
(White House photo by David Bohrer, under the header "President Bush, Secretary Rumsfeld Discuss Progress in Iraq," from August 2003.)
That was then:
Q Mr. President, what's your response to the Democrats, including Al Gore yesterday, and some of the Democratic presidential candidates, who say that the American people were misled in advance of the war about the reasons for going to war -- that you said, disarming Iraq was the main purpose, but since then, no weapons of mass destruction have been found?...THE PRESIDENT: No, it's just pure politics. We've got a lot of people running for President and it's pure politics. The American people know that we laid out the facts, we based the decision on sound intelligence and they also know we've only been there for a hundred days. And we're making progress. A free Iraq is necessary for a -- is an integral part of the war on terror. And as far as all this political noise, it's going to get worse as time goes on, and I fully understand that. And that's just the nature of democracy. Sometimes pure politics enters into the rhetoric. (emphasis mine)
This is now:
BUSH: The strategy is to help the Iraqi people achieve their objectives and their dreams, which is a democratic society. That's the strategy. The tactics -- now, either you say, yes, it's important that we stay there and get it done; or we leave. We're not leaving so long as I'm the president. That would be a huge mistake....[BUSH:] I agree with General Abizaid. We leave before the mission is done, the terrorists will follow us here.
And so we have changed tactics. Our commanders have got the flexibility necessary to change tactics on the ground, starting with Plan Baghdad, and that's when we moved troops from Mosul into Baghdad and replaced with the Stryker Brigade. So in essence we increased troops during this time of instability....
[BUSH:] Now look, part of the reason we went into Iraq was -- the main reason we went into Iraq, at the time, was we thought he had weapons of mass destruction. It turns out he didn't, but he had the capacity to make weapons of mass destruction....
[BUSH:] You know, I've heard this theory about, you know, everything was just fine until we arrived and -- you know, the stir-up-the-hornet's- nest theory. It just doesn't hold water, as far as I'm concerned.
The terrorists attacked us and killed 3,000 of our citizens before we started the freedom agenda in the Middle East. They were ...
QUESTION: What did Iraqi have to do with that?
BUSH: What did Iraq have to do with what?
QUESTION: The attacks upon the World Trade Center.
BUSH: Nothing. Except for it's part of -- and nobody's ever suggested in this administration that Saddam Hussein ordered the attack. Iraq was a -- Iraq -- the lesson of September the 11th is: Take threats before they fully materialize, Ken.
Nobody's ever suggested that the attacks of September the 11th were ordered by Iraq. I have suggested, however, that resentment and the lack of hope create the breeding grounds for terrorists who are willing to use suiciders to kill, to achieve an objective. I have made that case.
And one way to defeat that -- you know, defeat resentment -- is with hope. And the best way to do hope is through a form of government.... (emphasis mine)
What we have here, ladies and gentlemen, is a President who has had to face no accountability from the Republican-controlled Congress for his piss poor decisions -- because the Rubber Stamp Republican Congress is more interested in adding more pork to the budget and funnelling more no-bid contracts to cronies and then looking the other way at Administration mistakes.
Shorter Bush: "We're not leaving Iraq while I'm President, because that would mean that I would have to admit it was my mistake."
What George Bush has yet to admit out loud -- or perhaps even to himself at all -- is that you cannot impose a form of government on a nation from the outside. It has to come from inside the nation itself. That this is a truism that has been voiced repeatedly in political theory for...well, forever, is apparently lost on W. (Watch the video at C&L, and see if he doesn't look befuddled and lost.)
Alexis de Tocqueville's influential tome, "Democracy in America," for example, was a means of exporting the ideas inherent in our nation's early, exhuberant democracy to France and other older European monarchies, allowing these concepts to percolate and take root among the masses, which then took various nations (including France) through convoluted periods of reform -- none of which were imposed from the outside by another government.
What the neocons fail to comprehend, and this is basic political theory to be honest, is that it is the ideas that must be fully absorbed by the populace, and not just absorbed but truly ingrained to a degree that they are willing to fight to obtain that idea for themselves, at many levels of the society at one time. You cannot force someone to believe in an idea in their heart via the barrel of a gun. Many of the Iraqis (and Afghans for that matter) want some form of representative government -- but the form of that government is theirs to decide -- not ours. And we may not like the result. (President Perpetually on Vacation also fails to acknowledge this, as though the American public will not notice that the Iraqi governmental trend is more fundamentalist Islamic than secular, much to the detriment of women all over that nation.)
