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While several high-profile Democrats have called upon Holy Joe to drop his Cut-and-Run 2006 bid, nobody has yet used the direct rhetoric that John Kerry did today in speaking about the situation (video C&L):
George Stephanopoulos: Senator Lieberman said your policy is going to "strengthen the terrorists." Are you concerned that his independent candidacy, him out there making the Republican case for the mid-terms is going to hurt Democrats across the country?
John Kerry: I am concerned that he is making the Republican case and he's uttering almost the same words as Vice President Cheney, and I think it's inappropriate.
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The fact is Joe Lieberman is out of step with the people of Connecticut. I believe that he's just dead wrong with respect to the war. And to adopt the rhetoric of Dick Cheney, who has been wrong about almost everything he has said about Iraq, shows you just exactly why he got in trouble with the Democrats there.
Dick Cheney said the insurgency was in its "last throes." Dick Cheney is the guy who said they're going to be "welcomed with flowers," that this was going to be a cakewalk. The fact is that what's happening in Iraq today is a reflection of an internal struggle between Sunni and Shia and the lack of the resolution is something that's crying out for diplomatic and political solution. The continued rhetoric of this administration, and Joe Lieberman adopting it, I think is a huge mistake for Joe, and obviously the people of Connecticut are going to make their own decision.
Lieberman ought to be tied to Cheney. Theirs is a long-term love affair.
Kerry has done the right thing before -- he had the courage to lead the filibuster against Alito even though he knew all the hacks were going to accuse him of pandering to the base. I suppose that's a bad thing in a world where you're expected to be pandering to lobbyists, money and power, but Kerry now looks prophetic -- Alito is a third-rate legal mind who owes his fealty to the fundies and Kerry's actions will be well remembered both in the blogoshere and the history books. His decision to cut through the crap and forcefully call out Holy Joe for what he is doing will no doubt likewise serve his legacy well.
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If Joe gave a fig about the Democratic Party he would’ve given a graceful concession speech and stepped aside. Lamont would be the next senator from Connecticut hands down. I still think he will win but… damn.
Kobe for sure.
It is Dick Cheney who is in the “last throes”. I voted for John Kerry against Bush. Hillary, why don’t you get hip? Do something!
I am listening to a local talk show host on our Air America station… he said that what we have right now is a Perfect Storm, the perfect storm of a Repug Party. Massive corruption, liars, thief and shredding of OUR Constitution and Bill of Rights.
We got where we are by playing nice and by the rules. Well thankfully, our elected officials can learn. You do not take a knife to a gun fight. We are in a battle for our way of life and I am thrilled to see that not only are they bringing the correct weapon but firing both barrels!
About F*nking time!
And it’s about time for the rest of the Dems to wake up and knock the cobwebs out from their heads and start talking sense…….there is nothing worse that the GOP’s operatives could do to any individual Dem than what they are doing to the US in aggregate. Now IS the wave of the future, and we need that wave to be a veritable tsunami of change in order to reclaim our country from the evil governators………
I really think that the right thing to do here is turn Joe into a Republican. If Joe won’t stand up and officially be one, then we have to do it for him. That also means doing whatever it takes to tick him off so he will jump ship. Yes, the Senate might be in the balance, but this party needs to define itself. Kerry and a few others- like Fiengold, see the light. I just wish the Senate leadership would get on board with the program.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 6
Well she did throw some mad money at Ned, five grand. That’s probably the equivalent of a cuppa coffee and a scone from her political war chest. Thanks Hill!
Has any called Holy Joe a Quisling yet or is that too loaded a term?
-GSD
$5000 was the very max Senator Clinton could donate to Ned — she did it immediately . . .
Hmm, I must be hungry. Figs and scones… yum.
*ilson:
I seriously did not know that. Thanks for the info.
This afternoon on npr, can’t remember the program, Turley was talking about the NSA decision and said that, in terms of the case going to the Supremes on its path through the courts (which it surely will), Alito is the “best friend this administration has” and that Alito votes for the administration’s benefit “without thinking”. Powerful words, and I couldn’t agree more. He also spoke about how Bush has repeatedly committed felonious crimes by ignoring the FISA court and the warrants required many many many times and asked what will happen to hold him to account for that?
Joe’s not a Quisling — he’s a full-blown Quisle !
