
During the first flush of the Democratic "No, really, we are serious about national security" counterattack last week (see Greg Sargent for a refresher if you've forgotten), Karl Rove an anonymous "top GOP strategist" made a revealing admission to the Washington Post :
The strategist, who is involved in GOP efforts to capitalize on the issue of national security, said one of the big challenges in the months ahead will be "making sure the terrorism issue sticks to Iraq." With some GOP candidates distancing themselves from Bush's Iraq policy, the strategist said, it has been difficult marrying the issues of terrorism and Iraq. This is disturbing to top GOP officials because support for the war is low, and dropping, and Iraq is a bigger issue in many of the campaigns than the less-defined effort against terrorism, the strategist said.
Well, guess what, Karl... if you want to avoid an ulcer, you'd better not have checked the New York Times this morning:
Americans increasingly see the war in Iraq as distinct from the fight against terrorism, and nearly half believe President Bush has focused too much on Iraq to the exclusion of other threats, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll. The poll found that 51 percent of those surveyed saw no link between the war in Iraq and the broader antiterror effort, a jump of 10 percentage points since June.
And you may want to skip turning on CNN, too, Karl, 'cause their latest CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll showed similar results:
Most Americans, according to the poll, seem to have separate opinions about the war in Iraq and terrorism, with more than half (52 percent) saying the war in Iraq is a distraction from the U.S. efforts against terrorists who want to attack targets inside the United States.
A smaller percentage, 44 percent, said the war in Iraq "is an essential part" of U.S. efforts against terrorists who want to attack targets inside the United States.
Yikes! I guess that airport security scare you guys cooked up kinda backfired, Karl. You thought it was going to make people fear for their lives and run to Strong Daddy for protection, but what it really did was make them wonder what good all those damn troops in Iraq are doing if the next terrorist attack could from Great Britain as easily as anywhere else.
I think there were a couple of subconscious repercussions as well. Even if the in-flight bomb scare turns out to be grossly overhyped, there at least seemed to be a decent level of competence involved in the surveillance and arrests -- something that hasn't been anywhere in evidence in Iraq. In fact, the inept, self-defeating nature of just about everything we've done in that war is so overwhelming that who could blame anyone in the GOP base with a significant fear of terrorism for wanting to separate the two issues psychologically? After all, if Iraq is central to the War on Terror™, and things are slipping out of control in Iraq... well, that's kind of a scary thought, isn't it?
You can almost feel this kind of angst in the recent Washington Post story on how Republicans are losing the support of "security moms":
Married mothers said in interviews here that they remain concerned about national security and the ability of Democrats to keep them safe from terrorist strikes. But surveys indicate Republicans are not benefiting from this phenomenon as they have before. . . . Jean Thomas, a married mother of one, said she still feels a pang of fear every time she boards an airplane for work travel around the Midwest. "Terrorism," she said, "is the biggest concern on a daily basis."But she said she is "pretty frustrated with politics driving decisions" in Washington. That is why she said she is strongly considering abandoning her support of Republicans to vote for the Democrats challenging Rep. Deborah Pryce and Sen. Mike DeWine on Nov. 7.
. . . Jo Ann Smith, a divorced mother in Upper Arlington, said she voted for Pryce last time but certainly will not this fall because of the war issue alone. "I am just totally disgusted with this war," Smith said. "I understand terrorism and the threat, but I am sick of hearing about it." Smith said she will vote for Democrats across the board, mostly because she considers Republicans the "worst of two evils."
. . . Marylee McCallister, a mother of three who was a Republican for 42 years until this April . . . voted for Bush because she believed his warnings that the Democratic nominee, Sen. John F. Kerry (Mass.), would weaken the nation. "I was dumb," she said. "Now, granted, they came here and rammed bombs into us, but I am afraid we have gotten into something full scale which perhaps did not have to be."
The themes are clear -- like the rest of us, these Bush voters feel like terrorism has been used as a political sledgehammer, and they know that Dubya is in way over his head in Iraq. But they also know that September 11th wasn't just a movie, and they're personally frightened of it happening again.
With all due respect to Pachachutec's ground-breaking (and wingnut-infuriating) work in debunking the War on Terror™ meme, I think there's an opportunity here for Democrats to turn it to their advantage. These "security moms" and other prospective voters like them are ready to jump into the Democratic column, and we can help them be more comfortable with that leap if we reassure them there isn't really a trade-off... they can get a realistic, adult way of extracting the U.S. from Iraq, and be safer against terrorism.
