Ned
Jane
Kobe
Christy
Pach

Teresa !

LOL Pom poms as promised!

If Joe gave a fig about the Democratic Party he would’ve given a graceful concession speech and stepped aside. Lamont would be the next senator from Connecticut hands down. I still think he will win but… damn.

Kobe for sure.

It is Dick Cheney who is in the “last throes”. I voted for John Kerry against Bush. Hillary, why don’t you get hip? Do something!

I am listening to a local talk show host on our Air America station… he said that what we have right now is a Perfect Storm, the perfect storm of a Repug Party. Massive corruption, liars, thief and shredding of OUR Constitution and Bill of Rights.

We got where we are by playing nice and by the rules. Well thankfully, our elected officials can learn. You do not take a knife to a gun fight. We are in a battle for our way of life and I am thrilled to see that not only are they bringing the correct weapon but firing both barrels!

About F*nking time!

And it’s about time for the rest of the Dems to wake up and knock the cobwebs out from their heads and start talking sense…….there is nothing worse that the GOP’s operatives could do to any individual Dem than what they are doing to the US in aggregate. Now IS the wave of the future, and we need that wave to be a veritable tsunami of change in order to reclaim our country from the evil governators………

I really think that the right thing to do here is turn Joe into a Republican. If Joe won’t stand up and officially be one, then we have to do it for him. That also means doing whatever it takes to tick him off so he will jump ship. Yes, the Senate might be in the balance, but this party needs to define itself. Kerry and a few others- like Fiengold, see the light. I just wish the Senate leadership would get on board with the program.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 6

It is Dick Cheney who is in the “last throes”. I voted for John Kerry against Bush. Hillary, why don’t you get hip? Do something!

Well she did throw some mad money at Ned, five grand. That’s probably the equivalent of a cuppa coffee and a scone from her political war chest. Thanks Hill!

Has any called Holy Joe a Quisling yet or is that too loaded a term?

-GSD

$5000 was the very max Senator Clinton could donate to Ned — she did it immediately . . .

Hmm, I must be hungry. Figs and scones… yum.

*ilson:

I seriously did not know that. Thanks for the info.

This afternoon on npr, can’t remember the program, Turley was talking about the NSA decision and said that, in terms of the case going to the Supremes on its path through the courts (which it surely will), Alito is the “best friend this administration has” and that Alito votes for the administration’s benefit “without thinking”. Powerful words, and I couldn’t agree more. He also spoke about how Bush has repeatedly committed felonious crimes by ignoring the FISA court and the warrants required many many many times and asked what will happen to hold him to account for that?

Joe’s not a Quisling — he’s a full-blown Quisle !

I LOVE that everyone is saying “cheney has been wrong on just about everything”, but I REALLY think we can render chebey a CLOWN;

“Dick Cheney has been the most inept president in American history, this man who has NO military experience, who dodged the draft 5 times, had the NERVE to overule our own military generals, the finest military minds in the world…he needs to STOP making policy or statements like he has which have damaged this country and abused our military for his personal military experiemnt”

that one would embarrss that man and he might never show his face again

to the point the president would look to use him as a scapegoat

in addition, statements like that would poisen skooters defense when skooter tried to use the vice president as an axcuse

this could be JUGE, and I hope people start to get this kind of descriptive when asked about cheney again

BING

Somewhere today I read why it is sooo important for the leaders of the Democrtic Party cut RGJoe off at the pockets. He needs to be stripped and slapped down completely.

If Joe wins as a “CT for Lieberman” party member and is embrased by the Dem leaders, then what is the purpose of a political party? You either have rules as a member of that party or you don’t. When you don’t then you really do not have a party.

Next…. what do you tell the children?
You tell your kids to play by the rules but then you have RGJoe out there making shit up.

It’s time for Harry Reid, Chuck Schumer, Chris Dodd and the others to say what John Kerry dares to say!

Lieberman said the Bush administration should have sent more troops into Iraq “to secure the country.”

“We I had a naive vision that the Iraqis were going to embrace us and then go on and live happily ever after,” he said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..ieberman_1

Edited ; )

karen allen @ 19

It’s time for Harry Reid, Chuck Schumer, Chris Dodd and the others to say what John Kerry dares to say!

let’s give the credit where it’s due, I beleive it was teh man, feingold who coined the expression first

if it was someone who did it before russ, then that person needs to get the credit,, but I believe it was russ

teh next vp of the uniteted states of america, russ, teh man that brought darth cheney to HIS KNEES

could someone PUHLEEZE tell me step by step how to edit, I CAN’T DO IT

There are a lot of people who slam Kerry for his sadly obvious flaws, but he is at least sincere and steadfast when it comes to trying to be fair and stand up for what he believes is right. Another thing about Kerry, aside from his unwillingness to stand up to the swiftboaters and election crimes, he does make statements like this one when others are busy talking behind their hands so nobody can pin them down on what they have said. He’s a good senator, all things considered. I’m glad to have him and Ted Kennedy advocating for the folks here in MA and have always voted for them.

Me to me @21: I just want them to come out and call out Lieberman. I’m not interesting in ranking them in order.

Dick/Joe = 18% approval rating and falling fast.

Joe’s quick to send other people’s kids off to Iraq to fight Cheney’s war — the Liebermans just sent their 19yo youngest child off to Israel to study …

As to Senator Clinton, I am visualizing something a little bit significant. Say…something like “let’s get out of the civil war that is Iraq”. Let’s bring our soldiers home. Now! And perhaps the Senator could follow this up by saying “this is what Bush has done. And this is what I will do as president”.

me to me @22
1. preview is your friend
2. Spell Check is your next best friend (even for me)
3. You have 5 minutes to edit a comment until you hit F5 or refresh.

“I had a naive vision that the Iraqis were going to embrace us and then go on and live happily ever after,”

-Neo-Republican and Deadeye Dick Cheney fluffer, Joe Lieberman

Well, it is great to know that the man who was a heartbeat away from the presidency was basing his foreign policies on “naive visions”.

What the fuck Joe? Please end it now. Someone stop the rampant moronism that is plunging American in a pit of no return.

-GSD

Listening to a talk from the Kennedy Library about John Kennedy, do you realize he’d be 89 this year? Yikes, that’s amazing.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 27

As to Senator Clinton, I am visualizing something a little bit significant. Say…something like “let’s get out of the civil war that is Iraq”. Let’s bring our soldiers home. Now! And perhaps the Senator could follow this up by saying “this is what Bush has done. And this is what I will do as president”.

we need to phrase this correctly, it’s been a war of words that we have lost and we have to start winning it

we need to begin with;

“our boys and girls were tasked with overthrowing saddam Whu’s insane, they completed their task, they did it better and fastter then anyone could have imagined

now they aer occupying Iraq, they are NOT an occupying force, they are NOT a political tool

they completed their task, it’s time to bring them HOME”

THAT’S the way this has to be fremad

*ilson46201 @ 26

Joe’s quick to send other people’s kids off to Iraq to fight Cheney’s war — the Liebermans just sent their 19yo youngest child off to Israel to study …

isn’t Quinnipiac University good enough ?

katymine @ 28

me to me @22
1. preview is your friend
2. Spell Check is your next best friend (even for me)
3. You have 5 minutes to edit a comment until you hit F5 or refresh.

I don’t have five nunutes, it won’t let me edit

Alito is a third-rate legal mind who owes his fealty to the fundies and Kerry’s actions will be well remembered both in the blogoshere and the history books.

Which was something that was actually pretty obvious back then, I thought. All you had to do was contrast him to Roberts. Whatever I might think of his predispositions, the man had a mind. Alito sounded like Bush without the stutter.

If the Dems blow the 2006 elections it won’t be because they are weak on terrorism as the Republicans say (and Lieberman implies.) It will be because they don’t have the instinct to go for the throat the way the republicans do. The majority of Dems are giving Lieberman a pass while he bashes the party. His campaign hurts the campaigns of the Dem candidates for the U.S. Congress in Connecticut. His campaign also undermines the Democratic message that Bush and the republicans still support a failed policy in Iraq. The priority of the Democratic party as far as Connecticut goes should be to elect Lamont and the Dem House members. For some reason that I for one don’t understand, most national Dems won’t go all the way in support of that goal.

me to me @ 33

I don’t have five nunutes, it won’t let me edit

I type for a living but spell checker & dictionary is heavily depended on….
Is this true *ilson46201, me to me cannot edit?

*ilson:

Could Hillary give Ned more money now? Just wondering what the time-frame is…

Cheers for Jane!
Cheers for Feingold, Richardson, Edwards, Kerry
Cheers for Frank Rich [via truthout]

GSD –

Steve Gilliard had a HoJo as Benedict Arnold graphic — the most notorious traitor in American history also happened to be from Connecticut.

$5K is the max for the general election.

the fancy edit feature is dependent on Javascript which is poorly implemented on Internet Explorer so it may work properly with IE6. You should be using the free, superior Firefox browser anyways …

me to me at 22

I knew I’d never remember all the bells & whistles for editing, so I bookmarked the post that described just how to…

Here ya go. And what katymine said at 28 is very helpful too ;->

http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..en-thread/

me to me @ 5:22 pm (#33) – Do you see a “Refresh Comments” button near the bottom of this page (just above the comment form)? If you don’t, you probably don’t have Javascript enabled, which seems to be required for the edit comment thing to work.

Oh, and what *ilson46201 said about Firefox. You can selectively enable Javascript, and block obnoxious ads.

Jane- sorry this is sorta OT, and you can delete if needed. But, the whole thing about how many votes may have been lost due to the unfortunate graphic episode has been bugging me all day. Anyone who tries to put negative numbers on this also needs to put positive numbers on how very very many voters and votes that you and FDL brought to the Lamont campaign by your tireless reporting on the importance of Ned’s challenge to Lieberman, and the respective positives (what Ned is about) and negatives (what Joe is about). I was hooked from the get go by your words, and as you know, I ended up in CT, working for a few days at least for the Lamont campaign. So, you have my utter admiration. You made a huge difference.

And, now, back on-topic. Thanks, John Kerry. Finally you have done something that I am proud of.

I am going to start a next round of phone calls & emails to Harry Reid, Schumer and other Democratic Senators tomorrow. I am going to blast them for not stripping an obvious Non-Democrat who is running in CT and he needs to be stripped of committee roles and shunned.

The minute he filed as a CT for RGJoe, he is NO LONGER a Democrat.

major kudos to kerry for this….

i’ve been critical of him in the past when he’s done something i don’t like (and i will continue to be). but, that’s only part of the story…. many times (more than most) kerry does the right thing and wrt to lieberman – today he did the right thing – and he did it loudly and at the right time. i want to give him all kinds of thanks for that.

let’s make sure he know how much we appreciate what he’s done!

(and don’t forget his good works wrt net neutrality!)

Over at Ct Bob’s, Kirby is filling in as Bob is on vacation. Kirby provides a nice graph of the trends in Dem vs Reb support for Lamont and JL. You can see there’s lots of room for Lamont to increase his support, but little if anything left for JL — most of whose support is from Republicans who have abandoned Schlesinger.

http://ctbob.blogspot.com/

Unless the big dogs of the Democratic Party get together and force Joe out of this race, he’s going to win. BTW, Jane, really nice picture of you at the top of this article…

OK, why is she holding a severed leg?

me to me –

The edit function doesn’t work with IE6 — it does work with Firefox, and some have said it works with IE7. Don’t know about the other browsers.

scarecrow @ 5:32 pm (#46) – Here’s the permalink to that article on the Lamont/Lieberman trends, just in case historians want to read it a week from now:

http://ctbob.blogspot.com/2006…..ility.html

OldTimer @ 47

Unless the big dogs of the Democratic Party get together and force Joe out of this race, he’s going to win. BTW, Jane, really nice picture of you at the top of this article…

They’re not going to force him out. They could shun him, though, and let it be known he’s not a player in the party anymore.

I’m not totally lovin’ Kerry, but I think it is good to recall the “Winter Soldier Hearings” from back in the day. Kerry was young, with political ambitions too, but if anyone watched “Up the River” during the campaign, it did give a good sense of his character.

One thing I like to note in particular is that when all the soldiers coming back from Vietnam began to turn, he was the spokesman. And he did not lose his cool in front of the Senate Committee (many of whom were hostile to him), nor did he lose it in front of the news cameras. It was a time of a LOT of emotion, and he kept his head, and he told it like it was. Way cool.

I remember how the anti-war movement surged after Winter Soldier. I was in high school. We needed it. It was a catalyzing moment, and from then on, it was downhill for the US in Vietnam.

hiya scarecrow!

Ok… hold the fort down while I go mow the lawn now that it is cooler than 107…

Catch you later…. preview is your friend… only use firefox and yes I have a lawn in AZ, Miss Dog will NOT go potty on gravel. Don’t ask me, it is her thing…

“Finally John Kerry has done something I can be proud of.”

His tour in Vietnam,the medals, the rescued comrades, his career in the Senate and his hard-fought campaign were what, bupkes?

He’s certainly accomplished a hell of a lot more than I–and most others–have.

I could very well be wrong on this, but my impression is that what comes out of Hillary’s mouth is more important than what comes out of her purse for Lamont. Support from both, of course, is most desirable.

Did anyone catch the earlier Reuters report on JL reiterating what a loyal Dem he is? I read it two hours ago, but now, the same Reuters report from my Yahoo news site is missing a couple of paragraphs — the ones with responses from Lamont’s campaign — IIRC, saying they stand by their charaterization of JL’s support of Bush and ridiculing his Johnnnie-come-lately call for Rummy’s resignation.

A litte reseach is in order to see when JL might have supported Rummy in the past when others were calling for his resignation. And remember that JL was rumored to be in line for the same job, so he would have been reluctant to openly embarrass the Pres by calling for resignation. I see an nice issue shaping up here.

Trying this out in IE7, have all the same as firefox

Cujo359 — thanks for the permalink — you’re a better linker/person than I.

The minute he filed as a CT for RGJoe, he is NO LONGER a Democrat.

I think the big push on Joe should come when (and if) his petitions are certified. At that point, he is officially CTfJ, trying to defeat the Democratic nominee.

Maybe party powers are thinking that, too, and thinking this gives Joe a few weeks to cool his jets and quit. Ah, one can dream, eh?

