
During the first flush of the Democratic "No, really, we are serious about national security" counterattack last week (see Greg Sargent for a refresher if you’ve forgotten), Karl Rove an anonymous "top GOP strategist" made a revealing admission to the Washington Post :
The strategist, who is involved in GOP efforts to capitalize on the issue of national security, said one of the big challenges in the months ahead will be "making sure the terrorism issue sticks to Iraq." With some GOP candidates distancing themselves from Bush’s Iraq policy, the strategist said, it has been difficult marrying the issues of terrorism and Iraq. This is disturbing to top GOP officials because support for the war is low, and dropping, and Iraq is a bigger issue in many of the campaigns than the less-defined effort against terrorism, the strategist said.
Well, guess what, Karl… if you want to avoid an ulcer, you’d better not have checked the New York Times this morning:
Americans increasingly see the war in Iraq as distinct from the fight against terrorism, and nearly half believe President Bush has focused too much on Iraq to the exclusion of other threats, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll. The poll found that 51 percent of those surveyed saw no link between the war in Iraq and the broader antiterror effort, a jump of 10 percentage points since June.
And you may want to skip turning on CNN, too, Karl, ’cause their latest CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll showed similar results:
Most Americans, according to the poll, seem to have separate opinions about the war in Iraq and terrorism, with more than half (52 percent) saying the war in Iraq is a distraction from the U.S. efforts against terrorists who want to attack targets inside the United States.
A smaller percentage, 44 percent, said the war in Iraq "is an essential part" of U.S. efforts against terrorists who want to attack targets inside the United States.
Yikes! I guess that airport security scare you guys cooked up kinda backfired, Karl. You thought it was going to make people fear for their lives and run to Strong Daddy for protection, but what it really did was make them wonder what good all those damn troops in Iraq are doing if the next terrorist attack could from Great Britain as easily as anywhere else.
I think there were a couple of subconscious repercussions as well. Even if the in-flight bomb scare turns out to be grossly overhyped, there at least seemed to be a decent level of competence involved in the surveillance and arrests — something that hasn’t been anywhere in evidence in Iraq. In fact, the inept, self-defeating nature of just about everything we’ve done in that war is so overwhelming that who could blame anyone in the GOP base with a significant fear of terrorism for wanting to separate the two issues psychologically? After all, if Iraq is central to the War on Terror™, and things are slipping out of control in Iraq… well, that’s kind of a scary thought, isn’t it?
You can almost feel this kind of angst in the recent Washington Post story on how Republicans are losing the support of "security moms":
Married mothers said in interviews here that they remain concerned about national security and the ability of Democrats to keep them safe from terrorist strikes. But surveys indicate Republicans are not benefiting from this phenomenon as they have before. . . . Jean Thomas, a married mother of one, said she still feels a pang of fear every time she boards an airplane for work travel around the Midwest. "Terrorism," she said, "is the biggest concern on a daily basis."
But she said she is "pretty frustrated with politics driving decisions" in Washington. That is why she said she is strongly considering abandoning her support of Republicans to vote for the Democrats challenging Rep. Deborah Pryce and Sen. Mike DeWine on Nov. 7.
. . . Jo Ann Smith, a divorced mother in Upper Arlington, said she voted for Pryce last time but certainly will not this fall because of the war issue alone. "I am just totally disgusted with this war," Smith said. "I understand terrorism and the threat, but I am sick of hearing about it." Smith said she will vote for Democrats across the board, mostly because she considers Republicans the "worst of two evils."
. . . Marylee McCallister, a mother of three who was a Republican for 42 years until this April . . . voted for Bush because she believed his warnings that the Democratic nominee, Sen. John F. Kerry (Mass.), would weaken the nation. "I was dumb," she said. "Now, granted, they came here and rammed bombs into us, but I am afraid we have gotten into something full scale which perhaps did not have to be."
The themes are clear — like the rest of us, these Bush voters feel like terrorism has been used as a political sledgehammer, and they know that Dubya is in way over his head in Iraq. But they also know that September 11th wasn’t just a movie, and they’re personally frightened of it happening again.
With all due respect to Pachachutec’s ground-breaking (and wingnut-infuriating) work in debunking the War on Terror™ meme, I think there’s an opportunity here for Democrats to turn it to their advantage. These "security moms" and other prospective voters like them are ready to jump into the Democratic column, and we can help them be more comfortable with that leap if we reassure them there isn’t really a trade-off… they can get a realistic, adult way of extracting the U.S. from Iraq, and be safer against terrorism.
Here are some talking points I’d suggest to get that message across, permanently splitting the idea that we need to "win" in Iraq from the goal of protecting Americans from another major terrorist attack:
- A BETTER WAY: When Republicans want to talk about the war in Iraq as being essential in the fight against terrorism, their standard rhetorical trick is to contrast "staying the course" versus doing nothing. Why not flip that around, and make it a choice of their approach versus any other response:
"We’re close to losing as many American lives in Iraq as we lost on September 11th. We didn’t have to lose them; it was the result of a choice by this administration. They said, given September 11th, this is what we have to do. Were they right? Is having nearly 1,000 Americans a year die in Iraq the best way to defend this country?
If you think we could have gone a better way — and I think it’s obvious we could have — then maybe, just maybe, there’s a better way to defend the U.S. than staying in Iraq forever the way the president wants us to."
Normally, this technique is referred to as "making the perfect the enemy of the good." In this case, though, it’s more like making anything the enemy of the abysmally stupid. The underlying question is: Do you want the people whose bad judgment got us bogged down in Iraq running the country unchecked for the next two years? - LEAVING US VULNERABLE: Another bit of propaganda the Bushites have used repeatedly to justify the war in Iraq (and Israel’s invasion of Lebanon) is that we can’t afford to ignore the Middle East, letting local resentments build and used to fuel anti-American extremism. But even by his own standards, Dubya has made us more vulnerable on this score — how can anyone look at the rubble of Lebanon, and Iraq in flames, with tens of thousands of Arabs chanting "Death to America" in demonstrations, and not expect that hatred to spill over onto our shores someday? We need to respond in a way that lessens the rage, rather than increasing it.
- NO TIME TO WASTE: Democrats can demonstrate that not only do we care about terrorism as much as anyone, we view it as a more urgent concern than the Republicans. If they try to trot out the line (favored by VP Dick Cheney) about it being "no accident" that "we haven’t been hit" since September 11th, their gloating is close to complacency — just because we haven’t been hit so far doesn’t mean we won’t be in the near future. If anything, the purported British plane-bombing plot proves that.
And to respond to the latest, desperate twist by Dubya — that if "we leave [Iraq] before the mission is done, the terrorists will follow us here" — I’d simply say, I’m afraid that if we keep 150,000 troops in Iraq for the next three to five years, they’re going to beat us here. If the next terror attack comes from Great Britain, or the Phillippines, or Indonesia, how will it make us safer to have nearly all of our available military strength tied down in Iraq?
Feel free to try these talking points out on the Republicans in your life, or share them with your local progressive friends and allies, and let’s see if we can’t make Democrats the "strong on national security" party… in perception, as well as reality.
(Swopa appears courtesy of Needlenose.)



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Hair gel!
Russ!
I’ve seen dog and pony shows before, but this picture nails it.
Exploding breast implants!
All women with fake breasts must ride Amtrak or Greyhound. Republican fake boobs exempted, please display your voter registration card.
lol Twisted — what has gotten into you this evening? You are seriously frisky!
Twisted Martini @ 4
What about the fake Republican boob we elected president?
The worst part is, the silicone seems to have hardened.
talked with 2 repubs on the way home from CA late Monday. The points they seemed to start to buy had to do with the fact that the admin. is NOT doing what they need to as far as protecting the ports, the power plants, the water supply, etc. I asked them if the admin. was really serious about protecting us from terrorists, how come they haven’t done these things?
They had no good answer.
It started them thinking.
Swopa!!!!
I’ve been spamming Michael Scheuer’s Harper’s interview all morning, but I do believe it’s a must read because he clearly and directly lays out all the talking points about the huge failings of the War on Terror. So I would take a page from him and go further to say, “This is what the war in Iraq has done.” I’d go for the specific huge negatives this war has produced because when you see them, it’s just so clear and persuasive.
I just riffed over from hair gel to silicone…I wonder if all those Republican wimmen with mall hair will be allowed to board an airplane…Aquanet is pretty flammable!
Republicans are the real boobs. Just ask Katherine Harris or Pammie Atlas.
Looks like Ann Coulter is one of the first opinionators to echo the strategy What Part of the War on Terrorism Do They Support?
Swopa — great post, as always. Lots and lots to think about here — my favorite sort of read. :)
I spoke with my ex-Marine brother this morning, and he was pretty freaked about the involuntary recall. He’s not eligible, as his 8 years expired in 01. But he did agree with me when I said that Iraq was a bigger policy disaster than Vietnam.
And a guest post by Swopa of the Cognosenti, how great is that?
Swopa –
He is a real Republican, and the biggest boob in the world — but he is definitely a fake preznit.
One outta three ain’t bad . . .
I think that Paul Hackett should take on Ann Coulter in a debate. It would make a great pay per view!
So does this mean that silicone can’t be packed? And if not, will we be forever consigned to being “lubeless” when we travel?
Hi Swopa! Good to seeya.
Guys, I just want to mention that Digby, Attytood and Holden are reporting that our friend Rocky who was so lucky to snag a meet and greet with Bush, just happens to be……..wait for it…….yep, you guessed it! A Republican Politican!!
