
The authors of Bush’s Brain are working on a sequel. And they apparently have some inside sources to meetings that Karl Rove had with Jack Abramoff that have proved very interesting…to Karl Rove.
…Just as he did with "Bush’s Brain," Rove managed to acquire an early galley version of the new book. He is disturbed about several matters but appears most deeply troubled about how the narrative proves he has had a complex relationship with convicted felon Jack Abramoff. Information provided to us for the book by an eyewitness and participant in Rove and Abramoff meetings gives lie to Rove and the White House’s claims that Abramoff was barely known by the administration. Karl has always known who has money to spend on politics and how to use those people. Our witness, who also told the same story to federal investigators, details meetings between Rove and Abramoff that show the two were using each other for their own political ends.
After reading the galley, Rove called Slater and denied the meetings ever occurred. He wants us to believe that our source simply made up the events and also lied to federal investigators. Of course, Karl Rove is the same man who claimed he did not speak to reporters about Valerie Plame’s identity until her name was published by Robert Novak and he is the same person who told the world Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. I do not believe anything he says nor should anyone in our country…. (emphasis mine)
Interesting that evidence regarding the associations with Abramoff would trigger such a swift CYA response from Karl Rove, isn’t it? I was especially intrigued by the mention that the book’s source was also a cooperating witness for the DoJ in their ongoing investigation of corruption associated with Abramoff throughout the Republican power hierarchy in Washington, D.C. and beyond. And I started wondering what that tantalizing little tidbit could possibly mean in terms of Karl’s level of…say…cooperation in this and other matters which are still under investigation.
Oh, what a tangled web we weave…
I found the HuffPo piece via yesterday’s Froomkin column (which was, as always, well worth the read), and it reminded me that there are a number of smaller matters that have been floating out there regarding the Traitorgate investigation, the pending Libby trial and other issues that I just haven’t had time to cover the last few weeks. (We HAVE been busy here at FDL, haven’t we?)
Libby has filed his Rule 702 disclosures on having a memory expert testify on his behalf at trial. Jeralyn covered this well here, and she has graciously uploaded both the motion and a copy of the letter that Team Libby sent to Patrick Fitzgerald for your reading pleasure. As Jeralyn says:
The expert only should be allowed to explain the principles of memory and memory failure to the jury. He should not be allowed to render an opinion as to whether Libby’s memory failed since that’s the ultimate question for the jury to decide.
This is absolutely correct. The expert witness ought to be allowed to talk about potential memory issues and the circumstances under which Libby was operating. But the jury will have every fact in front of it — including Libby’s obsessive note taking, the multiple meetings that he had on the subject of Joe Wilson with various memebrs of the Administration and the Vice President himself, and every scrap of paper (including Wilson’s op-ed from the NYTimes, covered in Cheney’s handwritten marching orders — see here and here) — and the jury will be able to make up its own mind whether Scooter’s attempted tap dance is at all believable.
If I had to guess, I’d say that the memory expert is going to be put to use as much for attempts at discrediting other witnesses in the case as he will try to be useful to the Team Libby defense team as a bolster to Libby’s "my Swiss cheese memory made me lie about outing a covert CIA agent," but that may be because they have switched experts from Daniel L. Schacter, a scholarly type at Harvard, to Robert Bjork of UCLA, who appears to have a special interest in short term memory issues.
Meanwhile, Patrick Fitzgerald, who has been flanking Lord Black at pretty much every turn of late, got a recent mention from Attorney General Alberto Gonzales:
Asked if he planned to leave U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald in place in Chicago, Gonzales said, "I think he’s doing a fine job. I’m not aware of any changes . . . in the status of Mr. Fitzgerald. As far as I’m concerned, he’s doing a good job."
While it sounds good, in the "up is down" administration, you never can tell. But I’ve e-mailed the reporter to see if I can get some clarification on the whole quote — whether there was a pause or whether there are a few more words missing. I will, of course, let you know if and when I hear anything back from the reporter.
There is a closed-door hearing in the Libby case today with Judge Walton, to determine some of the CIPA issues with regard to classified materials. I will of course update if I hear any news out of this hearing — but it is likely to be only a first step in a series of hearings with regard to document admissibility, redactions and all sorts of other legal haggles over what can and cannot be presented publicly at trial or discussed even privately among the lawyers and parties involved.
Amb. Joe Wilson and his wife Valerie have picked up new attorneys in their civil suit. The Muck has details here. And in an amusing aside, Dick Cheney has lawyered up for the civil suit as well — hiring the same lawyers that worked for Bill Clinton during his impeachment. (I’m sure there is a joke there somewhere. H/T to TheOtherWA for the links on the two Muck stories.)
Related posts:
- The Bush Fairy Tale on the Libby Pardon
- Jim Cooper and Karl Rove Talking Health Care in Nashville This Saturday
- Washington Post: Rove More Involved in US Attorney Firings Than He Claims
- Connecting The Eyeliner Dots On the Rove Role In DOJ Firings?
- Cheney’s Betrayal Made an IIPA Charge for Libby Possible





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Valerie — hubba-hubba !
Good news about bad people
Greetings from the shores of Lake Huron.
(Sitting on a poached wireless connection at the cottage where we couldn’t get anything other than AM radio in my youth)
Imm & Lotus and other frustrated editors, I just loaded Foxfire onto the desktop, and low and behold EDIT works, as it does not in IE on the laptop. Just sayin’
TUBEZ
Mack @ 5
Est-ce-que vous tubez, monsieur?
Good to know the back burners are still on simmer.
(Seems like a hundred years ago that we were all Fitzgerald and Wilson and Libby and Rove…all the time.)
I saw that bit in Froomkin also, and it raised my eyebrows, and my suspicions that while Rove may have one foot partially out of the shit-pile he’s been standing in, he’s got another foot buried up to the ankle in it. And it may be sinking.
OK, this is a totally gratuitous pimping, but if any firepups can offer a couple minutes to call up CT town clerks, today will be the first day to see how Lieberman’s petition gathering went. Got a coupla minutes?
G’morning Christy!
And THANK YOU for my favorite kind of headline!
Now on to read the post!
Christy:
I know there’s been speculation that Rove is cooperating. Christy, care to wonder out loud?
Re: the Wilsons, I am going to point out that I think the lawyer switch is a very good thing. They are now being represented by CREW, an NGO, which means that some of the financial pressure and issue are going to be different for them – and the walking boss of their team, Erwin Chemerinsky, is still with them. I think that the lead off lawyer were friends of the WIlsons IIRC, and this kind of suit would likely be major undertaking for them if they were not the kind of firm already geared for such a suit
Getting CREW is like the Wilson’s getting a defense fund; except for the cocktails with Matlin.
oh what a tangled web indeed…
to think that the rover may not quite yet be out of legal jeopardy is too titillating for these morning hours with all of this coffee coursing through my veins
Matt:
seeing as how Lieberman only needed 7500 valid signatures and turned in 18,000, one can only assume that at least half will be good ones.
God, what a great hunk of news.
Memory experts….hmmmmmm. That is not a settled body of literature.
Tommy, that stove never rests.
Morning all — medaka, thought you could use a Fitz fix. *g*
I’m still laughing at the non-ironic Bush’s Brain, Part Two.
meta at 17 — read the whole HuffPo piece. It’s a doozy. My “to read” pile is getting bigger by the day…
Rove linked with Abramoff-what a huge surprise
Meta, loved your “Excited States” in the last thread.
The cooperating witness – I figured Abramoff himself or Ralston.
If Ralston, it does make you wonder about things.
I’m still on teeth grinding edge after reading about Ashcroft’s lobbying biz – for surveillance tech cos – and his smug bit at the end about how everyone thanks him for all his work, doing the right thing, yada yada.
Suppressed Marianna’s report and his boys handing off classified info to Abramoff in the skyboxes and the investigation there shut down, etc. – oh yeah, Ashcroft is such a great guy.
With White House in total control over the DOJ, why have they let this investigation go on? Why has the White House allowed any investigation in to criminal acts by any Republicans go forward. I am gald that there are some investigations, jail time is needed
Christy Hardin Smith @ 17
Yes! Me and 10,000 other Firedogs!
Oh, sending some green lurve to you in a minute or so.
If you can confirm, I will do the Snoopy dance ….
One more observation – the DOJ lawyers working Libby include the lawyer who handled the Safavian trial. So a crossover link tieing the Abramoff team to the Libby team.
OK, now I am pissed — I just spent about ten minutes writing a great post (with citations) about the expert testimony law, relevance, and Libby’s waiver of the fifth amendment.
I spell checked it and that shut down my browser. Damn.
The final point was (without analysis or citations): Libby has a very difficult road to walk on this:
1) His expert will have to prove that his testimony is not based on Junk Science (Daubert v. Merrel Dow)
2) His expert’s testimony will have to be relevant to the issues in the case (Dawson v. Delaware)
BUT
3) Not so relevant to be based on any contact with, or information like reports from, Libby himself because then that would end Libby’s fifth amendment right on the issue of mental ability and the Government could compel him to cooperate with rtheir own memory expert to assess him (Buchanan v. Kentucky).