He submitted petitions on Aug 9th to SecState, which then would have to mail them to each County Clerk to certify, within two weeks of reciept by Clerk. So it may be another week or two before we know final results — right about time for Labor Day.

bg @ 5:36 pm (52) – I’m very grateful John Kerry was there back in ‘71. I graduated from high school in 1974, and I have no doubt that if Kerry and others hadn’t stepped up, I or some of my classmates would have been draftees.

The Winter Soldier hearing transcripts are online, BTW. I had to find them to settle an argument with some wingnut over at Taylor’s place:

http://www3.iath.virginia.edu/…..entry.html

There’s also a wintersoldier.com site that claims to be about the Winter Soldiers, but actually appears to be a GOP propoganda site. Be forwarned.

I’m glad Kerry is taking the lead on this considering he was attacked viciously by the same people who Joe nows holds so dear to his darken soul.

chisholm- you are absolutely correct. sorry, I was reflecting my frustration with Kerry’s behavior in (not) challenging the outcome of the OH votes, in light of his promise to “make every vote count”. I found that really painful.

What if any, briefly, are the down sides of Firefox? And a one sentence advantage, perhaps. (over IE6, that is)

Kerry is at his best when he has nothing to lose by being honest, which is why his best and highest use in the party is the role he is playing right now.

The fact is that Joe Lieberman is not only out-of-step with most Democrats, he is out-of-step with a growing number of Republicans, too – with the exception of John McCain, who can’t wait to send even more kids into the killing factory that Iraq has become.

Chuck Hagel was absolutely right this morning when he told Chris Wallace that the issue of Iraq is not a Democrat v. Republican issue, and that the more of a wedge issue the media tries to make it, the less chance there is of actually solving the problem.

If Joe wants to be lashed to Dick Cheney, I say we should let him. Remind the voters at every opportunity that it was Dick Cheney who probably got us into this mess in the first place, he has been wrong on every single strategic and policy decision that has been made about the war, and that there are probably more people willing to stick needles in their eyes than those who support Dick Cheney.

Ned needs to frame this not as Ned v. Joe, but as good policy v. bad policy, and the voters need to choose whether they want to stick with a failed policy that is sending more and more of our kids to die, weakening our overall military strength, depleting our financial resources and human assets in the war on terror, trashing our reputation around the world and making us less effective in global diplomacy…or do they want to go down a new and better road. The “course” we are on is one that is not turning the corner, but circling the drain.

Sorry for the rant – I just have no tolerance anymore for idiocy.

Anyone who does not recall or who wants to see the face of the anti-war movement from the point of view of Winter Soldiers should get a copy of “Up the River.” A historical moment that really had impact. And it does give cred to Kerry. He totally deserves it for this, IMO.

FYI – I tried FDL out in IE 7 beta 2 and was able to use all the same functions except I could not edit. The link was viewable but it did not work.

Cujo359 – I graduated HS in 1969 (yep I am THAT old) and going through my old HS yearbook with my kids…. I started crying…. because that guy was dead…. and so were so many others…

OldTimer: think you are right about the big dog dems needing to boot Joe’s ass out…how do we make this happen? I called my senators and told their people I don’t appreciate having a traitor on all the committees but what else can we do? Am shocked the top guns refuse to slap Joe down. By the way: Jane is not holding a severed leg! This photo means she has agility and is young enough to do that while not being a ballet dancer. Bravo Jane. (so jealous)

Valley Girl –

The graphic didn’t cost Ned Lamont any votes directly — but it did hurt, in that it allowed HoJo to get some traction at time when he was circling the drain.

Same thing with the bogus website hacking — it gave Lying Joe Lieberman the chance to make like a howler monkey, and that may have swayed some undecideds.

Politics is about momentum, and we need to be careful not to give our opponents anything that can turn into momentum against our champions.

Speaking of which — let’s look for issues that might blow up in HoJo’s face:

* TPM Cafe had a post on HoJo underhanded use of his charity. Is there anything to this story?

* The bogus website hacking story — was it really hacked by someone inside the Lieberman campaign, or was it just another example of Joe Lieberman’s incompetence?

* What other issues are out there, that will do to Joe Lieberman what Dorothy did to the Wicked Witch by throwing water on her?

People can bitch about Kerry and god knows I’m one. But I’ll take any excellence and truth from anyone anywhere. Thanks John.

Maybe Kerry’s ready to join Al in the Former Hesitant Pussy Presidential Candidates Now Kicking Ass Club.

spiderpaws @ 68

OldTimer: think you are right about the big dog dems needing to boot Joe’s ass out…how do we make this happen? I called my senators and told their people I don’t appreciate having a traitor on all the committees but what else can we do? Am shocked the top guns refuse to slap Joe down. By the way: Jane is not holding a severed leg! This photo means she has agility and is young enough to do that while not being a ballet dancer. Bravo Jane. (so jealous)

This needs to be a blast, coordinated effort between ALL the blogs and progressive groups. Have it out on Air America to call, fax, and/or email. We need to shut down the Senate phone/email system letting them know how we feel.

What is the use of having a Party when you do not need to follow the rules?

Cozumel at 20 — sorry, hadn’t seen your link. That’s what I saw earlier. Compare your version of that story with this one:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/200…..erman_dc_2

Similar Reuters story, but the paras on Lamont response are gone.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 5:45 pm (#64) – I don’t use Windows, so I can’t speak for how well integrated Firefox is relative to IE on that platform. It’s possible that some things, particularly Active-X controls, won’t work as well. Most Internet sites aren’t stupid enough to use those, but that’s a potential downside.

The other downside is that you will, occasionally, encounter websites that just don’t work particularly well with Firefox. These sites probably use Microsoft or Windows-only tools to build their sites, and don’t care about the other 20 percent of us. But, for those you can still use IE, I suppose.

Valley Girl @ 43,

Feh. That was such a tempest in a teapot. The only ones who even knew that was going on were online people and maybe the most attentive cable news viewers. Hardly a huge voting bloc in Connecticut.

I think the breathless coverage of Lieberman’s baseless “Lamont hacking” charges on the day of the primary were very damaging, and it was unbelievably irresponsible of the so-called journalists to even cover that. Whether a Rove ploy or not, corporate media did their damnedest to submarine Lamont on primary day.

Has The Swiftboating Of John Kerry Version 2.0 started yet? I hope he is better prepared to deal with it this time. I expect to see Cheney saying that Kerry is helping the terrorists, and all the right wing coyotes to howl with approval…

Hey, Selise, zennurse — As a Swedish fighter once said, I got “tunder ‘n lightnin’” by me; houz by you?

Sack, loot, pillage, burn
We can’t let our fortunes turn
Karl, Karl, don’t be slow
We need to elect Trojan Joe!

YaaaaaaaAAAAY TEAM!

;>)

Spiny #9 — Joe Lieberman, for all intents and purposes, IS the Republican candidate.

I had hoped while I was away this weekend that documentation supporting this would get published (particularly in light of the DNC mini-convention this weekend so that all delegates could discuss this issue).

The data is out there. People have it. I can’t say any more without violating an NDA. I hope that my colleagues can get to it SOON.

The other major challenge to which we should be putting the screws is Lieberman’s last minute campaign donations. I read PDF files that have been filed; there are numerous contributions that are highly suspect. There are a number that appear to exceed BCRA’s limit of $2100 per individual for this election cycle; need clarification on how the so-called “millionaire’s amendment” to BCRA affects Lieberman as it may mean some of these large donations are legal. Some are clearly questionable, like one individual’s contribution of $14,700.

There are quite a few members of the same family making donations of $2100 each – but it is not clear whether these persons are parents and adult children in the same household (legal) or parents and minor children (illegal).

Unfortunately, I’m swamped, under the gun to make a deadline for work, can’t research.

Anybody interested in combing through this? I hope so.

oklahoma kiddo – the only downside I have had since switching to firefox is that I can’t play yahoo games on it. If I must play them, I just open up explorer (and then run a spyware sweep).

Oklahoma kiddo @ 64

What if any, briefly, are the down sides of Firefox? And a one sentence advantage, perhaps. (over IE6, that is)

The one disadvantage of Firefox — once I’ve posted, the spacebar as page advance tool is shifted to a page refresh. The page advance function can be restored (sometimes) with an F5 refresh — but the F5 often demands that I activate other tabs before it will allow the current page to fully reload. grrr . . .

The tabbed page and edit function have led me to use Firefox for FDL; other than that, I prefer IE6.

Cujo359 @ 74

The other downside is that you will, occasionally, encounter websites that just don’t work particularly well with Firefox. These sites probably use Microsoft or Windows-only tools to build their sites, and don’t care about the other 20 percent of us. But, for those you can still use IE, I suppose.

FYI – AOL via the web does not have all the functions in firefox. XM radio website does not work in Firefox. Some banking and financial websites do not work either. But I use firefox for 95% of my browser use.

darkblack you have outdone yourself, which is saying something

*still laughing*

scarecrow @ 73

Cozumel at 20 — sorry, hadn’t seen your link. That’s what I saw earlier. Compare your version of that story with this one:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/200…..erman_dc_2

Similar Reuters story, but the paras on Lamont response are gone.

Strange!

Kerry took a big step towards rebuilding his bridges today.

I think the next time one of these chickenhawks starts squawking about Kerry or Murtha or any of the others who actually served their country voluntarily, the response should be: “I’m sorry – your military experience was what, again?” And just keep asking it, until they STFU.

Cujo359 @ 74

Oklahoma kiddo @ 5:45 pm (#64) – I don’t use Windows, so I can’t speak for how well integrated Firefox is relative to IE on that platform. It’s possible that some things, particularly Active-X controls, won’t work as well. Most Internet sites aren’t stupid enough to use those, but that’s a potential downside.

The other downside is that you will, occasionally, encounter websites that just don’t work particularly well with Firefox. These sites probably use Microsoft or Windows-only tools to build their sites, and don’t care about the other 20 percent of us. But, for those you can still use IE, I suppose.

Good info. Thx.

Liebermutant is a Rethuglican and those in the Democratic party who do not come straight out and denounce him are the same. Period.

There is no parsing of positions skillful enough to gloss over this utterly obvious political reality.

I have been convinced for some time now that creatures like Liebermutant are a litmus test of loyalty to democratic principles. Any one wishing to be considered a Democratic from here on out had better denounce HolyHoJo in no uncertain terms.

It literally will define the Democrats from the Rethugs.

Where is Hillary in all this? Where is Bill?

Tossing a bone to Lamont from her campaign funds is simply not good enough. The Clintons need to put their mouth where their money is.

Each day they fail to speak up, their stock drops in my book. This is not even a close moral call.

At least Kerry finally took a whiff of the Java.

This is literally a defining moment in history.

You are either with us or against us, this is NOT nuance

IE7 beta 2 has the tabbed functionality that firebox has. Again, I really like the ability to configure Firefox to delete cookies and clear cache when you close the window which is a BIG security help. When I do my banking on line I use a separate window and then close it down so that the cookies and cache has been cleared without having to do it manually each time.

I am not in CT, but I frankly do not believe that the hacking thing was significant in the race. Honestly, how many people were desperate to use the internet the day of the voting, what for?

How many voters seriously grok to a problem with hacking enough to change their vote? Maybe PO’d HoJo voters. But if I had been on the fence and I heard a site got hacked, I think it would make me vote for the hacked, so I would say worked to HoJo’s advantage.

Firefox is much less susceptible to malicious software attacks such as viruses and other nasties!

http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/

Rayne – I’ve gone through the PDFs that were available through last Friday, and there are some donors who are so far over the limit that it isn’t funny. Will send it, Excel 95 format. (Oh, yes: Joe’s people sent one set of pages twice!)

VG at 43. Just one example of why I respect you so.

-ck- @ 81

Oklahoma kiddo @ 64

What if any, briefly, are the down sides of Firefox? And a one sentence advantage, perhaps. (over IE6, that is)

The one disadvantage of Firefox — once I’ve posted, the spacebar as page advance tool is shifted to a page refresh. The page advance function can be restored (sometimes) with an F5 refresh — but the F5 often demands that I activate other tabs before it will allow the current page to fully reload. grrr . . .

The tabbed page and edit function have led me to use Firefox for FDL; other than that, I prefer IE6.

Thank you…

Sen. Chris Dodd (D-Conn.) needs to host a fundraiser for Lamont, featuring Hillary and Bill Clinton as guests of honor. That would send the right signal to the foot-dragging Senate Democrats who haven’t given their full support to the Democratic nominee in Connecticut.

It’s time for all good Democrats to stand up and oppose the “Lieberman for Lieberman” Connecticut Party of One candidate (who is actually a Republican).

puppethead- thanks- I was only going by comments that I have read since at FDL. I was in CT at the time, and didn’t have reliable online access- so the whole episode was not something that even registered back then. But, I didn’t like the idea of Jane being bashed here. As for the “hack R Us” thing- I would really like to know what the latest is on that- not top of my list- but it did seem to be another Lieberman dirty trick/ misinfo campaign.

Old farmhand guy I conversed with today while seeing the goats – had a very interesting life in military, intelligence, cap hill – considers himself a republican but so despises bushco wants to leave the country.

someone probably already said this, but if JL’s criticism of Rummy is that he didn’t send enough troops, then we might want to urge journalists to ask JL if he believes that the President, once he fires Rummy, should send even more troops to Iraq?

What is his position wrt to adding as many troops as it takes to restore order in Baghdad — e.g., how about the 500,000 troops he had in S. Vietnam, along the with 1 millions ARVN. How many should we have sent to Iraq back when, and how many should we have there now? And for how long? Is the President being a wimp by not sending more now? Is he endangering our mission [accomplished]?

astralplame @ 80

oklahoma kiddo – the only downside I have had since switching to firefox is that I can’t play yahoo games on it. If I must play them, I just open up explorer (and then run a spyware sweep).

Thanks…

*ilson, you also have performed extraordinarily well, for which I am eternally grateful. I name you, “Foucaultian Panopticon”

katymine @ 5:57 pm (#88) – If you have the new Firefox, (1.5.0 or later) you can delete that data without closing the window. Just use Tools/Clear Private Data. Choose the kind of data you want to remove (for me, that’s usually everything but download history). I always set up FF to expire cookies at the end of a session anyway, just to be safe. That plus the NoScript extension make it pretty safe to use, IMHO.

