
Ladies and gentlemen, meet Dan Gerstein, Joe Lieberman’s director of media relations and Public Enema No. 1.
This very enlightening piece at LamontBlog lays out a list of his crimes, in order, and one has to wonder, exactly, why this hacktastic hairball of a man still has a job. Expecially since Joe-das Iscariot fired everyone else of importance on his campaign. But apparently Gerstein’s mendacity, his insatiable desire to play the victim, not to mention his unabashed media whorishness all combine to make him Joe’s kinda guy, the ideal staffer for a campaign utterly devoid of shame but which is positively bursting with a toxic cocktail of hubris, wounded egotism, and a blazing sense of entitlement. When all this is over, Joe’s going to see if he can get Gerstein awarded a Presidential Medal of Freedom like Georgie Tenet, cos, you know, he’s doing a heck of a job.
Let’s begin.
Way back in March, Howie Klein published a piece enumerating the many ways in which Lieberman has given short shrift to gay rights groups and other organizations working for human rights. Gerstein anonymously wrote to Huffington post, demanding that they censor Mr. Klein. To wit:
Last week after I wrote about my battles with Joe Lieberman during my time in the music business, the Huffington Post got a letter of complaint from someone who described himself as a "former associate of Joe Lieberman." They offered this person the opportunity to write a post of his own adressing my comments, but the individual was only interested in the Lieberman default position — censorship.
He demanded my post be cut or retracted. The Huffington Post instead printed my response, entitled No, Senator Lieberman, I Won’t Retract My Statement.
Since that time the original letter of complaint has been forwarded to me, and the identity of the person doing Lieberman’s dirty work was revealed. The man’s name is Dan Gerstein, and I am happy to address his specific complaints, even if he is only interested in censoring and mischaracterizing mine.
Gerstein took it upon himself to put numerous words into Howie’s mouth, including "racist" and "homophobe" and demonstrated an air of self-righteous arrogance throughout his little note. Howie responded by taking Mr. Gerstein to task for his Strike the Blow and Hide the Hand tactics and went on to emphatically set the record straight:
I want to point out that we’re not talking about someone who volunteered to hand out flyers at a Lieberman rally in Stamford once. Dan Gerstein was a senior Democratic strategist who worked with Lieberman for 10 years and collaborated with him on the infamous stab in the back he administered to Bill Clinton at a time when only partisan Republicans were calling for Clinton’s impeachment over the Monica Lewinsky brouhaha.
Remember this:
"The President apparently had extramarital relations with an employee half his age, and did so in the workplace, in vicinity of the Oval Office. Such behavior is not just inappropriate. It is immoral. And it is harmful, for it sends a message of what is acceptable behavior to the larger American family, particularly to our children, which is as influential as the negative messages communicated by the entertainment culture."
Gerstein is proud of his co-authorship of this particular speech and boasts of it quite prominently in his online bio.
Unfortunately, O Dannyboy learned nothing from this skirmish and went on to float multiple anti-Lamont smears anonymously to various media outlets, and when they appeared to not be taking, went the extra mile and came out as the source and tried again.
Anonymous Lieberman Adviser Who Raised Issue Of Lamont’s Commitment To Israel Speaks Out
As I told you below, the Forward yesterday carried an interview with an unnamed "informal adviser" to Joe Lieberman who raised the issue of Lamont’s commitment to Israel.
This adviser pointed out that Lamont had campaigned with Maxine Waters and Marcy Kaptur, two Dem members of Congress who didn’t vote in favor of a recent resolution condemning Hezbollah for its actions towards Israel. This infuriated many Lamont supporters, who thought the anonymous Lieberman adviser was trying to sow doubts about Lamont’s commitment to Israel.
Now I’ve spoken with the adviser myself, and he agreed to go on the record. The person who made these remarks is Dan Gerstein, a longtime key adviser to the Connecticut Senator who worked for him from 1994 until 2004, most recently as his communications director.
I call this technique "Strike the Blow and Hide the Hand, but When Nobody Seems to Feel or Care About the Blow, Un-hide the Hand and Strike Again. And Again. And Again Until Someone Pays Attention to You."
That same week came the now-infamous race-baiting flyers. And I believe that particular topic has been done to death around here, so let’s move on to the day of the election, when Joe’s website spammed itself into a coma. Rather than making any attempt to solve the problem or find out the truth, here’s what Danny did:
On primary day, now in an "official" role with Lieberman, Gerstein flew into an apoplectic rage about Joe’s "hacked" website. In full-on attack mode, he called every reporter he could, falsely claiming that Lamont campaign or its supporters hacked Joe2006.com, when actually they just didn’t know how to run a website. Gerstein even went to the FBI with this bogus claim. He eventually admitted that it was all bullshit, and that they had no evidence whatsoever to back up their very serious charges of "disenfranchisement" lodged against the Lamont campaign:
Sargent asked Gerstein directly if they had any proof at all that Lamont or his backers were behind the attacks on the Lieberman site.
"Here’s the thing. We are not putting the blame on the Lamont campaign," said Gerstein. "We think it’s very important for them to put out a statement throughout the Net roots that they not only don’t support these tactics, but want them to stop."
Yeah, yeah, dickhead. But in the meantime, the entire primary day news cycle was dominated with tales of "Dirty Tricks" and the desperate lengths(!!) that Lamont and his coven of deranged attack-bloggers were willing to go to in order to win an election. Mission accomplished, eh, Gherkin? May I call you Gherkin, Dan? No? How about "Li’l Mister Pickle Dick"?
Since the election, Gerstein has attacked the Lamont campaign for allowing itself to be endorsed by Reverends Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, but you know, NOT for any racist reasons. Just cos, you know, they’re among the most "divisive and problematic figures in the Democratic Party.", BUT NOT BECAUSE THEY’RE BLACK! REALLY!
He’s also been at the root of the claims that anyone who opposes Joe for Senate this year is doing so because of anti-Semitism, because, you know there’s no other reason anyone would oppose Mr. Reasonable, "Everybody in Washington Loves Me", Joe "It’s MY Seat, Ned, Miiiiiiiine" Lieberman.
"There’s a small but vocal pro-Palestinian, anti-Israel and perhaps anti-Semitic faction of the Democratic Party,” said Dan Gerstein, a former Lieberman aide and informal adviser to the campaign. "It is a small minority but it is getting bolder, and even worse. There is a growing tolerance of it in the progressive community."
The lovely Jennifer Medina of the New York Times wrote the article that contained that quote, but fortunately declined Gerstein’s offer of a gallon of Kool-Aid and a plate of Cocktail Weenies. Yay, Jennifer Medina! (You’re such a rock star.)
And this is why you’ll find a picture of Pickle Dick in my dictionary next to the word "despicable". At every turn he has sunk to the lowest possible kind of tactical manuevering in his unswerving devotion to Lieberman’s Desperation ‘06 juggernaut. Gerstein is the kind of guy who would make an utterly perfect pawn for Karl Rove. He thinks nothing of holding his nose and scooping up great handfuls of shite to throw in the name of Keeping Joe on the Throne. He’s a good Republican foot-soldier. Screw the truth! Hell, screw the goddamn voters! We have an election to win, right Dan? Pull out all the stops! The special interests of AIPAC, the insurance industry, the Pentagon, military contractors, and the pharmaceutical industry MUST BE PROTECTED AT ALL COSTS! Every decision made in this campaign MUST BENEFIT THE SEVENTH GENERATION of GlaxoSmithKline shareholders!
One last note from LamontBlog:
Finally, just this past Friday, Gerstein sent out a press release to reporters touting Lieberman’s hiring of "Democrat slayer" GOP pollster Neil Newhouse, but neglecting to inform reporters that merely weeks earlier, the press secretary he replaced, Marion Steinfels, had (falsely) attacked Ned Lamont for hiring Republican consultants:
…The Joe Lieberman campaign has just announced the hiring of GOP pollster Neil Newhouse, whose top clients include Rick Santorum, Jeb Bush and Pat Roberts. But Election Central couldn’t help but notice that this announcement is strikingly at odds with the fact that in late June, the Lieberman campaign vigorously attacked Ned Lamont for… hiring a onetime Republican operative as a consultant.
This is the kind of amoral, stop-at-nothing manuevering we’re up against in this campaign. The night of the Primary, I watched Lieberman’s "My Heart Will Go On" speech and decided that ol’ Holy Joe has no greater enemy in this campaign than himself. Well, add Dan Gerstein to that list. If they win in November, it’ll be because they learned everything they know at Unca Karl’s knee. Don’t let them get away with it.
As always, you can still donate to Ned via ActBlue. You know what to do.
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FITZ
The zero, once again. :)
LAMONT and WEBB!
TREX! Gerstein sux!
DEPU’d
egregious @ 92
Wow. That is a serious smackdown. :)
Hypocracy?
Mr. Lieberman, you’re soaking in it.
-GSD
Don’t forget sanctimoniousness! Positively oooozing with good-for-me-not-for-thee sanctimoniousness.
And smarminess. Joe is all treacly with smarminess.
OT.
Ask not for whome the bell tolls Wapoo, NYT, Washington Times.
http://today.reuters.com/news/…..amp;rpc=23
-GSD
He’s got himself a nice hair-helmet going on there too.
Evil Parallel Universe @ 93
S A T U R D A Y. L A T E. NIGHT.
I admit to keeping score. Though no one did answer the question.
look at the picture
and the coat
it tells you all you need to know about the person.
Been trying to catch up on that last thread, and thought to myself “Wow! I wonder what snark TRex will have to lighten the mood on FDL Late Night?” Give me a minute to shift gears . . .
(to the bartender): I’ll have what he’s having.
Unctuous! Did I mention how unctuous Joe is?
TRex — PULEEZE don’t call that monster Dannyboy!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OUCH.
Well, his client list is not a secret.
.
Very well researched bill of particulars. Nice job!!
I know this is EPU’d, but Jane, did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed this a.m.?
There’s nothing wrong with the Darcy ad, except that it’s maybe a little boring.
But it’s the “get acquainted with the candidate ads” nothing spectacular but nothing bad either. It’s fine. Not every ad is gonna be a homer; not every ad is gonna get every liberal fired up. Sometimes vanilla is OK.
Talk about snark. Guys and girls: let’s try not to eat our children, ok?
why does his head look like a melon?
Pachacutec @ 16
The good folks at LamontBlog did all the footwork on that one, Pach. I just did the remix.
This danny boy is probably the same guy that yelled “looters looters looters” in the days after Katrina…
Take a look at Gerstein’s blog. He actually had the nerve to post an article worrying about the prevalence of prescription drug usage in our culture…this from the Lieberman campaign man, the guy beholden to Big Pharma.
What a dick.
Am I going to have to get a new name?
dannyboy 22 – nah – I’m sure TRex just had a slip of the tongue!
Trex – bravo de luxe!
Dannyboy, I have been calling you.
-The Pipes
“the ideal staffer for a campaign utterly devoid of shame”
And devoid of content too.
How can we get the media to consider the fact that Lieberman has very little to say specificallyabout what he has done in Senate over last two or three years? Any explanation, defense?Totally aside from Iraq war vote, most of his really important votes have been dishonest Senate gamesmanship: bankruptcy, Alito. Can he give any specifics at all about what was so great about the Bush Social security scam that he would sit the on the fence and give that atrocity Democratic cover after the total clownishness and incoherence of the serial non-plans became apparent.
Can ol Joe give us one reason, just one reason why he thinks things were getting better in Iraq over the last year? What o what does he think we can accomplish by staying the non-course? What will get better? We’ve killed the dead-enders and foreign terrorists ten times over and their are more of them now doing more damage. Can he give one reason, one theory, one idea about why doing the same will improve anything.
What was his thinking for giving the BushCo Iraq war resolution cover? That was just as, or more important than his vote. How does he justify his faith in BushCo now and advocacy of giving them a blank check. Regardless of whether invasion was good idea, or better postwar planning could have salvaged situation, ol’ Joe showed very poor judgment there, didn’t he.
