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		<title>By: jrcjr</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/08/16/iraq-and-the-republican-collapse/#comment-250005</link>
		<dc:creator>jrcjr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Aug 2006 16:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If Bush is an idiot, then so is every other conservative Republican in the country.  30% of the country still supports him.  Why?  Because they still believe in what he’s doing and the idiotic conservative theory he promotes.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He’s been immensely successful in pushing thru long-fought conservative policies.  Fortunately he wasn’t slick enough to dismantle social security yet, but just think how stupid that Republicans would loudly be calling him if he’d accomplished that unpopular move (while they quietly cheer him on).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He’s unpopular because he’s been successful:  it’s conservatism that’s being exposed as idiotic.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Bush is an idiot, then so is every other conservative Republican in the country.  30% of the country still supports him.  Why?  Because they still believe in what he’s doing and the idiotic conservative theory he promotes.</p>
<p>He’s been immensely successful in pushing thru long-fought conservative policies.  Fortunately he wasn’t slick enough to dismantle social security yet, but just think how stupid that Republicans would loudly be calling him if he’d accomplished that unpopular move (while they quietly cheer him on).</p>
<p>He’s unpopular because he’s been successful:  it’s conservatism that’s being exposed as idiotic.</p>
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		<title>By: michael72</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/08/16/iraq-and-the-republican-collapse/#comment-249556</link>
		<dc:creator>michael72</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Aug 2006 10:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;you are what you eat, and the nation gets what it votes for.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;why have the ameriKun people voted again and again for liars, losers, egotistical cowboys and thieves in congress and the presidency? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;it does make one wonder about the karma of the nation.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you are what you eat, and the nation gets what it votes for.</p>
<p>why have the ameriKun people voted again and again for liars, losers, egotistical cowboys and thieves in congress and the presidency? </p>
<p>it does make one wonder about the karma of the nation.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Lie</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/08/16/iraq-and-the-republican-collapse/#comment-249288</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Lie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Aug 2006 04:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The French get intellectual prime ministers.&lt;br /&gt;
We get presidents who don’t know how many beers are in a six pack.&lt;br /&gt;
IS THIS A COINCIDENCE?&lt;br /&gt;
no, we get the government we deserve.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The French get intellectual prime ministers.<br />
We get presidents who don’t know how many beers are in a six pack.<br />
IS THIS A COINCIDENCE?<br />
no, we get the government we deserve.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/08/16/iraq-and-the-republican-collapse/#comment-249253</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Aug 2006 04:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Democrats don’t stand a chance in ‘06. They’ve already f**ked up and eaten one of their own and that’ll cost them an unnecessary seat. Plus, the anti-war message is a loser. The anti-war party NEVER wins, ask Churchill.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Face it, Dems have been marginalized by the powers that be and will stay that way for a long time or drift out off into history.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Democrats don’t stand a chance in ‘06. They’ve already f**ked up and eaten one of their own and that’ll cost them an unnecessary seat. Plus, the anti-war message is a loser. The anti-war party NEVER wins, ask Churchill.</p>
<p>Face it, Dems have been marginalized by the powers that be and will stay that way for a long time or drift out off into history.</p>
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		<title>By: Full-Figured Body Politic &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Is Bush an Idiot?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Full-Figured Body Politic &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Is Bush an Idiot?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2006 23:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[…] Joe Scarborough’s question has reverberated in the last few days, as the news from Iraq becomes increasingly bleak. […]&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: FighttheFuture</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/08/16/iraq-and-the-republican-collapse/#comment-248296</link>