…I agree, Hillary’s check was a bone. Seems they are all afraid of something like maybe Joe knows all their dirty senate secrets.

oh geez imm- you are too kind, but thanks. I have to sign off right now, so all further responses will be in dream limbo. xxoo

Hillary’s check was a start. She–and Bill–need to get more actively involved. John Kerry has set the standard for what all national Democrats should be doing.

Peter Daou, are you lurking out there? Can you hear me?

Sharkbabe @ 6:00 pm (#96) – Get him to start taking over the Republican party. It’s hard to imagine it being in worse hands than the ones it’s in now.

I thought Kerry was a great presidential candidate. Far from perfect, but under normal circumstances he ran a good campaign. And, having seen him at a rally, I found him quite inspiring. Democrats should feel good about him representing the party.

Having said that, there are still too many in the party structure who do not understand what they’re up against. Kerry’s campaign suffered from that. The GOP is interested in holding onto power, at any cost. They don’t care about democracy. They want to control this country.

Oklahoma kiddo at 5:45 pm – I’ve yet to find a downside to using Firefox, other than the very minor quibbles already noted. It’s fast, stable and more secure than IE. It’s also a small d/l and a fairly clean install. Can’t imagine going back.

Btw the goats are cool. I yell Marlon’s name across a big field of grazing goats and he stops and looks up and right at me. (*mom empty nest phone commercial moment*)

P J Evans — oh thank you, thank you, THANK YOU, you were able to look at it!!!!

Yeah. What a crock of crap. Lieberman may come out and say that the donations that are over the limits will be refunded, but they used it as seed corn and chum. Seed corn for the new CFL organization, and chum to draw in the Repug money.

One of the things I have discovered as a newbie grassroots activist is that one MUST have money on hand in quantity to attract other money. Lieberman has it, but in the form of all those late, last-minute donations from people that could have been Democratic supporters, and is now using it to attract Republican money.

Lieberman’s campaign should have rejected any donations on the spot that were not in compliance. The other nasty issue at hand here is playing the float; if Lieberman’s campaign accepted donations over the limit then returned the excess, how much interest could they have made on the money while they had it in hand, especially if we’re talking big money? Depends on how long they hang on to the money, yes?

Grrrr…

*ilson46201 @ 91

Firefox is much less susceptible to malicious software attacks such as viruses and other nasties!

http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/

critical info. thanks…

Seems they are all afraid of something like maybe Joe knows all their dirty senate secrets.

Well, since he’s Karl Rove’s lover, why would he not have all necessary dirt?

scarecrow – don’t know the swedish fighter you’re referring to… but here we have “tunder ‘n lightnin’” … and rain

{{{{{{{sharkbabe and beloved goats}}}}}}}

Humbly requesting recommends at my second kos entry, ha, thot it was my first but apparently the whole create false evidence for bombing Iran was the first.

If you feel so inclined to help a newbie with a recommend:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..183640/478

Thx in advance for your egregious love :)

Hearty congratulations to firedoglake for:

17,000,000 site visits!!!

And yes I have no life :)

Yay geeks R us. Goedel Escher Bach? I believe that qualifies me.

JWR @ 107

Oklahoma kiddo at 5:45 pm – I’ve yet to find a downside to using Firefox, other than a the very minor quibbles already noted. It’s fast, stable and more secure than IE. It’s also a small d/l and a fairly clean install. Can’t imagine going back.

thanks!

I’m there, ‘greej!

Cheney as CEO of Halliburton, off shore tax havens went from 9 to 44 and its taxes shrank from $302 million to an $85 million refund.

Cheney has a history of screwing America. Joe has such a man-crush on him.

Apologies upfront; I’m suffering from sleep deprivation and caffiene deficiency, stressed out…

But damnitall, sometimes working with Democrats and other progressives is like herding cats. I swear to the cosmos…

scarecrow 99

Even if HolyHoJo waffles to say the US needs to send 500,000 troops into Iraq to “stabilize” it, where in the world do you get a couple hundred thousand extra US troops without a draft?

To even the most feeble minded, word on the street is that enlisting in the military now is a guaranteed trip to Club Iraq. The military is having a hell of a time with current recruitment goals (start by lowering standards dramatically).

How they gonna up the troops in Iraq?

egregious

I recommended your diary. It looks like I could use some company.

Sharkbabe @ 108

Btw the goats are cool. I yell Marlon’s name across a big field of grazing goats and he stops and looks up and right at me. (*mom empty nest phone commercial moment*)

{{{{Marlon}}}}

Oh that’s so sweet/sad! He knows your voice and misses you. There are so many things we do not know/appreciate about higher mammals. Thanks sharkbabe for being one of us who try to honor their intelligence and their life force.

I hope you will have many opportunities to visit him in the future. He misses YOU. Would you consider moving somewhere where he could live with you or near you? Think about it…

rayne @ 117

cats don’t like to be herded. they dig in and get more obstinate. otoh, cats can be called – if they’ve learned they are going to get something nice… ;-)

*ilson46201 @ 91

Firefox is much less susceptible to malicious software attacks such as viruses and other nasties!

http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/

My subscription to Norton 2002 was running out and there wasn’t a renewel for it so I had to download Norton 2006 a couple of days ago. This thing rocks! It blocks spyware, Internet worms, viruses, etc. in addition to the usual scans that Norton 2002 did.

hit recommend for you, egregious!

Boo hoo.

All this talk about Firefox makes me miss me own computer so, my bookmarks all neat and orderly and my Stumble Upon, a great way to play with the toobz. Maybe tomorrow it will be ready….

Scarecrow, I was out in the rain this morning going from Gloucester to Revere Beach then up to Newburyport, back to Danvers and then home again to Gloucester. 100 miles, but lovely sunshine after Newburyport. I can hear thunder down your way, don’t know if it’s headed mine. Don’t care, I’m finally dry.

I rang the bell for egregious.

egregious, I got a little light over at kos on your diary — you know I hate to stick around that place {cough-armando-cough}.

Valley Girl — In support of what you said about the effect of JH/Christy/FDL in helping build support for Lamont, I’ll say this again: What we often call “the unfortunate graphic” was misrepresented by a dishonest JL team that has conducted a thinly veiled racist campaign. The graphic was a brilliant double metaphor about two white politicians pretending that one of them was what he wasn’t — a loyal Dem, when in fact he had supported the most rightwing Republican administration in our lifetimes on the most important issues of our time — and he continues to deny this to this day, and continues to lie by charging those who point out his dishonesty are “distorting his record.” The second white man was pretending this was okay, not because it was okay but because to admit it was wrong would have indirectly undermined his own wife’s position on the same war.

Jane is free to apologize for offending anyone who might have been offended by viewing the graphic literally and not as methaphor — good for her for doing that — but we should stop apologizing for the intended message of that metaphor, and keep pointing out, as you and others here have, the dishonesty of the two men portrayed in that graphic.

Darkblack 78

Picture # 2. Ewwww…

Did you have to take the shirt off?

I won’t eat for a day or two.

Hee hee.

Hey Jane

DID YOU SEE CHUCK HAGEL TODAY ON FOX!!!

The beauty of what we did in CT is Cheney and Rove can’t call Lieberman tonight and ask him to give Hagel a little slap tommorrow in the Wapo or anywhere Else.

Joe Lieberman has been successfully nuetered and is no longer a lion or even a housecat of the Senate.He’s a bad jokeand thats all.

Gentleman Jim @ 119

scarecrow 99

Even if HolyHoJo waffles to say the US needs to send 500,000 troops into Iraq to “stabilize” it, where in the world do you get a couple hundred thousand extra US troops without a draft?

To even the most feeble minded, word on the street is that enlisting in the military now is a guaranteed trip to Club Iraq. The military is having a hell of a time with current recruitment goals (start by lowering standards dramatically).

How they gonna up the troops in Iraq?

the Liebermans just sent their youngest child (19yo) off to Israel to study … perhaps Joe should start the military buildup at home? http://goarmy.com

sometimes working with Democrats and other progressives is like herding cats.

Two words — canned tuna.

selise — This particular cat understands very, very well.

But lately even a 40-ft van load of catnip and a barge of tuna hasn’t been sufficient to keep the cats focused.

There is some SERIOUS garbage going on right now, we are playing against vicious, well-trained attack dogs that are already on point and merely waiting to be released from their leashes.

And no, I’m no concern troll. The regulars here know that.

God deliver us from this decrepit old whore Cheney.

scarecrow @ 128

Valley Girl — In support of what you said about the effect of JH/Christy/FDL in helping build support for Lamont, I’ll say this again: What we often call “the unfortunate graphic” was misrepresented by a dishonest JL team that has conducted a thinly veiled racist campaign. The graphic was a brilliant double metaphor about two white politicians pretending that one of them was what he wasn’t — a loyal Dem, when in fact he had supported the most rightwing Republican administration in our lifetimes on the most important issues of our time — and he continues to deny this to this day, and continues to lie by charging those who point out his dishonesty are “distorting his record.” The second white man was pretending this was okay, not because it was okay but because to admit it was wrong would have indirectly undermined his own wife’s position on the same war.

Jane is free to apologize for offending anyone who might have been offended by viewing the graphic literally and not as methaphor — good for her for doing that — but we should stop apologizing for the intended message of that metaphor, and keep pointing out, as you and others here have, the dishonesty of the two men portrayed in that graphic.

Sharkbabe–re: former presidential pussies taking more chances because they have nothing to lose–I think you’re totally right. I think Kerry’s doing things his way now, and my hunch will be borne out if and when he chooses his next campaign managers–if he picks from the Beltway Porcellians again he’s learned nothing, and I’ll wash my hands of him completely. Unlike many others here, I forgave him for his loss. He ran against Bush before the majority of the nation realized what an incompetent fool Bush is–Katrina hadn’t happened yet, for starters–and their terror terror terror rhetoric was tough to beat. Still is. But I forgave him the missteps not only because I think he’s whip-smart, but because I’m aware that all of my favorites will make mistakes in campaigns. No matter who the next Democratic nominee is they’ll make mistakes too. Get ready and get used to it.

But this thread is making me wonder about what the netroots wants most now: Would the netroots support Bill Clinton if he were running now? Would netroots want another Democratic president like him? And how would a Kerry presidency compare to Clinton’s? Better? Worse? The same?

Because I think Kerry would be as good a president as B. Clinton, if not better.

Cats. Can’t live with ‘em. And sure as hell I can’t without them.

Gentleman Jim @ 118

scarecrow 99

Even if HolyHoJo waffles to say the US needs to send 500,000 troops into Iraq to “stabilize” it, where in the world do you get a couple hundred thousand extra US troops without a draft?

To even the most feeble minded, word on the street is that enlisting in the military now is a guaranteed trip to Club Iraq. The military is having a hell of a time with current recruitment goals (start by lowering standards dramatically).

How they gonna up the troops in Iraq?

Answer that question is not my problem. It’s Lieberman’s, and Bush’s and Cheney’s problem. That’s why I want the press to ask JL, since he’s saying he faults Rummy for not sending enough troops. Or does JL agree with the current Bush lie that we have enough troops there to “accomplish the mission?”

I just went and looked at the DSCC Web site (www.dscc.org). They have Ned Lamont posted as the Democrat in the Connecticut Senate race, and Alan Schlesinger as the Republican, but down below Lamont they have:

Senator Joseph Lieberman
Democrat*
*Running as an Independent

Low Road Joe has no right to be associated with the word “Democrat” in any way on that Web site. It should say

Senator Joseph Lieberman
Connecticut for Lieberman

[although if life was fair, it would say “Joseph Lieberman, Republican, running as Connecticut for Lieberman).

It looks like they listed him just the way he asked them to. It is wrong. Chuck Schumer needs to hear from us about this. Maybe calls to the offices of Kerry and other supporters, asking them to talk to Chuck, would help?

Joe is doomed.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 64
Tabbed browsing is a big plus.
http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/

ctkeith @ 130

Hey Jane

DID YOU SEE CHUCK HAGEL TODAY ON FOX!!!

The beauty of what we did in CT is Cheney and Rove can’t call Lieberman tonight and ask him to give Hagel a little slap tommorrow in the Wapo or anywhere Else.

Joe Lieberman has been successfully nuetered and is no longer a lion or even a housecat of the Senate.He’s a bad jokeand thats all.

Great catch ctkeith.

selise @ 111

scarecrow – don’t know the swedish fighter you’re referring to… but here we have “tunder ‘n lightnin’” … and rain

You’re such a kid, selise. Ingamar Johansen (sp?) fought Floyd Patterson about a zillion years ago. He called his fists “thunder and lightning.”

Whirlwind tour set for GOP site team
By Wire services
Published August 18, 2006

TAMPA – Beach resorts, dinner cruises, historic restaurants and convention hall tours are all on the agenda next week for a team that will choose the host city for the 2008 Republican National Convention.

As the itinerary was being finalized, the Tampa City Council and Hillsborough County Commission wrestled with playing host without violating state open meeting laws.

Members of the site selection committee are scheduled to arrive Sunday at Tampa International Airport for a whirlwind 48-hour look at what the Tampa Bay area has to offer.

read the rest here:
http://www.sptimes.com/2006/08…..t_fo.shtml

I agree neurophius @ 139

I just paid another month on eFax, I am ready to go…. we need to let them know how we feel in mass. RGJoe has been running around loose way too long after the primary.

Wee little Joey.

ctkeith @ 130

Hey Jane

DID YOU SEE CHUCK HAGEL TODAY ON FOX!!!

The beauty of what we did in CT is Cheney and Rove can’t call Lieberman tonight and ask him to give Hagel a little slap tommorrow in the Wapo or anywhere Else.

Joe Lieberman has been successfully nuetered and is no longer a lion or even a housecat of the Senate.He’s a bad jokeand thats all.

Hagel hit a grand slam and spanked Chris Wallace too. “I don’t have to please the RNC, you, or anybody else” or something like that lol

So what did Hagel say to “neuter” and otherwise make Joe a “bad joke and that’s all”?

Be nice if Cheney had a pretend heart attack and flew over to meet Kennie Boy wherever that is. I just know he’s alive. The first talking point was “I guess folks have nobody to sue anymore”.

I dropped a “t” in hear attack.

Dana @ 148

So what did Hagel say to “neuter” and otherwise make Joe a “bad joke and that’s all”?

http://www.crooksandliars.com/…..s-to-iraq/

My problem with Tuff Talk Hagel is just that. He comes out and blasts with both barrels then votes right along party lines and keeps enabling BushCo to continue their crimes against the American People.