I LOVE that everyone is saying “cheney has been wrong on just about everything”, but I REALLY think we can render chebey a CLOWN;
“Dick Cheney has been the most inept president in American history, this man who has NO military experience, who dodged the draft 5 times, had the NERVE to overule our own military generals, the finest military minds in the world…he needs to STOP making policy or statements like he has which have damaged this country and abused our military for his personal military experiemnt”
that one would embarrss that man and he might never show his face again
to the point the president would look to use him as a scapegoat
in addition, statements like that would poisen skooters defense when skooter tried to use the vice president as an axcuse
this could be JUGE, and I hope people start to get this kind of descriptive when asked about cheney again
BING
Somewhere today I read why it is sooo important for the leaders of the Democrtic Party cut RGJoe off at the pockets. He needs to be stripped and slapped down completely.
If Joe wins as a “CT for Lieberman” party member and is embrased by the Dem leaders, then what is the purpose of a political party? You either have rules as a member of that party or you don’t. When you don’t then you really do not have a party.
Next…. what do you tell the children?
You tell your kids to play by the rules but then you have RGJoe out there making shit up.
It’s time for Harry Reid, Chuck Schumer, Chris Dodd and the others to say what John Kerry dares to say!
Lieberman said the Bush administration should have sent more troops into Iraq “to secure the country.”
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WeI had a naive vision that the Iraqis were going to embrace us and then go on and live happily ever after,” he said.http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200.....ieberman_1
Edited ; )
karen allen @ 19
let’s give the credit where it’s due, I beleive it was teh man, feingold who coined the expression first
if it was someone who did it before russ, then that person needs to get the credit,, but I believe it was russ
teh next vp of the uniteted states of america, russ, teh man that brought darth cheney to HIS KNEES
could someone PUHLEEZE tell me step by step how to edit, I CAN’T DO IT
There are a lot of people who slam Kerry for his sadly obvious flaws, but he is at least sincere and steadfast when it comes to trying to be fair and stand up for what he believes is right. Another thing about Kerry, aside from his unwillingness to stand up to the swiftboaters and election crimes, he does make statements like this one when others are busy talking behind their hands so nobody can pin them down on what they have said. He’s a good senator, all things considered. I’m glad to have him and Ted Kennedy advocating for the folks here in MA and have always voted for them.
Me to me @21: I just want them to come out and call out Lieberman. I’m not interesting in ranking them in order.
Dick/Joe = 18% approval rating and falling fast.
Joe’s quick to send other people’s kids off to Iraq to fight Cheney’s war — the Liebermans just sent their 19yo youngest child off to Israel to study …
As to Senator Clinton, I am visualizing something a little bit significant. Say…something like “let’s get out of the civil war that is Iraq”. Let’s bring our soldiers home. Now! And perhaps the Senator could follow this up by saying “this is what Bush has done. And this is what I will do as president”.
me to me @22
1. preview is your friend
2. Spell Check is your next best friend (even for me)
3. You have 5 minutes to edit a comment until you hit F5 or refresh.
“I had a naive vision that the Iraqis were going to embrace us and then go on and live happily ever after,”
-Neo-Republican and Deadeye Dick Cheney fluffer, Joe Lieberman
Well, it is great to know that the man who was a heartbeat away from the presidency was basing his foreign policies on “naive visions”.
What the fuck Joe? Please end it now. Someone stop the rampant moronism that is plunging American in a pit of no return.
-GSD
Listening to a talk from the Kennedy Library about John Kennedy, do you realize he’d be 89 this year? Yikes, that’s amazing.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 27
we need to phrase this correctly, it’s been a war of words that we have lost and we have to start winning it
we need to begin with;
“our boys and girls were tasked with overthrowing saddam Whu’s insane, they completed their task, they did it better and fastter then anyone could have imagined
now they aer occupying Iraq, they are NOT an occupying force, they are NOT a political tool
they completed their task, it’s time to bring them HOME”
THAT’S the way this has to be fremad
*ilson46201 @ 26
isn’t Quinnipiac University good enough ?
katymine @ 28
I don’t have five nunutes, it won’t let me edit
Alito is a third-rate legal mind who owes his fealty to the fundies and Kerry’s actions will be well remembered both in the blogoshere and the history books.
Which was something that was actually pretty obvious back then, I thought. All you had to do was contrast him to Roberts. Whatever I might think of his predispositions, the man had a mind. Alito sounded like Bush without the stutter.
