
Joe Conason has a good column up at Salon on the race baiting being done by the Lieberman campaign. Conason points up the hypocrisy of Dan Gerstein characterizing Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson as "divisive" considering Holy Joe’s history with Louis Farrakhan. But it should be noted that this isn’t some one-off comment by Gerstein, it’s part of a larger (and successful) strategy to scare off white voters from Lamont.
Shortly after African-American political leaders like Maxine Waters, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton came to Connecticut stumping for Lamont, polling began to show that they were making some white voters nervous. Predictable. But the response of Joe "great man" Lieberman was to throw oil on the fire.
Lieberman kicked off the race baiting himself:
"Ned Lamont can have Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton," Liebermen said. "I’m proud to have had Bill Clinton, Senator Dodd, Senator Inouye, Senator Salazar and a lot of other great Democrats."
And to make sure everybody heard, Lieberman operative Richard Goodstein was quoted as saying "Are you a Bill Clinton Democrat, or an Al Sharpton democrat?" Because, you know, they can’t be one and the same.
Then just in case the dog-whistle factor was a bit too subtle for the "low information voters" Joe’s race depends on, Ann Coulter was wheeled in to spell it out:
Congresswoman Maxine Waters had parachuted into Connecticut earlier in the week to campaign against [Sen. Joseph I.] Lieberman because he once expressed reservations about affirmative action, without which she would not have a job that didn’t involve wearing a paper hat. Waters also considers Joe "soft" on the issue of the CIA inventing crack cocaine and AIDS to kill all the black people in America.
Conason sums it up quite well:
The Lieberman campaign is trying to frighten white voters in Connecticut — and Democrats in Washington — by reminding them over and over again that Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson support Lamont. This week, the senator’s aides told the New York Times that playing the two African-American preachers off against Lamont will enhance Lieberman’s appeal on an independent ballot line. "Primary night was the first time that many Connecticut voters saw Lamont on TV, and he’s surrounding himself with two of the more divisive and problematic figures in the Democratic Party," said Dan Gerstein, the Lieberman campaign’s communications director.
This nasty little strategy was evidently a successful tactic for the primary — exit polling showed that Lieberman’s Jackson/Sharpton rhetoric had an effect in more conservative white districts and did manage to peel off white voters from Lamont. Which is no doubt why Gerstein is keeping the race baiting alive in the New York Times. Now that Lieberman is openly running as a Republican we probably won’t get a lot more of that "b…b…but Joe marched in 64" mantra; that was pre-August 8 rhetoric.
But let’s remember, Joe Klein said this recently:
Rove has shown a positive genius for organizing campaigns around poisonous trivia. He will question the patriotism of Democrats (and, once again, be aided by those on the noisome left who believe that the U.S. is a malignant, imperialistic force in the world). He will deploy an ugly, stone-throwing distortion of Christian "values," especially against those Democrats who choose not to discriminate against homosexuals. And if things get really desperate, he will play the race card, as Republicans have ever since they sided against the civil rights movement in the 1960s.
I don’t know who is surprised that Lieberman would stoop this low to save his seat — certainly not me. But I think it’s time somebody besides bloggers started asking the question — if Joe is playing the "race card" for November, whose larger purpose is it serving?
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FDL!
ROOTZ!
me-me-me???
us-us-us!!!
Better a 1 than a ZERO. That my story….
It’s lonely at the top.
I noticed on Election Night that Liebermans crowd on the stage behind him was like the GOP Congresscritters — lily white !
I need a key for a musical note. How come there isn’t one?
A Vote for Lieberman is a Vote for Bush!
‘Nuff said…
There’s no way around it.
Lieberman is a fucking gutless slimeball, an amoral perfidious fuck.
I know violence is not the answer, but it’s shit like this that makes me want to grab Joe by the jowls and just pummel the crap out of him.
Just admit you’re a Republican, Joe! Just say it!
pach 9 — Lieberman is a fucking gutless slimeball, an amoral perfidious fuck.
you’re in fine form tonight, my dear.
Wait, did Klein almost say something reasonable? Ignoring the cheap shot against the looney left, of course…
Jane: Any word on Libergirl’s website crash?
and what Pach said.
That, too.
;)
Is the race baiting pervasive and getting worse or is it my lying ears.I am so so sick of the “low info voters” but even more so with the malignant tumor of the media and administration.
I love Ned and support him and what he is doing-”Little Man Whiner” needs to be out on his backside and we need to keep the pressure on the riduculous Dems as they snivel and whine along with him.
Pachacutec @ 8
Pachacutec should be a diplomat — he has such an understated way of expressing himself. Very restrained!
Eli 12 — I know, hard to believe, huh?
Every Party needs a traitor, that’s why we invited you, Joe.
Quoteth Holy Joe: “This is a time to knit the country together more and to make us, as Al Gore always says, the more perfect union that our founders dreamed of.”
Joseph’s dream interpretations mock his biblical namesake. We’re deep into the seven lean years with no grain in reserve. His hidden agenda always looked not to the common need but to his desire to hold onto the knitting needles whatever the cost. As Conason shows, these are sharp needles. Better he should retire and make Hadassah a nice sweater.
To once again borrow a friend’s catchphrase, Joe is a wee tiny of a man.
Kobe! Dreaming of Fiona…
Jane, I cannot tell you how sick it makes me that this stuff is still being dragged out, year after year, campaign after campaign.
If polling shows that Joe’s gutter tactics are working, Ned needs to counter it, and soon. Not by crawling down into the gutter with Joe, but by saying and doing things that peel another “principled” layer off the increasingly thin facade that Joe has been disguising his true self with.
What Ned needs now are the African-American Connecticut Democrats who support him – you know – real, ordinary, actual Connecticut folks who can expose Joe’s hypocrisy and race-baiting for what it is.
I don’t pay much attention to who is of color and who isn’t, because that kind of thing isn’t important to me – and I suspect Ned feels the same way.
G.O.P. Deserts One of Its Own for Lieberman
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08…..ref=slogin
You know you’ve really made it in Wingnuttopia when Ann Coulter’s vouching for you.
Joe Lieberman is just what he appears to be. A vain, contemptible, consummate power addicted politician, whose Achilles heel is his ego, which will be his undoing. Senator Lamont will win this autumn, and come snow-fall, will be the new Senator from Connecticut. This, mister Lieberman, as you have shown by the contempt for the Democratic Party that stood so loyally by you all these past years, will be a defeat that you, of so little decency and class sir, so richly deserve. I shall not wish you fond farewell.
Although I used to crochet, I’d like to knit Joe a fast boat to Iraq.
I suggest go on offense. Ask the Lieberman guy if he can justify one word of his nonsense he uttered over last year on Iraq. Ask if he can explain in 25 words or less what we are staying course for? Ask him exactly what things are getting better? Any evidence he has acceptable (picture, statistics, testimonials from repubable source, ie, not RumDum or anyone associated with Bushco). Then after suitable pause for silence, ask him why he said such dumb things.
Then ask him his deep thinking on all the cloture votes that favored Bushco, followed by meaningless votes against BushCo. Ask the miserable liar if US exec decided appoint Noam Chomsky as UN amb, or negotiator for Israel-Palesitinian conflict if he would be all “whatever the exec wants, deference deference” line. Ask the fool to explain how he is preserving filibuster by promising never to use it. If a Mr Hitler-Stalin-Pol Pot combo came up, what would he do. Ask what looked so good about a Mr. Michael Brown as head of FEMA. Ask him one thing was good about bankruptcy bill. Ask him why them fraudulent fat bankruptcy frauds aren’t rolling into court for the userers to get their money back, as promised. He will answer he voted ‘no,’ so then ask him how stupid he thinks we are.
Oh, hey, and ask him exactly what was that Bushco social security plan anyhoo, that he thought was so great it deserved careful consideration? Was it the part where workers would be forced to invest money at 2% per year into their social security account at 3% per year interest? Yeah yeah, ask him what was so great about that.
OK, maybe he won’t come hear to explain to us why all that was so great. We may not be worthy, since we are only US citizens and voters. So, every progressive blog should have a banner with the questions. And a clock for for minutes/days/months since Old Liar Joe hasn’t said doodle sqaut.
We need a nicname: GOP JOE? Traiter Joe? BushCo Joe? So many choices…
I think what Joe needs is a really large pair of fake boobs to make his campaign complete.
It’s my party,
And I’ll sink it if I want to….
(And no, I don’t mean Goodstein and Gerstein)
I was a shy child. I got over it.
Pach at #9: lol Why don’t you tell us what you really think of Lieberman? Don’t hold back so much.
Where is Barbara Boxer?
Where is Bill Clinton?
Why hasn’t Lieberman been condemned by every democratic official across the country?
Does a democratic party even exist?
The thing about race baiting is that is has to be done with some subtlety, if voters know they are being baited it backfires.
wesgpc’s votinglinks @ 26:
jingojoe?
joepportunist?
*ilson 6 — funny how the minute Joe was running as a Republican, the scene was carefully stage-managed to be “b…b…but Joe marched in ‘64″-free?
Pach – I’m so glad you’ve unleashed your inner grownup!
and the Conason piece deserves as much circulation as possible … esp to all the “Joe’s a good friend” crowd
I guess “Jim Crow Joe” would be a little *too* harsh…
so what’s gotten into Joe Klein? he has actually uttered several coherent thoughts of late (amongst the usual pablum, of course).
Just as Color of Change is demanding that the Repubs drop Allen for his racism, I’d like to see the wishywashy Dems who “won’t cry if Joe is re-elected” called out for their support of a racist.
Sonoma 32 — good question. The person who is most likely to be hit hard by splitting the Democratic party along racial lines is Hillary, who inherited her husband’s big numbers with African-American voters. Don’t ask me to find the link but Conason had a good article about how she didn’t have to run even more to the right because her African-American votes were secure. She’s very conscious of that as she positions herself, you can see it in evidence all the time. That she would let Lieberman flame this kind of divisiveness is puzzling.
I’d like to see a unified statement from the 3 Democratic House candidates who are hoping to unseat Republicans in CT in November. They ought to collectively ask Lieberman to get out of the race, because he will be drawing Republican voters to the polls and making it more difficult for Democrats to win their races in CT.
cosmo @ 41
That’s actually an excellent idea, why hasn’t this happened yet?
Old jingo BushCo GOP Joe needs to explicitly repudiate support from all the GOP wingnuts. By name -Coulter, Rush, Fox frauds, all of them. If Jackson and Sharpton are divisive, then the wingnuts who expressed support for him surely are. Of course, only Jackson and Sharpton are.. you know…
So if Joe won’t repudiate, we must adjucate, and find an appropriate additioinal new nickname: Jim Crow Joe.
Hey, GOP jingo BushCo Jim Crow Joe, how ‘ya doing you pathetic old egotist? Another suggestion: bunco Joe, for bankruptcy and social security bad faith words and deeds.
cosmo,
ain’t no way the egomaniacal git is going to let go of the power he’s attained. Look at him now – selling his party down the river so that he can “bring bipartisanship to the Senate”.
He’s done such a good job of it up to now.
And Hillary looks like she’s trying to do the bare minimum to distance herself from Lieberman, but not the hawkish Dems.
Maybe a ten second spot, with Obama and Bill Clinton saying, “Ned Lamont, my kind of Democrat.”
I said this over at DKos and will do a simple cut and paste here. I think this is important as I realize that Ned is running a “keep it clean campaign.” He still NEEDS preemptive rejoinders. From my DKos post:
You know, it’s getting easier to spot Joe’s rejoinders now and see the direction of his campaign. Now it’s time to also throw him off guard. I think the lobbyist thing is PRIME considering it was Levitt himself who said that Joe single-handedly defeated the options expensing. Have a look at Frontline.