Here are some talking points I'd suggest to get that message across, permanently splitting the idea that we need to "win" in Iraq from the goal of protecting Americans from another major terrorist attack:
- A BETTER WAY: When Republicans want to talk about the war in Iraq as being essential in the fight against terrorism, their standard rhetorical trick is to contrast "staying the course" versus doing nothing. Why not flip that around, and make it a choice of their approach versus any other response:
"We're close to losing as many American lives in Iraq as we lost on September 11th. We didn't have to lose them; it was the result of a choice by this administration. They said, given September 11th, this is what we have to do. Were they right? Is having nearly 1,000 Americans a year die in Iraq the best way to defend this country?
If you think we could have gone a better way -- and I think it's obvious we could have -- then maybe, just maybe, there's a better way to defend the U.S. than staying in Iraq forever the way the president wants us to."
Normally, this technique is referred to as "making the perfect the enemy of the good." In this case, though, it's more like making anything the enemy of the abysmally stupid. The underlying question is: Do you want the people whose bad judgment got us bogged down in Iraq running the country unchecked for the next two years? - LEAVING US VULNERABLE: Another bit of propaganda the Bushites have used repeatedly to justify the war in Iraq (and Israel's invasion of Lebanon) is that we can't afford to ignore the Middle East, letting local resentments build and used to fuel anti-American extremism. But even by his own standards, Dubya has made us more vulnerable on this score -- how can anyone look at the rubble of Lebanon, and Iraq in flames, with tens of thousands of Arabs chanting "Death to America" in demonstrations, and not expect that hatred to spill over onto our shores someday? We need to respond in a way that lessens the rage, rather than increasing it.
- NO TIME TO WASTE: Democrats can demonstrate that not only do we care about terrorism as much as anyone, we view it as a more urgent concern than the Republicans. If they try to trot out the line (favored by VP Dick Cheney) about it being "no accident" that "we haven't been hit" since September 11th, their gloating is close to complacency -- just because we haven't been hit so far doesn't mean we won't be in the near future. If anything, the purported British plane-bombing plot proves that.
And to respond to the latest, desperate twist by Dubya -- that if "we leave [Iraq] before the mission is done, the terrorists will follow us here" -- I'd simply say, I'm afraid that if we keep 150,000 troops in Iraq for the next three to five years, they're going to beat us here. If the next terror attack comes from Great Britain, or the Phillippines, or Indonesia, how will it make us safer to have nearly all of our available military strength tied down in Iraq?
Feel free to try these talking points out on the Republicans in your life, or share them with your local progressive friends and allies, and let's see if we can't make Democrats the "strong on national security" party... in perception, as well as reality.
(Swopa appears courtesy of Needlenose.)
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Hair gel!
Russ!
I’ve seen dog and pony shows before, but this picture nails it.
Exploding breast implants!
All women with fake breasts must ride Amtrak or Greyhound. Republican fake boobs exempted, please display your voter registration card.
lol Twisted — what has gotten into you this evening? You are seriously frisky!
Twisted Martini @ 4
What about the fake Republican boob we elected president?
The worst part is, the silicone seems to have hardened.
talked with 2 repubs on the way home from CA late Monday. The points they seemed to start to buy had to do with the fact that the admin. is NOT doing what they need to as far as protecting the ports, the power plants, the water supply, etc. I asked them if the admin. was really serious about protecting us from terrorists, how come they haven’t done these things?
They had no good answer.
It started them thinking.
Swopa!!!!
I’ve been spamming Michael Scheuer’s Harper’s interview all morning, but I do believe it’s a must read because he clearly and directly lays out all the talking points about the huge failings of the War on Terror. So I would take a page from him and go further to say, “This is what the war in Iraq has done.” I’d go for the specific huge negatives this war has produced because when you see them, it’s just so clear and persuasive.
I just riffed over from hair gel to silicone…I wonder if all those Republican wimmen with mall hair will be allowed to board an airplane…Aquanet is pretty flammable!
Republicans are the real boobs. Just ask Katherine Harris or Pammie Atlas.
Looks like Ann Coulter is one of the first opinionators to echo the strategy What Part of the War on Terrorism Do They Support?