Fact is, Lieberman has nothing he can say about his recent positions or votes on anything that make him look good. It is a contentless campaign.
Need to focus on shameless hypocritical BStoo. Accepts support from BushCo and wingnuts, went groveling to Farrakhan when he thought it would help him -now he says Jesse Jackson is divisive.
Empty old hypocrite who cannot defend his record, so he leers and smears around like a skinny inept Rove. And media shamelessly playing the reputation and cred card based, as far as I can see, nothing more than the fact that he is a convenient guest for bloviating on their shows. Wonder if there are memos around the corporate media saying need to keep him cause he’s good for the wonk-porn talk show ratings?
OK, so I showed the Darcy ad to my wife and she thinks it’s fine too.
The thing I think a lot of bloggers who haven’t walked a precinct with a voter walk list may not realize: voters are OLD. The voters who vote, every election, every primary, every everything election are old.
A “get acquainted” ad is perfect for them. They’ll say: “she seems nice.” And then when the Rethugs do their attack ads, maybe they won’t believe it cuz she has a nice veteran husband and a cute kid and put herself through college. You see?
When you walk a precinct with a voter list that shows who has voted in the last 4 elections, you quickly realize it’s the old folks. The Darcy ad would appeal to them. That’s fine cuz that’s likely her target.
Young people are great but until they start voting in serious numbers, no campaign or candidate will take them seriously. Of course, politics no longer matters anymore since in most states, the RETHUGLICANS can just STEAL the votes they need.
Here are Gerstein’s other clients, from his website, FYI.
Develop Don’t Destroy Brooklyn
http://www.developdontdestroy.org
Charter School Leadership Council
http://www.cslc.us
National Service-Learning Partnership
http://www.service-learningpartnership.org
The Teaching Commission
http://www.theteachingcommission.org
Connecticut Coalition for Achievement Now/
Connecticut Alliance for Great Schools
http://www.ctags.org
Trinity Church New York
http://www.trinitywallstreet.org
Baltimore Safe and Sound
http://www.safeandsound.org
Andrew Rasiej for Public Advocate Campaign
http://www.Rasiej.com
Pilot Pen Corporation
http://www.pilotpen.com
There must be a tremendous amount of inside manuevering in New Haven at the moment as the Lieberschnitzel campaign tries to prevent their man Joe from being stripped of his citizenship in the Democratic Party. Chris Bowers has a good post up at MYDD with the particulars-
http://www.mydd.com/story/2006/8/21/21302/5809
Two different efforts to get Lieberman off the ballot/out of the party: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200….._lieberman
dannyboy @ 22
No, Dannyboy. I just called him that once. From now on, he’s Pickle Dick. And your nom de guerre is safely yours.
On Topic: Go to the link for a laugh…
Earlier this month, Dexedrine manufacturer GlaxoSmithKline advised health care professionals of changes to the drug’s labeling. “Sudden deaths, strokes and myocardial infarction have been reported in adults taking stimulant drugs at usual doses for ADHD,” the company warned.
The new labels also warn that pre-existing psychotic disorders, such as bipolar illness, may be exacerbated. The advisory also said that new psychiatric symptoms, such as hallucinations or delusional thinking, may emerge.
http://news.google.com/nwshp?h…..;scoring=d
tom #27: Must have different kind of old people in Chicago than California! On your scenario of GOP attack -whey didn’t that work for Kerry -heck, such a nice handsome boy, reporting for duty.
Cue the Bush visit to Iraq in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.
OK, now a long shot of the body of AL Qaeda # 2.
Great.
-Karl Rove’s Nutsack
Old Coastie — thanks.
GSD — as long as you’re not Richard or Daniel…
“Joe-das…” Hm, that’s certainly a loaded statement. Not sure how helpful it is…
excellent snark!
I kept looking for the darkblack cred on the photo — I swear I saw that suit on Joe Piscopo in ‘Johnny Dangerously’ – sounds like Dan would qualify for the “Psychopath handicapped parking pass” too…
Dan Gerstein and Joe Lieberman are really Repubs and everyone knows it. It’s all about both of them. They get up in the morning, look in the mirror and exclaim, “Me! Me! Me!”, just before they kiss the mirror.
And I don’t know about Midwest, but for country as a whole, younger people do vote in serious numbers. Fourty-five to sixty four has consistently highest turnout rates. Young adults and even youth will approach their elders’ turnout rates in an election that generates excitement and interest.
TREX,
I was the first one Gerstein insinuated was an Antisemite way back when dumpjoe was just getting hot. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/3/31/194932/590
I knew we’d kick Joes ass in the Primary way back then and they were scared.
“Faster, Pantywaist! Shill! Shill!” has my nomination for Inventive Snark Headline of the Year on FDL. Great to see another Russ Meyer aficionado, TRex…
After watching tonight’s Act 1 and II of Spike Lee’s Requiem in Four Acts, and Bush’s kudos for heckuva job… I’m reminded that J-Lie was “Mr. Oversight.”… or not.
Requiem is must viewing–parts III and IV on HBO tomorrow evening. Be there!
And Thank God for Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert…the realest news reporting around in these days of pedophilic porn-pushing titillatin surrounding the reincarnation of the JonBenet story on cable “news” 24/7.
Bravo TRex, gutless Gerstein deserves the evisceration, and you cut with a sublime edge.
Thanks, TRex — I shall now duly worship at your altar, though we do sunflower seeds, not peanuts.
I do wonder what Gerstein’s head looks like without all that hair combed sideways, though. And his shoulders without all that padding.
Nah, not his shoulders; cancel that.
Re the photo of Gerstein, golly, dare I say it? He looks like Jack Abramoff. Could he be Abramoff’s cousin?
This is for veruca, who has been tragically trapped in the 1800’s hehe. May anyone else who had a bad day also find solace therein.
I think HoJo is going to have a reaction (meltdown?) when he gets stripped of his D… no matter how Republican he appears to us, he is invested in being a Dem all these years…
where’s my popcorn?
He’s a publicist, not a magician.
…But you know that. AND I knew you’d know I’d know you knew.
;>)
My faithful dog Whiskers has asked me to hang that photo of Gerstein in the alley to scare the rats away.
Kurt @ 45
I was expecting something entirely different…
(I actually kinda like this version of the song)
We are gonna take this guy DOWN.
Thx TRex, and sorry for saying beltway insiders makes me think: beltway spiders. I know you’re not Cherokee/at peace with the spiders, just call me and I’ll carry them outside where they won’t bother you.
Should you hire me to do this with other creatures that scare us politically? I did once talk a snake in our basement into sliding into the pro-offered bag, for release outside. I simply explained that he would be happier outside. Eight months pregnant at the time. Me not the snake :)
That client list doesn’t sound like the kind of folks that would be pleased with the activities of Mr. Gerstein.
If I were the rector at Trinity Church in NY, I’d be less that delighted to discover the kind of track record our consultant has, and
mightwould definitely look into alternatives.No one in the non-profit, non-political world would want to be anywhere in the vicinity of this kind of stuff.
TRex- thank you- I have been begging for an FDL post to take Gerstein down. Ya done it! And, BTW, big thunder here.
http://cache.boston.com/bonzai…..2_5770.gif
Another Bush Rubber Stamp Fluffer in jeopardy.
Dem candidate Paul Hodes releases poll that has him within a point of Flounder type legacy candidate Charlie Bass in NH 2nd.
Bass was a tool who took the term limit pledge and flip-flopped on the minimum wage too.
http://www.hodesforcongress.co…..asp?id=843
-GSD
Ooops, titillation [keyboard dropped the o–time for new batteries]. Edit says I’m expired.
karen allen @ 48
My faithful dog Henry asked me to hang that picture on the fire hydrant to use as a target.
Peterr – Do you have a link for your multi-cons thread? por favor?
Is Lieberman connected to GlaxoSmithKline? I wonder why GlaxoSmithKline is publishing the warning about their drug in every aper across the country right now?
http://news.google.com/nwshp?h…..;scoring=d
ccmask @ 32
“Go to the link for a laugh…”
Strangely enough I find myself: not laughing.
For those of us who are mentally ill–bipolar II and ADHD here–getting the meds right is very serious business.
After you have worried yourself sick over a child (or yourself) making it thru the next 24 hours, call me about how funny this is. Ha ha.
Take home lesson #1: mental illness = the new black. As in nig8er.
Take home lesson #2: a lot of depression meds make people more manic. If you are bipolar, depression meds alone will make you SICKER. Be ahead of your doctor here, and that doesn’t take much.
Eureka Springs, AR @ 57
Click on the “religion” category on the list to the right, and you’ll find it there somewhere.
Eli @ 49
What cracked me up about Lust in the Dust, was that Divine was supposed to be Lanie Kazan’s long lost twin hehe.
Now I’m trying to picture Eli in drag singing that…you’d look fabulous! (well compared to Divine in that corset anyway hehe)
Valley Girl @ 52
Nice work T-Rex, but you needn’t be so soft-spoken.
Was this guy turned down for a part on “The Sopranos?” He has that Mafioso fashion sense.
Now I’m trying to picture Eli in drag singing that…you’d look fabulous! (well compared to Divine in that corset anyway hehe)
My repertoire is limited to “Sundown” (Gordon Lightfoot), “Stayin’ Alive”, “Poisoning Pigeons In The Park” (Tom Lehrer), and the Star Trek theme (you might want to cover your ears on the high note at the end).
Oh, and this was my “Monday Media Blogging” video for this week…
Dr. Puma – I was thinking the same thing, but different mob and different show. He looks like an extra on a Law & Order episode (and flavor) involving the Russian mob.
Peterr @ 60
Or if you meant the thread that had all the different kinds of “cons,” that was by Ian Welsh, not me. I just used it as a springboard for that first TheoCon thread.
egregious: When I said laugh, I meant more like the warnings are almost as worse as the disease. Sorry if you took it the other way. It was more like I was shaking my head. Whatever.
egregious @
59
There’s absolutely nothing funny about mental illness. Eg’s right. That is one thing that’s absolutely off limits for snark.
Clear?
ditto – ended up in a mixed state and with lasting neurological damage due to big-pharma lies-by-omission and misdiagnosis. They’d better be shouting stuff like this from the rooftops.
What was the name of the HoJo guy who did the burger joint ambush of Lamont? A lobbiest, I believe? I keep getting that guy and this subject-of-article guy mixed up.
Ghostman
Ghostman @ 71
Richard Goodstein.
Cosmo and Dannyboy linked to the story but this quote from Ned is disappointing.
I understand he may not want to AAAAATTAAACCCCKKK! But he should at least be assertive! Joe left the party after the voters told him he couldn’t have their nomination. Either Joe should support the democratic process or he should leave the party. That’s all Ned has to say. Otherwise, he looks like he puts up with cheating.
I know the Democratic leadership should be publicly twisting Sore Loserman’s arm to give it up, but since they’re not, Ned needs to stand up for himself and the primary voters.
a little tease at Crooks and Liars open thread this evening:
seems he’s lost the young’uns…MWHAHAHA!
What Egregious said…
The medication roulette involved in getting the right treatment for ADD plus depression is not a picnic either – I’ll be on meds for the rest of my life and I sure hope that they keep working for the long haul and that there won’t be any surprise side effects from long term use…
seems he’s lost the young’uns…MWHAHAHA!
I think you misspelled macaca.
And by making it thru the next 24 hours for either my child or myself, I mean alive or not.
It’s a close call sometimes. Late nite folks have been there with me for one of them. Thx to all on team egregious. Help me stay alive, help newborns stay alive. Kind of a package deal.
Eli @ 65
Now Pepper!
Kurt @ 77
“Wow! ‘God’s Curse’! That sounds exciting!”
((((((egregious)))))
Ghostman — I believe that was this guy also.
And I’m thinking that ccmask was more snarking Big Pharma than its victims but oh, egregious, I do understand: have a close family member just diagnosed with bipolar and on his, what, third or fourth med: it is one hell of a ride.
