Reader ems forwarded this response from an exchange he had with the DCCC:
From: DCCC [mailto:dccc@DCCC.ORG]
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 10:09 AM
To: XXXXXXX
Subject: RE: CommentsWe apologize for your frustration. It is actually very likely that this competitive race will actually help Congressional Democrats by making sure every Democrat is out at the polls. Rather than a bland race where Lieberman will surely win and no one will care, there is now a heated race that will bring every Democrat out to the polls, thus increasing the chances of a Democratic sweep of the Connecticut House seats.
Offered without comment.
Okay I can’t help myself. Jeebus.
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Jane!
Fitz!
Jeebus!
JANE!!
Thank God Joe is doing this for the good of the Democratic Party!!
Long may he run!
Please remind us of ways to communicate with the DSCC about this.
I just returned my recent DSCC request for funds with notes on their short list of those they will support: Where’s Lamont? Where’s Tester?
are they saying that it’s possible that, even though there may be a record dem turnout, each dem’s vote may only count as half of a vote since both lieberloser and lamont are running? and that’ll make it exciting?
twolf1 –
No, they are trying to counter the rather obvious inference that Joe Lieberman running as the de facto Republican is most likely to increase the Republican vote thereby sinking the chances of three key congressional Democratic challengers, which in turn sinks the chances of regaining the house.
Hence, I assume, the ostrich.
PS Love that “1″
Returning to the theme running through lots of recent threads . . .
And we’re paying these folks for this kind of thinking?
It sounds like the baseball coach who says “Yeah, I really like winning by just one run in the last inning, because it makes my team stronger.”
Sorry – even if you grant that the dems will turn out because the election is close, Joe’s candidacy will bring out the republicans, too, and that’s not a good thing if I’m running for the House down the ticket on the Democratic side.
Sounds like this would be a good email to forward to the CT House candidates, and see what they think of it. They might have a few choice words for the DCCC . . . except that if they win, they have to play with them. Talk about screwed! I guess that just leaves plain folks like us.
the DCCC doesnt seem to realize that SoreLoserman is running in an alliance with the GOP Congressional candidates against the Democrats…
peterr,
I remember mocking my cousin who (10 years younger than me) BOMBED the PSAT and afterwards said of his dismal score :
“That’s just where I was planning to be for my push on the SAT.”
No joke. Can’t make that shit up.
Punchline — Today that fellow works for the FBI.
Love the photo!
Just heard something appropos on TV.
I think it was Phil Ivey who said it on Celebrity Poker. (Mr Bionic is channelling surfing so it’s lucky I heard a whole sentence.)
Does the DCCC consider this a spectator sport or a fight the Democratic Party must win?
The f**kheads are owned, lock stock and barrel, by A*PAC and various corporate interests — and they were bought cheap, too. I’m also thinking some creative blackmail may be keeping some of them, and the CM, in line. The next few years, especially if we make real gains in November, are going to be one hell of a fight.
I’d like to say something about last night.
I’ve been thinking about it a lot, and I’m actually beginning to consider it a good portent, believe it or not. We are an incredibly diverse group of people, and not just geographically: we’re all ethnic groups, all levels of education, all kinds of work experience. And when you think about it, that also means a bundle of different ways of expressing things, and dealing with conflict or difficult situations.
I understand totally where Pach is coming from: my father was an attorney back when that meant respecting the law, and he was Jesuit-educated and just about worshipped logic, reasons, fact. And since he didn’t have sons, he taught me to debate — our dinner-table conversation was Brown v. the Board, or abortion, and as soon as I really got going, he’d make me switch sides. So back when I had my brains, I could debate, argue or discuss with the best of them.
However, that didn’t necessarily win me big points when I grew up, because emotion, any emotion, will trump logic every time. Another lesson my father taught me, that’s taken me a lifetime to learn, is that you can catch more flies with honey than vinegar: and much as I dislike it, this is what we need with the Wal-Mart voters, and also country club Repubs, Independents and assorted recalcitrant Dems. And also, when things get intense, with each other.
So we have got to find ways of working together on this: not everyone has Ghostman’s wisdom, dedication and thick hide, and as the pressure builds towards Election Day, I think it’s really important that we, all of us, create a place where it’s safe for the strong-speakers to be so, and for those who don’t work that way to somehow still feel safe enough to add their piece. And I do not think this is merely the moderators’ responsibility: it’s all of ours.
Sermon over (stumbling down off soap-box)
That’s just stunning. I can’t believe anyone would call the Lamont-Lieberman race “bland.”
The DCCC called me up asking for money.
They caught me at a very bad time. I had just been reading blogs.
I let the nice lady go through her spiel, and then told her they and the DSCC would not get a friggin’ dime from me until Holy Joe “Senator-for-Life” Lieberman was stripped of his committee assignments – for undermining his own party, accepting aid and comfort and endorsements from Repugs, and for sabotaging, by soliciting Republican votes for his hypocritical and selfish “independent” campaign, the chances of three important Connecticut congressional candidates in his own state.
“The Democratic leadership – and yes, that includes your organization – has to call this turncoat to account for siding with the enemy against his own party. At least Ted Kennedy has stepped up to the plate and defended Ned Lamont,” I said.
She had no response, except to stammer that Kennedy could speak out the way he did because he wasn’t in danger of losing his own seat. I went ballistic.
“In other words, we can only expect Democrats to behave like leaders when the coast is clear? Wonderful. That’s precisely why I’m not going to donate to you, or the DSCC, or the DNC. I’ll research races online and give my money directly to candidates who actually behave like Democrats instead of rewarding so-called loyal party members who support Holy Joe by their silence, or who play it safe when they should be speaking out against the criminal syndicate that currently runs our government.”
She said that she “understood my frustration,” and that sentiment had been echoed by others.
“Good. Tell your supervisors that they don’t hold all the cards anymore, and the party leadership will be held to account by people like me from now on unless they start acting like Democrats – and punishing those like Lieberman who don’t,” I said. “We don’t need the help of gutless middlemen who decide from on high who passes muster and who doesn’t, or who gets funded and who doesn’t, because progressives can now go online to the blogs and research and donate to candidates who will really represent the people. Lamont was just the beginning, and if the party brass doesn’t get behind him and throw Joe and other turncoats like him overboard, you will never get another dime from me.”
“But thank you for taking the time to call,” I added, and hung up.
(Taken from my original post on the subject at DailyKos.)
Dana Milbank says “there is some logic to what [Bush] is saying” about Iraq.
