the iTunes thing goin’ on now?
On wishing you a Happy birthday,
I would like to see you have an excellent day!
Thanks Wilson, for all you do.
There, I did it!
( I remember you before the *.)
Nate- you are such a sweetie. And, don’t discount the virtual Ph.D. you have based on real world knowledge. That counts for much more than Ivory Tower stuff. xxoo
TRex @ 115
extreme ditto.
I had spaced out on the calendar and thought my BDay was on Sunday but was just astonished to realize it was Saturday which is today. Kinda startling …
Thanks for the felicitations !
Kewalo @ 99
Aloha Kewalo. Yeah, I was pretty excited about the possibility that Fox had finally put a solid liberal on who knew exactly how to treat a person like Coulter.
After a little digging when I found her blog, I was pretty let down. I just don’t get it with these people who claim to be Democrats and then spit on the Democratic Process.
Bustednuckles @ 120
There’ll always be pre-* and post-*
Happy Birthday, Wilson! Does this make you a Leo or a Virgo?
Markos is on Bill Maher tonight. Gee I hate that show but I might watch.
Never heard of Shirley Manson before, but based on this one video she’s pretty hot and cool at the same time. Her band is perfect for her minimalist style. Showing my age but I see in her a female Lou Reed with elements of Laurie Andersen, if that makes any sense.
*ilson- happy bday. I spaced out before not on my b-date (day of month of year) but the actual year. In talking to my best friend I said, gee… it’s hard to be “N” or something like that, and she said, no, you are N-1, you were born in 19NN-1, not 19NN!!! Ahh… thank you. Pretty hilarious conversation.
I am such the prototypical Virgo
op99 @ 118
na zdrowie
If I were reincarnated as a woman, I would like to be my new generation’s Karen Akers: here singing a song by Jacques Brel. But then, I’m a total fool for the mezzo and alto voice.
*ilson46201 @ 130
You mean you file your IRS tax forms on Jan 1?
orangejumpsuit @
128
It makes perfect sense to me.
Jenny 89:
Go here.
That’s refurbished ones sold by Apple at substantial discound, with brand new warranties, can’t beat the deal, and no worries about any private party sales.
I was given aa new Video 30 Gig one for Christmas, love it to pieces, especially on planes (with no snakes).
Valley Girl @ 133
as soon as I get my W-2s and 1099s, taxes get filed!
Happy b’day *ilson and thanks for moderating my at times intemperate comments.
op99 @ 98
op99-
I suspect that you’re kind of like me- very slow to anger, very reluctant to start anything, but more than happy to throw a bully out of a window or down the stairs.
Therefore, I would be poor company not to support you.
That’s all I have to say about that.
Steve Audio 135 -
Thanks so much! I feel better about that than Craigs List…
Tonight on “movies on demand,” I saw “Why we fight.” I give it five stars. Karen Kwaitowski is superb.
Patrick, I thought your original FDL rule sheet was hilarious. It’s exactly what we’ve been seeing lately.
That’s the ONLY way to buy Apple products, IMHO. Even with the education discount (I teach a class at UCLA extension), the price is better. And with the warranty, it can’t be beat.
meta @ 141
Must’ve missed that one. Link?
Valley Girl @ 133
LOL – You must have met my ex-wife! – LOL
Scorpio plus Virgo = Organized Chaos
By the way VG. Very cool post above. The bias referenced about Ben Barre’s “sister” was very telling about gender bias in professional environments. I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a better illustration of it.
Bustednuckles @ 143
Busted, above Patrick at 8:41 pm
Thanks Meta.
Very appropo Patrick.
pretty good when you piss *ilson off that much.
Bustednuckles @
146
Don’t mess with a Virgo on her birthday.
Nate “By the way VG. Very cool post above. The bias referenced about Ben Barre’s “sister” was very telling about gender bias in professional environments. I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a better illustration of it.”
I read another version of this article while I was on vacation in Maine. I had finally finished my grant proposal. And I was feeling particularly crazy about my possibly untoward sensitivities re: being a female in science. The essence of the Ben/Barbara story really saved me- made me feel like I wasn’t being a nut case, after all.
Man, I know that this is a tight group, but…
OK all, this is a clique-ey place. I’ve posted some funny:apropo:snarky stuff that daily gets ignored. I don’t think I’m funny or hip; I know I am. But newbies are largely ignored here.
If you all are content responding to each other in your little 10 person world (and the love is thick) then I’ll happily move on. But I’d guess that you don’t mean to do this. Love the lurker and the timid. We have $$$$$$ and we have contributed. I’m in for $500 via ActBlue to multiple candidates, and plan on more up to $5000.
There are plenty of us out here who love the love even if we aren’t the usual suspects.
*ilson46201 @ 136
Where is spiderpaws anyway?
It’s good to be back at the lake. Dr. Turtle is sleeping and I imagine this will go on til he gets paged. I can’t believe he’s on call after being back less than 24 hours…Anyway.
Great post Trex. The TG label being applied to coultergeist has always bothered me as well. Not only everything you bring up in your post but if people who use that reference thought about how hurtful it must be to actual transgendered people. Who want’s to be put in the same category as that heathen be-atch?
At the same time, each instance of the usage undermines and discounts the difficulty of that life choice and is actually insulting, not to mention homophobic. I could go on but I won’t. How can the worse thing we say about ann coulter be that she isn’t the gender she is? She is a self-serving asshole and she resembles NOT AT ALL any TG people I know.
Basically using that term about her is nothing short of hate speech directed toward a group of people who have made a difficult, serious, brave decision to be WHO THEY REALLY ARE, which definitly does not apply to that hateful shrew who if i weren’t in polite company I’d call the “C” word. (See you next tuesday is the best way to put it…)
I have a friend who made this difficult chioce in her late fourties. She was counseled by many to not tell her aged, conservative father. She told him nonetheless. she summed up her reasoning this way, “I lived for 48 years someone else’s idea of who I am, now I will live my idea”.
I am a Sag and welcome jb! sorry if i mistreated you.
really.
jb @ 149
Welcome. Although, I don’t think $ is much of an issue here.
Kids, I gotta run. A friend has called and needs help getting another friend to the emergency room. Friend two has had a seizure and is really out of it.
Be good to each other.
I may check back in later.
*ilson46201 @ 130
Geez you don’t have to be spiderpaws to know that one *ilson…happy B-Day!
HopeSAT,
glad you are both back and together.
jb- huh? I don’t read all the comments on every thread. Used to, but no time for that now. I mean, like, everyone except Nate ignored my superserious post above, and I’ve been here quite a while. A lot of good stuff gets “ignored”, meaning no comments, but that doesn’t mean that there aren’t readers out there nodding their heads in agreement. Hope you will stick around.
I am going to throw in one observation about transgendering then I am going to bed.
In Buddhism, the bodhisattva (avatar if you like) of compassion is named Avalokitesvara. In Buddhist iconography Avalokistesvara is depicted as male, although in the scriptures, “his” gender is never specified.
However, when Buddhism got to China, Avalokitesvara became Kwan Yin (or Guanyin) and in the process also became personified as female, also referred to as the “Godess of Mercy.”
So the point here is that from the point of view of the spirit of compassion in Buddhism, the ideal persona of compassionate action is masculine/feminine without distinction.
Don’t know if that helps, but there it is.
WOW…. What a day. I’ve been lurking on FDL for quite a while and I add comments occasionaly. I can not remember a day where we’ve had 1609 COMMENTS in one day… This just goes to show the netroots gave Ned a shot of Nedreneline and His success has in turn given the blogs like this one the legitimacy and political power that it well deserves. I’m so glad that posters like TRex and Pach all the others have added to the content that Jane and Redd… er I mean Christy have so graciously bestowed upon us…
Thanks FDL for keeping the spotlight on the relevent issues that this regime and the CM have been trying to conceal from us..
thank you…
JB,
Just because someone doesn’t respond to a post doesn’t mean it is not read or not appreciated.
-GSD
What Meta said, right down below.
jb, I think it’s maybe a blog thing in general? Not trying to trivialize what you’re saying, but I’ve been here for a year and it took about 3 months to get anyone to talk to me. It’s not malevolent. People here are tight, but it’s possible to just weave it in. I think it’s a natural human process. I know you understand.
hipp birdie, *
hi, jb, welcome, and keep on! can’t tell you how long it took them to pay attention to my brilliant and concise contributions, and still i feel ignored sometimes. but then i go back and read my own stuff, laugh, and remember that i commented for my own amusement, not for these clique-y crazies who hang out here….
seriously, many are welcome, few are acknowledged, and an eentsy-teensty number are front-page invited. we can all get along, though, and enjoy.
Nate @ 124
Yes, I have to admit to feeling very disappointed. She sure came across as one of us. I didn’t even bother to find out her reasoning. Who cares, she’s just a DINO and a Faux DINO at that.
