
Joe Conason has a good column up at Salon on the race baiting being done by the Lieberman campaign. Conason points up the hypocrisy of Dan Gerstein characterizing Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson as "divisive" considering Holy Joe's history with Louis Farrakhan. But it should be noted that this isn't some one-off comment by Gerstein, it's part of a larger (and successful) strategy to scare off white voters from Lamont.
Shortly after African-American political leaders like Maxine Waters, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton came to Connecticut stumping for Lamont, polling began to show that they were making some white voters nervous. Predictable. But the response of Joe "great man" Lieberman was to throw oil on the fire.
Lieberman kicked off the race baiting himself:
"Ned Lamont can have Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton," Liebermen said. "I'm proud to have had Bill Clinton, Senator Dodd, Senator Inouye, Senator Salazar and a lot of other great Democrats."
And to make sure everybody heard, Lieberman operative Richard Goodstein was quoted as saying "Are you a Bill Clinton Democrat, or an Al Sharpton democrat?" Because, you know, they can't be one and the same.
Then just in case the dog-whistle factor was a bit too subtle for the "low information voters" Joe's race depends on, Ann Coulter was wheeled in to spell it out:
Congresswoman Maxine Waters had parachuted into Connecticut earlier in the week to campaign against [Sen. Joseph I.] Lieberman because he once expressed reservations about affirmative action, without which she would not have a job that didn't involve wearing a paper hat. Waters also considers Joe "soft" on the issue of the CIA inventing crack cocaine and AIDS to kill all the black people in America.
Conason sums it up quite well:
The Lieberman campaign is trying to frighten white voters in Connecticut -- and Democrats in Washington -- by reminding them over and over again that Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson support Lamont. This week, the senator's aides told the New York Times that playing the two African-American preachers off against Lamont will enhance Lieberman's appeal on an independent ballot line. "Primary night was the first time that many Connecticut voters saw Lamont on TV, and he's surrounding himself with two of the more divisive and problematic figures in the Democratic Party," said Dan Gerstein, the Lieberman campaign's communications director.
This nasty little strategy was evidently a successful tactic for the primary -- exit polling showed that Lieberman's Jackson/Sharpton rhetoric had an effect in more conservative white districts and did manage to peel off white voters from Lamont. Which is no doubt why Gerstein is keeping the race baiting alive in the New York Times. Now that Lieberman is openly running as a Republican we probably won't get a lot more of that "b...b...but Joe marched in 64" mantra; that was pre-August 8 rhetoric.
But let's remember, Joe Klein said this recently:
Rove has shown a positive genius for organizing campaigns around poisonous trivia. He will question the patriotism of Democrats (and, once again, be aided by those on the noisome left who believe that the U.S. is a malignant, imperialistic force in the world). He will deploy an ugly, stone-throwing distortion of Christian "values," especially against those Democrats who choose not to discriminate against homosexuals. And if things get really desperate, he will play the race card, as Republicans have ever since they sided against the civil rights movement in the 1960s.
I don't know who is surprised that Lieberman would stoop this low to save his seat -- certainly not me. But I think it's time somebody besides bloggers started asking the question -- if Joe is playing the "race card" for November, whose larger purpose is it serving?
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I noticed on Election Night that Liebermans crowd on the stage behind him was like the GOP Congresscritters — lily white !
I need a key for a musical note. How come there isn’t one?
A Vote for Lieberman is a Vote for Bush!
‘Nuff said…
There’s no way around it.
Lieberman is a fucking gutless slimeball, an amoral perfidious fuck.
I know violence is not the answer, but it’s shit like this that makes me want to grab Joe by the jowls and just pummel the crap out of him.
Just admit you’re a Republican, Joe! Just say it!
pach 9 — Lieberman is a fucking gutless slimeball, an amoral perfidious fuck.
you’re in fine form tonight, my dear.
Wait, did Klein almost say something reasonable? Ignoring the cheap shot against the looney left, of course…
Jane: Any word on Libergirl’s website crash?
and what Pach said.
That, too.
;)
Is the race baiting pervasive and getting worse or is it my lying ears.I am so so sick of the “low info voters” but even more so with the malignant tumor of the media and administration.
