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		<title>By: BlueWashington</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/08/20/three-cheers-for-kerry/#comment-257831</link>
		<dc:creator>BlueWashington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2006 05:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;‘But “perception is reality” and perhaps if Kerry/Edwards had spent some of that rumored $15Mil in surplus campaign funds on PR, Kerry’s rep as a possible future Presidential contender would not be in the dumper.’ &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hey, S.O.S. from MA, Kerry couldn’t spend that money - that’s the money he had left over before the convention. After the convention he was using federal campaign funds - as is the law after one has been nominated. The 15 G’s from the primaries had to be set aside. (FYI - Gore had several millions laying around after his convention, too.)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;One BIG problem Kerry had was the convention. The Dem convention and the Repug convention were about a month a part. Kerry was on federal campaign funds before Shrub was. Shrub could still raise primary funds for an extra 30 days - run the swifties at Kerry.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;FYI - after the election, Kerry’s been spreading the that 15 million around. Here in Washington he gave $200,000.00 to the Gregoire Campaign for the governor’s election recount we had here last year.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>‘But “perception is reality” and perhaps if Kerry/Edwards had spent some of that rumored $15Mil in surplus campaign funds on PR, Kerry’s rep as a possible future Presidential contender would not be in the dumper.’ </p>
<p>Hey, S.O.S. from MA, Kerry couldn’t spend that money &#8211; that’s the money he had left over before the convention. After the convention he was using federal campaign funds &#8211; as is the law after one has been nominated. The 15 G’s from the primaries had to be set aside. (FYI &#8211; Gore had several millions laying around after his convention, too.)</p>
<p>One BIG problem Kerry had was the convention. The Dem convention and the Repug convention were about a month a part. Kerry was on federal campaign funds before Shrub was. Shrub could still raise primary funds for an extra 30 days &#8211; run the swifties at Kerry.</p>
<p>FYI &#8211; after the election, Kerry’s been spreading the that 15 million around. Here in Washington he gave $200,000.00 to the Gregoire Campaign for the governor’s election recount we had here last year.</p>
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		<title>By: TfqQxjLQoz</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2006 08:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: FastMovingCloud</title>
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		<dc:creator>FastMovingCloud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2006 00:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;“teh next vp of the uniteted states of america, russ, teh man that brought darth cheney to HIS KNEES “&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hey, me to me, why only VP?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p>Hey, me to me, why only VP?</p>
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		<title>By: S.O.S. from MA</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/08/20/three-cheers-for-kerry/#comment-255125</link>
		<dc:creator>S.O.S. from MA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Aug 2006 20:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I take your points, &lt;b&gt; silence is complicity&lt;/b&gt;.  Perhaps I should reserve judgment, especially since Rep. Conyers is one member of Congress whose guts and work I have long respected.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I am DEFINITELY not advocating going around the law, but I can’t help thinking that Kerry’s lack of election-night (or post-election-morning) fight was a major disservice to the nation as a whole and to the (more than 50% of the) voters who cast their ballots for him.  Because the lack of that fight has condemned us to be where we are.  The longer it takes for this “solid case–one that wouldn’t be thrown out of court” to appear on the docket, the more time the Bushies have to destroy the impartiality of those same courts!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;[Like, for example, anyone wanna lay odds on any of those supposedly “airtight” cases actually being HEARD prior to the mid-terms?  I didn’t think so]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The least Kerry could have done on Election Night/post-election morning, imho, would have been to say “THEY DONE ME WRONG! But I can’t prove it now.  So the only thing I can do is accept this apparent result.  But, WATCH THIS SPACE.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That, I think, would have put the nation, the Bushies/Neocons, and Republican Party on notice that there was more fight in him yet.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I see John Conyers out there fighting the good fight.  I see where you quote Conyers as giving credit to Kerry/Edwards for staying in the fight.  But “perception is reality” and perhaps if Kerry/Edwards had spent some of that rumored $15Mil in surplus campaign funds on PR, Kerry’s rep as a possible future Presidential contender would not be in the dumper.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But it is.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I take your points, <b> silence is complicity</b>.  Perhaps I should reserve judgment, especially since Rep. Conyers is one member of Congress whose guts and work I have long respected.</p>