Bless you, TRex.
Patrick @ 138
Quick to jump on those I perceive to be threats to the community, sarcastically mellow otherwise.
*ilson46201 @ 136
Seems that my earlier comment got truncated. I said: hmm guess there is something to this Astrology stuff after all. I’m a Sag- others out there? Hi Angie!!!
So, I guess there is something to Astrological types!!! Any Sags out there?
I do. But it’s all about me! Waaaaaaah!
Or not…. :)
jb
meta @ 161
Has anyone seen Teddy?
jb @ 149
jb – I know exactly what you mean but I also know it’s not intentional. I still get it a lot myself. Only Kewalo and VG answered me and no one else has commented on my stuff above either. Even my personal story about my transgendered friend here in Hawaii which I thought had a nice humorous tint to it didn’t get a single comment.
Just keep commenting and don’t give up. It’s what I do. People aren’t intentionally that way here I’ve found. But the comments here move very fast and sometimes things just get lost in the noise. Sometimes people only really scan for names they know because they know they relate well to that person.
I certainly don’t speak for FDL, in fact, far from it. And I do know exactly what you mean. But this place is great and the people are really smart and a lot of good things get done here so I refuse to let myself get down by it when it happens to me.
Besides… TRex left a comment on my blog last week. That alone caused me to do the Snoopy Dance around my living room for a few minutes. :)
jb @ 149
jb,
Let me tell you a secret.
Something that I haven’t told anyone here.
I was homeless last month.
I slept in a van for a week.
I’ve got a good job, I just broke up with my girlfriend and moved out suddenly.
I have a place now, but I would like to point out to you that money aint everything.
‘K?
orangejumpsuit @ 158
Oh man, you have no idea how very helpful that is right now. Thank. You. orange.
I comment about Nate all the time. Aloha Nate!
jb –
getting a response is hit or miss —
may we surmise that the person you would like to be is — an appreciated commenter at FireDogLake?
Thank You for all of you contributions; thank you, for letting us know that we haven’t responded to your other posts — please, post again!!!
Hope, girl! Are you on the ground?
TeddySanFran @ 162
you sir, are a person of the highest regard, immho. (in my most honest opinion)
oh, and in answer to TRex’s puzzler, if I had to land on the other side of the gender fence, I’d like to land somewhere in the thoughtful and talented neighborhood of (the now sober) Chan Marshall of Cat Power.
Check out this performance with her new band.
Holy cow.
Busted! I’m so sorry to hear of your misadventure. You can sleep on my couch anytime. Thanks for the warm welcome home.
I wonder if something is going on at Fox.
Remember that Murdoch was conservative who got on the Blair bandwagon, because Blair was seen as a winner.
In the past few weeks I have noticed that Fox aint so white and male anymore.
They hired my favorite from CNN/Headline newsreader–a distinctly exotic looking woman with a nice foreign sounding name–Iranian I think–Rudy Bahktiar…there was another black women who does the news breaks, something King..and I just saw tonight that they hired a woman who used to work in the Boston market…with the very exotic name Uma Pemmarju….
Old Rupert, fundraising for Hillary and all.
He will go where the money is.
-GSD
meta…I am home…and so is the doc. Sweet relief. Thanks.
… and all is well in Turtledom! Yay!
Busted– oh my– my heart hurts for you.
ojs- wow.
HopeSprings!!! :-)
I’m so glad to see you back and well. By the way, I featured your “Day in the Life” post today. Sorry it took a few days to get to it.
It was really terrific. You were missed in your absence from FDL.
The Boston media market….not the cheesy fast food Boston Maaahhhket.
-GSD
Hi Kewalo, TRex, and jb from NM (right?) and to everyone.
I have to tell you I get lost in the comments, lost in going from link to link. Sometimes when i try to compose a comment I censor it like it’s gonna be up for a Tony award or something, and sometimes just give up because 49 people already said it better than I did and why bother.
So if I don’t respond to you, it’s me with the problem, not you all.
Busted- you are being harsh on the $$$ thing, maybe? And you know I xxoo you.
oh yeah the gender question… i always fancied myself Tom Cruise-ish, until he turned out to be a raging lunatic. he was so atractive til he lost his mind. I was a crew chief on fighter aircraft for my first few years in the Air Force and always had a soft spot for ‘Maverick’ in Top Gun. Oh well.
Nate, your blog rocks.
Busted, bring your sleeping bag to the lake and heave a sigh.
jb –
another way to get noticed –
come up with a way cool user name . . .
c.k. are my initials; no big deal, i used them to sign emails, and reverted to them after signing up at BFA and dKos as Charles K –
guess what? i got a bunch of positive feedback for adding the hyphen wings to my initials -ck-
it happened, because ck is unsearchable without them.
so — your mission, if you choose to accept it — is to come up with a handle, that captures the essence of you . . .
Busted:
I feel your pain. I’ve been contributing to Ned and local Patty Wetterling even though I can’t afford it right now. I just feel how important it is right now.
I sense bitterness in your reponse; money was not my point other than to point out that I am active in the ROOTZ gig.
Best of luck to you!
Bustednuckles @ 170
HopeSpringsATurtle @ 186
me too, until i found out it was all about the Duke-stir Cunningham, now-jailed San Diego Congressman….
Nate @ 182
Aw shucks Naters. Thanks. I just posted a few minutes ago another installment. And Doctor T is gonna do a ‘guest’ post for me you might wanna run. Ok…nuff blog-whoring.
Checking back in — lotus, you still here??
Oh, and to answer the who-would-I-be question.
Without a doubt, Patti Smith.
And Shelly Winters. That babe screwed every hot guy in Hollywood. And she could act.
Busted- sorry- I thought you were kidding about your travails, and other wiser commenters have made it clear that I misjudged. I am so sorry for my previous remark. I hope that things improve for you. Homeless? I’m here, and I got a spare bedroom.
We’ve all really been thinking about you, Hope. What a strange mission we walk.
jb… ha!
Once you get used to the sort of contemplative nature of this place (really very thoughtful) you’ll come to appreciate that aspect — but at first it can be disconcerting (I’m new here too). No pressure to respond is actually a pretty nice thing. I think I make 10 comments to each 1 that gets a response. :)
But you always know you’re being heard. For example, every time Valley Girl asks a question it’s something I too was wondering, and I’ve been meaning to thank her for that.
Thanks, VG!
Hi TRex – I think I would be either Yo-Yo Ma or the Dalai Lama.
The point of commenting is to contribute to the conversation not to earn mojo points like some places we know.
like…Jenny from the Blog. there are too many to list, but Jenny’s is one of my faves.
meta @ 187
Thanks Meta! :)
HopeSprings… Admit it! You just liked “Maverick” in the beach volley ball scene where they miraculously stayed well oiled and free of sand even though they were diving and sliding the whole time.
Besides, Rick Rossovich had a much better body than Tommy boy did and Val Kilmer was way better looking! :) Anthony Edwards was still in his “Revenge of the Nerds” days.
Oh, and hi everybody else too
HopeSAT! I was just asking after you last night! Welcome back!
Hey medaka, what time is it there? Don’t tell me you have coffee and muffins because I’m about to break out the champagne since Hope and her SO are home in one piece.
Oh, and hi to you too, Sharkbabe *g*!
Busted-
I’ve been there, only without the van.
It sucks, for sure, but it’s just one less thing to be afraid of, once you’ve lived through it.
At least, that’s how it was for me. I was homeless for a year. TRex got pretty tired of looking at me on his couch when I wasn’t out on tour with my band.
Glad you’ve got some new digs.
Revel in it, and make your own coffee. That’s the best feeling.
Hey Sharkbabe!
good choices on the male thing … I’ve been thinking some more and I’d wanna be Jet Li … just to do that wonderful hand beckon gesture and move like he does in Once Upon a Time in China (which must be watched on the DVD version since the VHS version is mangled)
Jenny – yes I’ve noticed that sychronicity too! Only the second time it’s happened to me at FDL. Other time was when Cozumel seemed to anticipate or agree with (w/o saying) exactly what I was thinking. It was so striking that of course I figured he (now I know) was female!!! Just goes to show the mistakes we can make in trying to “read” online comments!!! xxoo
Thanks, Hope Springs!
And welcome home. :)
Coastie! Thanks. I cannot tell you how much you guys buoyed both of us while in Europe. Doc T reead all your comments and was touched. He said, “Why do these people even care about me being here?” I told him that caring is the nature of those attracted to the Lake.
YoYo Ma!
we are waiting for the full report, Hope…!
Nate,
Congressman Charlie Brown…. Sweet.
He needs some theme music too.
-GSD
I have a new post up Coastie. Click me.
VG -
That is extremely interesting. I should say it surprises me, but somehow it doesn’t, if you know what I mean.
