Here’s the Sunday Show line-up: (via WaPo)
Fox News Sunday: A panel discussion on airport security, plus interviews with Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-Neb.) about GOP campaign strategy and Mark Lerner about baseball in Washington.
This Week (ABC): interviews Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) on the Lebanon cease-fire, holds a panel discussion on the Mideast, and interviews director Spike Lee about his Hurricane Katrina documentary.
The Chris Matthews Show: Dan Rather, NBC’s Andrea Mitchell, the BBC’s Katty Kay and the New York Times’ Mark Mazetti assess President Bush’s resolve on Iraq, and Iraq as an issue in the Connecticut Senate race.
Reliable Sources (CNN): discusses the JonBenet Ramsey case, the Mideast crisis, remarks by Sen. George Allen (R-Va.), and Tony Kornheiser’s "Monday Night Football" debut (CNN 10:00 a.m.).
Meet the Press (NBC): Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) discusses politics and the Iraq war; plus a panel discussion on Iraq with the Wall Street Journal’s John Harwood, retired Gen. Barry McCaffrey and national security affairs professor Vali Nasr.
Face the Nation (CBS): Sen. Joe Lieberman (D-Conn.) and the Washington Post’s Jim VandeHei discuss Iraq, terrorism and politics.
Late Edition With Wolf Blitzer (CNN): interviews Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) and Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) on the Mideast crisis, Iraq and the war on terrorism (CNN at 11 a.m.).
Q&A (C-Span): With Jihad Watch Director Robert Spencer (C-SPAN at 8 and 11 p.m.).
Well…that could be…interesting…at times. Although Face the Nation looks like quite the whiny wanker festivus, doesn’t it?
Reader Sharon sent me this peaceful shot of a heron flying over Lake Michigan. I’ve been trying to pin down just what sort of heron this is — it looks quite a bit like a Great Blue, but I’m just not positive. Anyone else want to take a stab at identification on this one?
The beautiful water, stretching out across the lake, with the sailboats in the back right just spoke to a sense of calm that I thought we would all find useful this morning. The peanut has been running a fever since yesterday, and my momma duties are pretty substantial at the moment as we try and figure out what’s going on with her. So my apologies in advance if I am less-than-attentive here. My child comes first, and I’m sure you guys understand.
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FITZ!!1!
Roots! Christy! The birds is coming!
Christy,
Thanks for the compliments on our garden yesterday morning. I forgot to mention the burdock root, which we’re growing foer the first time. Next saturday.
Although, if the temp keeps dropping, I’m going to have to dig up bushels and bushels of stuff today.
Face The Nation (CBS): Sen. Joe Lieberman will discuss how they’re all his marbles, and that he’s prepared to go home with them if those kids continue to be mean.
I’m so glad to see John McCain on MTP; I haven’t seen him in almost 36 hours. I was getting the DTs waiting for another fix.
Get well peanut
Why aren’t the talking heads discussing this?
As a chocolatier to the rich and famous, Martucci Angiano has posed with many celebrities — but on Thursday she held in her hand a figure that dazzles her more than any Hollywood star.
Workers at Angiano’s gourmet chocolate company, Bodega Chocolates, discovered under a vat a 2-inch-tall column of chocolate drippings that they believe bears a striking resemblance to the Virgin Mary.
Since the discovery Monday, Angiano’s employees have spent much of their time hovering over the tiny figure, praying and placing rose petals and candles around it.
“I was raised to believe in the Virgin Mary, but this still gives me the chills,” Angiano said as she balanced the dark brown figure in her hand. “Everyone should see this.”
Echoing Sharkbabe!
I wonder why CBS put that D next to Liebermans name? Clearly must be a typo, because CT law states that Independents cannot use other party affiliations while campaigning. Besides, he clearly is not a Democrat.
Okay mighty FDLers, I’ve gone and done something kinda edgy, which I promised I’d do in these very forums (probably unpopular, but hey it’s the weekend); I wrote a post entitled ”Blackface Joe: Five Grievances”. The opening follows; blogwhoring not allowed:
Peace.
Kai @ 10
Way to do the right’s work for them, Kai.
Is there anyone who doesn’t believe that McCain will be shocked, SHOCKED to find out that GAMBLING has been occurring in Schlesinger’s past and will use that disavow his previous endorsement and give a non-endorsement endorsement to Ol’ Joe.
I have absolutely no info to back this up, but then again, I never know how my choices are gonna run at Belmont until they do. I’m just saying that this should not be something that “no one could have anticipated”.
And I would absolutely love to be wrong.
I was just watching CNN, and the anchor was expressing surprise that the Boulder DA has been upset with the media’s obsession with the JonBenet case. Uhm, duh?
I’m glad to see it doesn’t appear on the list here, with the one exception of CNN. The fact that it’s getting anywhere near the coverage it is is saddening.
David Gregory on MTP: “Today we have an EXCLUSIVE interview with AZ Senator John McCain.” BWAHAHA
op99 @ 10
Thanks. Like anyone, I can speak “sarcasm” too, though probably not as well as you.
Kai,
are you a Bill Clinton, or Al Sharpton Democrat, or a Lee Atwater Republican?
Oilfieldguy @ 15
Al Sharpton Democrat.
Delurking to bird spot….looks like a “Great Blue” to me. We occasionally have them in our back yards here at the apartments I live in. There’s a state park very near here and they hang around there quite a bit and there are actually reports of nesting! I live about 35 miles from the lake. There’s a heron nesting rookery at Indina Dunes National Lakeshore. I’m headed to the lake this afternoon. Tis’ beautiful! Where are you located, Sharon?
Kai, what does this mean?
“The last thing that rubbed me the wrong way about the whole Blackface Joe episode was the cavalier lack of contrition from its originators. I don’t for a moment believe that either Jane Hamsher or darkblack are racists; I’m just pissed that they don’t get what’s so wrong about what they did. Jane’s apology came straight out of the “asshole boyfriend non-apology” book of patronizing dismissals: “I apologize that you’re upset, though if you’re upset you’re probably my political enemy”. Wow, that brush-off makes Arianna’s Clooney-triggered soul-searching look positively spiritual.”
Kai, don’t get me wrong. We want to grow here.
So, is it okay to like Fat Albert?
Kai, your essay isn’t so much edgy as annoying. The use of the graphic was not well-received on this blog and was removed, followed by an apology. The right used it as cover, and lately we’ve gotten “macaca” and “blacks can’t swim.”
Your contribution to the dialogue is a day late and a dollar short, and approaches concern troll.
I do not want to reopen the graphic kerfuffle here again today except to say the reaction in here was an instantateous firestorm against that posting in HuffPo — it only stayed up so long because Jane was out of communication temporarily. I even tried to hack into the server to take it down rightaway.
I’m unfamiliar with Kai, gang, so tell Teller – did I feed a t…..?
op99 and ofg, I disagree with you, and Kai, and thank you.
The upside just doesn’t live up to the downside.
This was what set my hair on fire when I opened HufPo that day, and I think Kai’s discussion is valid to the last word. If that puts me in the FDL Miscreants corner with Kai, well, we may get more crowded over there than some of you suspect . . .
Okay — my child is sick this morning. I check in for a sec and find Family Feud getting started. I’m calling a halt to it right now. (1) Criticism can be useful, if it is well intentioned and meant to be constructive. (2) Kai, not as well-timed as it could have been, given that the whole issue has died out now and we’ve moved on to campaign issues instead of mistakes and distractions. (3) Bashing other readers in the comments on Jane’s bahalf, while noble and loyal, is non-productive and leads to an all-out flame war — FOR WHICH I DO NOT HAVE TIME TODAY. Aside from the fact that both Jane and I are big girls. So everyone, can it.
