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		<title>By: cando</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/08/24/what-the-hell-harry/#comment-261257</link>
		<dc:creator>cando</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Aug 2006 06:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I was solicited yesterday by the DSCC and told the young man I am supporting individual Democratic candidates, and that I would not support the weak Senate leadership until Lieberman is stripped of his seniority.  I said the leadership has been unable to make up its mind, to do the right thing. He acted like he had not heard my position expressed before during his calls.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was solicited yesterday by the DSCC and told the young man I am supporting individual Democratic candidates, and that I would not support the weak Senate leadership until Lieberman is stripped of his seniority.  I said the leadership has been unable to make up its mind, to do the right thing. He acted like he had not heard my position expressed before during his calls.</p>
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		<title>By: Thucydides Jr.</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/08/24/what-the-hell-harry/#comment-261099</link>
		<dc:creator>Thucydides Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Aug 2006 03:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;To astronautagogo and Mickey - &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have said it before.. even if the Dems win one or both houses, they will have a tough fight getting progressive legislation through. Party discipline will be key. Lie-berman is a loose cannon, and I think it is best for the Democratic agenda to kick him to the curb and soldify party discipline.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To astronautagogo and Mickey &#8211; </p>
<p>I have said it before.. even if the Dems win one or both houses, they will have a tough fight getting progressive legislation through. Party discipline will be key. Lie-berman is a loose cannon, and I think it is best for the Democratic agenda to kick him to the curb and soldify party discipline.</p>
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		<title>By: Thucydides Jr.</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/08/24/what-the-hell-harry/#comment-261093</link>
		<dc:creator>Thucydides Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Aug 2006 03:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;So I email Sen Clinton about this mess, and I get this silly form letter back. I am tired of Sentors acting like the rest of the country outside their states does not matter. Way to court my 2008 vote, Hillary:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Dear Friend:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts and concerns with me&lt;br /&gt;
via e-mail.  I hope you will understand that, because of the volume of&lt;br /&gt;
e-mails I receive from residents of New York State, I cannot at this time&lt;br /&gt;
respond to messages received from residents of other states.  I encourage&lt;br /&gt;
you to contact your U.S. senators if you have an issue or concern that&lt;br /&gt;
needs immediate attention.  You can access your senators electronically by&lt;br /&gt;
visiting &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.senate.gov/contacting/index_by_state.cfm&quot;&gt;http://www.senate.gov/contacti....._state.cfm&lt;/a&gt; for a listing&lt;br /&gt;
of their contact information.  If you are still interested in learning&lt;br /&gt;
more about the work I am doing on behalf of New York State, I hope you&lt;br /&gt;
will continue to monitor my work through my website at&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://clinton.senate.gov.&quot;&gt;http://clinton.senate.gov.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sincerely,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton&lt;br /&gt;
New York State”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I email Sen Clinton about this mess, and I get this silly form letter back. I am tired of Sentors acting like the rest of the country outside their states does not matter. Way to court my 2008 vote, Hillary:</p>
<p>“Dear Friend:</p>
<p>Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts and concerns with me<br />
via e-mail.  I hope you will understand that, because of the volume of<br />
e-mails I receive from residents of New York State, I cannot at this time<br />
respond to messages received from residents of other states.  I encourage<br />
you to contact your U.S. senators if you have an issue or concern that<br />
needs immediate attention.  You can access your senators electronically by<br />
visiting <a href="http://www.senate.gov/contacting/index_by_state.cfm">http://www.senate.gov/contacti&#8230;.._state.cfm</a> for a listing<br />
of their contact information.  If you are still interested in learning<br />
more about the work I am doing on behalf of New York State, I hope you<br />
will continue to monitor my work through my website at<br />
<a href="http://clinton.senate.gov.">http://clinton.senate.gov.</a></p>
<p>Sincerely,</p>
<p>Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton<br />
New York State”</p>
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		<title>By: pow wow</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/08/24/what-the-hell-harry/#comment-260960</link>