Swopa — great post, as always. Lots and lots to think about here — my favorite sort of read. :)
I spoke with my ex-Marine brother this morning, and he was pretty freaked about the involuntary recall. He’s not eligible, as his 8 years expired in 01. But he did agree with me when I said that Iraq was a bigger policy disaster than Vietnam.
And a guest post by Swopa of the Cognosenti, how great is that?
Swopa –
He is a real Republican, and the biggest boob in the world — but he is definitely a fake preznit.
One outta three ain’t bad . . .
I think that Paul Hackett should take on Ann Coulter in a debate. It would make a great pay per view!
So does this mean that silicone can’t be packed? And if not, will we be forever consigned to being “lubeless” when we travel?
Hi Swopa! Good to seeya.
Guys, I just want to mention that Digby, Attytood and Holden are reporting that our friend Rocky who was so lucky to snag a meet and greet with Bush, just happens to be……..wait for it…….yep, you guessed it! A Republican Politican!!
(tried some links but I think I’m too tired)
Here’s my letter to cnn, as requested by a commenter at Attytood:
“I’m writing about the “lovely” story about the man from New Orleans who miraculously managed to visit with the President and the fellow who will supposedly cut through the red tape for the residents as a result. It is a very uplifting story as long as you don’t know the entire truth, isn’t it? But when you learn that Rocky is a Lousiana Republican politician, it colors the response just a little and helps to explain how this “Mr. Nobody” managed to get an audience with the King. I expect that if an enterprising reporter were to look behind the scenes, there might be a phone call or two between the White House and our friend Rocky to confirm dates and times. And, yes, I’m cynical enough to assume that the White House found Rocky to create this heartwarming photo op, what with the election coming upon us in a few short weeks.
Guess CNN is out of that kind of reporter.
Sincerely,
zennurse
In case it has not already been noted here, there is a report that Bob Woodward met with Dick Armitage on the day he claims he was told of the Plame involvement in the Niger investigation.
Not surprisingly, calls to both have gone unanswered and the MSM has ignored the story. This is huge news. I had not seen any definitive report stating that Armitage was Woodward source before today.
The link is at Huffington Post.
inexpensive “lube” is glycerine based …
RevDeb @ 16
Only Republican, petroleum based lubes are allowed.
By the way, why does Bush keep talking about salamifascists?
Great letter zenn! How’s the computer craziness coming?
Actually, the Dems need to do some deep thinking about a war with Iran. Larry Johnson had a pretty depressing post today about our prospects for avoiding same:
http://noquarter.typepad.com/m.....ill_c.html
Even as Dems try to optimize their position on Iraq vs. GWOT, the game could be very different by late October.
OMG, that took forever. Been up since o’dark-thirty with a headache, so going to sleep with the sun.
Sweet Dreams, pups.
Going to see Body Worlds tomorrow, Oh Boy.
I’m outraged - OUTRAGED I TELL YOU - that you would disagree with me!
;-)
(ps - great post!)
Got it back, Deb, Hooray!!!
Thanks, hope you’re feeling better, sweetie.
‘night.
Chris Bowers has another Adwatch post — he thinks Patricia Madrid NM-01 has a winner.
karelroc @ 19
I called this tidbit “Snakes on a Plame” at my site…
It seems to me that if Democrats want to gain an advantage with “security moms” or for that matter anyone else in this country worried about a terrorist attack, they should come up with a solid and workable plan that concentrates on the vulnerability of our borders. And present this plan in a very public manner. And hammer this plan home over and over, day after day. Trying to glue terrorism to Iraq won’t work. And as an after thought, the Democrats might also investigate and devise a plan, a very different plan than the Republican no-plan, for attacking the root causes for why certain people in the Middle East, Asia, Africa and other areas hate America so much.
zennurse @ 27
So glad you’re back in business. Go get the sleep you need.
{{{hugs}}}
suzy_oneliner @
22
Salami comes from Italy. Just like Mussolini. Don’t you see? It the cured luncheon meat of fascists everywhere.
cleter @ 32
baloney
*ilson46201 @ 33
Will no one rid us of these turkeys?
Needlenose!
Great post Swopa - I really think finding every way we can to jiujitsu the bullshit (our response to “catapult the propaganda”?) is crucial and you are excellent at it.
Photo juxtaposition of the century.
cheesy
Busholini?
al-Scooter @ 34
Where’s the beef?
Bushitler.
RevDeb @ 38
The chickens are hawking it.