Moreover, Ned is pristine on this issue as he isn’t accepting lobbyist money.
Maybe the next time Joe holds a presser, someone should ask, “Is there any truth to the story that Willie Horton will be making an ad for you?” Joe: (splutter! splutter!) I marched with King in ‘68! Why would you even ask such a reprehensible thing?” Reporter: “Well, you’ve said this: (fill in example) and this (another example). Gerstein said this (yet another), all of which seem to be designed to scare voters using race. It looks like, from the pattern, that it can’t be long before old Willie is resurrected.”
What you’d really hope for is an unscripted Joe-moment, where, in response to being asked if Willie will be making an ad, Joe says something like, “Why? Has he endorsed Lamont?” That might be Joe’s “George Allen” moment.
On the NewsHour tonight, Mark Shields eviserated George Felix Allen Jr for his racist bullshit — I believe he is on our side, and will do the same to Both Ways Joe Lieberman.
Both Ways Joe courts the black vote when it suits his needs;
Both Ways Joe smears African American Leaders when it suits his needs.
Both Ways Joe is a two faced backstabber, who has betrayed the Democratic Party.
Shame on you, Joe Lieberman — Shame.
I guess I’m a white guy that’s been brainwashed by Gilliard, but I was very happy to see Ned a) being able to work with Sharpton and Jackson, and then b) not throw them under the bus on Primary Day. I don’t see too many folks able to do both, and not look fake as all get out. I hate to see candidates desperate to have them work the urban areas, and then act resentful that they needed the help. Take Joe for instance.
Anne @ 47,
LOL! We need Lamont to send one of his supporters who happens to be a minority after Joe with a videocamera.
C’mon, Joe. You know you want to say it.
Well, has anybody asked Gerstein or Loserman directly “Are you a Bill Clinton Democrat?” Loserman said he doesn’t need Sharpton and Jackson, because he has Clinton and Dodd.
But he doesn’t have Clinton and Dodd. Not anymore. They’re supporting the Democratic winner of the Democratic Primary now.
So I ask Gerstein and Loserman: Are you a Bill Clinton Democrat or a Ken Salazar Democrat?
I really think the “Democrats” who won’t endorse Ned believe that they don’t have a dog in the fight. They can “concentrate on my own campaign” unless they have national ambitions, like Hillary. However, I have to wonder who Hillary thinks her “base” is. Because it is not in the netroots, and it sure isn’t in the “center” of the party, and absolutely NOT on the right. So who does that leave? The “Sharpton” democrats? Is she operating under the illusion that she has some popularity? Because the activists in the party (and I use the term VERY loosely, AS IF) are so on to her. And not gonna support her. I totally quit her after her flag burning amendment routine.
Somehow Lamont has to make the Republican slime stick to So’e Loserman. Lieberman cannot be allowed to give anyone the impression that there are two Democrats in the race. Because there is only one party of one, and one Democratic “party.”
watertiger @ 44
from yesterday: Joe = Cyster Sold-ya Down the River
Paging Al Gore: you need to get thee to Connecticut STAT and repudiate your scumbucket of a former running mate.
shoephone @ 52
Zell Miller Democrats, minus most of the spittle-flecked rage.
if Joe is playing the “race card” for November, whose larger purpose is it serving?
Last week I couldn’t see how, given the way party power seems to work in Washington, Lieberman could be stripped of his committee appointments. It’s only one week later and already I’m wondering, how can Reid delay any longer. And now given this race baiting, how can the Big Dog Clinton not come out in active support of Lamont. This is so contrary to Clinton’s message of unity and hope in the future. If Clinton doesn’t stand up and protect and defend those values about which he communicates so well — Then sadly Clinton at last is shown to be only an empty performance — a highly skilled performance, but none the less empty.
Ken Salazar is not the sharpest knife in the drawer; he will figure it out, sooner or later — he too, will miss the train to CT.
I’m going to love it when SNL comes back on and starts doing the Zell Miller guy campaigning for Lieberman.
I really think the “Democrats” who won’t endorse Ned believe that they don’t have a dog in the fight.
I think this is correct. They’ve made the calculation that Joe would caucus with them, and so it will be a Democratic seat no matter what, so why waste time or money on it?
But I think the calculation that Joe will caucus with the Dems is a very shaky one.
But Joe isn’t any kind of Democrat; he’s a Liebermaniac or a Liebermanian – maybe someone should ask him which appellation he prefers…one makes him sound like a lunatic, the other like a breed of little yappy dog.
shoephone @ 51
Oh, see now, Joe’s prepared on that somewhat. I can’t remember where I read it, but when asked about how the big Dems are now supporting Ned, Joe said something to the effect “yeah, well look how far those endorsements got me in the primary.”
I’m telling you, Ned needs preemptive strikes based on viewing what Lieberman says in the press now. Joe has got to be knocked off his prepared talking points.
Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 59
Oh God, I hope so. His rant about how if a tsunami came to his town, he would punch it in the nose and then shoot it was a thing of beauty.
Joe Lieberman is another Zell Miller but without the charming Southern accent . . .
punaise,
Ai-yeee! GMTA.
Being in a musical frame of mind tonight:
I dreamed I saw Joe L last night,
on CNN TV.
Says I “But Joe, you lost the race”
“I never lost” said he,
“I never lost” said he.
“The Democrats, they threw you out,
they kicked your ass” says I.
“Takes more than votes to make me go”
Says Joe “I’ll never die,”
Says Joe “I’ll never die.”
And standing there as big as life
and smiling with his eyes.
Says Joe “What they can never kill
is campaigns based on lies,
is campaigns based on lies.”
From Hartford down to Washington,
and up and down the hill,
where lobbyists defend their rights,
it’s there you find Joe L,
it’s there you find Joe L!
I dreamed I saw Joe L last night,
on CNN TV.
Says I “But Joe, you lost the race”
“I never lost” said he,
“I never lost” said he.
thus quoth the raven: “never Joe”
OK, Joey Low Road. Why don’t you just come right out and target a person of color in the Lamont campaign, and call him or her “Macacca”?
We know that’s what you are thinking.
Besides, it would lend moral support to your good Bush/Coulter Republican Incumbency Party George Felix “Frenchie” Allen, who can’t seem to figure out why some people didn’t appreciate him doing just that.
Joey, are you a “Bill Clinton Democrat” or an “Al Sharpton Democrat”? Personally, I am both. Oh, I am also a “Ned Lamont Democrat.” Do you have a problem with that?
very good percy but what a perversion of a noble American anthem !
Eli @ 59
Geez, does he exactly caucus with them now? Seems to me he prefers to be a go between, like he’s the saviour of the political process.
Would it really matter who he caucused with if he’s neither a Dem nor Repub? Won’t he be a party of one?
Incidentally, WHAT exactly does caucus mean in the strict sense of the Senate?
Joe Lieberman running on a racist platform. And Senate Democrats are going to give this “traitor” his seniority if he manages to defeat the man chosen by Connecticut Democrats as their choice to represent them in the U.S. Senate. Has the Democratic Party become totally devoid of any kind of moral values? The fact that Senate Democrats would tell the Democratic voters of Connecticut to “fuck off” says alot about what has happened to the Democratic Party in recent years.
But Joe Hill might have approved.
Joe is the Phantom of this opera.
Lieberman and his cold-eyed, empty souled minions and GOP cronies have sunk to a new low. They have taken the Rovian course, also known as the easy way to Avernus.
To defeat them, we need to examine the taxonomy of this vicious tactic and develop a practical counter to it because it is never going to go away. It is likely to be a significant factor in the upcoming election.
Like it or not, Ned Lamont is in a very tough race. His primary victory was close, despite his overwhelming positives among Democratic voters. He also had a fabulous ground game, energetic and committed volunteers, and extraordinary media coverage. It was a perfect storm, yet he still won by only 10,000 votes. It was one of the most inspiring victories I have ever been privileged to witness, but as things stand, I don’t believe he can win in November.
The November election is an entirely different dynamic. Media coverage will not, I suspect, be as intense, nor as positive. He must have strong support from Independents if he is to win, and his volunteer base must alter its approach to attract this component of the electorate.
Lieberman is using Rovian smokescreen tactics to obscure his own past and current positions. He is using the Big Lie to smear Lamont. And, he is using the connotations that surround Jackson and Sharpton (especially Sharpton) to undermine Lamont’s core appeal, which is one of universality.
How can he counter this? He needs mainstream Democrats with name recognition to campaign for him, people like John Edwards. He needs to generalize his message, while allowing his surrogates to focus like a laser on Lieberman’s many vulnerabilities.
And, as distasteful as it is to suggest, he must distance himself from the most progressive elements that support him. I will never forget Maxine Waters for her courageous support of Ned when he needed it. But now, she must take on a different role, one less visible. Independents don’t like to believe that they are xenophobic and/or racist, but every poll has shown that these attitudes exist with them. They need to be seduced into Lamont’s camp by big ticket campaign items, while the scary progressives are muted.
That’s my take on it anyway. Your mileage may vary.
percy @ 65
Why did that go off in my head sung to the tune of Gilligan’s Isle?
I have been thinking of asking some of the great Democrats in elected office downticket in our state, to jointly write and sign a letter and send it to CT newspapers listing democratic values and why Lamont has them, why democrats should support the Democrat selected by democrats in CT, how important it is to elect Democrats with democratic values to Congress and the Senate.
Do you think it is beneficial to do something like this? Because if the national Democrats won’t do it, wouldn’t it be great if other elected Democrats step up? I think we should promote the values that were traditionally Democratic party values, even if the Democrats elected at the national level have forgotton what it meant to be a Democrat/democrat back in the day. You know, before money took all their values away?
Occasionally, the present state of our country becomes so crystal clear to me and I just want to scream:
WHAT THE FUCK HAS BECOME OF MY COUNTRY!!!!!!!!
It’s amazing how things have changed. There was a time in the fifties and 60’s when African-Americans and Jewish people felt a common bond as a result of some shared injustices. Seems this bond began breaking down and the first drops of poison was put into the well during the Nixon years. It’s pretty much historical that Nixon had no use at all for Jews and Blacks. Or for that matter any other non-wasp ethnic peoples. And it’s for sure Reagan had no ethnic sensitivity. And as for Bush, he has written off Blacks and simply uses the Israeli government and American Jews to further his decrepit and crass foreign policy objectives in the Middle East.
Sharon W @ 46 – I think those are excellent debate pointers. Get yourself over to the Lamont campaign. They can use your input. One caveat: I wouldn’t have Ned bring up Farakkan’s name at all. Ever. He is such an incendiary figure that trying to taint your opponent with him can only backfire. But you’re right that Ned should draw the obvious conclusion about HoJo’s relationship to civil rights and Jackson: HoJo is such a fucking hypocrite! (I think Pach would have said that, anyway)
Miro @56 -
I think Reid needs to hear from us, but rest assured, there’s a lot going on behing the scenes of the Dem leadership. They have their eyes on the prize and want to see a “51″ in their column come November 8th. That being said, there’s a lot of rumor out there lately that Senate leadership really wants to strip HoJo of his seniority. They’re trying to finagle how. We should keep on Reid – but remember to be respectful and polite with him. He needs our support as much as we need his leadership. We’ve got to find a way to convince him of that.
just saw a promo for This Weak… seems Kerry will be on and may be giving Egocrat Joe Liarman a piece of his mind…
In no particular order: thx all for your kind reaction to my latest anti-nuclear rant.