Sorry if this doesn’t make the sense it should — believe me, it is a well reasioned and supported conclusion. Later gang!
Old Sow! I missed the morning coffee and treats you always have. I have this vision of you in a great field of berries with a lovely basket, happily communing with nature.
Christy, will do! My reading pile is so out of control, but I guess it’s better to be curious and well-armed. Heee.
imm — thanks for that fine mini-brief. BTW, I’ve learned to hit Copy on any comment of medium-or-better size or complexity before I hit Submit. A good plan for Spell Check too, eh?
Mary @ 22
Ashcroft lobbying for surveillance tech? OMG. Obscenity.
It’s got to be Ralston. The things she knows, I mean knows, for sure knows.
Meta, check out the buffet table…..yeah, there over to the left…..still harvesting blueberries for the blueberry upside down cake….and there are now a few blackberries in the bowlful of raspberries and yogurt….and I’ve just refilled the coffee and teapots…….and the best is there’s always enough…….
Thanks for your pretty picture of my life…..
Thanks for the update..I guess Fitz is lying low for awhile. I hope the lull is keeping Bushco very nervous.
Why not both Ralston AND Abramoff? My best guess, they’re all singing at the top o’ their bents (and not enjoying the contemplation of prison any more than Ken Lay did).
immanentize @ 26
Wow, that’s important info. I’m not sure I understand your 3rd point, but I understand you have to get back to your work. Maybe some other time. I did a lot of work on memory and wound up writing a thesis on a few studies I did for my first BA. So if anyone sees the name of this expert witness, please pass it along. TIA.
Christy 16
I’m bettin’ there be a whole lotta folk in line wit’ medaka & moi.
THANKS for the delightful morning waker-upper!
Matt. Do plans still call for checking signatures in re validitity, purty pleeze?
Visiting OS in the morning is one of life’s great pleasures.
immanentize @
25
I’m sure your original post was well reasoned – sorry it disappeared! Perhaps the NSA can find it for you. . .
Your last point would be an interesting one to see tested. Imagining Irving going before the government’s expert . . . mmmmm!
Imman – thanks for the summary (sorry the post was lost). I hadn’t even thought about 3.
I think that they will be using the expert to lay the groundwork that “others” are misremembering their conversations with Libby as well, bc they go to that over and over. Any tiger traps on that?
It’s also interesting that, despite the references in the complaint about the exchange with Rove, Gov’s only statements about him have been that they are not going to use him as a witness. You have to wonder if Libby really will use him, as they claim, and just where that might go.
OS, you’re amazing.
WOW, Mary – DOJ/Safavian/Libby. Yum.
I recall reading that the LamontLawyers, when hearing of WhinyJoe’s petitioning effort, vowed to challenge the signatures. That’s just good basic practical politics, hardly rocket science or Supreme-Court-level jurisprudence …
Good Morning FireDogLake. I overslept this morning, and awakened to a picture of the lovely Ms Plame and the gorgeous Mr Wilson. Christy any time you’re in New England, you’ve got a mug of coffee ready for you.
Susan Ralston was formerly Abramoff’s assistant and then went to work for Karl Rove in the W.H. Her current job status is seemingly murky. Secretaries often know where the bodies and blue dresses are buried …
Just yesterday I was thinking that, Sure, maybe Ned Lamont is good at dismantling talking points, but Fitzy is still the Master. And today I get my Fitzy fix!
and let’s not forget a hearty “Good Morning!” to Barbara Comstock who will be reading this thread, delving for insights into Libby’s opposition …
Just a reminder for everyone: Sherrod Brown, Democratic candidate for Senate in Ohio will be here this afternoon for a special Blue America at 5:30 pm ET (2:30 pm PT). Sherrod has a very good chance of picking up the seat for the Dems, and Howie has some great information for everyone. Sherrod will be here — to chat in comments — and I’d appreciate it if everyone could drop by and welcome him. :)
It would be interesting if contradictions in Rove’s Abramoff testimony might cause Fitzgerald to reconsider his assessment of Rove’s veracity in GJ testimony.
Surely one DoJ office must be talking, informally, with the other when they share witnesses, etc. ???
FINALLY, a fitz fix…been a while…I hope more comes soon
*ilson46201 @
40
Yes! And don’t forget Ralph Reed. eeeeesh.
Why not both Ralston AND Abramoff?
COuld be – I was just talking in connection with Moore’s piece, where he talks about source in the singular.
OT, but I couldn’t stand it if anyone should miss the [not at ALL]prostrateddragon masterpiece here.
Christy:
Thank you for the update. Please catch up with the Plame afair. It’s my favorite topic and the one that made me become addicted to this blog.
By teh way did you read the rather positive spin on Lieberman in teh NY Times this morning?
I’ll post the link in a sesond..
Christy – I found this link by way of Raw Story: http://www.alertnet.org/thenew…..401689.htm
Okay:
Here’s the link to the Times piece, see what you guys think…
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08…..r=homepage
Christy, you’re the only one whose thoughts on this i can follow
personally, i think our legal system’s all about power — power comes in many shapes & bush is finding out he doesn’t control all sources of power — he almost did when americans overwhelmingly supported his taking us into iraq, but the more he screws up the weaker he gets
From Reuters: Plame lawyer plans to force Cheney, Rove testimony
I owe Stephen Parrish a Coke.
Want rum in that, Stephen?
OT – read this morning that Santorum is closing the gap on Casey in PA…less than 10 points now.
I heard this morning that Hezbollah will be spending $150 million on reconstruction and relief efforts in Lebanon. Working in concert with the Lebanese Govt of course.
In 90 to 180 days Nasrallah will demand elections and his political wing will gain real clout in the new government. Add that to his plan to merge his fighters with the Lebanese Army and condi’s dream of a new Middle East will be well on it’s way.
Anyone know about when this civil suit will commence?
Justice delayed is justice denied.
Hello Redd. Thanks for the fitz fix. Jonesin’ for that.
Did you ever check out that Bird Bingo (sent a link to your aol account a couple of weeks ago)?
OS – thanks for the Foxfire tip.
unrelated to anything: I’ve spilled TWO cups of coffee already today and am going to have to make another pot – my inner Condi is befused and confuddled, “Would you really want to make coffee if we haven’t bombed the Starbuck in Iran yet?”
Mary spills, we spew. Ach, hard day in da kaffeeklatsch . . .
kalina77 @
51
That piece infuriates me. And Hillary and Brazile should STFU.
Completely off the topic, but my second bird-posting in a week: AmericaBlog links to a Reuters report about three gay stork couples raising chicks in the Amsterdam Zoo: http://today.reuters.com/tv/vi…..tory=False
Hope I did that link properly but the video is worth a look-see.
(As the news gets grimmer and the pressure builds, I’m finding a lot of refuge/solace in plants and animals.)
lotus @ 60
Crikey, I feel like I’m living upside-down from you all. I can only SPLASH ….
I didn’t know how badly I needed a Fitz/Wilson/Libby fix until reading the Muckrakers yesterday. :)
It’s so exciting to see CREW handling the Wilson’s lawsuit. They do great work. And Cheney’s lawyer was Clinton’s lawyer during impeachment? Haha! Cheney’s not stupid, he knows he’s in deep water on these issues.
We’ll probably hear little to nothing from the closed hearing today, but at least something is happening.
The end of this year is going to be very busy. We go from elections right into the holidays, then straight into Libby’s trial. It’s not that far away. *g* Goody, goody!
Thank heaven for the Saracens!
Mack — you near Alpena, or are you south of there on the sunrise side? Enjoy the morning!
Stephen Parrish — how’d you like to do some research on donations? P J Evans and I have been passing back and forth a spreadsheet, good fun. You in? Watch your email.
Christy — thank you for this post, what a great way to start the morning. Imagine Rover squirming under his too-tight collar and tie. Heh.
Seems to me that anyone with the ability to get an early galley has a lot of other capabilities…makes me hope that Fitz has an early galley, too, along with copies of all the reference material that went into the book.
Mary, you do not have an inner Condi. Or maybe I missed that thread, too. But, wasn’t it Condi that said – before Saddam, people couldn’t go out for coffee? Sums it all up, doesn’t it?
Mary, KeeRiced, I think you have to stop channeling Condi this early in the day. It was the workout routine that spilled your coffee.
meta @ 61
Indeed they should shut it NOW!
But that headline did crack me up.
“New Lieberman Retooling…”
Tool and tool again then tool some fucking more.
Points for accuracy there, eh?
There is no inner Condi — that’s her problem !
medaka @ 63
All evidence to date, my dear, indicates that WE’re in the upside-down country — and gots the headaches to prove it, too.
I just ran across this in a New York Observer article linked from Huffington Post and was thinking — have not heard from Christy lately on this whole Plame affair.
Is it not a crime if the person(s) avoided conviction in the matter?