(tried some links but I think I’m too tired)
Here’s my letter to cnn, as requested by a commenter at Attytood:
“I’m writing about the “lovely” story about the man from New Orleans who miraculously managed to visit with the President and the fellow who will supposedly cut through the red tape for the residents as a result. It is a very uplifting story as long as you don’t know the entire truth, isn’t it? But when you learn that Rocky is a Lousiana Republican politician, it colors the response just a little and helps to explain how this “Mr. Nobody” managed to get an audience with the King. I expect that if an enterprising reporter were to look behind the scenes, there might be a phone call or two between the White House and our friend Rocky to confirm dates and times. And, yes, I’m cynical enough to assume that the White House found Rocky to create this heartwarming photo op, what with the election coming upon us in a few short weeks.
Guess CNN is out of that kind of reporter.
Sincerely,
zennurse
In case it has not already been noted here, there is a report that Bob Woodward met with Dick Armitage on the day he claims he was told of the Plame involvement in the Niger investigation.
Not surprisingly, calls to both have gone unanswered and the MSM has ignored the story. This is huge news. I had not seen any definitive report stating that Armitage was Woodward source before today.
The link is at Huffington Post.
inexpensive “lube” is glycerine based …
RevDeb @ 16
Only Republican, petroleum based lubes are allowed.
By the way, why does Bush keep talking about salamifascists?
Great letter zenn! How’s the computer craziness coming?
Actually, the Dems need to do some deep thinking about a war with Iran. Larry Johnson had a pretty depressing post today about our prospects for avoiding same:
http://noquarter.typepad.com/m…..ill_c.html
Even as Dems try to optimize their position on Iraq vs. GWOT, the game could be very different by late October.
OMG, that took forever. Been up since o’dark-thirty with a headache, so going to sleep with the sun.
Sweet Dreams, pups.
Going to see Body Worlds tomorrow, Oh Boy.
I’m outraged – OUTRAGED I TELL YOU – that you would disagree with me!
;-)
(ps – great post!)
Got it back, Deb, Hooray!!!
Thanks, hope you’re feeling better, sweetie.
‘night.
Chris Bowers has another Adwatch post — he thinks Patricia Madrid NM-01 has a winner.
karelroc @ 19
I called this tidbit “Snakes on a Plame” at my site…
It seems to me that if Democrats want to gain an advantage with “security moms” or for that matter anyone else in this country worried about a terrorist attack, they should come up with a solid and workable plan that concentrates on the vulnerability of our borders. And present this plan in a very public manner. And hammer this plan home over and over, day after day. Trying to glue terrorism to Iraq won’t work. And as an after thought, the Democrats might also investigate and devise a plan, a very different plan than the Republican no-plan, for attacking the root causes for why certain people in the Middle East, Asia, Africa and other areas hate America so much.
zennurse @ 27
So glad you’re back in business. Go get the sleep you need.
{{{hugs}}}
suzy_oneliner @
22
Salami comes from Italy. Just like Mussolini. Don’t you see? It the cured luncheon meat of fascists everywhere.
cleter @ 32
baloney
*ilson46201 @ 33
Will no one rid us of these turkeys?
Needlenose!
Great post Swopa – I really think finding every way we can to jiujitsu the bullshit (our response to “catapult the propaganda”?) is crucial and you are excellent at it.
Photo juxtaposition of the century.
cheesy
Busholini?
al-Scooter @ 34
Where’s the beef?
Bushitler.
RevDeb @ 38
The chickens are hawking it.
The attempt to keep the tension up has produced bored skepticism. There’s only so far it can be ratcheted up, as with any other porn, the user becomes desensitized and detached. By election day, they’ll have set themselves on fire to get attention. I can hardly wait.
They’re desperate to keep the mess in Iraq thought of as part of the war on terror. That’s why the idiot chick running against Murtha used the talking points last week, and the goofball running in TX who was on Hardball yesterday kept saying “al qaeda’s in Iraq!”
That concept is so bassackwards even Tweety was able to take the goofball apart. BTW, Hackett was amazing. That man must run for office again asap.
Alka-selzer on the rocks, anyone?
You know, I always argued that Bush was more like Mussolini, a petty dictator who wasn’t that smart. But the more evil he seems to be, the less water that argument holds.
marshmallows
Oh well. At least they have the October Surprise.
Valley Girl @ 43
Bush is Pepto-Abysmal.
I flew out of Bradley the morning after the night before, and there was a fair amount of gumbling, and sceptical grumbling at that, amongst those going through security.
Feel free to try these talking points out on the Republicans in your life
LOL, this isn’t necessarily a good thing: other than the occasional client I don’t have any Republicans in my life (why do you think it’s called the People’s Republic of Berkeley?)
Oklahoma kiddo @ 30
This is more a gut hunch than anything I can prove, but I have a feeling that however good that is as a policy, it doesn’t resonate well politically — it feels too much like a “last line of defense” (in contrast to Dubya’s rhetoric about “fighting them over there” and “staying on the offense”). Which brings us to…
I’ll have a post at Needlenose tomorrow about this — it’s something I couldn’t quite fit into this post. It’s definitely a theme I feel should be part of the mix.
RevDeb @
17
I will never see you the same as I did.
LMAO.
Good one.
Punaise #49:
Drop by my ‘hood in TheOC sometime. We’ve got all you can handle. And a whole lot more.
It’s interesting that shouting “Terra! Terra! Boogity boogity!” is not as effective as it used to be. I think a fair number of people no longer see Bush as “strong leader”–I think they now see a guy who is scared all the time.
punaise- you need to get out more! Seriously, though, if you volunteer to phone bank or door knock for a contentious CA race, these kind of pointers from Swopa can come in very handy. I should have made copies of similar “tips” posts from FDL to have at the ready myself in CT.
RevDeb @ 17
who be packin’ teat?
Or job, then, is clearly to make sure it doesn’t. For a short primer, watch Paul Hackett’s response to that dork Van Taylor on Hardball. C&L has the clip.
Punaise @49 – you can also point it out to the Connecticut for Lieberman folk.
Valley Girl @ 54
al-Scooter @ 52
We try to make sure our kids know that the Bay Area is a liberal enclave.
Maybe this is wishful thinking, but I think W’s juvenile behavior at press conferences – you know where he stutters and stammers and then escalates into anger and preachy condescending huffing and puffing – is starting to wear on people. He treats all of us like we don’t get it. Like he’s the only one who knows how to speak on the issue. The truth is, his so-called war on terror, with its squirt gun on a forest fire approach to everything, doesn’t even come near what needs to be done. All of his premises and assumptions about what to do are flawed, and no amount of decidering and understandering change any of that. He’s a clown. And the whole world knows it.
meta @ 59
Yeah. What he needs is a lot more strategerying
I could be totally wrong about this but wouldn’t you think the factions in Iraq handed the Al Qaida folks their hats a long time ago? Along about Falluja time. I suspect any who did not take the hint with the hat were then handed their ass.
Bustednuckles @ 51
Have we met? Didn’t know you’d “seen” me.
I so hope the W–hiney tone is starting to Wear out the masses. Are you W–orn Out?
Anyone know if Paul Hackett is up for campaigning for Democrats across the country? Maybe we (toobzrootz) should take up a collection and take him on a cross-country tour.
yee-haw! just had a sharp earthquake! anybody else feel it?
If you liked the graphic for this post, click through.
punaise @ 64
No, but I’m in NY. Hope that’s the worst of it, California doggies.
Paul Hackett is in the lovely and unique position of being to say whatever he wants. He’s a vet, he’s been kicked around by the party, and he’s really smart, articulate and passionate. He should be everywhere!
meta @
59
The only thing I would add to this is: And most people get very resentful when they find out they’ve been played. The damn thing is that Bush was never real good at his particular brand of bullshit and people were starting to get sick of it during the summer of 2001 ….
IMO – the best thing to come out of the Bush press conf is the murmured question (and I feel sorry for the guy who asked it, you know he’s on a list now) interrupting the Bush Iraq9/11 rant, and asking what Iraq had to do with 9/11 and the Bush response.I think it would make a nice little quickie ad in and of itself –
First Bush repeating the question and then saying NOTHING.
Then a voice: Oh really? Is that why the Republican Rubber Stamp Congress is fighting an investigation of why we really went to war in Iraq?
Then tack on theBush: “fool me once, shame on you,[mindless gibberish thereafter]”
Then: Vote Republican – so we can invade more countries that had nothing to do with 9/11 and spend 10 million an hour fighting their civil wars for them too!
punaise @ 64
is everything ok?
thebewilderness @ 61
No, although there is a lot of intramural squabbling among the various insurgent factions, al-Qaida (or at least the guys who claim to be al-Qaida affiliated) are still in the mix.
If the other groups succeeded enough not to need them any more, though, yes, the al-Qaida faction would get squashed like a bug. Their main role seems to be supplying money, and cannon fodder in the form of suicide bombers.
CNN.com is bleating about “behavior of concern” on a Northwest flight that was returned to Amsterdam. It’s getting to the point where we will all have to be sedated and stacked like firewood to fly anywhere.
Paul Hacket is in the unique position of being able to say exactly what he wants. He’s a vet, he’s been kicked around by the party, and he’s passionate, articulate, and very smart. He should be everywhere!
Connecticut for Lieberman- remember, C comes before L, so it’s higher on the ballot.
punaise – no! Any info?
it was small but sharp:
usually don’t feel the micro-quakes, but this one was distict.
punaise @ 64
It was only 2.7 on the Richter scale, but the epicenter appears to have been directly beneath punaise’s backside.
I’m in downtown SF, and nobody here felt anything.
C before D. Please tell me there is a drawing for ballot placement.
punaise- please report again from the faultlines.
Twisted Martini @ 71
That doesn’t really sound so bad.
The thing is, most people see that the war isn’t going well.
If they DO associate the war on terror with the Iraq War, they feel bad about the war on terror. No?
Bushco has turned into the ‘Sofa King’’s.