You see the difference between a self-determined governmental structure and what we are trying to impose in a top down, militarily-enforced structure in Iraq, right? Well, that puts you way ahead of Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld.
And what the Republican-controlled Congress has yet to admit to themselves is that they are just as responsible for these failures as the President of the United States. Just as Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Condi Rice, and all the other sycophantic enabling minions are culpable and complicit in these failures as well.
Think back to where we were immediately after 9/11. The leading French newspaper proclaimed that "We Are All Americans." Many nations which had never before cooperated with our intelligence agencies stood up and offered to help us track down Bin Laden and the other masterminds behind the fall of the Twin Towers and the hijacking of our aircraft. Nations that had held us in the highest contempt for decades saw their populace holding state-sanctioned candlelight vigils and other commemorative ceremonies in honor of those killed in the terrorist attacks.
I'm not saying it was all flowers and candy and a huge love-fest (because, frankly, only an imbecile would think you got that from a formerly hostile group of...oh...wait), but the momentum was in our favor at that point and we had a much more open door to information that we critically needed to ensure our safety -- not just abroad, but here in this nation day in and day out for the long-term -- because there was a sense of shared responsibility among a majority of nations for the prevention of such a terror event from ever happening again on anyone's watch.
When we entered Afghanistan to clear out the viper's nest of al Qaeda and their surrogate government via the Taliban, we had the world's support in doing so.
And what did we do? We squandered all of that good will, threw caution to the wind, and doubled down on a bet that no one but a sucker would take -- and invaded Iraq. Without laying the groundwork diplomatically, and dismissively shoving aside valid concerns and real questions concerning the veracity of the Chalabi-dumped intel on which we were relying for justification of our actions. Concerns that turned out to be accurate, in the end, and our pig-headed insistence on going to war on spotty information has done real damage to our credibility, and to our ability to be perceived as any sort of honest broker. We are now the nation who cried wolf.
The Bush Administration invaded Iraq with no real plan for the aftermath of the quick invasion. With no means to guard any of the important buildings to prevent looting. Leaving arms depots open for insurgent factions to steal from at will, and then turn around and use the same ammo on our troops -- for the last three years. And with no real plan for dealing with a protracted insurgency while at the same time attempting to rebuild the decayed infrastructure -- no plan whatsoever.
It is long past time that there was some accountability and some answers for every one of the piss poor decisions that led us down this long, wrong road.
This past weekend, I grabbed a little time to re-read the Jane Mayer article on David Addington in the 7/3/06 issue of The New Yorker. (It's still not online that I could find, but I want to show a specific point here, so I'm going to quote a short passage.)
...The Iran-Contra scandal substantially weakened Reagan's popularity and, eventually, seven people were convicted of seventeen felonies. Cheney, who was then a Republican congressman from Wyoming, worried that the scandal would further undercut Presidential authority. In late 1986, he became the ranking Republican on a House select committee that was investigating the scandal, and he commissioned a report on Reagan's support of the Contras. Addington, who had become an expert in intelligence law, contributed legal research....The report also defended the legality of ignoring congressional intelligence oversight, arguing that "the President has the Constitutional and statutory authority to withhold notifying Congress of covert actions under rare conditions." And it condemned "legislative hostage-taking," noting that "Congress must realize...that the power of the purse does not make it supreme" in matters of war....
Prior to working as Cheney's counsel in the research of this report, Addington had been counsel to the CIA chief who cooked up the scheme to fund the Contras behind Congress' back in the first place. Is there any wonder why we are where we are at this moment in the Administration's history? Is it any wonder that Doug Feith got to set up his merry band of intel cronies to cook the books for an invasion of Iraq at Dick Cheney and Don Rumsfeld's behest -- and without any real oversight by Congress whatsoever?
The bottom line is this: whether it was bad legal advice, bad advisors or bad ideas, the ultimate responsibility for all of the failure rests on George Bush's desk. He hired this entire Administration full of zealots and power-driven cronies, and he hasn't fired a one of them no matter how bad the consequences to our nation's reputation, to our treasury, to any degree have been.
And the current Republican-controlled Rubber Stamp Congress isn't rushing to scrutinize any of this to ensure that the President does not take one moronic step forward without someone making certain it isn't going to make things even worse. Does that make you feel any safer?