		<dc:creator>FighttheFuture</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2006 17:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Label Bush an “idiot” at your own peril…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That’s exactly what these criminal sociopaths &lt;b&gt;want people to think; that they are incompetent bunch of idiots.&lt;/b&gt;  You see, &lt;b&gt;incompetence can be forgiven,&lt;/b&gt; even as you throw them out of the office (as if that’ll happen with our current $election system).   However, &lt;b&gt;Criminal conspiracy to commit terror upon America is a treasonous act.&lt;/b&gt;  What can happen to those who commit treason?  One word: Rosenberg!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So, &lt;b&gt;the more they look like fools, ninnies, half-wits, bumblers, incompetent, idiots, etc., the better &lt;em&gt;they actually get away with&lt;/em&gt; what they have been doing to us all.&lt;/b&gt;  I understand with that criminal sociopathic puppet, Bush, as their “face” to the world it is easy to see an “idiot” and fall into that meme of “incompetence”.  However, I do not think Bush is an idiot, I think he really could not give two shits about anything outside of his own dysfunctional sociopathic personality.  After all, wasn’t it Barbara Bush who once said, (paraphrasing) “Yeah, George is dumb, dumb like a fox”.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The members of Bu$hitCo. and the Republicans and the Right Wing uber wealthy who back him behind the scenes (Scaife, Coors, Rev. Moon) along with the impersonal corporations, &lt;b&gt;count on people’s propensity to  psychological “projection”, &lt;/b&gt;i.e. “I can never imagine myself, or the possibility of my leaders doing such treasonous acts to their own country, so any thing suggesting that must be untrue.  They must simply be ‘idiots’, ‘incompetent’, etc.”  This very powerful projection offers much protection to their criminal acts.  Then there is the other fear that if treason is likely it could destabilize the whole country, and even much of the world.  The most we can probably expect is the label of “incompetent”, with its implied forgiveness, or whitewash commissions du jour.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Still, it could happen, so &lt;b&gt;what could they do to protect themselves from real justice?  &lt;/b&gt;What other plans could be afoot?  Well, &lt;b&gt;what might, or could, stop them &lt;/b&gt;and their fascist, medieval, Hobbesian agenda?  Oh, yeah, &lt;b&gt;an America reawakened to its ideas — the Age of Enlightenment LIBERAL ideas involving PEOPLE and some sense of fair-play,&lt;/b&gt; for what it’s worth (America is far from a saint, although its founding ideas are very powerful, and very good for people)!!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;To thwart justice upon them they must divide and hobble this country–&lt;/b&gt; ruin its reputation for generations to come, saddle it with horrid debt to hamstring its influence, stupefy and misinform it’s populace (thanks MSM and “No Child Left Behind”), restrict travel (terror, passports, planes, etc.) and exchange of ideas (“net neutrality”), destroy its middle class (the class that has potential time to question, and really care about, what is going on), and other things.   &lt;b&gt;Make the survival of everyday life, “”solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short”.&lt;/b&gt; With all this coming into  place I would say they have created the steps to insure their ill-gotten gain and future power of their medieval “lord of the lands” philosophy with no one, no civil society, strong enough to stop them.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Destroying this country and its ideas are&lt;/b&gt;, IMHO, &lt;b&gt;their top priority and long range goal&lt;/b&gt;.  They must be sneaky, of course, a populace bred on “democracy” would not tolerate a coup, but it will tolerate division and the methods of that–bigotry, class, religion, and irrational fear-mongering; they are magnifying the baser aspects of people and using it against them to divide and conquer.  &lt;b&gt;Ultimately we have only ourselves to blame if we do not stand against them by all means available.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Don’t be fooled.  These criminals are NOT idiots or incompetent, regardless of that puppet Bush they present to the world.  They are getting just about everything they wanted for the short and long term with most none the wiser. &lt;b&gt; That’s not incompetence, that’s brilliance, evil as it may be!!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Label Bush an “idiot” at your own peril…</p>
<p>That’s exactly what these criminal sociopaths <b>want people to think; that they are incompetent bunch of idiots.</b>  You see, <b>incompetence can be forgiven,</b> even as you throw them out of the office (as if that’ll happen with our current $election system).   However, <b>Criminal conspiracy to commit terror upon America is a treasonous act.</b>  What can happen to those who commit treason?  One word: Rosenberg!</p>
<p>So, <b>the more they look like fools, ninnies, half-wits, bumblers, incompetent, idiots, etc., the better <em>they actually get away with</em> what they have been doing to us all.</b>  I understand with that criminal sociopathic puppet, Bush, as their “face” to the world it is easy to see an “idiot” and fall into that meme of “incompetence”.  However, I do not think Bush is an idiot, I think he really could not give two shits about anything outside of his own dysfunctional sociopathic personality.  After all, wasn’t it Barbara Bush who once said, (paraphrasing) “Yeah, George is dumb, dumb like a fox”.</p>