Tool.
Shorter DCCC:
“Calm down honey! We are smart, and you are just a stupid voter. We hate having to even talk to you people, and we prefer taking money from corporations, but we can’t just come out and tell you that, or you might go out and join another party. Now be a good girl and send us a check, and sit down and shut up!”
(N.B. yes *ilson I know corporations have to funnel their money through a PAC! hehe)
Yes,
A Lamont/Lieberman/Gambler race provides a better shot of pickups than a Lamont/Gambler head to head matchup.
That the Democratic messaging and overall chances are being helped by Joe’s fifth party candidacy?
Is that REALLY what they were trying to say?
Truly pathetic.
What happens if Lieberman wins and is then appointed Sec of Defence? Is the Govenor Republican or Democrat?
The primary reflected extraordinary, once in a generation Democratic activist turnout.
No way to repeat that just three months later. None. It’s a fantasy.
It seems more likely that Lieberman will prompt fierce, historic Republican turnout in November, lest Lamont squeak to victory. No, these voters won’t be supporting the Democratic congressional candidates challenging Republicans until recently thought vulnerable.
And if you look at this on a district by district basis, it appears Lamont’s victory has crossed three races off the DCCC’s list of 15 priority wins.
The netroots is just a bunch of suckers for the strategy and tactics of Karl Rove.
I really think the Democrats are going to prevail this year. It has nothing to do with the ‘our time has come’ bit. It’s that events are propelling the situation. I do think however, that Democrats need to unite around the Iraq issue and hammer it home.
snoboysdrift @ 18
Republican.
Actually, Kurt, I think the fact that anyone would not only refuse to donate but tie that non-action to the CT race rocked her back on her heels. She became a stammering, apologetic wreck. I actually felt sorry for her. After all, she was just a volunteer.
But I do hope she delivered my message to the appropriate parties (to coin a phrase).
dannyboy @ 12
From one preacher to another, well said.
neurophius @ 15
Oh, there is, as long as you don’t try to connect it to reality in any way.
That’s the definition of a “parallel” universe, isn’t it? The lines never cross?
Then again, the whole Joey-in-for-Rummy gambit might just be baseless rumor:
http://www.warandpiece.com/blogdirs/004787.html
Or was Joey the guy who turned it down?
Sharoney @ 14
Great call response! Polite in letting the spiel play out, and direct in responding to it!!!
About the only thing for the next person who gets that call to add would be to direct the caller to a couple of recent FDL threads for a bit more education.
neurophius @ 15
There IS logic to what he’s saying. If chimpy’s assertion – that an Iranian state of Iraq is the unavoidable end result of withdrawal – is correct, we’re fucked. Because we certainly aren’t winning now, and it’s the only shot we have.
Of course, that’s why everybody said dont topple the regime. But Chimpy et al were too fucking determined to let reality get in the way. Now, it’s more of the same.
After the 2004 election, Joey Short Ride told Faux News that he would consider it, if the Preznit called on him to join the cabinet.
Since then, he’s pooh pooed the idea — kinda like his long lost new found criticism of the Preznit and Company.
Thank you, Peterr: coming from you, that’s high praise!
Sharoney @
14
I’d love to see a darkblack (or monk) take-off on the Mad Hatter’s Tea Party — called the Mad Insiders’ Pity Party — staring the DSCC, the DCCC, and the DLC.
Sharoney @ 14
Nice off-the-cuff rant! Damn. I simply can’t do that. I can only be forceful and biting with people who have been personally nasty to me…that or Republicans. ;)
I got a call from them last week and told them I was all tapped out presently having given every spare dollar to the Lamont campaign.
The guy on the other end chuckled and said he was from Massachusetts and they’d been getting a kick out of watching the CT primary. He said “Good for you, I completely understand.”
Here’s a question: If the Joe-as-SecDef scenario plays out, would his Republican replacement serve out his entire 6-year term, or just until the next congressional election cycle in 2008?
Dana Milbank sometimes strikes me as being a bit odd. For the want of a better word. Though not always. But. He is usually predictably stupid.
Eli @ 32
the entire damn 6-year term
Yeah, the thing about some leaders…they think leadership consists of an ability to see a parade and nip to the front of it.
I don’t get wee little Joey. The Democrats are pissed at him and tossed him overboard at the polls. So he starts his own little party up and runs around screeching how much he hates Bush and Republicans and stuff. So he disses the Pugs and the Dems tossed him over. Anyone see a death spiral here, or am I missing something?
UP #27:
My personal belief is that Shiaism isn’t monolithic and that a Shia Iraq, while no longer presenting an immediate threat to Iran, wouldn’t necessarily roll over and play dead for Tehran.
But that’s just me. If we and the Iranins believe in an Iranian-dominated Shia Crescent, both countries will act accordingly. I don’t think that’ll be good for either side or anyone standing in between.
*ilson46201 @ 36
Sonofabitch. I would say he would totally do it, except what does he do in 2008 if a Dem takes the White House?
(When is Dodd up again?)
Eli @ 38
get fired and get a job as a lobbyist …
By the by, the DSCC website lists Selfish Joe as an “Independent.” There is an Independent Party in Connecticut, according a comment on the Lamont blog, and Joe ain’t a member.
I sent the DSCC an email calling their attention to the error and telling them to correct it. I also emailed the Lamont campaign site.
Joe’s real campaign manager gives advice
get fired and get a job as a lobbyist …
He *really* likes being a Senator, though. I don’t think he’d trade 6 more years as a Senator for 2 more years as SecDef.
But I wouldn’t put it past him to run against Dodd.
If the DCCC (in the person of Rahm Emanual) has any brains, it is talking seriously with Chuck Schumer about the fact that his failure to play hardball with Joementum (i.e. taking him off the DSCC site, where it says he is a “Democrat running as an independent”, and directing serious resources into the Lamont campaign, and getting Reid et al. to agree to strip Joementum of his committee assignments, and helping to organize a parade of Democratic senators to go to Connecticut and campaign for Lamont…) is jeopardizing the three House seats that Rahm presumably cares more about than he does about the Senate seat. Or is it all about the cocktail weenies?
al-Scooter @ 37
while Shia may exist in both Persia and Mesopotamia, both areas have different histories and ethnicity (Persian and Arab)
Eli @ 42
If Lieberman were playing Everquest, he’d be a whiny ass Wood Elf Druid. He’d overnuke everything, die repeatedly, and then blame the group’s cleric hehe.
/em computer game geekery off!