OT

Check out Crooks and Liars for the Colbert/Neil Young clip

“Stephen Colbert had Neil Young on his show the other night and it turned into a very interesting discussion….

Young does a great job at showing that the stereotype of liberals “being against all war” is wrong. He admits that Afghanistan was a war of necessity and the main problem with Iraq is that it allowed us to take our eyes off of enemy number one – Osama.”

Hmm, when Neil admits he thinks that Afghanistan was a war of necessity, I wonder if he also has an opinion on why the Heroin production out of Afghanistan is back up to Historic High Levels, right under the noses of US troops. As bad as the Taliban was, they stopped heroin pouring out of Afghanistan to flood world markets.

Hey, the needle and the damage done?

The US “liberates” Afghanistan and the first fruit it bares is a return to heroin captial of the world. What a bitch, huh Neil?

OT sorta — I have some serious security stuff on my computer which prevents me in IE from using the edit function here. It has to do, someow with the open paypal buton, but I can’t get around it….

Anyway, I can edit in Firefox, no problem. Very nice.

Which is not in any way a suggestion that I actually will edit.

John Kerry was a disappointing candidate, but would probably have made a good president.

All this ink over which big name Dems are supporting Ned will not matter in the end. This race will be decided in CT by CT voters. I don’t believe they are easily influenced by any outside sources.

If Ned can get every voter who went for Kerry in 2004 to vote for him in November, he’s in.

I’m not sure he can do it, because a lot of them are nostalgic for Joe. I was glad to see Frank Rich’s column today reference a Lieberman-Cheney position.

That’s the key to success for Ned. That link.

thanks egregious – Marlon’s only 15 mins away so it’s cool

chisholm 135 – yes, but. this rove shit’s been going on forever. bush has been an appallingly ridiculous piece of shit forever. kerry’s 04 campaign was simply unforgivable.

how does one “recommend” kos diaries? sheez I haven’t grasped that site since the very old days…

chisholm @ 135

Sharkbabe–re: former presidential pussies taking more chances because they have nothing to lose–I think you’re totally right. I think Kerry’s doing things his way now, and my hunch will be borne out if and when he chooses his next campaign managers–if he picks from the Beltway Porcellians again he’s learned nothing, and I’ll wash my hands of him completely. Unlike many others here, I forgave him for his loss. He ran against Bush before the majority of the nation realized what an incompetent fool Bush is–Katrina hadn’t happened yet, for starters–and their terror terror terror rhetoric was tough to beat. Still is. But I forgave him the missteps not only because I think he’s whip-smart, but because I’m aware that all of my favorites will make mistakes in campaigns. No matter who the next Democratic nominee is they’ll make mistakes too. Get ready and get used to it.

But this thread is making me wonder about what the netroots wants most now: Would the netroots support Bill Clinton if he were running now? Would netroots want another Democratic president like him? And how would a Kerry presidency compare to Clinton’s? Better? Worse? The same?

Because I think Kerry would be as good a president as B. Clinton, if not better.

b. clinton was the best republican president of my lifetime. he is certainly NOT what i am looking for in a president. but i have to keep perspective here… i’d kiss his feet (yuck!) to have him president instead of the maniacs we have now.

Rayne @ 132

selise — This particular cat understands very, very well.

But lately even a 40-ft van load of catnip and a barge of tuna hasn’t been sufficient to keep the cats focused.

There is some SERIOUS garbage going on right now, we are playing against vicious, well-trained attack dogs that are already on point and merely waiting to be released from their leashes.

And no, I’m no concern troll. The regulars here know that.

i hear ya.

Margot @ 141

Oklahoma kiddo @ 64
Tabbed browsing is a big plus.
http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/

Thanks…Margot.

chisholm @ 136

Sharkbabe–re: former presidential pussies taking more chances because they have nothing to lose–I think you’re totally right. I think Kerry’s doing things his way now, and my hunch will be borne out if and when he chooses his next campaign managers–if he picks from the Beltway Porcellians again he’s learned nothing, and I’ll wash my hands of him completely. Unlike many others here, I forgave him for his loss. He ran against Bush before the majority of the nation realized what an incompetent fool Bush is–Katrina hadn’t happened yet, for starters–and their terror terror terror rhetoric was tough to beat. Still is. But I forgave him the missteps not only because I think he’s whip-smart, but because I’m aware that all of my favorites will make mistakes in campaigns. No matter who the next Democratic nominee is they’ll make mistakes too. Get ready and get used to it.

But this thread is making me wonder about what the netroots wants most now: Would the netroots support Bill Clinton if he were running now? Would netroots want another Democratic president like him? And how would a Kerry presidency compare to Clinton’s? Better? Worse? The same?

Because I think Kerry would be as good a president as B. Clinton, if not better.

I think that Kerry would have made an excellent President, maybe even better than Bill. Kerry had a hell of a lot of substance, was a really smart guy, and is willing to build consensus for good ideas.

The problem was and is that his marketability is for shit. And we all know how important that is in the age of the Mighty Wurlitzer.

lina 154

Do you think Cheney can be enticed to kiss HoJo too?

On camera?

Hey Dick, remember, no tongues.

OK, I ditched a comment while editing…. Be careful out there!

….”Now, Joe literally does not know shit from shinola (literally, I say) and cannot afford to make any anti-Hagel (or anti-any dissenter) statements.

In that way, we have already prevailed…..”

Among your many gifts is saying things with such clarity and brevity.

during the 2004 campaign the GOP was hollering about Kerry being the most liberal senator — I figured they might be fudging the figures but I liked the idea. Of course, Kerry is almost exactly in the middle of the pack of Democratic Senators ideologically…

lina 152:

I was glad to see Frank Rich’s column today reference a Lieberman-Cheney position.

That’s the key to success for Ned. That link.

I think the link could make the difference, but only if the Dems (and Lamont) begin to make the argument that Bush’s Iraq adventure, his unquestioning support for the same policy when applied to Israel vs Hezbolah, and the resulting loss of American’s ability to play the honest broker have all hurt Israel.

Lieberman’s unquestioning cheerleading of Bush has provided cover for a policy that has hurt Israeli security, emboldened Israel’s foes, weakened the leadership in neighboring countries that had signed treaties with Israel, and strenghtened the influence of those neighbors who have not reached settlements with Israel. Oh, and killed a thousand Lebanese, while incurring dozens of Israeli casualties, while destorying much of the infrastructure and housing of a country that the US was presumably supporting and counting on to be an example of a succssful democracy in the ME. That’s an insane policy. Not just one that didn’t turn out well. An insane policy. And these consequences were predictable (and predicted).

Overall the Bush ME policies, with Lieberman supporting every step, have been a disaster for Israel. Every Dem should be making this argument, because Lamont cannot say this alone. As far as I can see, only Hagel has made this argument. How about a little “bipartisanship?”

Sharkbabe @ 156

how does one “recommend” kos diaries? sheez I haven’t grasped that site since the very old days…

You need to be logged in under your user ID, then you can comment & recommend.

GJ at 160:

He doesn’t have to kiss him .

All Ned needs is Cheney’s Al Qaeda’s remark juxtaposed to Joe’s AQ remark (post London bomb plot) on every communication medium available. The Cheney-Lieberman foreign policy: star of stage, screen and sound.

scarecrow at 164:

I agree. But it’s hard to get all that on a bumber sticker or into a sound bite. Remember, half the country still believes there were Iraqis on the hijacked planes on 9/11/01.

Thanks, katymine. Hagel is the one R-candidate that would be a challenge because he sounds like Hector Protector Specter, but votes along with Bushco when push comes to shove. I don’t see words=voting behavior.

Kerry would do better if he weren’t so funny-looking, sad but true. He is a very sincere person and although he is handicapped by his patrican persona, he is a dedicated father and senator. I doubt you can find a handful of candidates who have the same constellation of qualities as he, Russ and who else? bring to the table. Not Hilary. John Edwards? likely. Wes Clark? There are some progressives who won’t like the military background; I think his POV on Iraq is pretty realistic and I do feel he’s an honest man. But who else is there that has that quality of sincerity and the willingness to really reach out to ALL Americans?

BTW, I heard a rebroadcast of an interview with Colin Powell on the Tavis Smiley show last night and it was just sickening. I remember at the beginning of my awareness of him thinking that he had a head and a heart which might balance the terrifying aspects of the Bush/Cheney cabal I saw years ago. Such a disappointment. However, I wish he were Sec of State instead of Kindasleazy during this fiasco with Israel and Lebanon. I’m pretty sure he knows the definition of the word diplomacy.

I guess Lieberman has a legal right to impose himself on the ballot if he collects enough signatures. However, he has no right to call himself a Democrat. The voters picked the Democratic nominee, and it wasn’t Joe.

Given whose policies he supports, and where he gets his propaganda talking points, he could name his party the Cheneyicans. But he’s no Democrat. He’s a rogue candidate on a mission to destroy his former party. Fuck him.

mark B — you got that right.

scarecrow @ 164

lina 152:

I was glad to see Frank Rich’s column today reference a Lieberman-Cheney position.

That’s the key to success for Ned. That link.

I think the link could make the difference, but only if the Dems (and Lamont) begin to make the argument that Bush’s Iraq adventure, his unquestioning support for the same policy when applied to Israel vs Hezbolah, and the resulting loss of American’s ability to play the honest broker have all hurt Israel.

Lieberman’s unquestioning cheerleading of Bush has provided cover for a policy that has hurt Israeli security, emboldened Israel’s foes, weakened the leadership in neighboring countries that had signed treaties with Israel, and strenghtened the influence of those neighbors who have not reached settlements with Israel. Oh, and killed a thousand Lebanese, while incurring dozens of Israeli casualties, while destorying much of the infrastructure and housing of a country that the US was presumably supporting and counting on to be an example of a succssful democracy in the ME. That’s an insane policy. Not just one that didn’t turn out well. An insane policy. And these consequences were predictable (and predicted).

Overall the Bush ME policies, with Lieberman supporting every step, have been a disaster for Israel. Every Dem should be making this argument, because Lamont cannot say this alone. As far as I can see, only Hagel has made this argument. How about a little “bipartisanship?”

Scarecrow, you just floor me with your concise, perfectly thought-out comments. This is excellent, thanks.

I prefer to think of Lieberman as a “Cheney-ac.”

scarecrow @164.

Truth

*ilson46201 @ 160

during the 2004 campaign the GOP was hollering about Kerry being the most liberal senator — I figured they might be fudging the figures but I liked the idea. Of course, Kerry is almost exactly in the middle of the pack of Democratic Senators ideologically…

I think a claim that someone is the “most liberal” or “most conservative” politician in a group that has more than a dozen people in it is just patently absurd to begin with. IMHO, anyone who makes such a claim should be immediately disqualified from both discussing politics and reproducing.

There are so many different criteria you could apply to such rankings that it’s like trying to decide who is the best hitter in Major League baseball.

I prefer to think of Lieberman as a “Cheney-ac.”

I’m having a mental image of him on a talking head show, but all he says is ‘Ack Ack … AAAK ack ack’, just like the Martians in that campy movie ‘Mars Attacks’. He might as well be saying that, for all the sense he makes.

I would add to the list of qualities from my prev post that Kerry does, in fact, have a mind and can express himself. I know that he has a rep for being long winded but I think it has more to do with intelligence and analysis of the issues than it does with loving the sound of his own voice like, oh say, Joe Biden. And he could certainly use better descriptors for Saddam Hussein than “bad man”.

“Yeehaw is not a foreign policy”

scarecrow, I heard Ned make the “Bush hurt Israel,” point in an interview with Tweety IIRC, on Primary day.
You were busy working in CT, so I know you didn’t see it.
Ned didn’t make use of it as effectively as you did, just a soundbyte, but it’s more than I have heard from anyone else.
The other low hanging fruit is that everytime the neocons scream about Iran, I want the Dems to scream back, “what did you expect?” We backed Saddam, because he was the counterweight to Iran, no Saddam, no counterweight.
No one, either in Congress or the TM, is mentioning the critical importance of your, “the resulting loss of America’s ability to play the honest broker.”

This guy is a career Middle East diplomat who did a stint in Iraq:

It is supremely ironic that so many observers for whom I have considerable respect feel that the Lebanon debacle probably has made a U.S. attack against Iran in the context of the continuing nuclear impasse more likely. And I do not disagree with this perspective.

If senior Administration policymakers were to sift through the
after-action reporting from the Lebanese fighting in a balanced fashion (unlikely), they should logically conclude that aggressive military intervention, as with Iraq, has far more often generated disappointment, outright failure, and ongoing crises than solutions.

That said, there appears to be no indication that the lessons of Iraq (and now Lebanon) have sunk in. Indeed, there would appear to be increased fears concerning Iran that will likely sustain a policy that places military action ahead of diplomacy, resulting in an almost horizontal political learning curve.

Wayne White
Middle East Institute
Washington, DC

Mark B. in Austin TX @ 176

I prefer to think of Lieberman as a “Cheney-ac.”

I’m having a mental image of him on a talking head show, but all he says is ‘Ack Ack … AAAK ack ack’, just like the Martians in that campy movie ‘Mars Attacks’. He might as well be saying that, for all the sense he makes.

Just like Stewart on the Daily Show. I never see Cheney without making that half quack noise.)

scarecrow @ 164

amen.

lina at 165 — you’re right about the bumper sticker, though a good 15-30-second spot with pictures can say a lot. And a couple of prominent interviews on the Sunday shows can make these points for free. Good for Kerry for laying the foundation. Our guy’s doing the right thing.

Maybe it’s also time to hit the Lamont paypal buttons again.

scarecrow, I know Ned ditched your electricity issue for the primary.
Has there been any reevaluation of its value in the General? IIRC, I just read somewhere recently that Joe was telling people how he had fought for lower electricity rates.

Eureka Springs, AR @ 177

Mark B. in Austin TX @ 176

I prefer to think of Lieberman as a “Cheney-ac.”

I’m having a mental image of him on a talking head show, but all he says is ‘Ack Ack … AAAK ack ack’, just like the Martians in that campy movie ‘Mars Attacks’. He might as well be saying that, for all the sense he makes.

Just like Stewart on the Daily Show. I never see cheney without making that half quack noise.)