And I mean it. I’ve gotten 3 hours of sleep total in the last 24 hours. The Republicans are bad enough without a war starting amongst ourselves. Reasonable people can disagree. Let’s leave it at that, please, because I don’t have time to run around this morning knocking respective chips off everyone’s shoulders. Capice? (Have compassion for the exhausted and worried mom who is going back to what is really important — her feverish, sick little girlie.)
(Sorry, Christy, just gotta correct my typo and I’ll hush)
and Kai, I thank you.
FOR WHICH I DO NOT HAVE TIME TODAY. Aside from the fact that both Jane and I are big girls. So everyone, can it.
And I mean it. I’ve gotten 3 hours of sleep total in the last 24 hours.
Bossy-boots.
Kai is no concern troll or Republican … she is a Connecticut activist and strong Lamont supporter.
I’ve worked for years in Black politics — I’ve learned it’s important to listen to concerns about racism from serious people of color — it’s particularly bad to belittle these concerns !
Ed*ard Teller @ 18
Ed*ard Teller: Thanks for asking. It just means that the overall structure of Jane’s “apology” follows a well-trodden political pattern of “non-apology apologies”. Rather than saying “sorry I did that”, you say “sorry you’re mad I did that”. As a previous poster pointed out, Allen didn’t say “sorry I called you ‘macaca’”, he said only, “sorry if my wholy innocent language offended anybody”. It actually demonstrates a total lack of contrition, masked behind the language of apology. That’s all I meant, nothing too fancy.
Of course, for all I know, Jane’s wording came from the Lamont campaign, so forgive me if I’ve assumed too much. In any case I hope to trigger some consideration.
Peace.
rorschach at 26 — If I could figure out how to do an emoticon that sticks its tongue out and goes “Tbbbbb,” you’d be getting one. *g*
“Capice?” Yo, MAMA!!! take care of the kid.
I hope the peanut gets better.
Thanks you *ilson at 27 — and I appreciate you being on duty this mornign as well. Sorry it’s going to be one of those in and out days for me — can’t be helped. Appreciate everyone’s patience, but I’m sure you understand.
rorschach at 26 — If I could figure out how to do an emoticon that sticks its tongue out and goes “Tbbbbb,” you’d be getting one. *g*
Hee!
All my good vibes to the health of your kid, darlin’.
Kai said:
“In any case I hope to trigger some consideration. Peace.”
OK. Thanks.
Christy, Hope you feel better (Here’s a mug of Kona) Hope the Peanut feels better. And here’s a quote from a Republican President from a little ways back that I wish the current one would pay attention to.
Kai, good analysis. And op99, respectfully disagree – that image is what did the right’s work for them. It was a significant and damaging gaffe.
Darkblack and Jane, both brilliant communicators, misstepped on that one, acknowledged it, and we’ve all moved on. But I don’t think it hurts to look deeper at the why. Did anybody see Spike Lee’s movie Bamboozled about racist imagery? What a mess, but in spite of it, one of the most interesting movies ever.
tommy yum @ 19
Fair enough.
Edward Teller, no, Kai is not a troll.
Like you, however, I found that old comment about the photo seriously inadequate.
Kai, I’d strongly urge you to go back and read darkblack’s comments when it broke.
The DNC seems bent about the ‘08 primaries…
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2….._0819.html
…but its still OK for DEMs to back Joe (R-CT)…WTF?
Thanks for the info, everybody. Especially *ilson whom I trust implicitly. Perhaps that scab should be picked at another time in another place.
Yeah, let’s get back to birds…it’s Sunday you knuckleheads!
About to get light outside. 36 degrees – I may not lose to an early frost after all. But two trees went down, so I’m logging out……
It’s gotta be a great blue, what else has that wingspan? 6 feet, nothing else really compares…
I’m hopeful this morning because I just spotted a Bullock’s Oriole at my hummingbird feeder yesterday. Hoping he sticks around. Our numbers in sunny CA are dropping every year, so its exciting. The silly chickadees are watching him at the nectar feedar and saying, hey why don’t WE try that. Now I have chickadee teenagers all over the hummingbird feeder.
Copycats.
I agree with Christy and Hoosierville@18 on the bird identification. The only waterbird that comes close to the great blue heron is the little blue heron, and although it’s hard to make out the details like beak color, the size is usually the give-away. As a special bonus, here’s a link to where you can hear the primeval sounds of the great blue.
Okay, science lesson over. As Atrios would say, here’s to ”documenting the atrocities” on the talking heads this morning. Christy, while I don’t know you personally, I certainly hope your daughter gets well soon.
lotus @ 24
Thanks, lotus. I know we’ve pretty much been on the same page on this issue from the get-go. I know the timing’s bad, but frankly I’d rather do this on a sleepy Sunday morning than on a bustling weekday. Namaste.
I know and care nothing about ornithology — yesterday I was out-and-about and spotted a small brown bird hopping around — I felt so disappointed it wasn’t a Golden Lyre bird or something remarkable I could enthuse about at FDL … oh well
South of DC on the GW Parkway a while back, a Great Blue sailed past my windshield about two feet away. It was quite stunning and unforgettable.
Definitely a Great B up top.
Oh, one more thing, because I’m tired and edgy this morning and I want to be sure it didn’t read this way — I’m not brushing off the concerns you raise, Kai, not at all. I just don’t have the time to monitor a protracted flame battle in the comments this morning, and for that I apologize. Because I do think that criticism is valuable and discussion on race issues needs to happen more openly and honestly — we don’t do it nearly enough in our culture. My roommate in college (who was a very opinionated, strong black woman from the NYC area) and I had some incredible discussions about a wide range of issues she and I had both dealt with growing up — and it made us both the stronger for it. A human face on this issue is always, ALWAYS helpful.
But I simply cannot do it this morning due to family issues, and for that I apologize — I just want to be sure that you or anyone else doesn’t feel like I’m blowing this off. Because I am most decidedly not — let’s just consider this deferred for the moment. And if someone has an idea for a good start on a discussion that would be pro-active and productive, e-mail me and we’ll talk about getting something going when I’ve got time to read e-mail in the next coupla days.
Just wanted to point out a guest blog at Howard-Empowered People that you might be interested in…
Click here for more
John Casper @ 37
Thanks, John Casper, for confirming my dubious blog commentator cred. As you suggest, I will go back and read darkblack’s comments, and I’ll update my comments with any additional insights. I’m not trying to start a fight here, just speaking honestly.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 46
I feel ya. No worries about flame wars involving me are necessary. I wouldn’t have taken it as a dismissal anyway, but thanks for the word of explanation.
If you don’t like the Constitution…change it:
http://news.enquirer.com/apps/…../308180009
1. Kai, I respect your opinion.
2. Jane filed a retraction and an apology, and that should have been the end of it.
3. It’s a great blue heron.
Oh, and it would probably help if I put the e-mail addy in for you guys, wouldn’t it? SIGH My brain is a little too mushy this morning due to lack of sleep.
ReddHedd@firedoglake.com
My FDL addy is working again (thanks, Jamie! thanks, John!), so you can use the “contact us” button and the top and be assured that I’ll actually get my e-mails now. :)
What Redd sedd 48.
Lot of good stuff over at Left Coaster yesterday.
Namaste to you too, Kai, and FEEL BETTER SOON to Our Fi (too much poodle-wrangling, maybe?).