They are ‘Sofa King’ afraid of the upcoming elections.
They are ‘Sofa King’ afraid of impeachment.
They are ‘Sofa King’ of oversight.
They are ‘Sofa King” their base is running away.
And they are ‘Sofa King’ afraid of US!
bg- actually that sounds more sensible- but that’s the way I remember the Joe party. Need a CT expert to say which.
hey punaise
We don’t get quakes here in Florida. We’re basically just a big, yokel-filled sandbar. We get the other thing. Hurricanes.
Swopa @ 76
no kidding – it felt like a 3.5 at least. Nothing to see, folks; sorry for the interruption. The tectonic plates are just demonstrating behavior of concern.
Swopa — excellent post and very thought provoking.
On tonight’s pundit shows (CNN, MSNBC), these poll numbers were used to warn of trouble for the Repubs, just as you note. However, other numbers from the same polls showed that Bush’s ratings for handling terror shot way up compared to prior months, and this was attributed to the recent “success” of the British in foiling the airline plots. The “analysts” opined that these numbers are volatile, and as things calm down, the same numbers gradually fall off, only to shoot up again with the next incident.
So what Rove just got, IMO, was a strong confirmation that Bush can manipulate his positive issue — handling terror — simply by staging a successful arrest of plotters. How easy is that?
To counter this, Dems need to create in the public mind that each time an incident occurs, it is a sign of failure, and hence a reason for Bush numbers to fall further, rather than go up.
This suggests the Dems need to link all of your themes, that is, to convince the public that the British airline and other plots are not signs of success, they are in fact clear signs that (1)terror incidents are likely to increase and become more varied and sophisticated, because (2) emerging/potential terrorists all over the world are increasingly angry at the US and committed to striking us, because (3) we (or our friend Israel) have been dropping US-made bombs on Muslims in four countries — Lebanon, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq) and are occupying 3 of those nations (so far) and threatening others while (4) Bush is describing the resistance in those countires as “terrorists” while (5) being indifferent to killing innocent civilians just because they’re near so-called terrorists.
Why would we expect these policies to do anything other than enrage and create a whole new generation of people willing to hijack US planes and blow them up? How can that possibly make us safer? And what makes anyone think that adding more troops to Baghdad, or for that matter, more security at our borders and ports, could possible stop really angry people from killing us right here, never mind the ME? It’s the policies that are making us less safe.
The other theme, which came out a week ago in the George Will column, was the notion that Kerry was right about viewing this as international police work, and not primarily military. The UK story shows that. So having 130,000 US troops tied down in but occupying Iraq is problematic because (1) they are probably encouraging more terrorists, but not really fighting them and (2) becoming a huge distraction because we now have to worry about the safety of those troops in a hostile and rapidly deteriorating region even though they are not really part of the solution to terrorist threats — international police work is.
Bottom line, the Bush policies across the board are making the terror problem worse, and the “solutions” he clings to are part of the problem. And every time there’s an incident, it shows the policy is failing, even when we “catch” someone.
Amanpour’s special on bin Laden just starting on CNN.
“it felt like a 3.5 at least”- ah, CAians are so finely attuned to the Richter Scale!
Yikes, punaise! Yokay?
tommy yum says:
August 23rd, 2006 at 5:33 pm *
“Oh well. At least they have the October Surprise.”
NYT did an interesting polling chart today. Senate’s going to be right down to the wire in Nov:– for a 50/50 split (with VP Torquemada as tiebreaker), we appear to need the following scenario –
*38 safe Dem seats sans CT stay safe
*CT sends Liebertraitor to the woodshed
*7 seats leaning Dem go to the Dems
*we get two tossup states (MT and MO), both of which are now polling Dems in the lead
*RI ditches Chafee
*OH ditches Dewine
=50 seats
This is going to be fun fun fun
Indiana hasn’t had a decent earthquake since 1811 … about every five years there’s a minor rumble but that’s it. Thank heavens for living on the center of the North American Plate !
without comment:
RevDeb @ 62
I apologise for being a smart a** RevDeb.
VG, I’ve been wondering whether you’re still in touch with Bat and how he’s doing with his campaign. Any news?
HI, BAT, if you’re here!
tommy yum, do you track “Had Enough?” I think we are playing daily or more here.
lotus @ 87
’snuthin. not even close to a 707…but thanks for asking
Mary @ 69—that would be a wonderful ad!
Swopa @ 77
was it something you said?
Busted
no apologies necessary. Just trying to “humanize” the clergy. Once in a while we need to make jokes too! And we are all more human than otherwise.
glad you liked the joke.
-ck- @ 28
any seismic implications to this New Madrid candidate?
Because I assume that Democratic decision makers read this blog, and because I’m a generous guy, I will now give the Democratic Party its slogan for ‘06, which knocks Bushie’s Iraqi Adventure, bolsters the Dems security credentials, and will appeal to the inner jingoism of the “Reagan Democrat” crowd. And here it is:
“Protect America First!”
You don’t have to pay me, you don’t have to thank me. Just get this gang of thieves and war criminals out of office and into the dock where they belong.
I lived in Claremont, CA for a year, but the only quake I ever felt was in western KS. It felt like someone next door tipped over the fridge. Tornadoes, now, that’s a whole different matter.
What’s this “earthquake” thingy of which you speak? Are you saying the actual earth moves? That sounds quite odd.
lotus- no, I haven’t checked in with Bat lately- but I should. He was hoping to be the party candidate, last I knew.
Madrid, best chance ever to unseat cry-booby Heather in NM. It’ll rock us here big time, seat held by Rs from the get-go. Like a big Richter.
Mary – absolutely right about Bush and that question at the press conference. I just saw it on video and I thought it was wild that the guy just shouted it out like that in the middle of Bush’s bloviating blah blah. And the fact that Bush took the bait is also just astonishing. His hurly burly response shows how close he is to freaking out. We must thank our lucky stars that all that was caught on tape. It should definitely be used in our campaign this year.
PBS show about the McCarthy blacklist going on now.
Well, if/when you touch base with him, VG, please pass along my best.
lotus, I will, and say that folks here were asking about him.
Great post Swopa.
But the biggest terrorist attack happened under Bush’s watch and obviously his admin. failed to protect us from that attack. It has been a mystery to me why the democrats didn’t pin this on Bush and allowed him to get away with the collosal failure. I think we should hammer this point home.
‘Hey Rockey, watch me pull a photo op out of my hat…!’
‘AGAIN?‘
;>)
Hey just checkin’ in. My mommy is here this week and we are being good little tourists.
Raghu @ 108
I’ve wondered that same thing. I’ve used that a couple of times on various Republicans–typically interrupting some sort of anti-Clinton rant–and it leaves ‘em speechless and sputtering.
darkblack- omg- how do you do it? And OT, but I am curious to know if “darkblack” is your day job, or if not…??
Here’s a cheerful little OT.
Something I’ve seen coming.
THANKS heckovajob!
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) – The United States is headed for a recession that will be “much nastier, deeper and more protracted” than the 2001 recession, says Nouriel Roubini, president of Roubini Global Economics.
snip
http://rawstory.com/showoutart…..mp;symbol=
bg @
95
Not me, bg, but somebody will. No doubt Howie is in touch with the program director.
I’m thrilled. If you would be so kind, call the station sometime and express your approval.
AmericaBlog:
Valley Girl @ 113
In real life, a mild mannered grouping of pixels for a daily viewscreen, VG.
;>)
Raghu (and Cleter)- yes, a very good point. 9/11 produced shock and awe was so emotionally charged that people sort of lost the thread, if you see what I mean. I will def. use that one!
hi egregious’ mom – you must be so proud of your little girl, the work she does, the babies she saves!
punaise has clearly shown us that he’s at fault.
kinda OT, newsweek article has the nerve to suggest that the king might want to put off his vacation…
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14…../newsweek/
I wouldn’t leave my small job, during difficult times and I am sure most American’s wouldn’t… Heck, I have a hard enough time just leaving for the day…
darkblack @ 117
Huh??? Could you elaborate?
egregious @ 111
How wonderful!
Does she live far away?
tommy yum @ 116
Obviously I have missed something here too– tell me, please.
Bustednuckles@113
Yes, and the recession will no doubt be blamed on the new Democratic majority. And the Depression of Ought-Nine will no doubt be blamed on poor President Feingold, and not the crazy 2001-2008 spending of President Tipsy McStagger.
Digby has another good one:
Read the rest. I think it fits with what swopa started here.
RevDeb @ 98
Just curious, what denomination are you?
shorter version of my comment in moderation: over at AmericaBlog.com Aravosis says
link
Valley Girl @ 124
“Had Enough” was put into rotation in Albuquerque, VG!
Great post Swopa,
I always try to devour all deconstruction of Republican talking points because, well, we need all the help we can get since they are so very good at it. One thing that I would add is the question of who is winning the war on terror. Who is recruiting more soldiers?
Our recruitment levels are easily trackable, but terrorists, not so much. Still, we are making a lot more enemies in the ME than friends. I use this comment a lot when talking to my winger friends. Who is winning? Who is recruiting more? Hope this helps.
I have frequently said to friends and family that President Bush was a ‘gas-bag’, figuratively speaking. I was wrong. Turns out this man really is a gas-bag. Organically speaking. Excuuuse me. I’m being gross. My mama taught me better. But I’m not the president and most powerful person in the world. Grandma always told me, “kiddo, small things, amuse small minds”.
in the local alternative weekly, Nuvo, I saw an ad for the ACLU listing Bush horrors with the large slogan HAD ENOUGH?
Twisted,
I try to keep that side out of these threads. Other than trying to humanize religion and neutralize some of the antipathy towards it that I sometimes find in these threads, I want to keep “my” church out of it.
But thanks for asking.