Agree that that last statement by Lamont is a bit weak — Joe is playing a two-sided game. He feels he can do and say whatever he wants and no one can call him on it. Joe has abandoned the dem voters in his state and the dem party.
Why would Lamont not say that he is the dem candidate in this upcoming election. And is Lamont agreeing to Joe appearing as a dem on the ballot? I don’t get his response.
I kept thinking I’d seen Gerstein’s hairstyle somewhere before, and finally it hit me…the good ol’ Dick Tracy strip:
http://www.marklansdown.com/pi…..lattop.jpg
You guys should see the hissy fits that ‘Dogstar’ is pitching with his blocked comments. It’s a hoot.
Hey, Dogstar! Here’s a hint:
In moderation, NO ONE CAN HEAR YOU SCREAM.
Ghostman — I believe that was this guy also.
No, Goodstein is a completely different wanker. Not officially affiliated with the campaign, just an obnoxious lobbyist who looooves him some Joementum.
Oops, got Gerstein and Goodstein mixed up.
Never mind…
Dogstar IS quite the trouser trout…
Peterr @ 68
That’s the one thanks.
Page one of tomorrows Washington Post: Scientists Offer Proof of ‘Dark Matter’: Analysis of Galactic Collision Said to Reveal Mysterious Substance
I guess none of these scientists have ever dropped by FDL. We could have told them about darkblack ages ago . . .
When that darkblack matter meets that darkblack energy, things go boom!
Quit looking in the lab! And for the record, let me say that darkblack generally explains the workings of the universe quite well.
OT: Is anyone watching Colbert?
He has a lefty linguist with a book out on framing and he just tied the guy in knots, made him speechless, unable to argue back.
Colbert had to keep himself from throwing the guy and anvil, and from laughing so hard. The irony: the author on language could not cut through Colbert’s schtick.
What a loser. When this gets to YouTube, it will be another instant classic.
Just goes to show, folks: arguing is training. It’s like My Cousin Vinny. For anyone who’s mad at me from down below, just think of me as Joe Pesci.
GSD @
8
I wonder if they’ve equated subscription cancellations with the fact that they don’t report the truth?
HeirofPatriots @ 73
I understand he may not want to AAAAATTAAACCCCKKK! But he should at least be assertive! Joe left the party after the voters told him he couldn’t have their nomination. Either Joe should support the democratic process or he should leave the party. That’s all Ned has to say. Otherwise, he looks like he puts up with cheating.
I know the Democratic leadership should be publicly twisting Sore Loserman’s arm to give it up, but since they’re not, Ned needs to stand up for himself and the primary voters.
I’m not sure you’re right here. Let’s take a look at sleazebag Rove’s campaign in South Carolina back in the Bush – McCain 2000 primary. Bush never said a nasty thing about McCain, it was Rover’s surrogates who spread the rumors that the McCain’s adopted child was the progeny of a McCain – non white lady affair!!!.
Now, are we gonna be sleazy like that? I’d play in the highway first. But we can put out the ugly truth! about JoeLow, while Ned does what he does quite well…promoting Ned’s positive vision for this country.
Gotta run home before the rain starts, kids. Talk to you in a bit.
Thanks Eli. Thought I was losing my mind there for a sec!
The insects hanging out with HoJo just get uglier and uglier. Hopefully, the Lamont lads are hard at work researching HoJo’s latest BS about how he’s always been critical of Bush’s handling of the Iraq war. I call bullshit on that one. And I’m not just thinking of the famous “at our peril” speach of his. There’s got to be plenty more of HoJo on record cheering on the Iraq policy.
Lieberman is not much more than a Cheney Jr. He’s learned how to lie without batting an eye…just like Cheney. A royal flip-flopper. Go get ‘em, Lamont Lads.
Ghostman
be safe, TRex
Eli @ 78
Maybe you can add this song to your repertoire Eli. :)
I don’t want to be a dick, or anything, but seeing as how the right and the Lieberman whiners are probably watching our every move, comparing Lieberman to Iscariot could have.. problems. I want the —-head gone more than anyone.
TRex @ 83
That’s Siriusly funny!
There is no truth. That’s why they call them stories.
Sorry to hear it egregious. I had surgery last Thursday. My cancer is back and in 3 weeks I’m having surgery again. I guess if we all put our problems on the table, we’d pick up our own and walk away. Good luck to you and yours.
iftthethunderdontgetya, I have no problem with Ned being upbeat and positive. But this
should have been followed up with something like “and as the Democratic nominee I would welcome his support.”
I agree it’s better if surrogates bring out the truth about Sore Loserman, but acting like what Joe’s doing is OK makes Ned look like weak, IMHO.
ccmask — hugs and prayers.
egregious — the same.
Maybe you can add this song to your repertoire Eli. :)
Excellent. This is my favorite anime video.
Best wishes and happy thoughts to ccmask & egregious.
ccmask and egregious – I’m so sorry.
egregious –
I just Googled bipolar II — I can relate to that. Bipolar I comes with mania and psychosis, bipolar II is often misdiagnosed as depression, and the mood swings are missed.
Have you tried 5-HTP? It’s a tryptophan precursor, and can help stabilize moods by providing the raw material of serotonin.
It might be an alternative to the SSRI’s (Paxil, Prozac, etc) for some people.
A friend had good results with Wellbutrin, which is a Selective Dopamine Reuptake Inhibitor.
HeirofPatriots @ 98
“and as the Democratic nominee I would welcome his support.”
Well I like that one quite a bit, actually. Not out of character, and right to the point.
dannyboy @ 81
If they are treating only the depression, it will make the mania WORSE. Insist on treatment for the mania as well. Doctors are so behind the wave on this.
Also: lots of reassurance and helpful limit setting. Prayer and frequent contact. Love the person not the behavior/sinner not the sin.
BQ @ 71
BQ–talk to me. What are you on now, are you seeing a doctor, are you ok/not, friends/support? The drugs are pitiful, the knowledge doctors have worse, we are kinda on our own out here. Let one who has the light lift up the lamp for others to see.
ccmask -
explanation understood and no offense taken here, fwiw. Best of luck and strength to you in your continued fight.
egregious — our doctor is pretty good, actually: went right for the mania. But I’m chuckling: helpful limit-setting sounds wonderful and is readily agreed-to. Except, of course, when he’s manic… Loving the sinner not the sin sounds so good, but Christian charity sure is a challenge, sometimes.
oh my f’ing word! via Shakespeare’s Sister:
Armor of God PJ’s
what will they think of next?
Old Coastie — right down to the helmet (though I don’t remember Paul talking about headscarves (the Headscarf of Eternal Chastity??).
And these are the same people who put pepper on their children’s tongues to discipline them…
OldCoastie @ 109
We used to live next door to a family who so would have gone for those … they also liked spanking with a paddle with bible verses on it … we made a few phone calls, just sayin’
ccmask –
I’m so sorry to hear about your health problems.
There are some things I could suggest — email me at ckcentral at yahoo dot com, if you’d like to talk about them.
Eli @ 100
Any time BushCo starts bloviating about nuking someone, we should make them watch Anime for a few hours. Radiation clearly has detrimental effects on a country that is unpredictable hehe.
OldCoastie @ 109
Good grief. I don’t even want to think about what happens if you let your little poppet go to a sleepover wearing that stuff.
Kurt @ 111
I’m actually holding back – I can think of at least five more completely insane things I could post, just off the top of my head.
ccmask– all the best to you and please give a shout if you need anything.
dannyboy @ 110
“Headscarf of Eternal Chastity?” See, folks, this is what abstinence-only sex ed does for you. :-P
GrandmaJ @ 82
Not everything that needs to be said is best said by the candidate himself. While it may or may not help Lamont if Joe is kicked off the Democratic registration rolls, it would probably strike voters as petty if Lamont were to push it personally. Strong Lamont supporters would undoubtedly love it, but remember, the people he’s working hardest to appeal to now are people who aren’t already supporters.
egregious: I was first hospitalized for clinical depression in 1989, and in 1996 my diagnosis shifted to bipolar. Meds are working quite well at present, but even so, as we say here in the South, it’s a rough row to hoe.
My thoughts and good wishes are with you, ccmask, and all others here who are negotiating the healthcare labyrinth.
somethin’ about the Armor of God PJ’s and that little 81 year old lady that got canned as a Sunday school teacher in NY after 50 years (can’t have women teaching “men” – though I’m guessing if it’s Sunday school, it may be more like little bitty boys)…
leaves me scratching my head…
OldCoastie @
110
You *don’t* want to know about the catalogs that come across a pastor’s desk – talk about spam! Every time I get one, I think “There must be people that buy this dreck, because they keep sending out more catalogs.”
Then I wonder what got me/my church on their mailing list. Sometimes I think it must be they send them to every church in the book, and other times it makes me wonder about one of my predecessors . . .
[And not to bother the mods, but my 9:05’s been hung up for a while. (yes, I reloaded!) God forbid - so to speak - that the filters have now started to block puns! Come to think of it, I haven’t seen punaise around here recently . . .]
Oh. Mah. Gawdess. Is this a fucking joke?
I saw something that said highschool girls that took the abstinency pledge were more likely than girls who did not to engage in oral and anal sex.
At least they are thinking outside the box.
ccmask @ 98
Thx for your explanation about thinking the cure/side effects worse than the disease and that you meant no harm.
I will pray for your life and hope you will keep us posted about your cancer. Not trying to be competitive about problems. Guess I jumped to conclusions from your post but see it was not your intent to be harmful. I am sorry that I rushed to criticize you without asking where you were coming from. Please forgive me.
Can you tell me more about what kind of cancer you have, and at what stage? I have been trying to help my 45 yr old sister go thru her hurthle cell thyroid cancer treatment, so far so good.
And that book Bad things happen to good people? I SO disagree with the premise, that bad stuff happens because God is weak. Despite pervasive pain in my life, I believe He created everything and is aware of everything. “Now we see through a glass [mirror], darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.”
I am sorry to accuse you falsely and hope you will accept my apology.
Peterr – does your church have the word “church” anywhere in it’s name? that alone would probably put you on the list…
when I was a kid, I had a glow in the dark Jesus… back in those days, there was probably more radiation in that Jesus than Iran has processed so far…
one day Glow-in-the-Dark Jesus was gone… I think my mother figured out is was rather toxic…
Actually, in Canton, Ohio, where they had an abstinence-only sex-ed program, 65 out of 490 students got pregnant.
They’re using a different program next year.
You are never never never never never ever going to shame this guys – NEVER!
You have to mock them with wit and humor.
Those kids in their pj’s sure look like holier than thou warriors to me…
Do they have the footsie and union suit designs too? You gotta “save” them all, no matter the age or locale you know!
wonder if dubya and lump o’ stepford boyfriend killer wear them to bed.
Pachacutec @ 89
Too bad that this guy might have had ideas that would help us from becoming the new fascist Germany. If he can be laughed at, he is nothing.
Let’s keep our focus here.
Expecially since Joe-das Iscariot fired everyone else of importance on his campaign.
Ya mean just before they quit? Because if they didn’t they’d be too toxic for any other Dem to pick up? So where’s that leave Gerstein when Joementum loses? Oh, wait, I forgot. He’s a Republican.
egregious –
finally got properly diagnosed about 8 years ago (ye gods, has it been that long?!) Took probably 2 years to get the meds right, and I can’t say that they couldn’t use some tweaking. See a doc, but not the one who quite literally saved my life, and I need to find one I really trust (had to move from urban area cuz I couldn’t live on my pension–thank goddess I have one) Moved closer to home, so family around, but having to explain retiring at 36 to long-ago acquaintances is an exercise in humiliation. If I had a buck for every “it must be nice” I’ve heard… yeah, nice to not have to work, but to not be able to? For a completely career-identified workaholic? “Nice” is not the word that springs to mind. So, I have to admit a bit of isolation. But I have two wonderful dogs who get me out of the house and are so cute I’m forced to interact with others.