I love Ned and support him and what he is doing-”Little Man Whiner” needs to be out on his backside and we need to keep the pressure on the riduculous Dems as they snivel and whine along with him.
Pachacutec @ 8
Pachacutec should be a diplomat — he has such an understated way of expressing himself. Very restrained!
Eli 12 — I know, hard to believe, huh?
Every Party needs a traitor, that’s why we invited you, Joe.
Quoteth Holy Joe: “This is a time to knit the country together more and to make us, as Al Gore always says, the more perfect union that our founders dreamed of.”
Joseph’s dream interpretations mock his biblical namesake. We’re deep into the seven lean years with no grain in reserve. His hidden agenda always looked not to the common need but to his desire to hold onto the knitting needles whatever the cost. As Conason shows, these are sharp needles. Better he should retire and make Hadassah a nice sweater.
To once again borrow a friend’s catchphrase, Joe is a wee tiny of a man.
Kobe! Dreaming of Fiona…
Jane, I cannot tell you how sick it makes me that this stuff is still being dragged out, year after year, campaign after campaign.
If polling shows that Joe’s gutter tactics are working, Ned needs to counter it, and soon. Not by crawling down into the gutter with Joe, but by saying and doing things that peel another “principled” layer off the increasingly thin facade that Joe has been disguising his true self with.
What Ned needs now are the African-American Connecticut Democrats who support him - you know - real, ordinary, actual Connecticut folks who can expose Joe’s hypocrisy and race-baiting for what it is.
I don’t pay much attention to who is of color and who isn’t, because that kind of thing isn’t important to me - and I suspect Ned feels the same way.
G.O.P. Deserts One of Its Own for Lieberman
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08.....ref=slogin
You know you’ve really made it in Wingnuttopia when Ann Coulter’s vouching for you.
Joe Lieberman is just what he appears to be. A vain, contemptible, consummate power addicted politician, whose Achilles heel is his ego, which will be his undoing. Senator Lamont will win this autumn, and come snow-fall, will be the new Senator from Connecticut. This, mister Lieberman, as you have shown by the contempt for the Democratic Party that stood so loyally by you all these past years, will be a defeat that you, of so little decency and class sir, so richly deserve. I shall not wish you fond farewell.
Although I used to crochet, I’d like to knit Joe a fast boat to Iraq.
I suggest go on offense. Ask the Lieberman guy if he can justify one word of his nonsense he uttered over last year on Iraq. Ask if he can explain in 25 words or less what we are staying course for? Ask him exactly what things are getting better? Any evidence he has acceptable (picture, statistics, testimonials from repubable source, ie, not RumDum or anyone associated with Bushco). Then after suitable pause for silence, ask him why he said such dumb things.
Then ask him his deep thinking on all the cloture votes that favored Bushco, followed by meaningless votes against BushCo. Ask the miserable liar if US exec decided appoint Noam Chomsky as UN amb, or negotiator for Israel-Palesitinian conflict if he would be all “whatever the exec wants, deference deference” line. Ask the fool to explain how he is preserving filibuster by promising never to use it. If a Mr Hitler-Stalin-Pol Pot combo came up, what would he do. Ask what looked so good about a Mr. Michael Brown as head of FEMA. Ask him one thing was good about bankruptcy bill. Ask him why them fraudulent fat bankruptcy frauds aren’t rolling into court for the userers to get their money back, as promised. He will answer he voted ‘no,’ so then ask him how stupid he thinks we are.
Oh, hey, and ask him exactly what was that Bushco social security plan anyhoo, that he thought was so great it deserved careful consideration? Was it the part where workers would be forced to invest money at 2% per year into their social security account at 3% per year interest? Yeah yeah, ask him what was so great about that.
OK, maybe he won’t come hear to explain to us why all that was so great. We may not be worthy, since we are only US citizens and voters. So, every progressive blog should have a banner with the questions. And a clock for for minutes/days/months since Old Liar Joe hasn’t said doodle sqaut.
We need a nicname: GOP JOE? Traiter Joe? BushCo Joe? So many choices…
I think what Joe needs is a really large pair of fake boobs to make his campaign complete.
