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		<title>By: peony</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/08/25/game-on/#comment-262653</link>
		<dc:creator>peony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Aug 2006 01:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Christy, I absolutely love the photo.  Bravo!  This is the kind of world I want to live in and I want my daughter and grandkids to live in.  Not “you’re either with us or against us.”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christy, I absolutely love the photo.  Bravo!  This is the kind of world I want to live in and I want my daughter and grandkids to live in.  Not “you’re either with us or against us.”</p>
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		<title>By: rascalsout</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/08/25/game-on/#comment-262017</link>
		<dc:creator>rascalsout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Aug 2006 20:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Late getting to this thread, but thanks for calling attention to Times piece and providing the editorial email address.  I’m afraid we can only hope the desperate “wounded animal” will be checked from launching further catastrophe if a more responsible, courageous traditional press shines bright lights into the devil’s workshop.  Hence, my two cents to the editor:&lt;br /&gt;
  Editor:&lt;br /&gt;
Thank you for helping expose to more of the U.S. population what many of us have long found obvious.  Sure wish you had been able to think and independenly and write so clearly last time around, and that your news department wil complement your own work now with more courageous journalism and less stenography.  But I applaud your getting it right this time and hope that you will continue to earn back serious readers’ regard as the paper of record.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Late getting to this thread, but thanks for calling attention to Times piece and providing the editorial email address.  I’m afraid we can only hope the desperate “wounded animal” will be checked from launching further catastrophe if a more responsible, courageous traditional press shines bright lights into the devil’s workshop.  Hence, my two cents to the editor:<br />
  Editor:<br />
Thank you for helping expose to more of the U.S. population what many of us have long found obvious.  Sure wish you had been able to think and independenly and write so clearly last time around, and that your news department wil complement your own work now with more courageous journalism and less stenography.  But I applaud your getting it right this time and hope that you will continue to earn back serious readers’ regard as the paper of record.</p>
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		<title>By: dab from CT</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/08/25/game-on/#comment-261980</link>
		<dc:creator>dab from CT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Aug 2006 19:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sorry - I posted 199 because the thread indicated that 198 was not going to&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry &#8211; I posted 199 because the thread indicated that 198 was not going to</p>
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		<title>By: dab from CT</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/08/25/game-on/#comment-261977</link>
		<dc:creator>dab from CT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Aug 2006 19:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ned does not support Hillary’s opponent and had very specific reasons for not doing so. I heard him speak about it in a recent interview on NPR.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ned does not support Hillary’s opponent and had very specific reasons for not doing so. I heard him speak about it in a recent interview on NPR.</p>
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		<title>By: dab from CT</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/08/25/game-on/#comment-261975</link>
		<dc:creator>dab from CT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Aug 2006 19:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-261568&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;John Casper @ 183 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;“I don’t want to spend the time executing a prime-time-ready post to languish in obscurity.”&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I understand, but can you imagine the blowback Jane and Christy might get, as well as Ned?&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Ned does not support Hillary’s opponent and had very specific reasons for not doing so. I heard him speak about it in a recent interview on NPR.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-261568"><em>John Casper @ 183 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><em>“I don’t want to spend the time executing a prime-time-ready post to languish in obscurity.”</em></p>
<p>I understand, but can you imagine the blowback Jane and Christy might get, as well as Ned?</p>
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<p>Ned does not support Hillary’s opponent and had very specific reasons for not doing so. I heard him speak about it in a recent interview on NPR.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacqrat</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/08/25/game-on/#comment-261932</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacqrat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Aug 2006 19:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thank you so much for following up on this Teddy.  I saw your email to that wanker at DiFi’s office on the google group’s page.  Good on ya!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-261561&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;TeddySanFran @&lt;br /&gt;
                181              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;When California Rootsters went to visit both our Senators’ offices in April, we were met with incredulity when we said we were there to talk about how to avoid a &lt;b&gt;War on Iran&lt;/b&gt;.  We said we thought that a &lt;b&gt;War on Iran&lt;/b&gt; was very possible, and that we worried the lessons from the &lt;b&gt;War on Iraq&lt;/b&gt; had not been learned.  We talked about how this Administration, and its allies in Congress, would again cook the intel and lie to the American people.  We said we were concerned that Senate Democrats could get steamrolled again on the &lt;em&gt;casus belli&lt;/em&gt;, this time for a &lt;b&gt;War on Iran&lt;/b&gt; that might even be nuclear.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We were assured that could never happen, because our Senators were alert — and now accustomed to looking for the signs of flawed and fixed intel.  We were told our concerns were over-wrought and that we should not fear &lt;b&gt;War on Iran&lt;/b&gt;.  And we were told, especially, that our concern that this war could entail the use of nuclear weapons was unfounded.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Nothing’s changed to alter my assessment —  a &lt;b&gt;War on Iran&lt;/b&gt; now seems likelier in August than it did in April.  That it will need to be nuclear if waged seems assured, given our depleted, worn out and used up conventional military.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I sure hope my Senators are paying attention.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much for following up on this Teddy.  I saw your email to that wanker at DiFi’s office on the google group’s page.  Good on ya!</p>