Re little girl with fever: I found that children’s ibuprofin will keep a fever down better and longer than tylenol.
I dont want to keep the pot bubbling but Kai and others know by now how defensive well-meaning white folk get when accusations of racial insensitivity get raised. It doesnt bother hardcore cracker peckerwoods.
Are the spiders gone?
I’m done, but wanted to apologize to you, kai, for my tone.
Gang, I’m gonna work up a “post” about some local political stuff that’s been happening that I think y’all might find interesting.
Thanks very much Kai.
I should have stated my position more diplomatically than I did, thanks for understanding.
I am in favor of somekind of acknowledgement and repayment of The Debt to the descendents of the slaves for the wages their ancestors never received. Restitution for the legalized white supremacy after 1865, the lynchings, and the Jim Crow laws is a difficult question and a separate one. I am also not waiting for Ned to come out in support of these, it’s close to political suicide.
It might be most prudent, however, to wait until after November 7 for any further discussion at FDL, jmo.
Betcha them spideys done boogied, TRex, so come on in and set yo’self down. What kin I pour ya?
Whatever tommy’s cookin’ sure smells promisin’, dunnit . . .
I love Christy’s weekend am threads because they get back to elemental things and our relationships thereto. Let’s try to keep em the weird unique sacred space they are.
(Except for the Sunday Talking Head aspect – which to me is one big fucking ignorable joke anyway, as is all television brainwash machine)
Be afraid…very afraid:
http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/1gm…..r_374.html
or not:
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2….._0819.html
No TV at my house. Ahhhhh. I’ve got coffee and iTunes on random.
Current song: “Scarlet’s Walk” by Tori Amos
No TV at my house.
That would explain your unending wit, brilliance, engagedness, and evolvedness.
Just had this quicky email from Our Hopie — hope she won’t mind my sharing it:
yesterday I was running with my Congresslady taking photos — I was told the first stop was with the Indians over at Military Park — I was so excited about the prospects of feathered head-dresses and other Native American paraphenalia. It turned out it was a festival for Indians from India! Folk were indeed wearing colorful garb but not American aboriginal. Good curry was sold!
As a Hoosier, I have long been bothered we have no recognized Native American tribes or reservations in this state — somehow I felt comforted that we have a real Indian community here!
Sharkbabe @ 66
I just can’t stand the goddamn noise the things make. Jesus. FLASH!! FLASH!! BUY!! BUY, BUY, BUUUUYYYYY!! FEAR!! SEX!! BUY MORE NOW!!
Fuck that.
is it just me, or did the refresh button go away? i’m on a loaned computer running an older OS so i’m not sure if it’s me or a change in the site.
Oilfieldguy @
9
I’m not getting off this hobbyhorse. He is also not an Independent. The Independent candidate is named John Mertens. The only affiliation reference that should be used wrt Lieberman is Connecticut for Lieberman.
Why does McCain get so much 1:1 time on MTP? He’s soooooooo wishy washy.
I was so excited about the prospects of feathered head-dresses and other Native American paraphenalia.
It’s a bit racist to think that all native Americans have “feathered head-dresses,” and rather exploitive to look forward to their “paraphenalia” [sic].
Just sayin’.
A thousand times yep
I just can’t stand the goddamn noise the things make. Jesus. FLASH!! FLASH!! BUY!! BUY, BUY, BUUUUYYYYY!! FEAR!! SEX!! BUY MORE NOW!!
Fuck that.
Campaign Promise: Elect me Empress, and whoever came up with the Mute button gets a quick Nobel PEACE Prize!
right there with you, trex. my roomies pay for cable, but i honestly don’t understand why any right thinking progressive would, given how much the bobbleheads and networks in general have done to destroy this country and enable bush. anti-tv rants are one of my favorite soapboxes to stand upon.
rorschach @
73
I have specific instructions from Christy to start breakin’ heads if it heats up in here again.
Just sayin’.
rorschach @ 71
I agree … I was being selfish in wanting ‘exotic’ photos
Disgrace The Nation (CBS): Sen. Joe Leaverman will break down once again, shedding more crocodile tears. Boo-hoo! Those meanies are out to get me!
John Casper @ 59
Agreed.
True, it might make political sense to keep a lid on this stuff for the time being. But on the other hand, there’s no convenient time for speaking your truth to those who find it uncomfortable, is there? Plus, if we leave this issue unexamined, we could experience another gaffe between now and November that could be potentially worse than the one I’m examining… frankly I’d been urging Jane et al to refrain from racial crowing in the days leading up to The Graphic, and my feeling now is that if enough of us had spoken up, it might never have happened…
Beth – the MSM’s been trying to make McCain the new chimp ™ for years. It’s not working but they don’t know what else to do.
God but for a tsunami to blow away this entire edifice of bullshit and well-fed liars and HORSESHIT.
Going to visit my goats today. Will report.
Do you guys think Ken Lay offed himself?
Chidy 70, have you refreshed the browser? If so, and you still don’t get RefCom, I’m outta idears.
TRex @ 58
Yes indeed Trex, I moved them to the other room where they wouldn’t get squoooshed by accident.
And yes, that pretty much has to be a Great Blue.
How about LIEBERMAN for LIEBERMAN or LIEberman (L-CT)?
BTW Matt Stoller has a thoughtful piece up at MyDD on ‘dismantling the Liebermachine’
I don’t think Ken Lay is even dead. Seriously I don’t.
Speaking of talking heads… http://mediamatters.org/items/200608180005
…more like a talking ass!
Kai @ 80
WE ARE GOING TO LEAVE THAT ISSUE UNEXAMINED FOR THE REST OF THE DAY, THOUGH. KEEP IT UP AND YOUR COMMENTS WILL GO STRAIGHT IN THE CRAPPER.
IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT ANY MORE, EMAIL YOUR COMPLAINTS AND SUGGESTIONS TO JANE AND DARKBLACK.
DO NOT PRESS ME. I’M THE NOT NICE MODERATOR.
lotus@83- i think it’s just this browser. it’s really old and other funky stuff keeps happening. i hate using strange computers.
trex@82- no.
I have specific instructions from Christy to start breakin’ heads if it heats up in here again.
Just sayin’.
Scary, that.
I agree … I was being selfish in wanting ‘exotic’ photos
No worries. Having lived down in NM for a while, and being married to a Native American lit scholar, I just am a bit sensitive to such things…
rorschach@7 said: Workers at Angiano’s gourmet chocolate company, Bodega Chocolates, discovered under a vat a 2-inch-tall column of chocolate drippings that they believe bears a striking resemblance to the Virgin Mary.
SNIP
You are not going to believe this guys. I am still shaking! I just got back from the local flea market and I found an eggplant that resembles Ned Lamont! I hope the paparazzi can’t tell where I live…..Yikes!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/9…..219937591/
This “back door draft” that the Bush characters are using is outrageous. It’s just another example of how cowardly and double dealing this administration is. These guys know full well if the children of their supporters were subject to a real draft, that would halt their twisted and perverted war adventures. If John McCain was as heroic as he wants us to believe, he would say something along the lines of ’since I love the Bush war so much, bring back the draft’ so we can get enough bodies to supply the Bush beasts in their relentless and seemingly unquenchable thirst for spilled blood in Iraq, and who knows where else that these guys have in mind.
Ken Lay is on the beach at St. Tropez playing Uno with Osama Bin Laden.
Ken Lay is on the beach at St. Tropez playing Uno with Osama Bin Laden.
Also Elvis. And William S Burroughs. They never die.