Oilfieldguy @ 35
Yes, another interesting piece is that JL shows up on CNN’s Glen Beck show and agrees with everything Glen says, including that we’re already in WWIII. Part of the transcript is up on TPM Cafe.
Eli @ 38
I think it’s only until the next federal election. Remember Jean Carnahan? Her dead husband defeated John Ashcroft, and she was appointed to fill his seat in 2000 — but she was defeated in 2002.
neurophius @ 15
Hey, did you see Paul Hackett on Chris Matthews? Holy freakin’ crap he was on fire! I don’t even know who the hapless Repub running for Congress critter was, but between Hackett and Matthews they had the guy blubbering.
Matthews actually pressed it “So why are we at war with Iraq?” even after the guy tried to dismiss it with gibberish “talking points” about fighting the war on terror. Paul even said something to that effect in the background “nothing but talking points.”
I guarantee you that THAT will be a CrooksandLiars video. It was a sight to behold. I was actually laughing and clapping.
Oilfield guy says of Joey Low Road,
“Anyone see a death spiral here, or am I missing something?”
What you are missing is that by doing what he is doing, Joey is absolutely, without a doubt locking up the “Connecticut for Lieberman” Party nomination for President in 2008…
neurophius @ 49
Can someone else run in the CT for Lie party? if so, would they have to have a primary?
See, the problem is that the DCCC is still thinking about this race as though Lieberman were a Democrat, and that this is just a do-over of the primary. Apparently, they have forgotten that Republicans and unaffiliated voters can cross party lines to vote in the general, and that this “exciting” race is likely to bring out lots of GOP voters, too. Does the DCCC also think the Republican voters are only going to vote for Schlesinger?
I happened to be stuck in horrendous traffic leaving the office tonight, and was surfing through XM Radio for something to keep me from screaming, when I landed on Hardball, where Tweety was interviewing – again – Alan Schlesinger about the failure of the party to push his candidacy.
I was surprised to find out that Schlesinger may well be a joke, but he isn’t dumb. He knows exactly why the party isn’t coming out for him – because it works better for them to keep the focus on the “ultra-left wing” of the Democratic Party. Of course, Schlesinger also thinks that if he can get his numbers up into the 20’s, he has a real shot at…winning. It was good for a laugh, anyway.
Oklahoma kiddo @
33
He was pretty funny, though, when he wore an orange hunting vest the day after Cheney shot the guy.
Eli @ 42
he could always enlist in the army and fight his beloved endless “global war on terra”
he could enlist as
1) a consummate liar
2) a torturer
3) a saboteur
4) a snake handler(code for snake oil salesman)
5) a propagandist
6) a traitor
i could go on and on.
#12: “So we have got to find ways of working together on this: not everyone has Ghostman’s wisdom, dedication and thick hide,”
DannyBoy! Please! Saying these kinds of nice things about me will only earn you MAJOR negative points here! And….I’m chuckling as I type this, and with a twinkle in my eye. Thanks.
Onward…these guys at DCCC ought to just write a book on how to always be losers. Have they ever actually had to compete at anything? Ever had to put it all out on the line? I continue to shake my head at these mamby-pambies. What a bunch of little babies.
TRex chants ATTACK! He’s got it right…and I’ll gladly lead the way.
Ghostman
brb
Sharon W — yes, Hackett was terrific. We are reminded of how the Dem leadership forced Hackett out of his race, and now the guy looks like the kind of candidate that would be blowing away the Repubs if he’d remained the candidate.
One wonders what those ostrich see from down under.
dannyboy @
12
Yes, indeed. I am simply pea-green with envy of your eloquence. And, I’d say that about sums it up. Thank you.
One wonders what those ostrich see from down under.
Harry Truman spinning in his grave, probably.
sorry — I was wrong about the replacement Senator thing — the 17th Amendment says
so Joey’s replacement would serve until 2008 (actually Jan.3, 2009)
Oilfieldguy @ 55
Thanks for the head’s up. We’ll wait :)
just popped over to get a taste of the Glenn Greenwald that I’ve missed. His analysis of the reaction to the opinion on the NSA case is so good, I wish I could think and write like that. It’s so nice to be able to read these things easily again.
Early to bed tonight, pups, thanks for all your fine discussion. Be sweet.
Anne @ 51
I saw the interview. You’re right. The guy is no dummy and was perfectly articulate. I’m almost rooting for him figuring any votes he gets are a steal from Lieberman. It was nice of Matthews to give him a do-over after the gambling interview. Sometimes I feel, in an odd way, that Matthews knows what he’s doing. I got the distinct sense that Matthews really liked Lamont.
Schlesinger is saying they’ll debate in a three-way, and then just watch his poll numbers. I don’t know if one is actually scheduled or that’s just his wishful dream, however, I think Lieberman would be the man in the middle being hammered from both sides.
twolf1 @ 50
It’s not really technically a party…it’s just a special named “line” on the ballot. By doing it that way, he gets to be listed above the other “independents” with no parties out there. That’s my take on how it’s been explained by people more versed in CT election law anyway hehe.
So no, no one else can run in the CT for Lie party…but I still think HoJo will be McCain’s VP pick in ‘ought 8′.
KO on Countdown just repeated (and updated) his list of all of the Bush/Admin terror alerts and how they all closely followed and stepped on some bad news for the Administration. I liked the one where the AG says they have “specific” credible information of an imminent attack, but they don’t bother to bring in the head of Home Security or raise the alert/color level.
Well, a Republican replacement for two years would be less bad than six years, but still pretty bad, especially if it’s the difference between majority and minority.
Even more especially if Justice Stevens can’t hang in any longer (I wouldn’t be surprised if he *really* wants to retire but is afraid to, bless his heart).
A veritable pack of Wiley Coyote’s- “Super Geniuses”.
Appointed Senators have to run in the first federal election following the appointment – that would be 2008.
The scenario is scarier. Repubs play Joe like a fiddle, and get him elected. Rumsfeld has to resign for health reasons (or to spend more time with Andy Card’s children) and Lieberman is named SoD. Once re-elected, he has proven his point, and can go back to being front man for the administration.
Look, we all know Lieberman is 99% EGO, 1% human. SoD would feed that ego big-time. (pun intended) Not to mention the defense jobs for his asking in 2 years.
R governor appoints new R Senator. If it comes from the R sitting Congresscritters (don’t know the relationship between Shays, Johnson and Simmons and Rell) then she gets to put a new R in the Congress — someone people are not yet exasperated with.
