
With all due respect, the folks who are singing the "time to move on" song regarding the Lamont/Lieberman race are, it should be noted, people who on the whole really didn't care much about it in the first place and never saw the reason for the challenge. Which is fine. Don't write about it then. But I think it's important that it continue to be covered for a variety of reasons and we will continue to do so, and anyone who needs some sort of explanation for that decision should feel free to pick and choose from the following list:
1. Nobody cared about it when we started covering it in February, I don't know why we'd be worried if they don't care now. We cover it because we think it's important and we want to write about it and our subject matter is not dictated strictly by the issue du jour.
2. The notion that somehow we are doing "Karl Rove's bidding" by continuing to focus on the race is absurd. We're not playing the race card, providing the illusion of bi-partisan support for a disastrous war or calling those who oppose it traitors, or destroying the candidacies of three Democrats in House races. Joe Lieberman is doing all those things, and the minute he gets out of the race it stops.
3. I can only speak for myself but I got into covering this race because the idea that the Gang of 14 would use its power to confirm another Alito should a SCOTUS vacancy occur in the next two years was intolerable. If Lieberman wins, no price will be paid, no message will have been sent. No other member besides Lincoln Chafee is in danger of losing his seat, and his challenge is coming from angry wingnuts. Am I supposed to shrug my shoulders at the prospect of the next 30 years with a 5/4 court just because someone thinks it would make Karl Rove happy? I'm not Pavlov's dog -- yet.
4. I like this story. If you can get the New York Times on the phone and make them stop covering it because other races need more attention, maybe we'll have something to talk about. In the mean time, there are plenty of other blogs.
5. What don't folks understand about the notion that once you've got your boot heel on someone's windpipe it's time to finish the job, not remove your foot? Follow-through, people. I simply cannot bear another two years of "the bloggers have never backed a winning candidate," and aside from my personal priorities I really can't see how it does any good for progressive politics or the netroots in general.
6. I suppose there is an argument to be made that any Democrat is better than any Republican but I am just not that cynical yet. You want to support Bob Casey? Here's his web site, go wild. He's the hand picked candidate of Harry Reid and Chuck Schumer in a pro-choice state who went out of his way (when nobody asked) to say he would've voted to confirm Alito. I'm sorry but I'm really not willing to go to the mat for a party full of Bob Caseys, and Chuck Schumer marching around like Basil Fawlty shrieking "nobody mention the war!" is not my idea of bountiful and rewarding November.
7. The Schumerian Policy of Centrist Appeasement (#6 above) is a bit of a disaster, and the DLC's contention that they "know how to win elections" seems to have precipitated nothing but a race to the bottom. Grover Norquist's vision of Democrats as a buch of happy, neutered farm animals has at last bee realized -- there is much to suggest they have come to accept "the finality of their powerlessness." I would very much like this state of affairs to end, now.
8. The primary race was driven on the Lieberman side by lame Democratic consultants. Holy Joe has now brought in the right-wing noise machine, and they are leading the media around by the nose far more than Marion Steinfels ever could. If there was ever a need for what we do, it's now.
9. You can't carry on an effective battle if you can't consolidate your own ranks first. As Art Torres said the other day, it's time to kick the Republicans out of the Democratic nominating process. I firmly believe it will only strengthen the party going forward.
10. Everyone who contributes to this blog is free to decide what they write. I don't tell them what they should care about, and I really don't know where anyone else gets off thinking they're in a position to dictate that, either.
All that is a very elaborate way of saying we will continue to cover the Lamont/Lieberman race. I will also say that we probably do as much or more for progressive candidates in other races than any other website in the liberal blogosphere, so those who are inclined to criticize our allocation of blogospheric resources would do best to hit the "Blue America" button on the top of the page and keep the donations flowing if they want to see more action on that front.
In the mean time, we'll be writing about the stuff we think is important. And yes, that will most definitely include Ned Lamont.
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Damn straight!
Rove would play a compassionate race card? Slap me silly.
Absolutetly! I’m 100% with you on this! The Lamont race is about the future of the Democratic party.
oh goody…
Oooh, number none! I’d say it’s my first, but I guess more accurately it’s my 0th.
Go Ned!
Go Jane!
Webb has pulled even with Allen!
Jane,
Any closer to deciding on the next car? I was stunned at how much high quality information came out in the biodiesel thread yesterday.
Way to go, Jane.
What gets me is these people think it is no loss if Lieberman wins. That would be fine by them! They see no down-side to that at all.
I guess some people like being neutered animals.
excellent.
opps. I mean neutered farm animals…with Joe tending the herd.