<p><a href="#comment-261561"><em>TeddySanFran @<br />
                181              </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>When California Rootsters went to visit both our Senators’ offices in April, we were met with incredulity when we said we were there to talk about how to avoid a <b>War on Iran</b>.  We said we thought that a <b>War on Iran</b> was very possible, and that we worried the lessons from the <b>War on Iraq</b> had not been learned.  We talked about how this Administration, and its allies in Congress, would again cook the intel and lie to the American people.  We said we were concerned that Senate Democrats could get steamrolled again on the <em>casus belli</em>, this time for a <b>War on Iran</b> that might even be nuclear.</p>
<p>We were assured that could never happen, because our Senators were alert — and now accustomed to looking for the signs of flawed and fixed intel.  We were told our concerns were over-wrought and that we should not fear <b>War on Iran</b>.  And we were told, especially, that our concern that this war could entail the use of nuclear weapons was unfounded.</p>
<p>Nothing’s changed to alter my assessment —  a <b>War on Iran</b> now seems likelier in August than it did in April.  That it will need to be nuclear if waged seems assured, given our depleted, worn out and used up conventional military.  </p>
<p>I sure hope my Senators are paying attention.</p>
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		<title>By: peony</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/08/25/game-on/#comment-261822</link>
		<dc:creator>peony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Aug 2006 18:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I watched a discussion about Middle East Realities hosted by Steve Clemons on C-Span yesterday.  One of the people there, Daniel Levy, with the Center for American Progress wrote a piece called “The End to the Neoconservative Nightmare” as it pertains to the US and Israel.  Levy talks about a need for a disintangling of Israel from an alliance with the neocons and the religious right in the US.  Here’s an excerpt:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Disentangling Israeli interests from the rubble of neocon “creative destruction” in the Middle East has become an urgent challenge for Israeli policy-makers. An America that seeks to reshape the region through an unsophisticated mixture of bombs and ballots, devoid of local contextual understanding, alliance-building or redressing of grievances, ultimately undermines both itself and Israel.” &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/746312.html&quot;&gt;http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/746312.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I watched a discussion about Middle East Realities hosted by Steve Clemons on C-Span yesterday.  One of the people there, Daniel Levy, with the Center for American Progress wrote a piece called “The End to the Neoconservative Nightmare” as it pertains to the US and Israel.  Levy talks about a need for a disintangling of Israel from an alliance with the neocons and the religious right in the US.  Here’s an excerpt:</p>
<p>“Disentangling Israeli interests from the rubble of neocon “creative destruction” in the Middle East has become an urgent challenge for Israeli policy-makers. An America that seeks to reshape the region through an unsophisticated mixture of bombs and ballots, devoid of local contextual understanding, alliance-building or redressing of grievances, ultimately undermines both itself and Israel.” </p>
<p><a href="http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/746312.html">http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/746312.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: jman_ny</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/08/25/game-on/#comment-261782</link>
		<dc:creator>jman_ny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Aug 2006 17:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Let’s keep an eye on Abram Shulsky at the Pentagon also.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let’s keep an eye on Abram Shulsky at the Pentagon also.</p>
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		<title>By: Shez</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/08/25/game-on/#comment-261720</link>
		<dc:creator>Shez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Aug 2006 17:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-261487&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Rayne @ 112 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Guess what, FirePups??  DCCC made it very easy for you to take other action against the dorks who prepared this piece-o’-crap masquerading as intelligence reporting.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;One of the signatories to the report is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dccc.org/gopauctionhouse/members/MichaelRogersMI-8.html&quot;&gt;Rep. Mike Rogers (R-MI)&lt;/a&gt;.  He also happens to be a recipient of DeLay’s ARMPAC funds.  DCCC documented this and some other atrocities committed by Rogers at their GOP Auction House website — but look, at the right of the page there’s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dccc.org/gopauctionhouse/lte.html?state=MI&amp;moc=PeterHoekstraMI-2&quot;&gt;a great link to help you write letters to the editors of Michigan newspapers&lt;/a&gt;!  Tell Michigan’s 8th District voters that this dork is hurting not only them but the rest of America!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What a coincidence, but the illustrious &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dccc.org/gopauctionhouse/members/PeterHoekstraMI-2.html&quot;&gt;Rep. Pete Hoekstra (R-MI) is a DeLay bagman, too&lt;/a&gt;!!!   For some horrible reason, Michigan has more than its share of stupid Republican puppets who are too eager to take money without asking questions about ethics.  