IMHO, I think this is a perfect set-up for Nancy Johnson — who wouldn’t give up her seat to try for Senate.
Given this scenario, then Ned runs against Johnson in 2008 on the backdrop of a presidential election and no incumbent anywhere.
Boy, those Rs saw Lieberman coming, didn’t they?
Sharoney @ 14
My 76 year old mother, God love her, just responded in a simlar way to the DSCC fundraising letter she received, saying she was sending her contribution directly to Lamont.
I have a feeling they are getting similar feedback about sending money directly to the candidate of choice from all over the country.
Kurt says,
“So no, no one else can run in the CT for Lie party…but I still think HoJo will be McCain’s VP pick in ‘ought 8′.”
Joey talks a lot about how he bases his decisions and actions on his “principles.” [as if that makes supporting an immoral war, etc. somehow OK].
If he would accept a VP nomination from John McCain as well as from Al Gore, I wonder just what principles he can claim to be serving…
Well, this is just a bunch of twaddle from the DCCC.
And, dannyboy, I too have been thinking about the differing ways that people discuss things. I particularly was reminded of the “types” analysis- E/I N/S F/T P/J spectrum.
Source: http://keirsey.com/
“If I do not want what you want, please try not to tell me that my want is wrong.
“Or if I believe other than you, at least pause before you correct my view.
“Or if my emotion is less than yours, or more, given the same circumstances, try not to ask me to feel more strongly or weakly.
“Or yet if I act, or fail to act, in the manner of your design for action, let me be.
“I do not, for the moment at least, ask you to understand me. That will come only when you are willing to give up changing me into a copy of you.”
http://www.knowyourtype.com/
I have edited the list available above, to contrast how people may arrive at decisions. For example, some FDL commenters were definately “S” in their initial judgements as to the decision to go to war in Iraq:
People who prefer sensing may:
* solve problems by working through things thoroughly for a precise understanding
* be pragmatic and look to the “bottom line”
On the other hand, others, myself included, “knew” from the get go with about 5 minutes of thought that invading Iraq would be a really really bad idea.
People who prefer intuition may:
* solve problems through quick insight and through making leaps
* place great trust in insights, symbols, and metaphors and less in what is literally experienced
immanentize @
8
Good for him! Of course, he only tanked on *one* test, not a bunch of them in sucession.
VG #70: Any other INFPs in the house?
A vote for Ned is a vote for you!
A vote for Lieberman is a vote against you!
When you realize that “Joseph” is probably really pronounced “Joe-Self,” you understand that the only principles that matter are the ones he read about in a book that was probably titled, “Principles of Winning.”
Too bad that book is out of print, and out of date…
Or is Lieberman trying to set himself up for this?
His choice of words on CNN this afternoon certainly echoes those found there.
al-Scooter @ 72
Count me in!!! Luv ya!
al-Scooter- or did you figure that out already and were already counting me in? ;)
There seems to be something missing from the DCCC and DSCC — democracy.
Who are these people? Who died and made them king? I’ve been a supporter of Democratic Party candidates since 1968, when I went door to door for McCarthy, and never once have I been offered an opportunity to nominate, vote, or even discuss membership in these groups. Are DSC and DCCC members appointed? Elected? Named by Representatives and Senators? Or, perhaps, do they rise like Venus on the half-shell, pristine as wind blown foam?
VG #76: I knew it!! You rock!
The response Jane quoted speaks for itself. I should point out, though, that it actually represents an individual response to my first outraged shriek in which I asked what sort of party would tolerate someone not playing by the rules of his own party?
The first response to me was so over-the-top it left me shaken. I had written to both the DCCC and the DSCC concerning the Ct. senatorial race, articulating my concern that the failure of the Democratic party to attack Lieberman and force him to withdraw (or render him a worthless candidate) made much more difficult the task to securing three new Congressional seats this year for the Dems in Ct. alone.
The DSCC hasn’t bothered to respond. The DCCC first responded by saying it was policy not to comment on Senatorial races since they were the Congressional candidates organization.
That was the response that left me dumbfounded with anger and despair. I vented a bit more and received the reply Jane quoted. I think it was meant to empathize with and reassure me.
I’m grateful someone took the effort to respond. I’m equally sure whoever it may have been was constrained by policy from saying more.
What a terrible shame.
immanentize -
AARRGGHH!!!
there is a slim chance some of them actually believe it – though this little commenter can smell the cya stench here in Texas
proffering up dreck about an exciting and dynamic race that will energize Connedicut dems tells me they still have their foot nailed to the floor . . . and are perfectly willing to lose those 3 seats rather than admit error
al-Scooter @ 72
I think that is where I ended up the last time I looked into it. I know for sure on the N and the P, tend to swing I and E depending on circumstances. Not sure about the F, but folks who know me have said “What do you mean you’re not F?”
so count me in too!
And, I think I can name at least one ISTJ!!!
Re Lieberman following Rumsfeld . . .
I’m rooting for Ned, big time, but if Joe does win and then Rummy resigns and Bush wants Holy Joe in the cabinet, it’s not a slam dunk. To be more specific, Joe would have to get through the Senate confirmation process.
Hmmm . . . Senate Armed Services committee . . . Do you think Ted Kennedy and Robert Byrd might have a few rather pointed questions to ask? How about Hillary? Maybe a new Democratic member of the senate (Claire McCaskill?) might be on the committee, and want to ask Joe about his thoughts regarding torture, secret rendition, warrantless wiretapping, Gitmo, . . .
Like I said, I don’t want to see Ned lose, but seeing Joe turning on a spit during a nomination would be a thing to behold. If he stiffs the party and screws up the efforts of the Dem House candidates in CT to win, that hypothetical confirmation hearing would be bloody. Someone might even mount a fillibuster . . .
al-Scooter- do you realize what a minority “party” we are? It is really painful sometimes!!!!
hah, Keith Olberman, just had to hand off to Rita Cosby, who is subbing for Scarborough. The contempt was palpable.
KO just smiled as RC gave her breathless Jon-Benet update. Priceless.
Scott Darroch @ 78
Elected Democratic Senators are the ‘members’ of the DSCC —- elected Democratic Representatives are the ‘members’ of the DCCC. They run each organization.
I just have to say that any Democrat who airs a campaign ad for public consumption yet cannot identify themselves as a Democrat is a total coward. No amount of ambiguity on that score is worth our attention or trust.
Valley Girl @ 85
I was glad to see y’all speaking up on the emotional issues – it was getting difficult to read some of the comments.