It’s my party,
And I’ll sink it if I want to….
(And no, I don’t mean Goodstein and Gerstein)
I was a shy child. I got over it.
Pach at #9: lol Why don’t you tell us what you really think of Lieberman? Don’t hold back so much.
Where is Barbara Boxer?
Where is Bill Clinton?
Why hasn’t Lieberman been condemned by every democratic official across the country?
Does a democratic party even exist?
The thing about race baiting is that is has to be done with some subtlety, if voters know they are being baited it backfires.
wesgpc’s votinglinks @ 26:
jingojoe?
joepportunist?
*ilson 6 — funny how the minute Joe was running as a Republican, the scene was carefully stage-managed to be “b…b…but Joe marched in ‘64″-free?
Pach - I’m so glad you’ve unleashed your inner grownup!
and the Conason piece deserves as much circulation as possible … esp to all the “Joe’s a good friend” crowd
I guess “Jim Crow Joe” would be a little *too* harsh…
so what’s gotten into Joe Klein? he has actually uttered several coherent thoughts of late (amongst the usual pablum, of course).
Just as Color of Change is demanding that the Repubs drop Allen for his racism, I’d like to see the wishywashy Dems who “won’t cry if Joe is re-elected” called out for their support of a racist.
Sonoma 32 — good question. The person who is most likely to be hit hard by splitting the Democratic party along racial lines is Hillary, who inherited her husband’s big numbers with African-American voters. Don’t ask me to find the link but Conason had a good article about how she didn’t have to run even more to the right because her African-American votes were secure. She’s very conscious of that as she positions herself, you can see it in evidence all the time. That she would let Lieberman flame this kind of divisiveness is puzzling.
I’d like to see a unified statement from the 3 Democratic House candidates who are hoping to unseat Republicans in CT in November. They ought to collectively ask Lieberman to get out of the race, because he will be drawing Republican voters to the polls and making it more difficult for Democrats to win their races in CT.
cosmo @ 41
That’s actually an excellent idea, why hasn’t this happened yet?
Old jingo BushCo GOP Joe needs to explicitly repudiate support from all the GOP wingnuts. By name -Coulter, Rush, Fox frauds, all of them. If Jackson and Sharpton are divisive, then the wingnuts who expressed support for him surely are. Of course, only Jackson and Sharpton are.. you know…
So if Joe won’t repudiate, we must adjucate, and find an appropriate additioinal new nickname: Jim Crow Joe.
Hey, GOP jingo BushCo Jim Crow Joe, how ‘ya doing you pathetic old egotist? Another suggestion: bunco Joe, for bankruptcy and social security bad faith words and deeds.
cosmo,
ain’t no way the egomaniacal git is going to let go of the power he’s attained. Look at him now - selling his party down the river so that he can “bring bipartisanship to the Senate”.
He’s done such a good job of it up to now.
And Hillary looks like she’s trying to do the bare minimum to distance herself from Lieberman, but not the hawkish Dems.
Maybe a ten second spot, with Obama and Bill Clinton saying, “Ned Lamont, my kind of Democrat.”
I said this over at DKos and will do a simple cut and paste here. I think this is important as I realize that Ned is running a “keep it clean campaign.” He still NEEDS preemptive rejoinders. From my DKos post:
You know, it’s getting easier to spot Joe’s rejoinders now and see the direction of his campaign. Now it’s time to also throw him off guard. I think the lobbyist thing is PRIME considering it was Levitt himself who said that Joe single-handedly defeated the options expensing. Have a look at Frontline.
Moreover, Ned is pristine on this issue as he isn’t accepting lobbyist money.
Maybe the next time Joe holds a presser, someone should ask, “Is there any truth to the story that Willie Horton will be making an ad for you?” Joe: (splutter! splutter!) I marched with King in ‘68! Why would you even ask such a reprehensible thing?” Reporter: “Well, you’ve said this: (fill in example) and this (another example). Gerstein said this (yet another), all of which seem to be designed to scare voters using race. It looks like, from the pattern, that it can’t be long before old Willie is resurrected.”