“It is increasingly apparent that no crime was committed in the course of Ms. Plame’s identity being revealed. Moreover, the leak exposed a fact of legitimate public interest—that Ms. Plame had played a significant role in sending her husband, Joseph Wilson, on his now-infamous trip to Niger.”
http://www.observer.com/200608…..seguys.asp
Condi has crude oil running thru her veins.
Anne @ 57
How could this possibly be true? When I wear my tinfoil hat, I hear messages that this is the beginning part of the plan to impliment the diebold voting machine switch-the-vote scam. That way no one will be too surprised when the underdog wins. Start with a fake poll suggesting that Santorum is closing the gap.
The Tool Re-Tools.
Re: the NYT piece: I think what is going on is Matt’s observation about big-money types on both Coasts going for Lieberman as a knee-jerk pro-Israel response. Not the nicest thing to have to say, but, like Occam’s Razor, it sure explains the mushiness of the response of so many Dems. they’re afraid of losing their funding.
Todd @ 72
Todd, the investigation is not over. Just because no one’s been convicted yet doesn’t mean no one will. The fat lady hasn’t arrived at the theater yet, she sure ain’t ready to sing. ;)
lotus @ 71
Yeah, lote, it IS pretty upside-down there,
which is why I left waybackwhen (Cut-n–run MOI!)
but also why I am here on FDL now,
and doing what little I can in the blogosphere….
meta @ 67 – it was worse than saying they couldn’t; Madame Secy explained that no one wanted to drink coffee when Hussein was in charge. Who knew?
workout routine – snort.
type e, type t, hit shift, right click, right click, neckroll and begin again.
Selim Iam
*ilson et al., in a calmer period not all that long ago, I thoroughly enjoyed reading Tom Standage’s A History of the World in 6 Glasses. Bet you would/have too: Standage lays out how — from beer in the Stone Age through wine, spirits, coffee, and tea to cola just here recently — our drinks have shaped our history.
The more I think about it, the less likely I think it is that Team Irving will put Dr. Memory on the stand. The benefit would be minimal to their case, and the line of questioning that it would open up would be truly problematic.
Q: Ms. Matalin, did you ever observe memory problems in Mr. Libby?
Q: Mr. Addington, did you ever observe memory problems in Mr. Libby?
Q: Mr. Rove, did you ever observe memory problems in Mr. Libby?
Q: Mr. Card, did you ever obeserve memory problems in Mr. Libby?
Q: Mr. Cheney, did you ever observe memory problems in Mr. Libby?
Q: Mr. Bush, did you ever observe memory problems in Mr. Libby?
If the answer is no, Irving’s case takes a big hit. The only way Irving is helped is if he gets lots of “Yes, he had a lot of memory problems” from his friends. Of course, then the followup questions is obvious:
Q: Up until his resignation, did Mr. Libby have access to presidential Daily Briefs?
Q: Did he have access to DOD plans for Iraq? Did he have access to confidential information from Treasury? State? Justice? CIA? NSA?
Q: If his memory problems were so bad, why in the world would you keep him in his position?
Q: If his memory problems were so bad, why in the world would you send him to talk to the press, even on deep background?
Dr. Memory is a shiny ball on the witness list, IMHO as a non-lawyer. You can’t call someone who isn’t on the list, so you put them there if there’s even a chance you’ll use them – but when push comes to shove, I doubt Dr. Memory will be called to testify.
It’d be fun to see this line of questioning, though!
medaka @ 78
…but now you are adapting to win!
twolf1 @ 82
YESSS!
I just read John Dean’s book, “Conservatives Without Conscience.” Dean leads off with a memoir of 1990 about a book attacking him as one of the kingpins of Watergate, and his wife as being an accomplice of a call-girl madam, which he first learned about when Mike Wallace called to say it would be on the next week’s “60 Minutes.” Wallace told him point blank that even though the book was about to be published, Dean couldn’t read any of it so as to respond to the allegations. (Dean spent a hectic week setting things straight, and eventually was “satisfied” by the results of his lawsuit against the publishers.)
Here’s the point. If Dean couldn’t get galley proofs of such a book, how come Karl Rove can?
Bergus @ 14 – Sometimes a great many get thrown out – not only does the correct info need to appear, it also has to be collected by a voter registered in the same town as the person signing the petition. So a lot will be “real” signatures that are disqualified for some reason.
Adie @ 33 – link in my post #9… I’ve stopped for a bit to give my poor studiomate a break, but there are several people still in there…
lotus @ 80
OOO! I’m putting together a little bookshopping list, and THIS sounds right up my, er, historical alley! I really only want to read history now. O please Barbara Tuchman, come back and help us!
The pro-Israeli lobby funding J-Lie should take a deep breath and look beneath the knee-jerk flash, smash’n’boom of the recent adventure and consider whether it’s put Israel–and us–in greater danger. I sure feel more confident in the calm and reason that Ned evinces every time he speaks than the hysterical send-your-kids-to-die-not-mine posturing of the Liebermans and Kristols of these times.
Heads-up. MSNBC soliciting opinions on Allen and the M-word in the current segment. Hmmm, a spotlight opportunity?
Interspersed with breathless all-terra alla time Republican’ts steno-ing, of course.
I just know in my gut that Rover is caught up in things bigger than himself at this point…. I only hope and pray we learn of them before he is able to reek more havoc in the world. Evil evil man
The pro-Israeli lobby funding J-Lie should take a deep breath and look beneath the knee-jerk flash, smash’n’boom of the recent adventure and consider whether it’s put Israel–and us–in greater danger.
Sure they should, PS — but when has that crowd ever demonstrated their first lick of sense?
OT but whoohoo– Contessa Brewer on msnbc just told the audience that Allen’s momma is from Tunisia and macaca is a derogatory term!!!
the story is coming out.
I just realized I misread Christy’s piece the first time around and Bjork will be the memory expert at this time. I just went over his CV, and his latest research is focused on self-limiting retrieval and disuse. This guy a top expert. It will be interesting to see what happens. Schacter wasn’t the right choice because his research is too narrow and focused on aging.
PS– perhaps a thank you note to Ms. Brewer is in order!
Hot damn, angie — they ARE reading here (or somewhere nearby)!
If Dean couldn’t get galley proofs of such a book, how come Karl Rove can?
That’s like asking why Nixon couldn’t get by with an illegal covert surveillance program for a few days at Watergate, but Bush not only gets by with a massive illegal cover surveillance program for half a decade, he has members of Congress rushing and stumbling over themselves to retroactively legalize the massive accumulation of felonies.
Rayne @ 7:05 and dannyboy @ 7:13 am – ”…like Occam’s Razor, it sure explains the mushiness of the response of so many Dems. they’re afraid of losing their funding.”
Is there any way to determine how much funding they’re receiving from AIPAC and affiliated organizations and/or individuals? AIPAC’s annual revenues are about forty million dollars. Since what funds AIPAC has available for campaign contributions accordingly probably don’t go that far, we need to look elsewhere for additional sources of funds.
IANAL, so these questions might be naive…
RE: Bush’s Brain Part Two
We don’t know otherwise, but why wouldn’t the author’s lawyers be all over the publisher’s lawyers regarding Rove obtaining a galley? I would think that the authors, at the least (and also the publishers), could prove harm by “pre-publication” of this information.
And don’t these galleys get numbered and sealed before distribution? Maybe not, because if they are in any way identified, I’d have my lawyers all over Rove to produce the copy he has. Then again, IANAL, so…
I’ve never written a book, but I sure have been responsible for distribution of confidential information and the manner in which it should be controlled, and if “leaking” had ever happened on my watch, I would have been fired.
Any thoughts from the gallery?
Re: the NYT article…
First, if one is already a tool, is it possible to re-tool? I mean if you started life as a sander (smoothing all those rough edges and making things “nice”), say, can you become a screwdriver?
Second, why oh why does the media keep reaching out to the Donna Braziles of the Democratic universe? It’s like asking the coach of the last place team what strategy the second place team should use to move into first place. If Donna Brazile actually knew what she was talking about, she wouldn’t have to go back as far as the Clinton win to find a candidate she worked with who actually won a race.
Third, thank God for Tom Swan, who seems to know that the last thing Ned needs is some Bob Shrum-like consultant to come in and undo all the good work that has proved to be a winning strategy. As for attracting moderates, what makes these “experts” think that Ned isn’t already attracting moderates? When 60% of the country wants out of Iraq, a good portion of them have to be moderates.
Re: Rove, Libby and the Wilsons…
Rove seems spooked by the speculation that he is cooperating in any fashion – kind of chips away at the veneer of fearlessness he’s been wearing for so long.
Libby needing a memory expert just makes me laugh. Libby’s in a maze, thinking that the memory expert is going to help him find his way out, but doesn’t see that it may just lead him right into a corner from which there will be no exit.
Re: Santorum/Casey…
It was a Quinnipiac poll that showed, in a three way race with Casey, Santorum and the Green Party candidate, 45% Casey, 39% Santorum, 5% Romanelli and 11% undecided.