If the Dems blow the 2006 elections it won’t be because they are weak on terrorism as the Republicans say (and Lieberman implies.) It will be because they don’t have the instinct to go for the throat the way the republicans do. The majority of Dems are giving Lieberman a pass while he bashes the party. His campaign hurts the campaigns of the Dem candidates for the U.S. Congress in Connecticut. His campaign also undermines the Democratic message that Bush and the republicans still support a failed policy in Iraq. The priority of the Democratic party as far as Connecticut goes should be to elect Lamont and the Dem House members. For some reason that I for one don’t understand, most national Dems won’t go all the way in support of that goal.
me to me @ 33
I type for a living but spell checker & dictionary is heavily depended on….
Is this true *ilson46201, me to me cannot edit?
*ilson:
Could Hillary give Ned more money now? Just wondering what the time-frame is…
Cheers for Jane!
Cheers for Feingold, Richardson, Edwards, Kerry
Cheers for Frank Rich [via truthout]
GSD –
Steve Gilliard had a HoJo as Benedict Arnold graphic — the most notorious traitor in American history also happened to be from Connecticut.
$5K is the max for the general election.
the fancy edit feature is dependent on Javascript which is poorly implemented on Internet Explorer so it may work properly with IE6. You should be using the free, superior Firefox browser anyways …
me to me at 22
I knew I’d never remember all the bells & whistles for editing, so I bookmarked the post that described just how to…
Here ya go. And what katymine said at 28 is very helpful too ;->
http://www.firedoglake.com/200.....en-thread/
me to me @ 5:22 pm (#33) - Do you see a “Refresh Comments” button near the bottom of this page (just above the comment form)? If you don’t, you probably don’t have Javascript enabled, which seems to be required for the edit comment thing to work.
Oh, and what *ilson46201 said about Firefox. You can selectively enable Javascript, and block obnoxious ads.
Jane- sorry this is sorta OT, and you can delete if needed. But, the whole thing about how many votes may have been lost due to the unfortunate graphic episode has been bugging me all day. Anyone who tries to put negative numbers on this also needs to put positive numbers on how very very many voters and votes that you and FDL brought to the Lamont campaign by your tireless reporting on the importance of Ned’s challenge to Lieberman, and the respective positives (what Ned is about) and negatives (what Joe is about). I was hooked from the get go by your words, and as you know, I ended up in CT, working for a few days at least for the Lamont campaign. So, you have my utter admiration. You made a huge difference.
And, now, back on-topic. Thanks, John Kerry. Finally you have done something that I am proud of.
I am going to start a next round of phone calls & emails to Harry Reid, Schumer and other Democratic Senators tomorrow. I am going to blast them for not stripping an obvious Non-Democrat who is running in CT and he needs to be stripped of committee roles and shunned.
The minute he filed as a CT for RGJoe, he is NO LONGER a Democrat.
major kudos to kerry for this….
i’ve been critical of him in the past when he’s done something i don’t like (and i will continue to be). but, that’s only part of the story…. many times (more than most) kerry does the right thing and wrt to lieberman - today he did the right thing - and he did it loudly and at the right time. i want to give him all kinds of thanks for that.
let’s make sure he know how much we appreciate what he’s done!
(and don’t forget his good works wrt net neutrality!)
Over at Ct Bob’s, Kirby is filling in as Bob is on vacation. Kirby provides a nice graph of the trends in Dem vs Reb support for Lamont and JL. You can see there’s lots of room for Lamont to increase his support, but little if anything left for JL — most of whose support is from Republicans who have abandoned Schlesinger.
http://ctbob.blogspot.com/
Unless the big dogs of the Democratic Party get together and force Joe out of this race, he’s going to win. BTW, Jane, really nice picture of you at the top of this article…
OK, why is she holding a severed leg?
me to me –
The edit function doesn’t work with IE6 — it does work with Firefox, and some have said it works with IE7. Don’t know about the other browsers.
scarecrow @ 5:32 pm (#46) - Here’s the permalink to that article on the Lamont/Lieberman trends, just in case historians want to read it a week from now:
http://ctbob.blogspot.com/2006.....ility.html
OldTimer @ 47
They’re not going to force him out. They could shun him, though, and let it be known he’s not a player in the party anymore.
I’m not totally lovin’ Kerry, but I think it is good to recall the “Winter Soldier Hearings” from back in the day. Kerry was young, with political ambitions too, but if anyone watched “Up the River” during the campaign, it did give a good sense of his character.