What you’d really hope for is an unscripted Joe-moment, where, in response to being asked if Willie will be making an ad, Joe says something like, “Why? Has he endorsed Lamont?” That might be Joe’s “George Allen” moment.
On the NewsHour tonight, Mark Shields eviserated George Felix Allen Jr for his racist bullshit — I believe he is on our side, and will do the same to Both Ways Joe Lieberman.
Both Ways Joe courts the black vote when it suits his needs;
Both Ways Joe smears African American Leaders when it suits his needs.
Both Ways Joe is a two faced backstabber, who has betrayed the Democratic Party.
Shame on you, Joe Lieberman — Shame.
I guess I’m a white guy that’s been brainwashed by Gilliard, but I was very happy to see Ned a) being able to work with Sharpton and Jackson, and then b) not throw them under the bus on Primary Day. I don’t see too many folks able to do both, and not look fake as all get out. I hate to see candidates desperate to have them work the urban areas, and then act resentful that they needed the help. Take Joe for instance.
Anne @ 47,
LOL! We need Lamont to send one of his supporters who happens to be a minority after Joe with a videocamera.
C’mon, Joe. You know you want to say it.
Well, has anybody asked Gerstein or Loserman directly “Are you a Bill Clinton Democrat?” Loserman said he doesn’t need Sharpton and Jackson, because he has Clinton and Dodd.
But he doesn’t have Clinton and Dodd. Not anymore. They’re supporting the Democratic winner of the Democratic Primary now.
So I ask Gerstein and Loserman: Are you a Bill Clinton Democrat or a Ken Salazar Democrat?
I really think the “Democrats” who won’t endorse Ned believe that they don’t have a dog in the fight. They can “concentrate on my own campaign” unless they have national ambitions, like Hillary. However, I have to wonder who Hillary thinks her “base” is. Because it is not in the netroots, and it sure isn’t in the “center” of the party, and absolutely NOT on the right. So who does that leave? The “Sharpton” democrats? Is she operating under the illusion that she has some popularity? Because the activists in the party (and I use the term VERY loosely, AS IF) are so on to her. And not gonna support her. I totally quit her after her flag burning amendment routine.
Somehow Lamont has to make the Republican slime stick to So’e Loserman. Lieberman cannot be allowed to give anyone the impression that there are two Democrats in the race. Because there is only one party of one, and one Democratic “party.”
watertiger @ 44
from yesterday: Joe = Cyster Sold-ya Down the River
Paging Al Gore: you need to get thee to Connecticut STAT and repudiate your scumbucket of a former running mate.
shoephone @ 52
Zell Miller Democrats, minus most of the spittle-flecked rage.
if Joe is playing the “race card” for November, whose larger purpose is it serving?
Last week I couldn’t see how, given the way party power seems to work in Washington, Lieberman could be stripped of his committee appointments. It’s only one week later and already I’m wondering, how can Reid delay any longer. And now given this race baiting, how can the Big Dog Clinton not come out in active support of Lamont. This is so contrary to Clinton’s message of unity and hope in the future. If Clinton doesn’t stand up and protect and defend those values about which he communicates so well — Then sadly Clinton at last is shown to be only an empty performance — a highly skilled performance, but none the less empty.
Ken Salazar is not the sharpest knife in the drawer; he will figure it out, sooner or later — he too, will miss the train to CT.
I’m going to love it when SNL comes back on and starts doing the Zell Miller guy campaigning for Lieberman.
I really think the “Democrats” who won’t endorse Ned believe that they don’t have a dog in the fight.
I think this is correct. They’ve made the calculation that Joe would caucus with them, and so it will be a Democratic seat no matter what, so why waste time or money on it?
But I think the calculation that Joe will caucus with the Dems is a very shaky one.
But Joe isn’t any kind of Democrat; he’s a Liebermaniac or a Liebermanian - maybe someone should ask him which appellation he prefers…one makes him sound like a lunatic, the other like a breed of little yappy dog.
shoephone @ 51
Oh, see now, Joe’s prepared on that somewhat. I can’t remember where I read it, but when asked about how the big Dems are now supporting Ned, Joe said something to the effect “yeah, well look how far those endorsements got me in the primary.”