There’s an old Hanna-Barbera cartoon character Cheney reminds me of – I think it’s one of the criminal ones from Sooper Snooper. He had that same half-growl, half-quack kind of voice. I think it was supposed to be an imitation of Edward G. Robinson.

thanks katy 165

it amazes me we discuss verbal nuances in how to defeat rove and what he’s done to our nation and world

i’m a smart person but i’ve got nothin anymore, nothin but pitchforks and torches that must be made physical. persuasion is dead and we’re in a serious time. serious people are going to destroy this monster or not.

Senator Boxer? We’re waiting semi-patiently out here.
Credibility clock is ticking, ticking, ticking.

Yeowch! That’s gotta hurt! Molly Ivins takes whiny, sanctimonious Joe to the woodshed, and outsnarks Jane in the process.

Sharkbabe at 7:08, Martin Luther King, Jr. was in a much worse position than we are and he chose non-violence. It wasn’t just moral fibre, it was tactical genius.

if you feel motivated to up the ante in Lamont’s campaign kitty, use the Blue America tag in the banner at the top of this page or here.

Sharkbabe – Destroy this monster in a way that all his underlings never dare to try this again! This generational neo-freak show has got to stop!

Dana – our local Air America station has one of those promo funny things called “Republicans do Good” and it is all about Hagel. Hagel blasts BushCo but votes for the authorization/money.

Cujo359 – I need to be slapped because I feed one of the trolls over at Taylor Marsh…. She needs more than you and I over there because the trolls are out in force over there… I keep telling myself…. just don’t do it but…. it was too much to resist..

Valley Girl – If you see this you have a couple of EPU’d comments on the book thread.

jussumbody @ 7:10 pm (#184) – I think Ivins is right, but particularly about the Enron thing. The big money is behind Lieberman, and it won’t be bashful about throwing itself behind him.

Dana 177: That analysis makes sense, which means it’s very unlikely the neocons will agree with it. Even now their stunning criticism of Bush is not that the policy was wrong and the results predictable — rather they (except for Fukuyama) argue that Bush was just inept; a smarter Prez would have succeeded. Isn’t the definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over and expecting the results to be different? We can only hope the Dems learned something, but their fawning during the Lebanon invasion makes me wonder.

How does one leave a comment at Taylors place?

John Casper 181 — well, for once, JL is telling part of the truth. To the extent the politicians on all sides, include JL, tried to affect that electricity issue, they were all fighting for “lower rates.” Problem is, none of them was doing anything to lower costs. Eventually, costs = rates. If not, then you get bankrupt utilities and suppliers, as in California, 2001. Just ask PG&E and SCE., as well as half dozen merchant power plant developers, all of whom only recently emerged from bankruptcy.

Sharkbabe @
71

Maybe Kerry’s ready to join Al in the Former Hesitant Pussy Presidential Candidates Now Kicking Ass Club.

Awesome.

But I don’t trust either of them if they become candidates again.

jussumbody at 7:10 pm,
Thanks for linking to a really fine article from Molly, who I had never heard of.
Why did you just have to take a gratuitous swipe at Jane? Does Molly crank out three or four posts a day seven days a week? Does Molly routinely comment in the threads on her blog? I liked Molly’s article, but if it weren’t for Jane, Ned wouldn’t still be in this race.
jussumbody, the target in CT is Joe Lieberman. Jane is not a target, she’s part of the fucking solution.
Why don’t you take advantage of the edit function and remove the gratuitous comment? If you have waited too long, just apologize to Jane.

citizen k @ 197

Sharkbabe @
71

Maybe Kerry’s ready to join Al in the Former Hesitant Pussy Presidential Candidates Now Kicking Ass Club.

Awesome.

But I don’t trust either of them if they become candidates again.

Have Dukakis and/or Mondale weighed in on the Lieberman kerfuffle ?

Eureka Springs, AR @ 196

How does one leave a comment at Taylors place?

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katymine @ 7:13 pm (#188) – You and I both, I suppose. Of course, at Taylor’s place they don’t disappear. Here, it’s a bit easier to ignore them, because you know they’ll be going away soon.

If there’s any good that comes of it, though, it’s that we learn what they’re thinking (once again, I use the term “thinking” somewhat loosely), and we can respond to it. If they actually make a claim, as one of those jerks did yesterday, someone can check it out and rebut it. Usually, they just resort to name-calling and ad hominem, but once in a great while they actually make a point.

Thanks scarecrow.
At least I’m glad the Ned campaign is on top of it.

John Casper – Like Jane, Molly is one of the greats!

katymine – Thank you so much. (doh)

scarecrow 194. Yep, that’s the point. Hagel doesn’t say it was a bad idea (to put it lightly) to invade Iraq; he says we didn’t send enough troops. So right out of the gate in the interview, he’s wrong.

Molly Ivins crafts just one column a week — all progressive writers owe her a debt for her long-standing work comforting the afflicted and afflicting the comfortable. She’s a treasure to be savored !

T. Duckworth (D-IL), Illinois 6th. Congressional District, is “the One”!

katymine @ 7:20pm (#197)

Eureka Springs, AR @ 196

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Thanks Eureka and *ilson. I edited my comment.

John Casper:

Molly Ivins has written several books about George Bush from her own unique Texas perspective and as you know now, she’s also a columnist. She’s quite witty and cuts to the quick. Here’s a review snip:

She tried to warn us: With the publication of Shrub in early 2000, syndicated columnist Molly Ivins detailed George W. Bush’s privileged rise and disastrous reign as governor of Texas in the mid- to late ‘90s. In Bushwhacked, she looks at his first term as president. The picture she paints is unremittingly bleak

Cujo – I bet that (java) got me too. Thanks.

jussumbody — Molly Ivins is a national treasure, and if she wants to do a snark attack on JL, thas jus fine. If it’s better than Jane, well, then we’ll just have to settle for reading the 2nd best snarker (snarkette) on that topic. We’ll get over it.

Cujo359 @ 208

You also need to have Javascript enabled, at least in the taylormarsh.com domain.

Cujo359 – I forget this because I am a programmer working for a software developer, too many times I “assume” that everyone has that set. My company uses firefox exclusively because of its built in security.

Also, I think she was the first to say Bush was born on third base but thinks he hit a triple. If I recall correctly!

*ilson46201 @ 205

Molly Ivins crafts just one column a week — all progressive writers owe her a debt for her long-standing work comforting the afflicted and afflicting the comfortable. She’s a treasure to be savored !

Absolutely!!! This individual is platinum. She stands with the diamond, Helen Thomas.

Droopy Dog’s got a former aide/Enron lobbyist blackmailing dems, and he’s married to a big pharma lobbyist, and yet that is not even a scandal in the US. That’s the worst part of the current situation – what passes for normal.

Cujo359 @ 184

Eureka Springs, AR @ 177

Mark B. in Austin TX @ 176

I prefer to think of Lieberman as a “Cheney-ac.”

I’m having a mental image of him on a talking head show, but all he says is ‘Ack Ack … AAAK ack ack’, just like the Martians in that campy movie ‘Mars Attacks’. He might as well be saying that, for all the sense he makes.

Just like Stewart on the Daily Show. I never see cheney without making that half quack noise.)

There’s an old Hanna-Barbera cartoon character Cheney reminds me of – I think it’s one of the criminal ones from Sooper Snooper. He had that same half-growl, half-quack kind of voice. I think it was supposed to be an imitation of Edward G. Robinson.

I think Stewart’s take on Cheney is that he’s the Penguin from the old ‘Batman’ TV show. It’s an insult to Burgess Meredith, I tell you. He was way more appealling than Cheney. On they other hand, Cheney does exude an air of evil appropriate for a super-villian.

me to me @ 22

could someone PUHLEEZE tell me step by step how to edit, I CAN’T DO IT

step one:

you can’t win, so don’t try

a message from the thuroughly discouraged and lazy contingient

Dana @ 204

scarecrow 194. Yep, that’s the point. Hagel doesn’t say it was a bad idea (to put it lightly) to invade Iraq; he says we didn’t send enough troops. So right out of the gate in the interview, he’s wrong.

Maybe yes, maybe no. So you want to trash Hagel? Or, may I add, anyone that was for the war before they were against it? Which by the way, includes a lot of FDL’ers. Myself not included but so what.

*ilson46201:

Dukakis’ run made the 2000 Gore campaign seem it was piloted by Ghengis Kahn and Geore M. Cohan instead of Susan “Fox Democrat” Estrich and the JFK School of Wimpology All Stars.

I’ll never forgive Dukakis for letting Willy Horton Bush out of jail and into the white house. If only we coulda had Jesse Jackson run instead the Massachussetts Mirage.

I think that quote was originally Governor Ann Richards about George H.W. Bush — Gov. Richards was a drinking buddy of Molly’s …

John Casper 188 – appreciate it – but King and we all lived in a civilized world and still-America with a semi-non-bought media.

It’s been destroyed, on purpose. We’re in pre-Mad Max land, by Cheney’s design. What would King do, what would Gandhi do, what do I do faced with this entire different level of evil.

The third reich did win, it just took a little longer than expected. Now here they are on steroids in our nation.

My death fighting them will be a good death.

A year ago people were calling Joe a “Vichy Democrat.” That’s a label whose time has really come.

John Casper @ 198

jussumbody at 7:10 pm,
Thanks for linking to a really fine article from Molly, who I had never heard of.
Why did you just have to take a gratuitous swipe at Jane? Does Molly crank out three or four posts a day seven days a week? Does Molly routinely comment in the threads on her blog? I liked Molly’s article, but if it weren’t for Jane, Ned wouldn’t still be in this race. Please excuse me if I don’t get all misty over Molly.
jussumbody, the target in CT is Joe Lieberman. Jane is not a target, she’s part of the fucking solution.
Why don’t you take advantage of the edit function and remove the gratuitous comment? If you have waited too long, just apologize to Jane.

john – i took the comment wrt to jane to be a way to praise molly. and no, she doesn’t write 4 columns a day… but she’s 62 years old and suffering from recurrent breast cancer… and she’s been fighting the good fight for decades – including getting fired by the nytimes.

i lived in texas during the ’90s (yes, i enjoyed bush as governer before the joys of his presidency) and her columns were a bit of snarky sanity in an insane state.

being a fan of jane’s doesn’t mean i can’t be a fan of molly’s. imo, they are BOTH part of the solution.

interestingly, the DLC was formed as an antidote to Jesse Jackson within the Democratic Party … big business types were getting fearful of a multiracial working-class coalition

*ilson46201 @ 222

I think that quote was originally Governor Ann Richards about George H.W. Bush — Gov. Richards was a drinking buddy of Molly’s …

Oh yes!!!

selise @ 223

John Casper @ 198

jussumbody at 7:10 pm,
Thanks for linking to a really fine article from Molly, who I had never heard of.
Why did you just have to take a gratuitous swipe at Jane? Does Molly crank out three or four posts a day seven days a week? Does Molly routinely comment in the threads on her blog? I liked Molly’s article, but if it weren’t for Jane, Ned wouldn’t still be in this race. Please excuse me if I don’t get all misty over Molly.
jussumbody, the target in CT is Joe Lieberman. Jane is not a target, she’s part of the fucking solution.
Why don’t you take advantage of the edit function and remove the gratuitous comment? If you have waited too long, just apologize to Jane.

john – i took the comment wrt to jane to be a way to praise molly. and no, she doesn’t write 4 columns a day… but she’s 62 years old and suffering from recurrent breast cancer… and she’s been fighting the good fight for decades – including getting fired by the nytimes.

i lived in texas during the ’90s (yes, i enjoyed bush as governer before the joys of his presidency) and her columns were a bit of snarky sanity in an insane state.

being a fan of jane’s doesn’t mean i can’t be a fan of molly’s. imo, they are BOTH part of the solution.

Thanks selise.
If you’re right, I assume jussumbody will let me know. I’ll be happy to apologize to jussumbody, if that was the case.

John Casper @ 198

jussumbody at 7:10 pm,
Thanks for linking to a really fine article from Molly, who I had never heard of.
Why did you just have to take a gratuitous swipe at Jane? Does Molly crank out three or four posts a day seven days a week? Does Molly routinely comment in the threads on her blog? I liked Molly’s article, but if it weren’t for Jane, Ned wouldn’t still be in this race.
jussumbody, the target in CT is Joe Lieberman. Jane is not a target, she’s part of the fucking solution.
Why don’t you take advantage of the edit function and remove the gratuitous comment? If you have waited too long, just apologize to Jane.

Lighten up, for chrisakes! Why don’t you quit trying to edit me and get a clue? All I meant was that Jane and Molly are world class snarkers. And Molly did crank out two or three columns a week, until all her cancer problems.

the Governor of Texas is the weakest in power of any state governor. I believe there are 134 statewide elected officials, including State Printer. Texans, correct me if I’m wrong!

Apology accepted

Jenny from the Blog @ 225

*ilson46201 @ 222

I think that quote was originally Governor Ann Richards about George H.W. Bush — Gov. Richards was a drinking buddy of Molly’s …

Oh yes!!!

another good one from ann (wrt bush): he was born with a silver foot in his mouth

*ilson #224 – Very interesting. I had no idea it was such a young organization.

katymine @ 7:28 pm (#209) – My former work at DoD taught me to start with the simple things, and work my way up. We quite literaly would get calls complaining that this or that computer component wasn’t working, only to find out that there was no electrical power at the site.

selise:

Yeah, Ann’s a pistol. :)

Hagel doesn’t say it was a bad idea (to put it lightly) to invade Iraq; he says we didn’t send enough troops.

There’s no doubt in my mind that things would have gone better if we had sent more troops. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think we should have invaded in the first place, but once the decision was made to invade, it should have been done competently.

Defeating Saddam’s army was just the first stage. Part of the reason things are so bad now is because chaos set in right after the invasion. Al lot of the looting and destruction that happened in the first few weeks after the invasion could have been prevented. While our too small force was overwhelmed and overtaxed, the insurgency got organized. There’s no doubt in my mind that a resistance movement would have eventually caught on, but Rumsfeld’s stupid strategy fueled them from the get go.

Bush. Stupid, a liar, and incompetent. It’s too bad that the poeple advising him are also crooks and morons. How the hell did we get stuck with this loser?

Oh yeah, I remember. Fucking Scalia.