Okla. K. at 92:
70 percent of active military families voted to reelect GWB in 2004. I wonder if it would be the same if the election were held today? I wonder what the midterm numbers will look like in that demographic?
Osama winters in St. Moritz. Ken doesn’t ski, however.
Well, I’ve never been accused of imagination, but I’d bet every cent I lost on Enron that Ken Lay had a heart attack and then got cremated. And that Bernie Ebbers may come to envy same (if he hasn’t already) . . .
Lake MI is a major flyway for southern migration. For up close view of LOTS of cranes (mostly sandhill) go to Jasper-Pulaski, just South of Lake MI in Indiana. Best viewing is just before dark. Best time is Fall.
http://www.in.gov/dnr/fishwild…..cranes.htm
lina 96: i’m hearing that the military is filled with bush haters these days. it’s so hard to tell for sure, and i’m sure lots of military families will vote rethug this fall for social/religious reasons, but i have to believe that the clusterphuque that is iraq and all that goes with it has to have had some impact on military willingness to support the liar in chief.
dave and zzzzzzzzzzzzz in the house!
mwah!!
bakho, we love it when the sandhills get here to cental Florida to visit us. Suckers nilly as tall as I am!
FWIW, I suspect
have absolutely no evidence or linksthat Rove and Joe have been offering Russert anything he wants for a chance to be on MTP. The fact that Tim hasn’t him on lately imo speaks well for pumpkinhead.The other option is that Joe saw what Timmeh did to Joshua Bolton (Bush’s CoS) and decided he didn’t want to face the kinds of questions Timmeh is asking.
OT: Josh Marshall comes out of vacation or wherever he is to try to rescue his blog from the brink:
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.c…..009476.php
central Florida
Preview is my frien’
Preview is my frien’
Preview is my frien’
Good morning. Sorry I missed the Sat. morning gardening/food threads but grandchild’s 13th birthday party to attend were keeping me busy.
But I admit, today, that I was forced to kill, by way of extreme insecticide, a nest of paper wasps. My research showed they were were good for gardens as they eat many unwanted pests. Unfortunately for them, and me, they decided to build their next on the door frame just inside the doors to my shed. After one grandchild and myself got stung, they had to go.
Research also found out that only 10-30 paper wasps are in a nest except for when all the babies are hatched and then 100 wasps fly out and all build new nests next year. Interesting huh?
Also, why are they called paper wasps? Because they chew wood shavings and dust and make ‘paper’ to build their nests. This morning I took the nest down and reclaimed my tool shed but with some sadness. So, I will have to make my amends to nature in the near future.
Politically, I am worried by Joe winning in CT, worried about voting machines, worried about Coleen Rawley here in MN because she is getting little attention nationwide, but on the upside, Klobachar is beating the heck out of Kennedy (the slimeball) and he is getting anxious. He has ads all over.
TRex @ 82
Yup. From the moment I heard the story, I swear to God that I turned to my colleague and said that he did the deed so the family gets the money.
Okay, I’ve got the kids, so brevity is my goal.
I live in Chatham county, NC. It’s a large (and largely agrarian) county, proximate to Chapel Hill and Research Triangle Park. For the past several years, it has been a sad microcosm of national politics. It started when Gary Phillips, a highly effective commissioner, was replaced by Bunkey Morgan in 2002. Morgan, a wealthy businessman who lives outside of the county, had tried to run as a Republican the previous cycle and lost. He retooled himself as a Dem and claimed residency in a shack outside of Siler City (please deposit all Andy Griffith jokes here). The Chatham County Board of Elections (hereafter CBOE) dismissed legitimate claims of residency and allowed his candidacy. Morgan won, having run a race characterized by divisiveness and ill will. He took enormous amounts of campaign contributions from out of state developers, but withheld disclosure by using his own personal donations as camouflage. There were push polls and glossy fliers, and a full-on culture war.
What followed was four years of uncontrolled growth. The Newlands corporation, from California, set up an office across from the courthouse, and their representative was even allowed a seat with the commissioners! 10,000 homes in new development were approved–more than the combined population of Siler City and Pittsboro combined–with little or no responsibility on the part of the developers to pay for infrastructure.
Bunkey was trounced in the primaries this year, but the mess is extensive and the county is hopelessly overextended.
Despite being comprised mostly of Democrats, the CBOE has made matters worse. They have held secret meetings in which scores of thousands of dollars were allotted for the purchase of black box voting machines–including modems for each, but no printers! They have violated Open Meeting and Public Records laws, at one point claiming that they were not a public body! A lawsuit has been brought, to which I’ve contributed. It has been fast-tracked by the court, and the next hearing is on 9/11.
Bunkey is not going away peacefully. In all probability, the CBOE will pass a resolution on Monday (the last possible date they can) to change Chatham voting procedure to election by district, as opposed to county-wide. This will give Bunkey a “safe” seat, despite his defeat. There are also plans to redistrict Chatham based on the 2000 census, even though one district has more voters than the entire 2000 population, such has been our growth.
So, let me recap: a corporatist shill wins by cheating and then runs up the public credit card. When he loses, he changes the rules to suit him. Meanwhile, the Incumbocrat CBOE ignores the will of the people and trifles with the system, to the detriment of representative democracy.
Sound familiar?
I’m not blegging here, but if you want to shoot a dollar or two to help with litigation, it would be fantastic. I really just want y’all to be aware of what’s going on in this little corner of the 50 state strategy.
Christy 47 and before…
(((((p-e-a-c-e)))))
You go take care of that lil’ peanut.
You’re the absolute best. Thank you for all you do.
We promise to be good.
Always helps if mommy’s calm and soothing when little sweetie’s not feelin’ good.
GOT IT, GUYS?!
2 cents: agreed – Gr. Blue.
*ilson at 27: well said!
HEY *ilson?! at 45
U miss soooo much, being so openly birdie-illiterate!
Open yer lil’ mind to the wonders of our feathered neighbours. Can you soar like that? with yer neck folded in an “S” shape? catch a frog with one stab? while walking in water? swallow it whole? keep it down?
HUH? nyah! nyah! ;->
sh-h-h. gotta keep it down. we don’t want her ta have t’ come down here again, n-uh, UH!?!
roots! fitz! jane! christy!
earth!
hippies!
pach!
goats!
see y’all later
jayackroid said: I’m not getting off this hobbyhorse. He is also not an Independent. The Independent candidate is named John Mertens. The only affiliation reference that should be used wrt Lieberman is Connecticut for Lieberman.
SNIP
So that’s Joe Lieberman (CL). I think I can remember that if I think of crook and liar.
McCain saying on MTP, despite all the errors, “we must prevail.”
#94, 95: Ken Lay is on the beach at St. Tropez playing Uno with Osama Bin Laden.
Also Elvis. And William S Burroughs. They never die.
There’s a movie idea!
Goddamit, I just wrote a detailed post that got eaten. It’ll have to wait.
See yer post, tommy, and fixin’ to savor it!
McCain: “I do not have confidence in Rumsfeld.”
TRex said : DO NOT PRESS ME. I’M THE NOT NICE MODERATOR.
I vacillate between wanting to be called the Stalinist Moderator or the Foucaultian PanOpticon
It sounds to me as though McCain wants to put the Sunni’s back in charge in Iraq.
I vacillate between wanting to be called the Stalinist Moderator or the Foucaultian PanOpticon
Or the Signifant Saussurian or the Untraceable Derridean? Lucky Lucaksian? Generous Gramscian?
John Casper @ 104
I was already mentally voting for option B while still reading option A, lol.
lotus@103
just got back from a project west of Orlando. The area was crazy with sandhill cranes. I’ve never seen so many at one time.