Think about it for a moment. There were substantial promises about reforms in the Department of Homeland Security and FEMA after the mess that was Katrina -- and there were a LOT of promises made to the residents of the Gulf Coast, New Orleans and Texas in the aftermath of last year's record-breaking hurricane season. Are you willing to bet your life on how well all these reforms have been implemented? Because the Congressional oversight on that has been thin, at best.
And then contemplate what that means in the event of another catastrophic terror attack on this nation. Or an epidemic. Or any other major natural disaster that could conceivably require actual coordination. Hell, it's five years later after 9/11 and our nation's first responders still don't have proper communications equipment. And that was the first thing promised in the wake of the deaths of all those brave firefighters and police offices and port authority officers in New York. Unconscionable and an absolute failure of leadership.
Then think about how few containers are being inspected -- even today -- at our nation's ports. Every single day. As if that weren't bad enough, how's that lack of any real, working computer inter-link between all the various intelligence agencies and the INS going? Oh yeah, I could really use some accountability on that front.
The list just keeps going and going. And for every wingnut who whines that the Democrats have blocked things, I call bullshit -- the Republicans control both houses of Congress and the White House. And they have not completed the practical, hands on, necessary reforms that ought to have been done. Period.
It is high time for someone to be held responsible for the failures of the Bush Administration and the GOP. In November, the American public will have an opportunity to do just that -- but for them to be motivated to do so, the Democratic party has to step up to the plate and discuss exactly how the Bush Administration will be held accountable.
Digby has a great start from Henry Waxman. The fine folks at MyDD lay the rationale for accountability being important to Democratic candidates right out there in their Campaign Memo -- and it ought to be a must read for every Congressional office this week.
Say it with me: accountability. And let's just keep on saying it until we throw the bums out in November.
PS -- Could someone at the DSCC and the DCCC please start reading Digby more often? And to Digby, I say, damn straight!
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His position is clear: http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/1gm.....on_is.html
There is a constant barrage on the internets and in the “liberal drive-by” media of suggestions about how the troops are defending the right for the liberal commie fagofacists(tm) to voice thier opposition to the Cheney menstruation. Furthermore, somehow getting our kids killed in Iraq on a daily basis not only is protecting our freedoms, but the Iraq quagmire is the central front in the war on terror. Iraq wasn’t a threat to our freedoms, wasn’t invloved in 9-11, and Dubya and company have a whole lot of people convinced however, that they were.
The wingnuts need to repeat this over and over…..American soldiers in Iraq are dying, but NOT to defend our freedoms. Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11. Iraq never has been a threat to “our way of life”. Quit listening to Fox “news” and Lush Bimbo. Just stop it, you are helping destroy our country.
Yes his position is VERY clear….
The guy needs to be put out to pasture, or somewhere. This is our beloved leader that is going to keep us safe from the boogymen with hair gel and toothpaste. They enemy made thier position clear when we were able to stop them? WTF?
Crawford, Texas is missing thier idiot, and it’s a safe bet that even they don’t want him back.
Hope the Peanut is feeling better this morning and that the mama got some rest.
In the spirit of Bush’s reported love of fart jokes, Mr. Sunshine, after listening to news about the prez’s presser yesterday. “freedom agenda,” if the country isn’t with me on this “we’ve lost our soul as a nation,” etc.
Definition: Bush is a dildo whose batteries are not functioning.
The President’s comments yesterday about not leaving Iraq on his watch certainly reinforces why they took off after Ned Lamont with his idea of a timetable for leaving.
Dairymaid at 4 — she’s feeling a bit better this morning. The fever is at least lower and more manageable, and I think we’ve turned the corner on this viral whatever-it-is. But she’s definitely still tired and having the cranky sick thing that kids do — but at least we have a squirrel on the bird feeder at the moment for a diversion. ;-)
Hang in there, Christy. Arghhhh…the cranky sick kid thing! I once went to our pediatrician (a friend and collegue) and said, “I know it’s viral. But you must do something. FOR ME, if not for her…; > )
This past weekend, I grabbed a little time to re-read the Jane Mayer article on David Addington in the 7/3/06 issue of The New Yorker.
Here is the link:
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/.....03fa_fact1
The republican united front in support of Bush is already starting to crack. For example, there was the Joe Scarborough show that asked the very relevant question “Is Bush an Idiot?” George Will and other traditional conservatives are openly dismissive of the neocons who had been Bush’s biggest supporters.