Here is a copy of my e-mail to the DCCC:
“When is the DCCC going to throw its support behind Ned Lamont instead of protecting turncoat Lieberman?
Is this yet another case of the Democratic Party leadership Good Old Boys’ syndrome?
Lieberman is the de facto candidate of the Republican party. His campaign has hired GOP fundraisers. The Veteran for Freedom group (Swiftboarders reincarnated) is running ads for him. He has been endorsed by unsavoury characters like Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, and Sean Hannity. Just this morning, he was on Glenn Beck talkshow, agreeing with everything Beck said. Beck is a radical right-winger, a racist, and a war-monger. Lieberman is being praised by Dick Cheney and Karl Rove.
Lieberman had the nerve to equate a vote for Lamont to a vote for terrorists. His campaign is using race-baiting (the appearance of Jesse Helm and Al Sharpton with Ned Lamont).
Lieberman’s decision to run as an Independent after he lost the nomination, is an affront to the Democratic voters of CT, the Democratic Party, and the voting process in general.
Lieberman is endangering three Congressional races in CT, thus endangering the Democrats’ chances of regaining the House.
You have seen with Ned Lamont what a fed-up and angry public can do when it mobilizes.
If you refuse to repudiate Lieberman, you will be putting party above country. If the Democrats fail to regain control of the House because of their kid-glove treatment of Lieberman, you will have in effect condemned Americans to many more years of reckless, insane, and costly policies.
And you will pay for it dearly in 2008. We are in a fight for our lives in the face of a monstruous government. I can assure you that we will be pushing for a third-party candidate, and that we will throw all our money and our efforts behind that candidate.
Your spineless policy of caving to the Bush Administration over the past six years has caused untold hardship for millions of Americans. You owe us.”
I am so angry.
VG #77:
I could tell from your “relationship” to/with your magnum opus over the last few months plus the way you’d agonize over moderation quality (You were ‘way hard on yourself trying to do the right thing by everybody.).
Anyway, you’re not alone.
astralplame- the E/I thing doesn’t have to do with how you comport yourself- it has to do with where you get your energy. Can’t remember the exact def. now, but do you feel energized when you get to spend time alone to reflect (I) or do you feel energized when you meet with others (E).
ENTP
I’ll….disagree/offer alternative view…to the idea that BushCo would put HoJo in as SecDef. I think the WH views HoJo as a useful tool…nothing less and nothing more. And, I believe that this is still a “control-freak” WH. They wouldn’t trust a loose cannon such as HoJo, full of his own ego, to enter the inner circle.
For HoJo, I think his fate is simple. Either he wins in Nov., or else he gets a job as a lobby guy or think-tanker.
Ghostman
Valley Girl @ 91
for the most part, dealing with other people is going to make me tired. there is a narrow range of topics where I get quite energized when talking with other people, but for the most part, I stay clear of parties and bars.
al-Scooter- oh, you are so very sweet. And, yes I did agonize about moderation and that ultimately did me in- or, at least I realized that I couldn’t spent so much time and agony. xxooo.
Scott Darroch @ 78
Ditto – my first involvement in Dem politics was in 1968 for McCarthy. I can’t believe what has happened to our party in the past 20 years.
immanentize @ 92
imm- are you sure about the T part? Somehow I just don’t see you defending those Texas death row people with a T- F I would have guessed, for justice.
VG #91:
Exactly right – Extroverts gain energy from interactions with others; Introverts have energy drained by those interactions.
astralplame, now I understand the name!
dab from CT @ 96
Not to be picky, but that’s almost FORTY years. ;)
*ilson46201 @ 87 — many thanks for the information. I’ll be communicating my thought on the DSCC and DCCC’s unbelievable arrogance and stupidity to my Representative and Senator starting right now…
al-Scooter @ 98
the name is funny – “astral” is not the sort of thing I would normally come up with. Toyed with “happenstood” and “naughtybynurture”. But I was looking for an ID just for FDL (since I wear many disguises all over the place), and something with “plame” seemed the way to go. And what do you know, the astral part started seeming to feel just right after a short time.
astralplame- looks like a clear I to me. That’s not to say that you or I can’t be witty and engaging and the life of the party at times- but that is not where we get our energy. And, also, F. Love that. xxoo
Ghostman #93:
I hope you’re right partly because of the politics but mostly because he actually might be worse than Rummy, who at least has enough smarts to not want to do Iran. Joey’s never served – all he knows about the military is siphoning the pork to make himself look good.
headed home – back on the boards in a little while.
*smiles to all!*
I would be interested in knowing how the chairs of the DCCC and DSCC are selected. Does the (majority/minority) leader appoint them, or do the reps or senators actually vote on them?
ENFP
[sniff] Feel so lonely…
VG, I am very cuspy both on T/F and P/J. This past year I also did a lot of management DISC assessments. VERY “D”
al-scooter: how do you know Rummy doesn’t want to do Iran?
Rayne, I’m witcha!
Sharoney@14:
My sentiments exactly though I am still on Democracy Bonds checkoff, I am on the edge of giving up. If the party acted in concert and with determination they could force this idiot out of the race.
There are many, many good Democrats and there is no other choice, but I am not impressed by their lack of action against Lieberman. The quote given in the original post suggests that they still think that he is a Democrat when he clearly has no interest in being one.
Urban Pirate @ 99
Gee – the 20 year reference was not to 1968 but to the late 1980’s when Dems were in power in Congress and about to elect a Dem president
Will try to be more concise – thanks for the math lesson
lina @ 108
Because he would prefer to Iwalk?
neurophius @ 105
I’ve got a similar question. Who decides who delivers the Dem response to Bush’s weekend radio address? Anybody know?
Rayne, one of my very best friends is an ENFP. We taught a university extension course together one semester, and after every class she was ready to par-tay and I felt like I could just drape myself over a towel rack. We were a great team.
agreed on all said by Scooter, 103. HoJo doesn’t know his ass from a hole in the ground on Defense matters. Probably applies to him in general as well….chuckle.
Ghostman
Rayne @ 106
Don’t feel bad, I’m an INTJ. No one understands us except our cats hehe.
immanentize @ 107
imm- what is this DISC thing? I have not heard of that. My take- you are J in the courtroom, and P in the writing. Maybe there is also some circumstance-specific dichotomy with the T/F thing. Or maybe you use T to justify F? Male thing?
Scott Darroch @ 78
That’s a very good question.