Watching and reading Lamont this past week, I’m mostly impressed how MODERATE he is. He’s very articulate, both on TV and in print - the WSJ op-ed should be read to every person who thinks Lamont is a risky choice for leadership.
This is the fight of all fights, and I still want that wheezer out.
Jane:
Thanks for that rebuttal…I agree, we need to keep focused until Joe is working for his favourite lobbyist.
I rememeber reading about Lamont for the first time on this blog. Didn’t think he had a chance then, but was glad you were at least talking about a potential challenger.
Today, most people would bet that Lamont is going to win in November.
I look forward to future targetting of other blue state democratic senators and reps whose primary goal is to provide a bi-partisan cover for the most radical republican ideas.
Well said!! And I second that your concern especially with SCOTUS. We are truly in crisis mode to prevent another Alito.
From Newsday!
Lamont dines with deputy Israeli prime minister
August 19, 2006, 3:49 PM EDT
HARTFORD, Conn. (AP) _ Democratic U.S. Senate candidate Ned Lamont attended a dinner in New York with Israel Deputy Prime Minister Shimon Peres on Friday night, Lamont’s campaign said.
Lamont campaign manager Tom Swan said Lamont was invited to a small, private dinner hosted by a mutual friend in New York City.
http://www.newsday.com/news/lo.....onnecticut
Here’s one outcome . . .
LIEberman loses the primary
Karl calls Joe
Repubs effectively withdraw support from Schlesinger, support LIEberman
Dems do not stand 110% behind Lamont
Dems do not categorically oppose LIEberman
Suppose LIEberman wins?
Suppose he then gets another call from Karl - the cabinet appointment is ready for you
Does Jodi Rell gets to appoint a repub to the Senate?
Dems do not get control of Senate
windje
To a certain extent, I welcome Lieberman’s self-serving run. It opens up an incredible opportunity to send an extremely clear message to the Democratic Party that we’re not playing games here. If we can knock Lieberman out for good, the message sent will have a huge impact. It’s going to be an enormous struggle, but the payoff is huge. I understand the importance of other campaigns, but the Lamont/Lieberman race has the potential to have an enormous impact on incumbent politicians.
I must return to lurking since I apparently am unable to proof my own comments. I’m redfaced and will stf up.
At 6:00 p.m. EDT, CNN is going to feature coverage of what it appears they are going to characterize as George Allen’s racial slur.
Ed*ard Teller — Kobe has let it be known that he would like a Mercedes 300td wagon. Many thanks to everyone who contributed to that thread.
The poodles and I are sitting here drinking ice tea and eating chips & salsa with Siun. Much fun.
ccmask, wow! I was just talking with friends last night about how Ned needs to connect in a high-profile way with the Jewish contingent. He’s an amazing strategist, and a sincere one.
We like.
Thanks, Jane.
**Standing Ovation**
Thank you Jane…. you hit every bullet point that I have been ragging on since August 8th.
We need to hit Senator Harry Reid & the DSCC with a new wave of emails & phone calls letting them know that we want RGJoe stripped of his committee participations and we want him stripped NOW!
RGJoe is NO LONGER a Democrat and every day he is showing it!
Jane - thanks for your continued focus on this crucial race. I do see this as a battle for the heart & soul of the Dem party.
I think many Dem party leaders would like us all move on, since most have done little more than pay lip service to support for Lamont. This race has lifted the rock and exposed all the insects scattering for cover and many of us are really struggling to come to terms with what the Dem party has become.
I, for one, have been scratching my head the past few years to try to understand what’s going on and why such bad decisions are being made. Now we know why. Reid, Schumer and the like need to be held accountable for passively allowing Lieberman to run as an Independent “Dem” who may or may not be allowed to keep his seniority, etc. if he wins. Shame, shame, shame.
Besides, as the last thread on Dr. Wulsin attests, FDL highlights a lot of races around the country - not just the Senatorial race in CT.
Thanks, Jane. This very much needed saying. Following the Lamont/ Lieberman race (first at FDL) was a great political education for me, and, I’m sure, others. Don’t let up. Also, here’s a quote from Christy on another thread that I bookmarked, because I agreed so much- especially “[]it is also a fight that had to come to a head sooner or later.”
Christy Hardin Smith @
136
Wow! We just lost power here. What a storm-Geez!
