
(Photo by Evan Vucci of the AP.)
Karen and Karl are slipping. Via Attytood:
And, whaddya know? Turns out that the earthy Vaccarella — a highly successful businessman in the fast-food industry — is indeed a Republican pol, having run unsuccessfully under the GOP banner for a seat on the St. Bernard Parish commission back in 1999….
And in fact, Vaccarella seemed very confident that he would be meeting with Bush when he left home, to the point where he had a date scheduled and everything:
Dinner with the President is planned for the evening of August 22nd.
As it turned out, dinner last night was with the White House aide running Katrina relief, and he met Bush at the White House today. Close enough.
Gee, wonder if this whole thing was set up by PR people to make the President look like he actually gave a damn? Golly, that George Bush sure is a can do guy — he can do what his handlers tell him in front of the camera.
Holden has much more at First Draft on Vaccarella’s "regular guy" schtick and how the White House invited him to begin with — it wasn’t just some spontaneous camper drive-by. (Good lord, they can’t even get their faux PR right these days. I know, how about you try honesty and reality for once? hahahahaha Oh, good one. *snerk*)
Meanwhile, back in the land of reality, this is how things still look in the Lower Ninth Ward of New Orleans:

(Photo by REUTERS/Lee Celano.)
And here’s life with a lovely Katrina trailer outside her home for a woman who lives in the Lakeview area of New Orleans:

(Photo by REUTERS/Lee Celano)
You want a photo op? How about helping these people — and thousands more like them — just to get back on their feet a little more…by actually following through on all those promises you made last year? How about dispersing that promised FEMA money for rebuilding that the federal government is still sitting on, a year later? That would be a great start, anyway.
Because thus far, what they’ve gotten is a lot of this: (from the LATimes, via Froomkin)
A report being released today by top Democrats, titled "Broken Promises: The Republican Response to Katrina," features a picture of Bush during his Sept. 15, 2005, speech in New Orleans’ Jackson Square, in which he promised to oversee "one of the largest reconstruction efforts the world has ever seen."
The report argues that every aspect of recovery — including housing, business loans, healthcare, education and preparedness — "suffers from a failed Republican response marked by unfulfilled promises, cronyism, waste, fraud, and abuse."
How about doing your damn job instead of constantly campaigning, posing for pre-packaged pictures and taking brush-clearing vacations? How about some accountability for yourself and your Administration? Is that too much to ask from the President of the United States? Apparently so in the Bush Administration.
Had enough?
UPDATE: National Geographic has a very thoughtful article on how prepared (or not) the Gulf Coast would be for another hurricane. Including how residents would deal with the flimsy FEMA trailers they have been living in — because, you know, they can’t all hitch them to a truck and move onto the Mall in DC.
Related posts:
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- Joe Wilson: Both Lying and Stupid; Immigrants Buying Insurance Makes Sense
- Lieberman-Graham Threaten to Shut Down Senate, Add Detainee Photo Suppresion Amendment to FDA Tobacco Regulation Bill
- After Katrina: Rebuilding And Renewal In New Orleans





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umm, err… NED!
Here is the link to the DSSC blog. Get thyself there, set up an account, and give them hell about the fact that Lieberman is campaigning with REPUBLICANS, fer chrissake !
http://www.fromtheroots.org/
ACCOUNTABILITY!… repeat, repeat, repeat…
Jesus H,
They have no shame. None at all.
Of course, why do we continue to be surprised?
Why does the “press” continue to be played for suckers?
Iran is Next. Labor day – TIme to launch the new product. I hope we’re not all sitting around watching bombs in November, wondering why noone planned for “Shock and Awe II” and the stealing of the mid-terms.
Note the blue tie. Bush ALWAYS wears a blue tie during his photo ops and press conferences. Why? Because studies show that and audience trusts people who wear blue.
Every photo op is carefully staged with all of the right colors and visual “props”.
sent a note to CNN last night because they had Rockey and His Trailer with Bush on, acting like it was some kind of miracle… what a bunch of doofuses!
sent a note to ABC who actually noted that, Rockey and His Trailer with Bush, good ol’ Rockey was a Republican AND a politician… unfortunately, they didn’t get too snarky, but at least they told the tale…
I thought Rockey was awful well-spoken for just some regular guy from LA…
Well Bush certainly can’t meet with grieving relatives of service people who have been killed in Iraq.
What would he say?
Sorry, Iraq did not have WMD’s and was not a threat to us and golly, I don’t have anymore reasons why your loved one’s died.
When I first heard of this story, I thought that maybe Cindy Sheehan just needed a FEMA trailer instead of some property in Crawford.
My next thought, though, was of the the Bonus Army. Wouldn’t it be nice to see a whole caravan of trailers, setting up camp on the Mall to remind Congress and the White House about the work that needs to be done? After all, that’s just what Bush kept saying we need to do: “it’s a time to remember.”
Nothing like a few hundred trailers on the front lawn to help that remembering . . .
The really bad thing is that Hezbollah seems to be doing a better job of cleaning up after the Israeli invasion than the US was after Katerina. Maybe we can get them set up over here.
What phony photo op?
:>)
And OT:
‘Dare I say it?…A CABINET POST?‘
why the media rolls over like a jack russell terrier itching for a beggin’ strip everytime bush goes photo-op shopping is beyond me..
MEDIA = bunch of worthless starf*ckers
I guess photo ops must have some kind of trickle-down effect, where rich people and corporations see Bush pretending to give a shit, and that inspires them to contribute some of their vast wealth and resources to helping out.
Yeah, that must be it. That Dubya’s a wily one.
At some point in time, the corporate owned press stopped doing research.
Would a guy, whose family is living in a FEMA trailer and apparently is in the process of rebuilding their home, spend his money on a replica FEMA trailer and drive to D.C.? they should have asked? Maybe we should look into it? Naaaah. The Prez has never lied to us before.
Here’s the official transcript from the White House
I remember whichever reporter was on duty at CNN at the time, I think it was Kagan, said something like – Ha ha ha, If only the pressers went that well every time.
And in the spirit of an administration (should we call it the “ad”-ministration?) that prefers to just sell ideas they don’t particularly like actually working on or bringing to fruition, Think Progress is reporting (via HuffPo via the LA Times) that the White House is planning a big PR blitz on Katrina…
Thanks for frontpaging this story today, Christy!
After watching “When the Levees Broke,” a panel on Katrina on CSPAN, and then the post yesterday, “After the Deluge”—
this photo-op was making me crazy. I think it was Old Coastie last night who said even ABC did not take this seriously (although they obligingly reported it first…).
I so appreciate the work that you and Jane do here to pull away the curtain—I think many of us would be tearing our hair out without the sanctuary of FDL.
Boy, that was fun. I just sent the post via Spotlight to Jennifer Loven at the AP whose article I read in the Boston Glob (page A4!)this morning and moaned when I did.
Anyone else what to pile on?