Oh my, I’ve been thinking Cozumel is a woman all this time. As Kurt would say… hehe.
HopeSpringsATurle has to be one of my favorite names. Jenny From the Blog is definitely a great one. I’m so un-original I just used my real name. :)
However I have occasionally be known to comment anonymously on other blogs as TAI:42. TAI standing for: The Answer Is Always loved Hitchikers Guide.
driveby — time to catch up on today’s threads.
But
Happy Birthday, *ilson!
(from another Virgo)
and, – ck-, I still laugh to myself about your ear muffs, @ck@
(or was it Princess Leia?)
cheers and good evening
Hope!!! Siun!!! Sharkbabe!!!
Sharkbabe- can I say this w/out being offensive? If I have crossed the line, tell me and I will delete my comment- but if I were L, I would like to be you!!!
arright, firedogs.
I have to catch a plane to Indiana in the morning.
best regards to all-
Hope, glad you’re home safe, and doubly ditto for your man.
Make your own coffee. That’s the best feeling. ;-)
Suin –
I’ve wanted to have a conversation with you, as to what happened at the Whiskey Bar as it grew and grew and changed and changed —
FDL has evolved, and generally kept the kernel together; but not entirely, and the issue remains open –
how does a blog grow and change, without losing it’s essential character?
food for thought — and discussion at a later date . . .
HopeSpringsATurtle @ 212
That sounds deliciously kinky in a blog sort of way. You lucky dog coastie!
Jenny- so that is really funny- the synchonicity has been triangulated!!! Coz doesn’t seem to be around to appreciate it tho.
meta @ 202
Hi meta, it’s two in the afternoon here, and I need some very cold oolong. Then I can join you in a toast to Hope’s return….
So, jb, my first goal as a commenter was to get up the nerve to do it. (months)
My next goal was to get someone to respond to me. (weeks)
Now maybe Jane or Redd will address me? (months)
Awright! Now maybe the other one will. (days)
Okay, now what do I have to do to get a front page mention? (months)
Cool, now how about my comment getting excerpted on the front page? (still waiting)
So why the hell do you want to get on this damn hamster wheel anyway?
Margot @ 184
Hi Margot, yep I’m a newbie too and I know it’s hard being the new kid on the block. But the only time I felt bad was when I posted a great link and nobody commented. But I lived and even though I don’t always speak up I enjoy the knowledge, humor and warmth here at the lake. I don’t know about jb, but if I think something is important I’ll speak up. I was at the FDL caucus and feel I know some of you all. LOL
Thanks for the howdy!
Evening. Misc:
1. commenter jb: oh, sometimes anyone here will make a comment and not get a direct response. No big deal in my book. In time interaction will happen. If you present a different slant on occasion, you’ll be fine. A VERY small few will repeatedly call you a troll, a mole, and so forth. But they are the ones with no sense, and heads firmly where the sun don’t shine. Treat them accordingly.
2. this “lesbian” down in Alabama: I don’t understand what’s the reasoning of those folks. I could care less if the gal happens to be a martian. By all accounts, there was an election. She won the election. A clean election. So she won it fair and square. Why won’t they honor her as the winner? Seems to be her due. I’m on the gal’s side. She won a fair election. That’s the way we do things in our country.
3. The TRex article: well….I sure don’t know much about TG folk. But I wish them all well. TRex asks, I think, who would you be if you were the other sex. Egad! And now I chuckling. The thought of Ghostman being a gal…is mind boggling!
Ghostman
C’mon, Ghostman. Give it a whirl!
Here, let me blog pimp HopeSAT’s post at her own blog here
tears are streaming down my face…
why?
Bustednuckles –
Back in my youth (22-23) I lived in a tent in the Arizona desert, and later lived out of the back of my 1949 Chevy pickup. I stayed with friends, but mostly camped out — while taking auto mechanic classes at Pima Community College.
It got old and ended, after some drunks tried to run me over, and a county sheriff woke me up in the morning . . .
Glad to hear you have new digs — yea!!!
Oh, and for any newbies who are wondering, FDL late nite is most often the most OT and “random” comment thread… so it is the most “hit or miss” FDL destination as far as responses to comments.
Oy, I meant to say I also thought Cozumel was *male*. Whatever, it IS the transgender thread after all!
VG, hey and thanks!
Oh and, no you wouldn’t. :)
Now let me make sure that I understand this correctly: if I contribute $1000 to ActBlue, I have to pay taxes on that money. If my brother contributes $1000 to the Heritage Foundation, he gets to write it off.
Do I have that correct?
I have basically gotten at least half of the genders wrong since being here. If the handle isn’t “Dave”, I have a good chance of missing.
Also Angie and VG and really everybody here that has taken the time to send your kindness our way, it is very appreciated.
GSD @ 211
I actually spoke to Col Brown’s Communications Director the other day GSD and volunteered to build a Flash Website devoted to the rampant corruption of John Doolittle. I was planning on getting some input from the FDL gang once I got started.
meta….too late in the evening for the “Ghost” to visit some justice on a few jerks. I’ll let them remain in their darkness.
angie….why…what? I’m not understanding you.
Ghostman
Jenny- you are forgiven. Coz has several times mentioned his “manx cat”, Cozumel. But not before I thought he was female. And, then, I was just a newbie back then!!!
-ck- The Whiskey Bar adventure certainly was interesting – and I was just talking about all that recently with Okie and Stoy who came to Chicago for a great evening of dinner and talk.
The entire theme of how you build and then sustain community online is one that’s interested me since ‘86 … and the Billmon experience was quite something.
What do you think?
Sorry folks,
I should have kept my mouth shut.
‘ I’m fine .
JB,Didn’t mean to scrape you about the money thing per se.
you sorta came across my bow the wrong way.
See Patrick at 8;41.
Valley Girl @ 235
Thanks, VG. ‘night all!
Go up close and cling to him hard, HSAT! Doncha ever part– you both have seen the ugly part of life and you know what good there is to be captured, too!
Ghostman -
You’d THINK it’d be the way things are done, but democracy seems to be having a time of it coming up for air these days… Alabama (from the reading I’ve done – no personal experience), has some of the most brutal homophobia going on in this country – dial the clock back about 50 years… there are also some additional issues with a fundie African American population tossing in on the other side of the argument…
lots and lots of fear going on down there…
Sharkbabe- I’ve had my own travails too, and I was taking that into account. BTW, did you ever find a way to deal with the nasty neighbor dog/s?
Wigwam –
Political contributions are not tax deductible –
Deductions to 501C-3’s are tax deductible; however, C-3’s can only devote 20% of their energy to politics.
Deductions to 501C-4s are not deductible, but the C-4’s are tax exempt — but 100% of their efforts can be political.
g’nite all, whatever yer gender. see ya tomorrow for coffee with Redd, or BlueAmerica if I sleep in….
night Teddy….
Siun- FDL is unique in that comments are still open, and don’t require registration. Unique- meaning I don’t know of other high profile blogs/ high traffic blogs that have this feature. I know that J and C are committed to this, but it can be very hard work (brava J and C and brava/bravo mods). I wonder sometimes if FDL will be able to sustain this policy..
Coastie….goodness. I had no idea things were that bad in Alabama. Yet….I probably shouldn’t throw too many rocks at Alabama. Being a born and bred Texan….we do have some glass houses down here!
But that gal in Alabama is being done wrong. She won that election. Period. A very sad day for Alabama and our great country.
Ghostman
Hope, great post on your blog. The Purple Heart is such an empty symbol. My father got one from the Battle of Bataan as he was wounded in the Death March. All I can think of is a bruised heart.
nite, Teddy
Busted – the comment by our new friend that they had made a lot of donations hit me poorly as well … sorta felt like an attempt to buy our affections iykwim but I’m waiting to see what jb posts before saying anything else.
Hope – not sure if this has been asked since I’ve been swamped with Lamont time and then makeup work time – I know that there were some good programs to send cards, books, etc to both staff and patients at Lands…(too tired to spell tonight) … are there any programs you find solid these days, or can we do anything to help the docs and nurses?
all right, I’m still trying to figure out who I’d be if I were a man… a living person? James Taylor… I’d be able to play a cool guitar and would have had Carly Simon as my wife… that wouldn’t be too bad! (course, I woulda skipped the herion addiction)… a dead guy? Ansel Adams… I would love to have that kind of vision and be able to apply to my art…
Suin –
FDL is the best thing on the web, since the Whiskey Bar; but more of a coffee house, than a smokey dive. Plus, FDL benefits from moderation and guest posters — Billmon kept his place going by himself, and it wore him down.
Bustedknuckles –
No need to apologize; many of us had a similar reaction, but we chose to put out the welcome mat — seeing how there has been some concern about short fuses and all.
So you are doing okay? Being homeless is a drag — we humans need roots and community, and that’s why so many of us hang out here.
You are a treasured FDLer, Bustedknuckles!!!