Imm, your comment/love/words of encouragement have probably saved the lives of 100 newborns. Seriously. If you encourage someone who is always on the edge of quitting, you keep them going. And if you think I would never quit you aren’t keeping up with Late Night Crises R Us.
By the weirdest of coincidences our family actually knows the young man who was the target of Allen’s racist venom.
I look a little like K. Harris but without any surgery. Don’t hate me for it.
I told you it was weird.
And yes I have no life, am waiting for the hour when we pass 17,000,000 visits.
Blacks are the most reliable Democratic voting block : 90% — this followed by the Jewish and GLBT voters : 75% Democratic . . .
The Republicans will make sure Hillary gets the nomination just as they are making sure Joe gets his ego stroked in this ridiculous fiasco. All these knuckleheads are being played. And Holy Joe and his pals keep trying to paint Ned as the interloper. It’s got Rove’s fingerprints all over it.
Geez, does he exactly caucus with them now? Seems to me he prefers to be a go between, like he’s the saviour of the political process.
Would it really matter who he caucused with if he’s neither a Dem nor Repub? Won’t he be a party of one?
Incidentally, WHAT exactly does caucus mean in the strict sense of the Senate?
Caucuses in the sense of “is counted with the Democrats in determining which party is in the majority” – the same way that Jeffords caucuses with the Democrats even though he’s an Independent.
Should Lieberman win, and I trust he won’t, he should caucus with the Republicans.
True colors, and like that.
Joe Klein sez:
The U.S isn’t a “malignant, imperialistic force in the world”?
Oh yeah, I almost forgot the “truth” is totally irrelevant in American political discourse in the era of Rove!
The smoking gun – Mann Coulter was right, the Big Dog is gay (and masochistic) if he let JoMo have his way with him!
Mark K @ 73
The survey also said that 52 percent of Americans believe there should be a timetable for withdrawing U.S. troops, while 41 percent believe there should not be.
Bush’s overall job approval rating was at 37 percent, which is in the danger zone for a president whose party is seeking to retain control of the U.S. Congress in the November election.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/200….._iraq_dc_4
Bush’s bullsh*t that the war on terror includes Iraq isn’t working. That, IMO, is the key to this race.
each party caucuses regularly for lunch at noon on Tuesdays when the Senate is in session …
I ♥ Al Gore, by the way.
Let’s send Joe beyond the Caucus mountains.
Ural washed up, Joey.
can’t stand to watch Himalaya it on so thick.
Maybe some of these Democrats who have announced support for Joe should be reminded how Joe’s race-baiting is going to look when they come up for re-election…
I mean can’t you hear that narrator with “the voice” saying, “When Joe Lieberman decided to ignore the will of Connecticut Democrats in the primary election, where was (Mary Landrieu/Ken Salazar/Tom Carper, etc)? Right by his side, endorsing and supporting him. When Joe Lieberman was using Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson and Maxine Waters to scare the voters of Connecticut away from Ned Lamont, what did those same Democrats have to say about those tactics? (Crickets chirping).”
An appeal to self-interest may be the ticket, since the greater good of the party apparently isn’t enough.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 77
We are on the same frequency. Earlier today I was thinking about exactly that, and thinking I should do some in-depth research on it. It’s a very relevant issue and I think we need more analysis of it.
Joe is a caucusucker, actually.
I’ll let George Allen call him a macaucus…
HoJo: mole, or mold?
there’s a caucus so raucus
there’s a fungus among us
shoephone @ 78
Why thanks, I’m working on it. I have connections to the campaign as well as Sharpton and Jesse.
However, I disagree on the Farakkan thing. You would NOT BELIEVE how pissed off people got about Joe’s involvement, especially the Jewish. People have short memories. They need to be reminded that Joe is a panderer and NOT the committed to principles sort. Did you read the second page of the Conanson article? WHOA! Everybody and every group was outraged by that incident. They need reminding.
It’s called digging up the real dirt versus fabricated crap on your opponent, but using it judiciously. With a little thought it could easily be inserted into the proper context.
Someone needs to say it. Voters are tired of our votes not being counted. And even when they are counted, they don’t count.
Glad to see some one else thought of Jim Crow Joe. I don’t see at all why it would be too harsh if Lieberman does not explicitly repudiate, by name, all the reactionary wingnuts who have expressed support. In fact, I think it would be a rather mild and charitable nickname.
As for caucus with Democrats? Cautious Democratic party man me says, ‘yeah, gotta get a majority and throw a roadblock in front of the BushCo madness by any means necessary, even if it means putting up with the contemptible hypocrite Lieberman.’ On other hand, when I consider damage BushCo can do with Lieberman’s help over next two years, I think “Caucus, schmauckus, so what?” I think other sitting Democrats should think about that too.
But, problem is that Lieberman’s course over last few months, and especially since he realized he might lose primary, shows that he really is bad news. He has already caused great damage to the country while caucusing with Democrats. As an independent, will Dems party have ability to slap him down when he betrays is supposed progressive principles, or common decency? They didn’t when he was a Democrat, so how could they if he is an independent. This sanctimonious egotistical self-righteous slimey lying ponce will run off and do some political publicity stunt to pave the way for BushCo crimes. If results are bottom line, then getting rid of him is as important as getting rid of other GOP office holders. That means hard row to hoe over next two months for getting a chamber, but I cannot talk myself out of the bottom line. Lieberman has become a mortal enemy to any truly moderate, let alone liberal or progressive agenda. Unless of course you are a very simple minded person and look at cooked and gamed floor vote records and cannot think. Then a case might be made for this political bottom feeder -but that is political fantasy league game, not reality.
I think it is necessary to pay attention to other races, and not obsess over Liberman, but no question that his hypocrisy and bad faith actions need to be mercilessly highlighted from here on out.
Traitor Joe has got to go!
cosmo @
41
This is war. Joe’s made it clear whose side he is on, and it’s not on the side of the Democratic Party. The time for “asking” HoJo to do anything has passed. He’s dead to us, and he ought to be dead to Harry Reid. The guy should lose all his committee assignments immediately — especially since he’s now doing business with a Republican pollster.
BTW, is he going to the DNC meeting tomorrow? I doubt it.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore @ 88
it’s time for us to throw Joe out of the Democratic ♣
Now that Punaise and Eli have started going at it, I guess I can go off topic with a movie review – Snakes on a Plane. I regret to inform you that SoaP completely, absolutely, totally, and unreservedly SUCKED ASS. I expected a ridiculous, tedious “plot” and superficial character development, so I and was not disappointed in that respect. I was, however, hoping for some good snake footage. Unfortunately, the snake stuff was largely fake and unrealistic – Lots of second rate plastic animatronic snakes, and computer generated snakes. Most of the live snake actors were harmless varieties; corn snakes and milk snakes (which they tried to pass off as the similarly marked coral snake, although the did have some real corals). They also sped up the snakes’ movement so you couldn’t identify markings. I did make out sidewinders, a monocled cobra, mangrove snakes, and rattlers, including western diamondbacks. No sign of the spectacular Gaboon viper shown in trailers. Some kids in the audience seemed to enjoy the movie as camp, and snake-o-phobes were duly frightened.
As for caucus with Democrats? Cautious Democratic party man me says, ‘yeah, gotta get a majority and throw a roadblock in front of the BushCo madness by any means necessary, even if it means putting up with the contemptible hypocrite Lieberman.’ On other hand, when I consider damage BushCo can do with Lieberman’s help over next two years, I think “Caucus, schmauckus, so what?” I think other sitting Democrats should think about that too.
As I understand it, being the majority party, even nominally, is a huge deal. It would give the Democrats control of the legislative agenda, a majority on, say, the Judiciary and Intelligence Committees, and even, dare I think it, subpoena powers.
All that being said:
A) I’m not convinced that Joe actually will caucus with the Democrats.
B) I’d still much rather see an actual Democrat in that spot, who votes with the Democrats as well as caucusing with them.
Please guys, look at the CT electorate in demographic terms. CT has several cities, New Haven, Hartford, Bridgeport, with very poor inner cities beset by drug gangs (African American and Latino) poor schools, High Unemployment, and all the rest. If they vote, they vote Democratic. But traditionally, they are also attached to Lieberman — he gets more proportional support there than he does among indies and liberals from the middle class, and the employed and better educated.
The largest ethnic group in CT is Italians. They have been migrating Republican for some time — note the Waterbury Mayor indicted and convicted as a pedophile a few years back. There is a white ethnic block in the Republican Party largely organized during the Nixon years — as part and parcel of the same Southern Strategy. It is not overtly racist — but it is not all that much interested in empowering the inner cities described above. By playing the Jackson/Waters/Sharpton race card early in the game — Lieberman is playing to this crowd. Yes — one can condemn that, but the audience here are the 3rd and 4th generation Immigrants who twenty-five years ago were Conservative Democrats living in the same houses in the inner cities now occupied by black and brown folk. They don’t want to go back or really even associate. Thus the move out of the cities and into the arms of the Republicans.
Lamont has to carefully use a knife to cut into this. You get no votes by calling folk racist — none, believe me. But you also don’t get votes by ignoring the question. Lamont’s challenge is to find language, issues and all that point away from the fears and clevages of the past and into a more positive vision.
Eli @ 83
Damn, then I guess it is important. That sucks. I thought it was more like counting on conferring and voting with the Dems. So the prick could actually determine who the freakin’ majority party is?
LindaR #97: I agree. I posted an item from DailyKos on what GOP did to Wayne Morse when he went from GOp to indepedent. That is a good precdent. Joe said himself he aint a Democrat no more. Strip him of every thing. If Reid wants to let new caucus reconsider after November, fine. But no reason to let this traitor to keep them now.
My motto: No mo’ Joe.
Mea Culpa:
Reading between the lines of this new AP story tonight, it appears I jumped the gun on part of a Libby case comment I made 8/16 (in Christy’s morning Rove thread and in a Coulter thread):
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..cia_leak_1
I had not seen any sign of the Libby 7/11 Motion to Compel further PDB discovery filing on the internet, nor any sign of a government response by 7/31 or the 8/9 Libby reply. But it sounds like all that must have transpired after all, and today, Judge Walton denied Libby’s motion.
Today’s Order is also not on-line, so it’s possible it is in reference to a different, CIPA matter of some sort, but it doesn’t sound like it. And it comports with Libby’s m.o. that he pursued this to the bitter end this way without coming to agreement with Fitzgerald and the CIA as I’d (mistakenly it appears) assumed had happened.
This would be the tail-end of the graymail effort by Libby (in this round) which the Judge ruled on today, if I’m reading the short news article correctly. [The guessing game as to ongoing developments in this case is getting pretty hopeless, at this point, with the now almost complete lack of media coverage of case developments.]
-ck- @
48
WOW… I see a float in the works… A big head of Joe with two faces….. and those lines…
Both Ways Joe
When I was a kid, they used to sell these male military action-figure dolls called “G.I. Joe.”
What does “G.I. Joe” stand for in 2006?
Gutless Ingrate Joe?
Gooper-”Independent” Joe?
?
Damn, then I guess it is important. That sucks. I thought it was more like counting on conferring and voting with the Dems. So the prick could actually determine who the freakin’ majority party is?
Yep. If all the other races break just right, Joe could very well be the 51st vote that puts the Democrats over the top. It does not give me a warm fuzzy feeling.