		<dc:creator>pow wow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Aug 2006 02:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sonoma @ 245:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;“…How far would the treachery of that ‘big chunk’ extend? How many stand prepared to bolt the party altogether…”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’d like to know the answer to that question.  And I’d like to know that answer before the next crucial vote approaches in the United States Senate.  In other words, I would like to know exactly who I am fighting.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If we do not in fact &lt;i&gt;have&lt;/i&gt; a Democratic political party, why the hell should we continue to pretend that we do? [Especially when such a make-believe state of affairs is exactly the way the comfortably unaccountable, complicit incumbents like it and want it, the best interests of the American people and the state of the nation be damned.]&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sonoma @ 245:</p>
<blockquote><p>“…How far would the treachery of that ‘big chunk’ extend? How many stand prepared to bolt the party altogether…”</p>
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<p>I’d like to know the answer to that question.  And I’d like to know that answer before the next crucial vote approaches in the United States Senate.  In other words, I would like to know exactly who I am fighting.</p>
<p>If we do not in fact <i>have</i> a Democratic political party, why the hell should we continue to pretend that we do? [Especially when such a make-believe state of affairs is exactly the way the comfortably unaccountable, complicit incumbents like it and want it, the best interests of the American people and the state of the nation be damned.]</p>
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		<title>By: Reno and Its Discontents&#187;Blog Archive &#187; Lieberman Getting Ready To Punk Reid and Democrats Again?</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/08/24/what-the-hell-harry/#comment-260959</link>
		<dc:creator>Reno and Its Discontents&#187;Blog Archive &#187; Lieberman Getting Ready To Punk Reid and Democrats Again?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Aug 2006 02:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[…] Harry Reid has been taking a beating at FireDogLake and Daily Kos for refusing to take action on the Lieberman seniority issue until after the November elections. The feeling is that Lieberman has already broken his previous promise to Reid not to run as an independent so why should his seniority be protected? Of course, Reid must believe that the party can count on Lieberman’s votes in the Senate if he wins the Connecticut election, but they have a point. Lieberman has “punked” the Democrats before in a BIG way. Where is the Democratic party going to draw the line with Lieberman? Obviously not at campaigning with Republicans or at deserting the party and Connecticut voters and running as an independent. Is Reid just hoping Lieberman will lose so the problem will disappear? Honestly, after all that’s occurred, Lieberman seems like a vengeful enough man to find more ways to stick it to his former party if he does win the Senate seat. I wouldn’t trust him now as far as I could throw him and that wouldn’t be very far. The minx is a delicate flower.         // […]&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[…] Harry Reid has been taking a beating at FireDogLake and Daily Kos for refusing to take action on the Lieberman seniority issue until after the November elections. The feeling is that Lieberman has already broken his previous promise to Reid not to run as an independent so why should his seniority be protected? Of course, Reid must believe that the party can count on Lieberman’s votes in the Senate if he wins the Connecticut election, but they have a point. Lieberman has “punked” the Democrats before in a BIG way. Where is the Democratic party going to draw the line with Lieberman? Obviously not at campaigning with Republicans or at deserting the party and Connecticut voters and running as an independent. Is Reid just hoping Lieberman will lose so the problem will disappear? Honestly, after all that’s occurred, Lieberman seems like a vengeful enough man to find more ways to stick it to his former party if he does win the Senate seat. I wouldn’t trust him now as far as I could throw him and that wouldn’t be very far. The minx is a delicate flower.         // […]</p>
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		<title>By: Sonoma</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/08/24/what-the-hell-harry/#comment-260820</link>
		<dc:creator>Sonoma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Aug 2006 00:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“..Rummy resigns, Bush appoints Lieberman SecDef..”.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Mike in San Antonio:  You’ve got to be kidding.  Why on earth would Jo Jo resign from a guaranteed, 6 year term in the senate to assume command of the Titanic?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“..Rummy resigns, Bush appoints Lieberman SecDef..”.</p>
<p>Mike in San Antonio:  You’ve got to be kidding.  Why on earth would Jo Jo resign from a guaranteed, 6 year term in the senate to assume command of the Titanic?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike in San Antonio</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/08/24/what-the-hell-harry/#comment-260746</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike in San Antonio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Aug 2006 23:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I have a theory on this.  A deal has been cut with Lieberman by the Republicans/Rove.  That is why the chairman of the RNC and the Republican president won’t support the Republican nominee.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Judas Lieberman continues to run as an independent saying he will support Democratic positions.  Meanwhile, he gets Republican money, help and GOTV efforts.  In return, once re-elected, Rummy resigns, Bush appoints Lieberman SecDef.  Republican Jodi Rell appoints a “real” Republican to take his place.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Rove &amp; Company pick up a seat, Judas get a cabinet position, the people of CT are screwed….&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a theory on this.  A deal has been cut with Lieberman by the Republicans/Rove.  That is why the chairman of the RNC and the Republican president won’t support the Republican nominee.</p>