TRex:
I am happy to read that you enjoyed that Kirsten Powers thumping of Ann, the crazy bitch. It shows how Ann is made up of talking points and lies only: “things go swimmingly in Afghanistan”. How difficult can it be to just tell her “It ain’t so, dumbass!” Pity that Matt Lauer couldn’t do it, but I sooooo enjoyed how Kirsten handled her.
Ghostman @ 246
As I understand it, she won two elections –> highest vote total and then winning the run-off. I agree with the earlier comment that I don’t understand why this doesn’t bring the DNC down quickly. I’m imagining how this mess could end up in 30 second R commercials…
Ghostman – I think the AL Dem committee that is pulling this stunt is gonna get bit hard in the arse… apparently the rule was never implemented… so all’s they’ve done is create a big mess and a lot of hard feelings – they should all be tossed out on their collective butts!
I have this funny feeling that if I were to express a preference (of some male I’d like to be if I could be a man for a day) it would be really bad juju. And that’s pretty stupid thinking.
So how about….Terry Pratchett!
(My other choices were Lou Diamond Phillips, Jimmy Smits and Orson Bean. LOL)
Doc T just awoke and he said he will find out whatis available in the way of programs. I’ll get back to you on it Suin, thanks.
Thanks -ck-
I actually tried to not post that.
Short fuse might be right on there.
And I certainly don’t want to be accused of crying ‘troll’.
Just came out. Sorry.
And Thanks again, friends have to watch friends fuck up occasionally I guess.
I just left you a comment HSAT. My eyes are teary, my hands are shaking and I need to go for a walk or a swim to go cool down my anger. Thank you babe. Bless you and thank you. I will feature it tonight but right now I need to cool down before my roommate has to suffer another verbal tirade directed at Bushco.
Go read her post everyone. Be strong and go read it!
VG – having just joined the mod squad sorta (you all are so fast and efficient and I’ve been so slammed with work since Jane was here, I haven’t done anything yet)I’m interested to see how much is dealt with.
I actually am much less dogmatic about registrations – never bothered me at Whiskey Bar, etc and has some benefits but I know that many folks find it distressing to sign in.
Sustaining open comments is, to my mind, less an issue than many other issues in comm dev. At Billmon’s, he did not want to give anyone else the ability to mod and when the community got too big and engaged, it was too much for him to handle alone so he kicked us out …
Hmmm…if I was another gender?
It would have to be Susan Sarandon, and I’d have to be a lesbian too! *g*
OldCoastie and Ghostman –
I think this Alabama purge thingy will all work out for the good —
In that the issues are brought front and center, and when people realize that GLBT folk are their neighbors and not the ‘other’ — it increases tolerance and understanding.
HopeSAT – were these “barracks” that Dr. T was living in? as in gov’t owned and operated? or some sort of local TAD rentals?
-ck- @ 261
I agree – I think it will shake some stuff out… but the ugliness of the whole thing is just disturbing… once again, the question is where is the National party on this – why aren’t they down there enforcing some discipline? sorta has a Lamontesque kinda feel…
OT- but does anyone have egregious’s email addy? I would like to contact her, to see how she is doing. You can email me at tenureransom AT hotmail DOT com. Thanks all. VG
Hope – Thanks! I know a while ago, there were calls for simple things like tshirts and such for patients who were well enough to go out since they arrived without their things and were sorta stuck …
more great planning by the powers that be
kak and coastie; borrowing from my days of old…run a REAL Intel Op: send a microphone down there to get those so-called Ala Dems also supporting HoJo. Then spring it….”typical HoJo supporters, won’t even honor a fair election, and haters of Lesbians.”
Chuckle. Way too fanciful…but it does make me smile.
Ghostman
VG – I don’t have egreg’s address, but I do think she stopped in on an earlier thread (I think, but I’ve been in and out all day)
and I appreciate your concern
Suin –
Do you remember SallyH?
She fancied herself to be the patio vamp/goddess of Billmons Place — I saw her as a Whiskey Bar floozy.
At any rate, when she showed up, it changed the character of the conversation for lots of (male) posters . . .
Angels vs Yankees, bottom of the 9th, tied at 5… Anderson hit a double, no outs… come on, Angels!
The ‘housing’ on the hospital grounds. It’s where the reservist stay if the Ramstein Inn is full. Ramstein is about 12 miles away. There are no real facilities on the hospital grounds. Zero entertainment. No place to get a beer and wind down after seeing horror all day. My husband didn’t have a car, nor did they provide any transportation. It’s about 3/4 a mile up a hill to the hospital from the villiage of Landstuhl. And its a miserable place to be. You think they could have given him someplace or some way to get someplace to have a respite from all that he dealt with, hands-on. The Doctors have the shortest rotations and you can see why. Constant, never-ending carnage, everyday.
OldCoastie- thanks- I will try to find the comment. I emailed her at her FDL addy, but haven’t had a reply. Sometimes people give secondary addys when they sign in. I believe that several FDLers are in email contact with her, and might have a more direct address. I am hoping that she is okay.
Ghostman @ 266
707
We need more Intel ops just like that
Isn’t there another meeting scheduled for Saturday (tomorrow/today depending upon your timezone) in Alabama to resolve this?
Hope – it’s amazing to me that they would treat Officers (not to mention doctors) like this! everywhere else, O’s got someone making their bed, cleaning their quarters and serving them lunch with fine silver!
I do remember Sally … there certainly were some interesting personalities …
the tension between on and off topic is always fascinating and seemed to be Billmon’s big issue … FDl deals with that by simply flowing along and only putting a few posts off limits to OT comments
Back in the day … CIS in the late ’80s, we used to get yelled at on Mac Community posts when we went OT but we called them “degenerate threads” and they were often the best of all (and made the CIS sysops the most money since we all stayed online longer to participate)
I’ve always felt that the degenerate threads were the glue of a good community … and the acceptance of just general chat really helps to keep FDL so good
VG – if I’m remembering correctly (might have been this morning), she seemed fine… something about the night time…
Hope- I have to admit that having read Nate’s comments and others in response to your own blog post, I have not had the courage to read it this eve. But, I will I promise. I have my ups and downs as to the anger/ sanity/ etc. balance on my own part. I don’t know how you do it. But you do. Hats off to you, my dear. xxoo
2. Slightly less empathetic than a box of tacks.
thumbtacks of the world, unite, emphatically!
Has anyone heard from looseheadprop lately?
IIrc she was laid up.
punaise @ 278
Sending out your glossies again? Lol
punaise! where ya’ been?
There was a letter to the editor in my little hometown paper in NH about Grover Norquist.
The writer said they recieved a package from Norquist’s outfit, AFT(Americans for Tax Reform–I think) and the writer was shocked that the US postal service considered AFT to be a tax-exempt organization and offered bulk mailing rates at 5 cents a package or something cheap like that.
Of course Grover famously said that he wants to reduce government to the size where it “can be drowned in the tub”..a creepy metaphor no doubt..
Anyhow, Mr. Anti-Government himself is more than happy to let the USPS lug his mail around and deliver it for pennies on the dollar.
No surprise from me, IOKIYAAR…….
-GSD
OldCoastie- thanks- that is reassuring.
OldCoastie @ 281
just chillin’ with punaise jr. and his friends
lhp’s okay.
thanks be to the moon, the stars, and the planet (s)!
Angels win! beat those bad boy Yankees!!! (shh! it’s late and I’m trying not to wake the doggies!)
1. kak: the Op would be for the younger crew. I’ll manage from the shadows. Chuckle.
2. Mr. Knuckles: I’m pretty sure Ms. prop made a few comments earlier today. I think she’s fine from her injury.
Ghostman
OT- punaise- as you know there was a “gap” in my life at FDL, but thanks to you and imm, I am now recovering. But, I need to know- did the nouvel chat ever get a name?
OldCoastie @ 286
rrrrrruffffffff! oh,
ssssssssssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhh.
OldCoastie @ 269
They just won, 6-5, beat the damn (pun intended) Yankees.
All true Southern Californians are Angels fans.
Valley Girl @ 288
well, we struggled and settled on Louis (a la Louis XIV), but no one’s very excited about it
Oh HSAT,
I don’t know what happened to America.
-GSD
oh angie! Yankees FREQUENTLY give it up to the Angels! they play like such boneheads when they are out here! and not much better at Yankee stadium…
new cat?
et tu, VG @ 288?
Back in my day, I was a Dodger’s fan. Me, a kid, I loved to listen to Vin Scully and Jerry Dogget call the games. Top of the ninth- bottom of the ninth- figured out that the top of the slide/inning (literally) was the beginning and the bottom of the slide was the end. Still love the lingo. Current BB, not so much.