Does this make sense?
Twisted @ 9: No self-respecting Repug womman would ever ever use Aquanet.
punaise — almost all comments auto-trapped into moderation are sprung promptly — please hit F5 to reload your page …
Valley Girl @ 122
Ah, I see that a direct answer is desired.
;>)
To the first question, the power of absurdist parody is my manifestation and guide.
To the second…Perhaps, but only my taxman knows for sure.
:)
tommy yum- I’ve been out of the loop. A while back Howie was hinting about some music thingy on one of the ActBlue threads- is this related? Really, I am clueless here…
*ilson46201 @ 135
’twasn’t a complaint, I knew it would come through sooner rather than later.
BTW- some comments this afternoon have turned up in automod for reasons that I can’t figure out… I mean, no obvious reason they ended up there…weird.
Thank you, Swopa. My problem is that I get tongue-tied, because there is so MUCH that’s wrong. These are strong, succinct arguments and will be very helpful.
karen allen @ 134
no self-respecting woman has any excuse being a Rethug
punaise — I see your extended comment/link to americablog at #117. thanks.
Margot @ 107
McCarthyism is the milk on which Bush, Cheney, Rove, Rice and Lieberman sup (I think). If I’m against the Iraq War, I’m unpatriotic. Or does that make me a Communist?
Karl’s got a big problem with trying to conflate Iraq (polling-wise, a GOP boat anchor) with the GWOT. The former’s relationship to the latter is sui generis, as Clusterfuck so ineloquently revealed recently: Iraq had nothing to do with muslim extremism until we invaded and engendered a California-sized training camp. So now, we have to “stay the course” because Iraq is “central” to the GWOT.
They are still, albeit with decreasing success, trying to conflate Iraq with terrorism. We need to point out at every opportunity that our invasion and occupation is promoting regional (and inexorably international) terrorism.
no worries Rev. Nice to know though that the haters haven’t totally co-opted religion and spirituality.
karen allen @ 133
LOL
if a woman was self-respecting, she wouldn’t be a Republican in the first place …
Oklahoma kiddo @ 30
O.K.:
Did you see Harold Ford’s ad as shown on Hardball tonight? It’s very visual, he’s on an airliner, has him pounding the 9/11 commission report, and talks very clearly and forcefully about port security and airport security.
Very effective.
Hope if he’s elected he’s that decisive a Senator.
VG,
Consider yourself looped.
Twisted Martini @ 144
Far from it. There’s lots of us libruls out there fighting the good fight for peace and justice. More of them hang out at Street Prophets or Talk2Action. I prefer hanging out here rather than preaching to or only being in dialogue with the choir.
RevDeb @ 149
Or to your “other choir”, lol.
in-choir-ing minds need to know…
from Americablog, saw this enough is enough…
“what happened to North Korea, Katrina, the Broklyn Bridge, NYC subway, Miami, impossible to detonate liquid explosives, emboldened al Qaeda due to Lamont, flowers in the street, Afghanistan and the Taliban, Social security, minimum wage, health care, immigration in dune buggys, fighting them there so we don’t have to fight them there, yellow cake and aluminum tubes, water on the board, Generals turning tail, neo cons talking about Iran, unemployment, estate taxes, trickle down BS, the constitution as toilet paper, buckshot in the face, Rovian shite, left-wing media bias, 3,000 equaled out in the numbers, oil more valuable than blood….ibg brother says all is well and so does FOX news, so believe it, live it and die by it. Threat level is red, be scared and think of nothing else, trust the decider.
eponymouse | 08.23.06 – 5:43 pm | # “
. . .little dog . . @147
IIRC he’s a DLC’er of the first order. Don’t trust him at all from what little I know. BUT we want Tenn. in the D. column, so that’s what we have to work with.
If anyone else has more info on Ford, chime in.
Ford is a proud Blue Dog Democrat – a conservative
Every time I hear Bush say that Iraq is the “central front in the war on terror” (CFITWOT), I want to throw something at whatever object his voice is emananting from. IF it is the CFITWOT – and by all accounts it is not – it could only be that because Bush created it.
Tweety hammered Howard Dean pretty hard tonight on what the difference is between bringing the troops home now and bringing them home by the end of 2007. He kept asking Dean, “Well, if we shouldn’t be there at all, why do we want to stay another 6 months or a year?” Dean did his best to talk over Tweety and tell him that you can’t physically bring 140,000 troops and all the equipment home immediately, and tried to stress that the pullback had to be sensible and thoughtful – two concepts that have ben absent from the Bush “plan.”
Anyway, when the British plot was unveiled, I knew in my heart of hearts that that news was going to be a double-edged sword for Bush. It might give him a bump – briefly – but there would be Americans in airports all over the country, who would have plenty of time to think about how little has been done to protect us here at home – and that that failure can be laid right at the door of the Oval Office and at the feet of the rubber-stamp GOP Congress.
I would love to see an ad (maybe a “Boy Who Cried Wolf” theme) that showed Bush’s poll numbers alongside a timeline of terrorist alerts, so that people could see how they are being manipulated by fear for nothing more than a political agenda, and that all the alerts in the world are doing even one thing to keep them safer. In fact, that they generally turn out to be nothing but smoke and mirrors, people are learning to tune them out.
If the GOP wants to talk terror, I say, great, wonderful, let’s talk. Looking at what a great job Paul Hackett did on Van Taylor last night, it isn’t going to be hard to expose the emptiness of their talking points.
darkblack @ 134
http://www.vintagelibrary.com/…..Shadow.htm
tommy yum @ 150
Thanks much!!! I saw cryptic references to this on the Kinsell thread, and tried to figure out via DWT and other means what was going on, but couldn’t figure it out. I thought you might have something to do with this. Has this been publicised on FDL and I have totally missed it? I could have…
about the British terrorist plot — why isnt Bush fighting them in London so we dont have to fight them on the streets of Indianapolis? Bomb Old Ben! Nuke the Queen! Pulverize Paliament!
Swopa… post tomorrow in Needlenose. Will be lookin’ at it. Great post tonight here!
RevDeb @ 153
I think l’il dog was just complimenting the commercial?
MEPU’d–multiple EPU’d. Sheesh you go away for one day…
egregious @ 311
Twisted Martini at 144–I’m a
liberalprogressive who is a Christian who is working as a volunteer, full-time for peace and reconciliation with the former Soviet Union.I may be one war behind, grew up in the Cold War, but hope that my example might inspire others to work for reconciliation in the future. It is VERY hard work but someone does INDEED have to do it. And others have to encourage them to keep going and not to quit.
Volunteer now to work or to encourage. Both are critically important.
Anne,
Olbermann did a brilliant piece on the nexus of terror and politics. C&L has it (of course) from Aug. 15 I think. Laid it all out. He repeated it on the show last night.
Thanks, Swopa, from me & the kids here in…well, somewhere in Wyoming, I’m not quite sure.
Self-respecting women are of course progressives. And they don’t use hairspray. Thanks for the comments about Aquanet. Haven’t heard of that in a loong time.
Anne –
Last night, KO on Countdown redid and updated his history of “alerts” juxtaposed against the “bad news for bush” news that got stepped on.
Valley Girl @ 160
Howie brought it up on one of his Blue America posts here, IIRC, and I got lots of virtual love from the gang, but the single has only been recently “serviced” to radio. Don’t know how it’s going. I try not to think about it, or do only seldomly, because of that peculiar giddy nausea that comes with the territory.
Rickie’s publicist has some stuff cooking, and is pitching it to the big late-night network talk shows. No guarantee that anything will happen.
op99 @ 161
it was the last line “I hope if he’s elected he’s that decisive a Senator” that prompted my comment. And yes, the commercial looked very effective. No quibble with that.
Morris Sheppard @ 56
You know, everybody kept saying that Taylor kid was really a dope, or was stupid, or couldn’t make an argument, or whatever.
Setting aside the fact that you’d have to be stoopid to run as a doctrinaire Repugnant right now, I don’t think he’s necessarily dumb or unable to put together an argument.
I think his problem will be one we will see over and over this fall:
The Received Republican Orthodoxy is wrong, insupportable and ridiculous. Nobody will be able to make a good argument for that, and they will all be wilting and stammering in the onslaught of good debaters.
NSA shift supervisor — my previous remarks about wreaking havoc on London was hyperbole — political exaggeration for effect.
Aquanet is THE propellant of choice for spud guns. FYI.
One way to show that the Iraq war has nothing to do with terror protection is to explain what the war is really about. This war was planned long before 9/11 as a way to secure oil reserves, make profits from war reconstruction and defense contracts. Just this morning, Christy showed how this war creates a need for new helicopters, bombs, tanks etc. The American taxpayer will pay for that and the defense industry will roll in the dough, just as the war reconstruction industry counts their ill-begotten blessings and the oil industry makes record profits.
The people who are feeding at the trough of the Iraq war are directly tied to the neocons, the masterminds behind this failing enterprise.
Obviously, the thought of fighting terrorism couldn’t be farther from the minds of the neocons and the administration, as long as they have a cash cow in Iraq. “We’ll take care of Osama bin Laden when we are good and ready – don’t disturb us with such details!”
tommy – I just can’t tell you how much I love “Have You Had Enough?” Anything going on with iTunes? I’d love to pay to download it! Ricki’s voice is just so perfect, and the back-up is enough to get everyone out of their seats. Again, bravo.
egr—–”Volunteer now to work or to encourage. Both are critically important.”
That rather sums up my contribution to the civility thread, tho refraining from the quick flame and assigning more senior commenters to community building and comment monitoring are in there.
who’s going to explain the Aquanets to Senator Stevens?