Cripes, tommy, that’s not savory AT ALL!
These supine office-holders everywhere! Hope you guys can bust your crop of ‘em right in the chops! Where do we aim our help?
Generous Gramscian I can live with . . .
And I have no confidence in McCain. “Straight talk express”. What a laugh. I discern no redeeming qualities in McCain whatsoever.
Wow, how many, cleter?
Oh and Kai, BTW, where do you get the fucking nerve jumping Christy’s thread with your bullshit?
Once more and you’re out of here, do I make myself absolutely clear, or do you need 8% of the vote before you understand?
(for those who don’t understand the reference, Kai claimed that 8% of the African American vote was lost in CT due to the blackface incident. Nobody’s statistics back that up and I have asked nicely for substantiating links which have been ignored in favor of thread-jumping. Now I’m asking not-so-nicely. Put up or shut up, Kai, okay?)
CLETER!!!
*big hug*
Aw, shit. Jane Hamsher in full effect. This is where alllll the bullshit stops.
hey rorschach
you left out Giddens and Bourdieu.
I think I’d prefer the panopticon to the Stalinist thing, if we get to vote.
McCain says he is supporting Schlessinger in CT, but calls Lieberman a great American.
Speaking of Birdbrains of Florida …
You’ll want to see the 5 photos here, so I’ll not go straight to the printer-friendly link as usual. This. Is. Just. Sad.
Alligator Bag can’t get no respect no how
dratty @
108
All this is assuming that he is even actually dead, of which I am not convinced.
cleter @ 130
Heidegger, Heidegger was a boozy beggar,
Who was just as sloshed as Schlegel.
There’s nothin’ Nietsche couldn’t teach ya
Bout the raisin’ of the wrist.
Socrates for his part,
Was poimanently pissed…
*crickets*
Hey Kai, Mr. Connecticut Voter Expert, where are you?
Waiting for my link….
cleter @ 128
vote all you wish — it’s who that gets to count the vote that matters!
I’m thinking we should have left Saddam alone. And to have let the people of Iraq decide on their own destiny. Weren’t the Sunni’s Hussein’s guys? God this guy McCain is impossible.
McCain criticizing Anna Diggs Taylor and her decision and her “rhetoric.”
He says we need more than FISA.
“Weren’t the Sunni’s Hussein’s guys?”
Yes.
An awesome new album featuring various country and blue grass artists supports our progressive community and dems running for local offices.
They’re all from Nashville. How it does my heart good!
Give the whole album a listen and then buy it and support our southern dem candidates.
http://musicrowdemocrats.com/mp3s/myWimpy.html
Come on, Kai, here’s your open invitation. A freeby. You can link back to your fine blog and drive traffic to your explosive proof. The world is waiting for your exit polling expertise that nobody else seems to have. Think of the soaring numbers as you blow this pig wide open with your brilliant analysis!
DAMMIT, THEY WILL NOTICE YOU!!! THEY WILL NOT IGNORE YOUR ANY MORE!!! YOU WILL BE ACKNOWLEDGED FOR YOUR UNHERALDED GENIUS!!!
Waiting…
Jane, if someone thinks its true, that makes it true. Lieberwank won the African American vote. Right? Right?
OT – Worth some of your attention Monday and Tuesday:
http://www.hbo.com/docs/progra…..index.html
Remember NOLA!
Jane–
Seems to me you might should oughta calm down a bit.
Hi TRex
I’ve been out in the woods for a few weeks. So, Lieberman gracefully conceded, and Bushco raised the terror alert level from Bert to Elmo because of tainted shampoo. Am I about up to speed on the news now?
Jane, Christy said STFU relatively nicely, but your approach seems to be getting better results.
Hooray for Jane, I’m tired of Kai and all his bullshit, especially the infamous “Blackface” incident. I’m a rabid and loyal FDL reader and I’ve never even seen it – was it even posted here or just over at HuffPost? Maybe it was a mistake, either way it was taken down – nuff said.
It is just a diversion, it’s not like there aren’t about a zillion more important issues. Even when it comes to racism I think that little graphic faux pas kinda pales compared to Felix Allen, Hudson or the comments of the Gorgon herself the Mama Chimp about how much fun those po’ black folk must be having hanging out at the superdome while their homes were destroyed by Katrina.
Jeebus it’s quitet in here.
Doncha love it when people show up and lob grenades then don’t have the nads to stick around and defend it?
Reminds me of something Katie drizzled out of her ass this morning.
Lou Costello @
142
Lou, I wouldn’t say that your comment is off topic at all.
cleter @ 145
Yeah. Just stir in a little JONBENNET!! JONBENNET!! JONBENNET!! ARE PREDATORS TARGETING YOUR CHILDREN?! FEAR!! FEAR!! SEX!! BUY MORE NOOOOOOOOOOWWW!!!
Jane, I doubt Kai’s here right now, but I’m sure feeling a chill. You may be about to ban me, which would break my heart, but I do wish we could discuss this SOMETIME without such a threat hanging over us.
Saddam was a toothless tiger, had been in a box for 12 years, and provided a balance of power in the region against Iran.
Yep, we were better off with Saddam in power. He was a vicious lunatic, but so is Robert Mugabe, and no one’s invaded his country.
God I wish smart people were in charge of foreign policy. Is that too much to ask?
rorschach — does it occur to you that you’re a guest here, this is my blog and you’re telling me to take a Midol on my dime?
‘ear
lotus @ 151
Lotus, I love you, but this bullshit has been discussed to DEATH. If you REALLY want to talk about it, the fine minds over at RedState.org would be more than willing.
The fucking graphic went up. It came down. Apologies were made.
Done.
Over.
Kaput.
What the fuck else is to be said?
rorschach, I’d invite you to seriously consider apologizing to Jane right now for your 7:29.
If you want to raise an issue about content, that’s one thing. If you think anyone on this blog is not sufficiently “calm,” imo, that’s your problem.
I missed the whole blackface incident, whatever it was, and I’m kind of grateful. I’m beginning to sense, as well, that Lieberman did not in fact bow out gracefully. On the plus side, over the last few weeks, I got to see dozens of sandhill cranes. I also pissed off a huge owl. And some wild turkeys.
lotus 150 — we’ve had this conversation before you and I. There comes a point where we’ve asked nicely to keep the comments section clean and not hijack threads and folks ignore it. This didn’t start today with Kai and the situation hasn’t been responsive to polite entreaties. So yes, I do think we’re at that point.
rorschach — does it occur to you that you’re a guest here, this is my blog and you’re telling me to take a Midol on my dime?
I never did. But if that’s how you took it, apologies.
lotus @ 151
lotie, honey, we already did. Now we’re just in pointless scab-picking territory.
um…that looks like a Great Blue heron to me, too. Yes.
Knock, Knock? Coming out from behind a hay bale to whisper “intent, intent, intent”…..
Jane and Christy’s has never, ever ~ been in doubt for me; and hence the power behind their words and actions….hence ~ what FDL has grown to be, and what the people who come here ALSO, with true and honest intent ~ have accomplished.
Healing to the peanut ~ peace upon this hurting earth ~ some honest introspection (and perhaps a bit of indigestion :) for those who are “rightly” picked apart and upon, on this intelligent and rightly activist site.
Cleter, lol.
Raul Gerecht makes me insane with his smarmy neocon con job on This Week.
Fareed Zacharia is a rational man.