<p>Judas Lieberman continues to run as an independent saying he will support Democratic positions.  Meanwhile, he gets Republican money, help and GOTV efforts.  In return, once re-elected, Rummy resigns, Bush appoints Lieberman SecDef.  Republican Jodi Rell appoints a “real” Republican to take his place.</p>
<p>Rove &amp; Company pick up a seat, Judas get a cabinet position, the people of CT are screwed….</p>
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		<title>By: Mickey</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/08/24/what-the-hell-harry/#comment-260664</link>
		<dc:creator>Mickey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Aug 2006 23:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Democrats don’t eat their own young so much as the Republicans. I think I sort of agree with leaving Lieberman alone. He actually seems to be his own worst enemy.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My hope would be that the Democrats treat him as superfluous, being that he lost the primary. His fantasy is that the Republican voters will flock to him because of his stance on the war. Wouldn’t it be &lt;b&gt;absolutely great&lt;/b&gt; if the Republicans didn’t want Joe either?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Democrats don’t eat their own young so much as the Republicans. I think I sort of agree with leaving Lieberman alone. He actually seems to be his own worst enemy.</p>
<p>My hope would be that the Democrats treat him as superfluous, being that he lost the primary. His fantasy is that the Republican voters will flock to him because of his stance on the war. Wouldn’t it be <b>absolutely great</b> if the Republicans didn’t want Joe either?</p>
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		<title>By: astronautagogo</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/08/24/what-the-hell-harry/#comment-260503</link>
		<dc:creator>astronautagogo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Aug 2006 21:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;As far as I can see it, this story thus far is lacking sufficiant evidence. I am a strong Lamont supporter but someone’s jumping the gun here. Beating up Reid over a huge unconfirmed claim ain’t cool either.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A top diary at Kos is reporting:&lt;br /&gt;
“private meeting over how to keep a sub base open has suddenly turned into a campaign rally where Lieberman is promoting the election of republican candidates?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Since when has a policy meeting where (for the love of god!) people from the opposing political party attended been considered a campaign rally for that opposing party?”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as I can see it, this story thus far is lacking sufficiant evidence. I am a strong Lamont supporter but someone’s jumping the gun here. Beating up Reid over a huge unconfirmed claim ain’t cool either.</p>
<p>A top diary at Kos is reporting:<br />
“private meeting over how to keep a sub base open has suddenly turned into a campaign rally where Lieberman is promoting the election of republican candidates?</p>
<p>Since when has a policy meeting where (for the love of god!) people from the opposing political party attended been considered a campaign rally for that opposing party?”</p>
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		<title>By: Bergs</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/08/24/what-the-hell-harry/#comment-260479</link>
		<dc:creator>Bergs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Aug 2006 21:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well, reading Jane’s article, and the comments here, there is only one thing we must do!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;THAT IS TO MAKE SURE THAT JOE LIEBERMAN DOES NOT WIN IN NOVEMBER !   &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Please keep doing what you have all been doing.&lt;br /&gt;
(Jane, come back and spend the last few weeks here, you were an inspiration. )    All of you write letters to editors, particularly &lt;a href=&quot;mailto:letters@courant.com.&quot;&gt;letters@courant.com.&lt;/a&gt;     Send your spare change to Ned, don’t assume he can just keep throwing in his own money.    Do whatever it takes to make sure Joe does NOT win, and then the matter of his seats is a Moot point .&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, reading Jane’s article, and the comments here, there is only one thing we must do!</p>
<p>THAT IS TO MAKE SURE THAT JOE LIEBERMAN DOES NOT WIN IN NOVEMBER !   </p>
<p>Please keep doing what you have all been doing.<br />
(Jane, come back and spend the last few weeks here, you were an inspiration. )    All of you write letters to editors, particularly <a href="mailto:letters@courant.com."></a><a href="mailto:letters@courant.com">letters@courant.com</a>.     Send your spare change to Ned, don’t assume he can just keep throwing in his own money.    Do whatever it takes to make sure Joe does NOT win, and then the matter of his seats is a Moot point .</p>
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