Anyway….a snippette from a long story at the link:
Closer to home, the Baltimore Sun published an unsigned editorial on August 15, 2006, entitled, “An Imperfect Cease-Fire,” dealing with Israel’s unjust invasion of Lebanon, which took the lives of over 1,100 Lebanese and left a million of its people, one third of the nation, homeless; along with tens of billions in damages. It must have been ghostwritten by Sen. Joe Lieberman, a flaming Likudnut. It stated, contrary to all the well-know facts: “Israel was dragged into this war by Hezbollah in early July.” Offering such an absurd opinion is like arguing that Israel was “dragged into” attacking a clearly identified USS Liberty, on June 8, 1967, and killing 34 of its crew, because it couldn’t stand any state of the art intelligence vessel, flying the American flag, and sailing in international waters, 14 miles off the Sinai coast. The Israelis’ dubious excuse for that murderous assault was that it thought the USS Liberty was an out-of-service Egyptian horse carrier transport boat, El Quseir. [5] If anyone expects to read the truth about a habitually-deceiving Israel, vis-�-vis the Middle East, don’t look to the Baltimore Sun’s editorial page to find it. [6] By the way, talking about proportionality, if Israel can destroy Lebanon because two of its soldiers were captured, what should the U.S. have done to the Zionist state for slaughtering 34 of her bravest sons and injuring 174 more on the USS Liberty?
http://usa.mediamonitors.net/c.....full/34394
To paraphrase what NED sez about the Iraq War, Lamont’s not the ONLY issue here at FDL, but it’s the central issue. His people-powered campaign for America’s future and against his party’s biggest Bush-booster is the central narrative in taking back the Republic.
More NED please!
mjh, please, don’t be silly. Jump in. I am always making scads of typos and posting ill-formed sentences and saying pissy things. Sometimes all at the same time. It’s always great to see a new poster.
Frankly, I think the lurkers and bloggers spewing this undiluted crap are all ReThug trolls.
Jane has the right of it.
We must crush Joerus’s nutsack and every other ReThug or Spineless Dem we can get to.
The citizenry, in more than one poll, have indicated that they are ready to dump the ReThugs but only, only if Democrats can show they are going to stand up and clean up the mess BushCo has made.
The neutered turkeys Schumer and Emmanuel have no clue as to what to do.
It’s up to us and Governor Dean.
And yes write Reid and demand he act like a leader.
Actually, our current crop of Democratic Senators need to go to the next level, Harry Reid needs to stump for Jack Carter, Baucus needs to be out there for Jon Tester, Pelosi needs to be out there helping that whole list of California Dems, McNerney, Brown, etc.
Then they need to get their butts to CT and do a tour with Lamont showing their support.
The fact that McCain has loaned two staffers to Lieberman to help him build his ground game just pisses me off. That means RGJoe is hanging out with one of the worse war hawks in the ReThug posse.
Ned Lamont a is radical millionaire socialist businessman who’s opinion of the Bush’s Iraq War is supported by the fringe 67% of Americans.
-GSD
Feel free to refer to the war as Bush’s Iraq War over and over again.
mjh: Welcome to the other side.
All of the above.
Great 10-point STFU.
TPM is pissing me off these days.
I was at DemocracyFest in San Diego when Maxine Waters announced she was going to CT to campaign for Ned. I wish you could see 1100 people give her a standing ovation, pretty much bring down the amphitheater.
I know that Howard & Jim Dean know that this fight is for the heart and soul of the Democratic Party. Especially with the DLC slings and arrows thrown at Howard Dean.
A.Citizen @ 29
Not really. Atrios has been criticizing Josh Marshall, who for reasons I don’t understand is really out to lunch on this issue.
I love this quote from atrios’s blog on the post at tpm re Lamont:
“Crap. My two favorite blogs are having a catfight. So which one is being blogofascist?”
TeddySanFran @ 26
What Teddy said!
. . . and your little dog, too @ 37
ditto
I agree punaise, even emailed Josh… told him that he does not get it and he will be loosing readers.
But then, he sees himself as one of the inside DC’ers and then we are the angry hord with pitchforks pounding on the gates….
There are many good ways to be a Democrat. Joe Lieberman demonstrates none of them. Ned Lamont demonstrates most, if not all of them.
We (broadly, those of us still interested in a progressive democratic republic) don’t need only one kind of candidate, and one kind of campaign. Supporting Ned Lamont would be important if only to demonstrate that. That Lamont has a chance to unseat a Senator who has become poisoned with power and enchanted with his ego makes it more important still.