<p>I am DEFINITELY not advocating going around the law, but I can’t help thinking that Kerry’s lack of election-night (or post-election-morning) fight was a major disservice to the nation as a whole and to the (more than 50% of the) voters who cast their ballots for him.  Because the lack of that fight has condemned us to be where we are.  The longer it takes for this “solid case–one that wouldn’t be thrown out of court” to appear on the docket, the more time the Bushies have to destroy the impartiality of those same courts!</p>
<p>[Like, for example, anyone wanna lay odds on any of those supposedly “airtight” cases actually being HEARD prior to the mid-terms?  I didn’t think so]</p>
<p>The least Kerry could have done on Election Night/post-election morning, imho, would have been to say “THEY DONE ME WRONG! But I can’t prove it now.  So the only thing I can do is accept this apparent result.  But, WATCH THIS SPACE.”</p>
<p>That, I think, would have put the nation, the Bushies/Neocons, and Republican Party on notice that there was more fight in him yet.</p>
<p>I see John Conyers out there fighting the good fight.  I see where you quote Conyers as giving credit to Kerry/Edwards for staying in the fight.  But “perception is reality” and perhaps if Kerry/Edwards had spent some of that rumored $15Mil in surplus campaign funds on PR, Kerry’s rep as a possible future Presidential contender would not be in the dumper.</p>
<p>But it is.</p>
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		<title>By: silence is complicity</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/08/20/three-cheers-for-kerry/#comment-255118</link>
		<dc:creator>silence is complicity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Aug 2006 19:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://fairnessbybeckerman.blogspot.com/2005/08/kerry-and-edwards-to-stay-in-recount.html&quot;&gt;http://fairnessbybeckerman.blo.....count.html&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Kerry and Edwards to Stay in Recount Case!!! Trial to Start in August 2006 Don McTigue, attorney for John Kerry and John Edwards, appeared in federal court in Toledo, before Judge Carr, on August 30th, and told the Court that Kerry and Edwards intend to remain in the case. Judge Carr set an August 22, 2006 trial date. Additionally he consolidated the two recount cases, Rios v. Blackwell and Yost v. Cobb &amp; Badnarik. He gave the plaintiffs until September 15th to file amended pleadings (plaintiff’s counsel had requested an opportunity to streamline their claims). Judge Carr set a discovery cut-off of May 1, 2006, and ruled that any summary judgment motions must be made by May 15, 2006.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p>Kerry and Edwards to Stay in Recount Case!!! Trial to Start in August 2006 Don McTigue, attorney for John Kerry and John Edwards, appeared in federal court in Toledo, before Judge Carr, on August 30th, and told the Court that Kerry and Edwards intend to remain in the case. Judge Carr set an August 22, 2006 trial date. Additionally he consolidated the two recount cases, Rios v. Blackwell and Yost v. Cobb &amp; Badnarik. He gave the plaintiffs until September 15th to file amended pleadings (plaintiff’s counsel had requested an opportunity to streamline their claims). Judge Carr set a discovery cut-off of May 1, 2006, and ruled that any summary judgment motions must be made by May 15, 2006.</p>
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		<title>By: silence is complicity</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/08/20/three-cheers-for-kerry/#comment-255066</link>
		<dc:creator>silence is complicity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Aug 2006 19:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sos and Sunny,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Also the Honorable John Conyers disagrees with you too.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“”Fighting for Every Voter” &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A few more words about an issue that is of the utmost importance to me. As political candidates, we spend considerable time and effort every election cycle fighting for votes… &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A few more words about an issue that is of the utmost importance to me. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As political candidates, we spend considerable time and effort every election cycle fighting for votes. After the election, whether won or lost, many candidates leave the irregularities of the election behind. But we owe the voters more than that. When voters are disenfrachised, we owe it to them to seek justice and expose the truth. &lt;b&gt;That is why I have been so proud of the Kerry-Edwards campaign’s ongoing involvement in the investigation and litigation of what went wrong in Ohio. I wrote to the candidates recently to ask that they continue to be involved in this important endeavor. &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