If the Dems do well in November and win back the House, the Senate or both, the republicans, except for John McCain, will avoid Bush like he had a contagious disease. I don’t expect they would put up much of a fight when the Dems have hearings to hold Bush and his crew accountable.
Oh yay, Fred at 9 — I tried to find a link last night and couldn’t dig one up. Much appreciated — I’ll update above. :)
angie @ 165
and this gem:
So glad the Baby Girl’s getting better.
Certainly this picture is Darkblack’s handiwork. The hands and the beltbuckle.
Christy, glad to hear the Peanut is doing better.
Great post this morning, I’m still furious with this administration (for many reasons) for utterly squandering, wasting, pissing down the tubes, the goodwill that we got worldwide after 9/11.
My brother and I keep imagining how Afghanistan *should* have been handled after the Taliban fell (before rising again, because this administration has the attention span of ferret on a sugar high) and really, he and I could have done a better job. He’s had a severe stroke, I’m severely agoraphobic and we could have done a better job. This is a definition of infuriating.
I thought this picture pretty much encapsulated the approach of the Bush Administration — all PR, all vacation, all unreality, alla time.
And sorry the post is so long this morning — I got on a roll yesterday, and it turned into one, long cranky post. That’s what I get for writing when I’m this low on sleep, I suppose. *g*
This post takes the administration’s arguments seriously, and that’s a mistake. By now we know that the administration (as a malignant organism, not as its most prominent and ignorant head) knowingly lied and deceived. Even if they were accidentally making sense, the dishonest basis of their arguments renders them worthless.
They stole the election, and they continue to steal them.
They refused to prevent 9/11.
They attacked Afghanistan as a prelude to Iraq, which was to be a prelude to Iran.
And they lied about it before, during, and after every phase of this endless and growing disaster.
There’s more to remember as we study their faces and formulated rebuttals:
This is not a game or politics, where they have also engineered disasters. This is war. If the war is needless, every death is needless. And responsibility for every needless death rests with this administration.
They are profiting from it.
We are paying for it, as will our children and grandchildren and as will those of the people we have harmed.
This is a bigger and more complex mistake than George W. Bush can ever comprehend, but that shouldn’t protect him from being “brought to justice.”
Bush is not going to bring home the troops over the next two years. John McCain wants to send more troops. The political battle lines are clearly drawn for the 2008 election. All of this points to the importance of a Lamont victory in November.
Christy, great post! I am so glad it was so long, because it just made it that much more of good. You are really on to something with the De Tocqueville concept. I am running from pillar to post and I can’t stay to expand, I hope you will.
I mostly just wanted to say, “Thanks.”
Meanwhile, I hope the peanut is swell this mornin’
Who says we had no plan for the time after we had finished the invasion of Iraq? We had a perfect plan! It included making oodles of money rebuilding Iraq, compliments of American taxpayers. It included gaining control over Iraq’s oil wealth as a present to our poor oil industry. It included highly profitable resupply of weapons to our troops - the longer the conflict lasted, the bigger the profits. And so far the plan goes hanky-dory!
The only minor flaw in the plan is that the “we” only meant the neocon war profiteers.
For everyone who missed seeing this last evening in Jane’s How to Trash a Perfectly Good Campaign in 60 Seconds thread, this Plame-related story appeared in the comments, thanks to Excessive Bastard and pow wow:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200.....k_woodward
It is hard to believe that these people.. the whole lots of them are so completely incompetent and clueless. It is really hard to get that many people who have actually graduated from college and passed a driving test to act with such utter stupidity in the face of facts.
One must conclude that there is an agenda which is why they are doing what they do.
They are not interested in nation building or winning a war.. they are interested in a continual state of war which enriches and entrenches the military industrialists. Republicans have always been about big business and making money and so this administration caters to the needs of business in all their policy decisions.. but they will not say it.
The want to turn government into a conduit for big business to receive all the tax dollars in absurd contracts.. no bid… or spending boondoggles like the drug program…
They don’t care about freedom.. or democracy… They worship at the alter of unfettered free market internaltonal capitalism.
If you view their behavior with this in mind… everything they do makes perfect sense. Greed, wealth creation, supporting the property class… that is what they are about.
They cynically exploit the xtian right to gain votes because they simply could not get enough votes from the upper crusties… They exploit fear and hollow issues like patriotism and xenophobia. They are masters at mis and disinformation and foggy the issues and obscuring the truth.