<p>The members of Bu$hitCo. and the Republicans and the Right Wing uber wealthy who back him behind the scenes (Scaife, Coors, Rev. Moon) along with the impersonal corporations, <b>count on people’s propensity to  psychological “projection”, </b>i.e. “I can never imagine myself, or the possibility of my leaders doing such treasonous acts to their own country, so any thing suggesting that must be untrue.  They must simply be ‘idiots’, ‘incompetent’, etc.”  This very powerful projection offers much protection to their criminal acts.  Then there is the other fear that if treason is likely it could destabilize the whole country, and even much of the world.  The most we can probably expect is the label of “incompetent”, with its implied forgiveness, or whitewash commissions du jour.</p>
<p>Still, it could happen, so <b>what could they do to protect themselves from real justice?  </b>What other plans could be afoot?  Well, <b>what might, or could, stop them </b>and their fascist, medieval, Hobbesian agenda?  Oh, yeah, <b>an America reawakened to its ideas — the Age of Enlightenment LIBERAL ideas involving PEOPLE and some sense of fair-play,</b> for what it’s worth (America is far from a saint, although its founding ideas are very powerful, and very good for people)!!</p>
<p><b>To thwart justice upon them they must divide and hobble this country–</b> ruin its reputation for generations to come, saddle it with horrid debt to hamstring its influence, stupefy and misinform it’s populace (thanks MSM and “No Child Left Behind”), restrict travel (terror, passports, planes, etc.) and exchange of ideas (“net neutrality”), destroy its middle class (the class that has potential time to question, and really care about, what is going on), and other things.   <b>Make the survival of everyday life, “”solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short”.</b> With all this coming into  place I would say they have created the steps to insure their ill-gotten gain and future power of their medieval “lord of the lands” philosophy with no one, no civil society, strong enough to stop them.</p>
<p><b>Destroying this country and its ideas are</b>, IMHO, <b>their top priority and long range goal</b>.  They must be sneaky, of course, a populace bred on “democracy” would not tolerate a coup, but it will tolerate division and the methods of that–bigotry, class, religion, and irrational fear-mongering; they are magnifying the baser aspects of people and using it against them to divide and conquer.  <b>Ultimately we have only ourselves to blame if we do not stand against them by all means available.</b></p>
<p>Don’t be fooled.  These criminals are NOT idiots or incompetent, regardless of that puppet Bush they present to the world.  They are getting just about everything they wanted for the short and long term with most none the wiser. <b> That’s not incompetence, that’s brilliance, evil as it may be!!<br />
</b></p>
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		<title>By: bmc90</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/08/16/iraq-and-the-republican-collapse/#comment-248056</link>
		<dc:creator>bmc90</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2006 15:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;#197 - Been wondering about that myself.  We can only hope that AT LEAST it would get leaked in time for the Articles of Impeachement to get drafted at the same time Cheney is indicted and spirited off to Gitmo ‘by accident’ for the duration.  Would Bush do it without telling Russia so they would not mistakenly think we were launching at them?  I can’t imagine even Israel would be on board with this one - I mean they have to drink the water over there too.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#197 &#8211; Been wondering about that myself.  We can only hope that AT LEAST it would get leaked in time for the Articles of Impeachement to get drafted at the same time Cheney is indicted and spirited off to Gitmo ‘by accident’ for the duration.  Would Bush do it without telling Russia so they would not mistakenly think we were launching at them?  I can’t imagine even Israel would be on board with this one &#8211; I mean they have to drink the water over there too.</p>
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		<title>By: kitty</title>
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		<dc:creator>kitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 21:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;just read the manuscript.  Did Scarborough really ask if we actually need our president to be intelligent?  My first response was - is he kidding?  My second was, has he been napping last 5 years?  Hello?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I am suprised I still have the ability to be stunned by the stupidity of teevee hosts.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just read the manuscript.  Did Scarborough really ask if we actually need our president to be intelligent?  My first response was &#8211; is he kidding?  My second was, has he been napping last 5 years?  Hello?</p>
<p>I am suprised I still have the ability to be stunned by the stupidity of teevee hosts.</p>
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		<title>By: spaghetti happens</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/08/16/iraq-and-the-republican-collapse/#comment-246911</link>