In a two-way race, it’s Casey at 47%, Santorum at 40%, with 13% undecided.
I wonder if anyone asked Cheney (in that phoned in press conf he gave to support Lieberaman) whether he’s been questioned by the Brits in connection with their Halliburton/KBR Nigeria bribery case?
IANAL, but The memory failure defense seems to be a first cousin to the insanity defense. An expert can tell the jury that yes, under certain circumstances an insane person may be led to kill, but this ipso facto does not say that the current defendant killed because they were insane. First, they would have to testify that the defendant was in fact insane, and that the killing was circumstantially linked to the defendant’s insanity. In other words, even an insane person can have enough rationality to commit murder. Yes? No? Look at Hitler, et. al.
In Libby’s case they would have to prove that Libby, one of the best minds (gasp) in the OVP, with a demonstrably good memory on a lot of official matters, somehow selectively forgot discussions he had about Valerie Plame. Proving the condition (weak memory) is not enough. They have to explain why he specifically forgot about Plame but not about a lot of other official stuff.
Of course the defense team knows this, so this is another red herring tactic. Seems like judge Walton would have to permit the expert testimony, but warn the jury they should not jump to conclusions based on the testimony. The defense would be trying to befuddle the jury, which of course is their right to do so. But a good prosecutor should be able to punch a lot of holes in this line of defense.
Good Morning Gang,
O/T
looks like we’re gonna have our own Kiss Float soon here in God’s Country -
Mary Beth Harrell running against DeLay’s boy
John Carter
suggested: His Master’s Voice
Carter listening to DeLay marching orders like the good little lap dog he is
or
DeLay applying rubber stamp (Carter’s head)to desired legistlation (mechanized, but we can do it – 4H’ers said they’d help)
or
Carter attempting to run away from DeLay, but being mechanically snapped back in to an embrace
btw, DeLay is all Godfathered Up in each scenario
what d’yall think ?
Howard Dean needs to fire Donna Brazile. Either she doesn’t know how to do press, and so her stupid quotes get out there, or she’s actively damaging the candidacy of the Democratic nominee for Senate in Connecticut. Too friendly by half with Bay Buchanan, Ms. Brazile is. Let her go commentate for Teh Beard.
OT
Ned Lamont has written a great piece for the WSJ
http://www.opinionjournal.com/…..=110008801
I really like this man and his politics
Christy
Thankyou for the headsup about Sherrod Brown interview TODAY 5:30pmET/2:30PT.
I hope everyone who can make it will show up and get those questions flowing.
Good man! Important race! OHIO NEEDS FDL! ;->
blue e @ 101
Wow – that was a great piece. What is unsaid, but crystal clear, is that Joe didn’t listen, isn’t interested in listening, and that’s why voters turned away from him.
I am so tired of the msnbc & cnn 24/ Breaking News banners. The sky is falling fakeout. The flight diverted to Boston will probably use up a good 2 hours so they can avoid reporting on anything of substance.
Teddy — could you please send a message to Dean and the DNC about Brazile?
She’s currently the Chair of the DNC’s Voting Rights Institute; anything she does ought to be tightly focused on this role and on reducing disenfranchisement of voters. If she’s yapping about anything else, she is off message and diluting her effectiveness.
Brazile is a mole working for the rethugs. Who is “The Beard”? (It is not yet googleable.) Thanks.
lotus
Thanks for link to the wonderful rant from prostratedragon.
AND THANK YOU prdragon for writing it.
Christy:
Have you finished reading Conservatives without Conscience?
John Dean says there that Libby is, IIRC, is one of the hardest-core authoritarian types in the administration. He says that somebody like Libby would definitely take one for his boss, and that that’s probably what Libby is doing for Cheney.
BTW, except for saying we’re not yet on the road to fascism (while documenting that we are) Dean pretty much pulls no punches in CwC.
It’s sure good to read your take on Fitz, Libby, Rove again.
Brazile? She may not be smart enough, but I think she’s actively damaging the campaign. And Hillary, who is smart enough, is doing the same. There’s a whole lot of double dipping going on here. Just sayin’.
Gather ye rosebuds* as ye may and feed ye not the trolls…
*apologies to Marion Davies…
VERY GOOOOD!
Jon Stewart and Macaca
A pocketful of gliebers!!
ironranger @ 104
They’ve already been told by fed officials that it’s not terrorism. but they continue to beat the dead horse.
Breaking news: daryn kagan wont STFU
hackworth @ 107
Leslie “Woof” Blitzer
TeddySanFran @ 101
Why in the world would I want Donna Brazile commenting for me? And if she was, would I have to be polite to Bay Buchanan (*ick* what an image…Beard:”M’lady, wouldst thou likest some sugar in thine tea?” BB:”Hirsute homo! Horrors!” I think it would go less than swimmingly.)
blue e, thanks for that great link — I just sent it to my email list as “Why I wouldn’t mind one little bit if this guy is our next Prez.”
My favorite sentence from Lamont’s article in the WSJ:
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This brilliantly parodies the “stay the course” mantram. But of course, they are no longer staying the course, they are now into “adapting to win.” The administration’s approach to managing war is not much different from selling soft drinks: “Things go better with Coke.” Coming up with slogans is their version of implementing a winning strategy. And while they do slogans, US soldiers and Iraqui civilians die every day.
Amen on the Donna Brazile and the WSJ piece.
cbl – I like them all three; whichever floats your vote *g*
Santorum/Casey – the GOP has been all over this race. I guess the folks who backed Casey felt they knew what they were doing, but he sure doesn’t seem like a hugely different alternative
I think you’d have to use words like brilliant to accurately describe how the Libby case has been handled by Fitzgerald & Co, but I am very bummed by the whole of it. I can understand and agree with the rationale for Miller going to jail, in a vacumn, but it sets the mental prep (if not legal prep) for the upcoming espionage suits that seem to be the threatened retribution against reporters now.
Ditto on Fitzgerald getting access to reporters notes in his money laundering/charity funding extremists case. Opens a door for other kinds of reporters notes. Ditto on his Salah case and getting in the torture testimony based on the ”no blood, no foul” concept (that got a thumbs up in Afghanistan) with some nice objective testimony from someone like Miller to scrub it up. It sure seems like he’s the rabbit for setting precedent that’s going to be used in some very different contexts and prosecutions. The same thing is happening with Rosen/Weissman AIPAC case.
Ah, Teh Beard=Blitzer, okay. I don’t have to worry about the Buchanan showing up uninvited then. (Though, being the polite liberal that I am, I would offer her coffee, but not the good stuff.)
And, why oh why are they focusing so much air time on CNN to this airplane in Boston, it’s already been explained that the woman was in distress of some sort. It’s just an emergency landing, and not terrorism.
Okay, Ms. Rayne, here’s my letter to Dr. Dean:
Thanks Christy, I needed that hit.
My concern is whether Wilson’s suit will ever see the light of day. Doesn’t it depend on
who the presiding judge will be. Based on what I’ve seen (no energy disclosure/Cheney case),
the fucking Republicans somehow will kill
the suit through legal manuevering… aren’t they deft in twisting the truth.
Sorry to sound negative but I’ve been waiting
for five years. Thank God for the 22nd Amendment to our Constitution..
Jack
dannyboy @ 62
Me, too. I had sparrows sitting on my windowsill at work yesterday. Mirrored windows, so I could look at them up close and they couldn’t see me. Not quite as spectacular as the building I was in a few years ago, where we could do the same thing with vultures, but it still makes me happy.
OT – related to Brown though. Eric Massa got the AFL-CIO endorsement.
Yeah.
Off to do other stuff so that I can hopefully hit the session with Brown later today
twolf1
Not so long ago the 2 channels focused most of an afternoon on storms, tornados & hurricanes, when there was no weather activity going on. I don’t remember if they used the “breaking news” banners that day…ha! I doubt you could find one day in the last 6 years that there were not things happening that americans should be informed on but that would require some responsible journalism. If I had a dollar for every time I heard or saw “breaking news”, I could donate a nice chunk to a worthy candidate.
lotus, thanks for routing us back to the prostratedragon post. Powerful.
we’re entering a dangerous period in that our client in the middle east has shown itself to be a failed state — even before it attacked lebanon, a fledgling democracy, europeans were starting to talk in public about our client’s apartheid soul — that’s why van creveld threatened europe’s capitals with nuclear attack
our client would never be able to survive without having a bully’s sponsorship — right now america’s the bully but if our client doesn’t get all that it wants out of america, it will find another bully to keep the illusion of success going — that’s what scares the trousers & pants off our politicians & is why they’re handling joepardy with kid gloves
GOOD stuff, TSF!
lotus @ 31
Yeah, why not? Seems like they would have gotten Abramoff to mention that Ralston was present so they called her in for corroboration.
Is this the way prosecutors might to it, Christy?