As to the recent diagnosis in dannyboy’s family, since they have called it bipolar, they would have to have recognized the mania. It’s generaly when people are misdiagnosed as depressed that you run into the probs with over-prescribing SSRIs and resultant manic episodes. That’s what happened to me, since I am what’s known as BiPolar II, or Soft BiPolar, which means I just don’t get true mania, ‘just’ hypomania (high energy, irritability, impulse control problems, insomnia…), but I get all the ranges of the lows.
The absolute best book I read on the subject was BiPolar Disorder: A Guide for Patients and Families Although I did my intensive research years ago, so there are probably other ones since, but this I remember being very accessible.
Hope that linky works, I followed the wondrouse instructions posted for Dr. Bong earlier today.
egregious @ 130
Yes – back to the pj’s!
The spike on the boy’s helmet must make a real mess of the bed. “Look, Bill, our little soldier tore another pillow to shreds last night. Better get out the chainmail pillowcase!”
So let me see if I can get THIS straight. The fundies have no problem sticking their noses into other’s religions and ancient customs, all the while wailing and keening over Muslim women wearing a hijab scarf. But it’s perfectly OK for their own Christian version of one. Uh… huh.
Oilfieldguy @ 123
BWA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! OMFG! Thank you!
ok, I can’t figure out how to fix my typos without cutting/pasting and maybe re-posting, so forgive my flapping fingers.
Hey Shez — what’s up with the stars? This last 24 hours has been completely whacked up with communication problems. Note the weird talking-past-each-other problem in 2 threads, not limited to a couple people, either. Very strange.
Almost like Mercury retro, too, other little burps going on. Spouse’s plane was late, then lost his luggage; reservation lost at hotel tonight. Like the trip from hell.
???
Oilfieldguy @ 123
Even on this, Bill Clinton was years ahead of them. :-P
Matt @
36
Bush did betray him with a kiss.
(gl)
TRex @
84
That is seriously funny stuff.
Jane Hamsher @ 137
(tapping foot) If you have something funny to say, stand up and tell the whole class.
BQ @ 136
Click on the “edit this comment” button, and your old stuff will appear back in the reply box at the bottom. Once you’ve corrected it, hit “save” and it all goes back upstairs, nice and neat and pretty.
Of course, there are two caveats: (1) you only have five minutes to do this, and (2) I don’t think it works with Internet Explorer.
Good luck!
G’nite firepups.
Peterr @ 140
The latter statement seems to match my experience. (Just one more reason to hate Bill Gates….)
Subway Serenade @ 136
I always thought the Bush/Lieberman kiss looked an awful lot like the one Michael Corleone laid on Fredo in Godfather II
Evil Dr. Puma @ 139
I meant TRex’s comment. Dogstar had already been deleted by the time I got back stage.
Jane Hamsher @ 144
All right, then. But you just watch yourself, young lady.
Jane Hamsher @
139
Why is it that when I said it at 9:05, it got sent to moderation (and it’s still there)?
;)
Great minds, Jane!
You still at Siun’s, Jane?
aahhh Peterr, I fall in the I/E caveat – I have downloaded Firefox, but haven’t taken time to install (too much news to gather and obsess over)
thanks for the help – at least now I know it’s a Gates problem and not a personal failing ;)
LOL I forgot about Doggie
StyleStar being in the pound.heh heh heh *in me best Precious Pup chuckle*
Shez – don’t miss my comment farther up. Delayed in mod (I think today has been busy behind the screens…).
Siriusly?
Ba- doom—FLOOF…!
;>)
Peterr– your 905pm is there in all its glory, siriusly! :>)
sweet, Danny’s got that JackAb the gangsta look going.
Eli you still out there? Here’s one for the so bad it’s good file hehe.
BQ (and others)
Firefox is a tasty package, and I’ve only found a few glitches in it. The tabs are a great thing when it comes to bouncing between multiple websites at the same time.
angie @ 154
Great. I’m sure the mods are on overtime these days!
Ok Rayne, I’ll hit F5.
Peterr, “Edit” function works for me in IE just fine. As long as I don’t refresh the whole page or leave the page or time out. Once in awhile if it’s a day where things are loading slowly, not so much.
Wasn’t he the guy that broke Nancy Kerrigan’s knees with an iron bar? Could have sworn it was him . . .
Peterr @ 152
It’s worth installing it just for the Adblock extension you can get for it.
I run IE on WinXP – enforced on this laptop by the corporate masters (who will not let me download Itunes or Quicktime! I must fix my powerbook!) and have no problem with edit. Check for latest versions, etc.
however, if I had a choice, Firefox it would be!
The powers that be are very afraid after the LIEberman’s loss. They pretend that LIEberman’s loss was meaningless but their over-reacting is speaking volumes. The public is sick of a gov’t that cages peaceful protestors, steals private lands, bans books like “America Deceived” from Amazon, wire-taps illegally and starts wars based on lies. LIEberman is only the beginning.
Final link (before Google Books caves to the gestapo and drops the title):
America Deceived – Book
OT but Mr. Eugene Robinson’s column today is damned fine and he will be online for questions at 1 pm tomorrow.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01148.html
As one wades into the muck and slime of what
constitutes JOE GFYS re-election bid as the
ROYAL AND ENTITLED SENATOR WHO WILL NOT LET
ELECTION RESULTS STAND it becomes so obvious
L-Man is all about L-Man and the means are all
an end to remaining in the Senate.
Evidently AIPAC has its hooks
in deep in ways that have left Washington DC
under duress that deserve full exposure for
abuse of lobby power but Americans will likely
see little of that taking place. More and more
it is becoming clear things for the USA will
be getting much worse before implosion from
the ethical rot,moral hollowness and simple
craveness of Washington DC brings on a fatal
collapse of legitimate governmental process.
As BUSH2 said
yesterday at his “press conference” nothing is
going to change his mind and if you dont like
it….too fucking bad. HE IS THE DECIDER.
JOE GFYS is all about JOE. Just like BIKERPREZ.
Bill Clintons comments in Tuesdays NYT seem to
underline the BI-PARTISAN…LETS WORK TOGETHER
theme strongly enough…a PRO-JOE message in
there somewhere? Sort of reads that way. Sigh.
Siun @
113
Hate the sinner, not the Siun!!
evening all, just caught up. been a bumpy ride tonight, looks like. I had a pretty crappy day myself – must be going around.
hugs to egregious and ccmask – surgery sucks.
couple weeks ago I got a revised diagnosis with a free upgrade (!). doesn’t change the day to day or my immediate treatment plans, but everytime there is a new treatment, new word from the doc, new anything, it is like you have to eat the whole shit sandwich over again, getting okay again with the basics of get up, get dressed, have conversations, do needful things. sucks.
I am grateful for FDL and particularly the late night board.
hugs to all y’all, really.
Peterr @
158
The only problem I have with Firefox is I have to save mp3 files to my computer before opening them. Other than that I haven’t opened IE in almost a year. Sweet Liberation.
Dale in Alabama @ 119
You are one of the lucky ones, if you can consider living with bipolar to be lucky.
Good to hear a success story, it encourages the rest of us. I figure in a generation or so the doctors will get the meds right, but what about those of us in the meantime…
Peterr, can’t wait to check it out – the tabs and adblock sound great.
I think I probably am a step behind the latest IE, Siun, seems like I got an error msg like that on another site and ignored it thinking I’d rather just switch than download more buggy crap (the IE site said ‘beta’ and I ran…)
hey, astral… bumpy day? NO KIDDIN’! how’s that cute puppy?
Oilfieldguy @
125
OH!!
BADDA-CH!!
He’ll be here all week, folks!
Trex … I kinda like a little sin … now and then ;->
astralplame @ 167
Here, kid. Have a Love Song. Hope it makes you feel a little better.
‘Nite pups.
‘nite op…
siun — can you run your preferred Firefox, iTunes and Quicktime from a memory stick?
I’ve done it with Firefox; you could download them using some non-corporate machine (library?) right to the stick, then use the stick on your corporate machine. Not technically installed on your corporate overlords’ machine, yes?
Hey OC! Bettie is not happy. We tried to trim her wooly wooly fur. It looks very silly, and her skin got a little irritated in places. My man and I feel like assholes. She is recovering from the humiliation, and I hope her fur grows back more evenly. (she is getting lots of smooches at family love on the dog hour tonight)
How about your dogs?
Thank you Subway! That was very nice!
I haaaaaate IE. I don’t understand why some of the people I work with insist on using it.
Then again, they passed on the opportunity for the entire station to be rolled over to Mac machines.
Groan.
Peasants.
Hey TRex, you’re getting better, and that’s saying something. Pretty amazing post.
Astral – my big guy is looking for more bisquits and the little one has had a naughty, naughty day (she’s thinks she is so amusing!)… a long time ago, I had an australian shepherd with the world’s fuzziest coat… every summer I took her in for a “puppy” cut… then we told her how adorable she was… after a couple years, instead of embarrassed, she would prance around very proud of her new haircut…
don’t worry – she’ll dig it eventually…
Astral, I love your doggie! That snow video just melted my butter.
She is the biggest raccoon I have ever seen.
egregious,
did you catch my reply at 129?
It took me so long to do the link stuff, everyone else was waaaaay down the page.
You guys are kinda silly. You belong at Eschaton.
no, Vicki – we belong to Late Night… besides, I sit at TRex’s right hand with peanuts… and a fan…
TRex – she must have heard you talking about her, cause she came and snuggled up under my arm right when I saw your post
she is awesome.
OC, you can’t stay mad at the naughty pups, because they are so cute
Astral, I agree with TRex, she’s one beauteous pupper. I can’t imagine her sheared down, tho. Just did my cocker and he looks so comical I can’t stand it. I tell him I’m laughing with him… Dogs are a balm to the soul.
and damn, I know what you mean about that shit sandwich….
I’m just kidding; you belong where you belong.
This is a wonderful blog, and I love visiting. I never feel quite at home here, but I’ll keep coming back, and maybe someday I can drink tea with the rest of you all.
Kudos to all of you for the thoughtful posts.
Dale in Alabama @ 121
Wishing you well. Keep us posted.
no, I can’t stay mad at her… somethin’ about her curly pig tail and that oh so serious face…
but I won’t be unhappy when her attention span extends to more than 2 seconds at a time…
Vicki, Who :hearts; Al Gore @ 189
Thanks for coming by.
I think Bettie and I will just wait for November together, when the weather is cooler and her fur is recovered.
One Christmas, one of my sisters had a big emotional scene with me, caught me by surprise. I was upset and couldn’t see where it had come from. My dad sat down with me and said “Any time you get a bunch of family members together, or any time when things are a little intense, somebody is going to show up with a shit sandwich, and sometimes you’re going to be the one who has to eat it.”
some of the best advice ever, and the image stuck with me.
William Trenton II @ 164
Exactly – if it meant nothing we would NOT have had the full court press we experienced two weeks ago.
Joe Conason made a great point on Al Franken’s show this afternoon during a conversation about Joey Two Time’s suck up to Farrakhan – Joey has proven the case that he is in bed with BushCo and key to their strategy of abuse and intimidation.
The rain is here. That always makes Juan Carlos pensive, so he is sitting underneath the coffee table, inches away from the safe haven under the sofa. He runs under the sofa when it thunders, but his butt and tail stick out. Still, he figures if he can’t see us, I guess we can’t see him.
“Shhhhh,” I tell my friends, “He’s invisible.”
If it helps, Vicki, I heart Al Gore too!
Come on over (patting the sofa) and sit a spell. Though we may be rabid lambkins, we don’t bite (much!) *g*
Faster, Pantywaist! Shill! Shill!
They Shoot Corsets, Don’t They?
TRex – you tell Juan Carlos I can’t see him either…
Awwhhh…
You guys are sweet.
I usually thrive over at Eschaton. Was the other planner, last year, for the wildly successful EschaCon.
Wait, I’ve seen that smirky face before! I know—here ’tis!
Rayne – good thought on the memory stick – I’ll give it a try! in fact, we have some corporate branded ones sitting around so I can look completely serfish.
Actually, I’ve just been lazy about fixing my PB which I do love – so this is really a reminder to myself that I need to do that!