Go Jane!
meta @ 27
You said it meta, welcome mjh. Occasionally the English majors will lightly scold us for mistakes, but sorry, I don’t have an English degree, nor do I get paid professionally to write. I am a retired professional chef but I don’t scold anyone for not knowing how to cook perfectly. ;) Enjoy yourself here and relax, the water is fine…
katymine @ 39
katymine,
I think Josh is gone this weekend and a guest poster, dk, posted the circular firing squad item.
I’ll bet “ck” doesn’t stand for Dennis Kucenich…….
I mean “Ill bet “dk”…………”
katymine @ 39
I have tremendous respect for Josh Marshall and his crew; they do excellent reporting / muckraking. I can even accept that he’s a left-leaning centrist. But what’s frustrating is that shortly after having seemingly turned the page on Joe and his all-about-me antics, he’s back to hedging his bets in a huge way. Not saying he’s necessarily wrong in his specific analyses of the CT race (altough he was late to the party) - he just seems a bit too eager to find a reason to frown on Ned.
I guess it’s hard to quit being a DLC-type….
(BTW the current atrios/TPM tiff inolves a guest-poster at TPM, not Josh Marshall).
Chuck Schumer as Basil Fawlty has to be the laugh of the day. Thank you Jane, I will never be able to look at poor Schumer the same again.
Question for your critics, precisely who put a gun to your head and made you read Firedoglake? And who is preventing you from blogging about whatever it is you think is important?
Thanks Ed*ard Teller, I did not catch that it was not Josh since he has been going along the same meme… so he is a Josh twin….
Thanks for the heads up
Josh Marshall said many times in the run-up to the Lieberman/Lamont primary that “I don’t have a dog in this race.” He didn’t care who won.
He’s never thought it was very important. Don’t know why he would be changing his mind now … unless, deep down, he did sort of favor Lieberman.
Josh is pretty moderate. He was kinda iffy on the whole Iraq War thing, as I remember. I think he saw where some good might come out of it. I think he expressed support for forcible regime change.
On another topic, Lamont cozying up to the Israelis doesn’t seem like a wonderful thing to me. Can someone explain why that should be cause for celebration?
Josh has said more than once that he really likes Lieberman. Maybe it’s the fact that he knows Joe’s friends and hears little heartwarming inside anecdotes or whatever. He’s entitled to his opinion. I personally don’t see it, and having someone with such ability and intelligence splooge out like that when Ned is such a fine person in stark contrast, well - I don’t know what to say. He’s got more information that I do obviously, but I’ve seen enough of Joe the Opportunist, thank you.
BIG OL’ DITTO to all above except lisa’s last graf!
I’m convinced. Get Joe and don’t forget to go after your local Goopers, too.
His song about purging good Democrats is crap. He abandoned ship and the central committee in DC doesnt really get it.
Well said, Jane. It is one of Rove’s signature tactics to persuade his opponents that their strength is their weakness. The Lamont candidacy represents a unique opportunity for progressives and the netroots to effect real change.
Joe Lieberman has demonstrated over and over again that he is a selfish and conceited tool of the GOP. Are there other, worse, individuals in the Senate? Doubtless. But this is the “fox and the grapes.” Only success in CT will make further gains possible. Let’s keep our eyes on this ball and hit it out of the park (if you will excuse the cliche sports metaphor).
One thing I’ve learned from the Lamont/Lieberman race is that Congress is 3/4 Republican.
My view of TalkingpointsMemo credibility has dropped in my eyes with his steadfast support of RGJoe. You see, I do judge a person by the company they keep.
Me, I feel privilaged to hang out here… Well have a nice afternoon, going out to run my Saturday errands…. catch ya later
Jane:
Please keep doing what you are doing. All of your reasons for covering the Lamont vs. That Other Guy race are good ones, and you do it well.
So “TPM Reader DK” wants to stop a circular firing squad in an election by starting one in the blogs?
That’s a novel approach.
Question for DK at TPM:
How can it be a “Democratic circular firing squad” when even the frickin’ NYT now says that Lieberman’s a Republican?
So Laura Rozen has this one sentence up:
“Has Bush called some people to inquire if they would be willing to replace Rumsfeld? In the past ten days?”
Not let me see, that would be the mother of all ” fashionably late” inquiries. Perhaps he’s looking for more credibility for his next conquest. Chokehold Cheney might be tired of restraining that trigger finger. So is Short Ride in the rolodex?
Lisa @ 47
Lamont having a meal or meeting with the Deputy PM of Israel isn’t necessarily bad. I see it as a good thing in that Lieberman’s minions have been accusing Lamont supporters of anti-Israel tendencies or roots - or worse.
What’s Lamont supposed to do, refuse an invitation to meet a credentialed foreign diplomat?