One thing I like to note in particular is that when all the soldiers coming back from Vietnam began to turn, he was the spokesman. And he did not lose his cool in front of the Senate Committee (many of whom were hostile to him), nor did he lose it in front of the news cameras. It was a time of a LOT of emotion, and he kept his head, and he told it like it was. Way cool.
I remember how the anti-war movement surged after Winter Soldier. I was in high school. We needed it. It was a catalyzing moment, and from then on, it was downhill for the US in Vietnam.
hiya scarecrow!
Ok… hold the fort down while I go mow the lawn now that it is cooler than 107…
Catch you later…. preview is your friend… only use firefox and yes I have a lawn in AZ, Miss Dog will NOT go potty on gravel. Don’t ask me, it is her thing…
“Finally John Kerry has done something I can be proud of.”
His tour in Vietnam,the medals, the rescued comrades, his career in the Senate and his hard-fought campaign were what, bupkes?
He’s certainly accomplished a hell of a lot more than I–and most others–have.
I could very well be wrong on this, but my impression is that what comes out of Hillary’s mouth is more important than what comes out of her purse for Lamont. Support from both, of course, is most desirable.
Did anyone catch the earlier Reuters report on JL reiterating what a loyal Dem he is? I read it two hours ago, but now, the same Reuters report from my Yahoo news site is missing a couple of paragraphs — the ones with responses from Lamont’s campaign — IIRC, saying they stand by their charaterization of JL’s support of Bush and ridiculing his Johnnnie-come-lately call for Rummy’s resignation.
A litte reseach is in order to see when JL might have supported Rummy in the past when others were calling for his resignation. And remember that JL was rumored to be in line for the same job, so he would have been reluctant to openly embarrass the Pres by calling for resignation. I see an nice issue shaping up here.
Trying this out in IE7, have all the same as firefox
Cujo359 — thanks for the permalink — you’re a better linker/person than I.
The minute he filed as a CT for RGJoe, he is NO LONGER a Democrat.
I think the big push on Joe should come when (and if) his petitions are certified. At that point, he is officially CTfJ, trying to defeat the Democratic nominee.
Maybe party powers are thinking that, too, and thinking this gives Joe a few weeks to cool his jets and quit. Ah, one can dream, eh?
He submitted petitions on Aug 9th to SecState, which then would have to mail them to each County Clerk to certify, within two weeks of reciept by Clerk. So it may be another week or two before we know final results — right about time for Labor Day.
bg @ 5:36 pm (52) - I’m very grateful John Kerry was there back in ‘71. I graduated from high school in 1974, and I have no doubt that if Kerry and others hadn’t stepped up, I or some of my classmates would have been draftees.
The Winter Soldier hearing transcripts are online, BTW. I had to find them to settle an argument with some wingnut over at Taylor’s place:
http://www3.iath.virginia.edu/.....entry.html
There’s also a wintersoldier.com site that claims to be about the Winter Soldiers, but actually appears to be a GOP propoganda site. Be forwarned.
I’m glad Kerry is taking the lead on this considering he was attacked viciously by the same people who Joe nows holds so dear to his darken soul.
chisholm- you are absolutely correct. sorry, I was reflecting my frustration with Kerry’s behavior in (not) challenging the outcome of the OH votes, in light of his promise to “make every vote count”. I found that really painful.
What if any, briefly, are the down sides of Firefox? And a one sentence advantage, perhaps. (over IE6, that is)
Kerry is at his best when he has nothing to lose by being honest, which is why his best and highest use in the party is the role he is playing right now.
The fact is that Joe Lieberman is not only out-of-step with most Democrats, he is out-of-step with a growing number of Republicans, too - with the exception of John McCain, who can’t wait to send even more kids into the killing factory that Iraq has become.
Chuck Hagel was absolutely right this morning when he told Chris Wallace that the issue of Iraq is not a Democrat v. Republican issue, and that the more of a wedge issue the media tries to make it, the less chance there is of actually solving the problem.
If Joe wants to be lashed to Dick Cheney, I say we should let him. Remind the voters at every opportunity that it was Dick Cheney who probably got us into this mess in the first place, he has been wrong on every single strategic and policy decision that has been made about the war, and that there are probably more people willing to stick needles in their eyes than those who support Dick Cheney.