SteveAudio – I like this new kid, Kendrick… plays great 1st base and he’s a kick to watch hit – very old-fashioned, upright stance… and MAN! can he whack the ball!
punaise- cheer up. Just get the house rockin with Louie, Louie by the Kingsmen. Wish I knew how to find a YouTube for that one.
Watched the repeat of Bill Maher’s new season. He got a big laugh out of bringing up Scarborough’s show asking if Bush is an idiot. Bill said, “I think the science is in on this”.
He had a tray of products or liquids that you just absolutely can not bring on planes anymore:
- Dr. Scholls shoe-bomb gel inserts
- Arm n Hammas baking soda
- Martyr sauce
- Jihad Your Hair Smells Terrific shampoo
- Soap on a fuse
- Tick Tocks breath mints
- Behead n Shoulders
- Pray n Wash cleaner
- Pezbollah candy dispenser
btw, Christopher Hitchens was his usual unending blow hard asshat self. He insulted the audience directly more than once and flipped them off at one point. Max Cleland was great! He thoroughly enjoyed himself, even got a big kick when Bill brought the planes back up in his New Rules, he said now tell me where I am supposed to hide my weed! I used to hide it in my hair gel!
VG – I started going to the Dodger games when Sandy Koufax and Don Drysdale were pitching… but the Angels – 2002? – their trip to the World Series? what an unlikely story that was! I’ve been completely hooked ever since…
doesn’t hurt that Angel stadium is about 35 minutes from my house, either… what a nice way to spend a summer afternoon or evening…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FhwTZPSe0c
Louie Louie
Angie, no new chat pour moi. But, I am a cat person. While in CT I made friends with BF’s shy reluctant cat to unprecidented cat acclaim.
Valley Girl @
298
Kewalo @ 301
merci! (kingsmen / le roi soleil….)
bustednuckles @ 170-
I know something of what you went through- after years of a $48K annual salary, domestic violence on the part of the ex, plus imminent disappearance of that job and its attendant benefits and a couple other major things, I just gave up, and ran away from home with the kids. I had family, but it’s hard to mesh being the self-sufficient adult you are with the kid the folks want you to be. I haven’t gotten to homeless, but there are many layers of independence and identity that can be stripped away in a heartbeat, leaving you trying to re-learn how to speak simple english again, and not dump your trainwreck in the laps of the innocent bystanders.
Time and patience, and god’s grace, will help.
OldCoastie @
297
Yeah, I think he’s the future of the Angels. We’re in sad time, with Salmon retiring, plus I think we’re soon seeing the last of GA, Erstad, a few others.
But how about Figgins? Man, I love that kid!
Interesting analysis regarding the Israeli/Lebanon conflict.
From Anti-War.com.
-GSD
Dean Vernon Wormer:
“Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son.”
Angie and Coastie
I don’t know about the nurses that get this TDY (temp. duty assignment). Everyone I met was stationed there at LRMC. The nurses have longer rotations I know that. The only others that get the hospitals glorious digs are residents on a one month rotation. I can tell you that other officers seem to get better treatment than the doctors and I can’t for the life of me figure out why. The Bush thugs have a bizarre way of promoting their “culture of life”. It is a fascination with death, as long as its not them.
OldCoastie- ahem- we must be of the same generation! Sandy Koufax, Don Drysdale.
~~Sandy Koufax, oh my Drysdale,
Maury Wills, I love you so.
And we defy
Defy the J-I,
J-I-N
J-I-N-T,
The J-I-N-T-S, Gi’nts!
Play ball!
Orlando Cepeda is at bat with the bases jammed.
Orlando Cepeda, with a wham, bam, he hit a grand slam.
In the very first inning, but it’s only the begining,
In the third, like a bird, we get two on, none away.~~
http://www.lyricz.net/K/Kaye Danny/136168/
Yes, I followed the Angel’s miracle.
But, the BB strike in the 90’s stopped me watching BB. And, when I tuned back in, the game had changed. One thing I liked before was that it was a game played by guys, who, well, looked like ordinary guys. Not super muscle. Not like FB or BB guys. Not now. So, the innocence is gone, for me.
G-night, Me gotta go now.
-GSD
Louie Louie, oh no
Me gotta go
Aye-yi-yi-yi, I said
Louie Louie, oh baby
Me gotta go
Fine little girl waits for me
Catch a ship across the sea
Sail that ship about, all alone
Never know if I make it home
CHORUS
Three nights and days I sail the sea
Think of girl, constantly
On that ship, I dream she’s there
I smell the rose in her hair.
CHORUS
Okay, let’s give it to ‘em, right now!
GUITAR SOLO
See Jamaica, the moon above
It won’t be long, me see me love
Take her in my arms again
Tell her I’ll never leave again
CHORUS
Let’s take it on outa here now
Let’s go!!
Steve – I think Salmon will coach, so we don’t REALLY lose him… GA? sad, but he’s getting pretty old… Erstad should NEVER been moved off 1st base – you just knew he’d get hurt…
I’m laughing at myself though… at the beginning of the season, I was so disturbed by all the new faces – positively grumpy about it… but then, look at Napoli (I still miss Bengie!) and Kendrick – I’m getting over it a little… and Figgins is doing very well in center – a great position for him… (don’t get me started about Mike not putting Rivera in left field last year!)
Is that a goodnight a GSD? if so, sweet dreams.
Kewalo- oh thank you! I am on dialup, so the YouTube is still loading in the background, but I know I will love it!!!
GSD @ 306
Thanks for the link.
I read the Hersh article in the New Yorker yesterday and (like many of his articles on the ME/neo-cons) the logical progression he lays out is very persuasive. Also there was the article in the NYTimes today (probably mentioned backthread) about how Israel may have been using cluster munitions in Lebanon in violate of “secret” agreements with us.
Does that mean they’re on Double Secret Probation from now on?
(and we REALLY mean it this time or else)
One of my most favorite songs by Garbage is #1 Crush…just completely rules.
I wish someone would put the video for that up…
I’d be Nina Simone, except for the being dead part.
HSAT – I don’t get it either… I still say when Shrub starts serving his sentence, he spends the 1st year as an orderly at this hospital, living in your husband’s quarters… while I don’t think it would work, it holds the promise of teaching him some humility…
sing IT! VG!
I can’t give up on baseball… sitting in the backyard with the radio playing the game, sippin’ a beer… small pleasures, my dear! little pieces of heaven…
okay, as a transwoman…? I’ve never heard/seen the abbreviation “TGP”. TG, sure; TS, yah; hell, there’s even the loathesome “shemale” or “he-she”. but just so y’all know, the three letters “TGP” I think belong exclusively to TRex’s post here tonight. (which is just fine. if I use a multisyllabic phrase that I’m repeating often enough, I’ll do the same. but just, y’know, be advised.)
oh, and TRex…? thanks for the VERY sympathetic post. even in these darkest Bush years, the kindness one finds is heartening. (and thanks also for addressing the transCoulter subject. NO, she’s not, as far as my trans-dar can tell, anyway. but moreover, if one wants to attack the bitch, there’s more than enough there to attack without going anywhere near her genitalia. eww.)
I have a good friend who is pre-op transgender, and he is utterly fearless. It is really amazing to me how open he is with his gender identification. And as a result of that unblinking courage, I’ve been stunned to see that most people, even in a conservative area of North Carolina, accept it unquestioningly.
As for empathy, I remember, after a few minutes conversing, an old lady in the grocery store commenting cheerily to him “You’re such a sweet boy!” He was positively beaming for the rest of the day. Two great compliments in one.
Thanks for the great post, TRex. While Ann Coulter does have a noticably pronounced adams apple, I don’t think that calling her ‘TG’ or ‘Mann Coulter’ or similar things is in any way appropriate. Doing so is not a smear against Coulter. That’s a smear against my friend, and many others like him.
Night…Ghostman goeth away. Personal note…..GSD, so those are the AUTHENTIC lyrics? Me and the Boys would go round and round on that. Ya’ll remember the controversy. Night.
Ghostman
OldCoastie 310:
Word, as the kids say!
evening all – too exhausting a week to catch up on all the threads – read posts only for everything since Spin I’m in. Can’t miss late night comments, though.
I’d want to be James Garner.
Valley Girl @ 312
YVW! It’s from 1966, can you believe. I just got broadband and still consider it a miracle.
I’m glad to help :)
g’ nite, Ghostman…
hey, Astral! good to see you!
Shirley Manson is definitely one of the coolest ladies around. My favorite song is Special. Not so sure about this one though…teens who cut themselves. Sometimes you just have to get over yourself, but I never was one, so I don’t know, what it feels like for a girl.
good to be seen OC – and back at you! pretty goofy week on my end. everything always happens all at the same time, and I am here recharging and trying to get bouyed up to do some staterootsproject work before sleeping and then going into work for a bit tomorrow.
OK, I’ll take a stab: hip-hop singer Lauryn Hill
Much better Garbage TG songs are Androgyny, and Cherry Lips.
astral – you DO sound busy! YIKES!