Oklahoma Kiddo,
re: Firefox, sorry–I didn’t mean to just give the positives but I wrote so much and then deleted it, so that was all that was left.
That happens alot…..
What I don’t like about it is that on some sites where I could cut and paste live links using IE, Firefox doesn’t do that. Unless I just don’t know how.
And in doing a Microsoft download, must use IE.

Cozumel 218. No, I don’t want to trash anyone who was for the war but now is against it. Good for them. The more, the better. I mistrust Hagel. You’re attributing intentions to my post by asking if I would “trash” anyone who was for the war and now is not. Didn’t say that.

FWIW: Colbert fans, Stephen is now leading the voting for the naming rights of that Hungarian bridge. He has more than twice the next highest vote getter.

From the Wikipedia entry on Molly Ivins:

Her more colorful style clashed with the editors’ expectations, and in 1982, after she wrote about a “community chicken-killing festival” and called it a “gang-pluck,” she was dismissed.

Molly always has been a plucky one, that’s for sure.

A HUGE standing ovation for FirePup P J Evans who waded through the last-minute donations to Joe-nertia that are available only in PDF’s. There appears to be $215,000 in donations that really need further vetting, all received between 27-JUL and 05-AUG-06:

Occupation Amount Date
executive 8400.00 07/27/06
info req 3600.00 07/29/06
info req 5000.00 07/29/06
info req 5000.00 07/29/06
info req 6300.00 07/29/06
info req 6300.00 07/29/06
info req 6300.00 07/29/06
real estate 12600.00 08/01/06
investor 12600.00 08/01/06
student 2100.00 08/02/06
student 2100.00 08/02/06
student 2100.00 08/02/06
student 2100.00 08/02/06
info req 2500.00 08/02/06
info req 2500.00 08/02/06
president 2500.00 08/03/06
prof of law 2500.00 08/03/06
info req 2500.00 08/03/06
info req 2500.00 08/03/06
finance 10000.00 08/03/06
2500.00 08/05/06
retired 8400.00 08/05/06
CEO 10000.00 08/05/06
homemaker 10500.00 08/05/06
student 10500.00 08/05/06
executive 10500.00 08/05/06
student 10500.00 08/05/06
student 10500.00 08/05/06
chairman 10500.00 08/05/06
executive 14700.00 08/05/06

No names furnished in this comment (available in Evans’ spreadsheet and in FEC filings). What needs to be clarified:
- were donations within BCRA limits?
- did “millionaire amendment” apply?
- when will “info req” be furnished? (these donations are from 2 members of same household)
- are “students” minors or adult students living at home? (One family had 4 students that gave on same day as both parents…)

And then the other big question, for all donations including these:
- were these the only donations by these individuals to this campaign in this period, or no?

egregious @ 113

{{{{{{{sharkbabe and beloved goats}}}}}}}

Humbly requesting recommends at my second kos entry, ha, thot it was my first but apparently the whole create false evidence for bombing Iran was the first.

[end quote]

Thanks for all who hae helped me get a toehold at kos.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..183640/478

Still humbly requesting recommends over there, and thank you in advance.

If you somehow disagree that my mascara is a threat to the national security won’t you please head on over there and give me a plus.

IF YOU BAN MASCARA, YOU MUST BAN PENS which have about the same amount of ?dangerous? ?life-threatening? liquid.

Thanks in advance on behalf of all of us beautiful women with light colored eyelashes.

THE SECOND REVOLUTION MIGHT BEGIN WITH WOMEN DEPRIVED OF THEIR COSMETICS. I’m all over the irony of the first feminist revolution being to throw away our cosmetics…

Thx in advance for your egregious love :)

TEAM EGREGIOUS, lotus, need you to be there for me and the Russian babies…

*ilson46201 – Good point. The Vichy Dems have been happier with Bush than they would have been with Jesse (and with Stevie Wonder as the secretary of FINE arts – to quote President George Clinton). Our loss and the worlds loss. Bush and the Sadr Militia’s gain.

Cujo359 – I can tell stories… I was working as a nurse for an insurance company going to college in the evenings getting my degree in software engineering, lordy when the old IT folks told me to reboot twice after my desktop monitor went up in smoke…. I knew it was time to move on.

John Casper @ 226

not to worry…. just wanted to give some background on molly, since you said you hadn’t heard of her. i confess i’m a fan. ;-)

my introduction to molly cam from friends of mine who gave me her book “Molly Ivins Can’t Say That, Can She?” to prepare me for my move to tx.

me and girl fell asleep on the couch the other night after watching V for Vendetta which I turned her onto and it’s become a bond. my sleeping arms around her leg, her sleeping foot up my ass – thanks V.

I have regard for Hagel and I really don’t understand why, exactly. He never seems to come through but he does speak out when others on his side are silent. That’s something, I guess.

I like him as much as Hillary, actually.

One last point: Sure, if you agree to invade Iraq, then Hagel is right. The invasion was poorly planned and executed. And it went downhill from there. Just heard McCain say it’s not a civil war yet, and we can still turn things around.

Rayne — yes the millionaires exemption did kick in for Joe after Ned hit $2million or so. Caint recall the precise effective date.

Young folk can indeed contribute but I believe they have to be at least teenagers. A $2000 check from a three-year-old isnt credible, even if written in crayon…

sharkbabe — trying to picture that, but can’t. You must have the wide-screen version.

Margot @ 235

Oklahoma Kiddo,
re: Firefox, sorry–I didn’t mean to just give the positives but I wrote so much and then deleted it, so that was all that was left.
That happens alot…..
What I don’t like about it is that on some sites where I could cut and paste live links using IE, Firefox doesn’t do that. Unless I just don’t know how.
And in doing a Microsoft download, must use IE.

This IS good info to know. Especially the MS dnld part w/IE. Thanks again, Margot.

I wonder if Hagel is pro-choice. Have to look that up.

Finally, Kerry acting like he has nothing to lose, because he literally has nothing to lose.

Unfortunately, Reid can’t be trusted to adopt Kerry’s stance. Remember the reaction to the Feingold censure resolution?

‘night, all.

the only time I ever fire up IE is when dealing with Micro$oft itself …

I wonder if Hagel is pro-choice. Have to look that up.

I’m fairly sure he’s anti-choice.

I met Molly Ivans June 2005 at DemocracyFest. She was speaking on a panel discussion on Tom Delay with Hightower and Lou Debouse(sp). Before the panel started, Molly was sitting on the edge of the stage in front of a huge fan trying to get cool(we were in a big tent outside). I walked up and asked her for a picture for my mother who at 83yrs was a big fan. She was so amazing, not an pretension at all. She snapped her fingers to some young man with her and told him…. Take this picture for her her Momma….

Molly is just like her books. Her language is earthy and such a straight shooter. I feel very privileged to have met her.

JFB…

I DO like Hagel’s stance on Iraq, Jenny. As for Hillary? Well…

Hagel is for government-forced birth …

scarecrow – widescreen life, my only job to let it in

Mr Blifil — funny, that’s sorta the advice we (indirectly) gave him. Say the things you believe and that you’d say if you didn’t care whether it helped some future campaign or not. And now he has.

goodnight beautifuls

Dana @ 236

Cozumel 218. No, I don’t want to trash anyone who was for the war but now is against it. Good for them. The more, the better. I mistrust Hagel. You’re attributing intentions to my post by asking if I would “trash” anyone who was for the war and now is not. Didn’t say that.

Sorry I got bent ; ) I’ve been here a long time and know a few that fall in to the “initially for” catagory. You’d be surprised! ; )

If Hagel wants to jump ship, welcome aboard. If McCain and Lieberman want to go down with the ship (BushCo) that’s fine too ; ) Hehe

nite nite Sharkbabe

Open to life. Now that image, I get.

katymine @ 254

I met Molly Ivans June 2005 at DemocracyFest. She was speaking on a panel discussion on Tom Delay with Hightower and Lou Debouse(sp). Before the panel started, Molly was sitting on the edge of the stage in front of a huge fan trying to get cool(we were in a big tent outside). I walked up and asked her for a picture for my mother who at 83yrs was a big fan. She was so amazing, not an pretension at all. She snapped her fingers to some young man with her and told him…. Take this picture for her her Momma….

Molly is just like her books. Her language is earthy and such a straight shooter. I feel very privileged to have met her.

Molly… they simply don’t get any better. She’s southwest, and she’s sharp. As a razor.

“Lighten up, for chrisakes!”
Thanks for the constructive criticism jussumbody.

I didn’t interpret your 7:10 that way when I first read it. Your 7:35 makes it even less likely imo. My guess is that you are very familiar with comments that have been made earlier today and they informed your 7:10. That’s jmo.

That’s why I still think you took a gratuitous swipe at Jane. When I called you on it, suddenly Jane is a “world class” snarker.

jussumbody, I’d have more respect for you if you would have either stuck to your original swipe criticism or apologized to Jane. As far as I am concerned, you are the one “editing” yourself.

jussumbody, you are obviously intelligent and well read. We need your kind at FDL and working to change this country. I do appreciate you linking to Molly. I learned something from you and for that I am grateful. I hope you continue to visit, comment, and contribute financially to FDL.

That’s about as “light” as I get.

Howard Dean speech now on C-Span here in Boston; must be the meeting where they changed the primary rules.

Dubose.

-GSD

katymine @ 7:42 pm (#239) – Perfect response to their recommendation is “I’m afraid there’s no more smoke left in this thing”. Anyway, I’d say it was really the IT dept.’s time to go, but I’m funny that way.

Cozumel, Thanks. With this I agree:

If Hagel wants to jump ship, welcome aboard. If McCain and Lieberman want to go down with the ship (BushCo) that’s fine too ; ) Hehe

egregious – Nice Kos diary. (And my first ever recommend!) I’m one of those who reads, but never participates in the big orange.

Hagel has a pretty conservative voting record. But, he was not someone that was blindly cheerleading the war early on. Neither was McCain surprisingly.

Both having been in combat made them a little more reluctant than most of the keyboard commandos like Field Marshall Kristol and the rest of the PNAC/Neo-Con assclappers who thought that sending troops to war was as easy as writing an op-ed piece for the Washington Times.

That being said, McCain and Hagel still went for Cheney and Bush’s Iraq war bunkum. Along with most of the Senate Democrats too.

McCain though is the most repellent. He really is a phony. In 2000 he was a “reformer” because that was what was selling well. Now he is up Bush’s asshole on the war because he still thinks there is capital from that. He’ll be singing a different tune soon. Watch him, he is a chameleon.

-GSD

As for Chuck Hagel — Arianna wrote a while ago that she believes that Chuck Hagel will end up being the republican candidate for 2008, and that he will be fearfully hard to beat.

All that realistic talk, but right-wing voting all the way. Last time I heard her talk about him she sounded like she was getting to like him. I do not trust Arianna to stay loyal to dems. She will definitely crossover for whomever she likes at the moment. But IMO she is right on about Hagel.

GrandmaJ, That’s what I fear–Hagel as the republican candidate.

Hmmm, I arrive late to this thread to find John Casper defending Jane from … Molly Ivins? That’s pretty f*cked up, lol.

1. McCain is the senator that should represent me(AZ)
2. McCain is the BIGGEST WAR HAWK, way beyond Cheney or any other Neocon.
3. Never, NEVER be fooled about the maverick or independent or what other crap tagline they are using on McCain.
4. Hagel can still be branded with the votes with Bush too much. It is all blow and no substance.

If the Powell Doctrine as used by General Shinseki had been applied in Iraq it is highly unlikely that things would have turned out this bad.

The Rumsfeld Doctrine of “transformation”, had it been fully implemented would have been an absolute disaster and would have resulted in even more deaths a devastation.

Tommy Franks cut the baby in half and pushed the troop levels to something like 150,000 instead of the 50,000 that Rummy wanted.

That amount has been “just enough not to win” as Tom “6 more months” Friedman has stated.

-GSD

Cujo359 @
50

scarecrow @ 5:32 pm (#46) – Here’s the permalink to that article on the Lamont/Lieberman trends, just in case historians want to read it a week from now:

http://ctbob.blogspot.com/2006…..ility.html

A 22 point spread among indies. I would say half of that is name recognition, and will melt away as Lieberman starts to look more like

Cheney Lite.

Now that one’s got legs, folks.

I don’t know if it’s already been discussed here, but Digby had an interesting piece suggesting that the outbreak of open racism in the GOP recently is the beginnings of a strategy to minimize the damage from the Katrina anniversary by again stirring up the racist response of blaming the victims at the time it happened.

And it remains to be seen whether they can find a way to touch once again that deep, unexamined part of the American psyche that Katrina revealed — not hatred, but fear of African Americans. Fear, after all, is the GOP’s stock in trade.

katymine, “All blow and no substance” has, uh, won the last two elections. I am praying that it won’t happen again in 08, and even more so, in 06 where everything is on the line.

Being interviewed on n C-SPan now is a guy named Robert Spencer, of Jihad Watch, who claims that Islam is an inherently violent faith and explains terrorism. No distinction.

So who is this guy? Another Regnery author:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/spencer/

Gotta tell ya folks this is the only place where I sit around reading 300 comment threads, but this space is a mind feast that I never get tired of…

Does it occur to anyone that, as much as our K-12 and college students are taught about the Boston Tea Party, Boss Tweed, Teddy Roosevelt, and WWI and II, students 50 years from now, and then some (I hope) are going to be seeing traces of us in their history books? You all write as though you know you’re making a place in history, along with a better world. II hope that it is some comfort to know that historians are going to have to deal with how to frame up your ripple effects one hundred years from now…

Subway Serenade @ 281

Gotta tell ya folks this is the only place where I sit around reading 300 comment threads, but this space is a mind feast that I never get tired of…

yes, one of these days, I will get something done…

Subway Serenade @ 8:12 pm (#277) – I think the thing to remember about this race is that up until now, the independents haven’t had much reason to pay attention. Any poll numbers among them probably should be considered tentative right now. They’re probably don’t know as much about Lamont as they do Lieberman. Hopefully, that will change with time.

Very well-stated by Kerry. He seems to be letting Holy Joe have it with one more barrel than he used in the ‘04 campaign, though, and it’s too bad. A little more of this passion and directness might have put him over the top.

op99 274 — just a slight misunderstanding, with apologies and explanations missing each other. Everyone’s fine. Everybody likes Molly; everybody likes Jane.

scarecrow @ 280

Being interviewed on n C-SPan now is a guy named Robert Spencer, of Jihad Watch, who claims that Islam is an inherently violent faith and explains terrorism. No distinction.