The media won’t hold them accountable because the media is owned and operated by those who benefits from these policies. Look at Tom Friedman… he is married to one of the 100 richest families in America…
break
after the kerfuffle of 1789, France was not unacquainted with the experiences of democracy…
I really like this post. The accountability theme is so important. But I think accountability does not have to be entirely backward-looking. There should be accountability for what they are apparently planning to do as well.
Bush is getting ready to attack Iran. The drums are beating for war. The MSM is starting to bleat about the dangers posed by Iran. Bush is not being held accountable for the things he and his administration are saying, all of which sounds so much like what they said before attacking Iraq. These idiots are going to blow up the Middle East. My guess is that it will occur before the election.
At least we now know where the “cut and run” slogan comes from…
Christy,
And add to that-
Ignorance of the law is now excuse.
Maude
*ilson46201 @ 23
OK, one more comment from me –
FYI — at one point Chief Justice Rehnquist was working on a research project in which he was trying to argue that evidence of the framer’s intent here in the US could be discerned from the French “Rights of Man” because the framers were, for all practical purposes, the same group of colonists….
I guess he found the document a little too radical for his tastes, but I still like the idea….
Maude @ 26
What do I teach the students????!!!!
If Bush were impeached do you think Cheney would make an acceptable replacement? HELL NO! So Cheneney gets the boot along with monkeyboy and we end up with….Hastert. A criminal doddering old POS interested only in linng his pockets with the short time he has remaining. Look down the line of succession it isn’t a pretty picture. We are screwed until ‘08.
Maude at 26 — Amen to that. Ignorance of the law is not an excuse.
So, Bush is promising no withdrawal before 2009. Isn’t that, you know, a time-table?
Christy Hardin Smith @
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Do you apologize when you make a great dinner or sing a nursery rhyme to Baby Girl or . . . write a rich, not only readable, but re-readable FDL morning essay? NO. You must have known we’d really appreciate this.
I highly recommend the gut-wrenching piece on Guantanamo in the current Rolling Stone. Only part of it’s online:
http://tinyurl.com/jya9c
Money graf (from print version):
I don’t think these people are merely incompetent. I think they, and especially Bush, are psychopathic criminals, as stone evil as any sadistic mass murderers from Ted Bundy to Stalin.
An important point here is that, by his delusional standards, Bush is admitting that the Iraq War won’t be won while he’s Commander in Chief.
That alone should tell the American people that it’s time to get a new Commander in Chief.
We lost the wars
We lost the wars
We lost the wars
So many died and out of the rubble rises a seething hatred and revulsion.
But all those creatures in the picture see is oil under the rubble and cash lining their pockets. They have body armor, vehicle armor, security and a clean place to sleep and good food to eat. One of the few references I heard from W yesterday about the troops was in reference to cutting and running.
(emphasis mine)
despicable.
why does the democratically elected government they crow about have to “defend itself?”
am I missing something?
we defeated Nazi Germany in World War Two in less time than Bush has spent flailing around in Iraq …
ckerst @ 29:
hoping for a change of ownership in the house, we might end up with President Pelosi.
*ilson, the Nazis actually did win WWII. It just took a little longer, and a change of venue…
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Bush won’t leave Iraq while he is in office in order to protect his ‘legacy’ — ya, I am laughing at that too. He still believes that if he just leaves Iraq for someone else to clean up (never happen anyway), he will not be accused of being the one who ‘lost’ Iraq, his successor will. That is why I still think that powers in control just might let a dem be elected in ‘08 in order to blame all the dems for the Iraq loss, and the pain America will feel as we try to correct our financial pit.
bush has every intention of leaving office with his blinders on humming loudly to offset the cursing at him.
I dont want to brag or anything but my phrase “Bush flailing around in Iraq” is horribly good. It only came to me as I was composing my previous comment. “Flailing around” is so apropos !
And that, Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury, is the prosecution’s summary argument.
Susan in Iowa @ 24
I couldn’t agree more. We have definately got to keep our eyes on this.
Christy Hardin Smith @
30
No, for Bush it’s a way of life.
I wish he were flailing around, in Iraq. Maybe at Riverbend’s house. Or in Fallujah.
Sharkbabe @ 38
Well, Sharkbabe, a slight modification of what you so rightfully say:
The Nazi’s lost, but fascism prevailed.
ccobb @ 34
Another example of Bush’s whole life. All his failures are cleaned up by someone else. Only this time, it is us and our children and grandchildren paying the price.