In answer to the questions about Rove getting hold of the galley:
I don’t know the specifics of this case but I worked as a buyer at an independent bookstore for years & galleys (aka Advanced Reader Copies or ARCs) are handed out pretty regularly to many different people. The reasons (greatly simplified) for ARCs are two-fold – one is to get the word out among buyers or other employees at bookstores, especially ones that do a lot of “hand-selling”eg actually talk to customers & recommend books. The other is to send to reviewers to generate reviews that come out just before, or right on, the publication date. ARCs exist to create interest in a book & to generate sales (& they usually do their work beautifully).
Now, different publishers treat ARCs differently, & not all books become ARCs. I’m guessing Random House wanted pretty wide-spread word-of-mouth & reviews of the new book & so may have made ARCs fairly available. If so, absolutely anyone with any reasonable reason for needing a copy could have asked his or her sales rep for one or contacted the sales department for a copy.
Again, I don’t know what happened in this case, but sending out ARCs, often widely, is a common occurence in the book industry.
quote from MSNBC – “it’s vaseline, you can’t set it on fire, it’s inflammable”
Particularly inelegant, and phrased very badly: Joe Lieberman won 48 percent of the Democrats in the primary. Now he has to maintain that and build on it. Can he? Sure he can. It’s way too soon to call this race, because it’s going to be a dogfight to the finish.”
First of all, Donna needs to focus on her real job, voter enfranchisement, and stop giving quotes to the NYT that damage the Lamont victory. Second, the consistent message needs to be: Joe Must Get Out of The Race. Never should anyone ever use the phrase: “Joe Lieberman won….” HE LOST. Keep saying so, and tell Donna Brazile to get back to her job, or else fire her from it.
Well Said. Howard Dean needs to call her, ASAP. Lieberman is not a democrat anymore (IMHO,he never was a democrat). Therefore he is not Ms. Brazile’s concern. Mr. Dean needs to put a stop to this crap, pronto. (Did you fax your letter, Teddy?)
Todd @ 72
Glenn Beck (wash hands) is talking about the Boston airport thing and saying the woman was going to use her baby, vaseline,& an unnamed liquid, to make her baby into a bomb. His response to his own outrage is to baptise the baby!!!!!!
I listen so you don’t have to……..
and I forgot about the screwdriver….
Did anyone catch the beginning of tony snow speaking now. I thought I heard him say that Bush pardoned some people? I may be completely wrong. anyone?
Eric Massa got the AFL-CIO endorsement.
Yeah.
Second that. I got a really nice hand-signed thank-you note for a piddly little contribution to Eric yesterday. He sure didn’t have to do that, and I really wish he’d aim ALL his resources at his opponent — but what class, eh?
Apologies to TeddySanFran for my poor editing in post 132. The first two paragraphs were his – excerpted from his post at 120.
lotus @ 136
I got the hand signed note too. Was a nice gesture but postage costs money.
I haven’t read the Lamont WSJ op-ed yet (clicking their links is against my religion — maybe a Ned Lamont special dispensation can be invoked) but it sounds fantastic.
But this also suggests a small searchlight project. Yesterday, one or more stories appeared that said Lamont was shaking up his staff, and moving towards the center. The implication of those stories is bunk — Ned Lamont is expanding and rounding out his political character, not abandoning his progressive cred.
A short note to the journos in question might plumb them up — smearing our guy under any pretense is not acceptable, thank you very much. Right Wing smears will not be tolerated, in any way shape or form. The job at risk may be your own, beltway journalists.
(waving up the street to hackworth)
-ck-, if you REALLY can’t stand going to WSJ, email me at lotuslander AT cfl DOT rr DOT com, and I’ll send you a copy by return toooob.
I too got an apparently handwritten note from Massa too (it could have been done by a good computer whiz). I too had sent a pittance but fundraisers know to cultivate folk that have made just one donation — it’s a foot in the door for further contributions — still it cost his campaign about $0.50 to send that thankyou note …
lotus @
136
I got a similar note from Rick Penberthy (FL-05). These are the good guys fighting the good fight.
Thanks, Old Sow! Cannot, cannot, cannot listen to the Glenn Becks and Faux Newsers at all. I like my cowboys real, not Faux.
cbl–love that the 4Hers will help out! Especially since the Boy Sprouts have been overrun by rightwing fundie types intent on
brainwashingpushing their agenda.And Brazile is a BFF of Karl Rove. She was co-opted long ago. CNN’s answer to Alan Coombs. Weak, ineffectual blathering to give the Republican’t an easy punching bag.
Ooooh, ooooh, oooooh, terra, terra, terra….on the cable steno shows right now.
What a breath of fresh air is Ned.
orangejumpsuit @ 117
Did you read this article yesterday, from a veteran Baghdad reporter, that begins:
He agrees with you. (Emphasis mine.)
Christy, thanks for the Fitz fix. I was just wondering this morning where did all the scandals go?
Well, I feel like Dorothy in Oz, they were here all along.
*ilson46201 @ 111
Sorry. I shouldn’t have let it get to me.
Donna Brazile cannot possibly be on the up-and-up. These quotes from her in the Times are not the consequence of mere stupidity.
I suspect that someone on the Republican side has paid for these quotes and for Brazile’s cooperation generally.
Brazile has long seemed to be a mole of some sort.
These quotes from her in the Times further confirm my suspicion.
I happened to see Fitzgerald in O’Hare International Airport a week ago Sunday hurriedly stuffing a ham-n-cheese sandwich in his mouth.
I predict their lawsuit will come to a screeching halt or be dismissed (a la Siebel Edmonds) after the Defendants file a state secrets motion.
Please, someone, tell me why I’m wrong.
BTW, the state secrets “privilege” really pisses me off since it was created in a case where, as usual, the government lied about how “secret” the material was and, in reality, was trying to shield embarrassing info about how bad a particular air force plane was. Sound familiar?
Re Massa’s manners –
What a contrast to nearly-worthless Beel Nelson’s and 100%-worthless Mel Martinez’ “responsiveness” — and they’ve even got franking privileges.
Been waiting for a Plamegate update. Luskin’s, uh… “press release” about Rove back in June or whatever REALLY worked, it got the story out of the election cycle. That was the goal and it worked perfectly.
My 2 cents say this story is a long way from being done. I hope Jane and Christy can get back to covering it soon. So hard keeping track of this crime syndicate! Rove has his greasy digits in everything! Lieberman, Abermoff, Plamegate…. Jesus.
Fitzgerald makes this story so hard to cover b/c he does not leak. That is frustrating but good.
I was going to say something very deep and thoughtful here, but, like Libby, I forgot what it was. Hehehe.
a little good news for the doggies -
Group Says Iran Is ‘Not a Crisis’
Former generals and officials seek to prevent an attack on suspected nuclear sites and to overhaul policies toward Tehran and Baghdad.
http://www.latimes.com/news/na…..nes-nation
the usual apologies if previously posted
speed here is unbearable lately
I don’t know if it’s an attack or a bandwidth problem
either way, I hope it gets addressed soon
Hayduke @ 152.
Some days I wish Fitzy would leak.
In any case, he should write a book about
his tenure….
A title: “They kicked sand in my face”
Jack
Blogger Virginia Centrist summarizes the “defense” of George Allen. A few tidbits (but read the whole thing):
“Is he French or is he stupid?” Definitely the question of the hour. *g*
Please read the Ned piece. It’s incredibly intelligent and well reasoned and brilliant. This guy should go all the way to the top.
Holden Caulfield @ 149
Oh!
lotus –
Thanks for the offer — the ‘not clicking the linky’ thing is more of a habit than anything else — I try to avoid the MSM and all of their crappy code pop up window websites. In this case, clicking through is probably a good thing — in that it rewards the WSJ for giving Ned Lamont an opportunity to defend himself.
Choosing the WSJ for this op-ed was a brilliant move by Ned Lamont — it has a meta narrative secondary purpose, of reassuring the big money donors that Ned is a businessman, and not a wild eyed hippie radical from the Greenwich Commune. If the business community is comfortable with Ned Lamont, HoJo might find that his donors won’t return his calls, and he’ll be stuck with Bush Cheney Rove as his fundraisers. Awww, poor Joe — he’s ugly and stupid and nobody likes him. Heh.
me to me @ 155
It’s been fine for me. It may be that the tubez out your way are clogged, rather than FDL itself.
Actually there are people who speak French and are stupid, and even racist. Jean-Marie Le Pen comes to mind.
Sorry for the OT, but Lieberman’s leadership days may be numbered:
http://www.thehill.com/thehill…..news1.html
“A group of Senate Democrats is growing increasingly angry about Sen. Joe Lieberman’s (D-Conn.) campaign tactics since he lost the Democratic primary last week.
If he continues to alienate his colleagues, Lieberman could be stripped of his seniority within the Democratic caucus should he defeat Democrat Ned Lamont in the general election this November, according to some senior Democratic aides.”
Remember Brazile’s outspoken support of The Chimp right after Katrina? I thought I was going to explode.
Tom Chitown,
It is interesting that Darth Cheney has hired one of Clinton’s former attys, Elmer Fludd. Hardly would seem necessary to hire a real atty with a funny name (vs one of their own inside g-men types) if he could call “state secrests” and “game over”.