Last night, Chris Rose, a columnist for the New Orleans Times-Picayune, described the psychic condition of the people of New Orleans for The Newshour. It’s jarring. It’s certainly not the happy news you usually see about people partying by night and cleaning up by day.
Here’s a Katrina slideshow from MSNBC:
Capturing catastrophe
Watch out for photo number 20. It’s a rather gruesome image, there is an audio explanation to accompany it.
Consider me a contrarian, but I don’t think the phony photo ops are bad for the anti-TEAM LOSER cause.
I think it sets a clear distinction between the unreality of Chimpy World and the reality of the Fucked Up In Every Way Possible Response, starting with We Didn’t Give A Shit Then, And We Don’t Give A Shit Now.
So, rather than conning the public into thinking that TEAM LOSER did anything, or did it well, it brings up all that they didn’t do, or did poorly.
Katrina holds nothing but bad for TEAM LOSER. So I am not against their bringing it up, whether they are lying about their response or the conditions that the victims are living in. Their intent might be to try and con the public, but just cause they believe that doesn’t mean that the public will be conned. And, my bet, the public won’t be conned but will once again be reminded of the reality of TEAM LOSER’S abject failures and not giving a shit.
Just b/c THEY think their talking points and photo ops will be positively received doesn’t make that the reality. All it does is give a golden opportunity for people to expose and trumpet the truth of the situation.
Sort of like in the article above.
Their tone deaf; let them be tone deaf and use it bring them down.
darkblack, just how is that that so much intelligence and snark gets rolled up into one darkblack? Love your comments and love your graphics.
Your fan, Old Sow
swamp dweller @
2
Done.
Just when I thought I couldn’t possibly hate Joe any more…
Pach, I have a question for you end of last thread.
this from the wapo chat this morning:
…A report being released today by top Democrats, titled “Broken Promises: The Republican Response to Katrina…”
Is that report Harry Reid’s baby? If so, we ought to give him some props for it, as a refreshing counterpoint to the grief we’re giving him on JoMo. Carrot AND stick.
OT – for Apple Powerbook/iBook G4 owners. New battery recall:
http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/pr…..06245.html
Peterr @ 9
ah, but Peterr, real world RV’s are stopped by Capitol Police before they ever get any where near the Mall
actually it is kind of amusing watching these clueless red-state tourists suddenly finding themselves on the wrong side of the war on terror…
EPU
I don’t disagree with you at all. I do, however, think that pointing out that Rocky was a shill even makes it more egregious (sorry egregious for using your name, but it fit so well).
The photo op will flop and that flap that comes from exposing the shill makes it into a belly flop! Works for me.
Glad you caught this one, Christy.
I saw it last night, and the 1st thing to slam me in the face about that doofus photo-op was that this schmoe was using the same angle, & some of the same talking points, as the ever-charming St*uncan did yestidee.
I wish someone would run the 2 oopsies side-by-side & see if they don’t sorta jibe.
I gotta give up the machine now, in all fairness to dear spouse who was ever-so patient letting me hog the ‘nets all the rest of this week, but I’ll be back.
Bye gang. Sounds more like the old FDL today. I’ll catch up later. ;->
Peterr @ 9
Peterr, my man, I like the way you think. I would like a better outcome this time around, though. Those poor WWI vets suffered a great deal.
To repeat.
They didn’t care when New Orleans drowned.
Who could possibly think that they care now.
This message would be in my ads if I were running against a national thug candidate.
Urban Pirate: The press is emplyed by huge Republican corporations. GE, Disney, Rev. Sun Myung Moon, et cetera. There’s your answer.
George Bush sure is a can do guy — he can do what his handlers tell him in front of the camera.
Well, actually, he isn’t all that good at that, either.
The WH staff drew straws to determine who would have to tell the soon to be disappointed Chimp that ol Whiplash doesn’t come with a trailer hitch . . .
http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/…..37a61d.jpg
(h/t swopa)
oh, and this cretin Rocky – Trailer Trash
karen allen @ 31
What I’ve been sayin’. You forgot Murdoch and Scaife…
Isn’t Bush a “canned doo” sort of guy rather
than “can do”? Just wondering.
Hillary Clinton’s behavior is despicable as illustrated by her refusal to debate her opponent Jonathan Tasini. A recent poll shows Tasini with 13%. What’s the Senator so afraid of? I surmise the truth. The truth about her coziness with the anti-labor DLC, the neo-cons and her awful triangulation. This is not democracy in action. It’s Clinton and Time-Warner in action. It’s so revolting!
afterthought @ 35
“Canned doo” implies that the doo is adequately contained, which is clearly not the case.
No, Bush is a doo-doo sort of guy.
karen allen @ 38
Bush is a Mountains of Doo sort of guy.
EPU: got it. Response downstairs.
Actually I think this was a classic Rovian propaganda move.
They tried to draw attention away from how awful things were down there during Katrina Anniversary season, by having a “guy who lost everything” show up PRAISING DER CHIMPENFUHRER. Heck he loves him some Chimpy so much, he wants him to be in office for a third term!
And that is how Rove delivers his other propaganda point, trying to subvert our democracy yet again, and get 4 more years of Chimpy. Which would mean of course 4 more years to stack the Supreme Court, 4 more years to disburse corporate welfare to the Republican enabler corporations, 4 more years to foment more terrorism in the Middle East, 4 more years to ramp up their pretty little Police State here at home…
The trial balloon of a third term for BushCo is really the story here.
They tried to draw attention away from how awful things were down there during Katrina Anniversary season, by having a “guy who lost everything” show up PRAISING DER CHIMPENFUHRER.
Think “happy purple fingers”.
Katrina=nothing but bad, 24/7.
This President stinks like a 6 month-old tuna sandwich in the trunk of a ‘67 Impala parked in the Mojave Desert in July.
24/7.
yet another 7.5 lb perch.
Pach – I pose the question differently downstairs.
Kurt @ 41
Thankfully, I think the bar is too high for a constitutional amendment, plus if they can’t make it retroactive, it’d be Dubya vs. Bubba, and even with Diebold it wouldn’t even be close.
Christy, the dude in the photo at the top of your post is a FAKE.
Actually, they both are!
I agree with Eli. They don’t want to open the bottle and let out the Third Term Genie. I also agree with EPU–Katrina is nothing but bad for them. Nobody–nobody thinks Katrina was anything but a dreadful fiasco.
Kurt @ 11:06
my initial response to your comment was a pleasant guffaw – knowing I am surrounded here in Texas by former worshipers of the Bush Cult
but then it hit me that they could try likening GWOT to WWII and the necessity of FDR’s third term blah blah blah and was momentarily terrified
but then I remembered the Constitutional Amendment on Presidential Term limits
and then I thought of Lil’ Scalito. . .and was terrified all over again
cleter @ 48
It reminds me a bit of Joe’s attempt to neutralize “The Kiss” with “The Hug” – best not to even remind people of it at all.