Whatever. Has Spencer noticed that there are both Muslim non-terrorists (that includes every Muslim I’ve ever met!) and non-Muslim terrorists in the world? How does he explain that? Seems to me that the parsimony of his model can’t make up for its inadequacy.

op99 @ 274

Hmmm, I arrive late to this thread to find John Casper defending Jane from … Molly Ivins? That’s pretty f*cked up, lol.

I think Molly invented snark. Your milage may vary ; ) LOL

If the Democrats were only half as effective when training their sites on Republicans.

Joe gives Lamont both barrels. Kerry gives Neo-Republican Joe both barrels. It still looks like a civil war to outsiders.

Dick Cheney, now he knows where to shoot.

-GSD

From Haaretz:

“We have been trying the right’s way for nearly 60 years. Its results are written in blood and horror. Isn’t this the time, if only once, and terribly belatedly, to try the alternative we never tried?”

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/752244.html

-GSD

scarecrow @ 286

op99 274 — just a slight misunderstanding, with apologies and explanations missing each other. Everyone’s fine. Everybody likes Molly; everybody likes Jane.

Ditto

EvilDrPuma @ 287

scarecrow @ 280

Being interviewed on n C-SPan now is a guy named Robert Spencer, of Jihad Watch, who claims that Islam is an inherently violent faith and explains terrorism. No distinction.

Whatever. Has Spencer noticed that there are both Muslim non-terrorists (that includes every Muslim I’ve ever met!) and non-Muslim terrorists in the world? How does he explain that? Seems to me that the parsimony of his model can’t make up for its inadequacy.

spencer seriously needs to read robert pape’s book “Dying to Win: The Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism”

McCain yukkin’ it up with Iowa farmers right now on the NYT website. Oh, my, is it going to be a long 2 years and some months.

EvilDrPuma — the interviewer is asking those kinds of questions, to no avail. I’m always amazed at how such logical problems do not exist for some.

selise @ 291

spencer seriously needs to read robert pape’s book “Dying to Win: The Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism”

He sure as hell needs to read a book. Once you’ve descended to Spencer’s level of pig-ignorance, which book may not matter quite as much.

EvilDrPuma @ 294

selise @ 291

spencer seriously needs to read robert pape’s book “Dying to Win: The Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism”

He sure as hell needs to read a book. Once you’ve descended to Spencer’s level of pig-ignorance, which book may not matter quite as much.

i stand corrected.

scarecrow @ 293

EvilDrPuma — the interviewer is asking those kinds of questions, to no avail. I’m always amazed at how such logical problems do not exist for some.

You and me both. I can’t help but suspect that Spencer’s brain works in qualitatively different ways from yours or mine. Qualitatively different, unpleasant, downright disturbing ways.

EvilDrPuma @ 294

selise @ 291

spencer seriously needs to read robert pape’s book “Dying to Win: The Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism”

He sure as hell needs to read a book. Once you’ve descended to Spencer’s level of pig-ignorance, which book may not matter quite as much.

I always recommend one start with “My Pet Goat.”

GSD @ 290

Joe gives Lamont both barrels. Kerry gives Neo-Republican Joe both barrels. It still looks like a civil war to outsiders.

It is, we have a turncoat in our midst. As Jane says, we need to finish Lieberman off instead of letting him get up. Unfortunately our weak party leadership thinks helping fellow royal courtiers is more important than honoring their commitments to the party.

scarecrow @ 297

I always recommend one start with “My Pet Goat.”

Maybe I’ll write my own children’s book. How about “Donny the Duck Learns Why Solipsism is Bad?”

EvilDrPuma @ 8:28 pm (#296) – I think folks used to refer to that difference as “calcification”, although “seratonin deprived” might be a more modern alternative.

Cujo359 @
284

Subway Serenade @ 8:12 pm (#277) – They’re probably don’t know as much about Lamont as they do Lieberman. Hopefully, that will change with time.

I would hope so too. And since the netrootz seems to be Lamont’s only negative in this race, I’m more than optomistic.

Spencer is a better emetic than ipecac.

scarecrow @ 286

op99 274 — just a slight misunderstanding, with apologies and explanations missing each other. Everyone’s fine. Everybody likes Molly; everybody likes Jane.

Dat’s good, anyone want to join me in a chorus of Kumbaya?

thanx for the info, have to use firefox for firedog

seems appropriate, doesn’t it?

EvilDr- yep. A colleague of mine was reading a paragraph from a federal agency and described it thusly: “Every sentence is a complete sentence, and each may even be correct, but the paragraph is completely incoherent.” His other favorite saying is to describe an opponent as “never in doubt, but often wrong.” Of course, I think he once used that on me, too!

angie @ 8:33 pm (#302) – Spencer is a better emetic than ipecac.

I think you’re ignoring the side effects. “Side effects are generally mild, but may include delusions of grandeur and bleeding from the ears”.

Did anyone read Molly Ivins’ column, maybe a year ago, about what you do with a dog that kills chickens? Something about wiring a dead chicken around the dog’s neck, where he can’t get to it, and making him wear it for months, as it rots and putrifies, til he never again in his life wants to smell the scent of dead chicken. It was hilarious, wish I had a link. I think it had to do with how to teach people to stop voting for Bush, or something like that.

darkblack – if you’re still here – you have mail. :~)

scarecrow @ 8:36 pm (#305) – A few years ago one of our local TV stations, in one of those “crusading” segments, reported that the state government was sending its employees to english composition classes. Everyone on this segment seemed to be outraged that money would be spent on such a thing. It’s one of those times when I found myself yelling at the TV set. Those people write policies and laws, for crying out loud. Wouldn’t it be nice if they could write a proper paragraph?

Cujo 359– wait, wait,

OH nooooooooooooooooo.

Cujo359 @ 306

angie @ 8:33 pm (#302) – Spencer is a better emetic than ipecac.

I think you’re ignoring the side effects. “Side effects are generally mild, but may include delusions of grandeur and bleeding from the ears”.

The side effect is that we get unholy wars against whole civilizations, in the name of fighting jihadists. Do the gods understand irony?

OK, hat tip to Google, here is the Molly Ivins piece I referred to above. Hope I didn’t tell too much and spoil it for anybody.

http://www.alternet.org/columnists/story/20413/

neurophius @ 8:39 pm (#307) You mean this one?

http://www.workingforchange.co…..emid=18028

Google is frackin’ amazing.

neorophius — I remember that. It might have been about tying Iraq around the neocon’s/Bush’ neck.

I don’t think Kerry can be praised too highly.
Ned has to “appear like a U.S. Senator,” to the independents, and Democrats who still support Joe. In order to do that, he has to have people of stature such as Kerry, hammer Joe.

chisholm, I agree, I think Kerry would be better than Bill as president. I think they’re probably equally smart and intellectually curious and educated and all that jazz, but I believe that Kerry has some grit, some fortitude and power that Clinton doesn’t posses. And by the way, the presence of which would preclude Kerry from the sad-sack bullshit, take-yourself-down nonsense that plagues Clinton’s life. I will never forgive him for his fatal flaw and for the weakness that allowed him to just HAND OVER his legacy and our country to the insanity of impeachment and by extension the place we are now. I understand he’s a weak man with a huge flaw and I feel sad, not angry, at him for it. But I do think it can’t be left out of the final analysis of him… he GAVE them so much… he knew it mattered now (it’s not the 60s), especially that it mattered when it came to the way they oh-so-hated him, in particular… and yet, he did it, he couldn’t keep that goddamn fly zipped. I’m quicker to forgive good friend’s husbands for the same crime (only human and all that), but wow, the way he played into the hero myth — taking himself down; unfortunately, it also took down a political system and a country and a party, and frankly, the next however many years till we get back on track. It’s sad. And disappointing. I mean I know it’s not ALL his fault where we are now, of course, but damn, he really did just give it to ‘em.
Anyway. I don’t think Kerry would self-destruct and that’s why he’d be so much better in the job and for the country. He’s not a big baby like that.

By the way bg, I think you’re referring to “Going Upriver”. Just wanted to make sure the correct name is out there so people can find it — definitely worth a look, regardless of whether or not Kerry is back on board for the big office.

scarecrow @ 8:42 pm (#311) – The side effect is that we get unholy wars against whole civilizations, in the name of fighting jihadists. Do the gods understand irony?

Yes, but their legal department won’t let them write that on the label.

Late Night is upstairs—TRex is on a roll.

scarecrow @ 311

The side effect is that we get unholy wars against whole civilizations, in the name of fighting jihadists. Do the gods understand irony?

Understand it? What do you think is in that ambrosia?

Actually, reading Molly’s column again, I see that it would have fit just as well in the “50 ways to fight the Right” thread. Rather uplifting at the end.

neurophius @ 8:39, lol yes I remember that one well. We’ll have to find it. Molly had a great rant not too long ago about the Democratic Party that I’m trying to find in my files that was superb. She’s been my Snarkess Queen heroine for years. She’s relentless when it comes to her pet peeve the Bush Crime Family and being a Texan insider she always comes up with the goods.

Wow, Cujo!
They should put that 2004 article in the dictionary next to “prophetic.”
Anybody have an email handy where we can send Molly a little fanmail. I don’t think she’ll mind that it’s for something she wrote in 2004.

Cujo359 — I agree with you. Decades ago, when I worked for a state energy agency in Calif, we had a very competent staff of environmentalists and engineers, whose job was to make sure new power plants were permitted only if they met all environmental/safety/health regulations. These staff were all smart and dedicated to the public interest, but few of them could write well enough to explain what they were saying about e.g., air quality requirements, or engineering standards. Composition is not required to get an engineering degree.

As staff attorneys, our job was to translate for them, sometimes rewriting large parts of their entire testimony or technical reports, so that what they needed to happen could be understood by the decision-makers. That’s when I learned that there are two kinds of attorneys: those who try to explain things and those who try to obscure things.

John Casper @ 8:51 pm (#322) – You can go here and click on the “Write the author”. It leads to a form:

http://www.creators.com/opinio…..nsName=miv

Thanks Cujo!

Spencer is throwing up the words of Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell without even burping in between the xenophobia and hatemongering. He is completely repugnant, imho.

Too much superiority dancing in the shower while applying copious amounts of Grecian Formula will do that.

blech.

scarecrow @ 8:52 pm (#323) – I’m pretty good at writing, but often have a hard time explaining what I’m working on in writing. The problem is that when you understand a subject really well, you tend to forget to explain things or take certain concepts for granted. That’s why I think any large technical project should hire at least one person whose job it is to be the technical writer and editor. Just about any piece of writing that comes out of a practicing engineer or scientist’s hands is going to need some interpretation.

Of course, what you’re describing is often a good deal worse than forgetting to explain stuff. I sometimes wonder why undergraduate engineering and science programs don’t require a real composition course.

angie @ 9:00 pm (#326) – Too much superiority dancing in the shower while applying copious amounts of Grecian Formula will do that.

That was a visual I could have done without, thank you ;-)

For CuJo359, #61.

wintersoldier.com is definitely a propaganda site. Appears to be run by the “Swiftboat Veterans For Truth” bunch. John O’Neill will never get over Kerry showing the country what a fool O’Neill was on the Dick Cavat(sp?) show. He’s on this never ending revenge trip. The stress will probably kill him someday.

For the record I was on USS WASHTENAW COUNTY (LST 1166) during the time Kerry was with Coastal Division 11. I was one of the guys on the radio whenever the boats left An Thoi. All the way out and back. Even made some trips up the river on Swifts. Ain’t nothin’ like it in the world.

Cujo359 @ 327

scarecrow @ 8:52 pm (#323) – I’m pretty good at writing, but often have a hard time explaining what I’m working on in writing. The problem is that when you understand a subject really well, you tend to forget to explain things or take certain concepts for granted. That’s why I think any large technical project should hire at least one person whose job it is to be the technical writer and editor. Just about any piece of writing that comes out of a practicing engineer or scientist’s hands is going to need some interpretation.

I recently finished my dissertation (in archaeology), and I know I was feeling very aware of this during the writing process. My particular methodological specialties can easily get bogged down in jargon, and my writing style tends to adore the semicolon. At the same time, I needed to accommodate those committee members who weren’t versed in some of the same areas. It was tricky stuff. Good thing teaching also requires one to think about presentation.

Of course, what you’re describing is often a good deal worse than forgetting to explain stuff. I sometimes wonder why undergraduate engineering and science programs don’t require a real composition course.

I assume you mean a composition course outside of general rhetoric classes that at least many science majors are required to take? It’s a fair question. I tend to think the engineers in particular get short-changed in any area related to communication or to evaluation of ideas outside the technical sphere; at least other science students are expected to complete the same general requirements as social sciences and humanities majors in the programs with which I’m familiar.

SouthernDragon @ 9:05 pm (#329) – I remember Kerry and O’Neill on the Cavett Show. It was the first time I think I realized what a crock the war was (I was about 15 or 16 at the time). Still, if I’d been drafted, I probably would have gone in the service, and that’s why guys like Kerry are heroes as far as I’m concerned.

When you were on the radio, were you able to stay in contact with the boats? Seems like they could have gone quite some ways up the river. Most radios I’m used to from the Army inventory are good for maybe 20 klicks or so – not far if you’re on a big boat.

so sorry, Cujo!

I really could not help myself after watching and listening to him.

EvilDrPuma @ 9:10 pm (#330) – I haven’t checked in a decade or so, but what seems typical in engineering programs is one or two courses in basic writing and literature. Nothing that really equips you to write techncical documentation, even in situations where the format is well-defined. I was lucky enough to be interested in learning how to write anyway, so I made the most of what was there and learned some on my own. Oddly enough, I’ve earned a living as a tech writer as well as an engineer.

Maybe scientists get more training than that, perhaps because so many go on to do graduate work. As scarecrow can attest, though, there are many examples of that training not having had much effect.

neurophius @ 307 YES! That’s exactly what she said (or at least, that’s exactly how I remember it). Let the sumbitches smell the rot. They voted for it.

It strikes me that a “Flip-Flop” type of campaign would be extremely effective in pointing out to the voters what a hypocrite Joe has been. I’d been working on just such a script, but stopped. It’s one of those things where you can see Joe trying to have it every which way, dependent on where he felt the wind was blowing.

My point is that such a campaign would undermine him with Independents, Democrats and Republicans, if it’s clearly demonstrated that he’s stabbed all parties in the back.