Hi lotus. Bill Nelson is a triangulating DINO of the highest order. Mel Martinez is a mean and nasty R. Mel has skyrocketed to R stardom in short order (he was an Orlando city commissioner about eight years ago).
It could have been worse. As a prosecutor, he could have gotten a Grand Jury to indict it.
Sorry for the OT
As of 8:30 p.m. local(central) time last night, the U.S. has been in Iraq longer than it was in World War II.
http://www.ironingtheflag.com/worldwar2.html
How many odious plots, crimes and stories of hijinx involving the Bush/Coulter Republican Party are the national press sitting on in the run-up to this election?
-GSD
Oh, Mel Gibson, eat your heart out. Comedy relief via Youtube and 2 Boston homies.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..liars.com/
Ned Lamont will be a great Senator for Connecticut but would also be a great U.S. President. He’s someone who has thrived in what America used to stand for–hard work, honesty, integrity, leadership, respect for others, a community spirit, common sense, the common touch, goodwill, and so much more. Sad that there is such a man in our midst who will not have the chance to prove his worth in the White House beginning after the 2008 election. I don’t know what the forces are that will prevent this but I suspect they’re too powerful to overcome. Being superbly qualified is just not enough.
Hugh @ 165
Brilliant! Simply brilliant!
punaise @ 143
There’ve been objections here about the thank-you notes we get diverting resources from the real fight. I like the thank-you notes, and I figure it’s good constituent-relationship training for these guys/gals when they get to Capitol Hill! I don’t expect a special relationship with the BlueAmerica folks I support — I’m just an open-source Roots Project lobbyist — but I love the correspondence via snail mail. Considering the garbage that comes over the transom at my house nowadays, from CreditCoUSAEtc, the best stuff anyday seems to be generated one way or another by Howie Klein’s Saturdays. And that’s fine with me.
punaise@143 – I think ALL of Howie’s picks have done excellent follow up, but Penberthy’s camp has been outstanding, even in a top flight group. The follow up picture here, several follow up posts, some really A list follow up.
Lieberman should be stripped of his seniority NOW. No committees or any caucus this or that or briefings blah blah. He has betrayed democracy. What are they waiting for?
meta @ 158
ix-nay on the ed-Nay to the op-tay! (But I agree 100%!)
In re: French or stupid?
The French love Jerry Lewis and his movies.
IMO, this is an intersection.
mc,
If Lieberman should defeat Lamont in the general election, I doubt Democrats will punish him for fear of driving him to declare overtly that he is a Republican. More likely, the DINO dynamic will kick in and he will be welcomed back into the fold.
Oh, geez.
NBC now reporting they don’t think the woman had a note.
AP now reporting that she may or may not have had Vaseline, screwdriver or matches. (Coming from Heathrow, how could she?)
Seems she was claustrophobic.
Hugh @ 162
Pierre Laval was an eloquent French orator…
Just in from Norah O’Donnell:
I can only imagine what the other passengers must have felt.
Don’t strain yourself, Sweetie.
Update–Glenn Beck–wrt the “snakes” on the plane grounded in Boston……it’s all confirmed that it’s all denied…………she was just claustrophobic…(washes hands again) so we can all relax across the country and go back to mouthing platitudes but with the image of fighter planes escorting and dogs sniffing luggage and our daily dose of terror administered……..WTF
Mary #12:
The Matalin tagline was a classic.
I managed to save my monitor and keyboard, but I 707ed so badly that I had to pull myself into my chair hand-over-hand.
“Slowly, inch by inch…”
Learning and learning and learning,
y’all — as ever, many huge thankees!
“And I bid you goodnight (clap clap) …”
Eureka Springs, AR @
167
Wow, thanks for that link. Forwarding that to all my comrades-in-age whose Greatest Generation parents are still alive. No more of their “longest war” whining.
Rayne @ 174
There is no rational explanation for this. It is a generational thing, however, so it should fade away with time.
Stragegerie (124), ditto. Smart people who have business dealings with secretaries treat the latter the way your husband does.
I finally was able to read the entirety of the Wilsons’ initial complaint, and as has been noted, there’s not a lot of new factual claims in there. But I did notice one, on p. 15, it says (transcribing):
According to a filing by Special Counsel Fitzgerald in United States v. Libby, “There is evidence that multiple officials in the White House discussed [Valerie Wilson’s] employment with reporters prior to (and after) July 14.” Government’s Resp. to Def.’s Third Mot. to Compel Disc. at 30n.10 (Apr. 5, 2006). On information and belief, the multiple officials include Defendants Cheney, Rove, Libby, and John Does No. 1-10.
There is no publicly available information that Cheney spoke with reporters either before or after July 14 about Plame’s employment. So I wonder what, if anything, is the basis for this belief on the Wilsons’ part. It’s possible they just think it’s possible or likely Cheney talked with reporters, and they have reason to include him in order to keep him relevantly in the mix in their complaint. But I wonder whether they have a stronger basis for that claim. One possibility is that Cheney talked to Andrea Mitchell some time after Novak’s column was published, perhaps at the event honoring Ford the guest list for which was subpoenaed by Fitzgerald. But it would be so much more rewarding if it turned out the Wilsons’ know or have good reason to believe that Cheney was a source on Plame for one of the reporters pre-July 14. It seems very unlikely on its face, but it would be so juicy if Cheney were the source for, say, Pincus on July 12.
Fresh thread, gang. Mmm-mmm, tasty; Christy serves up yet more evidence that Bush has jumped the shark.
new thread
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..-collapse/
More on Terra! alert:
Woman was 60 years old and had a panic attack.
Christ on a crutch.
Also, officials telling NBC that there is no terrorism connection.
One more tidbit from the Rove book. Read the amazon.com review. His stepfather is gay.
meta @ 158
Yes, it’s wonderful. Bringing business experience to government is a good thing, but notice how he doesn’t say he’s going to “run government like a business?” Interesting how the only people who say that are ones who have failed at business.
And since the piece is so inspirational, I almost hate to point out a bit that’s just tactically brilliant, but it’s important. Notice how, now that Mehlman has signaled they’re going to try to get away from “stay the course,” Ned hangs it around their necks. Too often our people let them change the terms (with the help of the media) and start fighting the new term. Sticking them with their own terms worked great for Social Security, and it’ll work great for “stay the course.”
TeddySanFran @
174
Wha? Did I bad???
Perhpas the question is not whether or not Allen is stupid, but whether he is a bigot.
Entry from EB: Barbary macaque (Macaca sylvana).
http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9013293
The following entry from wikipedia.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Felix_Allen
Having a mother who endured hatred and bigotry apparently did not do much to help Allen to develop a more tolerant and inclusive view, so in the end one is perhaps justified in concluding that Allen is both bigoted and stupid.
cbl- thanks for the link, I hadn’t seen it. Makes you feel less alone, doesn’t it?
Redshift@157 – ROFL. I needed that, thanks.
Lessee, he speaks French – so which is it, French or Stupid? wipingatear Are you sure Colbert’s writing staff isn’t just floating material?
Hugh @ 162
The piece is satirical, which may not have been obvious from my excerpts. And it was probably even less obvious, but my slogan quote from it was intended to be humorous, not serious.
Just read the op-Ned piece and it is terrific! Also sent the link to friends. Spread the Ned.
Ned has the makings of the new FDR.
As for J-Lie, as Chris Matthews put it, dead man walking. And step-by-step he’s gonna slow down until he’s politically face down. As he deserves.
. . . and your little dog, too @ 179
OMFG, that is the funniest line I’ve heard in a good long time!
Snark indeed requires the correct chromosomes, eh?
Aready EPU’d but it’s futon-time here, so…
-ck- 159 —
Perzackly! (Sorry I didn’t get back to you sooner — incoming phone call intruded.)
Intriquing stuff to take in with my coffee this morning Christy, as usual, and not just the following Gonzo-Fitz issue.
I had already run across this Alberto “Torture is Cool” Gonzalez comment somewhere
then you added:
As a Canadian I am maybe more aware than the average American of the great work Fitz is doing in Chicago, especially in proscecuting the Cross Lord of Black Lake (intentional word re-ordering) Conrad Black who among other things used to produce toilet paper in Canada (National
Post brand, still made under new management). One of the Post’s recent embarrassing coups was the Iranian “badge” fairy tale. In a more perfect world with more than very Few Good Men, Fitz’s work in Chicago would be enough for anyone.
I worry that Gonzo could leave him in place in Chicago, but somehow call him off the Plame case, if indeed the whole Plame investigation isn’t just a time consuming but ultimately neutered show to give Libby, Rove, Cheney cover, while appearing to actually do something. The quote above seems to only address his position as US Attorney for Northern Illinois. We all know these guys (except the Chimporer) take parsing words to a level Clinton never reached.
Couldn’t he be left in place in Chi-town but replaced in his role vis-a-vis Plame? I’d like to hear what you (Christy) or some of the other legal minds that contribute here might have to say regarding this.