Jim Grow Joe –Go, Go, Go (away)
Jim Crow Joe is real catchy and right on. Much more resonant and accurate than the obligatory “anti-war candidate Ned Lamont.”
neurophius @ 107
Gastro-Intestinal Joe? He does have his head up his ass, after all.
wesgpc’s votinglinks @ 103
absolutely!
op99 @ 99
It’s not totally off topic. We’ve been discussing Snakes on a Campaign.
Actually, “Gigolo Joe” kinda works, and would totally sew up the People-Who-Saw-A.I. vote.
Hey Benedict Joe!
Hey Joe Backstabberman!
Hey Joe Leaverman!
May you lose badly in November.
I would just like to see someone in the Senate for whom there is a straight line back to the people he (or she) represents.
Who understands that at best, the seat is rented, and there is no option to buy.
Whose focus is not shifted by the smell of money.
Who actually gives a damn about the underlying principles and ideals this country was founded on, and who has a commitment to making sure there is no further erosion of that foundation.
Who sees people – not races or genders or sexualities.
Who does not think peace is achieved through war.
Who does not think prosperity is achieved through the impoverishment of others.
Who believes healthy, educated people are productive people.
It’s not much, really, but it’s what I want.
Greedy Incompetent Joe.
Eli #100: yeah, I know. Problem is that Joe has done radioactive stuff that would nullify a Democratic majority, unless that majority was large enough so it would still exist after Joe was cut loose. I understand and share your concern, but when I think about what he has done (the stunt blocking work on better Iraq resolution, giving BushCo social security scam cover, very nasty and frickin habitual Senate voting dishonesty, gang of 14) and now that he has shown how low he can go, I guess I figure a one vote majority wth Joe being one of those votes will be about the same as now wrt to results. If stuff like possible additional Mideast war were not in BushCo gameplan, I might think differently.
Anyway, now, attacking BushCo and attacking Jow about the same thing, so might as well go for it. After what Lieberman has said and done over last month, how can an honest political campaign distinguish between the two? That is not a rhetorical question. Seems to me that a good campaign against both Lieberman and Chafee would use same ads, same arguemnts, appeal to same voters.
punaise
And ‘e’s a loser, too!
Let’s Alp him off the stage.
percy @ 111
Indeed. I think of Joe as a milk snake, because he will eat his own kind.
Eli #100: yeah, I know. Problem is that Joe has done radioactive stuff that would nullify a Democratic majority, unless that majority was large enough so it would still exist after Joe was cut loose.
I’m not talking about actual votes, I know Joe would be as useless as he’s always been. I’m talking about who controls the *mechanisms* of the Senate. Subpoena power alone would be unbelievably huge, as would control of the Judiciary and Intelligence committees (unless Joe’s on them, in which case they’ll still have a Republican majority).
Again, I want Joe to lose as much as anyone else here – I’m just trying to explain what I think the Democratic establishment’s calculus is here. I think they’re going to treat Joe with kid gloves because they’re worried that he’ll caucus with the Republicans if they wound his widdle ego.
Joe has entered his own realm of fucktitude with his actions.
If prominent democrats don’t act up against this fucktard, heads should/might roll.
What is the problem?
This guy is a turncoat and should be treated as such.
I am appalled.
Is there any leadership left in the Democratic Party?
If not…let’s kick all of them out.
Russ, Reid, Kerrey et. al. should all be screaming right now for nacho Lieberman’s withdrawal.
WTF?
First of all, I think Ned’s going to win. Nobody thought he could beat Joementum at first. But he did. Second, I really believe Lieberloser will jump parties and become an open Republican in the unlikely event of his win.
I am certainly no expert in the parliamentary system, but this article sure makes it sound appealing. Wouldn’t it be great to be able to get rid bad presidents when called for rather than having to wait every four years? I wonder if it would be easier or harder to get truly representative representatives?
Anyway, it’s going to be fun watching Tony Blair go down because of his love affair with Bush.
“Jim Crow Joe”
I like it.
I can’t agree more with the people asking where the heck Ned is. Did he expect a game of rocks-scissors-paper with joe?!? Is he in shock, wondering what to do now? This is bare knuckles. If he doesn’t have the courage to get in the damn ring and start swinging (which almost every damn Dem in every major race over the last few years has avoided…), he’s toast.
He’s got a chance to show everyone else that you gotta get bloody if you’re going to win against extremist right wing scumbags like lieberman. He will win if he swings at joey every time joey swings at him.
My very first kos diary, please go over and recommend to prevent WWIII? No pressure :)
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/8/18/2310/72999
You guys had it here first. Fdl first and foremost, always.
My head is going to explode like in the movie “Scanners.”
My frustration level at that dishonest piece of shit Loserman and the lack of balls on the part of the so-called leaders of the Democratic Party is at an all-time high. I guess the only consolation is that we got time before November. Still, somebody needs to put a political contract out on Traitor Joe.
Is anybody here from Connecticut who can tell us what is happening on the ground?
Is Loserman making any public appearances?
Is anyone showing up?
Is The Kiss Float in action?
Sara @ 101
Nicely put.
timm0, nothing makes a candidate look worse than what you are suggesting, “start swinging.”
Have you read all the comments about Zell Miller?
We need Ned’s supporters to attack Joe.
“where the heck Ned is”
Did you see Ned on FACE THE NATION, POX News, Larry King, Tweety, the WSJ editorial page op-ed, ….? It doesn’t look to me as though he is hiding.
Are you in CT?
I hate to say this, but the more we concentrate on Joe–and I hate Joe and all he stands for–the more we are distracted from TAKING a GOP seat. This is a Demo seat and, as much as we want Joe out, we want GOOPERS out more.
Karl is laughing at us.
op99 @
118
Na…. Joe is a Sidewinder…. Sidewinder
katymine @ 132
I thought he was a gopperhead.
SusanD #121 -
Agreed. Ned Lamont is a bit of a sleeper candidate. Opponents underestimate him at their peril.
and timm0 #124 – Ned was on the Ed Schultz radio show yesterday while also campaigning with John Edwards in New Haven, he was on Wolf Blitzer’s Situation Room today, and I believe this was also the day he traveled to Burlington, VT to campaign with Pat Leahy, Bernie Sanders, and other VT candidates at DFA. His schedule is available on the net if you’re curious, and he’ll be out and about in CT this weekend. Seems to me he could hardly fit in much more, and still manage to find time to sleep. In short, he’s basically doing it all right now. Wouldn’t it be nice if he had a Democratic Party behind him?
Eli @ 132
Eli NAILS it!
Anne @ 114
Hear, Hear. It’s not much really, but would sure be a giant step in the right direction. Thanks for summing it up so clearly Anne.
Peterboy @ 130 — There is that. But I think the discussion over Joe serves a purpose beyond that little man. It’s focusing a lot of rage/frustration we feel out here in the trenches on the DLC wing of the party that is destroying us. It’s shining the light all round and forcing the leadership of the Democratic Party to come clean and state for the record where they stand.
I think the Lieberman question is valuable as a diagnostic tool; a person’s position — and even lack of position — on Joe tells me all I need to know in order to decide whether to support that person or not.
For me, someone who doesn’t actively work to defeat Joe Lieberman — and I mean in November, but I also mean from today forward — isn’t a real Democrat. And I won’t give a dollar of my money or an hour of my time to fake Democrats ever again.
Peterboy @ 130
CT will not elect the (R) canidate (gold or schlesinger 8) )
I’m simply pissed at the Refucklicans attempt at helping nacho libreman being elected w/their help.
Color it any way you want, Ned is needed for this hapless senate.
“You get no votes by calling folk racist.”
IMO, African Americans can’t call anyone else racist, unless they have the “n” word on tape.
IMO, it’s the responsibility of European Americans to talk about the history of legalized white supremacy that plagued our country until King, Malcom X, and other got LBJ to pass the Civil Rights Legislation in the 60’s. Just talking accurately about the history, I think really helps. It also doesn’t threaten voters so much in 2006. I think Ned could talk about Jim Crow laws, and/or lynching and not lose too many European American votes.
I agree, however, he shouldn’t call Joe a racist directly. I think the code words in 2006 are “inclusive” and “universal health care.”
BTW, I really appreciate your terrifically informative posts over at tnh.
IMO, African Americans can’t call anyone else racist, unless they have the “n” word on tape.
Can you elaborate on this?
Johnny Drama @ 120 -
“Fucktitude”.
;-)
Peterboy @ 130
So true. The general election in November is nation wide (not just CT), no do overs.
Ned can neutralize this issue by pointing out Lieberman’s civil rights achievements and saying, “Senator Lieberman and I happen to agree on this issue, and I applaud his work with the African-American community.”
Waa-laa! Lieberman’s race card foolishness won’t work anymore.
And that way, they can get back to debating real issues.
Like, say, whether Lamont is an al Queda member.
Peterboy @ 130
Peterboy, Karl has been laughing for the last six years. He’s got a red Senator pretending to be a Democrat in one of the blueest states in the Union. It’s the deep blue character of CT voters that makes Joe such an abomination.
Oh, they’re listening. One of the number one gripes about Lieberman HERE IN CT has been his inaccessibility.
They just ran the “have you seen Joe” ad, again.
Honestly, they’ve been 100% on their ad usage and topics.
In November 2000, I was saddened to discover my own naivete in thinking that voters were choosing the politicians. I will never forget the radio interview with the Bush staffer, when told that Florida had been declared for Gore (about 7:20 pm). The Bush staffer declared flatly “That’s not right.” There was no earnest, “We think we’ll pull it out” or “Wait until all the votes are counted.” There was just this flat tone of certainty that sent chills up my spine.
All that month, I waited for some lip service from the Bush crowd about “the will of the people” or some such. Nothing. At the time, I was angry at Nader for equating the two parties. I’m still mad at him, for there is a world of difference between a President Gore and a pretender like Bush.
But, I’m also sadly discovering anew, in the wake of the Lamont win, that Nader was more right than he knew (though, in fact, his actions did more to consolidate the similarities than anything else). They are all more anxious to preserve their own power and condescend to citizens than to be part of any great democracratic experiment in self-governance.
I want to grab them all by the scruffs of their grimy little necks and make them see the world we live in. I want them to sit down in and fill out the myriad of meaningless paperwork for scraps of healthcare. I want them to be caught in Catch-22’s of health care. Or better, their children, who need mental health care, in a system that shoves them out.
I want to bully them on planes and make them stand on street corners in all the countries of the world and explain to intelligent citizens of this globe, people full of common sense and good will, why in hell they have squandered America’s vision for the trinkets in their own pockets and a fistful of fear.
Thank you all for working hard, in spite of the roadblocks your representatives put in your way.
I am itching to put that Both Ways Joe Float. Yep…. Joe with two faces…. following the Old Joe tired Tomorrow tour …
~First I was a Democrat but now….
~First I marched in 64 but now I am ReThug racist
So what is it with the ReThug racist underware showing lately?
Help me explain that the whole British Airline terror spin was a reaction to the Lieberman loss…. can’t put it into a phrase that the low information Dem would understand…
Just who is Joe Lieberman?
Sara @ 7:46 pm (#101) – Good points, especially about calling people racists. You can often call public figures racists if they really deserve the label, but the instant you do it to just about anyone who doesn’t think of himself as a racist you’ve lost the argument.
My own theory is that the reason this is happening is because they can’t credibly use fear of outsiders (in this case, Islamic terrorists) without answering the question “You’ve been in power for six years, and what have you actually done about them?”. Fear of gays is apparently passe’ this year, so we’re left with fear of negroes. It’s an old theme, but a reliable one. It will motivate some folks to come out and vote Republican where they normally wouldn’t bother. There’s probably no stronger correlation between an ethnic group and a political party in this country than there is between black people and the Democrats, so fear of black people really does connote fear of Democrats.