Phoenix Woman @ 56
Bingo
Lisa, because dialogue is important? Because when you isolate nations they tend to do things in isolation? Because diplomacy hasn’t been tried in forfreakinever?
May I propose a Number Eleven for your list, please, Jane?
IT AIN’T OVER
Thanks to stinkyman’s ego-grandstandalicious bid to keep Hadassah’s employers and BushCo’s warmongerers happy, this election ain’t over. And the story ain’t over either. What’s up with a “liberal Democrat” who “votes with his party over 90% of the time,” who’s been “endorsed by single-issue groups like NARAL” allied with:
Rove
Hannity
Coulter
Gingrich
Cheney
G. Gordon Liddy
and John McCain’s Ground Gamers?
By their company ye shall know them.
… oh, and an unpulled thread on this skein, please, TradMed: “hacked website reporting on Election Day!!” What say you, Tweety?
Jane,
I have a question will the hardcore religious Republican base turn out for Lieberman simply on the orders of Rove?? Will they form the base of Lieberman’s GOTV ground game?? After all how many Dominionist and Talibangelists are there in Connecticut? Surely not all Republicans in Connecticut are Club for Growth, Country Clubbing Libertarians. Because right now the only appeal that Lieberman can make to these white “Christian” voters is scary black men taking over the congress dog whistle racism.
One real wild card in the Connecticut race is the position of Reverend James Dobson. What if the only hope of turning out the hardcore religious conservative Republican base is Dobson. Personally I do not know how many Dominionist followers of Dobson there are in New England but Rove may need every vote he can get.
Secretly Dobson knows that Lieberman has intentionally served his interests very well. Without Lieberman as the frontman talking to the media it seemed very unlikely the gang of 14 would have held in support of Alito. Lieberman certainly sank any hopes of an Alito filibuster. Now, Dobson has put himself out on a limb with his followers that GWB must have a chance to put one more Justice on the supreme court if at all possible. Right now the Supreme Court may whittle away at Roe v. Wade but is unlikely to kill it. Dobson is promising followers to kill Roe V. Wade. Supporting Lieberman is Dobson’s best shot.
The problem is as I see is that Rove is hoping he does not have to call on Dobson to openly support Lieberman. Doing so would be such a craven move by Dobson, Rove and Lieberman. NARAL would look like absolute babes in the woods idiots for ever supporting Lieberman. Ken Salazar and his enemy Dobson would be in the same bed as well. Dobson would leave himself open for attack as a completely unprinicipled political opportunist, manipulator and Charlatan for the first time by at least some of the MSM.
Seriously is the average abortion clinic protestor cynical and sophisticated enough to go along with Dobson on a Lieberman endorsement.
Lieberman would have to come up with some kind of twisted New Republic/Andrew Sullivan style I am pro-choice but not on Constitutional individual right basis argument. After eighteen years JoeJoe might say that basically that Roe V. Wade was an improper activist decision that would been best decided 30 years ago by a majority vote in each state bullshit. I doubt it would work but Rove may be able to swing majority of the MSM to at least give cover to the new found “centrism” of Lieberman’s now anti-Roe abortion stand.
To me an all out attempt to get Lieberman elected as the Stealth Republican candidate would really expose the naked calculations of the Republican stand on abortion as a way to bring out the rube vote.
Sounds crazy but true virtue of the Lamont/Lieberman fight is for once everybody would know on which side of the street they really stand on.
kyping another one from atrios. But this idea is very intriguing!
“I think that the Dem leadership and the 2008 contenders should get together with Lieberman and make him an offer he could willingly accept and cannot refuse. If the reports we have all read about Lieberman actually considering a SecDef position from the current administration were true, then maybe there is a brighter bauble out there that the Dems can hang before Lieberman to get him out of the senate race, and fall 100% behind Lamont and the other Dem candidates. If the Dems take the White House in 2008, thare is no doubt in my mind that Justice Stevens will be retiring. Our Dem leaders and candidates should offer Lieberman the nomination to replace Stevens (or anyone else who might go before
Stevens). Frankly, I think Lieberman would be a fair Justice, and a pretty progressive one on most of the issues that are important to the Dems. It would also offer Lieberman a very respectable and face saving way out. And it would be very interesting to see if any in the GOP could oppose Lieberman’s nomination considering the outpouring of love directedhis way these past few months.
bubba | 08.19.06 - 5:23 pm | #”
Jane, I agree that the only response necessary to those who say “stop talking about this” (like the ones who say “why aren’t you talking about that?”) is “Get your own blog!”