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore @ 199
Here is my burning question. Is it pronounced “ESH-a-ton” or “ESK-a-ton”?
I didn’t make it all the way through the previous thread, but I have one final thought – the ad is mediocre (at best), and we don’t have the luxury of being mediocre in any race.
Now I have a big deadline tomorrow, and having put it off until too late, there’s a long night of work ahead. reverting to lurking…..
Vicki – welcome aboard, visit often!
BQ @ 133
BQ–
Hey thanks for responding and yay you for persevering to get where you are. I am grateful for your sharing your experience, hope it helps other commenters/lurkers on fdl. Bipolar affects so many families but there is an abundance of ignorance that causes so much pain.
ps glad you liked the html instructions. I figure if I can learn this then by definition anyone can. Observe one, do one, teach one–from medical training. Hey jump in there docs if I’m wrong :) It is nearly 2am, trying to be there for visiting long-distance children while posting. Sleep optional.
Astral,
I like that. I have one particularly toxic sibling and would kvetch about seeing her over the holidays. My boss told me, “well, at least you have a large family. A teaspoon of arsenic split among 10 probably won’t kill ya.” That’s the way the rest of us have regarded the problem ever since.
Oh, watch for sunburn on any exposed patches of Bettie’s skin (can wear a tee during walks for protection, and that also can help with her feeling ‘weird’ — a friend of mine did something similar with a Husky)
Siun @ 201
hey siun! just tell them your serfing the web…
(no shirk, no shoes: no serfish)
OldCoastie @
198
I will tell him as soon as he comes out. I don’t want to alert him to the fact that I am aware of his position.
I taut I taw a puddy tat!
BQ @ 169
And you can get flashblock, too! It keeps flash animations from playing until you click on a “play” button. It’s one more step for the YouTubes, but it’s worth it to stop the Flash pop-ups and all that flashy crap on the news outlet pages.
And let me recommend a more obscure Firefox extension — Aardvark. It lets you change the appearance of a web page in your browser; in particular, it lets you turn any page into black-on-white text. Great for all those artsy unreadable black-on-blue pages!
TRex @ 195
“ESK – uh – ton” you big lump. You know, like in “let’s immanentize the Eschaton!”
Kurt @ 210
I thought so, but I heard somebody say it the other way when I was in CT and I thought, “Oh, shit, have I been saying that wrong this whole time?” I thought it was, you know, like eschatology, but I had an awful moment of doubt.
Shez @ 124
All I can think is there have been a lot of “behind the scenes” discussions between Lamont and the powers that be about the best way to handle Lieberman. Can’t think of any other explanation.
It’s disappointing because this is between the CT Dems and Lieberman not just between Lieberman and Lamont – and the CT Dems have every right to be disgusted with Lieberman and try whatever legal means are available to make him go away. A “no comment” would have been better, IMHO.
uh-oh, Kurt, remember Trex has an invisible attack kitty named Juan Carlos who, besides being pensive, may be listening in…
Redshift,
sounding better all the time! I hate the flash ads. and big props for the Aarvark link – I end up cutting and pasting stuff into a wp program to read it in a middle-age vision friendly environment.
Fern @ 75
Thanks for sharing, it can be truly an act of courage. The more we speak out, the more we encourage other people to be open about their situations. Are you sure that you are only depressed and not manic/depressive?
Analogy to gay people being more open: painful but clear.
I spoke at church in 1993 about being mentally ill, being oblivious that one did NOT speak of such things. Ooops! :) Several people came up afterwards and said they were mentally ill and had not told a living soul.
I recently spoke again at church about being bipolar w similar results. Several people came up and said either they or family members were suffering from bipolar, generally not well treated medically, and they were desperate to learn more about how to help their loved ones. Scientists: HELP US!!!! Thank you.
Re long term effects from meds: hey at least it means you are still alive to experience long term effects. Several of my friends are not and there but for the grace of God….
BQ – thank you for the tip! I think we will try the t-shirt for a little while, because she does seem to be more uncomfortable outside. I think she will look very cute in “FREEDOM ISN’T FREE, but it could sure cost a lot less”.
I’m coming late to this party, but that son of a bitch has shoulders like a football player. Is he compensating for anything? Please respond with the number of times that’s been noted in comments already.
angie @ 213
Juan Carlos loves EVERYBODY. He is the People’s Kitty. Gus is more reserved, but still a slut for a chin-scratch.
Rayne I’m trying to answer you but getting error notices, let’s see if this one goes through.
TRex @ 200
I bet immanentize could answer that. *g* But I believe the common pronunciation is “ESK-a-ton”. Whether that’s the one Duncan favors, I don’t know.
angie @ 206
Kitties all love me…I’m a Leo hehe. Besides I can usually out-bitch them :)
I can’t believe you’re talking about atrios. After reading this blog, going over to him is like putting down one pint of ben & jerry’s and picking up a totally anal other pint,
Redshift @
120
There’s a saying that you should never stand between your opponent and a firing squad. Corallary: When your opponent is morphing into Dick Cheney, stay as far the hell away from him as you can.
Redshift @ 220
It is pronounced “Esk A Tonn”.
OT, but the AP is implying that Richard Armitage was the Woodward/Novak source. Not really news to the hardcore Plameologists, but it may force the White House press corps to actually ask a question about it.
Joe-das Iscariot
ouch so good!
There’s a saying that you should never stand between your opponent and a firing squad. Corallary: When your opponent is morphing into Dick Cheney, stay as far the hell away from him as you can.
Look, that’s sensible. But how many years of bizzaro world do you need to live in before logic totally drops off your radar?
anjinsan @ 222
Oh, please. Why would you say that?
“immantize?”
hmm
“eminemitize?”
reading is easier than pronunciating sometimes. always have to try immanentize three or four times in my head.
Sorry for taking this so off topic/mentally ill stuff.
———–egregious the
hotheadredheadI glad other have a little trouble with pronunciation… here I thought I was just being kinda dumb…
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore @ 228
Because Duncan’s been… seriously uptight? I remember what a big deal it was for atrios to admit he’s duncan black. And, uhm, I was there this morning. Nothing’s changed. Cankterous dude, still.
egregious – it’s Late Night… if it didn’t go off topic, I wouldn’t know where I was!
Punaise – I put that one there just for you!
I’ve always said Esk aton … but then I once actually wrote a paper about eschatology with greek in it and everything … way back in the day … about the eschaton being always immanent actually (honest to goddess) which remains a favored view of mine.
anjinsan @ 226
Judging from the current poll numbers, the average American needs to live in the bizzaro world for ~5 1/2 years before logic returns to their radar. And it’s been a slow but rude awakening for a lot of people.
Trex– my little kitty does impossibly sweet and funny things like your Juan Carlos is doing, too. When the rain starts, he goes into a crouch and when the thunder and lightning starts, it’s off lickety split to a hidey-place and that is usually up the stairs in the kitchen– he knows that I am a bigger fraidy cat than he is with serious storms and keeps peeking out and beckoning me with his huge, concerned eyes and his very pink nose. We huddle and cuddle in the stairwell, both trying to be invisible to the wrath of Mother Nature.
The truth be told– I really think he is just always trying to make me feel better.
astralplame @ 208
My buddy’s Husky was completely embarrassed. I think he dealt with the loss of his balls better than the loss of his fur. She’ll look mahvelous, I’m certain.
Oh, not to be a pet pedant, but the best tool I’ve found for working with fur like that is a double-rowed undercoat rake. I got one with rotating pins (goes thru the coat easier) for about $10. You’ll be amazed how much dead fur it pulls out that a regular comb won’t. If she’ll put up with it, comb against the grain at least once a week.
anjinsan @ 232
Well, I guess you’d know, since you post there so often.
anjinsan … I don’t personally read Atrios a lot (simple lack of time) but I don’t see a reason to trash another’s blog simply because I prefer to hang out here.
Frank Probst @ 235
That rude awakening can’t come soon enough. Christ, I was on this bandwagon in 2002. Sorry it wasn’t 2001, but who wasn’t pissed off back then?
egregious @ 227
That’s okay. It’s Late Night, if we haven’t gone off topic in some direction within an hour, something’s not right. *g*
We’ve been having some plumbing issues in our building lately…and every time the plumbers come to fix something, both of mine run and hide under the bed. They abandon me totally on my own hehe.
I never really wrote anything about my exciting diagnosis except for this, which I offer to the other folks here who could be happier with a more boring autobiography, medically speaking.
Whoa, who said I was trashing anything? I love that guy. I ditched the MSM in 2002 and have been reading blogs since then. You totally misread me. :)
hey – we heard you all were bashing us Atriots.
You’re fracturing the democratic party! Fracturing! Do you hear me!
I’m totally going to tell TNR on you people.
geoduck @ 244
Tell Josh I need a spanking, would you?
Atrios was utterly charming when I met him.
At least someone met him. Did I say I’ve been around blogs since 2002? Thought I’d remind everyone.
astralplame @ 168
Wow astralplame, hope you are doing ok. Thanks for trusting us with your stuff. Get up, get dressed, have conversations…ok I’m tired and ready to retreat. The world can wait, that’s my philosophy.
ccmask: cancer surgery. egregious: no surgery, just the usual bipolar hell on earth.
Hope you will check in again w how you are doing. My conscience is speaking ever more loudly about the alleged 2am on the clock and will insist on some of that overpromised sleep/oblivion thingie.
Keep us posted, and we’re rooting for you ok?
anjinsan @ 239
Can we have your autograph?? :)
Atrios is charming…and a big, sweaty lunk who loves liberty and the pursuit of freedom, and happiness.
We’re all trying to climb out of this Bush-instigated quagmire together.
Hey TRex,
I enjoyed your writings about your time in Conn.
anjinsan @ 246
Yes, yes, you mentioned that. I started my first blog back when Dean Esmay called himself a liberal. And Venomous Kate was the Judy Miller of the right-wing blogosphere.
Kurt @ 249
I’m writing it in toilet water with you know what.
egregious,
truth be told, I’m the one who gave such a long answer. But I’m also one who wants to educate as much as I can, so better to put it in the bigger forum… If you want, I can go to your blog for more interaction. Not sure if I’m up for it yet tonight, but I’ll note the addy and visit again soon.
thank you egregious! going to see the new doctor this wed – apparently he is quite awesome, so that is good.
get you some sleep, and sweet dreams to you.
geoduck @ 250
Thanks!! I’m ready to go back. It was amazing.
Fern @ 75
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siun—ygm
well, good night all… let’s hope tomorrow is a slightly better day…!
Kiss your kitties, kiss the pups!
For anyone who’s wondering, the reason blogs kicked my ass in 2002 was because I’m completely deaf. As in, FOX news is totally incomprehensible to me (as it is for everyone, but really, me especially) and since captioning on every news shows is so far behind, it’s a complete waste of time. So rather than get my words through my ears, I get them through my eyes. Blogs were an early component of political awareness once I came down from my post-9/11 high. And atrios was one of the first.
Hey TRex,
I enjoy all your writings, and laughed my a@@ off at the anthopomorphized felines’ trip to the vet. I love giving voice to the thoughts we know they have. They may not have the mental vocabulary to describe what they think and feel, those thoughts and feelings are no less vivid, and it is up to one who is able to discern their observations to share those gems with the world. You are that cat, man.
Is it just me, or does this Gerstein pic look like a still shot from the FBI’s Mafia files?
anjinsan @ 258
Good to know that we are here for you, then. That’s interesting. Have you been deaf from birth? Do you have any hearing at all in terms of super-low frequency vibrations?
Just curious.
g’nite OldCoastie and I echo your hopes for a better tomorrow.
anjinsan @ 260– wow. So many constantly educate me.
see you all later!
zzzzzzzzzzzz.
TRex @ 263
I can hear a fart if that’s what you’re asking, but don’t expect me to predict coming earthquakes. The point I was trying to make is that you gotta NOT watch TV. I know it provides immediacy, but at a price.