I’m telling you, Ned needs preemptive strikes based on viewing what Lieberman says in the press now. Joe has got to be knocked off his prepared talking points.
Fini FiniTOOBZ! @ 59
Oh God, I hope so. His rant about how if a tsunami came to his town, he would punch it in the nose and then shoot it was a thing of beauty.
Joe Lieberman is another Zell Miller but without the charming Southern accent . . .
punaise,
Ai-yeee! GMTA.
Being in a musical frame of mind tonight:
I dreamed I saw Joe L last night,
on CNN TV.
Says I “But Joe, you lost the race”
“I never lost” said he,
“I never lost” said he.
“The Democrats, they threw you out,
they kicked your ass” says I.
“Takes more than votes to make me go”
Says Joe “I’ll never die,”
Says Joe “I’ll never die.”
And standing there as big as life
and smiling with his eyes.
Says Joe “What they can never kill
is campaigns based on lies,
is campaigns based on lies.”
From Hartford down to Washington,
and up and down the hill,
where lobbyists defend their rights,
it’s there you find Joe L,
it’s there you find Joe L!
I dreamed I saw Joe L last night,
on CNN TV.
Says I “But Joe, you lost the race”
“I never lost” said he,
“I never lost” said he.
thus quoth the raven: “never Joe”
OK, Joey Low Road. Why don’t you just come right out and target a person of color in the Lamont campaign, and call him or her “Macacca”?
We know that’s what you are thinking.
Besides, it would lend moral support to your good Bush/Coulter Republican Incumbency Party George Felix “Frenchie” Allen, who can’t seem to figure out why some people didn’t appreciate him doing just that.
Joey, are you a “Bill Clinton Democrat” or an “Al Sharpton Democrat”? Personally, I am both. Oh, I am also a “Ned Lamont Democrat.” Do you have a problem with that?
very good percy but what a perversion of a noble American anthem !
Eli @ 59
Geez, does he exactly caucus with them now? Seems to me he prefers to be a go between, like he’s the saviour of the political process.
Would it really matter who he caucused with if he’s neither a Dem nor Repub? Won’t he be a party of one?
Incidentally, WHAT exactly does caucus mean in the strict sense of the Senate?
Joe Lieberman running on a racist platform. And Senate Democrats are going to give this “traitor” his seniority if he manages to defeat the man chosen by Connecticut Democrats as their choice to represent them in the U.S. Senate. Has the Democratic Party become totally devoid of any kind of moral values? The fact that Senate Democrats would tell the Democratic voters of Connecticut to “fuck off” says alot about what has happened to the Democratic Party in recent years.
But Joe Hill might have approved.
Joe is the Phantom of this opera.
Lieberman and his cold-eyed, empty souled minions and GOP cronies have sunk to a new low. They have taken the Rovian course, also known as the easy way to Avernus.
To defeat them, we need to examine the taxonomy of this vicious tactic and develop a practical counter to it because it is never going to go away. It is likely to be a significant factor in the upcoming election.
Like it or not, Ned Lamont is in a very tough race. His primary victory was close, despite his overwhelming positives among Democratic voters. He also had a fabulous ground game, energetic and committed volunteers, and extraordinary media coverage. It was a perfect storm, yet he still won by only 10,000 votes. It was one of the most inspiring victories I have ever been privileged to witness, but as things stand, I don’t believe he can win in November.
The November election is an entirely different dynamic. Media coverage will not, I suspect, be as intense, nor as positive. He must have strong support from Independents if he is to win, and his volunteer base must alter its approach to attract this component of the electorate.
Lieberman is using Rovian smokescreen tactics to obscure his own past and current positions. He is using the Big Lie to smear Lamont. And, he is using the connotations that surround Jackson and Sharpton (especially Sharpton) to undermine Lamont’s core appeal, which is one of universality.
How can he counter this? He needs mainstream Democrats with name recognition to campaign for him, people like John Edwards. He needs to generalize his message, while allowing his surrogates to focus like a laser on Lieberman’s many vulnerabilities.