Cozumel
I don’t know how the Democratic Response speakers are selected. That is a good question. Perhaps by the DNC? I would say by the Democratic congressional leadership but I can think of one instance where they had the governor of Virginia do it…not who I would expect the House/Senate leadership to pick.
ENFJ here…I think.
Ghostman @ 115
But Rummy has presided over the biggest geopolitical stragegic blunder in U.S. history. It’s hard to imagine anyone being worse than Rummy. Mrs. HoJo would do a better job.
lina #108:
Sorry, I don’t have a link handy, but I’m pretty sure that Laura Rozen at War and Piece (among others) who have well-placed sources are saying that Rummy understands what the Pentagon brass is telling him: Iran could get really ugly, given that we have ~ 130,000
troopshostages sitting in now-Shia-dominated Iraq. The neocons make their own “reality”, so they don’t care. But supposedly that’s the reason that Rummy might be on his way out, because for once he’s advocating the sensible position.al-Scooter: “after every class she was ready to par-tay and I felt like I could just drape myself over a towel rack” omigod!!!!! You have just made it into the VG pantheon as author of THE most true and hilarious comment I have read at FDL!!!!!
Cozumel @ 113
I thought it was Kos who decided these things.
All right, who knows the Meyers-Briggs stuff well enough to make an educated guess what Joe Lieberman is–and why you think so?
Wonderful Greenwald post!
VG #123: I’m speechless – thank you!!
Swopa says
“I thought it was Kos who decided these things.”
Does anyone know Kos well enough to ask him to please kick Schumer in the ass and have him take Joey Low Road off the DSCC site (or at least delete the word “Democrat”)?
121, lina: hmmmm. Kinda hard for me to refute your point!
Ghostman
Uhhhhh, riiiight, suuurrre … who makes us weaker?
INFJ is my “N” take. Will post rationale later, if can think of it. Great question!!!
LindyH @
118
The DSCC members are the elected Democratic Senators — the members of the DCCC are the elected Democratic Representatives. Each side of The Hill runs their own election cmte. The GOP has the same parallel setup.
fwiw, there’s also Democratic Governors Association that runs fundraisers for governors and also a National Democratic State Legislature Assn that does the same for state legislatures …
Thus there are five national Democratic official organizations, each one is specialized except for the DNC which focusses on state party-building and the national Presidential campaigns…
neurophius @ 119
Wasn’t the Governor of Virginia after the SOTU?
Probably the same ‘picker’ for the weekly radio stuff I guess.
al-Scooter- oh, thank you! Your comment so much summed up my academic life, and it is so truly quoteable!!!
Hey Cozumel —
T-minus 150 minutes ’til Happy Happy. If I am not there, consider yourself, Birthday-ed.
Ghostman, you’re welcome. I was very touched by your posting on the last thread; as always, I pay close attention to what you have to say — and I’m sure I’m not the only one!
Swopa @ 124
LOL I forgot ; )
I can never remember my Meyers-Brigg thingie but it seems to describe me awfully well (whatever it is)
imm- and please don’t forget to respond to my #117 (or thereabouts). xxoo
immanentize @ 92
INTP.
Can we still be friends? :)
*ilson- you are so sly, sometimes!
al-Scooter — heh. I don’t know about ENFP’s and the par-tay part, but pondering that after a weekend of gin and tequila and BBQ, maybe it’s just pangs of regret kicking in.
Kurt — I fear no INTJ. Heck, I sleep with one. Actually, I think as he’s gotten older and more confident and comfortable in his skin, he’s more of a ENTJ than he was when I first met him. Linearity is the ticket; I like that I can predict his response to a situation because he is pretty linear (A, then B, then C…and watch out if you skip B without adequate data to support that skip).
and while Joe may be delusional, I don’t think he’s stupid. You would have to be sorely lacking in brain wattage to take over the current Defense Dept. – shambles that it is.
Valley Girl — for she who wants to know:
DiSC
imm- I will check out the link, but what about the rest of my comment?
Some days I feel one way and some days I feel another. How is it possible to “brand” one with four letters?
INFJ here – (But also vacillate between I and E at different times).
Aquarius K
(A, then B, then C…and watch out if you skip B without adequate data to support that skip).
I try to look before making conceptual leaps, but sometimes I forget and have to get the Neosporin and Ace Bandages.
You guys are so very far above my head with this stuff, which truly is not that difficult.
al-Scooter @
72
Only on Thursdays. The rest of the week, I am an INTP! Actually I came out as an INFP the first time I was Myers-Briggs-ed. Seem to have changed with time.
VG, I think you are right about the environmental aspect of the P/J for me. But more and more, I am in my head and the T is stronger than the F — well, until those moments when it isn’t.
I really ought to try the M/B assessment again (haven’y for maybe 7 years). We used to give it to some of our death row clients just to try and enhance communication. I am not so sure it is useful as a personality indicator, but it is very useful as a communication guide.
immanentize @ 135
Thanks. Neat video, never heard of them before! lol The radio stations around these here parts suck. Just classic rock and 80’s -90’s mix stuff.
Okay, firepups, I told you that CrooksandLiars would pick this up. You’ve absolutely got to watch Paul Hackett on Hardball.
Believe me, you’ll be thrilled that you did. :) This is one of the best smackdowns ever!
Rayne #142: Regret what? No Pepto? All the rest sounds like heaven to me!
VG #134: I don’t know how you do it. I taught in an accelerated program for foreign students, so there was a certain amount of culture shock to overcome, plus getting the cultures to work together, but mostly it was four hours a night for 10 straight weeknights. You’re my hero!
Oilfieldguy @ 146
Good point – I question this too, though I guess some folks find this a useful shorthand.
Oilfieldguy: It’s all poppycock. You might as well rely on astrology.
Rayne @ 142
The type seems to be pretty logical and pretty decisive. I used to work with 2 wonderful people, who happened to be Libras. We loved to go out to lunch together. But choosing where to eat lunch. Uh. Mah. Gawd. They would spend 3 hours before hand, of hand wringing about it hehe. And would never pick a spot for lunch. So I’d declare the lunch location to be Pizza Hut! After a few weeks of Pizza Hut…and me saying that it was going to be Pizza Hut forever from then on, if I had to choose…I finally got them to say where they wanted to go hehe.
It was either that or me always feeling guilty for always being the one to Deciderate :)
fern #150: Gotta run to dinner, but people often flex their styles. I can get really T doing analytics and really J when I can’t put off decisions any longer. :-)
al-Scooter — maybe you’re like my spouse, then. I noticed as he become more E than I, he learned to take more risks. And of course, earned a few more boo-boos.