Hmmmm…. I’m not impressed at all when Kerry was pressed about Lieberman’s appointments being rescinded if he was elected as an independent. I don’t know why this is the elephant in the room question. You make a decision to run as an independent, you face the consequences of those actions.
So … is my voice outta here, Jane?
If so, I’ll still love reading FDL more than anything I’ve ever found in a lifetime of reading.
Thank you all, Jane and Christy most, but all of you.
I love the phrase “healing to the peanut.”
lina at #151
After a quarter century of ReThuglican rule, starting with the senile ex-B actor, interupted by only the 8 years of Republican lite of Clinton under siege over irrelevancies, I’m suprised that there are any smart people left in what used to be the land of the free. I come to FDL so I can read what some of the remaining smart people have to say.
lina…7:33am
Yes.
There were no WMD’s. A paper tiger indeed. We were lied to. Many people have died. Impeachment. War crimes. Prison.
Sometimes I view those now in charge as ‘too smart by 1/2′. And that may, I hope, be their undoing.
Jeff Huber’s blog has a post about the insanity of Dr. Death Cheney:
http://zenhuber.blogspot.com/
It makes you want to bury your money in a shoebox in the backyard until it’s all over.
The people running our government are completely unhinged.
lotus @ 166
That decision is entirely yours to make, lotus. I think everyone here has made themselves clear. You can flounce off in a huff if you like, but I believe that this topic has been thoroughly exhausted. I’m not clear what it is you want to accomplish here, unless it’s to put the pen in Jane’s hand and push it across the page until your feelings are soothed on the matter.
And I can tell you about how soon that’s going to happen.
Am watching Lieberman on Face the Nation now — what a meltdown. At about 12 min into the interview, look at the sweat collecting on his upper lip! He is in serious trouble trying to keep the lies straight. It is quite a show of an egotistical little man trying so desperately to hold on to power. A transcript will not do this justice.
Coming back after the break to analyze what just happened.
Shouldn’t Christy’s clickable e-mail addy be changed by whoever is moderating to a non-clickable reddhedd-at-firedoglake.com?
Spam.
Great blue. (But you knew that.)
Wonder whether you got the photos I e-mailed you (in a little story), including the trumpeter parents and baby, Christy. You had to scroll to the bottom to see the trumpeters — past the bear, moose, elk, moonset-and-sunrise on the Tetons, and all that.
I’m ecstatic — I just heard that the GOP opponent to my progressive Congresslady has imploded. He’s been running as a “successful businessman” but it’s now coming out his auto dealership just declared bankruptcy with debts of $5.5 million — sounds like his man Bush !
Lotus, go read the threads from the initial kefluffle through the “About that Graphic” thread. Then come back and tell us if we missed anything. I don’t think so. Rehashing it does not help our cause.
Oh, TRex, I’m feeling anything but flouncy or huffy right now. Stunned and shaky, more like. Didn’t see this coming. Don’t know what to think.
Jane Hamsher @
140
Hi Jane,
Hehe, your feistiness is your best quality. Sorry I wasn’t hanging round here the very second you summoned me (rare these days, eh?). Actually I was politely informed above to drop this conversation. I’m glad I dropped back in. Dilemma: does the Statement of STFU not apply if I’m responding to one of the host bloggers? Hmm…well I’m pretty sure I’m gonna get kicked out of here at this point anyway, so I should correct you slightly by saying that my utterly unscientific unverified guestimate regarding Blackface Joe’s cost in terms of African American votes was just that…based on nothing more than talking to people at the church the night the image was published. Without exception, everyone was disgusted. It’s no poll and unfortunately I’m no expert. Just a citizen, working a job. Kinda powerless and boring, compared to…you?
Anyway: though we’re partying ways, I’ll always insist that FDL is a great blog, keep up the good work! One single issue hardly eliminates several years of reading…
Peace.
Ok Jane, here are the choices:
One, shave your head, put on sackcloth, get on your knees and prostrate yourself while keening loudly and begging abjectly for forgiveness while promising to never, ever, do anything again which might offend. Weeping uncontrollably would be a nice added benefit, realizing all the while that this will still not be enough for some, or
Two, tell ‘em to go eff themselves. What’s done is done you said you’re sorry and nobody’s perfect (except me, of course.)
I vote for number two.
Well, I never meant to offend, but given the Midol comment above, I guess I did, right off the bat.
So I suppose I shall depart.
I do like the conversation here; I intended no affront.
They want to bomb Iran’s nuclear facilities, BUT THEY HAVE NO IDEA WHERE THEY ARE.
Lotus et al., I am a card-carrying craniac (Whooping Crane Conservation Association, N. Am. Crane Working Group). There are few sights and sounds more glorious than squadrons of sandhill cranes coming to their roosting waters in a glorious sunset.
There is a population/sub-species of sandhill cranes resident in FL. There are also two experimental populations of whooping cranes in Florida, the famous ultra-light babies who winter here, and a less-publicized non-migratory flock (I am involved with that project). For information on where to see some of the latter flock (no guarantees, but chances excellent, especially in fall and winter), email me [jbuhrman AT aol dot com]. They are stupifyingly beautiful. And the most endangered of all the cranes, with only 400 in the world.
Ornithology lesson over. Back to the regularly scheduled programming (if you can bear to watch. I can’t, bad for my health).
lotus @ 176
There have been more than adequate warnings posted throughout this thread.
Jane,
Don’t let Kai’s remarks get to you. I think he mixed you up with Judy Carne.
I came here, after getting up a 6:00 to see MTP here on the west coast, to discuss the talking heads, on the talking head thread and even though I came right to the keyboard at 10 to 7 my time there was already about 130 comments, unfortunately very few had anything to do with today’s talking heads.
I am not complaining about the birds or the peanut either – an undercurrent of pleasant talk re: birds or our children adds a touch of hominess(sp?) to the thread. But I’m 110% with Trex and Jane and think if anything they are being too nice. Kai, for example, has been going on for days and I for one am to the point where just seeing the name causes me to scroll on down in search of something relevant
kirby @ 171
Thanks Kirby. My mother called a few minutes ago to tell me about Lieberman but I couldn’t force myself to watch. You have a stronger stomach than I. Can’t wait for your synopsis.
Useless info I have gathered in my 60 yrs on this lovely planet. Decide quickly whether any argument is more important than the relationship. Sometimes one cannot have both.
in Indianapolis, home of Eli Lilly, we prefer to tell folk to take a Prozac rather than a Midol — gotta support our home monopoly-capitalists !
morris sheppard: Henry II after murder of Becket?
Lieberman’s on Face the Nation spouting boldfaced lies and Bob Schieffer isn’t calling him on them.
So what else is new?
op99, imm said just yesterday that he still feels unresolved about how we avoid another such incident. (You have no idea how much I wish he were here now — he’s so much better at les mots justes than I.)
Honest, y’all, I’m not trying to make trouble, but this just shocks me so, to know I’m on Jane’s target-list.
I don’t know what else to say right now, so I won’t try.
His wishy-washiness is truly a spectacle to inspire projectile vomiting.
Hey lotus, I think you are maybe feeling that Jane’s 157 was directed right at you? I read it as pointing at Kai. Anyway, I get my fair share of STFU’s out of our hostesses (including this thread). I find the best policy is to take them at their word and STFU. Even though I’m dying to defend myself.
Here’s the thing. This is a BLOG, fer chrissakes, not Harper’s, not Atlantic Monthly. This is guerilla media. We are the people who crowned Kate O’Beirne “Sandpaper Snatch”. There’s going to be some risky and button-pushing humor here. If that’s going to bruise your tender sensibilities, there’s a red ‘x’ at the corner of your browser window that will solve that problem post haste. I’m sure there’s a blog about the goddamn TeleTubbies somewhere that won’t upset you too much.