I am itching to put that Both Ways Joe Float. Yep…. Joe with two faces….
Jonus.
Seems to me that Connecticut’s urban areas are ripe for plucking out of Joe’s hands, and that it’s going to take some creative campaigning to help people see that a vote for Joe is a vote against their interests.
What do the cities want/need, and what has Joe done for them? How have his votes hurt these areas?
We’re fighting them in Connecticut so we don’t have to fight them here!
#128 and #101: I agree. Better to combine racism with hypocrisy: Joe thinks Jackson and Shparton are divisive, but Rushbo and Coulter not, support from BushCo OK.
Better yet, direct attack on FibCo Joe on wide front. Not Iraq resolution vote, but dangerous nonsense he has spouted all year. Fact that he is de facto part of BushCo now -especially jingo Joe’s support of Bushco militarism, which is unpopular now. Add bunco Joe’s dishonesty with regard to social security, bankruptcy, reproductive rights, and judicial appointments. Add dishonesty and hypocrisy of his whole behavior in Senate -he’s with BushCo on critical votes, followed by meaningless votes in opposition. Recently his whole posture as a Democrat in opposition to ruling party is one big fat very conscious and intentional Big Lie. FlubCo Joe’s support of BushCo while BushCo mangled and politicized Lieberman’s Departemnt of Homeland Security idea.
Attack attack attack. As some have pointed out, this approach may not be best tactical inside baseball political moves. But sometimes one is forced to forget that.
Remember, all this trouble is because of treason to Democratic party by Mr. sanctimonious, dishonest siimeball Joe Lieberman himself. For goodness sake, we had An Up and Down Vote, a Free Election. He chose not to honor Democratic party voters’ choices. He decided he is not part of Democratic Party anymore. That may be a difficult fact to face, facing it may be disheartening because it means campaign tasks ahead are more difficult. But he declared himself, we understand who he is now. It was his choice. He has declared himself to be 100% bad news for Democrats, for anyone who opposes policies of BushCo. That is a fact, and plenty of evidence around to make case in 30 second commercials.
And again, some one tell me how Democrats can wage an honest campaign againt BushCo policies and BushCo dishonesty and hypocrisy, against the weak hypocritical ‘moderate” GOP nothings, without going against the most abject, contemptible, hypocritical sanctimonious, self-righteous, dishonest, egotisitical, selfish, self-serving, treacherous, wrongheaded, callous, bloodthristy, irresponsible and blind jerk I can remember seeing in the Democratic party? Tell me how. I do not understand.
I wanted to go along with tolerating this guy if it meant a majority, but not anymore. Not after his primary loss and his treachery -which is what it is. Can he name one reason why he is not a Republican in word and deed right now? That is the clincher, he stands for nothing related to Democratic policies. Lieberman’s whole political existence right now is a Big Lie, might as well say so.
theExile @ 8:29 pm (#151) – We’re fighting them in Connecticut so we don’t have to fight them here!
I think of this as a target of opportunity.
Cujo359 @ 148 – In my neck of the desert, it is fear of “Brown” people. The day after 911, some nutcake was driving around shooting Seaks because they were “ragheads”.
Hi, firepups. A picture in honor of Jane’s post.
I have Richard Goodstein on video saying what he’s quoted in the TPM article. It’s definitely a Joe talking point (although, he really doesn’t have Bill Clinton any more).
http://ctbob.blogspot.com/2006…..istic.html
The longer they wait, the more a disgrace the Clintons become in regards to the Lamont/Lieberman race.
Bill should have IMMEDIATELY dusted HoJo off as a fifth columnist. By his pregnant pause, Bill and Hillary are showing their true colors. Don’t forget that Bill is now Bush senior’s favorite Democrat. They chum around a great deal these days, golf and wining and dining in Kennebunkport, and raising funds for any and all world catastrophises. Hell, Bush Senior won’t even appear in public with his own son, like he does with Bill Clinton.
Talk about DLC challenged morals, so much for “Big Dog” and doing the right thing in a timely fashion.
John Casper @ 143
Hey, John
I think Peterboy has a good point. If we focus on CT to the exclusion of every other race (and face it, we are), to prove a point, Karl wins. It’s one race among many.
NZ Expat at #145.
One-person standing ovation happening here.
Had to send Ned another $100 bucks cause I’m
so sick of Lieber/Bush. He’s just gotta go!
We HAVE to win this one folks!
I think Peterboy has a good point. If we focus on CT to the exclusion of every other race (and face it, we are), to prove a point, Karl wins. It’s one race among many.
On the other hand, endorsements are free. Calls for Joe to step aside are free. Removal of Joe’s seniority and committe seats are free. None of these things divert one single resource from any other Democratic race.
Joe’s the guy who wears the belt and the suspenders, just in case one or the other fails.
He’s the guy who separately tells two friends that each is his BEST friend.
He’s the guy who sits in the back of the room when a show of hands is called for so that he can see which side is going to win before he puts up his own hand.
He’s the guy who accepts two invitations for the same night and goes to the one he thinks is the better one.
He’s the guy who’s always saying “me, too” because he’s never the first one to step forward.
He’s the guy who, when asked “What do you think about this?” will say, “Well, I’m really interested in what this person or that person thinks.”
I can’t stand people like this in my ordinary, day-to-day life, and I sure as hell don’t want them in positions of power in Washington.
how about we send money to webb to beat that asshat from VA.–george allen
“Can you elaborate on this?”
Not succinctly.
European Americans in the U.S. for the most part don’t have to deal with ethnicity, it’s like being a fish in water. Any American of any ethnicity, other than European American, has to deal with it.
Often (99.99% of the time)times in my experience, when African Americans start talking about the discrimination they experience in 2006, European Americans simply decry it as “over sensitivity.” African American quickly use credibility in these kinds of discussions.
OT IMHO, Affirmative Action is not a huge help in all areas. Too often it results in unqualified people being put in positions for which they are not qualified. That hurts everyone.
I would much prefer some kind of repayment for The Debt to the descendents of the slaves. Talking about it would be a good start, but I strongly suggest Ned not start until after he is elected. Cash payments won’t happen for awhile, but some attempts, in terms of health care (until we get universal coverage), and easier access to adult education make sense. It would be trying to take into account in a reasonable way what African Americans in the U.S. are born into.
Regarding focusing on CT to exclusion of other races: I agree. How to sqaure the circle? Unified attack on anyone who supports Bushco. Fact it, this is about BushCo. This is about Congress owned by BushCo. How can you honestly attack others who support BushCo without supporting Lieberman?
Mayb most adds should place Bush Cheney and RumDum at the head. Or playing cards for most wanted liars, goofups and incompetents in US politics. Jr, Shooter and RumDum would be Aces of spades, hearts and diamonds. We can make Hastert Ace of clubs. Everyone else would be in the deck. Lets see. Three bigshots, 1/2 of 430 odd in House, 33 and 1/3 Senators. So, every add is the the. So, the 240 odd most wanted, plus jingo, Jim Crow bunco GOP BushCo Joe.
katymine @ 8:31 pm (#154) – You mean Sihks? Or was that a joke I didn’t catch?
Anyway, there’s certainly lots of fear of Ayrabs, It’s just that right now, I just don’t see how that “logically”, if one could use that term very loosely, translates into votes for Republicans. They’ve been in power for the last six years, and have had control of at least one house of Congress since, who, Nixon? I just think that fear of black people has a stronger association with the Republicans, or perhaps it’s better to say against the Democrats.
Of course, predicting how, or even if, the random firing of the few neurons these folks have left will translate into thought is probably a crazy person’s avocation, but that’s what I think.
Anne @ 162 -
That Hojo scenario actually reminds me a lot of junior high school.
I hated junior high school.
re #105, Sorry, meant:
How can you honestly attack others who support BushCo without *attacking* Lieberman?
Often (99.99% of the time)times in my experience, when African Americans start talking about the discrimination they experience in 2006, European Americans simply decry it as “over sensitivity.” African American quickly use credibility in these kinds of discussions.
Thanks for the clarification, John – I suspected you meant something like that.
Eli @ 161
I hear you, still though. The effort here has been to narrowly focused (in the last week). The CT primary is over
Adapt to win ; )
Eli @ 161
I completely agree!
The battlefront for control of the Senate started with the Jon Tester race then Lamont/Lieberman race. Getting rid of Lieberman is an important milestone for the grassroot supported candidates. This is the beginning of the wave…. the movement of the people supported candidates.
Kicking Joe’s butt out of office completely is That important.
shoephone – yeah, I was getting that myself!
And ditto on hating junior high…wouldn’t do THAT over again if you paid me!
Thanks Cujo359… always been spelling challanged… to my mothers great shame….
Remember the Dustin Hoffman flic filmed in Texas north (Alberta) – the sequel is finally out and it is called Little Small Man starring Jim Crow Joe Liarman. Early reviews suggest it rates thousands of thumbs down (thumbs dipped in purple paint).
Just thought of two ideas for anti Joe pro Ned ads. One plays on the stained fingers symbolizing the arrival of democracy in Iraq only it’s thumbs and they’re all pointing down to represent Jim Crow Joe’s betrayal of democracy in Connecticut.
The other is probably too subtle and would require those old enough to remember to actually remember something. But Dustin Hoffmans’s character in Little Big Man (like our later day Little Small Man) continually changed persona throughout his 100 year lifetime (as he tells it on his deathbed). For awhile he was a cowboy, then an Indian, then a cavalryman and so on as he personally experienced the history of the West from all sides. The film was based on the novel by Thomas Pynchon.
The solo acoustic blues guitar soundtrack by John Hammond Jr. kicked butt big time, too!
Eli @ 27
Why? Holy Joe’s cause sure doesn’t seem to lack for fake boobs already…
Why? Holy Joe’s cause sure doesn’t seem to lack for fake boobs already…
No, he only employs real boobs.
shoephone, if you’ve ever heard Dane Cook, he does a whole bit about the one person in the group that no one really likes, but who the group can never seem to get rid of. This person will show up even if no one calls to tell him what the rest of the group is going to do. And if he is with the group, he will never be the first one to leave…
First you chide people for voting for Nader then you push to split the Democratic Party. Now Lieberman has a double digit lead. Kudos.
Okay, more local news. The front page headline of the Hartford Courant today is “Would Party Forgive Joe?” Subheadline “Joe says party can count on him, but would it be vice versa?”
It shows the graph with Joe’s plummeting ratings with Dems and his rocketing ratings with Repubs and also has the pic of the Edwards/Lamont/DeStafano rally.
Good stuff. This is important in that this is the actual newspaper, not an online version, more likely read by blue collar types.
“I think Peterboy has a good point. If we focus on CT to the exclusion of every other race (and face it, we are), to prove a point, Karl wins. It’s one race among many.”
I don’t know of anyone at FDL who wants to focus on CT to the exclusion of other races.
Joe is the Republican nominee for CT, Karl’s pulling for him. If Joe were from NE, I would have a different opinion.
I think the last week’s poll numbers in CT BEFORE THE PRIMARY VOTE, show that once Joe started criticizing Rumsfeld on the war, Democrats started to rally to him. He started to narrow the gap between himself and Ned. Instead of sticking with that, now Joe wants to be re-elected and he wants to support the WH and the war in Iraq. As long as he continues with that, I don’t see that we have any choice about opposing him. Joe wants to be re-elected on his terms, and his terms suck.