Cheney-Joe. Fuck yeah!

JWR @ 270

egregious – Nice Kos diary. (And my first ever recommend!) I’m one of those who reads, but never participates in the big orange.

the big orange ???

holy shit, you got a name for us now ???

whodathunkit ???

Egregious@113:

Done

Now that’s what I call reporting for duty!

I’m not sure Alito is so much a third-rate legal mind as he is an “activist judge.” Although, since many of his decisions and arguments are pretty scary, and seem to defy common sense, there’s no reason he can’t be both!

Don’t care for Kerry or his billions, but I am quite upset you cut that picture in half.Snap.

Lieberman ought to be tied to Cheney. Theirs is a long-term love affair.

Maybe this will help:

http://www.orrill.com/blog/archives/001263.html

CuJo359 @ 331. We were in constant contact with the boats. The transmitters at An Thoi could usually reach the boats (they had a huge antenna array), but the radios on the boats couldn’t always reach An Thoi. 20 klicks is about right, line of sight. They weren’t much better than PRC-10’s, although I humped that mother a bunch in the bush. Great little radio. WASHTENAW COUNTY acted as a relay whenever the boats got out of their range but we monitored every message. We stationed ourselves between An Thoi and the coastline. We usually had a Coast Guard cutter in the area to provide emergency medical assistance if the boats needed it. They had a doctor, we had a corpsman. That was part of all the brouhaha with the Truthiness Swiftboaters. I actually got to give an earful to some clown claiming to be a “special forces historian” when he was trying to dig up dirt on Rasmussen, the Green Beret who was knocked overboard. I didn’t get anything like a Silver Star for that action but got a gong, nonetheless. Sorry for the delay. It was almost midnight my time (Gulfport, FL) when I posted. Had to get my FEC report in.
Peace.

I too was glad to see some gumption in my state’s Senator, for whom I have happily voted for in every state-wide and nation-wide election he has ever stood.

However, I WILL NEVER EVER EVER FORGIVE HIM FOR LAYING DOWN IN 2004 WHEN CONFRONTED WITH UNDENIABLE REPORTS OF ELECTION FRAUD. WHERE WAS YOUR GUMPTION THEN, Senator John Kerry? Where was the indomitable courage that let you lead the VVAW back in the 1970’s? What in the HOLY HELL do they have on you that you would lay down so immediately, letting down the more than 50% of Americans across our great land who voted for you instead of the idiotic corrupt USURPER?

Right now, Harry Reid thinks that IF Joe Lieberman pulls a rabbit out of his hat and wins the November election, then Joe will support Harry in taking over the Senate as Majority Leader – toppling Nancy Pelosi. Joe thinks that Harry will allow him to keep his committee chairmenships and assignments even as a third Party, IF he manages to pull off that win. My guess is: both these guys have struck a bargain to ameliorate each other’s powers. It’s all very ‘iffy’ as we drift into September. Lieberman leads in CT with only 5-6 pts. As Lamont closes the gap, and I’m certain he will, watch how the rhetoric in the DLC and DSCCC changes….especially Harry’s.

bboop @
345

Right now, Harry Reid thinks that IF Joe Lieberman pulls a rabbit out of his hat and wins the November election, then Joe will support Harry in taking over the Senate as Majority Leader – toppling Nancy Pelosi.

Pelosi is in the House and has nothing to do with the Senate. Nothing! Reid is the Senate Democratic Leader…

Having worked the Enfield precinct for Ned on primary day, I noticed that the majority of under-40 voters gave positive comments about Ned. I think that this demographic needs to be given more attention in the coming weeks and months.
As for the Old Guard (Harry, Hillary, et al) – to hell with them! It’s time to stand up like John Kerry and John Edwards and support Ned big time!

Cheney is the administrations old attack dog: makes a lot of noise, but doesn’t bring anything with bite. Bark about cakewalks, uranium cakes and last throes, all with nothing to back up the talk. and yet Lieberman insists on sniffing Cheney’s hindquarters.

S.O.S. from MA @
344

I WILL NEVER EVER EVER FORGIVE HIM FOR LAYING DOWN IN 2004 WHEN CONFRONTED WITH UNDENIABLE REPORTS OF ELECTION FRAUD. WHERE WAS YOUR GUMPTION THEN, Senator John Kerry? ?

BULLSEYE! Thank you, Senator Kerry, for speaking out boldly…now. But when it really counted, and when everything was on the line, you sold us out. You’re a good and decent Senator, but don’t even think about running for President again. You let everyone who voted for you down, and you still had $15 million of our hard earned donations in the bank instead of using every last cent to win! What the hell is that?

Our next nominee must be someone with the character and courage to stand and fight against the theft of an election, Republicans and their ’sore loser’ attacks be damned. Otherwise, why should any of us even bother?

John Edwards wanted to fight, though Kerry held him back. Wes Clark has balls and true grit. Russ Feingold is principled and courageous. The next nominee has got to have these qualities. It’s our democracy, and not their ‘future political viability’ that are at stake.

Fox News Exclusive: “JonBenet Suspect Awarded Medal of Freedom by Grateful President”

In a surprise move by the President, JonBenet Suspect John Mark Karr was Awarded the Medal of Freedom in a quiet ceremony at the White House this morning. During the ceremony, President Bush was quoted as saying: “Thanks for taking the heat off of me and my administration, young man. You let me know if Homeland Security or I can do any thing else for you.” When questioned about the abruptness of this unscheduled award ceremony, Bush stated that Karr had done a great service for the United States, and that the president was very grateful for the “much needed respite from the media” caused by Karr.

Yep, John Kerry does it again. It always amazes me when people are surprised when Kerry does something whether it’s the filibuster try with Alito or a statement like this. All you have to do is look at Kerry’s past. I agree with Kerry and that democrats and just people in general who are not on Lieberman’s side should tie him to Cheney. Is Cheney still Mr. 14%?

Last I heard Kerry still had a court date in Ohio. It’s not his fault if the courts don’t go through with it.

*ilson46201 @
26

Joe’s quick to send other people’s kids off to Iraq to fight Cheney’s war — the Liebermans just sent their 19yo youngest child off to Israel to study …

Is that true? The Lamont campaign should use that information and make a new ad. Telling how Lieberman wants to send your kids to “war” and to hell but not his own and his own kids went to Israel.

Wow…just stopped by here and what and eyeful I got. You all are sure full of hate!

Lieberman, 2004 supported the Iraq war, he was made the VP choice. What changed? Someone wants him to force his adult daughter into military service! Didn’t we do away with the draft? Lieberman has voted 90% of the time for Dem. issues…he didn’t quit the party, the party quit him for not blindly following a party line. I guess that’s the type of leaders you want for this country?

Hello ladies, gentlemen,

Don’t have much time, so apologies beforehand. Just did a *quick* swipe on this *long* thread so I may have missed much, it’s a work day for me. However …

1.) WRT Chuck Hagel, I have to say
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0301/S00166.htm or just google Hagel Diebold

2.) Molly Ivins *rocks* and so does Jane

3.) wrt Lebanon, still looking for some leadership from NL???

Jeff @
354

Wow…just stopped by here and what and eyeful I got. You all are sure full of hate!

Hey Jeff, I guess you didn’t have the High School Civics teacher that I did. If you had, you would look at the regime now in charge and be full of contempt, rage, fear, loathing and yes, HATE, too.

And by extension, Lieberman, for swallowing their line and now accepting their money, gets an equal share. “Quisling” is too gentlemanly a term for him. I’d say he’s gone for, and achieved, full-scale Schmuckitude.

Call me a Moonbat as much as you want, but just wait for the judgment of history upon you and your ilk. If there is a future history of our Democracy, that is.

Now go ‘way and mix yerself up a nice new batch of Kool-aid.

well “Jeff”,

If you really read what’s here you would know how little you got before you decided to spout off. Lieberman didn’t quit the party, he just decided not to let the Democrats of Connecticut decide that Lamont was truly their candidate. And now he is throwing into jeopardy the chances of other Democrats in Connecticut become elected in November. Does that sound like someone who is a true Democrat?
We here at FDL want a bigger Democratic representation in Congress. Joe Lieberman is making that more difficult because he won’t support the Democratic Candidate for the U.S. Senate.

Ned Lamont will have an easy time defeating Schlessinger and Karl Rove knows that. That’s why Karl is supporting Joe Lieberman. That’s why Fox News and Rush Limbaugh and every other pompous Republican ass is supporting Lieberman. Ned Lamont is a true Democrat. Joe Lieberman is a Republican enabler.

Sunny @
349

BULLSEYE! Thank you, Senator Kerry, for speaking out boldly…now. But when it really counted, and when everything was on the line, you sold us out.

Thank you, Sunny.

HotFlash @ 355

…WRT Chuck Hagel, I have to say
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0301/S00166.htm or just google Hagel Diebold

True. I never look at Hagel as legit, despite (or probably BECAUSE OF) his self-positioning for ‘08, because of his voting-machine connection. We must keep that taint in the public eye (you should pardon the expression).

Your other two points are also true and good, but I wanted to jump in quick and lend particular support to your Hagel thing. I don’t trust the guy. Of course he’s a Republican which is crappy for starters… but he’s a future “contender” so watch out.

SoS and Sunny,

Your facts are wrong. John Kerry still has a lawsuit in Ohio that’s suppose to start this month. The lawsuit tackles the Civil Rights violations and violations of the Voting Right’s Act for miniorities.

Now if he had stopped fighting, then why would he have spent the last 2 years working with lawyers to build a solid case–one that wouldn’t be thrown out of court like Fritakis’s case..the one that they stayed in with even though their attorneys said that one would likely fail. Fritakis’s was thrown out of court as they knew would happen.

However, they have a very strong case–technically two cases–that were not thrown out of court.

I’m just curious though…how come nobody seems to know about these two very strong cases–cases that if he wins will set precident for future elections?

Maybe it’s time people started giving Kerry his due. Afterall, Gore stood in front of the cameras and shouted fraud…without proof and the media and people made fun of him. Then Kerry went behind the scenes and tried to resolve election crimes through legal measures and you still have people blaming him.

Maybe nobody should run for office since the only thing you get is people complaining no matter what you do. OR maybe people should run for election warden offices so that they can protect our democracy and not let the Republicans steal it.

Sos and Sunny,

Also the Honorable John Conyers disagrees with you too.

“”Fighting for Every Voter”

A few more words about an issue that is of the utmost importance to me. As political candidates, we spend considerable time and effort every election cycle fighting for votes…

A few more words about an issue that is of the utmost importance to me.

As political candidates, we spend considerable time and effort every election cycle fighting for votes. After the election, whether won or lost, many candidates leave the irregularities of the election behind. But we owe the voters more than that. When voters are disenfrachised, we owe it to them to seek justice and expose the truth. That is why I have been so proud of the Kerry-Edwards campaign’s ongoing involvement in the investigation and litigation of what went wrong in Ohio. I wrote to the candidates recently to ask that they continue to be involved in this important endeavor.
This is not about the past. It is about figuring out what went wrong and why — and then getting the next election right, not for the Democratic Party, but for all of the voters.

- John Conyers”

http://www.conyersblog.us/archives/00000213.htm
Ultimately, if you chose to support John Kerry or John Edwards or anyone else, it’s your decision. But at least base it on facts and not election night misinformation.

http://fairnessbybeckerman.blo…..count.html

Kerry and Edwards to Stay in Recount Case!!! Trial to Start in August 2006 Don McTigue, attorney for John Kerry and John Edwards, appeared in federal court in Toledo, before Judge Carr, on August 30th, and told the Court that Kerry and Edwards intend to remain in the case. Judge Carr set an August 22, 2006 trial date. Additionally he consolidated the two recount cases, Rios v. Blackwell and Yost v. Cobb & Badnarik. He gave the plaintiffs until September 15th to file amended pleadings (plaintiff’s counsel had requested an opportunity to streamline their claims). Judge Carr set a discovery cut-off of May 1, 2006, and ruled that any summary judgment motions must be made by May 15, 2006.

I take your points, silence is complicity. Perhaps I should reserve judgment, especially since Rep. Conyers is one member of Congress whose guts and work I have long respected.

I am DEFINITELY not advocating going around the law, but I can’t help thinking that Kerry’s lack of election-night (or post-election-morning) fight was a major disservice to the nation as a whole and to the (more than 50% of the) voters who cast their ballots for him. Because the lack of that fight has condemned us to be where we are. The longer it takes for this “solid case–one that wouldn’t be thrown out of court” to appear on the docket, the more time the Bushies have to destroy the impartiality of those same courts!

[Like, for example, anyone wanna lay odds on any of those supposedly “airtight” cases actually being HEARD prior to the mid-terms? I didn’t think so]

The least Kerry could have done on Election Night/post-election morning, imho, would have been to say “THEY DONE ME WRONG! But I can’t prove it now. So the only thing I can do is accept this apparent result. But, WATCH THIS SPACE.”

That, I think, would have put the nation, the Bushies/Neocons, and Republican Party on notice that there was more fight in him yet.

I see John Conyers out there fighting the good fight. I see where you quote Conyers as giving credit to Kerry/Edwards for staying in the fight. But “perception is reality” and perhaps if Kerry/Edwards had spent some of that rumored $15Mil in surplus campaign funds on PR, Kerry’s rep as a possible future Presidential contender would not be in the dumper.

But it is.

“teh next vp of the uniteted states of america, russ, teh man that brought darth cheney to HIS KNEES “

Hey, me to me, why only VP?

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‘But “perception is reality” and perhaps if Kerry/Edwards had spent some of that rumored $15Mil in surplus campaign funds on PR, Kerry’s rep as a possible future Presidential contender would not be in the dumper.’

Hey, S.O.S. from MA, Kerry couldn’t spend that money – that’s the money he had left over before the convention. After the convention he was using federal campaign funds – as is the law after one has been nominated. The 15 G’s from the primaries had to be set aside. (FYI – Gore had several millions laying around after his convention, too.)

One BIG problem Kerry had was the convention. The Dem convention and the Repug convention were about a month a part. Kerry was on federal campaign funds before Shrub was. Shrub could still raise primary funds for an extra 30 days – run the swifties at Kerry.

FYI – after the election, Kerry’s been spreading the that 15 million around. Here in Washington he gave $200,000.00 to the Gregoire Campaign for the governor’s election recount we had here last year.