The attempt to keep the tension up has produced bored skepticism. There’s only so far it can be ratcheted up, as with any other porn, the user becomes desensitized and detached. By election day, they’ll have set themselves on fire to get attention. I can hardly wait.
They’re desperate to keep the mess in Iraq thought of as part of the war on terror. That’s why the idiot chick running against Murtha used the talking points last week, and the goofball running in TX who was on Hardball yesterday kept saying “al qaeda’s in Iraq!”
That concept is so bassackwards even Tweety was able to take the goofball apart. BTW, Hackett was amazing. That man must run for office again asap.
Alka-selzer on the rocks, anyone?
You know, I always argued that Bush was more like Mussolini, a petty dictator who wasn’t that smart. But the more evil he seems to be, the less water that argument holds.
marshmallows
Oh well. At least they have the October Surprise.
Valley Girl @ 43
Bush is Pepto-Abysmal.
I flew out of Bradley the morning after the night before, and there was a fair amount of gumbling, and sceptical grumbling at that, amongst those going through security.
Feel free to try these talking points out on the Republicans in your life
LOL, this isn’t necessarily a good thing: other than the occasional client I don’t have any Republicans in my life (why do you think it’s called the People’s Republic of Berkeley?)
Oklahoma kiddo @ 30
This is more a gut hunch than anything I can prove, but I have a feeling that however good that is as a policy, it doesn’t resonate well politically — it feels too much like a “last line of defense” (in contrast to Dubya’s rhetoric about “fighting them over there” and “staying on the offense”). Which brings us to…
I’ll have a post at Needlenose tomorrow about this — it’s something I couldn’t quite fit into this post. It’s definitely a theme I feel should be part of the mix.
RevDeb @
17
I will never see you the same as I did.
LMAO.
Good one.
Punaise #49:
Drop by my ‘hood in TheOC sometime. We’ve got all you can handle. And a whole lot more.
It’s interesting that shouting “Terra! Terra! Boogity boogity!” is not as effective as it used to be. I think a fair number of people no longer see Bush as “strong leader”–I think they now see a guy who is scared all the time.
punaise- you need to get out more! Seriously, though, if you volunteer to phone bank or door knock for a contentious CA race, these kind of pointers from Swopa can come in very handy. I should have made copies of similar “tips” posts from FDL to have at the ready myself in CT.
RevDeb @ 17
who be packin’ teat?
Or job, then, is clearly to make sure it doesn’t. For a short primer, watch Paul Hackett’s response to that dork Van Taylor on Hardball. C&L has the clip.
Punaise @49 - you can also point it out to the Connecticut for Lieberman folk.
Valley Girl @ 54
al-Scooter @ 52
We try to make sure our kids know that the Bay Area is a liberal enclave.
Maybe this is wishful thinking, but I think W’s juvenile behavior at press conferences - you know where he stutters and stammers and then escalates into anger and preachy condescending huffing and puffing - is starting to wear on people. He treats all of us like we don’t get it. Like he’s the only one who knows how to speak on the issue. The truth is, his so-called war on terror, with its squirt gun on a forest fire approach to everything, doesn’t even come near what needs to be done. All of his premises and assumptions about what to do are flawed, and no amount of decidering and understandering change any of that. He’s a clown. And the whole world knows it.
meta @ 59
Yeah. What he needs is a lot more strategerying
I could be totally wrong about this but wouldn’t you think the factions in Iraq handed the Al Qaida folks their hats a long time ago? Along about Falluja time. I suspect any who did not take the hint with the hat were then handed their ass.
Bustednuckles @ 51
Have we met? Didn’t know you’d “seen” me.
I so hope the W–hiney tone is starting to Wear out the masses. Are you W–orn Out?
Anyone know if Paul Hackett is up for campaigning for Democrats across the country? Maybe we (toobzrootz) should take up a collection and take him on a cross-country tour.
yee-haw! just had a sharp earthquake! anybody else feel it?
If you liked the graphic for this post, click through.
punaise @ 64
No, but I’m in NY. Hope that’s the worst of it, California doggies.
Paul Hackett is in the lovely and unique position of being to say whatever he wants. He’s a vet, he’s been kicked around by the party, and he’s really smart, articulate and passionate. He should be everywhere!
meta @
59
The only thing I would add to this is: And most people get very resentful when they find out they’ve been played. The damn thing is that Bush was never real good at his particular brand of bullshit and people were starting to get sick of it during the summer of 2001 ….