Clear?
I would really enjoy seeing a bunch of Great Blue Herons pecking the crap out of Lieberman.
Doesn’t have to be Great Blues, exactly. Any kind of bird with a giant sharp beak would be ok.
TRex @ 192
What are you on about, exactly?
I loved teletubbies. Is it still on?
cleter @ 194
How about the Prometheus punishment? Wasn’t it a crow that came and ate out his liver every day over and over for eternity?
I don’t know about you, TRex, but I would be all kinds of creeped out by a Teletubbies blog. I find them profoundly disturbing. Eeww.
A bit of meta:
This is a community site, because the host (Jane) chooses to make it so. But the house is still hers.
We have wide use of the place as long as we are respectful, don’t hurl racist crap, don’t detract from community discussion or hijack threads beyond the point of the useful examination of positions, and don’t disrespect each other.
Making false accusations, citing false “statistics,” in the service of attacking any community member, be they a front pager or a commenter, is not respectful. That’s where the boundaries come in. As others have pointed out, the whole graphic issue has been thoroughly examined and discussed here. The community, and the hosts, have moved on.
Personally, I see no reason why Jane should tolerate accusations made about her or her intentions beyond what she or I or anyone in the community would tolerate about other community members. Truth still matters. Kai has repreatedly made false assertions in the service of generating a sensation and blogwhoring, and that’s just not going to fly here. S/he’s been politely engaged, then warned, repeatedly on this score.
The guidelines to protect the pursuit of truth and healthy community interaction exist for all our visitors. It’s easy to take pot shots at a front pager, but false allegations that go to character will not be tolerated, just because the target is a front pager. We don’t allow it to happen when directed at anyone else, and sustaining a safe community environemnt means that we who write at the site are people too.
Hell, I’m just an overgrown commenter here myself – that’s how I started here. Were I commenter still and no front pager, I would be blasting kai to stfu and move on, because this stuff is coming in bad faith.
Who dumps an incendiary comment like that and ends it with the word, “peace?” That’s dishonest. I call bullshit.
Enough meta crap. That’s all I have to say about this.
Oklahoma kiddo @
168
Indeed. I’ve been saying, no, warning that the Gopers will NOT let the Congress change hands. They will never face any oversight, nor will they submit to the rule of law. (At least in THEIR minds). I can’t express loudly enough that the next few months will probably be the the most dangerous in our nation’s history.
They see the tide turning against them and they haven’t played any of their aces yet.
For years they pulled smoke and mirrors on the Congress. Now the courts are buzzing around, but they know the wheels of justice turn slowly so they still have an advantage: The People are stirring, but have not yet awakened.
Our only hope is that The United States of America is bigger than they are.
And to all those who feel offended by Jane’s feeling offended by their feeling offended by something which was intended to be critical and not offensive, or are feeling criticized by Jane’s reaction to being criticized by their criticism about a criticism which they felt was offensive even though nor offense (except to Lieberman, who deserves it) was meant I say: Let’s not be too critical or offended, OK?
Wasn’t it a crow that came and ate out his liver every day over and over for eternity?
A vulture, actually.
I’m so glad Sharon has one of her great photos featured today, she lives 20 minutes from me and is the only FDL’er I’ve met in person so far. She’s sent me some fabulous photos she’s taken, especially from the botanical gardens at MSU.
psssst *ilson love, it’s not called paraphenalia, our clothing etc., is correctly called Native American regalia. (’ere :)
Yes. The teletubbies are on This Week, Face the Nation and Meet the Press.
Morris Sheppard @ 200
Well put.
rorschach @ 195
I’m on about my last iota of patience for this discussion. Are you just itching to get smacked upside the head or something?
cleter @ 196
you homophobic or sumtin ?
An eagle was what et Prometheus’s innards.
“My circuits are unoffended” (Creation of the Humanoids, 1962)
In the crisis management chapter of PR 101, one of the steps in making bad news go away is to cease and desist engaging people who want it to continue. You issue your statement, then whenever someone brings it up in the future, you always refer back to your original statement. Pretty soon, people stop trying to engage you, because they tire of being referred back to the original statement.
(No charge for this free PR advice).
new thread !
(hidin’ & watchin’, and goin’ WOWWY over Morris Sheppard’s sentence)
TRex @ 205
No, sorry to have bruised your tender sensibilities, TRex.
lotus, ygm.
I’m done until Late Nite.
See you guys later.
Kai — thank you for the explanation. It doesn’t jibe with anything anyone else ever proffered, and it comes off as an attack without any substantiation, but at least we know where you got it.
You’re welcome to stay here but please do not hijack anyone’s threads, esp. those of someone who had NOTHING TO DO WITH THE INITIAL SKIRMISH, with incendiary comments. That is absolutely against the rules.
And Lotus — I don’t even know where you think you got that, so I’m not going to respond.
Dang,
I go and drop off my laundry and the heavy hitters come out. Me trying to defend Jane is akin to protecting a tank with a dull spoon.
I bow before m’lady.
rorschach @ 204
Does this mean I’ve passed the Rorschach test?
Sharkbabe @ 87
He’s not really dead, as long as the moneygrubbing corporate bosses remember him.
Morris Sheppard @
217
That depends; What do you see?
rorschach @ 219
I see dead people. Joe was buried at the polls, yet he walks upright, leaning to the right, however.
lina, I really like your 8:05.
I’m actually trained in the Exner system of Rorschach administration and interpretation. It’s not a pass/fail enterprise.
Watching McCain on MTP for almost thirty whole minutes is almost nauseating. I have to wonder how he ever managed to convince so many that he is a maverick and straight shooter. He pretends to disagree with the Chimp and Dr. Death on specific minor details but his undying support of his (P)resident is the real message, at least that is what I hear.
BTW, everybody tends to defer to his military wisdom, I guess because, unlike all the chickenhawks who are promoting this policy of bombing the hell out of anyone who looks at them funny and backing the B-team Zionist warmongers, he actually served in wartime. But really, how much did he learn about strategy or what was actually going on in Vietnam from 30,000 feet overhead or being a guest in the Hotel Hanoi.
He claims to support the Republican nominee in Connecticut, but will only go where the RNC sends him to campaign this fall. Translation, he supports JoMo the Likud candidate. It would take me the rest of the day to just list the outright lies and distortions of the truth that he managed to utter in just 30 minutes and the host was talking occasionally.
If he is your next prez, and I fear he could be, I don’t see that as much of a change in direction. If anything it might signal a rise in the “bellicosity” level. The way I see it the US can bomb the whole Muslim world into a gravel pit if it chooses, indeed the whole world. We all (well me anyway) know that doesn’t really solve anything except it does eliminate the enemy – I guess. Of course I don’t believe that Russia and China are going to sit idly by and watch the US try to solve all its problems with bombs – starting with Iran. If that should come to pass the gravel pit could get a lot bigger than from the eastern shores of the Med to say Pakistan.
I’m very, very glad I’m living where I am right now in the mountain hinterlands of British Columbia – though I do worry that some Hydro dams that may not be far enough away could become “strategic” targets.
As one who grew up during the cold war and took air raids and diving under my desk and assuming the kiss my ass position, I find that now, thanks to Bu$hCo, I’m living in very much scarier times. I say this with out even taking into consideration the possible economic implosion on the horizon that could make the Great Depression of the 1930s a fond memory.
Gotta go watch JoMo lie his face off on Lie in the Face (of) the Nation here in a minute or two.