But it sure beats the other extreme. Sheesh, I know you’re supposed to measure twice, cut once, but damnitall, it’s not supposed to take a half hour to try on and decide whether to buy a dress shirt.
I think I see. VG put up a link to a Myers-Briggs personality test. Is there a fee?
Must be getting on towards 5 a.m. in Iraq. Dawn soon. Wilson reports temps expected to be approx. 115 degrees over there. And our President thinks he’s transforming the Middle East.
Ghostman
egregious @
140
Without any doubt whatsoever. As WAR said/sang:
OFG-
I/E has to do with where you get your enery.Valley Girl @ 91
N/S has to do with how you make decisions- rely on your own gut instincts (N) or read all about it (S) before coming to a conclusion.
T/F Also has to do with how you make decisions- based on logical outcome (T) or what you feel is right (F)
P/J Has to do with how you take in information- P= always awaiting new information vs. J= quick to act.
Sorry this above is not entirely correct according to experts, I’m sure, but is what I remember.
Ghostman says
“And our President thinks he’s transforming the Middle East.”
If that’s really his goal, he’d better get his ass over there. I would imagine there is a lot of brush to be cleared.
Another dawn of the dead in Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Gaza, Sudan, etc.
;(
SharonW @ 154
I’m thinking that’s why Lieberman has been noticably absent on Hardball since the primary. Matthews would rip him a new one, and he knows it ; ) lol
Cozumel — The Sugarcubes were a late-’80’s early ’90’s band. But the lead singer (in the red dress on the vid) is a star in her own right now: Bjork.
Very great command of her voice. Icelandic, you know….
Maybe I should let someone do a Dr. Phil Psych 101 drive-by analysis on me. What type is a roughneck/playwright/truckdriver/marketing exec/truckdriver/poet/realtor/journalist/crane operator?
commitment phobic? creature of Wreckonomics?
Back when I was teaching in pre-employment programs, we always did Myers-Briggs with the participants – a good tool for people who weren’t used to self-reflection but needed to learn how to communicate better.
They were always surprised that I was an introvert, because of course I was doing the out-there show-time teaching thing. One of the groups decided that what I was was a noisy introvert – made sense to them, and made sense to me. Course the shouw-time thing nearly killed me, even though I’m a good teacher, and sometimes I still miss it.
You know, I think our Joey-Bear vacillates between an ISTJ and an ESTJ.
The ticket here is that the guy is all about the rules. The problem is that the rules he follows aren’t the rules understood by the majority of his constituents in CT. They are the rules by which his peer group lives.
The question here is: Who is Joey’s peer group?
It sure as hell ain’t the state of Connecticut.
OFG: I don’t “do” personality tests. My hunch on you is….a man could have a beer with you. Even factoring in the state from which you hail….chuckle.
Ghostman
Oilfieldguy @ 168
Victim of Myth.
:~)
OFG:
Dr. Phil would say “how’s all that workin’ for you?”
way way OT: 40 years ago I learned the limits to academic freedom and research. I had access to the main giant science research computer at Indiana U. In retrospect it was as powerful as an Apple II. Anyways, I was starting to program it to do astrology charts. The computer was funded thru the astronomy dept with its grants — the astronomers put a kibosh on the use of their machine for astrology … oh well …
OFG — I think you’ve described an artisan who works at what he has to, to be able to do what moves him from time to time.
Maybe an ISTP?
Thanks imm!
Cozumel @ 166
Yeah, I swear that Matthews was fired up by the Lamont win. I saw him get all effusey (yes, effusey, my word) about it. :D
VG,
that actually sounds like reasonable stuff to me. I would have to look at it tor a bit to figure out where I am. Notwithstanding my prior snark. I’m sure lot’s of people worked very hard to come up with these ‘guidelines’. I like to think things through, and even when a decision is made, I continually debate myself. I don’t see this as being insecure. Knowing all options makes a decision very difficult. Simple minded people do not have this problem.
“A commander in chief must not waiver,” Preznit Dumya.
OFG — Fascinating, and bright.
And yes, FirePups, that video of Hackett-Matthews is incredible. You NEED to watch it, like a feeding frenzy.
Ghostman @ 171
Spoken like one who hails from Baja Oklahoma ;)
Thwack. I just got an arrow in my Baja hide. Can’t say I didn’t ask for it! Be safe out there, OFG.
Ghostman
lina @ 173
Workin’? If I can’t get it all done in 24 hours, I’ll have to start workin’ nights.
I’ll be debt free in Feb. Five years of beans and water gravy.
dab from CT @ 112
I’m sorry if you misunderstood, Dab. I wasn’t poking fun at your math. I was poking fun at your AGE. :)
I was also just being playful. Sorry if I offended. Seriously.
imm-
VG, I think you are right about the environmental aspect of the P/J for me. But more and more, I am in my head and the T is stronger than the F — well, until those moments when it isn’t.
http://www.personalitypathways…..tory2.html
Feeling types seek continuity through harmonious relationships and collective values. They excel at picking up on the tone of a situation and acting accordingly, adding warmth to a cool setting or turning sour into sweet. They will naturally seek to know what people do well, what they enjoy, where and how they work, and understand what they need in order to make the appropriate connections with other people. They weave and strengthen the collective fabric of social conventions and interactions.
Thinking: Many find competition to be stimulating and fun. “These are the rules of the game now let us play.” Fairness is sharing and respecting the same set of rules, so may the best one win. And since they readily acknowledge that there will be a winner and a loser, they would simply much rather be the winner. So they hone their strategies on the fine knife of experience and sharpen their skills to meet the next challenge head on.
They love having greater challenges bestowed on them as a result of having successfully met the last, as this attests to their competence and skills. They appear dispassionate because of their impersonal and objective approach, but close observation will reveal deep passion and enthusiasm as well as sensitivity, especially to cherished ones. However they expect others to roll up their sleeves as they do and meet the task in spite of personal hardships or discomfort.
Maybe soon I will be able to find out just who the hell I am.
RE: MBTI. I find that the older I get the more I can choose which side of each continuum I will work from, depending on the circumstances, what is needed, how much time I have, and the tendencies of the other members of a team/work group.
I like challenges, and thrive most under extreme conditions. Man v. world type of thing. I really suck when things are going good. Self sabotage is a problem with me.
VG I staddle those two daily. Thanks for thinking of me….