Anne @ 178
*rubs chin reflectively*
Jojo was a man who thought he was a senator
But he knew it wouldn’t last.
Jojo left his home in the sleazy DC Beltway
To hang out with racist trash
Get back, get back.
Get back to where you once belonged
Get back, get back.
Get back to where you once belonged.
Get back Jojo. Go home
Get back, get back.
Back to where you once belonged
Back there with Louis Farrakan
Get back, get back.
Back to where you once belonged.
Get back Jo.
Evil Annie Coulter thought she was a woman
But she was a psychopath
All the girls around her say that she’s a bigot
But she does it all for laughs
Get back, get back.
Get back to where you once belonged
Get back, get back.
Get back to where you once belonged.
Get back you winger. Go home
Get back, get back.
Get back to where you once belonged
Get back, get back.
Get back to where you once belonged.
Get back you Karl Rove puppet.
Georgie Bush is waiting for you
Wearing his high-heel cowboy bootsies
And caryin’ his Texass chainsaw
Get on home Joementum
Get back, get back.
Get back to where you once belonged.
theExile @ 85
That would explain why Lieberman jumped the aisle during the Lewinsky business–simple jealousy.
I only get (and only occasionally) the Vancouver Sun and they put virtually nothing online unless you pay to see it (Like the NYTimes premium stuff, only it’s the whole paper pretty much). But, do papers that do publish lots of their content online publish different stuff or a different version in hard copy????
Anne says:
Okay. Now you’re really giving me memories of a couple of people…!
handle @ 178
Lieberman would have had an uncontested lead otherwise. Now there’s a chance to purge. There has never been one before.
op99 @ 99
They made another movie about Air Force One?
Handle…wtf?
Lieberfuck does not equal naderfuck you tool! They’re both bothering with an election that they have nothing but bother to do with!
Fuck off!
I don’t like the use of the purple finger, but if it had to be used, the only way I think the purple fingers work is if they change from purple ink to red blood – you know, like “This (purple finger) was supposed to be the hallmark of a new democracy in the Iraq that Joe Lieberman has supported without question. This (bloody hand in front of scene of total devastation and explosions) is the real legacy of that unquestioning support. This (scene of oil wells pumping along, blue skies and people working) was supposed to be the end result of the war Joe Lieberman supported without question. This (scene of actual oil refinery, and headline showing that Iraq is having to import oil) is the real legacy of that unquestioning support.” And so on – there’s a wealth of contrasts – unfortunately – that can be used this way.
As much as I liked the Joe Hill song – I gotta say the grammy goes to Get Back JoJo.
re #165: Obviously BushCo Joe Liarman Lieberman makes me so mad I cannot type very well now. Hope folks get the picture: it is about Bushco and those who support BushCo in word and/or deed. That is unifying theme for getting Pombo, Chafee, etc., and Lieberman out of office.
I think problem is that the position Lieberman has staked out for himself is so clear, that making an exception for him would be falling into trap of putting inside baseball tactical gamesmanship against what Democrats beleive. So, not making an issue of Lieberman would be like saying “Well, yeah, he’s not a Democrat anymore, and he disagrees with us on pretty much everything in either word or deed, but he says he will play ball so we can get the marbles. We can’t make any arguments why Lieberman is any better than half a dozon other BushCo enablers, but… you know, this slimeball will play with us this time so maybe we can win…” That approach has its risks too.
So, no slack for BushCo Joe. He left. Too Bad. No different from Pombo or Chafee now. He made his choice. We have truth on our side. He falls under category of Bushco supporter, so must fight against him as hard as any other BushCo tool.
Also occured to me that focusing on Lieberman, will also help spotlight shallow and dishonest coverage of Lamont-Liarman race. Lieberman is not a Democrat, nor an Independent, a liberal, a progressive, a moderate, or a centrist in any meangingful sense. Name one of the really important issues right now where he is not a BushCo tool. He is a personified political Big Lie. Might need to think about how going against Lieberman would help clarify other races. Tough nut to crack, but I think Democrats need to think about how to crack it rather than wimping out reflexively, in order to replay old loser DLC corporate Democrat “how can we weasel out a win” game.
“Goodguy Joe Lieberman, dogged by limousine lefties for his unwavering support of our brave fighting men, was ruthlessly dumped by an ungrateful Democratic Party”.. Fox News
Sometimes it seems like we just hand it to them for free
Concern trolls out in force tonight, I see…
neurophius at 182,
Catchy lyrics. Now if someone would record it for YourTube.
sorry for the flashbacks, shoephone!
handle @ 8:52 pm (#178) – I’m not sure whom you’re refering to, and you’re certainly not refering to me, but I see a couple of problems with your logic. First, to some extent, Nader and Lamont are examples of the same problem, which is that the Democrats for years have been more interested in kowtowing to corporate and moneyed interests than they have in appealing to ordinary folks. The DLC is a big part of that trend, which is something Gore was a part of, and Lieberman was certainly supportive of.
Second, the split you’re talking about has been there for years. We can’t afford it any longer. Lieberman’s ronin candidacy is likely to make it more difficult to win some of the House seats that are up for grabs this year in Connecticut. Either way, in the long run we’re better off without the likes of Lieberman.
Finally, Lieberman was not a Democrat when it counted. He voted for cloture on Alito, and then voted against his nomination so he’d look good to the special interest lobbies. That’s been his style for some time now – against us when it matters most. As far as I’m concerned, he broke with the Democratic party years ago.
I was labeled a “troll” on somebody else’s blog today. The frat boy blogger who throws tantrums when I disagree with him…It was kind of strange.
Eli @ 193
And someone seems to have stocked up on Toll food…as the saying goes… don’t feed the trolls… let them slither back under their rock where they belong
Let me try this again ; ) What I’m saying is to make this all CT, all the time is playing right in to Karl Rove’s hands. He couldn’t give a flying f*ck about one race other than he likes the infighting and distraction that he’s laughing about. The general election isn’t about one race, he gets that, do we?
Nite
I believe Ned can and will win! Look at the
graph of his progress.Sure,I realize Connecticut is not everything,but a win there would be a profound psychological victory; a ’shot heard round the world’ It would help create the momentum needed to jumpstart a Democratic takeback.
handle @ 178
handle, might want to brush up on some of those logic classes. You remember, if A > B and if B > C than A > C.
I don’t ever recall an FDL post about Nader, please by all means link to one.
How does that apply to CT? Joe split the Democratic vote in CT. Joe’s the one who lost the primary and is now running as a Republican.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..05_pf.html
Fat Karl would hate to loes Virginia!
Allen Flap May Give A Boost To Webb
Reenergized Va. Democrats Gain Support
By Tim Craig and Michael D. Shear
Washington Post Staff Writers
Saturday, August 19, 2006; A01
RICHMOND — The nationwide fallout from controversial remarks Sen. George Allen (R-Va.) made last week has given Democrats new hope in a race many thought would be difficult to win in the historically conservative state.
Before Allen insulted a native Fairfax County man of Indian descent, many Democratic officials were privately doubtful that James Webb could mount an aggressive challenge to the former governor and possible 2008 presidential candidate.
But Allen’s remarks to S.R. Sidarth, 20 — which included saying “welcome to America” — are generating new support for the Webb campaign and energizing Democratic activists.
“Before this week, I thought it would be a very tough race for Jim Webb,” said Martin Tillett, a self-described Democrat who is vice president of the Spring Bank Community Association in Fairfax County. He had already opposed Allen for his conservative positions. “This week has just added fuel on the fire as far as I am concerned,” he said.
Even Northern Virginia Republicans who support Allen say they are a bit worried
#196: yeah, BushCo Joe Liarman Lieberman, has been dishonset for sevaral years, a walking talking office holding Lie. That is the problem, and neither Democratic party’s, nor CT Democratic voters’ faults. Better to face the truth and figure out how to handle it, rather than run for DLC style cover first thing. That hasn’t worked so well anyway.
At this point, Lamont is not hitting the ball at all. Everyone can say whatever they want, whine as much as they want, but until Lamont starts making himself more visible and swinging the bat, we’re all just pissing in the wind. Take a look at things so far: when Joe was lobbing barbs freely a week ago, Lamont was almost nowhere to be found. Yeah, a few days after Lieberman had been screaming about Lamont being the terrorists’ best friend, he made some muffled criticisms. But lets be honest, they were pretty weak. Everyone has a right to vacation, but it all boiled down to Lamont letting Lieberman have a full week of easy press. Unless Lamont goes on offense soon, and goes on it hard, a lot of people are going to get the impression that Lamont is weak. Once that takes hold, it’s done for him, barring a massive mistake by Lieberman.
Red blood instead of purple ink is good. The fact the US managed to turn the country sitting on the second biggest puddle of oil into a country dependent on imported oil can’t be emphasized enough, either.
Don’t forget this was the war that was going to pay for itself (or turn a profit) thanks to the oil. It did turn a profit for Halliburton, Blackwater et. al., but not so good for Iraq or the US.
shoephone 197 — The frat boy blogger who throws tantrums when I disagree with him…
you know that just does not narrow it down
Okay, I get that trolls are bad but I really don’t have a good definition of who they are. One answer would do, I’m not trying to switch the topic.
man, I am tired, feeling kinda pooped. Don’t tell me I have to tapdance all evening . . .
#199: point taken. I would like to see blogs and non-reactionary media make this about BushCo and their gang, and rubber stamp Congress. Lieberman would be one of the gang members, one of the names in the most wanted list, one of the cards in the most wanted deck. You do have a point there. At very least need to reframe and find a fresh approach so other races have visibility. I don’t think it wouild be hard. I think you could do a Lieberman post and change a few names and it would work for several other races. Need to rememeber other races, with unifying argument and theme. No argument there.
John Casper @
164
I must say I strongly disagree with this. Everyone in this country carries the burden of internalized institutional racism. Everyone. We all, every single one of us, are conditioned with stereotypes of each other. We are indoctrinated with it at every step. The sooner all of us reallze this, the better to begin some real understanding of race relations in this country.
Anyone who has closely read and worked with both the letter and the intent of Affirmative Action and has seen it properly implemented would not agree with your generalization. You may have that perception based on your own experience of the way it was practiced in your environment, but please do not assume that outcome in general.
The argument that our focus on Lamont costs support for other races against GOP candidates is wrongheaded for several reasons. First, we are involved in numerous campaigns – look at Howie’s series here raising visibility and support for so many challengers – and the Roots Project work in individual states – and the activism of FDL readers in local dem organizations and … well, the list goes on and on.
But … the Lamont campaign is iconic of what we are trying to do on two fronts – first, Lamont’s campaign is the one that places the issue of Iraq more squarely in the public eye this cycle and is therefore a test of public dissatisfaction with W’s war. Second, Lieberman is the clearest example of the incumbency racket, shift to the right trend amongst elected democrats and thus the perfect target for our national work against the DINO wing of the dem party.
So while we work locally as well, it is critical that we work together to defeat Lieberman – proving that there is a viable progressive constituency that must be listened to across the country.
KC – I think you are not paying attention, or you wouldn’t be saying the things you are.
Keeping in mind that this is a race for the Senate and not the presdency, Ned has still managed to hit two major Sunday shows, been on Hardball, CNN, written an op-ed for the WSJ, campaigned with John Edwards, and on and on and on.
If you aren’t seeing or hearing Ned, you must have your eyes closed and your ears plugged.
“Fat Karl would hate to loes Virginia!”
Peterboy, we all want Webb to win.
Please, the majority of commenters here are lifelong Democrats. (I appreciate that they let some of the rest of us in.)