Jane Hamsher @ 164
Home of Cheney. I got a ticket in that frickin’ state. If they don’t want you doing 90, they oughta put in a curve. Seriously though, it’s a gawgeous state with my absolute favorite 2 national parks, Grand Teton and Yellowstone.
RevDeb and scarecrow – thanks for the Olberman tip – I’ll check it out on C & L.
Here’s the Countdown link on the Nexus of Politics and Terror. It is brilliant.
Tommy- thanks- I was probably on vacation in Maine during the later post. I hope this gets some more FDL play, because I may not be the only one who missed the news.
punaise @ 174
(banging forehead on desk)
I’d give that a 10.
lotus, if you’re here, I left you a comment a couple of threads back, but it seems to have vanished into the mist…and your e-mail address is on my work computer.
meta @ 175
Bless your heart, meta!
We talked before this came out and were very clear that it was not-for-profit. There will probably be some ASCAP performance royalties for radio play, and we agreed to use that money to defray travel/lodging expenses if we do radio/tv/publicity stuff.
There must be a place to download the song; being kind of a Luddite I’m useless…sorry. If you go to DWT I bet Howie will help.
In college, some brilliant guys used to hold a lit match in front of a can of Aquanet as they sprayed it. They then went on to bigger things, such as trying to flame their farts with the a lit match. Ah, such male humor.
Bustednuckles @ 182
Me too. punaise, I love your way with words.
Chicago to Wyoming. Supertrucker!
OT – wow! I don’t believe it! ABC World News Tonight actually had a story about that Rockey in his Trailer from Louisiana visiting Shrub and then the reporter (sorta) laughed and pointed out that Rockey was not only a Republican but a politician too! (and Bush’s new best friend)… Somebody at ABC is pis*ed about Bush’s treatment of LA – their stories are usually so much more favorable…
punaise @ 177
Aquaman, backed by The Tubes.
op99,
…they oughta put in a curve. Now that busted me up.
tommy yum @ 188
“Winnebagos, we’re givin’ ‘em away!”
I think the Aquanets provide hot and cold running water, in case you get thirsty while waiting for the inter-nets to deliver your, well, internets.
LindyH – it’s more miss than hit I’m afraid….
Aquanet is also the preferred combustant for potato cannons (’cause it’s cheap).
egregious,
a while back when I could not get my (?)server to give me access to FDL, you mentioned you were in Russia and doing the Norwood. My parents lived across the street from his parents–I think he was already gone to college/med school when they were there. I ran into them one time after they moved to ABQ, when I was knocking on doors for some campaign or another.
tommy yum,
Believe me when I first heard the song on the radio (I had been sending the free download linky to every DJ over there) I was jumping up and down. KUNM FM streams if anyone wants to make a request. The DJs are totally down with net listeners. . .best time is afternoons or after 11 PM MDT, in case anyone out there wants to give some more cred to “Had Enough.”
Karen Allen,
Some call that technique the “blue dart”.
On a more sinister note, Drudge is red lettering a coming NYTimes piece alleging that Republicans and “senior administration officials” are upset that the intelligence agencies haven’t alarmed the American people enough with regards to the threat posed by Iran.
Bush and Cheney are gearing up to hit Iran, it is the exact same campaign as was Iraq.
God help this nation.
-GSD
RevDeb @ 155
Um, I was hitchhiking the info about Ford’s effective ad onto OK Kiddo’s suggestion that Dems need to use BushCo’s failure to secure us here in the campaign.
op99 @ 191
Potaytoes, pothohtoes, we call ‘em spud guns.
Oilfieldguy @ 188
I’m sure you’ve had plenty of experience with that in your chosen profession. The coppers also escorted me to the town office to pay the fine – nobody must pay up after they leave the state.
Bustednuckles @ 196
in retrospect, Dan Quayle wishes he’d thought of that line …
If anyone else has more info on Ford, chime in.
passing along this DKos diary today:
. . . and your little dog, too @ 195
agreed. All the good will that Bushco had following 9/11 has pretty much evaporated. We’re finally at a point when challenging the admin. should no longer be seen as being “unpatriotic” in fact it is really patriotic to do so. Ford’s ad was effective. I just wish he was more progressive, but then if he was, he probably wouldn’t stand a chance of getting elected in TN.
Did anyone post this already?
Lieberman’s lead over Lamont narrows
GSD #196:
Not a lot of engagement on this topic lately. Attacking Iran IMO would be a disaster for both countries, and it certainly would knock the current CW on the elections into a
cocked hatbomb crater. I guess most folks just want to wait and react.RevDeb @ 202
When we used to spend half our time in Northeast Tennessee, we had two Dem Senators: Sasser and Gore. I didn’t have much of a feel for Sasser, but Gore was a damned good senator.
I think the right candidate could do it again. Ford is a good candidate in the sense of running a good campaign, but I’d much rather have a more progressive prospect there.
egregious @ 162
Bless you Eg.
op99 @ 199
At this time, driving is my livelyhood, so I protect my driving record jealously. Since I haul mostly oversized/overweight loads, I tend to drive under the speed limit, due to the heat on the tires. Empty or legal loads, I set my cruise at 3-4 mph over the speed limit and crank up the lefty talk station on my satelite radio, the CB plays background chatter for nearby alerts.
I have no moving violations whatsoever. Many overweight/permit violations though, but that does not count against me. A lot of big trucks drive very fast. I’m not one of them, even though my truck will go over 120 mph, just not with me in it. If I am going to go that fast, there had better be a stewardess on board.
Jane Hamsher @ 166
It’s been awhile, but the Flying J truckstop in Rawlins WY used to have good food, and …
al-Scooter @ 204
Has there been any polling on what the American people want in the way of attacking Iran or are they afraid to find out what we think?
Seems like an obvious subject for a poll.
With all due respect to Pachachutec’s ground-breaking (and wingnut-infuriating) work in debunking the War on Terror™ meme, I think there’s an opportunity here for Democrats to turn it to their advantage.
Pach’s work was TOTALLY groundbreaking, insisting there was NO WAR ON TERROR. In the interest of historical accuracy, the idea of trademarking the War on Terror appeared earlier, on May 18, in the first (and still #1) Spotlight Review of Glenn’s book.
If I would guess at the Spotlight author’s motivation I might say
he orshe at least suspected there was no WOT… :). . . and your little dog, too @ 197
RevDeb and…and your little dog, too…
Speaking just for me:
Thanks to both you guys! Good points.
punaise @ 189
Hey Pun, what do you want from life?
1. Iraq: Bush lied us into a war for his own selfish reasons. He’s sent our youth there, but for his own children, to die in the sands of Iraq. And he continues to lie to us about the progress of things there. Our fine soldiers won the war back in April, 2003. Bush has us in a never-ending occupation which only kills more of our soldiers.
2. Al Queda: it has long been accepted US Military doctrine to take out enemy leadership. In WWII we went after what was called “Headquarters Units”. Oveer the past several decades we use the phrase “command and control”. Its all the same.
Bush failed to follow standard military doctrine when he refused to send in massive troop numbers when we had Bin Laden cornered. Bush continued to fail in standard military doctrine when he pulled out the Helos and the Special Forces teams to prepare for Iraq. The leading terrorist in the world remains alive…all due to Bush. We are not safer.
3. Our safety: We are fighting few, if any al queda in Iraq. Nor is fighting them “over there” preventing them from coming here. Does Bush think that one morn, the folks along the east coast will arise at dawn, look out their bay window upon the Atlantic, and see….Landing Craft Approaching! Al Queda landing craft, with Bin Laden pacing the Bridge of the al queda battleship out on the horizon??? Of course that won’t happen.
When al queda comes, they’ll come thru our porous entry areas….all left unprotected by Bush.
All of these failures are Bush, and his alone. We rae not safer, and we’re also more hated and despised in the international community than ever before. All on Bush’s watch.
***how any of the above can be made into catchy slogans/sound bites is above my pay grade!
Ghostman
Jane Hamsher @ 166
I consider it my duty as a friend to do anything that gets you out of Wyoming faster…
May the road rise up to meet you.
May the wind always be at your back.
May the sun shine warm upon your face,
and rains fall soft upon your fields.
And until we meet again,
May God hold you in the palm of His hand
a fine Irish blessing.
An alternate ending, if I may.
And may you be in heaven for two days before the Devil knows your’e dead!
Jane~
Being a native Wyomingite now living in Wisconsin …. is the wind still blowing?
NYTimes
WASHINGTON, Aug. 23 — Some senior Bush administration officials and top Republican lawmakers are voicing anger that American spy agencies have not issued more ominous warnings about the threats that they say Iran presents to the United States.
Some policy makers have accused intelligence agencies of playing down Iran’s role in Hezbollah’s recent attacks against Israel and overestimating the time it would take for Iran to build a nuclear weapon.
The complaints, expressed privately in recent weeks, surfaced in a Congressional report about Iran released Wednesday. They echo the tensions that divided the administration and the Central Intelligence Agency during the prelude to the war in Iraq.
The criticisms reflect the views of some officials inside the White House and the Pentagon who advocated going to war with Iraq and now are pressing for confronting Iran directly over its nuclear program and ties to terrorism, say officials with knowledge of the debate.
Twisted Martini @ 210
a baby’s arm, holding an apple
Jane,
wave to the General as you sail through Tremonton, UT.
Been reading all day. It was so good that I had nothing to add. Great reading it was.
As to Wyoming, it is a very beautiful state — I guess. The only part of it I saw was on a short cut I took from the Black Hills going to Montana. I cut through the Northeast part. Nothing but black dirt, roads without signs or yellow lines of any sort, and straight as an arrow. And oil wells, every 1/4 mile or so – pumping their little black hearts out. The only thing I saw moving was the tanker trucks going at the speed of light down that road.