Valley Girl @ 131
Rayne @ 170
Oilfieldguy @ 183
My hat’s off to you. If you eat corn, beans and rice, you get every nutrient you need, forever.
I think the Lamont primary win was not only a shot over the bow of the USS Republican, but also rang the alarm at the Democrats firehouse. There is a feeling of the calm before the storm as we are headed for the November elections. With the voters so overwhelmingly against the war, the only way to claim victory is by opposing the war. I cannot see how Lieberman will be elected in this environment. Even the Republicans are turning away from the war, so don’t take the Republican vote for Lieberman for granted.
How all that affects the fate of the three contested races in Connecticut is hard to predict. As long as the candidates take a solid anti-war stand, they should benefit from Ned Lamont’s coattails.
MyLeftNutmeg has up a trend line on the Ct. Polls, among other stories.
http://www.myleftnutmeg.com/fr…..2DE61C48AE
Re Hardball: I wish someone would tell their researchers, whenever they show that video clip of Cheney talking about Atta meeting with an Iraqi agent in Prague, that the FBI has credit card receipts showing Atta in South Carolina at the time he was supposed to be in Prague. I believe it’s all in the 9/11 commission report.
CHRIS — DO YOU HEAR ME???
immanentize @ 189
imm- I do too. But the question is, which would you prefer in the best of worlds? All of us here probably have the chamelon (sp?) ability to work in different “so what do I gotta do now?” contexts, but if I remember correctly, the issue is “what would I prefer?” Maybe I am wrong in this bec. I have not taken the MBTI test in a while- nonetheless, it does provide some food for thought as one compares preferences vs. acquired abilities, if you see what I mean.
Someone needs to ask the DLCC/DSCC/DCCC folks if they’re Lamont Democrats or Lieberman Democrats. Then we can light fires under the appropriate rear ends!
Titanyum- so much hope that your analysis is correct.
One opinion that I might add to the ongoing conversation regarding advertisements…As repugnant as it may be to virtuous types who proudly walk the high road, there are times in any campaign where one must be prepared to utterly vilify one’s opponent.
The success of the rationale used within oneself for the justification of such vilification is in direct proportion to the amount of mental acuity used within the method.
To merely fling mud and feces with frothy glee is not enough, and runs the risk of cheapening the victory through an irredeemable taint borne hard within one’s soul.
One must have a sense of style, and iron resolve…And the poet’s taste for vengeance.
Coulrophobics beware…It’s Trickywise!
‘No time for floating’
;>)
VG 7:13 pm — yeah, I thought “I” too, for exactly the same reasons, but he seems to thrive on action with his buddies in the beltway. If you watch him on the Senate floor with his peeps, he’s very chummy. He could swing both ways, I guess.
And what you interpreted as feeling, I interpreted as thinking. He just doesn’t seem like the feeling kind of guy; he’s less put out by constituents being angry with him than he is that they are playing by the rules and simply renewing his “peerage”. He thinks the war is going just fine, based on the information he’s been fed — but he doesn’t feel for the troops or their families or for Iraqis or for the American public.
lina @ 195
I’d like to know who
fabricatedbroke that story in the first place. And then, after the anthrax attacks here embelished it to include that the Iraq Intel officer was seen handing Atta a vial of something!?Cozumel @ 200
Good question.
It drove me crazy yesterday watching Tweety interview Santorum on this subject.
Rayne #199:
Even though most successful pols are E, Joey seems to have to work at pressing the flesh. Pending more data, I’m thinkin’ I. Bill Clinton, now there’s an E .
PJEvans- but this was so frustrating for me: According to the friend I stayed with in CT, she had gotten robocalls on behalf of Joe from Rosa DeLauro. Also, Rosa DeLauro offered Joey her resources for contacting voters. I asked “what is she thinking”. Friend said, oh, it doesn’t mean anything, this is just what “they” have to do. At the same time, my friend was pissed off that the Lamont/Lieberman race was taking attention away from the D campaign push for the 3 House seats. And, friend is very involved in the race for the 3 house seats, and says DeLauro has been key to organizing the Nov. GOTV effort for this. Up is down. Down is up. I just don’t get it!!!!
Hey, can mods kill linkback comments? I guess I never noticed if they could. This, um, “American Future” doesn’t seem to be able to READ the POST that accompanies a picture.
Rayne @
205
I usually quickly delete such linkbacks from wingers…its gone now
Rayne- still we two for weighing in on type Joey! And sorry my comment didn’t have the proper formatting- I still haven’t mastered the “quote” thingy. But, having read your response, I will go with your T assessment.
Now, howsa bout GWB? Safe to say “none of the above”? ;)
al-Scooter: “Bill Clinton, now there’s an E.”
You are so absolutely correct on that one!!!
W = ENFJ?
W=JERK?
*ilson, did you see the “I second that” sentiment from lotus on prior thread, asking that you write an article about your campaigning experiences/ savvy? Please???
Nice picture of President Idiot…or is that Cheney…er, Allen….
No, I got it!
It’s Loserman speaking to his party of one.
al-Scooter @ 209
al-Scooter, and why, might I ask, to you want to clutter your beautiful mind by even considering the question? ;) ;)
W=JERK?
Yeah, we’re just playing around with how the personality presents. There’s so much pathology, it’s kinda hard to know where to start.
Do you all know that you are double-EPU’d?
Possible title for *ilson post.
*ilsons picketts
VG #213:
There might be a TV pilot here – CSI:W
Jane’s two threads ahead of us, though, so I don’t think we can get her professional opinion.
This sounded so much like the *ilson we know and love:
Plain Dealer
“On Aug. 7, the day Ney dropped out amid a federal bribery investigation, a national Democratic operative snapped up Internet domains he figured Padgett would want. Records of domain registrations show that Josh McConaha, the Democratic National Committee’s Internet director, now controls http://www.padgett2006.com and http://www.padgettforcongress.com.
Not that he’s using them for much. Go to the sites and you get bounced to http://www.zackspace.org – the Web site of the district’s Democratic congressional candidate, Zack Space.
“We seized on the opportunity,” said Democratic spokesman Mark Paustenbach.”[….]
Margot #218: Classic!
neuro #215: Pressure’s off here in the double-EPU zone.
Rayne @ 171
Good point. Most CT folk don’t “understand” the rules, and we don’t care–though slightly puzzled. Those of us who are aware of peerage type rules are even more p.o.’ed. HoJo’s high on his own gasoline. Maybe he really does think he’s Winston Churchill? Nah . . . .