All you pups deserve a round of thanks for your assistance in getting Ned nominated and JoMenTum forced to show his true colors as a pompous, self important, arrogant and selfish renegade.
lotus –
s’okay — glad you liked it!!! channelling my inner Atrios at the end there. heh.
ojs at 193– I find it exceedingly odd that the only reference I can find so far about Allen’s mother being a prisoner in a concentration camp is attributed to George himself. It is strange that she would have been incarcerated if she was living in Tunisia. Something seems off here. My gut keeps nagging me…
hope I am wrong.
dru @ 201
geez, that was me– angie not dru whose computer I am borrowing.
close??
Christy at 43,
Thanks for the reminder. I completely forgot today was Sherrod Brown day here.
I really like him.
http://sherrod.house.gov/bio.htm
Any chance that we might find a prosecutor willing to bring the hammer down on Rove?
*sigh*
And I thought that Fitz had such promise, too…
Thanks, Christy, I really, really needed that!
angie, 202: You are right to have doubts if he is the only source you know of for this story. However, according to wikipedia (always reader beware), there were indeed concentration camps in Tunisia.
However, if Allen made this up, then he is even more shameless than we thought. I for one would withhold judgment on this, since the facts seem to align. If she was in a camp, she would had to have been a child then.
ojs, 207: Forgot to provide a link.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J…..occupation
ojs– see this bit:
http://race42008.com/george-allen/
This seems superfluous considering that BUSH will simply PARDON the entire lot of FOOLS.
He cannot pardon them from the personal suit, right?
oh and thank you, ojs, for your 207!
Remember, please, that they lie. It is part and parcel of the revision of the past and inability to acknowledge mistakes. What did you expect? That, just because Lamont won, the Republicans would roll over and let it stand as a signal that people are getting sick of their “spin” that everything’s OK in Iraq or that the economy is fine or that national debt is a healthy thing? Come on, get over it. The Republicans, and many converted conservatives, have a real need to protect the power base they’ve built, at any cost. Rove is their mentor in this. They will fight, spin, lie, swiftboat and smear anyone who stands in their way … because it’s the only way they can stay in power. So get over being surprised. In fact, stop acting so shocked and disappointed that they will use these slimy tactics to convince people that only George Bush and Dick Cheney and Rumsford care about America and are only about protecting us. If only the Democrats would stop being so afraid of their shadows and come out and say what everybody knows to be true, anticipating that the Republicans will attack them and attack hard to keep their power base, then and only then will the Democrats make any gains. Playing it safe and pretending to be nice and being objective and well-balanced just doesn’t cut it in the face of a swiftboating. Look at what happened to McCain, one of their own. In fact, if Democrats would understand that the Republicans have mastered one technique and use it very well: It is called “first strike.” They frame the argument and then the Democrats have to respond to it. If only some smart Democrat had come forward, immediately, and said, “Expect this to happen, expect this type of campaign from the Republicans,” they might have taken the “first strike” capability away from the Republicans. And, by doing this, they might have begun to show how the Republicans are bending events to remain in power. By the way, neither the fundamentalist Christians nor the people who voted for George Bush were ever “main stream”; they represented, in the first place, only a fraction of the voters, and, in the second place, slightly less than half the voters. So it is a lie to say that Bush’s position is “main stream.”
Libby is going to walk.
If Abu Gonzalaz is talking that way, they’ve already neutralized Fitz. Depressing.
Cynic @ 213
Completely disagree. Consider: as a matter of sheer fact (though not of law), Fitzgerald has it entirely within his power to either 1)release really damaging information about Bush, Cheney, Rove et al; or 2)indict Cheney, to say nothing of a host of lesser administration lights. That fact, plus the fact that Fitzgerald has in fact, and rightly so, been leak-proof for several years, including the entirety of pre-election 2004, explains why Bush and Gonzales talk nice about Fitzgerald.
That’s not to say LIbby isn’t going to walk; I have no idea. But it won’t be because Fitzgerald is neutralized.
I agree on #213 – Fitz is as far from winning back my respect as JoeLieb.
And didn’t his real father abandon the family when Karl was very young…maybe before he was born??? And Karl never knew this! Not until his mother died….and then the truth came out! Karl was in his thirties, at the time, I believe.
Yep….Rove and Gannon….k i s s i n g
A little something to rebut ‘cynic’ and ‘depressed’ for everyone who stops by late; here’s some detail of interest regarding today’s scheduled (as of 6/12 anyway) CIPA hearing in the Libby case that was highlighted by Christy above:
1. PDB summaries turned over to Libby to-date:
On 5/17/06 about 55 pages covering 6/7/03-6/14/03 were produced by the government; On June 2nd Libby wrote a letter asking the government for more detailed information about those summaries.
On June 12th, at the status conference before Walton, Libby asserted the need to file a follow-up motion to obtain the further details he requested in his June 2nd letter, and possibly other details following the next batch of PDBs due to be produced the next day. All parties agreed to a June 30 date for the submission of this proposed motion.
On 6/13/06 the second batch of PDB summaries for 10/03-3/04 dates ordered by Walton were produced to Libby by the government; On June 23rd Libby again wrote a letter to Fitzgerald asking for further details about these items.
2. June 28, 2006: Judge Walton grants Libby attorney Cline’s 6/27 unopposed motion for an extension of time to file the new Libby motion to compel discovery of more PDB detail than had been turned over as of June 27th. [Cline still expected to need to file the motion, but had reached agreement with Fitzgerald apparently on at least some of the further detail, and had a vacation upcoming so asked for the extension of time to finish sorting things out.] Walton grants Cline an extension until July 11th to file his next Motion to Compel with regard to the PDB documents.
BUT: NO motion is ever filed by July 11….? That day comes and goes with apparently no new filing. Meaning: apparently Fitzgerald and Cline were able to work out their differences, and Cline was satisfied with whatever arrangement was made to provide further PDB detail from the CIA.
Thus, no scheduled government response by July 31st was necessary, nor any defense reply by August 9th. Instead, on Monday or Tuesday of last week the CIA & Fitzgerald produced a third and final batch of PDB material to Libby, as reported in a court filing last Wednesday 8/9 (not yet online apparently, but reported by the AP). Furthermore, on July 24th, Fitzgerald filed a status report concerning unclassified documents with the court (which has been made available online by DU’s ’stop the bleeding’). That report summarized the agreement about all such documents that he had reached with Libby, apparently resolving the matter to the satisfaction of both sides and the White House.
Therefore the scheduled CIPA hearing before Judge Walton today, 8/16, to resolve classified disputes, may have become unnecessary since the day it was scheduled on June 12. [Except that from the AP’s reporting about the 6/12 status conference it is a little hard to tell the proposed purpose of the 8/16 hearing - whether strictly to deal with the proposed 6/30 (7/11) motion to compel further PDB production and/or to deal with something related specifically to permissible evidence at trial, isn’t crystal clear.]
In short: A successful wrap-up to a masterful job by the Special Counsel of removing the last of the graymail threat surrounding the PDB document discovery and potential claims of executive privilege, in preparation for the trial of one Irving L. “Scooter” Libby??
P.S. A reminder for everyone of the “mini-bombshell” (as Dan Froomkin put it well 4/27) in the very last sentence of a major front page story (which has since had a couple of corrections appended, but none concerning this sentence) in the New York Times on April 27, 2006 by Anne Kornblut: “Mr. Novak has testified to the grand jury since Mr. Rove’s last appearance in October 2005.”
P.P.S. & Off-Topic: I believe Donna Brazile is now identified as an “ABC News Consultant” or something to that effect when on television. Great job putting pressure on the DNC just in case, but hopefully she has been deep-sixed by them by now (though still an at-large member of the DNC somehow probably).
My problem with Fitz is this:
If you have serial killer, and you can arrest him, is it wiser to allow him to continue to kill and kill while you tighten up your indictment?
The crime here is that all of this was suppressed prior to the 2004 election (and now almost certainly the 2006 as well) and Rove and Cheney continue to rape the world unabated.
The people who are most responsible for allowing it to be suppressed were: various employees of Time, the NYT, the WaPo, NBC, and Fitz himself.
Whatever Fitz is working on or not working on is a wasting asset which will expire worthless in December 2008 when Bush pardons the whole mess of crooks just like his dad did.
Really pathetic. It makes me sick to think of all the “Fitz the Savior – Fitz the man with integrity” BS we were all spewing. I’m not saying Fitz allowed himself to be unethically manipulated, but I’m far from convinced that he didn’t. Not indicting Karl Rove on false statements and perjury before the 2004 election was inexcusable and not indicting him at all just makes me ill.
pow wow
There were a number of matters that were supposed to be covered at the hearing originally scheduled for today, and there’s evidently no hearing today, and nothing on Walton’s schedule for the next week as far as I can tell. I suspect, like you, that things have mostly been resolved. Also of note is that back at the 6-12 hearing, Libby’s defense suggested they might have some more, smaller scale discovery motions, which would be filed by the end of July. Nothing came.