This is not about the past. It is about figuring out what went wrong and why — and then getting the next election right, not for the Democratic Party, but for all of the voters. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;- John Conyers”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.conyersblog.us/archives/00000213.htm&quot;&gt;http://www.conyersblog.us/archives/00000213.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Ultimately, if you chose to support John Kerry or John Edwards or anyone else, it’s your decision.  But at least base it on facts and not election night misinformation.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sos and Sunny,</p>
<p>Also the Honorable John Conyers disagrees with you too.</p>
<p>“”Fighting for Every Voter” </p>
<p>A few more words about an issue that is of the utmost importance to me. As political candidates, we spend considerable time and effort every election cycle fighting for votes… </p>
<p>A few more words about an issue that is of the utmost importance to me. </p>
<p>As political candidates, we spend considerable time and effort every election cycle fighting for votes. After the election, whether won or lost, many candidates leave the irregularities of the election behind. But we owe the voters more than that. When voters are disenfrachised, we owe it to them to seek justice and expose the truth. <b>That is why I have been so proud of the Kerry-Edwards campaign’s ongoing involvement in the investigation and litigation of what went wrong in Ohio. I wrote to the candidates recently to ask that they continue to be involved in this important endeavor. </b><br />
This is not about the past. It is about figuring out what went wrong and why — and then getting the next election right, not for the Democratic Party, but for all of the voters. </p>
<p>- John Conyers”</p>
<p><a href="http://www.conyersblog.us/archives/00000213.htm">http://www.conyersblog.us/archives/00000213.htm</a><br />
Ultimately, if you chose to support John Kerry or John Edwards or anyone else, it’s your decision.  But at least base it on facts and not election night misinformation.</p>
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		<title>By: silence is complicity</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/08/20/three-cheers-for-kerry/#comment-255056</link>
		<dc:creator>silence is complicity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Aug 2006 19:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;SoS and Sunny,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Your facts are wrong. John Kerry still has a lawsuit in Ohio that’s suppose to start this month. The lawsuit tackles the Civil Rights violations and violations of the Voting Right’s Act for miniorities.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now if he had stopped fighting, then why would he have spent the last 2 years working with lawyers to build a solid case–one that wouldn’t be thrown out of court like Fritakis’s case..the one that they stayed in with even though their attorneys said that one would likely fail. Fritakis’s was thrown out of court as they knew would happen.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;However, they have a very strong case–technically two cases–that were not thrown out of court. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m just curious though…how come nobody seems to know about these two very strong cases–cases that if he wins will set precident for future elections?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Maybe it’s time people started giving Kerry his due. Afterall, Gore stood in front of the cameras and shouted fraud…without proof and the media and people made fun of him. Then Kerry went behind the scenes and tried to resolve election crimes through legal measures and you still have people blaming him.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Maybe nobody should run for office since the only thing you get is people complaining no matter what you do. OR maybe people should run for election warden offices so that they can protect our democracy and not let the Republicans steal it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SoS and Sunny,</p>
<p>Your facts are wrong. John Kerry still has a lawsuit in Ohio that’s suppose to start this month. The lawsuit tackles the Civil Rights violations and violations of the Voting Right’s Act for miniorities.</p>
<p>Now if he had stopped fighting, then why would he have spent the last 2 years working with lawyers to build a solid case–one that wouldn’t be thrown out of court like Fritakis’s case..the one that they stayed in with even though their attorneys said that one would likely fail. Fritakis’s was thrown out of court as they knew would happen.</p>
<p>However, they have a very strong case–technically two cases–that were not thrown out of court. </p>
<p>I’m just curious though…how come nobody seems to know about these two very strong cases–cases that if he wins will set precident for future elections?</p>
<p>Maybe it’s time people started giving Kerry his due. Afterall, Gore stood in front of the cameras and shouted fraud…without proof and the media and people made fun of him. Then Kerry went behind the scenes and tried to resolve election crimes through legal measures and you still have people blaming him.</p>