		<dc:creator>spaghetti happens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 20:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“34% of Republican voters believe that Bush should probably or definitely be held accountable for the situation in Iraq. 19% of Republican voters believe that Bush should ‘definitely’ be held accountable, and 15% believe he should ‘probably’ be held accountable.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Like Ms. Marsh, I hesitate to analyze poll data, but you have to ask yourself:  Only a third of Republican voters think Bush should be held accountable for the war that he pushed for with all the political capital he and all his fellow warmongers could beg, borrow, and, of course, steal.  Not to mention that he is, as he is so fond of reminding us, both the commander in chief and The Decider–the man in charge of, well, everything.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Just whom do the other two thirds of Republican voters think should be saddled with the responsibility for the hell on earth that Bush &amp; Co. have unleashed in Iraq?  The Democrats?  Bill Clinton?  Tinky Fucking Winky?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“34% of Republican voters believe that Bush should probably or definitely be held accountable for the situation in Iraq. 19% of Republican voters believe that Bush should ‘definitely’ be held accountable, and 15% believe he should ‘probably’ be held accountable.”</p>
<p>Like Ms. Marsh, I hesitate to analyze poll data, but you have to ask yourself:  Only a third of Republican voters think Bush should be held accountable for the war that he pushed for with all the political capital he and all his fellow warmongers could beg, borrow, and, of course, steal.  Not to mention that he is, as he is so fond of reminding us, both the commander in chief and The Decider–the man in charge of, well, everything.</p>
<p>Just whom do the other two thirds of Republican voters think should be saddled with the responsibility for the hell on earth that Bush &amp; Co. have unleashed in Iraq?  The Democrats?  Bill Clinton?  Tinky Fucking Winky?</p>
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		<title>By: fahrender</title>
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		<dc:creator>fahrender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Aug 2006 20:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-246685&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;. . . and your little dog, too @&lt;br /&gt;
                196              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Scarecrow  @ 170&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I agree this would be time-consuming. On the other hand, I can’t think of any better signal to send to the rest of the world, or one that would disassociate America from the policies and actions that have become so hateful to many world wide, than to have the United States use its Constitution to remove Bush and his Administration from office. What else would do this?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;For one thing we could tell the world why we are censuring him while extending olive branches to world leaders.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I &lt;b&gt;love&lt;/b&gt; the idea of impeaching him.   I also don’t want to give them back the Congress and Presidency in 2008.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If you think the talk shows are bad now, I can already hear their blather about how all our promises to be different were false, and we’d rather hate Bush than legislate for the good of the country.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s not my view.  But knowing as many “Pete and Cyndi’s” as I do, I know damn well it’s Mr. and Mrs. America’s view.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We need their votes to save this country.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;yup. i agree 100%.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-246685"><em>. . . and your little dog, too @<br />
                196              </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Scarecrow  @ 170</p>
<blockquote><p>I agree this would be time-consuming. On the other hand, I can’t think of any better signal to send to the rest of the world, or one that would disassociate America from the policies and actions that have become so hateful to many world wide, than to have the United States use its Constitution to remove Bush and his Administration from office. What else would do this?</p>
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<p>For one thing we could tell the world why we are censuring him while extending olive branches to world leaders.</p>
<p>I <b>love</b> the idea of impeaching him.   I also don’t want to give them back the Congress and Presidency in 2008.</p>
<p>If you think the talk shows are bad now, I can already hear their blather about how all our promises to be different were false, and we’d rather hate Bush than legislate for the good of the country.</p>
<p>It’s not my view.  But knowing as many “Pete and Cyndi’s” as I do, I know damn well it’s Mr. and Mrs. America’s view.</p>
<p>We need their votes to save this country.</p>
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<p>yup. i agree 100%.</p>
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