Feel better peanut.
Christy, I think the Great Blue Heron was once on the endangered species list. Now we have so many around Arkansas, they are commonly called the swamp chicken.
cleter @ 197
You and me both. That show is like a candy-coated 1984. Ewwww.
*ilson46201 @ 118
Why not the Derrida Dynamo? Or, if you care to distance yourself from the European postmodernists (a move I would certainly encourage), the Righteous Rawls Rotorooter?
*ilson46201 @ 186
Love your wit *ilson
Back in the old days, I was more than willing to engage in flame wars, but that is like predicting the turning of the tide by watching the choppy little waves.
Pachacutec @
222
so what kind of test did Judith give JFK ?
Jane Hamsher @ 215
Gotcha. I’m sorry about that. I got lazy with my attention to what I was posting in which thread, they all kinda mixed together in my befuddled mind. But I understand the criticism, it makes perfect sense. I especially apologize to Christy.
Pach at #198
This could pretty well be used as a TOS for FDL.
Way OT. thank goodness.
Jane, cars.com is a good place to check for nationwide listings of used mercedes. KS and TX are states of plenty.
Kai 230 — I especially apologize to Christy.
Thank you.
Morning, all – doing kind of a drive-by, as I wait for my daughter, niece and sister-in-law to converge here – we’re going out to look for bridesmaid’s dresses…something utterly cheerful!
Couple comments…
Was quite impressed with Kerry this morning on This Week, especially with his comments on Ned v. Joe. Also thought Chuck Hagel did a fine job of reading Chris Wallace the riot act on the politicization of war.
With regard to that whole thing of a couple weeks ago…FDL has become THE place to question and discuss the things that people are unhappy and not satisfied about. Many of us who have been loud about our unhappiness with the staus quo in the “real” world, have found a forum here that takes second place to none. We’ve honed our analytical skills here, learned how better to get people’s attention, developed methods and techniques for effecting change. FDL has inspired us, daily, to go on the hunt for crap, to expose it and deconstruct it and render it powerless.
Christy is right – there are larger issues that can and should be discussed. And Jane and Christy are right that right now, this is not the time for that discussion. Those who want to carry on with it are free to exchange e-mails and have at it.
I like to think that we have these discussions in the living rooms of those who host this wonderful site. When I go to someone else’s home, I respect his or her request not to bring up certain things, and to ignore that request would just be rude. I can’t imagine being someone’s guest and in effect saying to her, “NO! I don’t care what you don’t want to hear! I AM going to talk about this!” If I were the host, and my guest took that approach, I would usher them to the door, pronto, and I would think twice about asking them back.
Remember where you “are;” you may be typing from your own space, but the end result of your typing is coming out in Jane’s or Christy’s living room.
I don’t know if it my increased awareness these days or if it is really happening. Does anybody see a substantial change, or a turning of the tide in the talking heads? Tweety and Lou Dobbs comes to mind at the moment.
John Caspar: Thanks. Free advice is almost always worth the sticker price.
sofistic – With caution, I agree. Winds of change are on the air.
a mean post-moderatorist, if you know what I mean.
I think Kerry and Co. are just hedging their bets. Not sure if Ned can pull it off, they Know Joe Lieberman, and this is not the JoMo they know. Can’t be sure if he will play with the piper that payed for him this time out, not sure if he will pay with them next time, if there is one.
I feel better now – Holy Joe is looking after the security of my grandchildren. BTW, did anyone notice when JoMo went on about putting a hand on the bible and another in the air he said nothing about his oath having anything to do with swearing to uphold the constitution?
Sharkbabe @
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Anything is possible with these Bush cronies and if he isn’t cold stone dead I wouldn’t be surprised one whit.
On MTP this morning McCain said most constitutional scholars disagree with Judge Taylor’s decision. Bullsh*t.
At least we know that McCain believes in the unitary executive garbage, for Republicans anyway.
And, furthermore, Joe Lieberman is NOT the Democratic Party’s candidate. He has been, in other words, booted from the party. So he is lying. He is not a Democrat and the more he insists on this the more pathetic he appears. The only reason he gets so much face time on TV is that he’s part of the Bush circle jerk, and the pundits feel “comfortable” with a Vichy “democrat”, an appeaser and enabler like they are. As far as I’m concerned, and speaking as a COnnecticut voter, I feel that we’ve already won. We kicked Lieberman out of our party.
One of the tragedies of the Vietnam War was the number of young Americans that had to die after it was obvious that the US didn’t belong there and couldn’t win any way other than bombing them out of existence. At that time your real enemies (Russia and China) were content to just watch America waste lives and resource and chuckle over vodka about the stupidity of America.
The wrongness of the invasion and occupation of Iraq was obvious to many (myself included) before it began and just becomes more obvious daily, but still the talking heads and the politicians bloviate about how reversing course will only make it worse. To anyone old enough to remember the seemingly at the time endless, last years of Vietnam it’s like deja vu or Groundhog Day.
Unfortunately the rest of the world isn’t sharing laughs over drinks while they enjoy the spectacle of Mighty America plundering its own wealth and youth in a misguided attempt to hi-jack the resources of the rest of the world.
There are so many more forces in play, as the Chimp so clearly doesn’t comprehend (Amb Gailbraith re:Bush – Sunnis/Shia)and the strategic oil based interests so much more immediate than with Vietnam. Today it seems much more likely that the big boys could start throwing the big ordinance in a heartbeat following a faux pas that this administration has proven they are so capable of making.
It is also Groundhog Day in the drumbeat to attack Iran – identical to Iraq just trade and n for the q. This administration certainly doesn’t have the diplomatic skills to bring anybody on side with an attack on Iran (except Israel, of course) especially Russia and China. Another pre-emptive attack, on Iran most likely, would unleash forces that would make the “flowers” of Iraq truly seem like being greeted as liberators.
Who cares who’s willing to call whatever is going on in Iraq civil war or not. When is civil war going to break out in the United States?
Fareed:
“We’ve united our enemies and divided our friends”
cleter @
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How ’bout Wood Storks? Really quite extraordinary birds, and they like carrion ;->
http://www.birds.cornell.edu/A…..Stork.html
The Panel with George Steph…… – I felt like I was watching three adults (Robin, Fareed and George Will) try to explain something to a child (the AEI guy). George Will is reality based and his insistence that the will of the people or the Congress is irrelevant to the Chimp if he wants to start World War III is the scariest part.
I don’t always agree with George Will but at least we are both seeing the same world!
I just finished a Tribute to Santorum video and would appreciate your comments.
Thank you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRj5RNmt9lw
Good job Ken, yes Santorum is a creep, great song. One thing you may want to add on the words “I don’t belong here” may be to highlight the fact his house is empty in PA, so, he doesn’t belong there much less in politics.
A pretty clear statement about what is wrong with our society and the media. The media tries to create diversions and obviously is succeeding with it’s focus on Runaway Bride/Jon Benet style news. I emailed an article from the NYT to my son in Oregon about poverty in Rural Oregon and notice that today’s most e-mailed articles were the following:
1. Federer as Religious Experience
2. The Trouble When Jane Becomes Jack
3. Choice Tables: Going to Napa, but Skipping the Vineyards
4. The St.-Tropez of Turkey
5. Skin Deep: Throw Your Tweezers Away
Pretty well sums it up for me, and this is the “Grey Lady” not People magazine or Arizona Highways.
So where does one go to hear opinions on the talking heads sessions? I’m particularly interested in the MTP discussion after McCain left the studio.