Ned needs to frame this not as Ned v. Joe, but as good policy v. bad policy, and the voters need to choose whether they want to stick with a failed policy that is sending more and more of our kids to die, weakening our overall military strength, depleting our financial resources and human assets in the war on terror, trashing our reputation around the world and making us less effective in global diplomacy…or do they want to go down a new and better road. The “course” we are on is one that is not turning the corner, but circling the drain.
Sorry for the rant - I just have no tolerance anymore for idiocy.
Anyone who does not recall or who wants to see the face of the anti-war movement from the point of view of Winter Soldiers should get a copy of “Up the River.” A historical moment that really had impact. And it does give cred to Kerry. He totally deserves it for this, IMO.
FYI - I tried FDL out in IE 7 beta 2 and was able to use all the same functions except I could not edit. The link was viewable but it did not work.
Cujo359 - I graduated HS in 1969 (yep I am THAT old) and going through my old HS yearbook with my kids…. I started crying…. because that guy was dead…. and so were so many others…
OldTimer: think you are right about the big dog dems needing to boot Joe’s ass out…how do we make this happen? I called my senators and told their people I don’t appreciate having a traitor on all the committees but what else can we do? Am shocked the top guns refuse to slap Joe down. By the way: Jane is not holding a severed leg! This photo means she has agility and is young enough to do that while not being a ballet dancer. Bravo Jane. (so jealous)
Valley Girl –
The graphic didn’t cost Ned Lamont any votes directly — but it did hurt, in that it allowed HoJo to get some traction at time when he was circling the drain.
Same thing with the bogus website hacking — it gave Lying Joe Lieberman the chance to make like a howler monkey, and that may have swayed some undecideds.
Politics is about momentum, and we need to be careful not to give our opponents anything that can turn into momentum against our champions.
Speaking of which — let’s look for issues that might blow up in HoJo’s face:
* TPM Cafe had a post on HoJo underhanded use of his charity. Is there anything to this story?
* The bogus website hacking story — was it really hacked by someone inside the Lieberman campaign, or was it just another example of Joe Lieberman’s incompetence?
* What other issues are out there, that will do to Joe Lieberman what Dorothy did to the Wicked Witch by throwing water on her?
People can bitch about Kerry and god knows I’m one. But I’ll take any excellence and truth from anyone anywhere. Thanks John.
Maybe Kerry’s ready to join Al in the Former Hesitant Pussy Presidential Candidates Now Kicking Ass Club.
spiderpaws @ 68
This needs to be a blast, coordinated effort between ALL the blogs and progressive groups. Have it out on Air America to call, fax, and/or email. We need to shut down the Senate phone/email system letting them know how we feel.
What is the use of having a Party when you do not need to follow the rules?
Cozumel at 20 — sorry, hadn’t seen your link. That’s what I saw earlier. Compare your version of that story with this one:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/200.....erman_dc_2
Similar Reuters story, but the paras on Lamont response are gone.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 5:45 pm (#64) - I don’t use Windows, so I can’t speak for how well integrated Firefox is relative to IE on that platform. It’s possible that some things, particularly Active-X controls, won’t work as well. Most Internet sites aren’t stupid enough to use those, but that’s a potential downside.
The other downside is that you will, occasionally, encounter websites that just don’t work particularly well with Firefox. These sites probably use Microsoft or Windows-only tools to build their sites, and don’t care about the other 20 percent of us. But, for those you can still use IE, I suppose.
Valley Girl @ 43,
Feh. That was such a tempest in a teapot. The only ones who even knew that was going on were online people and maybe the most attentive cable news viewers. Hardly a huge voting bloc in Connecticut.
I think the breathless coverage of Lieberman’s baseless “Lamont hacking” charges on the day of the primary were very damaging, and it was unbelievably irresponsible of the so-called journalists to even cover that. Whether a Rove ploy or not, corporate media did their damnedest to submarine Lamont on primary day.
Has The Swiftboating Of John Kerry Version 2.0 started yet? I hope he is better prepared to deal with it this time. I expect to see Cheney saying that Kerry is helping the terrorists, and all the right wing coyotes to howl with approval…
Hey, Selise, zennurse — As a Swedish fighter once said, I got “tunder ‘n lightnin’” by me; houz by you?
Sack, loot, pillage, burn
We can’t let our fortunes turn
Karl, Karl, don’t be slow
We need to elect Trojan Joe!
YaaaaaaaAAAAY TEAM!