Look, until Walmart and Starbucks dot the landscape and Time-Warner and Comcast have the region wired for cable we’re going to continue to kill Afghans and Iraqis. And they better keep their filty Muslim hands off OUR OIL! Gimme a smoke and pass the ammo…………..
look, it’s nice that you’re talking about this, but these points, about the imposition of democracy, are still in doubt. it depends entirely on the conditions in which it’s attempted. japan and germany, nuff said. it was never known if it would or would not work in iraq, though the arguments were obviously to be looked upong skeptically, since playing with lives for the sake of a hypothesis was amoral in any event.
this all said, the democracy thing may have been one of the arguments they batted around in-house, and it was certainly one of the more prominent public rationales. but we’re kidding ourselves if the prime mover wasn’t a geopolitical resource grab. considering this, it strikes me as more or less pointless to engage the war’s proponents on the level that you’re engaging them on. what purpose does it serve to wage a rhetorical war on a point that can’t be won? meanwhile, talking about the real reasons for the war would actually take the debate off their field of play and show the public what’s really at stake. and no one, not one legitimate commentator, neither in the new york times, nor on TV, nor even in the blogosphere has been willing or able to make the case consistently and plainly for all to see. we’ve been distracted for far too long, while the debate rages in a direction totally unassociated with the facts of the conflict.
it might be difficult to discuss something that the other side isn’t discussing, but that doesn’t mean it would be an ineffective strategy. again, take the ball off their field of lies and propaganda and get down to brass tacks.
hell, i’ll start. the war was waged since iraq has the third largest proven reserves of oil, and in the coming years the demand for oil will skyrocket beyond the world’s capacity to pay for it. for us to secure our economic future, it’s arguable that physical control over the oil would be necessary as oil itself loses fungibility once world demand outstrips supply. thus, the waking chinese giant, not to mention europe, russia and india, will have to negotiate through us to get their oil at all. we break apart OPEC and assume de facto control over the world’s oil supply.
clearly this can be fleshed out, and a few others, notably juan cole, have sought to do so. but the democracy crap is a total chimera. no one in the pentagon has any interest in producing a democracy anywhere. the argument that democracies don’t go to war with one another is coincidental: every democracy on the planet–save a few with whom we may end up at war–has been in our sphere of influence since their inception.
ok, now you try.
Great article Christy — as usual.
One comment - they are “Afghans”, not “Afghanis”. I believe that it’s kinda a big deal.
Thad
marc — somebody put it pithily :: “If all Iraq exported was oranges, does anybody think the US would have invaded?”
the caption for the photo should read: Murder, Inc.
Just ask Hamas - the winners of the last election in the Palestinian Territories. Funny how we loved the democracy they were getting into there, right up until Hamas won an election.
Has anyone been reading “American Theocracy” by Kevin Phillips. If not, then I highly recomend it. It lays out the perfect storm of oil (and its men) and fundamentialist religion in devastating detail.
Before 9-11, Cheney et al were formulating plans to invade both Iraq and Afghanistan (breakdown of the Unocal pipleline negotiations with the Taliban). Makes one think. About how much they knew about Osama, when they knew it, and what more they could’ve done, if they had wanted to.
There is a belief that Saudi oil production is peaking now, and that Iraq has way way more “virgin” oil fields than the Saudis.
Remember the invasion of Baghdad? When the Museum was looted and pillaged? The oil ministry which contained valuable maps of Iraqi oil fields (which was what was really valuable there) was immediately protected …
“A free Iraq is necessary for a — is an integral part of the war on terror.”
Your slip is showing Mr. President.
marc @ 49 said …geopolitical resource grab…
I like your phraseology - sums it up nicely and with finality. If we say “it’s about the oil,” we end up having to defend that over-simplification further.
OT: was this article posted before? if so, sorry for the repeat.
Some Dems want Lieberman out of party
Accountability is an interesting issue
because there is so much of it to spread around.
While I like and admire the “Buck Stops Here” model of leadership, it shoul dbe apparent that we do not have a leader. Nore have we, as a people, demanded that mode of leadership.
The electorate has placed these people in office and repeatedly returned them.
Some are better than others, but, until we find a way to effectivly communicate to the electorate elections will be close enough to steal.
I do not think, (as I heard Lawrence O’Donnell opine on L,R&C last week) that the Dems need to attract Republican voters. I do think that a clear message of accountability is needed, and that there are problems with getting a portion of the minority party to accept their accountability for being ‘good losers’.