And it rained. And I became intimately aware of what the term “gully washer” means. All that black shale pushes the water down to the road which acts as a funnel. All flowing down the road in my direction. It is a good thing I had a large old station wagon or I and my three scared-to-death kids in the backseat would be plastered against one of those oilwells. Would have found us eventually I ’spose.
Sorry for the interruption.
ghostman, 212:
How about “Bush lied, thousands died.”
Swopa, great idea. I think I’d try to make another point about “staying the course”, which is that Bush has said that’s what he’s going to do. He’s not going to leave Iraq while he’s President, and the Republicans aren’t inclined to change his mind for him. If you like the way things are now, vote Republican and you’ll get two more years of it.
As for homeland security, I’ve always felt that the best way to insure that we have it, besides better anti-terrorism law enforcement, is to make our emergency services more effective. Not only does it make our responses to terrorism more effective, but in most cases that same improvement can make them better at handling other emergencies, as well. Why not kill two birds with one stone? I don’t know if there’s any way to sell that to people, but I can’t be the only one who likes the idea of making investments that make us safer generally.
*ilson46201 @ 215
Fuck these people. I swear to god. Fuck ‘em.
The first concert I ever saw was the Tubes at Radio City Music Hall. Took the train in, had a few beers at Beefsteak Charlies, and saw Fee dress in drag. Good times!
a baby’s arm, holding an apple
Is that an ice cream koan?
egregious @ 208
Ahem. April 13, 2004.
I may have used it before then, but that was the earliest I could find in a quick search. And for all I know, someone beat me to the punch.
What a fine post!
The War in Iraq never had anything to do with Terrorism or 911. Thus the absurd Bush connections. They are determined to make this fallacious connection every time they talk. They also equate opposing the War in Iraq with being “soft on Terrorism,” or “Cutting and Running,” or not being patriotic, or not supporting the troops.
I also appreciate the reporter who stopped it in its tracks at the press conference, but we have to do more. Those of us who keep up know all of this, but many Americans are still caught up in the post-911 patriotism thing and just don’t know how false the connection is. We see it as simply a fact, but we’re still barely recovering from being an informed minority. As we approach the mid-term elections, I think we [whoever we are] need to hammer this point home in every post, in every speech, in every breath.
It’s the Achilles Heel of the Bush Administration, and it’s finally out in the open. They can’t hide it anymore.
Thanks for such a clear articulation of this malignant “spin”…
bg @ 195
Bowing, scraping, honoring. Norwood’s procedure has already saved 20,000 lives and will save hundreds of thousands in the future. THOSE were good parents. Concept: growing the next generation of people who will do amazing things.
Twisted Martini @ 222
I, too am *cough middle aged cough* and can’t think of the Tubes without remembering their appearance on Second City TV’s Fishing Musician, doing “Sushi Sushi,” IIRC. Loved John Candy.
op99 – OT from the “civility” thread:
Thanks for that link on Linc! and Julie , and yes, you’re right it was “Pete”. I probably mixed up the actor’s real name with the character. I loved the Mod Squad. Believe it or not, as the confused – but ever hip – 9-year old I was, I actually thought the guy who played Linc was really Sly Stone.
And when you’re done laughing! I have to say, I have very fond memories of camping in the Tetons about ten years ago. But I sure wouldn’t want Jane to be doing 90 mph with the three curly Aces in the cab through that part of the world after dark. Of course, she could likely charm her way out of any ticket.
tommy yum @ 223
nahhh, just a lyric from a Tubes song
What do you want from life?
Well, you can’t have that, but if you’re an American citizen you are entitled to:
a heated kidney shaped pool,
a microwave oven–don’t watch the food cook,
a Dyna-Gym–I’ll personally demonstrate it in the privacy of your own home,
a king-size Titanic unsinkable Molly Brown waterbed with polybendum,
a foolproof plan and an airtight alibi,
real simulated Indian jewelry,
a Gucci shoetree,
a year’s supply of antibiotics,
a personally autographed picture of Randy Mantooth
and Bob Dylan’s new unlisted phone number,
a beautifully restored 3rd Reich swizzle stick,
Rosemary’s baby,
a dream date in kneepads with Paul Williams,
a new Matador, a new mastodon,
a Maverick, a Mustang, a Montego,
a Merc Montclair, a Mark IV, a meteor,
a Mercedes, an MG, or a Malibu,
a Mort Moriarty, a Maserati, a Mac truck,
a Mazda, a new Monza, or a moped,
a Winnebago–Hell, a herd of Winnebago’s we’re giving ‘em away,
or how about a McCulloch chainsaw,
a Las Vegas wedding,
a Mexican divorce,
a solid gold Kama Sutra coffee pot,
or a baby’s arm holding an apple?
tommy yum @ 220
Fuck these people. I swear to god. Fuck ‘em.
I have to say, I disagree with you. I would say:
Fuck these people. I swear to God. Fuck ‘em.
GrandmaJ @ 219
Everytime I’ve been thru WY it’s snowed or hailed.
And the last time I was in Montana was when I went with my friend to the annual horse auction in Miles City
What an agreeable disagreement, egregious!
I swear to Universe/Kali/Cthulu/Flying Spaghetti Monster too. Buddha’s named withheld upon request.
Y’know, bush’s press conference yesterday showed me a bush who exhibitted the personna of someone arguing with HIMSELF(!), a sign of a person becoming unhinged. And he sure didn’t seem convinced of his arguments.
glenn beck today surmised that perhaps the best way to deal with Iran is to “stay the course” in Iraq, but qualified that statement with, “…but I’m not sure that it will work.” During all of this salivating he gave off the personna of confusion, of someone not at all as assured of his opinion now as he was a short time ago.
Are the above examples of uncertainty yet another sign of change in the blowin’ wind?
little dog #208:
I haven’t seen any recent polling data on Iran. A few months back I remember that views were split roughly along the same lines as for the Iraq war.
Of course, the make-our-own-reality crowd doesn’t care what we think now, because they’re confident that we’ll fall into line as soon as their brilliance is manifested post-attack. I couldn’t disagree more with that outcome being even remotely likely, but they don’t care.
The effect on the election here (if the attack is timed for an October surprise scenario) could be interesting, as the result could help the GOP or lead to even more polarization and war-weariness that would hurt them.
Then there are next-order effects such as potential retaliatory terrorist attcks here, Iran closing the Straits of Hormuz and driving fuel prices straight up, etc. I really don’t know how the electorate would react, because (again), I don’t think very many people have internalized the possibilities.
Good luck to us all!
Al Scooter,
I have begun to get the feeling that as with Iraq, as the talk began and as people said, “that’ll never happen”….it is happening again.
(Snip)
WASHINGTON, Aug. 23 — Some senior Bush administration officials and top Republican lawmakers are voicing anger that American spy agencies have not issued more ominous warnings about the threats that they say Iran presents to the United States.
(Snip)
“When the intelligence community says Iran is 5 to 10 years away from a nuclear weapon, I ask: ‘If North Korea were to ship them a nuke tomorrow, how close would they be then?” said Newt Gingrich, the former Republican speaker of the House of Representatives.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08…..nted=print
(Snip)
“A senior U.S. military spokesman says Iranian forces have infiltrated Iraq to provide training, money and equipment to Shi’ite extremists and fuel their insurgency. The officer went farther than others have in detailing Iran’s alleged role in Iraq’s violence.”
Shorter anonymous source=Iranians are killing Americans.
http://www.voanews.com/english…..-voa58.cfm
The drumbeat was kept up today on Glenn Beck with an “analyst” who appeared to actually be a Chalabi type who was Syrian stating that Iraq was intent on taking over the region.
Dildo Bill O’Reilly has been pushing the meme: “This is 1938 all over again”……
They are pushing and pushing and pushing.
-GSD
‘Somewhere in Wyoming’
Take your time Jane. Still aways out from Portland yet.Then another three hours home.
I know you can’t wait to get home.Iv’e got money say’s them poodles are going to hit the beach running.
You’re in my prayers.
Curves in WY? Oh yes.
I will NEVER forget driving over the Big Horn mtns at night with no moonlight. ALL curves and scary as hell. I had a Mel Torme tape in the tape deck and my hands were so glued to the steering wheel that it played over and over until we got to the bottom. Won’t do that again at night. Hope I don’t have to.
I’ve been to Wyoming many times. I really like that state, even at its worst. We were moving a rig from up by Wamsutter, and after you left the blacktop road, you were still 14 hours from location.
You are right, Mel Torme IS scary as hell.
What do you all make of (politically) Holy Joe’s saying that we’re in the middle of WWIII when he was on the radio with Glenn Beck?
Or did this already get discussed to flinders?
Note in that quote from VOA about the Iranians fueling the Shiite insurgency. OK, so now there is a Shiite insurgency too.
-GSD
You’d think by now that the NYT would have gotten beyond using the “Some say” straw men. But then again, they have not exactly been quick on the learning curve.
Bobby St. Chomsky @ 233
It’s a wind all right, Bobby. The cognitive dissonance is so loud in their heads that every time they open their mouths the white noise sounds like a fucking tornado. Think of the end of Beatles’ “I Want You/She’s So Heavy.”
As to Bush’s other “wind” issues, I remember somewhere (perhaps medieval passion play?) the Devil’s money quote:
I bequeath thee farts.
Twisted Martini @ 237
she was Tormented
Jane -
If you’re driving on I-80 past Park City, Utah, I would love to buy you a cup of coffee and tell you about our planned protests next week when Bush, Rice and Rummy come to town and speak to the Foreign Legion Convention.
rick at wildspiritsparkcity dot com
To paraphrase Aliens, “Hey asshole conservatives- what are you going to attack Iran with, harsh language?”
Twisted Martini @ 238
Mel Torment, the velvet frog.
punaise @ 242
The only torment is that whenever I hear Mel now, I think of that damned mountain road.