<p>Maybe nobody should run for office since the only thing you get is people complaining no matter what you do. OR maybe people should run for election warden offices so that they can protect our democracy and not let the Republicans steal it.</p>
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		<title>By: S.O.S. from MA</title>
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		<dc:creator>S.O.S. from MA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-254982&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;HotFlash @ 355&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;…WRT Chuck Hagel, I have to say&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;href&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0301/S00166.htm&quot;&gt;http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0301/S00166.htm&lt;/a&gt;   or just google Hagel Diebold&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt; True.  I never look at Hagel as legit, despite (or probably BECAUSE OF) his self-positioning for ‘08, because of his voting-machine connection.   We must keep that taint in the public eye (you should pardon the expression).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Your other two points are also true and good, but I wanted to jump in quick and lend particular support to your  Hagel thing.  I don’t trust the guy.  Of course he’s a Republican which is crappy for starters…  but he’s a future “contender” so watch out.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-254982"><em>HotFlash @ 355</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>…WRT Chuck Hagel, I have to say<br />
<a href="href"></a><a href="http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0301/S00166.htm">http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0301/S00166.htm</a>   or just google Hagel Diebold</p>
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<p> True.  I never look at Hagel as legit, despite (or probably BECAUSE OF) his self-positioning for ‘08, because of his voting-machine connection.   We must keep that taint in the public eye (you should pardon the expression).</p>
<p>Your other two points are also true and good, but I wanted to jump in quick and lend particular support to your  Hagel thing.  I don’t trust the guy.  Of course he’s a Republican which is crappy for starters…  but he’s a future “contender” so watch out.</p>
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		<title>By: S.O.S. from MA</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/08/20/three-cheers-for-kerry/#comment-254998</link>
		<dc:creator>S.O.S. from MA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-254835&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Sunny @&lt;br /&gt;
                349              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;BULLSEYE!  Thank you, Senator Kerry, for speaking out boldly…now.  But when it really counted, and when everything was on the line, you sold us out.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Thank you,&lt;/em&gt; Sunny.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<blockquote><p>BULLSEYE!  Thank you, Senator Kerry, for speaking out boldly…now.  But when it really counted, and when everything was on the line, you sold us out.</p></blockquote>
<p><em>Thank you,</em> Sunny.</p>
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		<title>By: fahrender</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;well “Jeff”,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If you really read what’s here you would know how little you got before you decided to spout off. Lieberman didn’t quit the party, he just decided not to let the Democrats of Connecticut decide that Lamont was truly their candidate. And now he is throwing into jeopardy the chances of other Democrats in Connecticut become elected in November. Does that sound like someone who is a true Democrat?&lt;br /&gt;
We here at FDL want a bigger Democratic representation in Congress. Joe Lieberman is making that more difficult because he won’t support the Democratic Candidate for the U.S. Senate. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ned Lamont will have an easy time defeating Schlessinger and Karl Rove knows that. That’s why Karl is supporting Joe Lieberman. That’s why Fox News and Rush Limbaugh and every other pompous Republican ass is supporting Lieberman. Ned Lamont is a true Democrat. Joe Lieberman is a Republican enabler.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well “Jeff”,</p>
<p>If you really read what’s here you would know how little you got before you decided to spout off. Lieberman didn’t quit the party, he just decided not to let the Democrats of Connecticut decide that Lamont was truly their candidate. And now he is throwing into jeopardy the chances of other Democrats in Connecticut become elected in November. Does that sound like someone who is a true Democrat?<br />
We here at FDL want a bigger Democratic representation in Congress. Joe Lieberman is making that more difficult because he won’t support the Democratic Candidate for the U.S. Senate. </p>
<p>Ned Lamont will have an easy time defeating Schlessinger and Karl Rove knows that. That’s why Karl is supporting Joe Lieberman. That’s why Fox News and Rush Limbaugh and every other pompous Republican ass is supporting Lieberman. Ned Lamont is a true Democrat. Joe Lieberman is a Republican enabler.</p>
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