The problems is not a partisan Dem vs Rep issue.
In Illinois, George Ryan “accepted full responsibility” for the misdeeds in his Secretary of State office. But those were just words. The licenses for dollars practices of that office directly resulted in fatal accidents, the most dramatic of which resulted from a long haul truck driver whose english was so poor that he could not understand multiple other drivers telling him his load was not secured. A large metal object fell off his truck and killed a family in a van following the truck. (I forget the exact details , but I think the parents survived, losing all their children).
Accountability is more than lip service.
We, as a nation must demand it.
Patrick Fitzgerald cannot be our sole enforcer.
Peterr @ 53
One could ask Hizbollah, too. 2 Canadian PM’s came out strongly just yesterday or the day before asking that they be removed from the Canadian terrorist list…
o 6:39
and the war in terror is an integral part of the quest for more oil.
oh lordy– 2 Canadian MPs not PMs
The new republican motto..IGNORANCE OF THE LAW IS NOW EXCUSED. McCain violates the law he introduced and they treat accountability like a four letter word. Thanks Christy for the post.
Someone tell Mr. Decider that he may not have enough sense to be frustrated with the chaos he has created but the majority of us are beyond frustrated. If he had done the right thing in Afghanistan, that country could have so easily been a model for others. How can his minority not acknowledge what evil has been done in the name of all of us?
It’s equally frustrating that McCain may step into Bush’s bloody boots. The traditional MSM love Straight-Talker and totally ignore his twists and turns in all directions in what may well be his successful bid to capture Bush’s base base and the presidency. This after most of the media are guilty of enabling Bush and his thugs these many years to do as they damn well please.
Think about it. Not many are beating up McCain for his embrace of Bush and Bush policies but rather ST seems to have access to any television spot he chooses to appear on so he is free to waffle on the questions of the day. Scrutiny and half-truths are in the main reserved for the Democrats. If any semblance of our democracy remains after Bush, a media-anointed King McCain will finish it off. Scary. You bet.
Thad Beier @ 50
In the languages of the region, an “i” is added to denote that one is from a particular country.
eg: “Irani” in farsi which is spoken in Afhganistan.
Afghani
Pakistani
Hindi
and on and on and on.
There is nothing offensive about Afghani. (I used to speak a little farsi back in the day and was actually in Afghanistan in the mid-70s. They called themselves Afghanis).
I repeat… that all power is a trust; that we are accountable for its exercise; that from the people and for the people all springs, and all must exist.
Benjamin Disraeli
We must reject the idea that every time a law’s broken, society is guilty rather than the lawbreaker. It is time to restore the American precept that each individual is accountable for his actions.
Ronald Reagan
I think one has to say it’s not just simply a matter of capturing people and holding them accountable, but removing the sanctuaries, removing the support systems, ending states who sponsor terrorism. And that’s why it has to be a broad and sustained campaign. [This could be said of the whole K Street lobbying enterprise]
Paul Wolfowitz
Journalism is the only profession explicitly protected by the U.S. Constitution, because journalists are supposed to be the check and balance on government. We’re supposed to be holding those in power accountable. We’re not supposed to be their megaphone. That’s what the corporate media have become.
Amy Goodman
from Wikipedia:
marc @ 49
as has been said on many other blogs, this is a classic colonial war. I wish some reporter would ask Bush in one of his ranting pressers why he thinks the US can succeed where other European nations in the region have failed. But I guess bringing up history is just too much to ask.
An offshore commenter on another blog suggested the only glimmer of hope for peace in Iraq (and a withdrawal of U.S. troops) might be for the Arab League to get a U.N. mandate to send a contingent of troops from each of their countries. But it would be contingent on the U.S. giving up any and all permanent bases and all oil.
back to you.
Jimmy Carter has an interview with the German newsweekly Der Speigel (The Mirror), which appeared in their Aug 15 issue. It’s up on their website (in English translation), and Jimmy has some insights that seem particularly appropriate here:
(The editorial comment is by the editors of DS.)
He also makes a critical point about the role of fundamentalism in the Bush White House:
This from one of the preeminent presidential negotiators in our history, who now works as a Sunday School teacher at his Baptist church in Plains, GA (when he’s not building homes with Habitat and such).
Any chance of getting Jimmy back for four more years? Even as a secretary of state?
via atrios (who links dkos)-
Rasmussen Poll 8/21
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Lieb (CTFL) 45,
Lamont (D) 43
Gambler (R) 6
and Rasmussen famously tilts rightwards so its really a tie!