And, as distasteful as it is to suggest, he must distance himself from the most progressive elements that support him. I will never forget Maxine Waters for her courageous support of Ned when he needed it. But now, she must take on a different role, one less visible. Independents don’t like to believe that they are xenophobic and/or racist, but every poll has shown that these attitudes exist with them. They need to be seduced into Lamont’s camp by big ticket campaign items, while the scary progressives are muted.
That’s my take on it anyway. Your mileage may vary.
percy @ 65
Why did that go off in my head sung to the tune of Gilligan’s Isle?
I have been thinking of asking some of the great Democrats in elected office downticket in our state, to jointly write and sign a letter and send it to CT newspapers listing democratic values and why Lamont has them, why democrats should support the Democrat selected by democrats in CT, how important it is to elect Democrats with democratic values to Congress and the Senate.
Do you think it is beneficial to do something like this? Because if the national Democrats won’t do it, wouldn’t it be great if other elected Democrats step up? I think we should promote the values that were traditionally Democratic party values, even if the Democrats elected at the national level have forgotton what it meant to be a Democrat/democrat back in the day. You know, before money took all their values away?
Occasionally, the present state of our country becomes so crystal clear to me and I just want to scream:
WHAT THE FUCK HAS BECOME OF MY COUNTRY!!!!!!!!
It’s amazing how things have changed. There was a time in the fifties and 60’s when African-Americans and Jewish people felt a common bond as a result of some shared injustices. Seems this bond began breaking down and the first drops of poison was put into the well during the Nixon years. It’s pretty much historical that Nixon had no use at all for Jews and Blacks. Or for that matter any other non-wasp ethnic peoples. And it’s for sure Reagan had no ethnic sensitivity. And as for Bush, he has written off Blacks and simply uses the Israeli government and American Jews to further his decrepit and crass foreign policy objectives in the Middle East.
Sharon W @ 46 - I think those are excellent debate pointers. Get yourself over to the Lamont campaign. They can use your input. One caveat: I wouldn’t have Ned bring up Farakkan’s name at all. Ever. He is such an incendiary figure that trying to taint your opponent with him can only backfire. But you’re right that Ned should draw the obvious conclusion about HoJo’s relationship to civil rights and Jackson: HoJo is such a fucking hypocrite! (I think Pach would have said that, anyway)
Miro @56 -
I think Reid needs to hear from us, but rest assured, there’s a lot going on behing the scenes of the Dem leadership. They have their eyes on the prize and want to see a “51″ in their column come November 8th. That being said, there’s a lot of rumor out there lately that Senate leadership really wants to strip HoJo of his seniority. They’re trying to finagle how. We should keep on Reid - but remember to be respectful and polite with him. He needs our support as much as we need his leadership. We’ve got to find a way to convince him of that.
just saw a promo for This Weak… seems Kerry will be on and may be giving Egocrat Joe Liarman a piece of his mind…
In no particular order: thx all for your kind reaction to my latest anti-nuclear rant.
Imm, your comment/love/words of encouragement have probably saved the lives of 100 newborns. Seriously. If you encourage someone who is always on the edge of quitting, you keep them going. And if you think I would never quit you aren’t keeping up with Late Night Crises R Us.
By the weirdest of coincidences our family actually knows the young man who was the target of Allen’s racist venom.
I look a little like K. Harris but without any surgery. Don’t hate me for it.
I told you it was weird.
And yes I have no life, am waiting for the hour when we pass 17,000,000 visits.
Blacks are the most reliable Democratic voting block : 90% — this followed by the Jewish and GLBT voters : 75% Democratic . . .
The Republicans will make sure Hillary gets the nomination just as they are making sure Joe gets his ego stroked in this ridiculous fiasco. All these knuckleheads are being played. And Holy Joe and his pals keep trying to paint Ned as the interloper. It’s got Rove’s fingerprints all over it.
Geez, does he exactly caucus with them now? Seems to me he prefers to be a go between, like he’s the saviour of the political process.
Would it really matter who he caucused with if he’s neither a Dem nor Repub? Won’t he be a party of one?
Incidentally, WHAT exactly does caucus mean in the strict sense of the Senate?