BQ @ 259
I was sitting and looking at Juan Carlos one day as he snuggled up next to me on the sofa and thinking about how, although their brains may be small, they seem to have all the really essential bits, i.e., an ability to give and return love, deep attachments to people and other animals. Really, I guess all they don’t have is big human vocabularies and, well, credit cards.
And who really needs that stuff?
BQ @ 184
Yes. Just being comatose/sleepy 2am-ish.
I can hear a fart if that’s what you’re asking, but don’t expect me to predict coming earthquakes. The point I was trying to make is that you gotta NOT watch TV. I know it provides immediacy, but at a price.
Uh, okay. Well, I was thinking in terms of bass sounds at concerts or, say, a big dance party. It interests me as a musician.
TRex @ 266
hey, I read stuff recently that despite their big brains, dolphins and whales are ridiculously stupid. Any marine biologists tagging along with this comments thread?
anjinsan – I have been pretty much tv-free for about eight months now – haven’t really missed it. (unless mild piratic proclivities count. you know. colbert.)
TRex @ 268
Then you’re on the right track. Deaf people can have rhythm. Hey, I said it. Try me. :)
Two years since I killed my TV and I don’t miss it at all. Everyone who comes over to my house goes on and on about how peeeeeeaceful it is. It usually takes them a couple of visits to realize that there’s no TV.
anjinsan @ 266
well this was on the radio, but you might be able to find a transcript:
Frank Probst @
236
Maybe, but the odds have been stacked against them severely — between systematic media bias (both toward overt Republicanism and toward viewing news as infotainment), an extraordinarily weak opposition party, the bureaucracy stacked with wingnut fembots and manbots 2 years out of college, and the ruthlessness of Cheney et al. toward any any sort of opposition, none of the traditional institutions have been functioning in the way they should to restrain this madness, with occasional exceptions from the court system.
For whatever it’s worth, there have been two minor developments in Fitz’s cases.
* First of all, Jason Leopold and Marc Ash http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/082106Z.shtml have renewed their insistence that Rove has been indicted.
* Secondly, per http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..k_woodward : “Then-Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage met with Washington Post reporter Bob Woodward in mid-June 2003, the same time the reporter has testified an administration official talked to him about CIA employee, Valerie Plame.”
I defer to others to determine the significance these developments.
It’s difficult to assess the language skills of whales and dolphins, due to technological issues…basically we can’t accurately mimic the sounds they make yet, and we lack the instruments to record their sounds as they would be heard by an ear underwater).
Dolphins at least display high intelligence, and the thinking is that they probably have a very sophisticated language capability. Whales I’m not sure about. Unless you are referring to K-Lo; in that case, nope, no intelligence there.
well folks, it’s been fun but sleep calls …
nitey nite!
has anyone ever rented TV shows from yesteryear? I’m talking 50’s here. Like the alfred hitchcock stuff. Commercials were few and far between. We put up with it because it’s on the telly, but would later generations trend towards product placement and less commercials? Would there be advertising burnout?
I have a television still but I forget to turn it on for weeks. And then there’s always the occasional must-see on C-Span but I can stream it on my iMac. I don’t feel I’m missing anything, with C&L clips available for all the sensational stuff I may not see…
Honestly I think I’m just waiting for the final season of Sopranos before I ditch the whole contraption completely. :)
Then you’re on the right track. Deaf people can have rhythm. Hey, I said it. Try me. :)
My old band played a gig where we submitted our lyrics a couple of weeks in advance so that two volunteers could stand at either side of the stage and sign the lyrics in ASL. I exchanged emails a few times with one of the volunteers. Interesting questions about lyrical interpretation and rhyme structure and stuff.
Then on stage, I kept looking over at them. It was fascinating to see my lyrics translated into this series of beautiful gestures. I got distracted at one point and forgot what I was singing.
But that got me thinking about trying to make music that deaf people can enjoy, which would, I think, require some very cool low-end stuff with bass and drums.
anjinsan–
Ridiculously stupid whales and dolphins? Not on your life!
Some humans though, have big brains (ie went to Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Sandhurst, London School of Economics, etc) and are ridiculously stoopid and malevolent. Cats, on the other hand, are just what they seem. Smart, loving, imperious, hungry, thirsty, sick, well, adoring, and furry. When I lived in an apartment though and had to pay “pet rent”, we did joke about the usefulness of a feline credit card/bank account. I mean, he has some belongings– his scratching post, his food and water bowls and his litter boxes, but no money.
Other than that, he has us and we have him.
Life is good.
But that got me thinking about trying to make music that deaf people can enjoy, which would, I think, require some very cool low-end stuff with bass and drums.
And yes I see the joke potential. “TRex’s new band makes music that deaf people (and possibly ONLY deaf people) can enjoy…”
I was also wondering if you could put things in there that deaf people would sense/hear that hearing people would be oblivious to.
Kurt @ 276
Intelligence doesn’t need to be measured by language capacity. And the biological description of ocean going mammalian brains is definitely compelling in terms of intelligence, plus whales and dolphins have complex social interactions. After all that study, why would there now be mainstream media opinions that saltwater mammals are stupid?
angie:
Okay, that is funny. :)
sleepy time! I wish all a good night time and a very good day tomorrow -
After all that study, why would there now be mainstream media opinions that saltwater mammals are stupid?
To inure us to the fact that we’re killing them in droves thanks to climate change? These could be the same scientists who say that global warming is a myth and evolution is a theory.
Jenny from the Blog @ 282
Of course he doesn’t have any money. He’s got no pockets to put it in!
TRex @ 267
Amen to that! Credit cards have only gotten me in trouble (and sometimes the vocabulary has, too). My dogs constantly amaze and fascinate me.
And then there’s the sheer entertainment value of a 12 lb female terrier attempting to mount a 40 lb male cocker. I really need to get a vid of that and post it. (I provide no running dialogue for that, just cheesy 70s porn music.)
Some questions are rhetoric. Anyway, deaf people definutely go for the tanglible stuff, but what’s cool is that in enhanced sense, uh, sense, we can also feel higher register stuff. it’s feeling music. So bass heavy stuff.. is.. boring
egregious,
no prob, just wanted to make sure you didn’t think I’d not replied.
TRex @ 281
I guess you could stuff a couple of bills under the flea collar for emergencies…
hee! I’m still laughing. ‘night, all.
Well I studied/study linguistics, so I tend to reduce most issues down to language hehe. But if we can identify language capacity, we can eventually learn their language and communicate directly with them, and thus assess intelligence more directly. Language doesn’t equal intelligence, it just helps assess it imho.
As to why the msm say anything at all, who knows? They are clearly a bunch of idiots on everything else, why would we listen to them on this hehe.
anjinsan @ 287
*scribble, scribble*
Sorry, taking notes.
What else can you tell me? What kind of high frequencies do you mean? Like guitars? Like the whine that’s always deep in my ears, even in a completely silent room? (Someone told me that is the sound of my blood rushing past my auditory nerve.) Like…what, exactly?
Well I studied/study linguistics, so I tend to reduce most issues down to language hehe. But if we can identify language capacity, we can eventually learn their language and communicate directly with them, and thus assess intelligence more directly. Language doesn’t equal intelligence, it just helps assess it imho.
yes, but then again we have the sound stuff. Why does language have to be sound? Is it not possible intelligent communication occurs soundlessly? Perhaps their culture is so centric that seemingly innoquous stuff contains messages. How then do we detect that?
TRex @ 288
The missing pockets and the lack of opposable thumbs pretty much sums it up, TRex!!!
definately not Danny “The Blockhead” Gerstein’s problem, though.
g’nite, really.
TRex @ 293
The whole point is to make good music. What tickles the ear also feels good. happy music is happy whether you’re playing it or feeling it through the floor. Know what I mean? :)
Just finished watching the Spike Lee Katrina HBO documentary….. Did not have enough klennix… that was hard to watch…. it was hard to watch the first time..
dab from CT @ 213
Yep dab, and I’ll go further and say that after all the pounding into our heads from the moment LieberLiar gave his concession speech that he is running as an Indy which makes him no longer a Democrat, of how it has been drummed that for Joe to stay in damages CT, their/our other 3 Dems running for other offices, us, our whole Democratic Party and America, or that we might as well not have a Democratic Party if he is allowed to stay on the rolls, then he’s got some ’splainin to do.
Sure, we can agree to this: “There’s a saying that you should never stand between your opponent and a firing squad.” But you don’t hand the opposition a direct bead on the gun sights by saying he has a right to be where everyone else is saying Joe no longer has a privilege to be. To say “that Lieberman should not be removed from the Democratic rolls” defies all logic and is undercutting our hard work to get a traitor like Joe out. Period. By tomorrow morning Joe is going to have a new cannon to use this time.
Evening, childrens…
TRex, re: music for the deaf:
There are in-wall speakers being made now, that use the whole wall as the vibrating element, the “speaker cone”, so to speak.
Often used in fancy home theater systems where space is at a premium for large box systems, the can be mounted in floating floors, so deaf folks could still feel the rythmic vibrations.
I don’t know if that’s been done yet, but I’m betting it has. I’ll look into it for ya.
yes, but then again we have the sound stuff. Why does language have to be sound? Is it not possible intelligent communication occurs soundlessly? Perhaps their culture is so centric that seemingly innoquous stuff contains messages. How then do we detect that?
Oh, sound is only a tiny portion of how we communicate and how the world communicates with us. I think that our brains are constantly reading information in ways that we may never quantify, at least, not in my lifetime. I believe that a lot of what we ascribe to paranormal phenomena is just math and science that we don’t have the numbers for yet.
Language doesn’t have to be sound as a general principle. But dolphins and whales are known to communicate with sound. The only problem for us is hearing the sounds correctly…they produce them underwater, and hear the sounds after they have traveled underwater for some distance, and our ears aren’t suited to hearing properly underwater…plus we lack blowholes and stuff hehe.
Presumably if we understood their verbal communication, we could understand the rest?
My knowledge of this is somewhat limited, as it wasn’t really my area, just an interest…and about 15 years out of date btw.
Oh TRex, for you :)
It’s simply a fact that there are many other forms of communication than sound. I, like TRex, simply think that we haven’t sussed them all out yet.
Just within the human species we have body language, pheromones, some have esp (probably more than use/admit/realize it), and I’m sure there are others I can’t name off the top of my head.
Animals can sense fear in their prey, just like we can sense desperation in a political or professional arena. That’s something we don’t quite understand yet — the gestalt of all the bits of knowledge and logic with that little bit extra of the scent of their sweat or that glint in their eye that betrays doubt. You don’t know how you know it but you know it.
Sure, other species use auditory cues to communicate, but I think they make much better use of all the other means of communication than humans do. Until we manage to understand more of those other avenues, we can’t hope to really assess the intelligence of other species, imho.
Kurt,
Marry me.
So that Truthout article basically says if the Sealed vs Sealed is still sealed in another month it would be very unusual.
And everything in their “two month investigation” is sourced to unnamed other sources except for some quotes by former federal prosecutors, who are named.
Gnight all, the kitty is fussing at me for being up so late hehe.
Somebody just promise me that Chris Kattan will play Gerstein in the movie and I’ll go to bed.
TRex @ 308
okay, but he’d need some help from Barry Bonds’ trainer.
g’night from here, too
Good night.
TRex:
Total blogwhoring, but go over to my place, I think you’ll like what I just put up.
Sigh.
Steve, that is the single gayest blog post I’ve ever seen.
But thank you.
(I really think we need to talk…)
TRex 312:
“I love you, man!”
Seriously, good music is good music, no matter where or when.
TRex, I heard that is what happens when one blogs while exposed to track lighting.
Suz:
Oh stop it!
Hey, SteveAudio!
TRex,
One of the very best late night posts in the history of this site. I kept on thinking more and more today – especially in the way you chronicled Gerstein’s sleaze – this campaign – Lamont vs Lieberman – is THE CENTRAL FRONT IN THE WAR ON THE CONSTITUTION.
Thing is, I grew up in the ’60s, when everything was new, and there were no labels.