FDL has a much bigger impact on a Democratic state such as CT, than it will on a Republican state, such VA.
If you know of big blogs in VA that we can hook up with in VA, and ways in which we can help in that race, please link to them.
Don’t criticize us for helping Ned. Educate us about how to help Webb.
KC – would you like to fill us in on the number of campaigns in CT you have managed … and won?
Ned has been visible and is actively campaigning across the state of CT where the voters are. He has been on Hardball, Wolfie, and the BBC as well as Face the Nation and even Fox Sunday News – providing a wide audience a chance to see who he is and that he is a viable alternative to the old regime. And he hit it outta the park with a great OpEd in the Wall Street Journal. That’s in one week … care to tell us how you managed to miss him?
Jay – check wikipedia – covers it pretty well.
Around here, “concern” trolls tend to pop up – overtly claiming kinship and similar views, but promulgating counterproductive ideas.
Some are suspected to be actively working for inimical groups.
It is not that people with divergent views are automatically shunned — just that folks around here prefer actual communication and exchange of ideas to attempts at manipulation.
Eli @
193
Sophisticated concern trolls, to boot . . .
Actually, we tend to be quick on the trollish trigger finger; some are, some are not . . .
But as long as teh buzz kill is ignored, the revolution lives . . .
“Everyone in this country carries the burden of internalized institutional racism.”
meta, I agree. The problem is, I don’t think most European Americans agree. They say “racism” ended in the 60’s. They want to know why African Americans are over-represented by population in U.S. prisons, substance abuse clinics, and unemployment lines. They are trying to make the point that this evidence proves that African Americans really are genetically inferior.
If you want to see how critical education is, look at what happens to a traceable group of people who for centuries are systematically (by law) denied access to it.
Jay @
207
The trolls are the ones that look like this :)
I agree with the other posters though, we are capable of multitasking, we can adequately support Ned while also pushing a few other races too at the same time.
If you aren’t seeing or hearing Ned, you must have your eyes closed and your ears plugged.
We are hearing about Ned all the way to Arizona….
There is also another issue, knocking Lieberman out of the race also kickes the DLC in the ass which leads to the distruction of their strangle hold over the party. It shows other candidates that they DO NOT need the DC consultant shoved at them to win and that listening to the people you represent is important.
Can’t wait for Late Night – this firepup is calling it a night –
Sweet dreams.
Actually, we tend to quick on the trollish trigger finger; some are, some are not . . .
I usually tend to give the benefit of the doubt, but it seemed like there was an unusually high volume of snide “Way to go, stoopit liberals” comments tonight.
Cozumel @ 199
Right now nothing much else is happening Election06 wise,. Of course there is the phoney balony liquid terra plot, the wholesale desertion of Bu$hCo by the UK, the plot to blow up the Taj Mahal, the allies Turkey and Iran tag-team shelling Northern Iraq, North Korea preparing to test a nuke, China telling Bu$hco to “SHUT UP,” the ongoing attack on Gaza and don’t forget – half-time at the Israel/Lebanon Blue Line.
Just another day in Paradise brought to you by the geniuses in foreign policy that tell the Chimp how to solve the world’s problems.
Holy crap, it’s hard to keep up with all the typing!
John Casper #129: I’ve personally won (2001) and helped run another successful campaign (2003) in local races in PA (outnumbered by Rs 2:1) by doing exactly that – “swinging” at the R’s. I’m telling you from empirical evidence that it works. There is no shortage of examples of Dem losses where we took the “kumbaya, can’t we all just get along” approach and lost. The fact is that even moderate R’s perceive D’s as weak-knee sissies. Many I’s are actually issue-Dems, but they became unafiliated because they were fed up with the Democratic Party. When these groups see a bully R beating up on an opponent and see the D ignore the specious grounds for the attack, the stereotype is reinforced and you lose votes (people stay home – or worse, they vote for the R). I’m not suggesting that Ned turn into Mike Tyson – which is probably the image that came into your mind when you read my note. I AM suggesting that he perform like Ali – skillful jabs at every opening (list the neocons who support joe, etc.) and don’t be afraid to respond in kind to all the attacks with 1. the reason why it’s sad that joe said what he said, 2. add a reference to show joe’s hypocrisy in the matter (it seems he’s two-faced on virtually everything), and 3. provide reasons why what you’re doing is best for CT. The only thing worse than being a “sissy” in the eyes of many impressionable R/I voters is having someone else do the fighting for you. It backfires. Rove fights that off by painting the mercenaries as crazed commies (or whatever is convenient) and then tries to pin that on the candidate. This is not an effective strategy today. Ned has to stand up to the bully. And when the bully is beaten by simple, straight-line logic and facts, the bully can rarely win back his supporters.
Nothing wins elections as easily as standing up for yourself and confronting those and that which is wrong.
pow wow #133: I can only hope that he’s rebuking joe’s inflamatory nonsense when the cameras are rolling!
There is also another issue, knocking Lieberman out of the race also kickes the DLC in the ass which leads to the distruction of their strangle hold over the party. It shows other candidates that they DO NOT need the DC consultant shoved at them to win and that listening to the people you represent is important.
The Democratic establishment’s only rationale for listening to the DLC is that they supposedly win elections. Take that away from them, and their true nature as corporate/Republican double agents is revealed.
Jane @ 206:
LOL. I won’t name names, but he’s a 25 – year old Seattle blogger who toes the Democratic establishment party line (whatever you do, don’t criticize Maria Cantwell’s support for the war) and really thinks he knows it all.
Now, I’m all excited when young people get poltically involved. But I’ve been a registered Democrat longer than he’s been alive. And I don’t cotton to being dictated to by party regulars.
Just sayin’.
I worry that “we” are getting sucked into the slime politics of Rove and his cohorts. It’s easy to take the bait and begin throwing the shit back that gets tossed our way, it’s even fun. But I think the votes in Connecticut to be won over are more moderate, rational people who don’t care about endorsements or slime. I think the current blogger job is to get Ned’s positive campaign out there. His comments on the war on Colbert, for example, were terrific. I’d like to see a lot more about that.
“We” all know that Lieberperson is no great shakes, and not so principled. But I think the voters to be won need to be woed not by Lieber-trash, but by Lamont’s very refreshing, simple way of answering questions about what he wants to do for Connecticut, and America. Progressive is actually an easy sell if you can get people out of the mucky political world that Bu$hCo politics has created.
Every time we join them down there, we lose souls…
The Democratic establishment’s only rationale for listening to the DLC is that they supposedly win elections. Take that away from them, and their true nature as corporate/Republican double agents is revealed.
Thank you, Eli.
John @ 213:
I am not criticizing folks for helping Ned. Lieberman needs to be drummed out of the Demo Party. he shouldnt have hedged his bets in 2000 and threatened a possible Demo hold on the Senate, and he is hurting Dems again today by hedging his bets.
I am connected to New England and the next seat I want is Chafee’s and after that Santorum. It will be one ugly day if Loserman is the 51st vote for a Dem Senate, and we can hardly depend on him to vote against Scalito–what can we depend on him for.
Oh – and I totally got a 0 today. Yay! Woke up from my nap, checked FDL, and there it was — new thread. Makes me feel all on the “qui vive”.
timm0 @ 223
Link?
timm0, maybe this is a semantic issue? Ned’s position on Iraq is differnt than Joe’s. Is Ned “swinging” on that one? What other issues do you want Ned to “swing” on?
Since you are an experienced campaigner, please be very specific.
My new nickname for Marshall Wittman is “Grima Moosetongue”, BTW…
Mickey @ 226
Mickey, when has Ned or one of his supporters ever done that?
BTW, don’t include on this blog anything that was “taken down,” it’s irrelevant.
shoephone –
you are definitely not a concern troll at FDL . . .
siun @ 211
the Lamont campaign is iconic — that is the key.
Al Gore “lost” in 2000, because he ran a binary either/or campaign —
GWB “won” because he ran a post-modern, “choose every option” campaign.
Ned Lamont does not abandon his progessive cred, by re-affirming his businessman roots. They are not mutually exclusive — multi-track campaigns win; binary, either/or campaigns lose.
Anyone who says other wise is a concern troll . . .
It is about time that the DSCC/DCCC see the track record of the consultants that are recycled election cycle after another without being held accountable for their win/loss records.
In sports, if a coach had the record that the DLC consultants have…. it would be a quick Apprentice “Your Fired”
John Casper @ 213 -
I think Alice Marshall is in VA, isn’t she? And she’s got a blog.
Mickey #226 – Telling the voters that you think someone’s policy is wrong is not “slime politics.” When you make up stories, race bait, and smear someone with radical accusations, you are resorting to slime politics. People do know the difference when they hear it. There are facts, references to fact sources, and clear common sense logic when you fight fair. Don’t feel like there is only an ugly way to stand up to the revolting likes of lieberman. Fact is, you have to stand up to it or the 11 point gap is not likely to move.
katymine @ 235
Two words: Bob. Shrum.
Here’s Ari Fleischer in tomorrow’s NYT:
The Republican’s may be ignoring their own candidate, but they’re certainly not ignoring this race. Why should we?
My problem is that quite a few of those DLC’ers have migrated to AZ since there has been such a void here….. so they have been routed out in other places…. It is really hard to grow the grassroots here with THEM out there trashing us, dis’ing us and marginalizing our groups…
DFA & PDA working together had a resolution to withdraw from Iraq passed in the state party meeting but then the new Chair told us…. talking about Impeachment is a distraction from real issues like raising corporate money!
If Mr. Lieberman would consult his scripture he would know what to do. He and Mr. Lamont went to the Judge(voters) to find out who owned the baby(democratic nomination). Lamont pledged to abide by the decision of the judge, and Mr. Lieberman said cut the baby in two. He seems to know a good doctor, Dr. Rove, who can sew severed babies back together. But it will be an abomination, and I think Mr. Lieberman knows it in his heart. Please stop Mr. Lieberman. Put your country and our democracy first. Please.
Eli @ 221
The point is, we tend to jump on those who disgree — some are trolls, some are not. If they really are trolls, they will up the ante and expose themselves [eww…] but those who sincerely disagree might be converted.
Either way, disagreement with a mild aroma of concern trollishness is best ignored, in the first go round . . .
shoephone @ 235
shoe, FWIW, imo, our best impact is with journalists. I think the new Spotlight capability reinforces that.
Either way, disagreement with a mild aroma of concern trollishness is best ignored, in the first go round . . .
I don’t have a problem with the disagreement from Peterboy, shoephone, Cozumel, et al. It’s the “way to go, Dems” comments from people I’ve never seen before that set my antennae to tingling, and it suggests to me that the Republicans are very worried about Ned.
TRex is up.
Eli –
You are correct, in noting the rise in concern trollism — my point is, obscure and sophisticated concern trolls may or may not be legit — and either way, being obscure and subtle is a piss poor way to hijack a thread.
Especially when no one takes the bait.
I would also like to hear from the folks who think we are too focused on Lamont precisely what they are doing for other races – and what support they feel is needed from the blogosphere beyond what is already there. I see an awful lot of involvement across Dkos, MyDD and numerous other blogs for many candidates – as well as the involvement here with Blue America where we have raised a tidy sum for a wide range of candidates. If they think we should do more, explain in detail rather than simply kvetching.
Ari Fleisher? ewwww. I thought we were rid of him.
Coughing up hairball now.
John Casper @ 230
Story including some recent events as I chair the Board of Supervisors. For whatever that’s worth to you…
Yes, in the context of my metaphor, Ned is swinging when he stands in favor of bringing our troops home. He’s done that quite well. He can tune his message to address lieberman’s personal, pseudo-slanderous attacks.