GSD @
64
Workin’ on it in L.A. Orange County seems a little resistant right now ….
that is part of the kookiness of it. Normally, plenty of time for all. But this week sees the confluence of massive travel plans for honcho going drastically awry and me trying to get set up with my new doctor, including today’s after-work MRI. Tomorrow to work is being on call in case the house of boarding cards collapses (again). It is emotional tiredness, way more than physical.
is it me or do guys here have a lot more interesting choices in choosing the opposite than than the women do?
heading off to sleep here but first …
the wonderful Bob Geiger has the Saturday Cartoons up early … don’t miss them:
http://bobgeiger.blogspot.com/…..ns_26.html
and on cluster bombs – I love the idea that we are upset when we rushed those very bombs to them … and merrily use them ourselves all over Iraq … there have been large numbers of Iraqi children hurt by the bomblets from shock & awe days
good night, Siun – thanks for the link…
punaise @ 327
mwahaha… do you have a YouTube link? And, can you please remind me- what is a hip-hop singer?
I think my choice might be boring because I thought of it in terms of gender switch PLUS upgrade. James Garner is an appealing man, but what I find so nice about him is his smile and open demeanor — I am prone to hermit-iness.
VG … here you go:
Fugees … Ready or Not … Lauryn is the girl …
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wyt79SUI7ps
come to think of it, being Wycliff would not be too bad!
Lauryn Hill – Ex-Factor
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J89c5Y-bDYs
Way, way too hard Trex. At 46 I still don’t know what I want to be when I grow up. And now you want to lift gender restrictions? That was about the only rule I was kind of sure of.
Suin- thanks- as I am still on dial-up I am still waiting for the Kingsman on dial-up.
astral – I understand your thinking (no criticism implied), but didn’t you find it kinda hard to think of a man that really possessed the qualities you wanted?
punaise- also checking out your YouTube link…
well, I’m turning into a pumpkin… good night all!
and a great youtube of killing me softly …
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4FN5gEFBUA
Punaise – I saw her live at “smokin’ grooves” about 4 years ago and was actually quite disappointed, this was during the depression phase I guess but damn, I wanted her to be so good … instead I was blown away by Ceelo and Jurassic Five … oh and Jaguar Wright – whoa!
TERROR’S HAND
DEW
WROUGHT TO YOU BY
.
siun, VG: as you know, my designation was somewhat tongue in cheek – but her album “The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill” is quite good. She seems to have had trouble coping with fame/celebrity.
OldCoastie @ 340
Yes – it is impossible. I ended up going with somebody that when I see him, especially in the Great Escape and Rockford Files (in syndication when I was a young girl), it makes me a little happier.
woops! Night OldCoastie!
Siun @ 344
That was just wonderful! I don’t think I’ve ever heard her sing before. Thank you so much. I just love that song and she did such a fine job.
Hey, you guys? There was a very interesting comment by a transgendered person in the moderation queue. I approved it, I thought, but now it’s gone.
This person raised the question as to whether or not TGP was a legitimate abbreviation for “transgendered person”. I don’t know where I heard that, or if I even made it up myself. I thought it was something in common usage.
If that commenter is still around, please don’t hesitate to comment again.
Miseducation is a real treat … and she’s a serious talent but damn, the lady can be depressed.
so really going to sleep now but here’s a last one for you Punaise!
Ceelo, Santana and Lauryn:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sum_edkjUcg
thanks, Siun
bon anniversaire, *ilson
‘night all
*plouf*
VG – OT
You could try posting a comment on egregious’ blog
http://mcegregious.blogspot.com/
Maybe it’s set up so that she gets notified of comments…
I’ve been meaning to post something over there myself, since I have a similar diagnosis. I agree with OC that she seemed more upbeat in some interim posts. There is often a predictability to the swings, so late nights may be ‘bad’ generally.
On the baseball tangent — is there any type of glossary online for the slang used by the broadcasters? I never listened to baseball and then my nephew got drafted to the minors, so I’ve been trying to learn it from context. I can’t really ask at sports boards, ’cause I decided it’s best to not register at all (lest I be tempted to post something stupid in an unguarded moment).
TRex… I think it’s back at 317
annagranfors @
317
Ah, yes, here she is.
Greetings, Annagranfors! I swear I have heard TGP used in conversation before. It may have been that particular person’s own invention, I don’t know.
If you like, I can change it.
Nate @ 353
Thank you, Nate. You’re such a gentleman.
As for who I’d be — I keep thinking Gregory Peck. His characterization of Atticus Finch informed my choice of profession, and he was courageous in his film choices (”Gentlemen’s Agreement” springs to mind, but I know there are others)
If someone living, hands-down Johnny Depp. Buddy of HSThompson (and lived to tell the tale), enormously talented, and prettier than I am as a female. ;-)
I must admit, though, when it gets to the point of imagining myself with a penis — that would indeed be so foreign I wouldn’t know what to do with it (definitely NOT what J. Gerstein would, that’s for sure — I hope I ID’d the correct wingnut)
Kewalo … I’m just grateful to Punaise for reminding me of her skillz!
Nite all, it’s been such a pleasure joining you tonight.
Siun, IMO nothing in this world is better then new experiences, music, prose, dance, food. It’s a lucky day when something new is introduced. I always feel blessed. Mahalo
TRex @ 355
He me iki ia’ my friend. By the way TRex. If you get a chance, you should read HopeSpringsATurtle’s latest post which was discussed above. Very powerful and very moving.
TRex,
Hope your friend (or friend’s friend) is okay.
Great to see that a member of the TG(P?) community saw and appreciated your addressing this issue. You are quite sensitive for a TRex, aren’t you?
and for jb — I don’t comment consistently, and don’t really get responses unless I specifically address someone.
And I’m just now getting around to telling TRex that his Snark Addiction post positively ROCKED!
ooh,
I’m in moderation — what’d I do? was it the “w” word or the “p” word?
swung away from FDL for a minute there. keep thinking about people saying Ann Coulter has an “adam’s apple” – always mystified me. So, figured it out, maybe. Her neck, collarbones and shoulder-line look “not-right” on her because she is quite emaciated – bones and throat and all sticking out. She has long blond hair and big blue eyes, but bone-wise is not the prettiest in the face – most of her look (and her whole gig, possibly) is the hair and the “hello-sailor” attitude in the clothes.
Some of what is unnerving about her (to me) is that she seems to be in pain. Not just from hunger, I would venture, but from holding up this sleight of hand of super-femimine signifiers high enough so that no one sees what she considers an unsatisfactory physical form. It is uncomfortable to watch her, and so folks look for explanations of what is not quite real in what she puts across.
(shh… got my pj’s on, stopped back in for a quick second) but this is very observant and bears repeating, Astral…
nighty-night…
lotus @
40
lotus and rayne:
“it ain’t easy bein’ green……….”
so, as usual, i’m late to the party. when i see/hear Shirley Manson i’m reminded of Annie Lennox, another babe who didn’t hold back, from the androgeny theme at least. both cool/hot and classy.
Garbage Live
SoulCatcher @
314
SoulCatcher @
314
BQ @ 353
BQ- I just tried to do a google search for baseball lingo. found, e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baseball_slang . But none that I found really “covered all the bases”. Didn’t have stuff like “high slider to the inside”, “top of the inning”, “bases loaded”, “on-field line”, etc. etc. Best advice I can think of is to listen to a radio broadcast of a game, while at the same time watching the game on TV with the sound off. The radio commenters use the lingo consistently, and by watching the actual events, you can figure out what they are talking about. It really is a wonderful vocabulary.
I wish I’d stopped by earlier. Now I’m too tired to post. As it is, I’ll be basking in the TS love as I fall asleep.
My biofemale? Joan Jett. We were born on the same day, sexual ambiguity blooming on the Virgo-Libra cusp. “I love rock and roll!”
TRex, I have been rackin my brain to find a man to pick but I just can’t find one.
I’ve never really thought of it before. Maybe it is because I am so comfortable in my female skin. I have wondered what my life would have been like if I had been born male but that’s a whole nuther tale.
BQ @
361
Yes, everything is fine, now. Friend 2 of the seizure went off her meds for bipolar without telling anyone. It was Depakote, which I don’t guess anybody thought to tell her is also a seizure med, so, well, you get the picture…
As for being a sensitive TRex, yes, I am terribly sensitive. Sometimes I overcompensate by being aggressive and, say, eating an entire village. These moods are infrequent, however, and they pass.
I am glad you enjoyed the Pamela relapse post. My goldfish Ned the Fighting Koi and I are getting nicely settled here in our room at the detox clinic. Ned was a present from Taylor Marsh. She’s been an angel through this whole thing.