Little Dog,
It is part of a political strategy.
Generic question:
Who do you want leading America during World War III?
The bold, brave, decisive “bring ‘em on” Republicans?
Or the pathetic, weak, Pelosi liberals and the French, gay John Kerry Defeat-ocrats?
Joe Lieberman is a Republican tool.
-GSD
tommy yum @ 244
I think he croaked.
little dog and GSD, my second post will appear as #237 soon. Not that it’s all that, but I want you to know that I appreciate the mini-thread.
G’night all, and don’t forget to tip your waitresses!
shoephone @ 226
I had to look it up too, but I knew it wasn’t “Mike.” When I was a lot younger ‘n cuter, with standard hippy hair like Julie, people used to tell me I looked like Peggy Lipton – I wish. (Maybe they were just trying to get laid, lol.)
Bustednuckles @ 249
My mom said he was a prince of a guy. Wouldn’t kiss him, though.
GSD @ 249
But he’s got to get re-elected in by God Connecticut!
Doesn’t that WWIII talk sound crazy as hell? I mean, just Bug F**king Nuts?
Or do I just need some sleep?
RevDeb,
I have a generic term for such roads that have one constantly cranking on the steering wheel.
Blistertitty highway.
Sounds sorta like the title of a country song, huh.
Twisted Martini @ 243
Now we’re in some pretty shit – game over, man.
g’night, ladies.
Swopa, thanks for a great post.
GSD @
244
The vibe this time feels completely different to me that Iraq/2002-03. I live in what’s supposedly the “Reddest County in America”, but except for certified wingnuts noboy I know wants to talk about Iran. Friends and acquaintences of all persuasions either look at the tops of their shoes or quickly change the subject. No “Hooah!” at all.
Oilfieldguy @ 258
Sounds like a Bluegrass Band.
If you want Blistertitty Highway drive from Stanley, Idaho to Boise on Idaho State Highway 21.
Oilfieldguy @ 258
Sounds like a Ray Stevens song
OFG
Have you driven that road over the Big Horns? Daytime isn’t too bad, I’ve done it both day and night. But night time with the trucks on a 2 lane hugging the inside curve whenever possible is one that gets the adrenaline pumping.
Swopa, thanks for the piece. We need more snappy three-word rejoinders to win what has become a battle of words.
Bonus points for Whiplash the cowboy monkey!
Yeah, me 2.
g’night .I’m gonna have a conversation with my old friend Jack.
Then I have some new neighbors to torment.
BWAAAhaaaahaaa.
Little Dog,
It is the only card they have left in their deck to play. Look at how f-ed up Bush and Rove must be to try to highlight the Katrina debacle.
They use some white, male Republican operative to sing the praises of Bush….Good God, they have lost their minds. They have been so used to smelling each others farts that they don’t realize the rest of the world can smell the stink that they have rwon accustomed to.
-GSD
I think I’ll check out as well. Anything of mine beyond a couple of lines gets sent to the Penalty Box, so I’ll take the hint. “Nite, all!
op99 @ 253 – Maybe you really looked like her? Then again, I won’t repeat here some of the lines men have used on me to get lucky.
For the recored (no pun intended) Mel Torme was a very talented songwriter with an excellent understanding of harmony. “Born to Blue”, case in point.
GSD @ 267
Now that’s some vivid writing!
shooogarp @ 262
The worste roads I have been on have no names. Roads you wouldn’t take a thick legged mule down. Curves so sharp I thought I was going to run over my own mudflaps. I will have to look up SH 21 in Idaho to see if I’ve ever been down that way.
shoephone,
“Born to be Blue” was great. Mel was one of the few greats who almost never hit a bad note. I was lucky to see him live once.
GSD, the whole Rockey BS had such low production values! It seemed like a high school play without the music.
OFG
Just looked on a map. It was rte 14 between Sheridan and Greybull. I doubt that it has changed over the years.
No RevDeb,
Haven’t had the pleasure. I thought the 4 hours to go sixty miles back into the canyons by Ouray Utah was excessive, until I got to Gilbert, WV and it took six hours to go 9 miles. Pretty extreme stuff.
RevDeb, I just looked it up too. Ouch!
Time for TDS and time to close the laptop.
G’night all.
punaise @ 193
Perhaps, the community doesn’t fully appreciate your talent :). I’ve been around for a while and have gotten several much needed laughs…but then, I’m one of those perverts who likes puns.
G’nite all.
Oilfieldguy @ 207
My brother who used to be a cab driver is still a maddeningly slow and safe driver, for that very (no longer necessary) reason. On the one hand, I want to get out and run, but on the other hand, I feel perfectly secure in dozing off.
‘Nite OFG
My comments on Death by Mascara
Re latest *cough* emergency requiring that women not fly with cosmetics:
Lipstick was quickly declared legit here after hundreds of angry phone calls by women of power–yet is still VERY DANGEROUS in Britain. Mascara, however, is apparently one of the scariest substances in the universe.
Death by mascara: any physicists out there want to explain to po little me how that’s possible? Am I gonna threaten anyone with the little wand? Lure them to their doom with my lush lashes?
It’s been known to happen, she says, batting her eyelashes :)
Osama: safe enough we disband the group looking for him.
Mascara: the new enemy.
I rest my case, and apparently I also rest my cosmetics case…
http://mcegregious.blogspot.co…..scara.html
omg swopa rulez the talking points.
thanks, fdl, for bringing us swopa’s logic so we can help get these frames out there.
are you listening, Democratic leadership?
evening all,
while waiting for a certain Sauropod
imagine a comment so spot on, TBogg front pages it -
http://tbogg.blogspot.com/2006…..st_23.html
standing apologies if previously posted
Hi all. Great post Swopa.
Here’s a very interesting, extremely simple, analogous post over at dkos.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/8/23/215247/028
cbl @ 283
awesome rant
Punaise at 199
MemphisBryan got pretty bummed out after working very hard for Dean.
He’s a good guy and very sweet person, or seems to be, but he’s just not going to be supportive of anyone who is not pure ideologically. In his opinion, Ford isn’t ‘pure’ so he’s not for him.
I just want a Democratic House and Senate (just!)….
Urban Pirate @ 8:25 pm (#284) – No apologies necessary. That was hilarious.
it was????
I know you meant tboggs post. :)
Margot @ 285
thanks for the perspective; I haven’t followed Ford closely. I lean towards your take on it (as far as I know, TN isn’t “pure progressive” territory)
TeddySanFran @ 284
Just a note: Swopa’s logic (along with, um, other mental attributes) is available daily at a humble site known as Needlenose.
Although it is also available at FDL at irregular intervals in exchange for bribes that usually involve kabobs.
Swopa’s logic is also available for rental (or purchase!) to the Democratic leadership for a somewhat higher fee. (Hint, hint… send your generous offers to Swopa c/o Needlenose.com.)
TRex upstairs! He’s extra sharp tonight!
RevDeb @
7
The moral of her story being, ladies, if you gonna talk to strangers on a plane, talk to GOPers.
Sorry, kewl progressive guys, the Reverend is busy and can’t chat right now….
Oilfieldguy says:
August 23rd, 2006 at 7:51 pm
Late to this party – it was cat visitation night – but last winter I recall some semi driver, obviously not you, decided to avoid the weather delay on I5 in Gorman by taking CA-33 north from Ojai. He got stuck in the snow in Wheeler Gorge…. (We all were about ROFL because it’s not an easy truck route in good weather. One of your blistertitty roads, I believe.)
RevDeb @
17
So much for my ambitions to make the mile-high club with that cute steward on the San Diego-Oakland run yesterday….
These points are sorta complicated: most Rethuglicans I know won’t understand.
How about: you know, we lost 1,200 people at Pearl Harbor and Hitler killed 6 million jews but we were in that war less than this one?
Was Saddam really more a threat than Hitler?
Or, the ever popular:
Did you ever figure out why we went into Iraq? Was it so Bush could get re-elected as a “War Preznit” as he said in 2000?
ember @ 124
Ohio. Lifelong Republican. We are having talks about the ‘06 election. She is disgusted with what the Republicans have done especially locally.
Quote o’ the day: “I’ll vote for any Democrat who can brush his own teeth.”
Go mommy!!
Aforementioned mommy was secretary to the managing director of the Boston law firm that helped take down McCarthy.
Swopa @ 226
I bow before the Master. I mean, whoever was writing about Patriot bows before the Master.
How about separate the issue that Washington has no leaders. They can’t even lead us for God sake…what the hell do they do? Nothing or worse.
What the hell does Bush do? The Republicans run the entire show…what the hell do they do? Nothing or worse. Bribes, and fixed districts, and it would seem fixed voting. They rig and buy the news. They spout their bitter lies and spin through concert speakers any day that they need to, and they set it up in advance with insider knowledge.
F’in condescend to people, call people “Macaca”, make fun of hiring their illegal immigrants, say African Americans can’t swim (hmmm how about a gold medel in the Summer Olymics taken home for the United States (“Welcome to America” – to an American), make fun of Indian accent (Joe), and make fun of this and that.
Sen. Stevens from Alaska is super powerful and is largely “responsible” for the regulation (or maybe just profiteering) of the internet and he thinks “it’s a series of tubes” and his “internets” got clogged in there). One of the Republican tools that wanted to put the 10-commandments everywhere in government buildings could not even name 3 of them. “Duke” Cunningham has a blood stain of dishonor and filthy money on his hands for his traitor behavior. Tom DeLay sold K Street, and sold law, and tried to make as many of his crimes and theft legal as possible. They are sick, and election tampering should be considered high crimes and treason in our Democratic Republic (yeah like as in Republican). So should willful indifference to the sheer volume of lies to the People who vote – the intention is that educated/informed people can make the strongest selections in an election.