Caucuses in the sense of “is counted with the Democrats in determining which party is in the majority” - the same way that Jeffords caucuses with the Democrats even though he’s an Independent.
Should Lieberman win, and I trust he won’t, he should caucus with the Republicans.
True colors, and like that.
Joe Klein sez:
The U.S isn’t a “malignant, imperialistic force in the world”?
Oh yeah, I almost forgot the “truth” is totally irrelevant in American political discourse in the era of Rove!
The smoking gun - Mann Coulter was right, the Big Dog is gay (and masochistic) if he let JoMo have his way with him!
Mark K @ 73
The survey also said that 52 percent of Americans believe there should be a timetable for withdrawing U.S. troops, while 41 percent believe there should not be.
Bush’s overall job approval rating was at 37 percent, which is in the danger zone for a president whose party is seeking to retain control of the U.S. Congress in the November election.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/200....._iraq_dc_4
Bush’s bullsh*t that the war on terror includes Iraq isn’t working. That, IMO, is the key to this race.
each party caucuses regularly for lunch at noon on Tuesdays when the Senate is in session …
I ♥ Al Gore, by the way.
Let’s send Joe beyond the Caucus mountains.
Ural washed up, Joey.
can’t stand to watch Himalaya it on so thick.
Maybe some of these Democrats who have announced support for Joe should be reminded how Joe’s race-baiting is going to look when they come up for re-election…
I mean can’t you hear that narrator with “the voice” saying, “When Joe Lieberman decided to ignore the will of Connecticut Democrats in the primary election, where was (Mary Landrieu/Ken Salazar/Tom Carper, etc)? Right by his side, endorsing and supporting him. When Joe Lieberman was using Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson and Maxine Waters to scare the voters of Connecticut away from Ned Lamont, what did those same Democrats have to say about those tactics? (Crickets chirping).”
An appeal to self-interest may be the ticket, since the greater good of the party apparently isn’t enough.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 77
We are on the same frequency. Earlier today I was thinking about exactly that, and thinking I should do some in-depth research on it. It’s a very relevant issue and I think we need more analysis of it.
Joe is a caucusucker, actually.
I’ll let George Allen call him a macaucus…
HoJo: mole, or mold?
there’s a caucus so raucus
there’s a fungus among us
shoephone @ 78
Why thanks, I’m working on it. I have connections to the campaign as well as Sharpton and Jesse.
However, I disagree on the Farakkan thing. You would NOT BELIEVE how pissed off people got about Joe’s involvement, especially the Jewish. People have short memories. They need to be reminded that Joe is a panderer and NOT the committed to principles sort. Did you read the second page of the Conanson article? WHOA! Everybody and every group was outraged by that incident. They need reminding.
It’s called digging up the real dirt versus fabricated crap on your opponent, but using it judiciously. With a little thought it could easily be inserted into the proper context.
Someone needs to say it. Voters are tired of our votes not being counted. And even when they are counted, they don’t count.
Glad to see some one else thought of Jim Crow Joe. I don’t see at all why it would be too harsh if Lieberman does not explicitly repudiate, by name, all the reactionary wingnuts who have expressed support. In fact, I think it would be a rather mild and charitable nickname.
As for caucus with Democrats? Cautious Democratic party man me says, ‘yeah, gotta get a majority and throw a roadblock in front of the BushCo madness by any means necessary, even if it means putting up with the contemptible hypocrite Lieberman.’ On other hand, when I consider damage BushCo can do with Lieberman’s help over next two years, I think “Caucus, schmauckus, so what?” I think other sitting Democrats should think about that too.
But, problem is that Lieberman’s course over last few months, and especially since he realized he might lose primary, shows that he really is bad news. He has already caused great damage to the country while caucusing with Democrats. As an independent, will Dems party have ability to slap him down when he betrays is supposed progressive principles, or common decency? They didn’t when he was a Democrat, so how could they if he is an independent. This sanctimonious egotistical self-righteous slimey lying ponce will run off and do some political publicity stunt to pave the way for BushCo crimes. If results are bottom line, then getting rid of him is as important as getting rid of other GOP office holders. That means hard row to hoe over next two months for getting a chamber, but I cannot talk myself out of the bottom line. Lieberman has become a mortal enemy to any truly moderate, let alone liberal or progressive agenda. Unless of course you are a very simple minded person and look at cooked and gamed floor vote records and cannot think. Then a case might be made for this political bottom feeder -but that is political fantasy league game, not reality.