So, none of you women think it would be cool to be Lou Reed or Bono or Paul Hackett or Ben Franklin or anybody? Come on, there have been some great men. Wouldn’t you like to have the fluid athleticism of Michael Jordan? Or Big Dog’s way with a phrase?
I can think of plenty of people of both sexes who it would be cool to be.
Prince? Anyone?
ok-
David Bowie
VG-
Thanks, I’ll try that – too bad I only get Indians games round here ;) And thanks for the link – the slang page wasn’t quite it, but there was a link at the bottom to “jargon” and then to the stats stuff and those are exactly what I was looking for. I don’t know why I didn’t think of wiki on that…doh! Thank you!
It’s amazing how much I have picked up this season, I’m even getting strategy — the broadcasters are so much better at AA, and are so accessible I could probably e-mail them to define some terms. Can’t wait til he gets to AAA and I can watch all his games online (but I’ll have to do the broadband thing — been holding out on that budget-buster).
astralplame @ 373
That’s the spirit!!
You know, if I start thinking about men I’d like to be too hard, I start thinking about the ones I’d like to have. And then the whole exercise gets lost in idle daydreaming.
WWTD=”Who Would TRex Do?”
re-affirmation! but, sleep pounces.
good night, all.
annagranfors @
317
Repeat of the post that TRex was looking for. Remember all, to see ALL comments, you need to reload the page, not must hit the Refresh Comments button. And, re: the TGP abbreviation of TRex- most TG folks that I have known or known of first have a male societal identity, but later in one way or another (surgery or not) claim the female identity. There are many fewer cases of the reverse- female to male transitions. But, perhaps this is what TRex was including/ being inclusive/ by using the abbreviation TGP. Emphasis on the P- persons- people, as we all are.
I very well could have made up TGP without realizing it.
TRex @ 376
Well TRex, sometimes I’d like ALL men to be too hard….just sayin’….*g*
Good Lord, look at the time. I really should retire to my lair.
Good night, any of you who are still reading.
See you Sunday!
Kewalo … smiles and good night!
and a final treats for Trex … Ms Jaguar Wright .. the clip stops too soon and starts too slow but …
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..38;search=
Thanks. Per the Wikipedia:
Seems to me that FDL is at least 80% educational, and doesn’t lobby congress very much.
TRex,
wow, ditching meds (no weaning?) as a bipolar is mega-scary. I mentioned before to egregious that I ended up in a long mixed state after over-prescription and then sudden switch of anti-depressants before I was properly diagnosed.
It’s really hard to resign yourself to taking them, especially when you feel so blaaaah compared to your “old” self. My creativity has completely left me. Which is why many bipolars have meds compliance problems. We miss those highs…
An invaluable reference for those on multiple meds is “The Pill Book” — any drugstore, about $7. The flyers from the pharmacy are the PDR/pharma company line (the side effects, etc, that they admit to) This one breaks down degrees of likelihood and severity, id’s symptoms of overdose, etc, very informative. I buy a new copy every couple of years.
Really glad Friend 2 is okay now.
BQ- http://www.amazon.com/gp/produ…..8;n=283155
Can’t find a way to link this particular review of An Unquiet Mind- so, I am copying the text of the review.
~~293 of 299 people found the following review helpful:
Impressive and enlightening, December 7, 1999
Reviewer: A reader
Over the past 20 years I’ve had several friends who suffered from manic-depressive illnesses. It’s abundantly clear to me that the disease is primarily biochemical and “not their fault.” But I had trouble understanding why these people refused to take their medication (or stopped taking it after they started) and otherwise engaged in massive denial. Jamison’s frank and well-written book was a revelation: now I feel I have a better sense of the seductiveness of mania, and why creative, intelligent people are often willing to risk the lows of their illness for the sake of the highs. As Jamison points out emphatically, however, the long-term effects of bipolar disorder can be devastating mentally and physically (not to mention the financial and personal fallout) — hence her crusade to understand the basis of the illness, and learn how to fine-tune the medication so that the sufferer achieves equilibrium without deadening the sensitivity and creativity that often accompany this disease. I’d already read “Night Falls Fast,” which is also excellent, but this book set out the personal story behind Jamison’s research interests. While she insists that love alone won’t cure the disease, it’s also clear that, without the love of her loyal friends, this intelligent, talented, and articulate woman might never have made it through the more difficult years, let alone become a respected authority in her profession. Anyone who suffers from bipolar disorders, and those who love them, should read this book.~~
If you haven’t seen the racist ‘wink’ by Sen. George Allen, go to http://jeffrey-feldman.typepad…..winki.html
Kos took it down for copyright reasons, but it’s still up at Frameshop.
VG -
Thanks, I got that book after I saw her speak several years ago. Very difficult (emotionally) to read, but excellent. (My sister’s response was “After reading that, I feel lucky that you’re still here.”) If you know of others dealing with this, I highly recommend Bipolar Disorder: A Guide for Patients and Families. http://www.amazon.com/gp/produ…..mp;s=books
(sorry for the long link — too tired to look up how to embed and Firefox not cooperating.)
Just a drive by and haven’t had a chance to read the comments yet but did anyone see where the Speaker of the House nullified the SD election?
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0608/S00316.htm
BQ- no problem with the long link. I have been here quite a while, and I always do the long link option- and, I think that the long links are better than the “elegant” short links often, because the long links give an immediate clue as to the source/ content. It is really not worth the effort of doing the “short link” thing imo. FDLers and FDL software deal quite well with long links. Unlike some other sites I’ve been to, long links don’t do anything bad like mess up page formatting. I’d guess that only 10% of the commenters here (real HTML afficiandos) use short links. Not to worry!!!
wow, spider, that is a very interesting article.
Suzanne, spider– I know that it is ~2 AM Suzanne, and don’t know what spider time. I have got to crash. If this story or your comments get ignored (timing) I hope that you will repost!!!
VG, go to sleep.
VG -
ah, we are of like mind on the “tinyurl” thang…I appreciate the effort, but I like to know where I’m goin’
Suzanne- ah- yes, I do need to do that. But sometimes staying up really really late feels like a luxury, and this is one of those times. But, after my microwave dinner finishes cooking, I will def. be off to bed. Ah… Boulder Creek.
night VG, and thanks again for the help!
VG, I am not blogwhoring, but I did post a picture of downtown BC about a week ago if ya wanna peak. Sleep well.
if i could be ………………..
Jeanne Moreau or Nora Jones, that would be way cool.
Camille Paglia (for the sheer fun of going head to head with Coulter. this should happen, by the way. Camille would wipe the floor with her in a New York minute).
Meg Tilly……..hmm. maybe.
Anne Waldman.
Dubravka Ugresic.
Joan Mitchell (the painter, not the singer, although Joanie tried painting too, but this should not even be mentioned in the same breath as Joan).
those, to keep it brief.
Prof @ 386
In fact, Senator Allen seems quite pleased with himself.
spider,
Great find. It would be nice if people (other than on fdl) noticed it.
Textbook bootstrap arguments from the House counsel. ye gods, these people are brazen.
spiderpaws @
388
spiderpaws,
thanks. i read the article. something that should be followed up on, vigorously.
p.s. when i try to link to your website i get an error note. something has happened to your address. something happened to mine as well. in my case it was a matter of the dot being left out. what is it with yours? and do you or anyone else know how to correct this problem?
hello? hello?
is this thing on???
lotus, OS, you two up yet?
TRex:
I would like to either be Stetson Kennedy or Father Daniel Berrigan. I know this thead is long over but I wanted to send that out into the universe. Paz y luz – Florida Mom
Hi Medaka, I am now!! Welcome back, honey, missed you. You must have had to work for a while so that you could return to your vacation here at the Lake, right?
Exactly, OS: Work is vacation and vacation is work. Orwell knew what he was talking about, huh!
Amen, Medaka…….okay…lest I forget my manners, Good Morning All from Estern Maine. 50 degrees, clear and sunny to the East and South, mackerel skies moving in from the west and north…..a lovely golden light during sunrise, and pileated woodpeckers calling to one another amidst the other bird song…I startled a flock of doves on the ground below the bird feeders when I went out to turn off the (solar) electric fence around the vegetable garden…the grass needs cutting and is quite long and heavy with dew. The windfall apples from the tree just back of the library are small and thick on the ground and can best be described as waste, though I suppose once when the tree was young, they might have been good in a cider mix. If we kept animals, we’d mix them in with their other food, but as it is, I rake them off into the shrubbery or rake them up and take them out to the deer yard at the back of the field.
Ah hot coffee, cheers!
all I know is if I were born a women I’d be called a slut
me to me @ 406
me to me, you got that right! The available dick would increase geometrically!
Old Sow, you have mail.
Medaka, I think it’s taking a while to cross the ocean and continent…lol….but I’ll watch for it. Pretty interesting thread above…
Born as someone else??