In the other campaign we ran, the R’s platform was freezing and eliminating taxes on the elderly. We could have ignored it – why would you want to risk making seniors angry, right? Wrong. We went right at him. We informed all the voters with a mailing that showed exactly how much seniors pay in taxes to the various agencies. We made a few simple observations: 85% of your taxes go to the school district and 13% to the county – there are 8 open seats on those boards where mr __ can actually make a REAL difference. He’s chosen NOT to run for those. This seat will only effect 2% ($50) of a senior’s tax burden – can you take this as “serious” reform?” etc. etc. etc. It was actually more than just a few simple observations… we treated several issues in that particular piece. In fact, we had high school teachers stop us and tell us that they are using our campaign materials in their class as exhibits for how TO campaign. I had SEVERAL R’s tell me that they’d never voted for any other party in their lives, but they had never been actually treated like intelligent voters before – told what, why, and how – and voted for our guy.
Swinging is making your position known, making your motives clear, and defending the honor and integrity of those to vicious, underhanded, and pandering attacks with facts, courage, and resourcefulness.
siun @ 146 – I am in Arizona ….
1. Support Jon Tester – MT Senate
2. Support Ned
3. Chair for county DFA chapter
4. On the ballot running as an Elected Prencint Committeeperson
5. Working with Herb Paine running CD-03, Slade Mead for Supertendent of Schools, and other local candidates.
6. Organizing grassroots support, boots on the ground for canvasing, getting people signed up to be Poll Workers/watchers.
“Everyone in this country carries the burden of internalized institutional racism. Everyone. We all, every single one of us, are conditioned with stereotypes of each other.”
meta, I understand what you are saying, but please don’t include me, a Native American, in this. It is not our way, we consider all peoples of Mother Earth to be All Our Relations. Every. Single. Soul. None are better or less valuable than any other, we have something to teach and learn from each person incarnate.
I understand what JC is saying about the Debt, but it needs to start with us Native Americans first, and include our African American brothers and sisters for the crimes committed against and national debt owed to both. So I agree and disagree at the same time, and look at all angles of the situations. This country is not in its “infancy” as I hear frequently, it has a long and ancient history. The last couple hundred years of it, and the governing of it is what’s debatable.
katymine – that’s what I love! you are so fully engaged and making change happen day by day. Thank you!
Follow-up to my #104 Mea Culpa:
The reason these three (discovery motion) filings may have flown under the radar is because they may all have been filed under seal, due to the sensitive discovery documents they were discussing. [Or else they are sitting right there on PACER, and no one has happened to mention them on-line that I’ve seen.] If they were filed, it would seem that there was indeed probably a closed CIPA hearing August 16th, as scheduled, concerning that motion [around the noon hour or in late afternoon, judging by Judge Walton’s schedule]. Not a peep from any media watchers or from cameras outside the courthouse though with regard to the participants.
There’s nothing on the Special Counsel’s website nor on the DC District’s opinion page for the period in question. But at least 8/18’s Order was made public on PACER presumably, per the AP story [as was something a week ago Monday (8/7) or so with regard to CIA discovery - no idea exactly what that was though either].
Sorry to be late for troll call…and I wasn’t even going to publish this…
Imm39, last thread re Hil ‘n Hagel N.U.Ticket…
Your solution fits a curious paradox suggested by the “bubble curve” which I have yet been able to explain. After a fractious and blistering republican meltdown, your national unity meme could gain traction as the neocon backlash gives way to economic pessimism by the end of the 2008 recession. A democratic president, victorious in 2008, somehow yields to a new republican-style administration within a year and triggers a three year recession beginning in 2010. After all that passes, another true democrat takes the reins and a nice recovery ensues (almost back to these levels).
So says the nikkei 225 bubble curve*. To find our point in the present, subtract 10 years and three months. That puts us in the position Japan was in 1996. That big volume spike on the bottom of the chart looks like everybody getting back in just before the 2013 recovery. Yeah, I know. Thanks *ilson. I may be a troll, but I don’t want to feel like a N.U.T.
Ah the fresh clean air of late nite EPU.
watertiger @ 10
I agree that violence isn’t an answer, but it sure changes the fucking question
and some days, that works for me
Jane,
I love your work and know you have the best intentions — but why the hell do you keep bringing up race as though white “liberals” have some claim to moral high ground? Frankly, I don’t see it that way and neither do most people of color I know. Indeed, many of us see the subtleties of “liberal racism” to be every bit as insidious as the occasional outbursts of overt white supremacy that attracts such faux outrage from white liberals. TRex went so far as saying “Thank You” to his political enemies for saying racist things…clearly not the perspective of someone on the receiving end of that rhetoric and that overall culture. It’s just crazy to me that you and TRex would try to exploit race this way. Of course I don’t expect these words to have any more impact than any of the other protests I’ve filed in the “FDL black hole of lost causes”. But so it goes.
Peace.
Kai — so good to see you back. Have been looking for substantiation to your claims that the blackface episode cost — what was it, 7-8% of the African American vote in CT you said? Nobody else seems to back this up .
BTW, while you’re at it please back up your claim that I say ”liberals” have ”some claim to moral high ground.”
You really need to include a few more links when making these kinds of allegations.
fwiw, I was online here when the graphic kerfuffle exploded. Folk online here instantly recognized the political damage and clamored for it to be removed quickly. As soon as Jane could be reached, it was dealt with expeditiously. I even tried to ‘hack’ the FDL server while awaiting Jane — I was going to remove the pic myself if I could. The graphic was a political gaffe which happens in every campaign. One of the strengths of the Lamont movement is its diversity in so many ways. That’s why the LieberFolk had to attack in a Rovian style a momentary lapse in political judgement at HuffPo…
JOE!!! A party of one!
Hadassah,
How do you stand that arrogant, sanctimonious and limp PRICK?
Joe, your 18 years and 15 minutes are done. Shut up and go away. Far away….
God, I never hated anyone except Hilter, Stalin, Walter O’Malley and Nixon until 2000. I never realized how much I could hate some people until Dumbaya came into power.
FYI, from wikipedia:
“Lieberman met his first wife, Betty Haas, at the congressional office of Senator Abraham Ribicoff (D-Conn), where they worked as summer student interns. They married in 1965 while Joe Lieberman was in law school. They had two children – Matt and Rebecca. Betty, who is also Jewish, later worked as a psychiatric social worker. In 1981, the couple divorced. During an interview with New York Magazine, when asked about the divorce, Lieberman said, “one of the differences we had was in levels of religious observance,” he says. “But I’m convinced if that was the only difference, we wouldn’t have gotten divorced.”[5] In 1982, he met his second wife, Hadassah Freilich Tucker while he was running for attorney general of Connecticut. Hadassah Lieberman is the child of a Holocaust survivor. According to Washington Jewish Week, Lieberman called her for a date because he thought it would be interesting to go out with someone named Hadassah. (Hadassah, which is Hebrew for Esther, the heroine of the Jewish holiday of Purim, is also the name of the Women’s Zionist Organization of America).[6] They married on March 20, 1983.[citation needed] Since March 2005, Hadassah Lieberman has been working for Hill & Knowlton, a lobbying firm based in New York City, as a senior counselor in its health and pharmaceuticals practice. She has held senior positions at the Hospital of Saint Raphael in New Haven, the American Committee for Shaare Zedek Medical Center in Jerusalem, Association of Public-Safety Communications Officials (APCO), Pfizer, National Research Council, Hoffmann-La Roche, and Lehman Brothers. Joe and Hadassah Lieberman have a daughter, Hani. Lieberman also has a stepson from Hadassah’s previous marriage, Ethan Tucker. Matt Lieberman graduated from Yale University in 1989, and from Yale Law School in 1994. He is the Head of School of Greenfield Hebrew Academy in Atlanta, GA. Rebecca Lieberman graduated from Barnard College in 1991, and from the University of Pennsylvania Law School in 1997. She is married to Jacob Wisse, son of Harvard professor and fiery pro-Israel hardliner Ruth Wisse.[7] Ethan Tucker graduated from Harvard College in 1997 and was a rabbinical student at the Jewish Theological Seminary.
Lieberman never served in the military. A spokesperson told the Hartford Courant in 1994 that Lieberman received an educational deferment from the Vietnam War draft when he was an undergraduate and law student from 1960-67. Upon graduating from law school at 25, Lieberman qualified for a family deferment as he was already married and had one child, Matt. The draft ended in 1973.[8]”
Another twice-married neo-con who dodged the draft and who’s a sanctimonious coward – and a moralist, to boot!
Hadassah, no wonder you love him!!! WOW, what a guy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Who’s next up after Joe leaves you for another vote? A “true” Christian like Newt or Rudy, perhaps?
If I remember right, they beat Joe on the twice married front. Moral Christians that they are and all…
Hadassah,
How do you stand that arrogant, sanctimonious and limp PRICK?
It’s got to be the same psychology as Laura Bush. I myself try to play armchair psychologist for kicks, but I can’t figure either of those two out.
Lieberman should be called Liebersleaze.
Race-baiting is an abomination.
Joe must be called on it, frequently and vociferously.
My CT friends — who voted for Liebersleaze three times — are totally revolted by his behavior. They are also furious to realize that, all this time, Liebersleaze had them fooled. Not any more.
mui,
Good point!
It’s like that very pretty, super smart girl in your High School that marries a construction worker who couldn’t spell cat if you spotted him the “c” and the “a.”.
You figure he must have an “enormous Schwan-stukka!”
But, with Joe and Shrub, it has to be something else…
I know it ain’t brains! What else could it be? Money? Power?
You tell me…
Sara @ 101
Sara,
I agree.
But this is a new era – maybe…
During Vietnam and it’s military draft, a lot of people were against Vietnam precisely because of the draft. Now, there’s no draft and people are still against this war. That say’s something to me.
If Lamont can tie into that, how bad the economy is for worker’s, and how the Rethuglican’s are weak on defence, strong on pre-emptive war, and anti-Social Security, he might have something!
Kai @ 256
How do you know it’s “faux”? Are you saying that there are no whites who are offended by white supremacy? Whites aren’t allowed to criticize white racists unless they can PROVE they have never said or believed anything culturally insensitive?
Isn’t this the Republican talking point: Don’t criticize our appeals to power through racism because deep down you believe in it too. (Not!) Well I believe that appeals for power through demogoguery is the worst kind of racism–and yes, there is a continuum. You think racism is going to end if white liberals just shut up about it? Or did you just see an opportunity to take a swipe at Jane, and didn’t care if you had to spout a racist republican talking point to do it?
-ck- @
57
It’s embarassing to be from Colorado and have Ken making a fool of himself over this issue, but really, what on earth does he think he’s doing? I grew up in CT and they barely know Colorado exists. Most people couldn’t find it on a map! And they’re supposed to care what the junior senator from Colorado they’ve never heard of thinks?
That’s one endorsement that will make ZERO impact! Joe’d do better by lining up support from some Hartford city councilman. At least there’s a chance that someone in the State of Connecticut might actually have heard of the guy.
It’s like that very pretty, super smart girl in your High School that marries a construction worker who couldn’t spell cat if you spotted him the “c” and the “a.”.
You figure he must have an “enormous Schwan-stukka!”
Hmm, a new name around here, c u n d gulag is (and undeniably a new guy).
lotus,
Busted!!! Yup, I’m a guy… But I don’t have an enorm… TMI.
I’ve posted here before though.
Have a nice weekend, all!