Blogspace is not a limited resource. No one is forced to come here. If you don’t like it, find somewhere else you like better, or create it yourself. If you like it here except for that one thing, then be polite and skip over the part you don’t care for.
Seems pretty simple.
As an aside, the real interesting question is who holds sway in the Republican Party; neocons, evangelicals, or some unholy combination of the two? As to Lamont talking with Peres, it makes a lot of sense. First, Israel is being used by the neocons to fight their war that is actually putting Israel in greater danger than before the invasion of Iraq. Second, the evangelicals want to kill or convert all Jews (the rapture). Therefore, someone needs to explain to Jewish voters in Conn. that Liarman supports policies that will lead to the destruction of Israel (by the neocons idiotic policy) and the end of the Jewish religion (evangelicals).
This scenario rings scarily true. The Reekpublicans have in Jilted Joe both a mole and a true spoiler. Reid and Schumer must see this at the very LEAST as a possibility. So - what am I missing here? Somebody please explain how NOT giving Lamont strong support now benefits anybody but the Bushies and the status quo?
Alice Marshall @ 45
Somehow, I can also see Hillary in the Prunella Scales role, standing at the Front Desk cawing “Baaaaaaasil!” at Chuckles.
teehee.
mjh, are you still here? We met the other night, right?
Make an example of Joe.
You take out the Gang Of 14’s biggest guy, former Dem VP candidate, DLC poster boy and Pundit’s Darling.
You take him out in the primary. You take him out again in the general election. He will not listen to reason so you ruin him and grind his political future and brand of selfish politics into the dust.
You let every power broker and insider feel less secure that they call the shots.
Their shiny Senator will be been defeated and rejected. They’ll piss and moan and cry about it but they’ll all remember.
Elephants never forget
Jane Hamsher @
20
That’s the one Jane! It’s the same model my friend runs bulk cooking oil in. Hope you can find one. Good luck.
The idea of Lieberman on the Supreme Court makes me sick to my stomach!
katymine @ 38
And he’s against that?
I know he has a Poodle, and all, but Hmm . . . .
Jane,
I brought up something like this last night. I was just thinking out loud ; )
I would never want to see Lieberman on the Supreme Court of all places. We’re in enough danger as it is. I want to see him leave public life.
C-SPAN showing Darcy Burner talking at DCC.
LindaR @ 71
Ditto
What Rape victim would want RGJoe making decisions on birth control or Plan B, the thought makes me sick…. horror movie fright scream…. YEEEEEEE
From Talking Points Mem:
The Lamont-Lieberman race is still at a stage where the principal fight is going to happen in the media. The large portion of the likely november electorate is still figuring out its minds. Lamont has tried hard enough, but unfortunately Lieberman has moved a little more agressively in trying to redefine himself as the centrist savior, and to define Lamont as a radical.
Fine, let the 2006 election in part be about just how lame and wrong the MSM’s CW has been. 60% of Americans are against the Iraq War and want withdrawl not two more years of clusterfuck. Bush’s approval rates are at record lows, with the most favorable polls having him at not better than 40% approval the lowest at 33%. The vast majority of Americans expect the Democratic party to function as a true opposition party preventing the Republicans from doing more harm to the country. That is complete counter to Lieberman’s position as a Republican enabling centrist lapdog.
Having Lamont win in Connecticut is critical to changing the language of what is politically possible and acceptiable. It is crucial step to laying the groundwork for victory in 2008. Like Jameson Foer over at Media Matters for American says changing the Media’s conventional wisdom and blind acceptance of Republican talking point is what is at stake here. Face it in that case the key battle is in Connecticut.
Bless you, Jane. I couldn’t agree more. Hope your travels go well.
I meant DLC
Ed*ard Teller @ 63
Joe needs to wake up with a horse’s head on his bed.
The thought of Joe being “rewarded” with a black robe is quite unpleasant.
meta @ 57
According to Sy Hersh, some sources say that Rumsfeld was less than enthusiastic about the Israel-Lebanon war that the neocons were so keen on (though reports are mixed.) It wasn’t for any good or moral reason, of course, but because he was worried about how it might affect Iraq, which is his baby.
I could see that failing to cheer enthusiastically enough could bring out the long knives against him, since they’re not real big on dissenting opinions…
The United States under the Republicans, or for that matter, any political party which subscribes to the tutelage of the neocons is not a friend of Israel. Jewish people in this country, Israel, and world wide who supported the American sponsored carnage in Lebanon and prolong the no-settlement policy regarding a Palestinian homeland are being sold down the river by the neo-nuts. This is an important message that the Democrats want to convey. It is said that that the Republican party garners about 25% of the Jewish vote. If Democrats could pull 1/2 that number away, it would be a big help. As for Bush. This man has less use for Jewish people than does an aardvark for a roasted ant.