I too am a mistake in nature. I am firmly convinced that I am a 6′7″ Nordic God trapped in the body of a 5′6″ 200lb truckdriver.
annagranfors @ 317
As another trans….. Oh, hell, I really don’t know what to call myself! The best I can come up with for myself is non-op mtf tg (non-operative male-to-female transgendered), but I have a feeling others might disagree with my self-characterization. These various terms (tv, ts, cd, tg, etc.) seem to have as many definitions as there are members of the transgender community. TGP? Never heard of it before, but it sounds as good as anything else, so why not?
Well, if anbody has read down all the comments (sorry I’m late) and is still interested here’s a little article I wrote explaing a little of what it’s like to be TG.
http://www.eurotrib.com/story/2006/7/17/74110/4055
Thanks for the nice thoughts. I wish I was invisibly female, but my physicality is too obvious I fear. And empathy is hard. I wish I were nicer, I wish I were culturally female, but…there are 3 billion ways of being female on this planet right now. I’m just another one.
OFG, I know you are a Nordic God!!! The housings the higher powers give us are random assignments, and most of us (in the great realm of reincarnation) are so busy remembering how great it is on this plane of existence that we don’t pay attention when we are told which line is which…….
Oilfieldguy @
410
so you’re just one of those Nordic Gods with a more eco-friendly carbon foot prints, right?
No one ever listens when I cajole people for the “Ann Coulter is a drag queen” or “Ann Coulter is really a man” crap. It’s demeaning to women; it’s demeaning to drag queens; it’s demeaning to men.
From my P.O.V., to be either a drag queen or a man, you first have to be a human being.
I have yet to see indication that Coulter fits that category.
–julie
…or permanent incognito status. Sort of a stealth stud.
Julie Waters @ 415
Julie, Julie, Julie! Yes!
You have got that SO RIGHT it hurts! *g*
Morning all! I got a little lie-in this a.m. Going to have a little routine blood work, a little shopping, then spend the afternoon canoeing. The way this year has been going, there probably are not that many weekends left to get a boat in the water….
Julie and Medaka. I agree. I never participate in Coulter threads for just that reason — they reveal som deep anti-women and anti-male aspects of my friends I don’t like to watch. It’s as iff she has upset people so much that we revert to fifth grade stereotyping and name calling.
In other words, she won.
IIRC, Anne feels the same way and has said so.
I have been involved as a bystander, advisor and friend to the GBLT students at the schools at which I have taught. There is still a big debate going on in that group regarding whether Transgendered persons really share the same political agenda as Gay and Lesbian folks (and let us not get into the complicated relationships with the bi-sexual community!). That discussion is probably best reserved for its own late-night thread….
I am just looking forward to an opportunity to read “Pull up a chair” later.
immanentize @ 419
Imm, yes indeed, let’s file that one away for future reference. Sounds like a fine launchpad for some Late-nighting…
mornin’ all!
Hey twolfone!
spiderpaws @ 388
Suzanne @ 390
TWolfie, howdy. By the way, how many computers do you run at a time to be so on top of the new thread thing? I picture you with a bank of screens like “Houston”, all finely turned to refresh at, say 3 second intervals” with instructions to bleat whenever a new post occurs…lol, honey… need coffee?
hey twolf1, seeya upstairs….
heh, and i thought there WAS a new thread…
Hey OS, did you see this Maine woman’s fabulous comments to Bush?
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..214146/609
Old Sow @ 424
LOL, nah, just run one ‘puter at a time. Nuthin’ automated goin’ on — no beepin’, bleatin’ or electric shock. yes… need… coffee!!
hey medaka, how goes it?
movie:
http://www.sirnosir.com/
Immantenize Good Day, the canoe thang sounds excellent for this time of year. Also truly awesome as the trees change color. Where’re you going to paddle?
Medaka, sorry to send you upstairs unnecessarily. Someone else asked this question the other day, about Wolfie’s proclivities to getting the zeros. IMO Twolf1 IS a new thread head, lol.
i promise, i won’t FITZ! or NED! all weekend.
manatee on vacation
OS, I live a few blocks from the upper and lower Mystic Lakes and we can canoe (if my son has enoungh patience) from the lower mystic all the way to the Boston Harbor. This is how the Medford ship builders got their schooners to the ocean. It is a very interesting semi-urban at times trip. Smooth and changing, just right for my five year old.
Morning firepups.
Now to catch up.
twolf1 @
433
Twolf1 — I am a big manatee fan. We have gone manatee watching in Florida a number of times. check out this manatee/dugong cartoon
It always makes me laugh….
twolf, it goes well ….just back from a short vacay down south in Kyushu, soaking in slimy hot-mud-springs and carbonated hotsprings that fizz — the ultimate beauty treatments! And I looked into an active volcano for the first time. Ate too much good food, so now it’s time to diet and get back to work!
twolf, where are you? (I’m headed to your link to answer that for meself)….
thread:
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..-chair-11/
new thread: “Pull up a Chair”
thanks imm – love weebl’s stuff
medaka – sounds like a nice vacation full of relaxation.
I’m in Pennsylvania. I will (eventually) have some basic questions for you about traveling to Japan, if you wouldn’t mind.
twolf — Please ask away!
I’m a native Pennsylvanian, thuogh I haven’t lived there for 22 years. Wish I were registered there instead of easy-Dem-win SF….
Good Morning All,
smells like EPU Spirit . . .
have always enjoyed being surprised by some of the commenter’s gender – love, love, love that gender, age, appearance, education, bank account, job, or social stratum (?) rarely matters – that the only thing that counts is what’s on your mind, how you lay it out and back it up
as a man, it would be cool to be one of these Alberto Mora JAG types – (Ian Fishback, Paul Hackett) the guys who really live the whole duty, honor, country code
but then again, Michael Schumacher leads a totally groovy life . . .
Back to the table. What was I talking about?…..
Wow Wolf, @ 443 you’ll be jonesing by Monday!!!! What?…Oh, okay, then I’ll stay out of zeroville for a while too. *g*
Imm at 427 and so on,
Ah, the Mystic lakes. Lower Mystic to the Harbor to the sea. New England’s great with that historic stuff all around us. If it’s as beautiful a day there as it is here, you’ll be blessed!! Have fun.
I read that article about the Maine woman. She was very eloquent.
Oilfieldguy @
416
i get it. you’ve got this under the radar thing goin’. no problems with those low bridges ‘n all………….
Well Im going to post a comment to a closed thread just because this is where it really belongs. Living in Southern California, and having participated in lots of feminist and gay and lesbian groups, and having been on the board of directors for the GLBT employees association for the corporation I work for, I have known many transgendered people. And most of them are, indeed, lovey, charming and gentle. I have also known some transgendered people who are neurotic, uptight, self-centered, vicious and stupid, just like in the rest of the population. The argument that Ann Coulter couldn’t be trans because she’s such a fiend doesn’t necessarily follow. I’m just saying…
…don’t know if anyone’s still reading this thread, but if so…sorry for the approaching pedantry, folks. I’ll keep it to a minimum. :)
TRex @ 355 said:
Greetings, Annagranfors! I swear I have heard TGP used in conversation before. It may have been that particular person’s own invention, I don’t know. If you like, I can change it.
no, no, that’s okay–no big. I just thought I’d do my part to ensure trans purity (kidding). before my first post, I googled “TGP” and “TGP transgender”, and couldn’t find any legit usage. there’s a bunch of pr0n links, but that’s about it. of course, if you google anything there’s a bunch of pr0n links, but even so.
Valley Girl @ 378 said:
And, re: the TGP abbreviation of TRex- most TG folks that I have known or known of first have a male societal identity, but later in one way or another (surgery or not) claim the female identity. There are many fewer cases of the reverse- female to male transitions. But, perhaps this is what TRex was including/ being inclusive/ by using the abbreviation TGP. Emphasis on the P- persons- people, as we all are.
hi, Valley Girl! to continue my defense of transpurity, let me first say that there’s a very sizable FTM community, but for the most part, they tend to “pass” better, and are simply less visible–oh, and by the way, that’s the appropriate signifier to describe female-to-males. conversely, MTF = male-to-female. TG, TS, TV, CD y’all probably already know, and all get the Good Transkeeping seal of approval.
Donna Queen @ 411 said:
TGP? Never heard of it before, but it sounds as good as anything else, so why not?
hi, Donna! my main objection to it would be its seemingly preexisting pr0n provenance. not that I hate pr0n or anything, mind you, but we (the transcommunity) have probably more than enough suitable abbreviations as it is, with the one for transgender (TG) in accepted currency being more than suitable as a catch-all to describe all of us.
Yes Jessica Lange
What takes more guts than being out as a transgendered person?
Being out….
and running for office for the Maryland House of Delegates.
every day in every way I love trex more and more. yay trex!
By an order of magnitude, sexier than Shirley Manson.
Sorry, she sings 10,000,000 times better, too.