IMO - the best thing to come out of the Bush press conf is the murmured question (and I feel sorry for the guy who asked it, you know he’s on a list now) interrupting the Bush Iraq9/11 rant, and asking what Iraq had to do with 9/11 and the Bush response.I think it would make a nice little quickie ad in and of itself -
First Bush repeating the question and then saying NOTHING.
Then a voice: Oh really? Is that why the Republican Rubber Stamp Congress is fighting an investigation of why we really went to war in Iraq?
Then tack on theBush: “fool me once, shame on you,[mindless gibberish thereafter]”
Then: Vote Republican - so we can invade more countries that had nothing to do with 9/11 and spend 10 million an hour fighting their civil wars for them too!
punaise @ 64
is everything ok?
thebewilderness @ 61
No, although there is a lot of intramural squabbling among the various insurgent factions, al-Qaida (or at least the guys who claim to be al-Qaida affiliated) are still in the mix.
If the other groups succeeded enough not to need them any more, though, yes, the al-Qaida faction would get squashed like a bug. Their main role seems to be supplying money, and cannon fodder in the form of suicide bombers.
CNN.com is bleating about “behavior of concern” on a Northwest flight that was returned to Amsterdam. It’s getting to the point where we will all have to be sedated and stacked like firewood to fly anywhere.
Paul Hacket is in the unique position of being able to say exactly what he wants. He’s a vet, he’s been kicked around by the party, and he’s passionate, articulate, and very smart. He should be everywhere!
Connecticut for Lieberman- remember, C comes before L, so it’s higher on the ballot.
punaise - no! Any info?
it was small but sharp:
usually don’t feel the micro-quakes, but this one was distict.
punaise @ 64
It was only 2.7 on the Richter scale, but the epicenter appears to have been directly beneath punaise’s backside.
I’m in downtown SF, and nobody here felt anything.
C before D. Please tell me there is a drawing for ballot placement.
punaise- please report again from the faultlines.
Twisted Martini @ 71
That doesn’t really sound so bad.
The thing is, most people see that the war isn’t going well.
If they DO associate the war on terror with the Iraq War, they feel bad about the war on terror. No?
Bushco has turned into the ‘Sofa King’’s.
They are ‘Sofa King’ afraid of the upcoming elections.
They are ‘Sofa King’ afraid of impeachment.
They are ‘Sofa King’ of oversight.
They are ‘Sofa King” their base is running away.
And they are ‘Sofa King’ afraid of US!
bg- actually that sounds more sensible- but that’s the way I remember the Joe party. Need a CT expert to say which.
hey punaise
We don’t get quakes here in Florida. We’re basically just a big, yokel-filled sandbar. We get the other thing. Hurricanes.
Swopa @ 76
no kidding - it felt like a 3.5 at least. Nothing to see, folks; sorry for the interruption. The tectonic plates are just demonstrating behavior of concern.
Swopa — excellent post and very thought provoking.
On tonight’s pundit shows (CNN, MSNBC), these poll numbers were used to warn of trouble for the Repubs, just as you note. However, other numbers from the same polls showed that Bush’s ratings for handling terror shot way up compared to prior months, and this was attributed to the recent “success” of the British in foiling the airline plots. The “analysts” opined that these numbers are volatile, and as things calm down, the same numbers gradually fall off, only to shoot up again with the next incident.
So what Rove just got, IMO, was a strong confirmation that Bush can manipulate his positive issue — handling terror — simply by staging a successful arrest of plotters. How easy is that?
To counter this, Dems need to create in the public mind that each time an incident occurs, it is a sign of failure, and hence a reason for Bush numbers to fall further, rather than go up.
This suggests the Dems need to link all of your themes, that is, to convince the public that the British airline and other plots are not signs of success, they are in fact clear signs that (1)terror incidents are likely to increase and become more varied and sophisticated, because (2) emerging/potential terrorists all over the world are increasingly angry at the US and committed to striking us, because (3) we (or our friend Israel) have been dropping US-made bombs on Muslims in four countries — Lebanon, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq) and are occupying 3 of those nations (so far) and threatening others while (4) Bush is describing the resistance in those countires as “terrorists” while (5) being indifferent to killing innocent civilians just because they’re near so-called terrorists.