I think it is necessary to pay attention to other races, and not obsess over Liberman, but no question that his hypocrisy and bad faith actions need to be mercilessly highlighted from here on out.
Traitor Joe has got to go!
cosmo @
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This is war. Joe’s made it clear whose side he is on, and it’s not on the side of the Democratic Party. The time for “asking” HoJo to do anything has passed. He’s dead to us, and he ought to be dead to Harry Reid. The guy should lose all his committee assignments immediately — especially since he’s now doing business with a Republican pollster.
BTW, is he going to the DNC meeting tomorrow? I doubt it.
Vicki, Who ♥ Al Gore @ 88
it’s time for us to throw Joe out of the Democratic ♣
Now that Punaise and Eli have started going at it, I guess I can go off topic with a movie review - Snakes on a Plane. I regret to inform you that SoaP completely, absolutely, totally, and unreservedly SUCKED ASS. I expected a ridiculous, tedious “plot” and superficial character development, so I and was not disappointed in that respect. I was, however, hoping for some good snake footage. Unfortunately, the snake stuff was largely fake and unrealistic - Lots of second rate plastic animatronic snakes, and computer generated snakes. Most of the live snake actors were harmless varieties; corn snakes and milk snakes (which they tried to pass off as the similarly marked coral snake, although the did have some real corals). They also sped up the snakes’ movement so you couldn’t identify markings. I did make out sidewinders, a monocled cobra, mangrove snakes, and rattlers, including western diamondbacks. No sign of the spectacular Gaboon viper shown in trailers. Some kids in the audience seemed to enjoy the movie as camp, and snake-o-phobes were duly frightened.
As for caucus with Democrats? Cautious Democratic party man me says, ‘yeah, gotta get a majority and throw a roadblock in front of the BushCo madness by any means necessary, even if it means putting up with the contemptible hypocrite Lieberman.’ On other hand, when I consider damage BushCo can do with Lieberman’s help over next two years, I think “Caucus, schmauckus, so what?” I think other sitting Democrats should think about that too.
As I understand it, being the majority party, even nominally, is a huge deal. It would give the Democrats control of the legislative agenda, a majority on, say, the Judiciary and Intelligence Committees, and even, dare I think it, subpoena powers.
All that being said:
A) I’m not convinced that Joe actually will caucus with the Democrats.
B) I’d still much rather see an actual Democrat in that spot, who votes with the Democrats as well as caucusing with them.
Please guys, look at the CT electorate in demographic terms. CT has several cities, New Haven, Hartford, Bridgeport, with very poor inner cities beset by drug gangs (African American and Latino) poor schools, High Unemployment, and all the rest. If they vote, they vote Democratic. But traditionally, they are also attached to Lieberman — he gets more proportional support there than he does among indies and liberals from the middle class, and the employed and better educated.
The largest ethnic group in CT is Italians. They have been migrating Republican for some time — note the Waterbury Mayor indicted and convicted as a pedophile a few years back. There is a white ethnic block in the Republican Party largely organized during the Nixon years — as part and parcel of the same Southern Strategy. It is not overtly racist — but it is not all that much interested in empowering the inner cities described above. By playing the Jackson/Waters/Sharpton race card early in the game — Lieberman is playing to this crowd. Yes — one can condemn that, but the audience here are the 3rd and 4th generation Immigrants who twenty-five years ago were Conservative Democrats living in the same houses in the inner cities now occupied by black and brown folk. They don’t want to go back or really even associate. Thus the move out of the cities and into the arms of the Republicans.
Lamont has to carefully use a knife to cut into this. You get no votes by calling folk racist — none, believe me. But you also don’t get votes by ignoring the question. Lamont’s challenge is to find language, issues and all that point away from the fears and clevages of the past and into a more positive vision.