However, my take is that the anniversary is out there, Katrina stories are out there, so it’s already dimly in the public consciousness, so they’re trying to salvage the most positive spin they possibly can.
Anyway, it’ll all be forgotten when the flag-waving for the fifth anniversary of 9/11 gets cranked up. It will be a Stark Reminder Of The Grim Implacable Forces Of Evil We Are Up Against, and Why We Must Never Waver In Our Terrible Resolve To Blow Up The Entire Muslim World.
cleter @ 48
They could possibly make a case for Chimpy since he didn’t actually “win” 2 elections. He was “appointed” to the first term by the Supreme Court. Seeing as how any legal challenge to a third term run would also appear before the Supreme Court…which is stacked with gooper appointees…it might actually pass muster.
I think there would be rioting in the streets if they tried it, but at this point nothing would surprise me from that group of criminals.
Bob Gieger’s earlier piece from democrats.com fits here pretty well IMO
Dayton refuses to sign off on the WH Katrina cover up, Lieberman – is Lieberman
Joe Lieberman, ranking committee member, refusing to make the Bush White House provide documents, information and testimony or the investigation. No wonder Susan Collins feels comfortable handing the gavel over to him.
No wonder Dick Cheney and George Bush and Karl Rove and Ann Coulter and Sean Hannity and Bill O’Reilly want to see him elected.
No wonder Republican pollsters and campaign managers want to work for him.
They could probably never rely on Schlesinger to look the other way over something like the worst abandonment of Americans on American soil EVER.
Also on the subject of a third term: I got the sense that most people here and at Eschaton thought that George Felix Allen (Sidarth Evader) was the likely Republican nominee – does the “macaca” incident take him out of play for ‘08, or will everyone have forgotten about it except a few wackjobs on the left?
When did W meet with Tom Freidman? :^)
Kurt @ 51
That’s not how he would stay in power. Two words: Martial. Law.
meta @
44
I kinda like the ‘67 Impala. Do think I
can get the smell out?
There was this Corvette once that a friend of a friend told me about, that got stuck in a snow drift and the owner froze….well, you can read the reast on some “urban legend” site.
Christy, I saw it live can’t say I was surprised just sickened. I cried so many tears for NO last year, now I’m just NUMB from it all. Pam
Kurt @ 52
Can’t be elected more than twice, can’t serve more than 10 years. No way they are going to cop to him not actually being elected.
Can anyone from New Orleans verify the identity of the actor playing a New Orleans resident in the photo op?
I didn’t think so.
and the best reason not to worry about a third term -
George Felix Allen
to those who have benefitted from BUSHCO largesse, he is BUSH 2.0, new and improved, an even emptier suit that has prompted priapism in boardrooms spanning the globe
160 count Advil.
OT – from HuffPo:
Rove blasts warrantless wiretapping decision
Eli @ 54
stick a fork in him – he’s done… this has gone on FAR too long for “uneasiness” not to stick on Felix… people may not remember the exact incident, but they will remember the feeling…
Eli @ 54
he’s toast, in the opinion of this liberal former resident of VA and person who has many folks in VA. Today the wapo had yet another story referencing Wadham’s memo and Georgie’s “heartfelt apology” to Mr. Sidarth.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01600.html
What really amazes anymore, is not how stupid Bush is with these ridiculous ops, statements and policies, but how stupid he “thinks” we are. Of course I do remind myself there are a lot of folks in the country, and of all places New York, that think Hillary is the greatest. I just don’t get it.
stick a fork in him – he’s done… this has gone on FAR too long for “uneasiness” not to stick on Felix… people may not remember the exact incident, but they will remember the feeling…
Macacaquiddick…
Oklahoma kiddo @ 65
I really am amazed that more people aren’t insulted by the whole Republican strategy, which is to assume that they’re cowardly, bigoted morons. I know that sort of thing pisses *me* off.
Who in the HELL got money to buy gas for a trip like that ?? A REP–PUG-STEALTH– THUG !!
Eli @ 66
Don’t feed the GOP meme about OUR Senior Senator from Massachusetts, please!
James E. Thompson @ 69
I noticed that too… he’s prolley getting 10mpg and it’s a long way from LA to D.C.
Oklahoma kiddo @
66
I don’t know anyone who thinks Hillary would be a even marginally bad pick. Everybody thinks she would be terrible. Is this an another case of inside the beltway navel gazing DLC types?
ditto TeddySF @ 69.
sorry for the OT again – kinda related to the Condit/Scarborough conversation from yesterday.
–sorry if this was previously posted
How about a Katrina aftermath-clearing weekend? We know he loves to clear brush – why not a little trash instead? He can even wear his cowboy hat!
Of all the things to worry about, Chimpy III is not one of them.
“He’s been such a fantastic failure, he should have 4 more years to completely destroy the country!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
I had a long talk with my stock broker this morning, who is a Republican, about politics. He admits voting for Chimpy; also admits is was a mistake. He sees Chimpy as a total failure on core non Wingnut issues, like budget deficits and the economy, as well as the phony war. I asked him if he felt as if he was sold a “bill of goods,” and he said yes.
I realize that reality is not a friend to TEAM LOSER or perhaps repugs in general, but some unreality is more ludicrous and ridiculous than others, and a Constitutional amendment to allow 4 more years for Chimpy is one of them.
they made not need Martial. Law.
two more: Servant Class
Don’t feed the GOP meme about OUR Senior Senator from Massachusetts, please!
I was afraid that might not go over well. My point was not to slam Teddy, but to draw the parallel of how a single incident can make someone permanently unelectable as president.
Like using the National Guard to evade service in a war you support, and then mysteriously bailing on even that. Oh, wait…
I thought Rockey’s wistful longings for a 3rd Bush term was what gave the whole thing away as a big phoney photo op…
well, that and the fact that he seemed exactly like a Rovian plant…
I think that the Lamont campaign should hang Katrina around Lieberman’s neck nonstop, loud and long, for a solid week
He probably won’t but it Dayton would come out and say that it would have been nice to have support from the Ranking Democrat on the Oversight, Joe Lieberman, in combating the Bush WHite HOuse coverup on Katrina.
Lieberman needs to be asked over and over why he has not come out and called the President a liar for his “no one expected” comment on the levees, especially after the FEMA tape was released and he needs to be hit again and again with never forcing the subpoena question and with siding with his Republican friends to issue a cover up report instead of refusing to sign off until the WH cooperated with Congress, the way the Executive Branch is required to cooperate with Congress.
Mr. Lieberman: Why is it ok for the PResident to lie about Katarina? Why did you sign off on a report when the WH never complied with doucment, testimony and information requests? What do you think of the arranged meeting with the President and the Republican candidate? Do you agree that the President should serve a third term? WOuld you say the Katrina response has gone as well as, or less well than, the Iraq war?
on and on – hammer the points until people can recite them in their sleep.
Then hit another issue, that clear, that hard, that loud. Then the next one.
Eli – I was writing my last post and didn’t see yours till now. People, including repugs, are offended. Now, my stock broker is not active in repug politics, but his wife is. And he makes no bones about the fact that he is tired of TEAM LOSER and their political antics/catnip.
It’s not only the money for that gas guzzler, but the pollution emanating from it.
oh wait, global warming doesn’t really exist. only photo ops matter…backslappin’ and aw shucksing and plain talkin’ good ole boys.
I got an e-mail from my friend who lives near bernard parish….
she said….
Agreed, Allen is out of play.
Which is why I’m conerned about Unilateral Executive Chimpy. Who else do the goopers have to put out there? Cheney? He’s already a walking corpse, and is probably the most hated man in the country. McCain? He’s old, and might not be pro-Forever War enough for their tastes. (personally I think he is not even remotely moderate, and quite unprincipled enough, but they have their own zeitgeist over there).
Unless they are willing to write off the election entirely (I certainly don’t see it lol), I think they are in a real bind. They happily let an American city drown. It’s still not fixed. Do you really think they have any qualms about a little martial law?
Knot @ 83
does your friend know it is only a pretend FEMA trailer?
From Froomkin today:
In the spirit of “you can’t disprove a negative,” I would just like to say the NSA program might also have cured cancer or given me the winning lottery numbers.
And
This is the well known “We’re crap but you’re crappier” argument. I believe this was once use by a marketing firm but I can’t remember the name because it went bankrupt. *g*
Evil Parallel Universe @ 80
My hope is that people will start to remember what American values are *supposed* to be, and recognize that the Republicans’ means and ends are the exact opposite.
Of course, it’d be nice if the Democratic candidates helped jog their memories a bit…
Knot @ 83
They were saying it was a replica FEMA trailer.
Which is why I’m conerned about Unilateral Executive Chimpy. Who else do the goopers have to put out there? Cheney? He’s already a walking corpse, and is probably the most hated man in the country. McCain? He’s old, and even though he might not be pro-Forever War enough for their tastes. (peronsally I think he is not even remotely moderate, and quite unprincipled enough, but they have their own zeitgeist over there).
Assuming Dubya stays toxic enough to kill Jeb’s chances, I think McCain is the front-runner out of the available pool of potential candidates. I think he’d be tough to beat, simply because the media is so in love with the straight-talking independent maverick persona they’ve created for him, that they’d never be able to give it up.
They were saying it was a replica FEMA trailer.
Um.
Is this, like, some kind of giant Franklin Mint collectible thing?
you know if Rockey has enough money to mock up a FEMA trailer, perhaps he could just give his actual FEMA trailer to someone who really can’t afford their own…
that would be the Christian thing to do, after all…
The whole “I wish you could be our prezzydent forevah” was such a shamefully freakish propping up of the pathetic no-legs legacy, I know that at least 60% of all those viewing had to just cough up a cheezy hairball at the mere thought. The fact that it was based on Katrina just reeeeks of their stale perfume. But it gave Chimp a chance to do his thick accent shoulder-pumping regular guy thing. Let him go open a bar.
Knot @ 83 – according to Ann Althouse’s piece in the NYT, the President needs to be allowed to decide for himself what the law is. I guess that’s how you get buy with it.
Maybe Lieberman could ask Bush to give a quick ruling on whether or not Connecticut for Lieberman is a legitmate third party?
Mary @ 92
Can someone *please* tell me why anybody on this entire planet believes she is a serious person? Christ, *I’m* more serious than her, and I post videos of Kermit The Frog performing “Once In A Lifetime”.
My stock broker was not high on McCain, but really hadn’t thought about repugs he might like. I told my stock broker he might like Chuck Hegel, who at least seems sane, but that Hegel has little chance of winning in the primaries.
Amond Dems, the broker missed Bill Clinton, thought Hillary was a good NY senator but not so much presidential, didn’t like Gore so much (but didn’t really dislike him either), and did like Edwards, who he thought he could vote for.
Eli @ 88
Patriotic Democrats should continue to ask these relevant questions:
1. Isn’t John McCain too old to be President?
2. Isn’t that thing on John McCain’s left cheek changing again?
Evil Parallel Universe @ 94
I think Hagel could win a general election (owning a big chunk of ES&S don’t hurt), but I agree that the Republicans would never let him get that far unless they were *really* desperate.
Which they very well may be…
I think McCain would have to really PROVE he’s in good health… and I’m guessing he couldn’t pass a rigorous physical…
http://wusatv9.com/news/news_a…..ryid=51574
wonder who Rockey invited to his gourmet meals??? Nobody I know in Richmond was invited, jest sayin’.
OT:
“Hold it! Next man makes a move, the Democrat gets it!“
…Apologies to Mel Brooks
;>)
Hugh @ 86 –
Not only is it a lie that they could not have eavesdropped before 9/11 (and for that matter – they WERE eavesdropping, and have not been happy to discuss the intercepts that never got translated in time that did discuss what was coming)
It is also a lie that they would have been paying attention to al-Qaeda. If the memo saying Bin Laden was determined to strike, the visit from the CIA, Hart telling Rice, Clarke telling Wolfowitz, Scheuer telling anyone who would listen including Tenet, etc. — if those things didn’t put Bin Laden on their radar, why would anyone think that they would have bothered to eavesdrop?
They saw the threat as Iraq as soon as they went into office, and continued to see the threat as Iraq after 9/11.
I think Rove needs a dose of “hey Karl – NSA WAS listening in before 9/11, GWB just wasn’t paying any attention and never bothered to get the intercepts translated until after 9/11. THe problem isn’t that you couldn’t listen, it’s that you still can’t HEAR!”
Mitt Romney’s Dad’s campaign for President imploded over the Mormon-secret-underpanties issue. My understanding of his faith is that the secret-underpanties requirement has not changed.
Apologies to Mormons among us, but secret-underpanties do not a President make. Within the GOP, even the Fundies will never go for it.
My money — and my fondest 2008 hopes — are for video-diagnostician and cat-killer Fristy, drenched in gorilla testosterone. With Cheney as his running mate!
GOP bench (no particular order): McCain, Rudy, Hagel, Allen, Romney, Frist, Rice?
Dem bench (ditto): Hillary, Biden, Kerry, Edwards, Feingold, Richardson
Who am I leaving out?
EPU, what an interesting stock broker you have.
The whole election may turn on how and when we leave Iraq. Since Chimp has decided it will be at least 2 more years, it will take a clear articulation of another plan to get people off that notion.
I think that even the MSM couldn’t hide just how conservative McCain is. Sure, he does a few things like moderate campaign reform that had little effect on political corruption and torture which Bush in a signing statement quickly promised to ignore but for the rest he is among the most conservative of the conservatives.
McCain won’t be president. Not that you should stop attacking him for his all things to all people approach to politics and for wanting to mire us deeper in
VietnamIraq; but he won’t win the repug nomination.Which brings me to the long post I haven’t written: The Powell Doctrine (which McCain is an advocate of) is based on an unproveable assumption – that we would have WON in Vietnam if we had committed the resources in material and troops to the fight. NO ONE KNOWS IF THAT IS TRUE OR NOT, but the Powell Doctrine, and McCain, rely on people accepting that assumption as true.
It is just as likely that we would have lost in Vietnam regardless.*
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I don’t doubt our ability to totally destroy any country in the world and kill every inhabitant of that country – but, at least for me, that is not victory; especially since our alleged intent in Vietnam was to fight communism and in Iraq is, this week, to bring democracy, not to anihilate.
Mary @
93
Why not just have Bush appoint Re-volting Joe
to a life senate term? Why bother with subtleties?
TeddySF -
oh, I like that very much!
al-Scooter @ 102
Warner, Schweitzer (MT), Clark, *hopefully* Gore.
Meta: My dentist favors Lamont. Also my hair stylist and the lady at the grocery store, lol.
al-Scooter @
103
Dem: Warner, Vilsack, RGJoe, Gore.
TeddySanFran @ 110
Oh, and I think Bayh is nursing presidential fantasies as well.
Mary #101,
Well said. Rove is as usual attacking to avoid having to defend the Administration’s failures.
Evil Parallel Universe @ 95
I don’t know your part of the country EPU, but in western KY and SO Ind red spots, I get some similar feedback. McCain’s got lots of carryover name recognition (which sometimes seems the only thing people vote on – the name they can remember seeing) but not any real enthusiasm for anyone (and I say that as someone who had some pro-McCain moments way back when and knows ex-pro-McCain people).
Edwards just doesn’t send the red guys nuts like Hillary does (he gets some mild “trial lawyer” grumbles, but not much of that even) and he gets some actual enthusiasm from the “Bayh” type dems who voted GWB. Gore is less a hot button with them either way.
Bayh is always nursing presidential fantasies… blegh!
RevDeb @ 28
Au contraire! Pardon my French :)
I WANT people to use this word. It’s the entire point of why I chose this nom de plume.
Fire away.
Eli @
109
Joe Whinerman
-GSD
Meta – For my broker it was much more than Iraq. He is not a NeoNut, but economically repug if not conservative. He thinks TEAM LOSER’s failures are greater than just Iraq, but really across the board.
GSD @ 116
But not as a Dem.
Edwards is pretty, smart, compassionate, regretful of his Iraq War vote, committed to One America rather than the Two Americas. He’s a Southerner. He has an extraordinary personal story and family. What’s not to like in John Edwards?
my general impression of Repugs around here is that they don’t read the paper and they are mostly interested in what their bank account looks like… I just never get the feeling that they are very tuned in to politics at all…
Sen. Harry Reid’s spokesman is Jim Manley. His spokeswoman is named Joanie Womanley. Or does she prefer Ladylike?
Either way, here’s the number for Reid’s Washington office: 202-224-3542
EPU,
I’m not sure Powell promulgated the doctrine to say we could have won in Vietnam but rather what we as a nation need to do if we are to win in any war. There are several parts to the doctrine, all of which Bush violated in going into Iraq. But a major tenet which is often forgotten is that along with clear objectives, overwhelming force, an exit plan there is the need to have overwhelming public support. This happened in neither Iraq or Vietnam, and realistically never could have happened.
TeddySanFran @ 119
The Republicans would hammer his lack of governmental experience to paint him as an unqualified lightweight.
And they’ve already proven just how much damage an unqualified lightweight can do.
portia.vz @ 5
Sharp eye, portia
He always wears blue when he wants to be seen as a regular guy. [scroll down and see]
Peterr — I left for a while but came back to find your reply on previous. thanks. I like the dream.
Then hit another issue, that clear, that hard, that loud. Then the next one.
And the next one, Mary, will be along in just a few days here.
Now I grant you I was sleepy at the time, but I’m pretty sure I didn’t dream this:
Near the end of Christiane Amanpour’s “In the Steps of bin Laden” special last night, CNN announced that on the 5th anniversary of 9/11, they will replay, from 8:30 AM until midnight, their real-time coverage of the date in question.
What d’ya think —
Does BushCo look forward to this? I bet yes.
Should BushCo look forward to this? I bet no.
Does anyone else notice how conspicuosly absent the Jebster is from any Republcan polling?
I mean, if they LOVE Chimpy so much, why not Chimpy Jr. and his powerful secret warrior friend?
-GSD
P.S. Teddy, what is the “Mormon panties” issue?
If the unthinkable happens and Ned loses to RGJoe, His Egoship will know no bounds. He will run for President as a UnityDem. If we haven’t accelerated our grassroots work and also decided on a progressive standard bearer — AND if HillDog stays out — RGJoe could be our party’s 2008 Presidential nominee.
That’s why 11/7/06 is sooooooo important.
Well, that’s why 8/8 was sooooo important, but apparently there’s do-overs.
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Had Enough?
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Don’t know about Mormon panties, but I do know there is such a thing as Hasidic underwear.
TSF @120 – that he’s not Feingold! *g*
I don’t see anyone other than Feingold who I believe in my heart of hearts is actually TOUGH ENOUGH to handle what we are going to have to face over the next few years and who you can mostly trust on most things to do the mostly right thing.
OTOH, Edwards is very smart and does believe in right and wrong – that puts him head and shoulders above most of the rest of crew. And he has an electability feature that people say Feingold doesn’t have.
IMO, Clark will have more appeal to many with the things that have happened, but more so as the VP anchor on ticket.
One thing is for sure – it’s time for the line up to show some leadership from somewhere. That has been mostly Feingold. Gore’s speech was a highpoint. Clark’s hard work for the FIghting Dems was worth a nod. Kerry has been trying to do the right thing more (on Alito, the war, etc.) but really, other than Feingold, Edwards & Clark seem to me to be emerging as the strongest voices.
We’ll see – but smart doesn’t hurt.
Karen, you lucky woman! hahahaa. I’m luckily surrounded by Dems in most areas of my life. In fact I remember the day after the 2004 election, I went to work and instead of us scurrying constantly to attend to every detail of our work – it was a very high-end star chef restaurant – we all just stood there, including the Executive Chef, too numb to move, each of us just about crying. So I don’t run into the Republican thing very often.
However, my dear oldest brother – a staunch Republican – and I don’t dare discuss politics. Too painful. But I was visiting when the news came on about the London bomb scare, and I thought I saw him wince
at the radio. That’s a lot coming from him.
But are any of them actually electable? How many would even survive their own primary?
McCain and Giuliani are the only ones I would take seriously. McCain is prolly too old, and too wingerish…and it would come out in the primary run, his faux-moderate credentials would be exposed. Rudy has marriage issues that would hurt him with goopers, and Dems of course would not vote for him.
I really don’t think any of them are electable.
OfT: GSD: http://www.exmormon.org/mormon/mormon013.htm
Really hot here.
Mormon underwear
TeddySanFran @ 120
I like him. I’d vote for him. But on the other hand I think that we have a great crop of potential candidates. I’d vote for Edwards, Kerry, Gore, Clark, Warner, Feingold and even Hillary. Anyone of these would do a good job. They might do things differently between each other but each of them is a quality candidate. I think that the Dems are just going to outclass the Repubs during the next Presidential election.
The “Mormon-secret-underpanties” issue, Teddy?
Uh, whuzzat?
darkblack @ 100
Darkblack, who is that, um, woman?
Mary at 80 — great suggestion. Dayton to Ct: “Joe ain’t what he says.” All week long.
“Hasidic underwear,” yet?
Dang, the gaps in my knowledge!
Guiliani? I can’t support somebody who married his own cousin. And then had the nerve to say he didn’t even realize she was his cousin. Oh. Mah. Gawd.
And then announced on tv that he was filing divorce papers against his second (Or third?) wife before he even told her. I remember Donna Hanover being interviewed that same day in tears. I can’t forgive Rudy for that and a lot of other women couldn’t agree with me, too.
There’s always Huckabee too – not a Pres IMO, but an awfully attractive VP candidate.
If you have some combo of Huckabee, Hagel, Romney — they’ll be harder to pin with the gonzonutso aspects of the Right Extreme, but still plenty right to make them the pick over any Dems for the Ralph Reed core.
IMO, fwiw. I did tell SWOPA I have no political radar whatsoever. Just strong personal reactions.
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lotus – if anyone asks any of the right questions, you bet they should worry. Rove just highlighted one of those right questions: You WERE listening to terrorist, you had a memo and a CIA trip and a warning from Hart and warnings from Clarke all telling you that an al-Qaeda attack on the homeland was IMMINENT.
Why didn’t you translate the tapes?
Evil Parallel Universe @ 118
I believe there are many moderate Repubs (and of course Independents) all across the country who are disgusted and dismayed at what BushCo has done to: the economics of the country, civil-liberties, checks & balances, our standing in the world, depletion of the military and our intelligence capability, lack of will or desire to improve our national security since 9/11 – the list goes on. And what happened during Katrina brought it all home.
If the kiss float could visually symbolize all that was wrong with Lieberman – images of NO spoke said it all to millions of Americans. (I had a very conservative co-worker tell me last August that it almost turned her into a liberal – that is until Limbaugh, et al began the drumbeat that it was the fault of the poor because of their love of welfare)
The fact that little has been done to fix the mess but enrich Bush cronies makes what happened even worse. No wonder Rove felt compelled to do that pathetic Kabuki yesterday. I wonder if the MSM is going to admit that they were taken in, yet again.
And yeah, I’m done with fighting “fair” on those kinds of questions.
Liars who betray their oaths of office don’t really instill a lot of “aw Mary, is that a fair question” in me any more.
To return for a moment to the post, “we’re not buying the phony photo op!” Well, of course we’re not, but TradMed is pushing it, almost without question, on American info-consumers who’ll drink it with their daily kool-aid.
I’m hoping to use the SpotLight feature with this post, and I wonder who would be best recipients of a forwarded post like this one? Ideas on who you are sending Christy’s post to, ‘pups?
lotus @ 141
well, if i can’t expand your knowledge any, at least i can expand your consciousness. ‘ere, flowah!
Good one, DB
TeddySanFran @ 146
This is why FDL is so good for one’s garmental health.
Katherine Harris’ plastic implants give an interview.
On civil rights for gays:
“Civil rights have to do with individual rights and I don’t think they apply to the gay issues. I have not supported gay marriage and I do not support any civil rights actions with regard to homosexuality.”
On church and poltics:
“That lie we have been told, the separation of church and state, people have internalized, thinking that they needed to avoid politics and that is so wrong because God is the one who chooses our rulers.”
Batshit crazy with a side of Fruit Loops
Wow, just wow.
-GSD
Give’em Hell Mary for Reid’s press sec:
I missed this “news” item yesterday, so bear with me. Is it fair to say that a man pretending to be a destitute citizen of New Orleans towed a fake FEMA trailer to demand a meeting with the President that had already been arranged? The man was faking being destitute, but was actually a Republican political operative. The FEMA trailer was fake, because it’s illegal to tow a real FEMA trailer. The meeting with the President was actually done by invitation. All of this was discovered by people either using a search engine or asking appropriate questions at a press conference later.
And none of this was caught by CNN?
You know, Dems have let the deficits fall off the radar. We are having a housing slump and teetering on stagflation/recession. Bush can trumpet “good news” anyway he wants, but people have lived with the “good news” for the upper 10% long enough now that they KNOW there is no “trickle down.”
Jobs, raises, education, education financing etc. – all are pathetic and people know it. You don’t even need numbers (did Imention I’m done with “fight fair”) you just tell people over and over, loud and long BUSH AND THE RUBBER STAMP REPUBLICANS HAVE SCREWED THE POOCH on the economy. It won’t matter what Repubs come back with – this can be all soundbite, all the time, Because People Are Living It. All they want is to hear the affirmation. From someone.
Hugh – Not that there aren’t other parts to the Doctrine, but each of them is really based on Powell’s Vietnam experience and commentators’ critiques of why we lost when “we should have won.” McCain’s views are based on the same experiences in Vietnam, and the same critiques.
My issue is with the assumptions.
I’m not saying that the Powell Doctrine isn’t a better theory of going to war than what led us into Iraq. It is. But it is still an unproven theory based on unproven assumptions.
“Civil rights have to do with individual rights and I don’t think they apply to the gay issues. I have not supported gay marriage and I do not support any civil rights actions with regard to homosexuality.”
So… gays aren’t individuals? They’re a collective, like the Borg with fashion sense?
Crikey. It’s always nice to be reminded why I should never feel sorry for her.
Cujo at 152 — yep, that’s about it — although you left out the part that he owns a large chain of food establishments and is a successful businessman and former GOP politial candidate. But the pre-arranged meeting? Yep. Pretty much.
well, if i can’t expand your knowledge any, at least i can expand your consciousness. ‘ere, flowah!
Teddy, I thought you’d never ask!
Where’s Bong? He’ll catch a whiff and come running.
Eli at 155 — well, not even with the collective fashion sense if you are counting Liberace. (I’m just saying…)
These people are fucking idiots. Karl needs to watch Battleship Potemkin again.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 157
You mean “7 Of 88″.
Media Matters has a great piece on this sham, Cujo– places the blame on CNN.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200608240002
OK, let’s recast the candidates…
Likudnik War Party (choose a maximum of two): McCain, Allen, Rudy, Frist, Hillary, Biden, Lieberman, Rice, Richardson?
Antiwar Party: Edwards, Hagel,Kerry, Feingold, Gore?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 158
hey, hey, hey, lady, respect my culture! we don’t make WVA jokes on your blog, i’m just saying!
karen allen #142,
I just looked at Giuliani’s wiki article. It looks like it was written by a PR consultant.
TeddySanFran @ 161
BTW, “Liberace” is now a dirty word. We prefer “Progressirace”.
If all Karl’s got is “what if we’d been able to listen before 9/11?” I’m kinda glad he’s still around.
But Mr. Rove:
Didn’t Sen. Hart (D-Reality Based World) tell Sec. Rice that al-Qaeda was a present danger and she chose not to respond?
Could 9/11 have been avoided if only you had listened to a Democrat?
GSD @ 150
Laughed out loud at the first line.
Shakin my head in amazement after clicking the link.
Mary @ 12:14 pm (#153) – You know, Dems have let the deficits fall off the radar.
What I find absolutely amazing about this circumstance is that the only economic justification I can see for the sorts of tax cuts the Republicans have favored is that they increase the supply of capital. In other words, it should be easier to get a mortgage or a business loan. Interest rates should be lower. Instead, it’s harder and the rates are rising.
So, even at the things they were trying to do to (with?) the economy, the Bush Administration appears to have failed.
here’s a real nice tidbit from Media Matters:
(guess the administration is still in vaca mode while the Middle East burns)
and this:
suuuuure.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200608240002
Let me try again…
War Party: All GOP ex-Hagel, Hillary, Biden, Lieberman, Richardson?
Antiwar Party: Clark, Edwards, Hagel, Kerry, Feingold, Gore?
omg cnn’s kyra phillips is a redhead! when did THAT happen?
overnight, Teddy. The white striped strawberry blonde schtick is sooo over.
Speaking of taking care of the homeland: Here is an interesting factoid.
The tax-cuts benefiting the most wealthy (which the rethugs are dying to make permanent) are projected –over 75 years — to cost the federal treasury over $11 trillion. By contrast, it is estimated that it would cost $4 trillion to fully fund social security over the same period.
In the meantime, the 30 to 40 percent of the Goopers who read Left Behind as a history text, are too busy looking for signs of the rapture to worry about their own or their children’s future security.
Which takes us back to Katrina — whose interests are this admin really looking out for?
So why do I get the distinct impression that the 2008 presidential election will be between the War Party and the War Party?
How Hegelian!
twolf1 @ 74
Wow – I’m wondering if he was deputy press secretary while Guilliani was having an affair with his press secretary, Christyne. That was the first Guilliani scandal during his reign as Mayor – and after his very visible affair his wife stopped going to events with him.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/f…..A965958260
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories…..4350.shtml
Guilliani is a slime bucket and once the media starts digging a bit deeper, there is no way he could ever be a serious GOP candidate.
Susan in Iowa @
139
Some hilaryious personage, busy triangulating to anonymity
;>)
angie @ 172
Darn! How come nobody told me?
I know how ya feel, scarecrow. ‘Ere.
AP on Joe campaigning
scarecrow, it’s only over if it’s fake…
not to worry.
but seriously those white stripes were messing with my teevee reception big-time.
Karl knew the media would report this story uncritically, as always. Charlie Brown indeed!
i never ever would have known it was kyra unless the other -bot had addressed her by that name. the voice rang a bell, but that hair! in both -color and -do! how frightful to be her.
enough shallow banter. let’s talk about what TradMed’s talking about, the important issue: jonbenet.
angie @ 12:18 pm (#161) – Thanks for the link. Here’s a choice quote from CNN’s Kyra Phillips near the bottom of the article:
In other words, he showed up on time. Makes you proud to be an American, doesn’t it?
Snipped from DownWithTyrrany Blogspot.
I assume this is going to be covered with the claim that it’s not an endorsement but a show of support for the submarine base, which Holy Joe boasts of having saved from extinction more or less singlehandedly.
But if His Joeness has truly crossed the line and is supporting Republican candidates from his state, then this has to the end of him. It has to be turned into his political death warrant. Any Democrat who has any contact with him except to spit should be considered unclean.
snip
Amen.
http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.com/
Cujo359 @ 182
wow, her new hair endorsed rockey for his next elective office. shameless.
Yowzers!
1,000 evacuated after Louisiana bomb plant blasts
But if His Joeness has truly crossed the line and is supporting Republican candidates from his state, then this has to the end of him. It has to be turned into his political death warrant. Any Democrat who has any contact with him except to spit should be considered unclean.
Aid and comfort.
Speaking of Louisiana, here’s a timewarp for ya…
http://www.shreveporttimes.com…../1002/NEWS
Dr. King, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., to Shreveport stat! Dr. King…!
From wiki,
Gulf War I was Powell’s war and adhered to what became known as the Powell Doctrine. World War II although it comes well before the Doctrine was in conformity with it. These were two successful wars.
Korea, Vietnam, and Gulf War II had unclear objectives, no exit strategy, and did not have overwhelming public support. They were not successful. Afghanistan began as a Powell Doctrine War but its endgame was left languishing in the run up to Iraq and can no longer be considered one since there is no exit plan for it.
I sent it to the ” Washington Bureau Chief” or equivalent of all the national newspapers. I know I should go back and do some TV and radio, but I’m not sure who to target. Obviously left-leaning shows, cause the Fascist ones are ignoring facts on purpose.
HTH, Teddy.
TeddySanFran @
146
Interestingly, Rockey’s Myspace page is now “down for maintenance”.
Cujo @152
Yeah, that about sums it up. Says a lot about CNN, doesn’t it?
Looks like Giuliani is “tying up some loose ends” before making his run.
Old Rudy is hoping to make 2008 Giuliani Time for the rest of America.
Thanks but no thanks.
Hey Rudy, are the Christian Pat Robertson Republicans going to like you or think that you are a drag?
-GSD
The Korean War wasn’t successful?
Eli @ 13
I heard on Rachel Maddow this morning that American schoolchildren collected, earned and contributed more ($10 million) that Exxon, Verizon, and several other big corps did – - combined!
Talk about yer small businesses: Lemonade stands and bake sales and piggy banks did that.
Afghanistan began as a Powell Doctrine War but its endgame was left languishing in the run up to Iraq and can no longer be considered one since there is no exit plan for it.
I thought the exit plan was “Hey, look over there!”
angie @
180
She’s got a Seven Nation Army
Kurt @ 191
Well of course!
He has to upload the pictures of him and Stupie!
Bustednuckles @ 184
If this was a bipartisan event about the issue of base closings – why wasn’t Dodd there, or any of the Dem politicians who helped keep the base open????
Bustednuckles @ 195
Obviously, the Lamont campaign hacked it.
So what else are we being distracted from and/or set up by?