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0819-25.htm
aztrias@69 –
Amen. No dirty tricks. No backroom deals. Fight hard on the ground, and take him out.
And, of course, have the garlic and stake ready at the end.
I can see Jane being a grown-up Buffy, somehow. :)
Woohooo punaise, I would love to see that!
Just imaging it is fun….
Wouldn’t it be ironic if Rummy was shown the door for the one time in six years he showed some spine?
Is honest morality the new “extremism”?
Is adhering to honorable principles the new “fringe” behavior in America?
Is taking personal responsibility for your own actions now mocked as “partisan” behavior?
Perhaps so, considering what passes for the national corporate culture, and our national business ethic, as represented by Wall Street (and the national Chamber of Commerce) which has sold off, shut down, and moved the very foundations of our national economy off-shore and overseas to other countries for more than a decade now. All in the name of the mighty buck, all other national values and priorities be damned.
Hiding behind a label of “centrist” or “bipartisan” or “nonpartisan” or “moderate” or a “red-state representative” is a very, very convenient way of avoiding personal responsibility for one’s unprincipled, immoral, even downright unconscionable votes and actions in public office. What a sick culture we live in where support for instigating a violent, destructive invasion and occupation of a run-down, non-threatening foreign nation is in any way considered “moderate” behavior. Nevermind agreeing to bankrupt our national treasury to do so.
Harry Reid, Chuck Schumer, Ken Salazar, Daniel Inouye, Mary Landrieu, Thomas Carper, Ben Nelson, Mark Pryor, and those who secretly side with them, are standing in the way of a better America. Period. We cannot let this blockade remain standing, because our future is being held hostage by these compromised incumbents.
This is about how to start making a better, more humane, more decent America. It is about improving the lives of everyday Americans, instead of idolizing corporate profit and destructive violence in the name of that corporate profit, above and to the exclusion of all else. That’s the choice those who represent us need to make: when the two do not go hand in hand, as is now obviously the case, where do our Senators and Representatives cast their votes? With the best interests of the people in whose government they serve in mind, or with the interests of the profits of the elite corporations who pay for their personal campaigns in mind?
I’ll take the moral, principled, responsible “fringe extremist” like Ned Lamont or Patrick Fitzgerald over the immoral, unprincipled, irresponsible “moderate centrist” like Ben Nelson until the cows come home, any day of the week. And every honest American should be able to do the same and to proudly and publicly stand shoulder to shoulder with such great Americans as Lamont and Fitzgerald, who are both striving to move our country forward against all odds.
Some data on the Ohio election.
My Republican mother has decided to vote for the Democrat for governor against Blackwell [whew!].
She didn’t think there were any issues with Secretary of State…ok more work to do there.
And on the local level, she said with exasperation “I’ll vote for any Democrat that can brush his own teeth.”
:) Yay for my Republican mommy! The heartland is moving.
l-jockey sez:
RGJoe could craft this flip-flop around his vaunted adherence to personal principles, always invoked when he needs cover for craven opportunism. Remember, his NEW best friends have little tolerance for wiggle on fetal rights, so RGJoe can now delve into his faith to find the answer, and that answer may be that he’s newly PRO-LIFE! That his NEW best friends love him for it is one of those happy coincidences that have furthered RGJoe’s ambition his whole life….
katymine @ 84
Just imaging it is fun….
Joe shouldn’t be around this race furlong.
Ed Teller @ 2:28
Thanks, but having seen Neocon Joe being incapable of maintaining the security of his own website, I’m totally opposed to him being anywhere near the Dept of Defense. I take national security very seriously, and he just doesn’t cut it.
Lamont needs to win in November, and his enemies — the Republicans, the Media, and the old fool whose swollen ego has allowed them to enter the innards of the Democratic party like viruses — need to lose.
That the party leaders in Washington are hedging their bets in case Lieberman wins is cowardice and is unacceptable. No one will trust the Democrats to do their job if they continue to behave like that. Ned’s a great candidate, he can win, and the Democrats need to commit themselves and win.
I’m glad you’ll continue to focus on this race. In particular, that will help counter the dirty tricks the Media are sure to come up with. “Computergate” was a surprise attack at the last minute. It’s much longer ’til November, time enough for such tactics to wither under scrutiny.