The sad thing is this is just a tiny rant compared to mountain of shit.
People must be taking stupid pills if they send the scum who exploit the world back to power with Bush the bubble head on the top. They can’t even lead America. They let the city of New Orleans flood and drown, while “nation building” in Iraq. And what does the Republican congress man say…some disaster capitalism statement like what we could not do for years God has done.
Oh…Bush makes up another lie that he read 60 books in his book competition with Rove. Yeah Rove is stuck at 50 books thus far…must be him and their crew to busy committing treason and having to worry about just a single investigation in all of the crimes they are pulling. God – so you read a book… your President go freaking lead you dummy. Don’t skate on America’s greatness and run our country into the ground cause you know you can hang on Americas neck dragging her down and just jump off and let us and the next generation keep her up, and make us mighty again.
The White Houses thing on how Bush is not a legacy guy – f*** that – they have been talking legacy and history will judge later since they let 9/11 happen on their watch as if the WH’s shit smells like the roses and flowers they dream of. Not leaving Iraq while you’re President Bush…whatever – think Jeb is gonna clean up your mess? So Bush, the “Decider” leaves it to his faith that America is great enough to overcome a decade of his idiocy at this time in our history…good hope & guess Decider – but DO YOU HAVE TO MAKE IT SO FUCKING HARD?
Bush’s legacy is a talentless hack sneak thief… and such a character lesson the world has never seen in an American President. Bush has an all Republican Government and vote counts, and all he can use if for is crimes, crimes, and more crimes. And every now and then try (people in general, not FDL specifically) to start the debate on items other than the Gulf War 2, because they are screwing everything up at least as bad and as hard.
Q: Why can’t Democrats make room for a long-term stalwart, Joe Lieberman, who happens to disagree with a slim majority of Democrats on the single issue of Iraq?
A: Lieberman insulted the intelligence and impugned the patriotism of every American who disagrees with Bush: “[I]n matters of war we undermine presidential credibility at our nation’s peril.” No party’s tent is so big as to accomodate a senator for whom criticizing the leader of the opposition “imperils the nation.”
Terrorism and war in Iraq are not completely separate issues. Like it or not, Democrats overwhelmingly supported the war in Iraq. And this decision has made Iraq a part of International Terrorism. It is clearly noted that the local instability in a region leads to terrorism: very poor governance, rise of extremist elements, hopelessness, no order or chaos. these were all hallmarks of afghanistan. now it is the hall mark of Iraq.
I like Wesley Clark’s approach, which is realistic. Engage in Regional Diplomacy and stop overloading the military. It is not a military problem any more. Reickoff and Hackett has also said this. Enable governance and stability in that region before U.S. plans to end its “mission”. but the mission to reiterate is not militaristic but political and diplomatic.
Are the democrats stressing the “way forward” as much they stress on getting the troops out of harms way. I am guess their focus on troop reduction is a reaction to the frivolous charges from republicans that democrats don’t support the troops. Unfortunately yet again dems may allow repubs to dominate the discourse.
They should stress on the way forward.
How many times do we have to be reminded? There is no (quote) “war on terror” (unquote). It is a stupid statement, and Ill explain why in a moment. I dont mean that as a pejorative. And to repeat it, or give it any credence, is to help spread a lie, a deliberate attempt at propaganda, or a statement by a person who does not know what he or she is talking about. I find that the newspapers and television, as well as blogs on the internet, all use the phrase war on terror and it does everyone a disservice. Google alone states that there are 137,000,000 references to this phase.
When our President, George Bush, says those words, he is talking non-sense. So is anyone else using these words. The words are inflammatory, and their ultimate effect often deliberately to cause people to suspend any rational judgment about the things the speaker wants to do because of this so-called War on Terror. When rational judgment is suspended, people will do anything no matter how ineffective it is because of the emotional mind-clouding power, and the fear it gives rise to, when such meaningless words are used.
It is also extremely sloppy journalism to repeat this phase, except as a direct quote, because it is meaningless. It is as meaningless as war on laziness or the war on weather. Journalists seem never to have heard of semantics, or an abstraction ladder, a key concept in semantics (well worth looking at), both of which deal with the meaning of words and how their use affects us.
Right now, we as a country are involved in a number of situations, some dangerous, some not, one or two very separate wars, some diplomatic efforts, and a very diverse set of circumstances that may possibly threaten our way of life, and we, as a country, appear to be afraid of a number of diversified groups of people who reside in various countries. We are also, as a country, possibly threatened in a number of ways by a number of countries, as opposed to small scattered groups of people. All of these have been lumped together into a catch phrase that is entirely meaningless, namely a “war on terror.”
If we can define what these groups and countries are and distinguish how they differ from one another, it can help us to understand what were doing, why were doing it, and what the characteristics of all this mixed up war on terror might really mean. This, of course, immediately implies that there is no one single opponent against whom we can wage war, but instead presents a variety of different situations, some more dangerous than others, each of them requiring that we handle them, as best we can, in different ways if we want to reduce any threat they pose.
(I)The first group of people that we claim to be fighting with is a vaguely defined group, once led by a man named Bin Laden, that calls itself Al Qaeda. It appears to be based in Afghanistan, but may have spread to various other countries. It is a loosely-knit, guerrilla group that dislikes the West, vaguely defined as European and American countries. We dont know nearly enough about it to be at war with this group because it is so diffuse, and it is all too easy to confuse it with other groups at times. It is not certain that its leaders are alive or have control over this group because it is so diffuse. Originally, it was most probably responsible for the event known as 9/11. We, as a country under President Bush, claim to be fighting this group but appear to have lost interest in pursuing this group forcefully.
The number of deaths of U.S. troops killed in Afghanistan in this first military operation is 255 with 765 injured as of January 2006, as tracked by Wikipedia. I cite this figure in sharp contrast to the number of U.S. troops killed in the next military effort, still going on today, in Iraq which was 2,299 U.S. soldiers killed and 33,094 seriously injured as of March 2006 (cited at the site http://icasualties.org/oif/def…..fault.aspx). The disparity between Afghanistan and Iraq, in terms of dead and casualties is very revealing about what is being emphasized.
(II)The second group that we were fighting was the Saddam Hussein regime in Iraq. It was a war declared by President Bush, with no real resistance from Congress. The enemy was a vague one mainly the dictator, Saddam Hussein, who somehow had Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD) and was linked vaguely to terrorists, the same ones named in Afghanistan as being Al Qaeda. None of these reasons has proven to be true. I repeat: None of the reasons given for this war have been proven to be true. As cited above, more than 2,000 U.S. soldiers have been killed in Iraq as a result of this war. Because of what the President and his Administration have been saying, and repeating as a mantra, according to many surveys, many people in the U.S. believe, irrationally, that this war is being fought as a war on terror. This is simply not an accurate or true statement.
Our troops really arent fighting terror or terrorists here. They are actually intervening in an internal conflict that has been going on for a long time back to when England and Winston Churchill was involved. I will add that there have been instances of non-Iraqi individuals crossing the border into Iraq from Syria and Iran to attack American military forces, and some of these individuals may be linked to Al Qaeda, but that is not the biggest part of the problem. In fact, because of our invasion of Iraq and our destruction of the status quo, by eliminating Saddam Hussein, it may be that we have opened a whole new breeding ground for, and encouraged, these individuals to learn how to operate successfully and conduct terrorist operations. Iraq thus appears to be involved in a civil war of Sunnis versus Shiites, with Kurds protecting their interests, and some outsiders conducting guerilla terrorist operations aimed at fomenting unrest and driving the U.S. forces out. We cannot be involved in a war on terror here because there are at least four separate parties here, and it isnt always clear who is doing what to hurt or kill whom.
(III)A third arena whom we are not fighting is North Korea, a dictatorship that is working to build an atomic bomb capability. This country is a military threat to South Korea because it possesses a huge standing army of more than a million soldiers. It is a country with a well-defined government, not a loosely organized group of individuals. We have not declared war on them, nor have they declared war on the U.S. But for some reason, at times, they have been included in this war on terror.
(IV)A fourth arena that is also sometimes referred to under the mantra of war on terror is Iran. Iran is the largest country in the Middle East, with a government that is primarily run by its religious right. They may provide a place for Al Qaeda and other groups which dislike the U.S. for various reasons to develop and train members. We are not at war with Iran, and they are not at war with us. But, for some reason, they also have been lumped into this war on terror.
(V)There are other places in the world, such as South America and the Philippines, that have been also lumped into this war on terror, but, again, we have not declared war on them nor have they declared war on the U.S. Numerous groups, some of which hate the U.S. and some involved in insurgencies against their existing government, have the earmarks of terrorists in that they conduct underground operations, kill people indiscriminately, have loose organizations, may or may not be linked to other similar organizations.
It is very important, unlike our President and his “war on terror”, to separate different types of terrorists (a very maligned word) into specific and different groups. So we are not at war with all of the groups Ive mentioned. We couldnt be. Many of them have no government for us to declare war on. It is sloppy use of communication to say that we are engaged in a war on terror when we really need to understand that there are many such groups around the world, each separate and different, each requiring different tactics, each posing a different type of threat (in some cases, no threat) to our country.
Please remember that next time you hear these words. If you understand what has been said here, you will be able to determine how absurd such a claim is (war on terror) and look at what the person saying these words is really trying to do. He or she may be trying to scare you so you dont think clearly; he or she may be pushing an agenda to take rights away from you; he or she may be saying such words to get elected again; or to be considered patriotic or strong or effective. Always listen to the words and match them to the actions. The outcome may surprise you and open your eyes to what is actually going on.
Lumping all terrorists together, as the fear factor causes people to do, only blinds them to what is a complex situation and decreases the chance that any effective action can be taken.