;>)
Spiny #9 — Joe Lieberman, for all intents and purposes, IS the Republican candidate.
I had hoped while I was away this weekend that documentation supporting this would get published (particularly in light of the DNC mini-convention this weekend so that all delegates could discuss this issue).
The data is out there. People have it. I can’t say any more without violating an NDA. I hope that my colleagues can get to it SOON.
The other major challenge to which we should be putting the screws is Lieberman’s last minute campaign donations. I read PDF files that have been filed; there are numerous contributions that are highly suspect. There are a number that appear to exceed BCRA’s limit of $2100 per individual for this election cycle; need clarification on how the so-called “millionaire’s amendment” to BCRA affects Lieberman as it may mean some of these large donations are legal. Some are clearly questionable, like one individual’s contribution of $14,700.
There are quite a few members of the same family making donations of $2100 each - but it is not clear whether these persons are parents and adult children in the same household (legal) or parents and minor children (illegal).
Unfortunately, I’m swamped, under the gun to make a deadline for work, can’t research.
Anybody interested in combing through this? I hope so.
oklahoma kiddo - the only downside I have had since switching to firefox is that I can’t play yahoo games on it. If I must play them, I just open up explorer (and then run a spyware sweep).
Oklahoma kiddo @ 64
The one disadvantage of Firefox — once I’ve posted, the spacebar as page advance tool is shifted to a page refresh. The page advance function can be restored (sometimes) with an F5 refresh — but the F5 often demands that I activate other tabs before it will allow the current page to fully reload. grrr . . .
The tabbed page and edit function have led me to use Firefox for FDL; other than that, I prefer IE6.
Cujo359 @ 74
FYI - AOL via the web does not have all the functions in firefox. XM radio website does not work in Firefox. Some banking and financial websites do not work either. But I use firefox for 95% of my browser use.
darkblack you have outdone yourself, which is saying something
*still laughing*
scarecrow @ 73
Strange!
Kerry took a big step towards rebuilding his bridges today.
I think the next time one of these chickenhawks starts squawking about Kerry or Murtha or any of the others who actually served their country voluntarily, the response should be: “I’m sorry - your military experience was what, again?” And just keep asking it, until they STFU.
Cujo359 @ 74
Good info. Thx.
Liebermutant is a Rethuglican and those in the Democratic party who do not come straight out and denounce him are the same. Period.
There is no parsing of positions skillful enough to gloss over this utterly obvious political reality.
I have been convinced for some time now that creatures like Liebermutant are a litmus test of loyalty to democratic principles. Any one wishing to be considered a Democratic from here on out had better denounce HolyHoJo in no uncertain terms.
It literally will define the Democrats from the Rethugs.
Where is Hillary in all this? Where is Bill?
Tossing a bone to Lamont from her campaign funds is simply not good enough. The Clintons need to put their mouth where their money is.
Each day they fail to speak up, their stock drops in my book. This is not even a close moral call.
At least Kerry finally took a whiff of the Java.
This is literally a defining moment in history.
You are either with us or against us, this is NOT nuance
IE7 beta 2 has the tabbed functionality that firebox has. Again, I really like the ability to configure Firefox to delete cookies and clear cache when you close the window which is a BIG security help. When I do my banking on line I use a separate window and then close it down so that the cookies and cache has been cleared without having to do it manually each time.
I am not in CT, but I frankly do not believe that the hacking thing was significant in the race. Honestly, how many people were desperate to use the internet the day of the voting, what for?
How many voters seriously grok to a problem with hacking enough to change their vote? Maybe PO’d HoJo voters. But if I had been on the fence and I heard a site got hacked, I think it would make me vote for the hacked, so I would say worked to HoJo’s advantage.
Firefox is much less susceptible to malicious software attacks such as viruses and other nasties!
http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/
Rayne - I’ve gone through the PDFs that were available through last Friday, and there are some donors who are so far over the limit that it isn’t funny. Will send it, Excel 95 format. (Oh, yes: Joe’s people sent one set of pages twice!)
VG at 43. Just one example of why I respect you so.
-ck- @ 81
Thank you…
Sen. Chris Dodd (D-Conn.) needs to host a fundraiser for Lamont, featuring Hillary and Bill Clinton as guests of honor. That would send the right signal to the foot-dragging Senate Democrats who haven’t given their full support to the Democratic nominee in Connecticut.