Today’s top, front page NYT has this article by Mark Mazzetti, entitled, “Some in GOP say Iran threat played down,” which some of you linked to last nite. It’s all about how unnamed WH Bushies/neocons are upset that the intelligence is not being conclusory/tough enough about the Iran threat. Too many “no evidence to show that . . .” statements coming from the professionals. Paragraph after paragraph quotes completely unnamed sources for how the real threat is being watered down/missed by our intelligence services. The only named sources say this is bunk.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08…..ref=slogin
What the story should be saying is that the WH wurlitzer is trying to fan the war flames, and is being resisted by our intelligence services, who instead of being listened to, are being berated again. Sound familiar?
The WaPo article has a different slant, but on the same underlying story, talking about how the staff warmongers on House (Hoesktra) Intel Committee wrote a report making the same argument wrt to the intelligence community missing the Iran threat.
Hugh @ 164
And so does Rita Cosby’s. I looked her up to see what kind of disease makes you gulp huge lungsful of breath between short phrases.
It didn’t mention that, but it did say a lot of breathlessly nice things about her.
Approving Use of Wiretap, Judge Deals Blow to Free Press
By Paul Kiel – August 24, 2006, 12:39 PM
Journalism took another hit yesterday when a federal judge ruled the government could legitimately tap the phones of anyone handling “material that is not generally available to the public.” …
Eli @ 199
Joe’s IT staff will fix it pronto!
lotus @ 140
So what’s up with Hadassah’s underwear? Semper ubi sub ubi.
Lotus 203 – I never cease to be amazed at the shite they get away with.
punaise @ 197
Did you hear that segment on NPR (Fresh Air?) about 6 months ago on how an Italian soccer team is using Seven Nation as a theme song?
White Stripes rawk ;)
(flowah shakes her head-petal, just on general principles)
new thread
So what’s up with Hadassah’s underwear? Semper ubi sub ubi.
Up with, or up in?
lotus @ 12:36 pm (#186) – Just the other day, we were discussing how dangerous it is to make explosives, even for professionals. That plant isn’t on 15,000 acres because it needs a big parking lot.
*ilson – I just heard a blurb on local radio (KQED-FM, local NPR affiliate) about the pernicious practice of re-routing website addresses for political purposes. Turns out that’s illegal in CA…whodathunk! Just thought you’d want to know.
Example: the proponents Proposition 87 (taxing Big Oil to fund alternative energy research/sources) gobbled up all the No on 87 urls, such that anyone going to http://www.noon87.org and similar addresses got sent to a Yes on 87 page.
(No on 87 is basically the big oil companies). Yes on 87 had to partially back down on the redirect.
Sorry, I can’t find a link to a transcript or any mention of the law. Yes on 87 home page talks about it: http://www.yeson87.org/
Mary,
I just wanted to add that most Democrats think the budget is too “complicated” for voters to be an effective issue.
I also think that the budget and specifically the deficit is a dicey issue for both parties. The on budget deficit which reflects the government’s borrowing Social Security surpluses to spend as general revenue has been going on since 1983. Yet it is the off budget deficit which does not take into account this borrowing which is always referred to as the “deficit”. There is a lot of hypocrisy on both sides of the aisle about this.
Eli @ 210
“Always where under where” in Latin.
john in sacramento @ 207
no, missed that. Iraq seems to have a seven army nation, however.
white stripes on daily show:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Cx7MJY8geYo
Hmm also inneresting, I’ve been googling our buddy Rockey to see what “food chain” he worked for before Katrina, and a lot of the links I’m clicking on have been scrubbed of any refence of him. (The cached versions of the same links have info on him still).
Curiouser and curiouser.
karen allen @ 142
Does this mean you would be reluctant to support Gingrich? This individual, I think I read somewhere, once served his then wife with divorce papers whilst she was in the hospital for treatment of cancer or some such thing. And Gingrich was also running around advocating Bill Clinton’s impeachment, all the while Newtie boy was carrying on, while married, with a female staffer, or something. Look at what the Republicans offer. Gingrich, Bush, Rudy, a tower of moral rectitude, this man, etc. What a rotten bunch.
That plant isn’t on 15,000 acres because it needs a big parking lot.
Uhm hmm.
al-Scooter #194,
Not really. It was by the ceasefire very unpopular in this country. A lot of the tension between Truman and MacArthur occurred precisely because the war’s objectives weren’t clear. There wasn’t an exit strategy because we are still there, there has been no peace treaty ending hostilities, and Kim Jong-Il has the bomb and North Korea remains unstable, unpredictable, and dangerous.
Hey Kurt – what are the URL’s for those cached sites? I’m getting nothing but his blog on NOLA.com and myspace…
Kurt @
217
Late, perhaps EPU’ed. Like Pam mentioned up thread, I also remain somewhat numb from the Katrina experience. Our sanity is intact for we were able to cork our own bottle after that week. I don’t think I have ever witnessed such a perfect reason to be a single issue voter than Katrina. I thought every scared soccer Mom would have turned on this and never looked back. Snakes on a MF’in Plane appear to have more impact than Katrina. Katrina represents the failings of the entire Republican party imo. Who stands up today in dismay over their readiness or response? Any human being who remains in the republican party, much less runs for office in it, should have the full weight of defending this administration and its abominable response to Katrina. What the hell are these constituents or candidates trying to live up to? If you are voting Republican you approve of the administrations response to Katrina.
Jacqrat @ 219
Here’s the page I still had open…
scrubbed page
cached page
There are hundreds of links on Google though, just make sure you spell his name correctly:
Rockey Vaccarella
Giuliani will never be president. The idea doesn’t even deserve your contempt.
I don’t want to be uncivil, so I won’t mention the special bond that Bush and Vaccarella share…
Hugh – I don’t doubt that you can apply the Powell Doctrine and pick out successful wars where its criteria have been met.
And that you can also find unsuccessful wars where, at least in the end, it’s criteria have not been met. But at least in American history, is there an example of an unsuccessful war that meets its criteria? I doubt it b/c two of the prongs, at least to me, depend on being victorious – public opinion and exit strategy (unless crying uncle is considered an exit strategy) – and that can only be known after the war is fought.
Eli@94
“Can someone *please* tell me why anybody on this entire planet believes she is a serious person? Christ, *I’m* more serious than her, and I post videos of Kermit The Frog performing “Once In A Lifetime”.”
can I get a link?
Eli @ 87
My hope is that people will start to remember what American values are *supposed* to be, and recognize that the Republicans’ means and ends are the exact opposite.
Of course, it’d be nice if the Democratic candidates helped jog their memories a bit…
AMEN
Evil Parallel Universe @ 154
I’m reading Overthrow by Stephen Kinzer right now, and it seems to me that whenever the word “doctrine” is used, it means that someone is going to get screwed by the US.
Al-Scooter at 162 and 170, thanks for the reminder about the Lobby
Thanks for a great diary. I’m going to send this link to the writer at the WaPo to come over here and read the other side of Katrina and her devistation.
Thanks so much!
Just disgusting. Shameless. Right before the 1 year anniversery they find a guy that loves them and tell him to drive up and the president meets with him. Unreal. God I wish America was paying attention like these blogs and a couple shows on Comedy Central.