Here in L.A., B. Mitchell Reid on KFWB played anything he wanted to, Hendrix followed by Supremes, then Vanilla Fudge, the Dusty Springfield, it was all new, and such a rush.
Without assigning ctegories, we just were inundated with the new music of the times.
I consider myself really lucky to have come af age then. Imagine being a teen today, discussing the relative punk cred of Good Charlotte vs. Greenday.
Not that those bands are bad, I’m just saying…
Hey ET!
ET, this is for you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_7FAyRyGkk
I believe someone mentioned this upthread:
Calendars show Armitage met reporter (AP)
Now it’s shown up on Yahoo/Rawstory.
AP has apparently deduced this from official State Dept. calendars that it was granted from a FOIA request. Apart from that detail, most of the article just reviews stuff all of which I believe was already out there. However, the disclosure is accompanied by the kind of positioning that we see in this case in the wake of more conventional leaks, e.g.
From my reading, that’s about it.
Oh, Steve. Deny, deny, deny…
Okay, really, good night.
And thanks, ET.
SteveAudio, hetero, damn it! @ 317
We must be about the same ages. I graduated from HS in ‘65 – got out of the army in ‘67. Spent my only length of time in CA in 68-69 with flying saucer freaks (Frontiers of Science out of San Rafael/Middletown), working with the Diggers, Jim Jones, Don Hamrick, other crazy people I can’t remember. You’re right about the music of that time. Whoever now has the “Atlantean Crystal” isn’t a musician that I’m aware of.
ET 322:
Graduated ‘66, but had skipped a grade, so I should have graduated in ‘67.
I managed to avoid the military, (First draft, my # was 13!).
Ah, well, time marches on, we need to be at the forefront, rather than lagging behind.
We all have that “atlantean crystal” That spirit hasn’t died. It’s just been cowed. Sublimated. Suppressed. Co-opted. Exploited. Cynically crushed by greedy people who determine the message of the day.
Anyone still around tonight… Looks like some serious pressure got the DSCC to change their website!
Hey TRex… Does your friend in Honolulu know me?
we’re, all of humans, essentially tribal. Some will join the Kossacks tribe, some Eshatonians. Some FDL’ians.
We go home to roost where we feelk comfortable, but it does not mean that we are at odds with one another. Au contraire: we agree on so much.
Let us not be divisive among ourselves.
anjinsan, we Atriots (Eschatonians) are pretty easy to get along with – as are you guys, I believe. But our “cranky” sheikh/laird is our guy, just as Jane et al are yours.
I read FDL every day,because it has great value to me. I hope you can find some value at our place (and I exceed myself, here, because, though I have been there a while, I am by no means an essential poster at Eschaton), as well.
Regards,
Sarah Deere
anjinsan 324:
Nicely said.
I have some cool news if anyone is around. Check out the top story on my blog. Compare the screen shot I captured 20 hours ago with the DSCC’s site link today.
Power to the Blogs!
The hell of it is, I rarely, rarely read KOS. Even now in 2006. yes, I should be taken out and shot.
Nate @ 325
nah, just casually happened when the monday morning DSCC crew showed up and said “HOLY SHIT!!!!!”
Another reason this new, free, Tom Paine-esque 24/7 CREDIBLE environment seems to work better than many obsolete or obsolescent structures.
Whoa, Tom Paine? That’s a name I haven’t seen in awhile. Is he still posting? Still alive?
I think my references to Atlantean Crystals, flying saucer people, Don Hamrick or maybe just California at the time StevAudio described brought out some stuff here….?
may have been the wrong move
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zpRA4GMwMO @ 333
Either an Atlantean or a Dolphin just visited us.
a message from the dark side?
anjinsan @ 334
both and more
described brought out some stuff here….?
may have been the wrong move
…
..
.
K5sW2TIvoW7d 4YK6ReEHgDhlir QQyzcBO9kU
(great comic timing)
So long and thanks for all the fish!
punaise @ # 337:
“K5sW2TIvoW7d 4YK6ReEHgDhlir QQyzcBO9kU”
this may be obtuse, but RTK5sW2TI%( )LOLvir%X?
Ed*ard Teller @ 339
got the lol part
anjinsan
yeah, read EVERYONE.
Eh?
I have only ever been a lurker and a reader, but tonight I wish I had God Power so I could…
START A NEW THREAD.
Sarah Deere @ 341
Sarah,
R4D2 to you2
anjinsan,
Back to the pantywaist shill we’re supposed to be putting out to pasture.
My stomach turns every time the religious and racial references in the press, right-wing hate radio, left-wing confused radio, the blogs deepen their narratives. I’m not a millenialist, but I know the territory. Since the beginning of 2006 that narrative has deepened considerably.
Mr. Gerstein has been working for Dem pols for decades. Is he pouncing with his accusations about anti-Semitism and sending his anti-black mailings right now because he thinks it resonates especially well, or is he trapped in his schtick?
nite all
Wait, wait.. Don’t you dare. That’s a cop-out. It’s been said often that even giving valuable blog-space to these people validates their arguments, and that’s long since been proven a crock of shit, but the fact remains: WHY ARE THERE NO LIBERAL VOICES IN THE MEDIA? We can whine about bias and money and blah blah blah but on the political left we apparently have money also, so WHY is there no counterpoint to right-wing gasbags in the media? Roll your eyes if you want, I don’t care. People have been bitching about this long enough… So I ask again, since television and radio are apparently as influential as they are, and there’s profit to be had, WHY IS THE VOICE OF REASON MISSING? who is not getting through and not spending the money in all the right places?
R4D2 to you2
…wha…??? (please forgive…old person…not conversant w/all acronyms…….honestly!)
SD
WHY IS THE VOICE OF REASON MISSING?
excellent – I mean it, EXCELLENT – question.
There seems to be no answer.
Sarah Deere @ 346
yeah, I got Star Wars vibes off of that one, but I might just be channeling pop culture. Life is so confusing sometimes.
Sarah, I didn’t get it either.
Dear Sarah,
“R4D2″ is a robot in the Star Wars movies. “to you” could have been spelled 2U instead. The concluding integer 2 was a replacement for “too.”
Looks like I trashed TRex’s pad again. Can’t help it…..
Star Wars: R2D2 and C3PO
Suzanne @ 349
Morn all!
Me, too – Google to the rescue…
http://www.cosmic-pearl.com/3dLW47.htm
duh! I feel so old. I remember standing in line at the Geary Theater in SF to see SW in 77(?).
Suzanne @ 353
Hyatt Cinema, Burlingame. But I thought it was R2D2…
I was reading it as some sort of hip-hop thing and totally missed the SW. Must have lost a few more brain cells.
Suzanne @ 355
My 11 yr old niece called my car “your hooptie”. Jeez, it’s a Maxima! WTF is a hooptie? Gotta be a Hip Hop term, right?
Maybe those brain cells weren’t worth keeping.
(laughing) I certainly hope not. I remember back in the day, taking graffiti vandalism reports and trying to figure out what in the heck it said. My brain would try all sorts of twists and turns. I finally figured out if I looked at through the lens of a camera, I could usually figure out the letters.
Only way I could read graffiti was to pull in tight, then pull back. Maybe the fewer brain cells, the more interpretive we are.
Yeah, it’s vandalism, but some of it is spectacular. Most of the architecture in the burbs could use a crank anyway…
Old Sow ought to be along any minute, reporting from the enigmatic Maine coast.
http://www.hazecam.net/acadia.html
g’night, dears, I will regret being awake this late on the morrow……hope you all are sleeping (and/or waking) well.
Thanks for letting me drop by.
Mawning awl..newton you know my habits too well. LOL.. And it’s 58 degrees and clear. We hope for a sunny day.
Sarah Deere, if you are still here, your name is so sweet.
Water’s hot now, gotta grind up some beans and brew some java…………
Oh, I see we have a new font here……Newton, I never saw THAT site before. Yes, that’s just about what it looks like here today. A little mist rising from the ground, but sadly, also a few clouds towards the southeast. I do like me some sunshine……
In honor of this wonderful post from our own T’rex, me thinks I’ll bake us some “Blackberry Fool” for the crowd at the lake this morning……..
I am extremely happy to report that any negative publicity arising from part one of last night’s Spike Lee documentary on hurricane Katrina can be sucessfully neutralised by pointing out that both Al Sharpton AND Harry Belafonte appeared on camera.
It is therefore clear that the entire excercise can be dismissed as a vanity project by a Hollywood liberal, aided and abetted by the liberal media, lefty bloggers, and islamofascists.
Sincerely, K.Mehlman.
Good Morning FDL, I’ve got the coffee brewing to go with OS’s “Blackberry Fool” (YUM!) Contemplating making some pear crisp (like apple crisp) for tonight. and maybe some muffins for this morning.
Hello, firepups. Nice day predicted here in Eastern Mass. Got my coffee, Little Imm has his juice….
Beardy–pear crisp or tart sounds good!
Hi Imm, how’s the day?
P.S.
Rush, would you throw in a couple of zingers about macacas, poor swimmers, and plantations? It sure would help us “complete the mission”!
Hugs, K.
It’s OK here — very busy day (classes strated yesterday for me). Was anyone hanging in the commercial thread last night to see the reaction to lisadawn’s comments? It really upset me. Add it to Lotus’ treatment the other day and it just doesn’t seem so safe around here anymore.
And I am NOT talking about modertaor actions (which I respect and love and support — Hi *ilson or Anne or whoever!!). I am talking about how a small dissenting comment is met with direct nastiness. Once again, just best to take a break, I am sure.
Good Morning Immanentize! (Got the raisin/apricot spice muffins in the oven now, should be ready in 20 minutes, So they should be cooled down nicely if you and Little Imm want to come up)
I didn’t check out the commercial thread. The commercial itself didn’t bother me too much, it seemed like a nice, comfortable political commercial. Considering I’m used to seeing the spillover from Mass. and some of the truly yucky commercials from NH, it seemed quite good. (I knows what I don’t like, it’s hard to tell otherwise what’s actually *good* )
Oh and as long as it isn’t the “Head On” commercial they have on CNN, I’m really happy with it. (I change channels when that one comes up, makes me nuts)
I’m a morning commenter here, when it’s quieter and cozier (if that makes sense in an online environment) and tend to stay out of the later posts of the day when the more politically observant, and active folks show up. I’ll read, but I don’t comment much, I just can’t keep up.
mornin’ folks
beard5 — that is so nice (little Imm would take a muffin, please) and it is also so nice for you to recommend the easier and gentler morning side. Good idea for my overstretched patience right now.
Allen’s Lead Over Webb Shrinks To Three Points
Imm, it can get a little less that courteous, can’t it, our community.
OTOH, that Kos diary about the beautiful dead women just breaks my heart. I suffer for every family that loses its members, no matter which “side”………
oops, sad news just now about the death yesterday of a great community member here….had cancer but died of a heart attack…
Good Morning Twolf! (Here have a cup of coffee, muffins will be done in a few minutes.)
Have you recovered from watching the Presnit’s Press conference, yesterday?
And thank you so much for doing the live feed for us, so that we didn’t have to listen to his lovely voice.
Hello! twolf1 –
I always wanted to ask — why is there a “1″ at the end of twolf? Sorry if I am just missing a cleverness?
Mornin’. The weatherbabe is sayin’ I’ll be loading my wagon in the rain.
OS — I am sorry about your neighbor….
I saw that link, posted it and this morning I see it is up at Eschaton as well. It was both moving and politically pointed. A great combination. As part of my most recent article (about rape and Black women) I use the Missing White Girl syndrome to point out the double standard of race in sexual assault cases. That poster did a great job of pointing out the double standard of “victimization” that exists as well. It was beautiful. Thanks for looking at it.
hi beard 5 – yes, I bounced back quickly. He is a gigantic moron with ever shrinking credibility.
imm – the ‘1′ has no meaning whatsoever. when I sign up at sites, the name ‘twolf’ is almost always taken — so I added a ‘1′ and it became a habit. There is no cleverness involved.
twolf–top of tha mornin’
OT:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/articl…..99,00.html
OFG — good luck today! Don’t get too wet and be careful out there! (Did I ever tell you my father-in-law was in the Oil Bidness in Houston? Retired now — he worked for Wilson Ind. (drilling supply) which is now Smithe)
Twolf, that’s initially how I got the 5 after ‘beard’ until I found a beard ranking scale (like the hurricane scale. The site is now lost in the mists of internet time) and the picture of a category 5 beard bore a striking resemblance. ZZTop is a category 6. So I’ve stuck with it ever since.
how’s it goin’ Old Sow. Got me coffee brewin’ and tryin’ to get awake.
beard5 — If zztop is a Dusty “6″, please don’t go there….
twolf1,
That birdie sorta reminded me of Scooter hobbling around on crutches when he was indicted. They are both “lapwings.”