From TPM:
Lamont v. Lieberman is a carnival sideshow, a titilating and distracting spectacle. Rove is the carnival barker. So ignore the hoopla and keep moving on down the midway, folks. The main event is still to come, and it will be in places like Montana, Missouri, and Ohio. We’ve come too far to get side-tracked now.
Sounds more like Josh Marshall’s evil pixie/resume polishing alter ego do the talking talking.
The problem with both Josh Marshall and Kevin Drum is that they are both smart enough to know that the Republicans are throughly evil and the CW is crap. However like Bob Somerby over at the Daily Howler says they will knowingly print crap that they do not even begin to believe because they are too scared shittless or deep down craven to burn bridges to the NYT/WAPO editorial board bigtime by placing themselves too outside the CW.
Lieberman has been spouting Roves talking point for a decade now. If not decisively defeated, Lieberman will do untold damage to Democratic hopes in 2008 as a ZELL MILLER on steroids.
Marshall is smart enough to know this!!! Why does he feel the need to echo the MSM CW or do Karl’s work for him?? Once again I do not attribute this to a “raging moderate” political outlook. Marshall is too smart for that. Is it some of that same TNR psuedo-contrarianism masking the workings of a neo-con psyop or is it simply keeping all options open careerism???
Armando closes the circle a little tighter :
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo.....164041/007
Once Josh is back on Monday, I think I’ll write him for a list of “approved” campaigns to which I *should* pay attention.
In all candor though, a party full of Libermans, Schumers, Bidens, Salazars, Feinsteins and Clintons isn’t worth electing. If politicians are going to enact policies antithetical to humanity’s survival regardless of party affiliation, I’d rather face off against the ones who are relatively more honest about their depravity.
This says it all:
G.O.P. Deserts One of Its Own for Lieberman
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08.....ref=slogin
Ed*ard Teller 63 - I think you’ve got it - there must be something Joe wants (and face saving is understandable)… find it, offer it, see what you get…
OT - the Marine base, Camp Pendleton is really blowing some sh*t up today… I’m 20 miles north and don’t usually hear their exercises… wonder what they are gearing up for?
Redshift @ 81
… or those holding the opinions, especially in the face of the utter failure of their latest pet project.
Much unhappiness, this weekend, I imagine, in the Office of Special Plans in the Pentagon. Probably crafting some new “intelligence” about Iran today for Lord Cheney’s consumption on Monday (no intelligence briefings on the Lord’s Day, at least not for the Dictator-tot).
lisa, others here are more astute on this, but here’s why I count Ned’s meeting with Peres a good thing.
Joe’s trying to cloak himself in the Israeli flag is one thing (he always has) — but his trying to paint Ned and/or his supporters as ”anti-Semitic” is just crap. Though ”Israeli” and ”Jewish” are far from the same concept, this bogus shorthand is a political cliche beloved by the Rovians.
I’d a lot druther see Ned meeting and exchanging ideas with PERES than with any other ”name” in Israeli politics, certainly any of the Olmert/Sharon/Likud/Netanyahu/AI*AC crowd that’s just come close to undoing that country’s security (and may in fact have finished the job, whether visibly yet or not). This meeting of reasonable non-wingnuts should appeal greatly to both Jewish and gentile Nutmeggers hungry for some adult supervision in foreign policy for a change.
”Ned-meets-with-Peres” says:
– Peres recognizes Ned as a potential ally, or at least a credible voice of reason, in the Senate-to-be.
– Ned is gaining foreign-policy chops and cred (what OTHER challenger has the once-and-possibly-future Israeli PM asked to meet?).
– Both parties are saying to Joe: siddown and shuddup, loser.
Probably in the time it’s taken me to type this, you’ve read much better answers to your question, but this is mine.
(Just hit Refresh before posting this — gawwwwd, I’m slowwwwww.)
OldCoastie #95:
I have no idea.
Rummy must think they need more training.
A redeployment might be in their future.
No one really knows, though.
I’m a little late to the party, but I agree with everything Jane said, and for anyone who thinks I should write about things that are not at the forefront of the fight to make the Democratic Party a progressive party, I would add #11. Fuck you.
hear, hear Jane…
HEAR, HEAR…
Lieberman is not going away, just like National Security didn’t go away in ‘02. Democrats need to turn this battle into a strength. Otherwise, they are in for a long 2 months.
Here is a perfect opportunity to show some spine and leadership, and Democrats continue to cower away…and people wonder why Republicans buy into the weak Democrat meme…
For goodness sake, be men and women for once and ac