Two other notes. Libby filed a CIPA section 5 thing yesterday. And second, I’ve not seen any response from Fitzgerald to Libby’s motion to use the memory expert. Not sure what the implications of either of those notes is.
For my part, I never bought into the Fitzgerald as savior thing, and I do believe that one of the reasons he was chosen was because it was clear that he would be leak-free and scrupulously thorough, which was helpful in 2004. But so it goes.
Finally, here’s a guess as to what happened with Rove, curious for your thoughts on its plausibility from a legal strategy angle: Fitzgerald was initially going to indict both Libby and Rove and do a little prisoners’ dilemma on them, getting one of them to turn on the other and their henchmen and/or bosses. But Luskin got any Rove indicted delayed at the last moment. So Fitzgerald’s fallback strategy was to call Rove official A in the indictment, thereby signaling to Libby who he wanted Libby to turn on in any plea bargaining (which, it’s worth noting, Fitzgerald strongly invited at the press conference, it seems to me). The hope was to get Libby to turn on Rove, and then get Rove to turn on Cheney. One of the virtues of putting embarrasing details about not just Libby but also Cheney in his filings was to put pressure on Libby to end it by giving up Rove.
But it didn’t work: Libby held out (probably understanding what was going on); Armitage and Woodward sort of mucked things up by waiting so long to be honest; and the judge put pressure on Fitzgerald (both in what he said in court and in his opinion on the motions to compel discovery) to wrap up with Rove and give Libby discovery on Rove, which Fitzgerald was holding out on in the hopes of pressuring Libby; and Fitzgerald just didn’t feel, at the end of the day, that he had a strong enough case to definitely convict Rove, so he let him off the hook.
For now. Probably forever, but there is always the possibility that Libby, before, at or after trial, will reveal new information that damns Rove, and then Fitzgerald’s get out of jail free card for Rove is revoked. Not going to hold out hope, but I imagine these things sometimes happen.
That’s my story, for now, anyway.
All of this is meaningless bullshit unless something actually happens.
For all the energy and blog column inches that were expended over Fitzgerald, fitzmas and all that other happy horseshit, where are we?
Convict someone first. Then celebrate.
Let’s see the Wilson’s win their civil suit, then I’ll dance.
Jeff -
I think Fitzgerald ended up with Rove pretty much where Fitzgerald wanted him. And thus that Fitzgerald got what he was looking for from Rove, but perhaps via a different route than he was expecting (assuming your scenario would have been the expected route). I have a difficult time, though, with the sort of overall analysis emptywheel does so well (and which you’ve done here to some extent), because of the lack of known fact. Too many ifs, ands, or buts for my mind to be able to synthesize anything coherently that way, I guess.
I can sympathize with ‘depressed,’ but everyone needs to realize how much the “bad guys” are driving this whole process: there was no way for Fitzgerald to move in 2004 because he couldn’t get the critical testimony that he needed until finally the Supreme Court refused to act in 2005. That’s all because the media was covering up for Libby and Rove under the pretense of protecting (legitimate) confidential sources, which neither Libby nor Rove were acting as in this circumstance, as courts have now affirmed.
Remember how Rove said “It was Hell,” or something to that effect, after his three hours of testimony at his fifth grand jury appearance in April? Well, “Hell” for Karl Rove is telling the truth. I think that was the shakedown cruise for Rove’s attempt to escape indictment: Fitzgerald was finally in a position to really force the truth out of him beginning in April, and probably continuing in some manner until June 12th. This time not on Karl Rove’s schedule, but on Fitzgerald’s schedule. Thus, Fitzgerald finally got the upper hand on Rove. But we just don’t know where it goes from there. [And in the end, I think the timing worked out pretty well for Fitzgerald on the Rove discovery, although I could be wrong. It seemed to me that things were a bit touchy there for a while, but got resolved without Judge Walton having to put much if any pressure on.]
I do know I have HUGE questions about a certain Mr. Richard Armitage, and his motives, behavior, and “innocence” in this whole scenario, now. And as indicated above, I’m starting to buy that Kornblut scoop about Novak – as emptywheel has pointed out, that is a highly significant fact if true (which must be why no one allowed to interview Novak recently asked him to confirm that fact).
‘depressed’ should keep in mind too that the long battles in court against the media yielded fruit for future such scenarios, as well. The recent victory for Fitzgerald in his terrorist case in New York/Chicago against the NYTimes and Judy Miller regarding their sources was helped out by his victories in court in the Plame investigation, with regard to alleged privileges of the media when they get caught up in criminal wrongdoing by government officials. [A real lesson to the media, too, about having off-the-reservation pseudo-journalists like Miller harbored in their midst — think of the legal bills she has cost the New York Times, for nothing (well, except for one horrific and unnecessary war, anyway).]
Finally, here’s a little bit about CIPA Section 5:
The linchpin of CIPA is section 5(a), which requires a defendant who reasonably intends to disclose (or cause the disclosure of) classified information to provide timely pretrial written notice of his intention to the Court and the Government. Section 5(a) expressly requires that such notice “include a brief description of the classified information,” and the leading case under section 5(a) holds that such notice must be particularized, setting forth specifically the classified information which the defendant reasonably believes to be necessary to his defense.
So it sounds like Libby is moving off the discovery stage finally, and on to specifics of which classified documents he wants to present to the jury as evidence. That filing may have been related to today’s scheduled hearing, or may not be. [It’s possible today’s hearing was just left off the court’s online schedule because it is closed to the public anyway. Perhaps the AP will mention it somehow tonight, if it did in fact take place.]
I guess we all just need to wait and see, yet again.
pow wow
Thanks. Walton’s schedule looked too packed today to include anything re Libby. But it may not be included on the schedule for, say, some time in the next week, since it is off the public record.
The idea that Fitzgerald got what he wanted from Rove is, for me, too full of speculative ifs ands and buts for me to feel confident about, at all.
I agree on Armitage. As for Novak, I feel pretty confident that he did in fact testify after Rove did, but I am again not at all confident about what that means and whether it is really significant at this point. Maybe it had nothing to do with Rove at all, but rather had to do with Armitage, and Fitzgerald wanted to check the story from Novak in light of the new discovery that Armitage also blew Plame’s cover with Woodward. Or maybe Novak’s appearance had to do with Rove, but gained Fitzgerald no meaningful new information. Who knows. Certainly someone should have asked Novak about it when he did his brief and failed effort at vindicating his reputation. There’s a lot Novak should have been asked but wasn’t. That’s what happens on Fox News. We’ll probably have to settle for the lifelong humiliation of Robert Novak, who knows that the second line of his obituary will mention the fact that he helped blow the cover of a CIA officer.
Well, here’s an answer to one question. Walton just today issued an order that Fitzgerald has to respond to Libby’s motion to admit the expert memory witness by September 7, with the reply from Libby due September 15. And presumably a Daubert hearing or whatever sometime thereafter.
Whether that means there was a hearing today and this is registering something decided at it; or whether all of the issues that were to be addressed in a hearing today have been pushed back to September; or whether this is it for now, I have no idea.
Karma…Rove skewered…tremendously satisfying.
Karma…Rove skewered…ineffably satisfying.
Mea Culpa:
Reading between the lines of this new AP story 8/18, it appears I jumped the gun on part of the Libby case comment I made above [#2 in my #217 — I wonder what exactly that AP article on 8/9 was referring to, specifically - there’s really no way to tell from its lack of specifics]:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..cia_leak_1
I had not seen any sign of a Libby 7/11 Motion to Compel further PDB discovery filing on the internet, nor any sign of a government response by 7/31 or the 8/9 Libby reply. But it sounds like all that must have transpired after all, and today, Judge Walton denied Libby’s motion.
Today’s Order is also not on-line, so it’s possible it is in reference to a different, CIPA matter of some sort, but it doesn’t sound like it. And it comports with Libby’s m.o. that he pursued this to the bitter end this way without coming to agreement with Fitzgerald and the CIA as I’d (mistakenly it appears) assumed had happened.
This would be the tail-end of the graymail effort by Libby (in this round) which the Judge ruled on today, if I’m reading the short news article correctly. [The guessing game as to ongoing developments in this case is getting pretty hopeless, at this point, with the now almost complete lack of media coverage of case developments.]
The reason these three (discovery motion) filings may have flown under the radar is because they may all have been filed under seal, due to the sensitive discovery documents they were discussing. [Or else they are sitting right there on PACER, and no one has happened to mention them on-line that I’ve seen.] If they were filed, it would seem that there was indeed probably a closed CIPA hearing August 16th, as scheduled, concerning that motion [around the noon hour or in late afternoon, judging from Judge Walton’s schedule]. Not a peep from any media watchers or from cameras outside the courthouse though with regard to the participants.
There’s nothing on the Special Counsel’s website nor on the DC District’s opinion page for the period in question. But at least 8/18’s Order was made public on PACER presumably, per the AP story (as was something a week ago Monday (8/7) or so with regard to CIA discovery – no idea exactly what that was though either).