Its too bad Democrats can’t infilitrate the Republican party the same way the Republicans have done it. Its Dems biggest weakness that they don’t find licking dog shit off the ground and then spitting it out in public a worthwhile carreer.
Oilfieldguy @ 386
lol
Good morning vietnam!
What’s the problem with the comments today? My posting doesn’t show up!
lapwing or crapking
Test BULLSHIT test
Gotta catch a train — I’ll catch y’all in a half an hour….
i see your comments Gary
No Imm, you never mentioned that. I have an old Wilson patch that I tore off of a hat and sewed onto a Levi jacket along with many others. I like to wear it to Oil shows and watch the salsemen fall all over theselves trying to sell me crap. They think I gotta really be somebody with so many corporate logos, sorta like a NASCAR driver for big oil.
Hi Tommy, how goes it?
Talk to ya later Imm
Imm, I’ve actually trimmed the beard down to something closer to a category 4 now, it’s substantial, but I no longer hear people shout “Sasquatch!” and start snapping pictures.
pretty good wolfie. might get rain today, which is a big deal. it’s been another killing summer.
gonna have a cuppa with wife–see y’all soon.
Imm, travel well!
Well friends, Life’s a little upset here just now–a dear friend has died unexpectedly and we have to help with phone calls. Catch y’all later……. exit left Old Sow leaving Blackberry Fool on the groaning board
OS, my sympathy goes out to you and their family. See you later.
sorry ’bout your loss OS. hang in there.
You saw my comment about that jerk Gerstein, twolf?
I don’t. Where is it?
Gray @ 403
no, just the 2 when u were testing. 390 and 392
This guy is looking and grinning like a retarded.I would help him cross the street or bind his shoes, sure, but I wouldn’t pay him any attention if he’s talking about politics. How did this chucklehead become a Dem staffer? Do they take everybody who’s applying for the job, no matter how unsuitable, just like the Bulls*** Moose?[Moderator — do not joke and laugh at people like that]
Sad news OS, I’m off to work. See you in the dark.
hit F5 to completely reload your page —-
Iran to issue nuke program response at 8 AM EDT
jeebus! M$M still beating the JBR story. Please make it stop… make it stop!
Twolf, I turned on CNN, and it appears to be all JBR, all the time. So I’ve turned down the volume and have been looking through pictures of the recent war in Pennsylvania. (Pictures taken by my friend Master Liam St Liam, lovely, lovely man, truly restores my faith in humanity, all on his own)
Pennsic War XXXV
beard5 – I gave up on M$M for now. Watching repeat of Daily Show and Colbert on Comedy Cent.
where in PA were those pictures taken?
but the vandals took the handles…
It’s about an hour north of Pittsburg, here’s the site for details about the event. 11,595 attendees this year, that means, for these two weeks, that campground had 3 times the population of my town. yeep.
(Come hell or high water, I’m going next year, even if I have to be medicated the entire time)
Gray, I don’t know if you had links in your post, but I know if I do more than two links, it goes into moderation. And, generally, after a few minutes to half an hour, if I hit F5 (not refresh comments) Poof! It’s there. (I have no trouble waiting, moderators need to answer the call of nature also)
(disclaimer: I’m a moderator at a very large writing site, though I’m mostly the chatroom moderator, rather than the board postings)
New Thread Upstairs!
Gray — please see comment # 405. It was explained nicely. You have proceeded to get angry and uncool. Chill, please…
“Gray — please see comment # 405. It was explained nicely. You have proceeded to get angry and uncool. Chill, please…”
You say that to me? I posted that comment half a dozen times in different wordings because the ‘Moderator’ didn’t give me a clue. I thought it was one of those filter issues. When I complained about this kind of unhelpful moderation, my further comments were blocked, and even my IP. Have to change IPs and names to post here. I’m usually a relaxed guy but this makes me get angry now, sure. Don’t complain about me, say some words to that ‘Moderator’ who obviously is not up to this job.
Tom @ #27 discusses how it is mainly Elderly people who come out to vote. From working the polls both inside, and last Primary outside I know this to be true. One thing the Elderly does not like is Change.
So it will be interesting in November to see if they view the Change they are uncomfortable with as Lieberman, or pulling a lever which does not say Democrat on it.
While phone banking and door to door visits, STRESS to these people things that are important to them.
The price of gas and this winter’s heating oil is directly connected to Joe’s vote for the Energy Bill which is now giving Oil companies record profits.
Joe wants to keep our troops in Iraq, which has now been shown is all a lie and those people are fighting to get us out of their country, they are not coming over here.
Joe voted for Bush’s tax cuts for the wealthy. he approved Brown in 42 minutes and remember what he did in New Orleans. He voted for the Bankruptcy bill so people with huge medical bills cannot file bankruptcy. He wants to privatize Social Security, which is the first step towards dismantling the entire program.
Their grandkids will be strapped the rest of their lives with the deficit Bush/Lieberman created from this Invasion.
He voted for NAFTA and CAFTA, which has hemorraged thousands of jobs from Ct.
He just voted for OMAN to maintain our ports.
etc, etc.
Gray — this blog is provided free. Our moderators do an enormously difficult job behind-the-scenes sifting through a substantial amount of spam and dreck to keep things running smoothly. They also do their jobs free of charge to you. We don’t demand that anyone chip in on our expenses (which are substantial) unless they feel that they get value here, nor do we require a subscription service.
But I will not tolerate someone getting shitty with the moderators because their instant whim wasn’t taken care of in the moment that they wanted something. We are not a bunch of five year olds fighting for a toy. And I’ll thank you to keep that in mind — the moderators work their asses off for us because they value the site and the work we are trying to do. Which makes them all the more valuable to Jane and I. So can it. Am I clear?
“But I will not tolerate someone getting shitty with the moderators because their instant whim wasn’t taken care of in the moment that they wanted something.”
With all due respect, reddhedd, and thanking you for answering personally – if it’s technically possible, look at my comments who were rejected. You’ll notice that I changed wording several times because I thought some filter was blocking them. Then I asked about any problems with the comments today. This took several minutes. All the time, the ‘Moderrator’ didn’t give me a clue, and the comment system didn’t give me a feedback about the nature of the problem. However, I didn’t call the Moderator names, I just once complained about ‘f***ing censorship’, sry for that. I should have said, ‘PC gone wild’. Even though I stayed quite reasonable regarding theses circumstances, first the ‘comment not really published’ feature was used on me, then my username and even my IP was blocked. Sry, but imho this went way to far, I’m not some troll engaging in ad hominem attacks. I think this whole issue is an example how NOT to moderate comments in a LIBERAL blog.
Just my two cents. I’ll go posting at my other favorite blogs again where they don’t treat me like a barbarian for a single sentence that may go too far. Thank you for your attention.
I saw this guy on TV arguing with Al Sharpton. Gerstein appeared highly … druged up… he was pratically doing a Tom Cruise on his chair and was so aggitated by Sharptons comments he just couldnt contain himself and started shaking and twitching … it was really odd.. I kept saying to myself is this guy on cocaine? what is wrong with him?
Lieberman is Mike Dukakis.
Gray — let me explain it to you in very simple terms. We have a few regulars here who have children that they dearly love. These children are special needs kids and the phrasing that you used is hurtful. We try to build a community where ideas can be discussed — but that is one area where both Jane and I have zero tolerance. Because it is incredibly hurtful to several people that we care about very much. I am done explaining this — it was never about your ego or you at all, it was about being kind and considerate of the feelings of some very dear people who post here regularly whose children face nasty taunts and worse on a daily basis — and who don’t need to be dealing with them here as well. Period.
I think a round of applause goes to Howie Klein, who was one of the first to have to deal with Le Gerstein.
“We have a few regulars here who have children that they dearly love. These children are special needs kids and the phrasing that you used is hurtful.”
Now that’s an explanation that makes sense. Sry to hear that. But I couldn’t know that, ok? I wouldn’t have had any problem eschanging that snetnecne if anyone would have pointed this out to me in time. generally, if you want to implement some kind of PC here, fine, your blog, but pls be more transparent about that. There isn’t any notice about posting guidelines in the ‘Leave a reply’ section, and if a comment isn’t published, there’s no feedback if it’s a network issue, a filter blocking a single word or the ‘judgement’ of the ‘moderator’. This is a quite sophisticated comment system, I’m sure it wouldn’t be much of a problem to implement a link to the ROE and some notice if a posting is blocked. This would avoid totally unnecessary trouble about avoidable misunderstandings.
Another point: “it was never about your ego or you at all” Right, it was about the ego of the moderator, even though I couldn’t know that he/she were offended ny my rant that was targetted at Gerstein. Well, I checked some comments in another thread later. Imho the rising number of people slimily praising the moderator’s work, even though they don’t have any insight on which comments are blocked and why, shows that commenters here are afraid of being arbitrarily blocked by a moderator that felt personally offended by an otherwise harmless remark. I think this is an alarming sign for a blog, showing that open discussion is limited to what people think would be ok with the mods.
I don’t say moderators are generally a bad thing, imho they are necessary for a blog which regularly has several hundred comments on every single thread. But the guidelines have to be clear for them and for the commenters. And I think those guidelines should involve the vlocking of ad hominem attacks among commenters, of insulting four letter words and of hate speech. I see lots of four letter words in the stories and the comments, there’s ad hominem attacks too, and I’m not at all sure about the absence of hate speech. Good luck in improving the performance of ‘moderation’.
Having said that, this is my last post here. I respect that you want to shield the sensibilities of the community here, but I don’t want to be subject of blurred guidelines that result in an overblown and annoying response. There’s lot of other blogs that have a much clearer and more common sense approach towards comments, nobody has to go through the annoying comment system here if he feels uncomfortable with that. Well, I guess you won’t miss me. Have a nice time, Reddhedd.
Wahhhhhhh – it’s all about Meeeeeeeeeee. Bye, Gray Lieberman, you oblivious fuckwit. Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on your way out. I predict this will survive moderation just fine, and you won’t have the slightest clue why it did and yours don’t.
Gerstein can’t be compared to Rove or even be a Rove lacky. Rove is successful. He would better be compared in ability and talent to Dick “I’m paying you to suck your toes” Morris. A skank of monumemtal proportions. It must be his goal.
Pests are notoriously difficult to stop. So are cancerous tumors. And even if Mr. Joe loses, Mr. Dan G will be getting a top paid job.
If you’re a member of the Executive Class or its junior partner, the Government Class, you always get paid well no matter how much you lie.
Yay class system!
Um, this is a rather long and involved deal you have going here dude. Why not just start your own blog for free and be able to say what you like? That’s what is so cool about blogs, dude, you can start your own and then that way you won’t be oppressed any more. Yay Internets!
Gray @
426
Is that really a picture of Dan Gerstein? I thought it was Bugs Moran, or Bugsy Siegel, or maybe Lucky Luciano. Gerstein must have studied those guys when he was putting together his look.
I’ve never seen a Russ Meyer paraphrase put to better use. I bow, Mr. TRex, I bow to your diamond star halo of word smithing. I can only surmise that you follow a long line of southern gentlemen writers. Faulkner would be proud (if he wasn’t wetting himself).
This particular piece of work deserved the satire of a master and it is comforting to see that you provided that required mastery.
Thank you!
JohnSwifty
I thought it was Alfred E. Newman at first glance!