Why would we expect these policies to do anything other than enrage and create a whole new generation of people willing to hijack US planes and blow them up? How can that possibly make us safer? And what makes anyone think that adding more troops to Baghdad, or for that matter, more security at our borders and ports, could possible stop really angry people from killing us right here, never mind the ME? It’s the policies that are making us less safe.
The other theme, which came out a week ago in the George Will column, was the notion that Kerry was right about viewing this as international police work, and not primarily military. The UK story shows that. So having 130,000 US troops tied down in but occupying Iraq is problematic because (1) they are probably encouraging more terrorists, but not really fighting them and (2) becoming a huge distraction because we now have to worry about the safety of those troops in a hostile and rapidly deteriorating region even though they are not really part of the solution to terrorist threats — international police work is.
Bottom line, the Bush policies across the board are making the terror problem worse, and the “solutions” he clings to are part of the problem. And every time there’s an incident, it shows the policy is failing, even when we “catch” someone.
Amanpour’s special on bin Laden just starting on CNN.
“it felt like a 3.5 at least”- ah, CAians are so finely attuned to the Richter Scale!
Yikes, punaise! Yokay?
tommy yum says:
August 23rd, 2006 at 5:33 pm *
“Oh well. At least they have the October Surprise.”
NYT did an interesting polling chart today. Senate’s going to be right down to the wire in Nov:– for a 50/50 split (with VP Torquemada as tiebreaker), we appear to need the following scenario -
*38 safe Dem seats sans CT stay safe
*CT sends Liebertraitor to the woodshed
*7 seats leaning Dem go to the Dems
*we get two tossup states (MT and MO), both of which are now polling Dems in the lead
*RI ditches Chafee
*OH ditches Dewine
=50 seats
This is going to be fun fun fun
Indiana hasn’t had a decent earthquake since 1811 … about every five years there’s a minor rumble but that’s it. Thank heavens for living on the center of the North American Plate !
without comment:
RevDeb @ 62
I apologise for being a smart a** RevDeb.
VG, I’ve been wondering whether you’re still in touch with Bat and how he’s doing with his campaign. Any news?
HI, BAT, if you’re here!
tommy yum, do you track “Had Enough?” I think we are playing daily or more here.
lotus @ 87
’snuthin. not even close to a 707…but thanks for asking
Mary @ 69—that would be a wonderful ad!
Swopa @ 77
was it something you said?
Busted
no apologies necessary. Just trying to “humanize” the clergy. Once in a while we need to make jokes too! And we are all more human than otherwise.
glad you liked the joke.
-ck- @ 28
any seismic implications to this New Madrid candidate?
Because I assume that Democratic decision makers read this blog, and because I’m a generous guy, I will now give the Democratic Party its slogan for ‘06, which knocks Bushie’s Iraqi Adventure, bolsters the Dems security credentials, and will appeal to the inner jingoism of the “Reagan Democrat” crowd. And here it is:
“Protect America First!”
You don’t have to pay me, you don’t have to thank me. Just get this gang of thieves and war criminals out of office and into the dock where they belong.
I lived in Claremont, CA for a year, but the only quake I ever felt was in western KS. It felt like someone next door tipped over the fridge. Tornadoes, now, that’s a whole different matter.
What’s this “earthquake” thingy of which you speak? Are you saying the actual earth moves? That sounds quite odd.
lotus- no, I haven’t checked in with Bat lately- but I should. He was hoping to be the party candidate, last I knew.
Madrid, best chance ever to unseat cry-booby Heather in NM. It’ll rock us here big time, seat held by Rs from the get-go. Like a big Richter.
Mary - absolutely right about Bush and that question at the press conference. I just saw it on video and I thought it was wild that the guy just shouted it out like that in the middle of Bush’s bloviating blah blah. And the fact that Bush took the bait is also just astonishing. His hurly burly response shows how close he is to freaking out. We must thank our lucky stars that all that was caught on tape. It should definitely be used in our campaign this year.
PBS show about the McCarthy blacklist going on now.
Well, if/when you touch base with him, VG, please pass along my best.
lotus, I will, and say that folks here were asking about him.
Great post Swopa.
But the biggest terrorist attack happened under Bush’s watch and obviously his admin. failed to protect us from that attack. It has been a mystery to me why the democrats didn’t pin this on Bush and allowed him to get away with the collosal failure. I think we should hammer this point home.