Mornin’ Everyone,
hey indeedy, . . . cursory reads of industry and financial journals indicate FEMA might as well be handling extraction ops - Iraq To Date might as well be Arbusto - IOW, their priapic dreams of stakeholding will probably never be realized either
Christy, you are steamin’!
Great writing. Memorable phrasing.
Typo watch: “arms depos” should be “arms depots.”
clem @
17
THIS is what we should focus on. We are playing THEIR game when we waste our bandwidth discussing the smoke and mirrors Karl Rove invents for us. This purely evil administration is NOT incompetent. It is making BILLIONS of dollars for themselves and friends, this is no accident. If you simply “follow the money” you will see very clearly that everything the PNAC has done using their White House puppets has made themselves rich beyond imagination. They even TOLD us what they would do if they ever got in power..
PNAC Evil Plan
The ONLY way to save our country is to vote these bastards out. If /When the Dems take the House we should DEMAND they begin investigations into the White House and ALL it’s evil. the unPatriot Act, the illegal domestic wiretaps, cooked up intel to invade Iraq, and finally, there complicity and involvement in the 9/11 attacks.
ACCOUNTABLE not only for their apparent incompetence, but for the pure greed and evil that has caused our once-great nation to fall so far in 5 1/2 years.
As marc at 49 notes, this was never about democracy. Remember Paul Bremer writing the 100 laws that could not be revoked? Americans at home have rejected the flat tax and privatization of water and similar resources; we still debate the extent of discourse monopoly (aka intellectual property) and control of genetically modified crops. BUT, by golly, Viceroy Paul on the orders of Emperor George imposed the corporate wish list on Iraq and said their “democracy” could restrict women’s rights but not multinationals’ perquisites. We should keep noting that the Iraqis are fighting at least partially to protect their country against grand theft.
I agree with you on this Christy
In another sense though, Bu$hCo is having a lot of success on imposing a form of government on Americans, namely fascism. They may not be “from the outside” geographically, but I think and certainly cling to the hope that they are outside of the mainstream of the American people. I hate to think that most Americans are neo-con, greed and hate mongering fascists who share Bu$hCo’s imperial goal of making the world safe for their form of “demockcracy” by bombing into submission anyone who doesn’t agree that all the resources of the world belong to Amerika.
Watching Hezbollah jumping right into cleaning up Israel’s mess in Lebanon, I can’t help but wonder if they could be recruited to help deal with the aftermath of Katrina.
OT headline over at RawStory:
Uranium missing… In New Jersey… Developing…
Great Scott, Christy!
Has anybody considered handing this out as a speech for EVERY SINGLE DEMOCRAT running for office this year?
And by the way, the answer to those who say that the Dems have not proposed any strategy (other than cut ‘n’ run) is that the Dems are prepared to deliberate and come to a strategy based upon the facts while the Rubber Stamp Republican Congress just approves the President’s non-strategy of staying on this miserable course without a plan.
Prof at 72 — I made the mistake of watching some tape of the Bush presser yesterday evening after we’d finally gotten the peanut to bed. And this all came streaming out in one big blurt. I was a bit peevish — could you tell? *g*
i’m sure there will be a post on this as soon as i leave this comment, but:
apparently, armitage told woodward about plame, months before novakula heard it, and:
“Robert Novak, who, unlike Woodward, actually outed Plame in print, has said that whoever told Woodward of Plame’s identity is probably the same person who first told him.”
WTF? i never thought of old bullet-head as a serious kool-aid drinker (although always ready to do powell’s wet work). armitage wasn’t an ally of cheney’s, particularly. i think he’s planning on taking them down.
double-bank shot; happens all the time.
Darling, he’s not trying to “impose democracy.” He’s trying to create a client state out of whole cloth!
In the old days the CIA would spot the biggest fascist (usually in the military) and put them in charge. And thus (just a few off the top of my head) the Shah of Iran, Manuel Noriega, Augusto Pinochet and (drumroll please) Saddam Hussein.
But we’ve go greedy stupid fucks in charge who think they can run everything. And they have no intention of admitting to error.
So they lie and lie and lie. And the world suffers for their crimes.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 78
Peevish? Not a bit!
Truth telling, YES
Christy for Speechwriter to the Dems
HuffPo:
Titanyum @ 20
Don’t forget the “secret plan” - build huge military bases so we are positioned in the middle of all that oil.