Help Michigan voters help you; remind them with letters to the editors that Hoekstra is threatening Michigan security as well as that of our country.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;To be more focused, you should select the following papers for each of these reps:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Rogers: Detroit News, Detroit Free Press, Ann Arbor, Lansing (8th District is between/overlaps these areas)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hoekstra: Grand Rapids, Muskegon, both Detroit papers, Lansing  (2nd District is on the west side of Michigan, but many folks there also read the Detroit and Lansing papers - as does Governor Granholm’s office.)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And remind Michigan voters that DeLay is a criminal from Texas, like a whole ‘nother country; DeLay’s political influence and corruption should not be permitted to have influence on Michigan, nor on our nation’s security.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Go for it!!  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;With thanks;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Rayne (from Michigan)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;*Applauding* As soon as I read this post I knew you would come through magnificently and jump right on this. Being I’m in the 8th District, looking for anything on Rogers. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As an aside, wondering if Dave Camp was also in on the take for Dirty Delay money?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks Peterr, for the &lt;a href=&quot;http://noquarter.typepad.com/my_weblog/2006/08/republican_chut.html&quot;&gt;http://noquarter.typepad.com/m....._chut.html&lt;/a&gt; link.&lt;br /&gt;
You say: &lt;em&gt;“Hmmm . . . a member of the intelligence committee running against a former CIA officer, and a staff report slamming the CIA comes out of the Intelligence committee without being vetted and approved?”&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
The other underlying nuance is that Rogers &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; a former FBI agent, which layers the FBI - CIA ‘rivalry’ and blame game one step further in the whole mess.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-261487"><em>Rayne @ 112 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Guess what, FirePups??  DCCC made it very easy for you to take other action against the dorks who prepared this piece-o’-crap masquerading as intelligence reporting.</p>
<p>One of the signatories to the report is <a href="http://www.dccc.org/gopauctionhouse/members/MichaelRogersMI-8.html">Rep. Mike Rogers (R-MI)</a>.  He also happens to be a recipient of DeLay’s ARMPAC funds.  DCCC documented this and some other atrocities committed by Rogers at their GOP Auction House website — but look, at the right of the page there’s <a href="http://www.dccc.org/gopauctionhouse/lte.html?state=MI&amp;moc=PeterHoekstraMI-2">a great link to help you write letters to the editors of Michigan newspapers</a>!  Tell Michigan’s 8th District voters that this dork is hurting not only them but the rest of America!</p>
<p>What a coincidence, but the illustrious <a href="http://www.dccc.org/gopauctionhouse/members/PeterHoekstraMI-2.html">Rep. Pete Hoekstra (R-MI) is a DeLay bagman, too</a>!!!   For some horrible reason, Michigan has more than its share of stupid Republican puppets who are too eager to take money without asking questions about ethics.  Help Michigan voters help you; remind them with letters to the editors that Hoekstra is threatening Michigan security as well as that of our country.</p>
<p>To be more focused, you should select the following papers for each of these reps:</p>
<p>Rogers: Detroit News, Detroit Free Press, Ann Arbor, Lansing (8th District is between/overlaps these areas)</p>
<p>Hoekstra: Grand Rapids, Muskegon, both Detroit papers, Lansing  (2nd District is on the west side of Michigan, but many folks there also read the Detroit and Lansing papers &#8211; as does Governor Granholm’s office.)</p>
<p>And remind Michigan voters that DeLay is a criminal from Texas, like a whole ‘nother country; DeLay’s political influence and corruption should not be permitted to have influence on Michigan, nor on our nation’s security.</p>
<p>Go for it!!  </p>
<p>With thanks;</p>
<p>Rayne (from Michigan)</p>
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<p>*Applauding* As soon as I read this post I knew you would come through magnificently and jump right on this. Being I’m in the 8th District, looking for anything on Rogers. </p>
<p>As an aside, wondering if Dave Camp was also in on the take for Dirty Delay money?</p>
<p>Thanks Peterr, for the <a href="http://noquarter.typepad.com/my_weblog/2006/08/republican_chut.html">http://noquarter.typepad.com/m&#8230;.._chut.html</a> link.<br />
You say: <em>“Hmmm . . . a member of the intelligence committee running against a former CIA officer, and a staff report slamming the CIA comes out of the Intelligence committee without being vetted and approved?”</em><br />
The other underlying nuance is that Rogers <em>is</em> a former FBI agent, which layers the FBI &#8211; CIA ‘rivalry’ and blame game one step further in the whole mess.</p>
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		<title>By: egregious</title>
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		<dc:creator>egregious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Aug 2006 17:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-261468&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;leftofliberal @ 95 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;egregious at 81 -&lt;br /&gt;
What’s the story of the cellphone call in (2)?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Going out of town again but the short version is all of our Iranian network was blown by an alleged “mistake” where one person thought she was sending an email or a cell phone call now I forget, but supposedly to one person but ended up to everybody in the country.  They had to roll the network up and probably people were killed.  Now we have even less intell about them.  Way ta go Bush admin!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-261468"><em>leftofliberal @ 95 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>egregious at 81 -<br />
What’s the story of the cellphone call in (2)?</p>
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<p>Going out of town again but the short version is all of our Iranian network was blown by an alleged “mistake” where one person thought she was sending an email or a cell phone call now I forget, but supposedly to one person but ended up to everybody in the country.  They had to roll the network up and probably people were killed.  Now we have even less intell about them.  Way ta go Bush admin!</p>
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