It’s time for all good Democrats to stand up and oppose the “Lieberman for Lieberman” Connecticut Party of One candidate (who is actually a Republican).
puppethead- thanks- I was only going by comments that I have read since at FDL. I was in CT at the time, and didn’t have reliable online access- so the whole episode was not something that even registered back then. But, I didn’t like the idea of Jane being bashed here. As for the “hack R Us” thing- I would really like to know what the latest is on that- not top of my list- but it did seem to be another Lieberman dirty trick/ misinfo campaign.
Old farmhand guy I conversed with today while seeing the goats - had a very interesting life in military, intelligence, cap hill - considers himself a republican but so despises bushco wants to leave the country.
someone probably already said this, but if JL’s criticism of Rummy is that he didn’t send enough troops, then we might want to urge journalists to ask JL if he believes that the President, once he fires Rummy, should send even more troops to Iraq?
What is his position wrt to adding as many troops as it takes to restore order in Baghdad — e.g., how about the 500,000 troops he had in S. Vietnam, along the with 1 millions ARVN. How many should we have sent to Iraq back when, and how many should we have there now? And for how long? Is the President being a wimp by not sending more now? Is he endangering our mission [accomplished]?
astralplame @ 80
Thanks…
*ilson, you also have performed extraordinarily well, for which I am eternally grateful. I name you, “Foucaultian Panopticon”
katymine @ 5:57 pm (#88) - If you have the new Firefox, (1.5.0 or later) you can delete that data without closing the window. Just use Tools/Clear Private Data. Choose the kind of data you want to remove (for me, that’s usually everything but download history). I always set up FF to expire cookies at the end of a session anyway, just to be safe. That plus the NoScript extension make it pretty safe to use, IMHO.
…I agree, Hillary’s check was a bone. Seems they are all afraid of something like maybe Joe knows all their dirty senate secrets.
oh geez imm- you are too kind, but thanks. I have to sign off right now, so all further responses will be in dream limbo. xxoo
Hillary’s check was a start. She–and Bill–need to get more actively involved. John Kerry has set the standard for what all national Democrats should be doing.
Peter Daou, are you lurking out there? Can you hear me?
Sharkbabe @ 6:00 pm (#96) - Get him to start taking over the Republican party. It’s hard to imagine it being in worse hands than the ones it’s in now.
I thought Kerry was a great presidential candidate. Far from perfect, but under normal circumstances he ran a good campaign. And, having seen him at a rally, I found him quite inspiring. Democrats should feel good about him representing the party.
Having said that, there are still too many in the party structure who do not understand what they’re up against. Kerry’s campaign suffered from that. The GOP is interested in holding onto power, at any cost. They don’t care about democracy. They want to control this country.
Oklahoma kiddo at 5:45 pm - I’ve yet to find a downside to using Firefox, other than the very minor quibbles already noted. It’s fast, stable and more secure than IE. It’s also a small d/l and a fairly clean install. Can’t imagine going back.
Btw the goats are cool. I yell Marlon’s name across a big field of grazing goats and he stops and looks up and right at me. (*mom empty nest phone commercial moment*)
P J Evans — oh thank you, thank you, THANK YOU, you were able to look at it!!!!
Yeah. What a crock of crap. Lieberman may come out and say that the donations that are over the limits will be refunded, but they used it as seed corn and chum. Seed corn for the new CFL organization, and chum to draw in the Repug money.
One of the things I have discovered as a newbie grassroots activist is that one MUST have money on hand in quantity to attract other money. Lieberman has it, but in the form of all those late, last-minute donations from people that could have been Democratic supporters, and is now using it to attract Republican money.
Lieberman’s campaign should have rejected any donations on the spot that were not in compliance. The other nasty issue at hand here is playing the float; if Lieberman’s campaign accepted donations over the limit then returned the excess, how much interest could they have made on the money while they had it in hand, especially if we’re talking big money? Depends on how long they hang on to the money, yes?
Grrrr…
*ilson46201 @ 91
critical info. thanks…
Well, since he’s Karl Rove’s lover, why would he not have all necessary dirt?
scarecrow - don’t know the swedish fighter you’re referring to… but here we have “tunder ‘n lightnin’” … and rain
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Humbly requesting recommends at my second kos entry, ha, thot it was my first but apparently the whole create false evidence for bombing Iran was the first.
If you feel so inclined to help a newbie with a recommend: