We all assume that Hannity, O’Reilly Cavutto and others choose their guest selectively to faciliate the flow of wingnut welfare which keeps them afloat, but it’s rare that they announce it publicly. The Fairness Doctrine may be long gone, but most networks trouble themselves to at least give lip service to its underlying principles. Perhaps it surprised nobody else, but I have to say Don Imus’ announcement that he would have no Democrats on his show who did not support Republican Joe Lieberman gave me a bit of pause, as did his threat to Chris Dodd.
C&L has the video:
IMUS: …and so did Dodd. But what I-I had decided to do, I think, Charles, is to ban everybody…every Democrat, of which unfortunately too many of our guests are any way. To ban them…ahhh, from the program, for turning their back on Lieberman.
McCORD: Yeah, understood. It’s a shame.
IMUS: Uh, but now we…
BERNARD McGUIRK: We’ll have to start taking phone calls from listeners, if we ban Democratic politicians. [laughter]…
IMUS: Well….
McGUIRK: …that, that bailed on Lieberman. Like Harold Ford. Who hasn’t bailed on him is the question.
IMUS: Well, they ALL bailed on him. But what we’ll also…I mean, we have a lot of information about—uh, and maybe we can even dig up some old footage on Chris Dodd, who’s trying to run for President, and a bunch of other people and uh, you know, this could get ugly.
McCORD: Oh, absolutely.
IMUS: Couldn’t it?
McCORD: It could get brutal.
McGUIRK: Oh, Dodd’ll be back on board in no time flat.
IMUS: I mean, I think—trust me, I mean—you know, adhering to the will of the people…I mean, that STUPID August 8th primary in Connecticut in which a couple hundred thousand people voted…
McCORD: Yeah…
IMUS: …doesn’t…I mean, to just bail on Lieberman like that is …
McCORD: Based on that….
IMUS: ….you’d expect somebody like that Bill’s fat, evil wife, Satan…
McCORD: Mmm hmmm…
IMUS: …to bail or some of those other people. Um, I’d be very disappointed if Harold Ford, Jr. bailed on him.
McGUIRK: Dodd will make Christie Brinkley’s husband seem like an altar boy if we start…revealing all the stuff from his past.
IMUS: Uh, I mean the stuff we have on him…he’d better come to his senses quickly…
Is that bit threatening Dodd supposed to be funny? Why am I not laughing?
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fitz
AS I was saying, the intuition that gets me frequent zero posts also has me feeling great things are going to happen for fdl.
We live in exciting times.
Is there a law that prohibits making threats about Senators–and while we’re at it, Supreme Court justices?
i can’t understand what people see in imus. is he anything but a bitter and doddering coot who takes potshots at people all over the spectrum? i mean, it’s the latter that makes him seem kind of okay sometimes, but frankly i find the guy unlistenable most of the time and incoherent by and large.
Jane,
Check out this link.
Maybe we can get George Allen to appear on Imus for a reprieve of his racist attack on a 20 year old student.
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1751
-GSD
The wingnut army really *are* going full bore ATM, aren’t they? Attack attack, attack, it’s all they know how to do, even when it’s no longer working.
Imus’ years of substance abuse seem to have really taken their toll. Any person, talk show host or otherwise, who need to surrpund him/herself with butt-cheek spreading sycophants isn’t worth listening to.
Heck, even Rush does it alone, talent on loan from idiocy.
Radioguy: WE are so powerful. If we say somebody is going down, they are so going down.
Newly awakened American electorate: NOT
dang, I got moderated.
Imus’ threats are creepy! But what I don’t understand is how is a guy, who barely can pronounce a word, on the radio in the first place?
So, what’s up with the cowboy costume and set?
Why, oh why are all republicans phoney balonies.
Everything is a flippin’ “show” with them.
NED!
;-)
I don’t get it… I mean has Imus joined the dark side too, or has he always been a wingnut? Connecticut voters have a right to choose whatever Democrat they want to represent themselves. What, they’re gonna change their mind because Imus tells them to? Sigh, I guess there’s no reason to spend much time watching TV these days. *returns to surfing the web*
The list of Dems supporting Lamont is growing.
http://bobgeiger.blogspot.com/…..g-ned.html
-GSD
Imus is a corporate/establishment weather vane.
-GSD
IMUS: Uh, I mean the stuff we have on him…he’d better come to his senses quickly…
Actually, I’ve felt for a long time that the beltway insiders “have stuff” on each other. How else to explain the nearly criminal legislative paralysis? (Rhetorical question.)
EPU’d
TeddySanFran
West Nile Virus kills only a handful of people a year. We have much bigger fish to fry.
I speak as a public health professional who is deeply manic about preventable loss of life.
Break up or cover pools of standing water, and then rejoin the fight to save our nation.
Uh — so suppose I wanted to alert selected journalists and/or reporters/editors for certain networks about Imus’ threats and abuse of the public’s airwaves. Just who might those folks be, cause I have this neat new tool I’d like to try out and . . . ??
Suggestions?
The more I watch and listen to State News and Talk the more I ignore it. Which means I don’t take anything they say at face value.
I mean when they say things like ONLY 80% of Americans want out of Iraq you gotta realize they are not reporting any kind of news.
News has become propaganda and speculation.
Speaking of ugly, has Imus looked in a mirror lately?
Why is this guy on radio/TV? He cannot string a sentence together.
Sacramento’s two great gifts to the world: Don Imus and Rush Limbaugh. We wither in shame . . .
Oh please! Who the hell listens to this self absorbed, turkey necked jerk in a cowboy hat.
Dan abrams probably told him he better pick up his ratings or he’s gone~
OK I have to admit I’ve never seen/heard of him until last night. What demographic does this guy appeal to?
He seems a dry shell, a specter. As if there’s no life essence in there. I don’t watch horror flicks but he would get my vote to play a part in one.
Was the world always this weird or has it been turned up a large notch of late?
I want to fax a print copy of GE’s stock performance to Imus and ask him: Dude, how will your boycott of 50 % of the potential audience help this f’d up chart? And by the way, my household owns an unfortunate piece of your *ss — you better think about the answer before we make it a shareholder issue.
Somebody needs to give his meal ticket a little tug.
Who in the F even listens to this ancient freak? I don’t get it.
LindaR:
IMUS is from Sacramento? I have lived here for ages and I don’t remember him here! Are you sure? Yes, RUSH was here and that is bad enough …..
Mahaleela,
My college history teacher talked about how the art world went a little bonkers before the outset of WWII.
Perhaps, due to the lack of creativity in decadent America things like this are lagging indicators of just how screwed up the nation is right now.
-GSD
P.S. Fox News propagandists suggest it may be time for a “Muslims only” line at the airport. Perhaps they would recommend “Muslims only” boxcars on Amtrak too.
Yes, the nation is indeed whipping around a frenzy that many appear to be oblivious too.
Gotta go, American Idol is on.
Rayne @
24
I don’t know much about who this creep is. I never ever tune these people in. But please, I’m begging you, do it.
That Republican world is getting smaller and smaller. But why would any self-respecting Democrat appear with this numbskull anyway? I really don’t get it.
Rayne @
24
This is a delightfully good idea, and I approve wholefartedly!
Shell @ 26
Sure ‘nuf! He was a music deejay here when I was a girl. KXOA, I think.
If you don’t have any skeletons, then you have no worries.
By the way if you reveal the truth about Dodd, why is that threatening him?
Lessee, Lamont WON a primary — you know, actual voters went into the booth and more VOTERS (not interest groups, not furriners, actual citizens with voter registration cards) voted for Lamont than Lieberman and this is the way they want to win viewers?? I couldn’t watch Imus before, I certainly can’t now. What an idiot.
IMUS is actually on MSNBC — his show is broadcast live. I only know this because the channel was on because of Olbermann — and I fell asleep — I woke up, bleary-eyed, and saw THAT weirdo in his 4 sizes-too-big cowboy hat and thought I was having a nightmare.
OldCoastie @ 10
Simple. He started off saying dirty words and telling jokes. Now some people, evidently, think he actually knows something.
Meta —
You would be SHOCKED at how many pundits and politicians go on his show. BIDEN for one. Timmi Russert is a regular too. Everyone who wants to BE anyone in DC is there. SICK
I tried to listen to him once, but he is one of those people who make me ashamed of being a carbon-based life form.
Something is missing here: http://nedlamont.com/blog/1096/missing
oh, this is just great!
U.S. Bound Migrant Cubans Held at Guantanamo
I don’t think George wants to get himself in trouble with the Cuban community!
Imus is a pig. I just ran across this yesterday.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contessa_Brewer
Linda –
Oh! MUSIC? Hahahahahaha
Thanks!
don’t blame it on drugs — imus used to insult blacks who worked at nbc — he’s another frightened white man who’s ripping off the taxpayer by getting a free ride through fraudulent charity
Imus will not have Democrats who oppose the Iraq war on his show because he cannot stand the truth. He tries to defend the indefensible, an illegitimate war. He can’t stand it when he is reminded of being nothing but a shill for the neocons.
Shell @
35
Oh, vile repulsion freak-out. I had no idea this was going on. Total bottomfeeders. Must be a secret handshake good ol’ boy fraternity thing.
FYI to anyone who is interested, I attended my first meeting of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, central Ohio chapter, yesterday. The guest speaker was Romin Iqbal, a civil rights coordinator for the Council on American-Islamic Relations. He’s also an attorney practicing in Ohio, and works primarily in the area of religious discrimination in the workplace, and other issues which affect civil rights of Muslims and other minorities.
Click here for more.
Let’s see, a bitter old man that dresses up in a cowboy costume sits in his office and has trouble articulating thoughts. No not George W. Bush, Don Imus.
Imus and McGuirk are incredibly racist.
Imus is just pissed because he’s not a “kingmaker” anymore. He still lives for when he helped Clinton in the NY primary in 1992. And he did on fact help, or rather, Clinton’s appearance on his show helped him a lot.
But now he’s just an old coot, a negative, humorless crank.
Thanks GSD,
I hope they have lines labeled “Shell Shocked” when I want to purchase a ticket.
- holding head, groping and stumbling way towards quiet, fuzzy, warm place
LindaR @ 21
OMG. Limpbrain is from Sacramento? I feel sick.
scarecrow @
18
Someone mentioned above that Dan Abrams is the one to contact at MSNBC wrt Imus. Is this accurate and does anyone have an email for him?
Spotlight does not yet have any contacts for MSNBC, which is very understandable.
OT, props to to Mark for his timely and excellent answers, prior thread.
Progress not perfection.
I think the new meme for these jerks should be, “frightened little white men”…works particularly well for me when they go out of their way to act like they are tough guys…
Coming up after this break, Don Imus interviews a couple a’ good ol’ fashioned Democrats … the kind he remembers fondly from his youth
—————
Gawd, Linda, are you absolutely sure he was a dj here? [gag, gag, retch, ptuuiii, awwwgggg!]
OldCoastie @ 38
God only knows who all we’re holding at Gitmo. It’s scary. Has there ever been a complete accounting.
But if Floridians think it’s Cuban exiles, oops, there goes Florida!
Nefarious –
I live in Sacramento, and don’t like it that much but it isn’t bad enough to have spawned Limbaugh. He is from Missouri — his first jobs (and marriages) were from the midwest. But sigh — yes, he became famous in this town.
Shell @ 26
Shell, do you know that Sacto FDLers are hanging out at Drinking Liberally? Feel free to join us next month …
George Felix Allen is digging himself deeper.
Snip:
“I also made up a nickname for the cameraman, which was in no way intended to be racially derogatory. Any insinuations to the contrary are completely false.”
So now HE made-up the nickname and it just happened to be the French word for “monkey” or a commonly used racist phrase.
But I thought that his staffers called Sidarth “Mohawk” because of his haircut?
Allen is going to need the Shriner’s after this inferno flames out.
-GSD
GSD @ 4:12pm 14
That’s an interesting list. Many of the “finger in the wind” types like Obama, Clinton, Cantwell, and Biden are endorsing Lamont. Speaking of Cantwell, it’s interesting that she has made a committment and Sen. Patty Murray hasn’t. Usually, Murray’s the one doing the right thing.
when did the Cubans become terrorists?
oh, that’s right… I forgot… they are brown people! silly me! :-{
Thanks, Nef — I just might! The date?
Fern @ 36
Not to worry, Imus is a CARTOON-based life form…
Shell @ 58
First Thursday of every month, at the Streets of London Pub downtown.
John Casper — thanks, as always. checking for how to contract the guy.
I assume this test tool actually, works? Or were we just sending test messages into an EPU? Jane? Mark?
watch Nixon or JFK to learn about Cuban terrorists (or freedom-fighters, take your pick)
Oh yeah, Dan Abrams was named GM at MSNBC.
Looks like I should send my little graph of GE stock performance to him instead, and only CC: that dolt Imus.
Wish I could check for political donations by either of them, but OpenSecret’s database is down. Rats.
Actually, I’m pretty sure that Imus is (at least now) against the war.
And while he is quite often quite dreadful, he does some very good things with regard to raising money for very good causes.
Not a fan here, but fair is fair.
john in sacramento @ 51
Yeah, grotty. [/scouse]
John, did you make it to the training on Sunday? I tried to go, but the online directions did me in; I wandered up and down Auburn Blvd. to no avail and finally gave up and went back home. I’d left my cell phone at home so I couldn’t even call the campaign for directions.
can we please stop opening comments with fitz? it’s obvious he played us for fools. he doesn’t deserve any respect or facilitate hope.
Rayne @ 64
Try this one ; )
http://www.fundrace.org/neighbors.php
John Casper — what about reporters for Newsweek’s rivals?
EPU’d re font fun. Show some fdllove for your moderator today:
A suggestion for using bold, italics, underline, or blockquote–
Use it in the middle not the end, or at least have a few words after the highlighted part, and preview before posting. See this good example?
That is all.
————the Font Fairy aka egr
FITZ!!!!
egregious at 2 –
My intuition agrees with your intuition. If this were a dream, FDL would be the “Lad[ies] of the Lake” and the people rising from it, Excalibur. Dramatic license taken to be sure but what is life without a good dream?
bushbehindbars @ 66
BZZZTTT What if the investigation was much, much bigger than Plame? Think…about…it…
immanentize @ 70
You okay immanentize? You’re #70!
immanentize @ 70
q – Who’s your favorite violinist?
a – Jascha Hei-FITZ!!!
What imm said.
Fitz me!
GSD, did you catch another excuse of Allen he released that his statement about Welcome to America wasn’t for Sidarth, it was -ahem- TO the whole Webb campaign to welcome them to the northern part of the state?
Bwahahahaaa Suuuuuuuure… what a minuscule minded racist freak, he’s on the heavy duty extractor spin cycle.
mahaleela @ 23
Oh please dear lord no, anything but another Specter.
onmykneesinprayer
Oh but you can’t expect to wield supreme executive power just because some watery tart threw a sword at you!
Heh heh heh, It never fails.
if the shoe FITZ …
uniquely_tim @ 71
A good dream took me from my comfortable middle class life to a newborn operating room in the former Soviet Union.
I’m a very big believer in dreams.
What else: dreams can come true if you believe, and take one step at a time over a very long time–35 years for me to make your dream come true.
Somewhere over the rainbow, dreams come true.
I hear that at George Allen campaign events they only serve crackers.
-GSD
OT Your daily gas prices
Average price for regular gasoline 8/15/06 in 50 states and DC
$3.00 plus 26 states
$2.90 plus 15 states
$2.80 plus 10 state
Average national price: $2.997, down $.007
Highest recorded national average price: $3.057 9/5/2005
Highest average price: Hawaii $3.368
Lowest average price: South Carolina $2.822
Nymex Crude Future $72.85, down $.53
Dated Brent Spot $73.50, down $.78
WTI Cushing Spot $73.05, down $.48
Gasoline prices continue to decline. In fact, they just broke the $3 mark, if barely. I don’t know why. I just chronicle them. Gasoline is not like oil where speculation determines most of the price changes in it. If you keep up with current events, you can figure out where most of the speculative pressure is coming from in oil and even have an idea how big and how long an effect it will have. With gasoline, this usually isn’t the case. Sometimes there are seasonal changes in blend or crossovers to heating oil that cause problems with available stocks but this happens about as often as it doesn’t. And where you would expect these effects to be regional, they often can be national. Occasionally there is a specific incident like a Katrina or a big refinery fire that you can point to but gasoline prices other than being high and likely to remain so is something of a blackbox to me and I suspect most people.
Oil prices declined again. Lebanon, blah, blah, BP resuming Prudhoe Bay production, blah, blah. I can’t help thinking that the UK terrorist plot continues to weigh on the markets and has people not only looking at potential effects on the airline industry but revisiting projections for slower economic growth in general. Again that may be just me. To keep things in perspective, while oil has declined, it is still over $70.
Can someone point me to this SPOTLIGHT? I’m on firefox and I just don’t see it.
ReneND ,
At the very bottom of Janes post. Little dinky word.
they dont monkey around at Sen. Allen’s campaign events either !
okay i give up. what the heck is an EPU?
Imus is still on?
I guess MSNBC really needs some fluff time in the morning.
GSD @
55
Link por favor.
Cujo –
I saw on Bob’s site that Feinstein was a “not commented.” So — I called the number listed. They told me they could not discuss politics at this number (on a POLITICIAN’S number — interesting) and gave me a different numer. Odd. I had never heard that before. I called the new number and they needed my name, and said someone would call me back — so they needed my phone number. When they called back, they argued that Dianne HAD stated she was FOR Lamont. I just said that she had better say it again. He said, “You must have listened to BLOGS.” I said, “Good guess. Do I sound SMART? I NEVER watch teevee or read newspapers for news.” That sort of stopped him for a sec — but then he started again, arguing that the blogs are not reliable.
I finally said, “I don’t want to argue with you — but Feinstein should come out for Lamomnt again.”
the investigation has proceeded with FITZ! and starts
I think you are over reacting here. Imus is like a time capsule. It’s 1962. It’s towel snapping fun. Racist, you bet. No talent, maybe.
But for some of the power elite it is as close to combat as they’ll ever come. Hell, Kerry got his fourth purple heart there.
Brain dead? Maybe, but at least at Firedoglake that should not be a disqualification.
After listening to Imus for a month I kicked a long time Today Show habit, because he pointed out how phony all of them are.
So what you get from Imus is honestly brain dead comment from a by gone day, but I bet he did a little coke with a liberal or two in his day who now comments on FDL.
Imus’s ravings on Lieberman’s behalf are in no way helping Lieberman, and all this prissy hand wringing from a source, FDL, that can throw a pretty good punch is counter productive. Flick him some shit right back. Getting banned and ranted on by Imus may be the best thing to happen to some Democrats, and FDL, engage him with some spunk. He’s really just a teddy bear who love’s sick kids, and the millionaires who get massive tax deductions for his boutique charity. But don’t get too harsh or Bo will whack you, or Bernie will slime you.
Linky for George Felix Allen(R-Tunisia).
http://electioncentral.tpmcafe…..a_nickname
-GSD
EPU is short for Europäisches Patentübereinkommen
ReneND,
Under the post in the data field, last link, before the comments start:
randiego @ 88
EPU means Evil Parallel Universe, which is also the handle for one of FDL’s most well-known and terrific commenters, who once had the habit of posting at or near the end of a thread, when a new thread had already started.
To be “EPUed” means to post at the end, while everyone else has already left for the new thread, so almost no one sees your comment.
Your job is to explain this to the next person.
ckerst @ 45
Correction,both!
And do not trust anything that *ilson says when he’s not using English.
Shell @ 90
Gee, I wonder where he got that impression?
randiego @ 89
EPU= Evil Parallel Universe.
A long time commenter who has a habit of posting very late in a thread. About the time he posts, a new thread comes up and every one bails out and misses his post.
Shame on you *ilson. *g*
for some reason, I do recall DiFi saying she would support Lamont… it surprised me…
mahaleela @ 23
Such people *cough*AC were considered entertainment, the fool who amused the lord.
Now people are beginning to see them as a flimsy cover, a distraction from more egregious goings on, embezzlement, fearmongering, warmongering, corruption. Deaths of our young people–collateral damage.
Makes me nauseated to type that.
Y no confíe en cualquier cosa que *ilson dice cuándo él no está utilizando inglés.
Thanks Scarecrow and Bustednuckles… on to the next thread?
PS – Imus looks absolutely ridiculous in that hat.
For Imman & inspiration for his writing project.
Moore’s sequel to Bush’s Brain Is in the Works – Karl’s Not Happy
BTW – Anyone thought of Ralston lately? This made me think:
Just as he did with “Bush’s Brain,” Rove managed to acquire an early galley version of the new book. He is disturbed about several matters but appears most deeply troubled about how the narrative proves he has had a complex relationship with convicted felon Jack Abramoff. Information provided to us for the book by an eyewitness and participant in Rove and Abramoff meetings gives lie to Rove and the White House’s claims that Abramoff was barely known by the administration. Karl has always known who has money to spend on politics and how to use those people. Our witness, who also told the same story to federal investigators, details meetings between Rove and Abramoff that show the two were using each other for their own political ends.
After reading the galley, Rove called Slater and denied the meetings ever occurred. He wants us to believe that our source simply made up the events and also lied to federal investigators.
List of DEMs and their support for Lamont: http://bobgeiger.blogspot.com/…..g-ned.html
err, *ilson? your accento is not quite workin’ right…
The Nefarious Leslie @ 48
Not originally, but KFBK is where he got his start in talk radio.
*ilson46201 @ 105
I’ll have the Chili Verde, por favor.
Fitz!
Spotlight!
randiego 88 – means getting a post left behind on a dead thread when a new one starts. So named for Evil Parallel Universe a beloved commenter who it happened to a lot back in the day.
(Jane or somebody, shouldn’t there be a faq here?)
And Imus – gods, don’t get me started. Ok, never mind, I’m started. To be continued.
GSD @ 94
Thanks for the link. That’s just messed up.
And Olbermann is talking about Allen right now…
To reach the producers, anchors and correspondents of Imus in the Morning, send your email to: Imus@msnbc.com
If you want to comment about something on MSNBC TV that you saw during the day or that doesn’t pertain to a particular show, send an email to: viewerservices@msnbc.com
John Casper @
49
I got tired of Wolfie and switched to Tweety in time to see the Official Republican Candidate for Connecticut-Senate advocate bombing Iran. Does that get Schlesinger above or below his current 6%? And what does the DeFacto Republican candidate think about that? And then Tweety ran George Felix Allen’s video insanity up close, full volume, uncut. He and his commenters batted it around for awhile, but Tweety kept calling it an ethnic slur. I may have to start watching Hardball again. (I stopped watching Imus long ago. Howard Stern without the intelligence.) Ah – and now KO is doing Allen. Hee hee.
arkieology – If Imus is being broadcast on public airwaves (radio) while he is doing cable, he has a standard of care that he must observe, even if he isn’t obligated by the now-defunct Fairness Doctrine.
His company uses publicly owned airwaves to carry his nonsense.
Perhaps MSNBC doesn’t see Imus as being anything more than another O’Reilly-like blowhard, but shareholders demand a helluva lot better than the sagging numbers that O’Reilly produces. Maybe the corporation needs to be reminded they don’t have access to the airwaves solely for their benefit, and that the risk-reward cost-benefit analysis on having Imus alienate roughly 50 percent of a market is a stupid, stupid move.
Furthermore, I don’t appreciate your insinuation about liberals and drug use. Why don’t you push that one with Limbaugh, since you don’t have a problem with illegal drug use and politico-media blowhards?
*ilson, nah, I trust you in English.
*ilson46201,
so is there anything in particular you have to do to get your umlauts and special characters to show up, and no I am not making oblique references to trolls?
I really think Allen did use “macaca” as a nick name…. behind closed doors. This time he slipped in public. Just like during the Alito hearings when Cornyn called Alito “Scalito” in public. The difference is that Cornyn caught his slip right away and it wasn’t racist.
Imus is just a pretty Ann Coulter
Loop @ 120
707!!!
Wasnt Imus canceled back in 1975??
Jacqrat — thanks much for the Imus/MSNBC contacts.
Don Imus unplugged
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Yea, I went Leslie @ 66,
About 50 people crowded into a verrrrrry small office (I sat on a box). Hopefully next time they do something like that it’s held in a park or something.
It was mostly college kids reading from a script about why Doolittle’s a crook and how Charlie is a great guy (which we all knew already, otherwise we wouldn’t be there … but they were trying). Not much training, but mostly giving us info.
And if you were driving on Auburn Blvd trying to find the office you were about 5 miles away from where you needed to be ;) you would have been in Citrus Heights not Roseville.
—————–
Anyone in the Bay Area want to meet/see Charlie, he’s going to be there tonight at Louies at 55 Stevenson St, San Fran at 6:00 PM
http://charliebrownforcongress.org/?p=48
“Imus’s ravings on Lieberman’s behalf are in no way helping Lieberman”
Do you think Imus’ support for Joe is hurting him?
Hugh — the trick seems to be in using the ‘edit’ function. The edit function available to mere mortals seems to garble interesting characters but moderators have a different edit screen which I avail myself of. It preserves umlauten u.s.w.
You, of all people, should be able to fully express your polyglotterie correctly marked.
Thanks Jacqrat.
GSD @ 83
You have got that right, GSD. So it’s nice to have the video to remind everyone else why they should vote for Jim Webb!
l8ter…..
#109: I didn’t know the Sacramento Valley had those… ughh… uglinesses in it’s past. I need to get me a ppaper bag for over my head, or in case I get sick thinking about it, or something. Yuck.
OMFG. I just slopped my iced chai tea, damned near hit my keyboard.
Imus. Pretty Coulter.
HAH!
Man you people move quick at twilight!
Imus – maestro of worst in-crowd MSM whore highschool bullshit – to listen to him is to physically feel the cocktail weenies beating upon your skull.
However, we got rid of the bastard on progressive talk 1260 here in DC. Everybody fucking hated him, and after they canned him they ran ads of callers saying “this guy is not progressive” and then saying we heard you.
Now its Mark Riley and Rachel Maddow in that slot. Sweet!
bushbehindbars @ 66
Fitz!
Good evening,
Would you all take a moment to send good wishes/thoughts/prayers to firefighters everywhere. There is a mountain to the south of the city I live in and it is on fire, burning 4500 acres so far, and only one structure so far.
Started by lightening on Saturday night, the fire worked its way down around the face of the mountain, and several neighborhoods below it have had to be evacuated. Plumes of smoke are rising high above the city, and the smell of smoke permeates the city on and off with the changing winds. The winds tonight will determine if the fire gets bad. There are 300 firefighter working on the mountain fire now, and they are doing a great job with difficult conditions.
Luckily, the fire hasn’t yet affected any homes and any wildlife should be getting out of its way. So thanks in advance for any prayers, etc.
Fitz!!! The law takes time…
grinding slow but exceeding fine . . .
BarbaraB — just before you joined Hardball, Chris grilled the Repub guy on whether he had a gaming problem and debts and whether he had been banned in casinos. He tried to dodge, but then denied any problem. After that, Chris tried to find if there’s any daylight between the guy and JL on the war(s)– and that’s when they got into bombing Iran — though I doubt there really is a difference there either.
*ilson46201 @ 81
Fitz broke, fix it!
[sorry; having Fitz fits]
People have already linked to Allen’s miserable non-apology. Need to get behind Webb for the safety of the country. Like I was saying, even worse than GW. Allen’s the type of guy who will get Putin in a headlock and bump his head into a doorpost, all in fun, a couse, and call him a commie pinko, with a laugh. Goose the prime minister of Germany, instead of just a neckrub. Then will get ugly when people get sensitive about… stuff.
wesgpc’s votinglinks @ 139
OK, another naive question. Does this guy have a good chance of being
elected President of the United States? Oh, never mind.
cleanup on aisle 125…
Egregious,
I was bemused enough with all such entertainment to give the TV to the plumber when the pipes stopped up five years ago.
I sleep better, I read more, I create more and after two months didn’t miss it at all. Now I have you lovelies, the web and You Tube to point out the serious bits to pay attention to. I’m a junkie in hotel rooms and my Fire Dog Lake habit may send me to a 12 Step.
With or without a TV, my heart bleeds daily and tears come frequently. Some ginger ale for your tummy and bandaids for Mary’s knees and then we must continue to witness and speak out.
Thanks for being here, speaking up.
Scarecrow and Mr. Casper, sir…
MY PLEASURE. You all do so much to keep me hopeful, every day. The very least I can do is look up a couple email addresses.
[curtsies]
egregious @ 82
egregious — have you ever read anything by Carolyn See? I think you’d like her. Her latest, There Will Never Be Another You, is a dystopian idyll (!) set a few years into the future about seeing beauty in this fk’d up world. Her memoir, Dreaming: Hard Luck and Good Times in America, is all about those 35 years of steps.
I’m in process of interviewing her for an article that’s going to be published next November, so I’ve been reading all her stuff — and it’s a pleasure.
Is Dodd gonna wake up with Imus’s horse head in his bed? Did anyone else catch that big ceramic horse and cowboy on the video?
Re: Imus’s ratings.
His ratings are not particularly good. But for some reason–wonder what it could be–GE luuurvs it. The Imus show is considered important by beltway insiders–politicos, pundits, and journos–because he lets them use his show as their forum. They get to hear themselves talk. What could be more important than that?
As for the stockholders, it could be that GE thinks the loss they take in media is more than made up by Bushco. War may not be healthy for children and other living things, but it’s positively wonderful for GE’s profits.
ok, cleanup at 125 and 139.
Hilda – my thoughts are with your honorable firefighters and your region. Keep us posted.
john in sacramento @ 123
Well, the dratted directions said to take the Auburn Blvd. exit, so I did. Oh, well; at least the Sacramento Do More Than Vote page is almost ready (only the fourth city nationwide to have a page)!
Jacqrat — [[bow]]
[homer S] mmmm…Rachel Maddow [/homer]
boy if I were 20 years younger. what a kickass combo of cutehood and excellence, that gal is the shizzle. I catch the end of her show driving to work where she laughs at whatever colleague Kent Jones dishes up. Her laughter is so therapeutic, I love it and look forward to it.
Imus is so dead, everything about him sounds and feels dead.
уже очищено
OT…Greg Palast….So Osama walks into this bar…
http://informationclearinghous…..e14551.htm
My thoughts are with you and your mountain full of firefighters, Hilda, thanks for asking for help.
Hi everyone! I’ve tried to watch Imus a few times and am aware of his good works (doesn’t he host terminally ill kids on his ranch?) but it’s that thing he does with his mouth, gum or something, that drives me crazy. Oh, that and his arrogance and superciliousness, too.
Rayne,
My purpose was not to principally say anything about Imus, but instead FDL’s reaction. i think more mileage could be gotten by humor rather than sanctimonious hand wringing. Just sayin.
I can’t hardly listen to him any more either, but there are a number of influential people that this site supports and encourages who actually go on his show. Should their approach be the puritan school marm who priscily scolds, that is the worst of small and large d democrats. I couldn’t give a rat’s ass about who is using the public airwaves. They have never been used in the general interest and we are here on a medium where we can speak as we please. Please.
The Nefarious Leslie @
147
And I can’t stand it, I’m sworn to secrecy, but save September 15 on your calendar for a very special Charlie Brown event with a very very special guest!
Jane, CT Bob, know anything about this “shakeup?” From Raw:
Democratic Connecticut Senate candidate Ned Lamont is preparing to “shake up his staff,” according to an article slated for the front page of Wednesday’s New York Times, RAW STORY has learned.
“A week after the biggest political defeat of his career, Sen. Joe Lieberman seems intent on staying in the race, and his campaign is showing some surprising vibrancy,” Patrick Healy and Nicholas Confessore write for the Times.
“He’s picked up endorsements from New York’s Mayor Michael Bloomberg, a Republican, and the Democratic House speaker in Connecticut, and the Bush White House has shied from endorsing his Republican opponent, suggesting the senator can pick up GOP votes from a weak candidate,” the article continues.
“Meanwhile, Ned Lamont, the Democratic nominee, is preparing to shake up his staff as he tries to refocus his race as an appeal to moderates, the core of Lieberman’s support,” the Times reports.
*ilson, honey, you ok up there? you’re not coming in to clearly…
Can you hear me now?
Mary4N That article is certainly a hopeful little piece, no? It seems like the wheels are actually coming off the Bush Bus. But watch out where the wreck lands!
LindaR at 21
Stop withering, you didn’t raise them.
Carolyn See – her book reviews in the WaPo have been the only reason to pick up that neocon rag for years.
Like his main competitor in NYC back in the old days before satellite radio, Good old weird Howard, said in his first autohagiography (paraphrased):
‘Imus is the only jock in town who looks like he got limo’ed to a park bench’…The relevancy flower in his palm is blinking, time for Carousel, Don…Tick…tick…tick…
;>)
Tweety kept asking his panel why Allen would say something like that directly into a camera. They had nothing, but Tweety kept coming back to it. I think he was waiting for someone to say Allen has an alcohol problem. No one has yet pointed out that Allen’s mother is French/Tunisian, but Tweety came close (although I could swear he said “pinot noir” instead of pieds noir.) And Tweety knows she’s Tunisian, although he may have forgotten. From Hardball last March:
However, people should come in here if they want to be a temporary worker, legally. If they want to become a citizen, they ought to come if legally. My mother came to this country after World War II, she came in legally.
MATTHEWS: Where did she come from.
ALLEN: Tunisia, North Africa.
MATTHEWS: Really? So you’re part Arab.
ALLEN: No, she’s Italian, French and a little Spanish.
MATTHEWS: I thought you might have an interesting ethnicity.
ALLEN: She speaks Arabic, as well as French and Italian.
MATTHEWS: That’s a fascinating background.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12079685/
Old Sow @ 153
From the link:
He asked me if, when I woke up, I checked the day’s terror color.
“I can’t say I ever have. I mean, who would?”
He smiled. “The terrorists.”
America is the only nation on the planet that kindly informs bombers, hijackers and berserkers the days on which they won’t be monitored. You’ve got to get up pretty early in the morning to get a jump on George Bush’s team.
There are three possible explanations for the Administration’s publishing a good-day-for-bombing color guidebook.
1. God is on Osama’s side.
2. George is on Osama’s side.
3. Fear sells better than sex.
A gold star if you picked #3.
Is there anything these people don’t turn to sh*t? Never mind, I know the answer.
Sharkbabe — Imus is so dead, everything about him sounds and feels dead.
So I guess the question is, who listens to/watches this guy? Millions, or just thousands?
But there’s also the issue of why a network would allow him to be their guy. It’s more than about Imus, I think; it’s about what MSNBC tolerates/encourages — because that determines whether Coulter/Morgan get invited on Hardball, where lots of folks watch.
DEPU’d [invented here]
twolf1 @ 149
No no no no…it’s always the #2 or #3 guy.
Remand to the
Ministry of Propagandapublic affairs office for correction.arkie – “more mileage could be gotten by humor rather than sanctimonious hand wringing”. Have you read FDL very often?
*humming, tapping one tap-shoe*
zennurse — computer problem solved?
LindaR @ 156
Ooh, Linda, I’m gonna make you tell! ;)
Mitch Egoss –
Check GE’s stock performance. Sure, they pay a dividend, but I could do a LOT better than this dog. I have, hands down, with both GOOG and AAPL. In similar sector/industry, I’d have done FAR better with ITT or COL; both outperformed the SPY over the last 5 years while GE didn’t. Cripes, I’d have fared better with that money in an index fund…
I’d have sold the damned GE if it wasn’t for my spouse’s stubborn insistence on hanging on to this as part of our portfolio’s asset diversification.
Right now it’s only worth entertainment value to me, as well as a vehicle to get after Imus.
we have several Reverends that post here and they aren’t too sanctimonious — often irreverent but never irrelevant!
Imus is the ultimate skating-on-white-boy-privilege white boy.
Guess what? Your day is over, asshole.
Hi Scarecrow!
Not yet, but my best friend is loaning for a bit tonight. We were too busy at work for me to pick one up, so tomorrow I’m going to hassle the Geeks and if it’s too much longer, I’ll follow through on my plan. It’s been 4 weeks!!!
Thanks for asking; I feel like I have a sick child or something.
*sigh* We’re regular watchers of Imus at our house. Yes, there’s a lot to gripe about…the Teddy Kennedy and Clinton imitations, the absense of ones for Pork Chop Butt [his endearment for Chee-Knee] and Rummy, etc. And Bernie…is often loathsome, but he’s reciting his lines. This is entertainment. And too often it’s a lot more revelatory of what’s going on in DC than the “real” news. Kind of like a couple up and coming younger guys on later in the night.
What’s not to love about a man who promotes Colbert and Jon Stewart frequently? And gets better morning ratings than the competition in his time slot? And is a bellweather for what spin’s coming down. And shame on the Dems who were too stupid, wimpy, spineless, whatever to make the most of it.
Russert’s not the only frequent guest, Dodd and Lieberman are frequent, too. So I surmise this morning was far more about schtick than substance. Pokin’ at people. And, guess what. He does it well.
Having said all that, in the summer he broadcasts from the ranch he established for cancer kids with the mentoring of Paul Newman and Ham Jordan. He’s been stand-up for the Dixie Chicks while the rest of rant radio and Clear Channel have trashed them. He raises millions for his charity and big bucks out of his own pocket, and pitches in for others, like autism and SIDS…and the rehab center for seriously wounded Iraq vets.
If you don’t like him, hey, don’t watch him. But also, don’t jump into ad hominem attacks without context. And as one of the seasoned commenters here, known to wear a straw cowboy hat of my own from time to time, please keep in mind that Imus isn’t the only one who’s been around a while…including some of the savviest people I read here on FDL.
Hi zen! Hope you’re fine and well-rested. We miss you.
Same to you, Sharkbabe.
White nectarine alert! They are peaking right about now and they are really fantastic.
I thought this was the money quote…
egregious @ 82 –
I’m a great truster in dreams too – in some ways even living by them. The 35 years [ 25 or so for me ] gives plenty of time to separate the dramatics from the message. Mine took me to Belgium where I learned to really live and appreciate friends, wine and excellent food…
A night without a dream seems like a day without sunshine.
This is a crucial part of the nazification of America. Every country does its nazi gig in its own way. America, being the land of mass consumerism and anti-intellectualism, has done it through the destruction of the fairness doctrine. It is important (though will go unnoticed) that people in other countries are watching us and worrying. It is a sign of how secure our home-grown nazi’s are that they can openly state their position on a broadcast medium.
The health of our democracy requires restoring fairness on the public bandwidth.
Meta at 155
Yeah – They’re all going back to college in a couple of weeks.
scarecrow – I don’t know. And I don’t want to be Bush and live in my own delusional wishful thinking. Corp media continue to be in drooling lockstep with the junta overall, but some something is shifting even there. Little rats of truth are gnawing at the pier.
arkieology — handwringing? not here. Obviously you’ve missed the “outreach” projects les grandes dames du lac have set in motion.
What looks like idle kvetching is a prelude to action. Like Imus’ comments getting Spotlighted.
Or in my case, a little shareholder activism. I’d thoroughly enjoy tweaking Jack Welch’s house to make the case that his approach to management drags down shareholder value over the long haul, the very definition of unethical business practices.
At least that’s what they taught me in business school.
Lost my comment, I think.
Scarecrow, my computer is still in the hospital, it’s been 4 weeks!! We were too busy at work over the weekend for me to get to the store, so I’ll look into how much longer mine will be in ICU, and likely pick up a basic one tomorrow. I NEVER want to go through this again.
Thanks for asking, I’m on “slow and stupid” for a while tonight again. No you tube, I had to download Real Player just to listen to the radio; my best friend is very sweet, but she uses this only for email, absolutely nothing else.
Run, Imus, Run!!!
Ooops, they caught him. Not much of a runner.
‘Imus is the only jock in town who looks like he got limo’ed to a park bench’
LMAO
Meta! thanks, I miss you, too.
I’ll be back soon.
Prairie, sorry, we have to agree to disagree. A radio host advocating the boycott of a political party, no matter what other redeeming qualities they may have, subscribes to control of a publicly-owned resource for their own or their employer’s political ends.
I can’t support it, either as a citizen or a GE shareholder.
What’s up with that stupid asshole with the hat on?
Prairie, it’s nice to read you, too. Thanks for the perspective, and I was pretty sure I remembered about his ranch. I think I’m just getting too old and tired to put up with the schtick- not just his, everyone’s, from Tweety’s wide eyed “Wow” demeanor to Katie the Perky. I never did Fox in any way. I just don’t do TV anymore because of all the posturing and nastiness. It’s probably not good for me, keeps me soft and idealistic, but it’s better for my health. Don’t you think this comment of Imus’ is pretty silly, about not inviting Dems on his show if they don’t support Lieb? Even if he’s a mush at heart, it’s pretty stupid, imo.
Rayne,
Sorry only one Lady of the Lake, and if you want to know what she’s been up to lately check out Excalibrator on my website jaspersbox.com.
Action is good, and not wishing to cast aspersions but be careful with limited liability corporations, dragons from a bygone day, worthy of scorn. But I do protest too much. What ever floats your boat, go get him, get GE before it gets you. Imus’ll be long dead before you get anywhere and Dodd, Kerry, Ford, and a slew of other liberals will give their right arm to be ambidextrious enough to exchange bull shit with the old fart.
I never got much joy in stopping other people from doing something.
burningbush @
121
I thought he was cancelled just after the Great War.
Rayne @ 179
Rayne, do you think this shareholder activism might work for progressives on a large scale? Lots of us owning a little to have some say??
Prairie sunshine #171,
Thanks for the counterbalance. I have listened to Imus and miss being able to listen regularly. He and his buddies insult everyone, and it’s usually pretty funny. I don’t have to agree with everything he says, but I don’t have to do that here either.
lisadawn82 @
176
Oh, I see.
Prairie 171 – thanks. I’ve tended to see Imus bullshit kneejerkwise and not be clued into the good. I actually have always appreciated his iconiclastic fuck-all-assholes.
But bottom line, he’s empowered the entire MSM whore paradigm with his power, as opposed to doing something else with that power. Good on him for the stuff on his ranch and all that. However Bush’s agenda is to have all non-rich humans have no pensions and no SS and live out their miserable lives at Burger King and then die asap. We are in warfare and comfy millionair Imus doesn’t get it and why should he, he’s in the Bushco demographic.
that’s fantastic reasoning from that craggy sack of a has-been. just disregard a primary because you don’t like the outcome…
imus is fucking clown shoes.
OT and no link (I’m moving slowly into this century) der Spiegel has a really terrific interview with Jimmy Carter at it’s online site. Shocking to read an interview with an American president who speaks so clearly and uses English so well. sigh.
Meta at 189 – My comments about Ned shaking up his campaign staff are only due to my observation that many of his staff were college students and nothing to do with any inside info. That was just a best guess on my part. I’m also betting that the paper dramatized it just a bit for better copy.
new thread: “sore loserman”
Ya know, I am 40 and consider myself fairly media savvy, however it must have been before my time that this human dead wood some how earned his way to having the audiences he does. Each time I am channel surfing, I her nothing but a imbecile is a hat sout of little about nothing. The last time he had Ricky the Rooster on during the time they were looking into his empty house in PA., he let Ricky-boy just go off on how his family could have been in danger (even though he didn’t live there). Not once did that stale crusty, deadwood, chicken-hawk ask him if that was in fact Ricky’s residence. Dems should abandon this guy and take a good look at his kiddie ranch tax haven cuz you know its for the kids.
Thanks, lisadawn. Well, in any case, it will be interesting to see how he tweaks things to broaden his base.
I did my bit to the AP and to Bloombergs :)
EPU’ed from the last post. Bringing it up here because I think it’s important:
OT, but access to a map of earmarks totaling $503,000 in the current appropriations bill:
They’re asking everyone to get on the phone to their congresspeople and find out just who is sponsoring these. I think if “they” (”they” being the dark side) can look for patterns, so can we.
One of the most interesting things to me is seeing where the dollars are concentrated and who gets the lion’s share. Now, there’s a pattern. I love it when data is displayed well :)
Rayne @ 169
Ride that vehicle for all its worth, Rayne. Also, you should note that in spite of the performance of the stock, the insiders who run GE are doing very well for themselves. In other words, they are getting a fine return on their investment in wingnuttery, as have Richard Mellon Scaife and the Coors.
Just imagine how large the multiple on the investment in the Heritage Foundation, etc. will be if their Republican handservants pass the estate tax repeal.
I agree with Rayne, Sharkebabe, et al: I wasn’t assuming that this is like “Judging my life,” (Albert Brooks?) in which we debate whether Imus is a decent enough human being to move to the next phase when he dies. For all I know, he’s a better man than I. But that wasn’t the point.
The question was whether we ought to be indifferent/silent wrt to a threat to keep Dems off an important network show during an important time segment, for any reason, let alone the perverse reason that they might not support his candidate – who just happens to be, the opponent of our preferred candidate. These are still the public’s airwaves, and I think what he’s suggesting is wrong, and would be wrong is supported by his network, even without the threat to Dodd, which is another cause for concern.
Don Imus audio clips
http://mediamatters.org/issues…..le/donimus
Judge for yourself
Eeep! Here’s the link. Sorry.
When did making fun of people become such a pleasing pastime? I suppose these intolerant radio shows and talking head shows now get their money from the big politicians instead of from advertisers. I myself hate when others get ridiculed just because their beliefs are different. Too bad we no longer have television and radio journalists. It seemed to be a good trade in the ole days…
According to Wikipedia,”In high school he was impeached as class president for behaving like a dictator.” Imus, that is.
Nothing’s changed, has it?
Dewey @
196
Evidently, you never had Moby Worm eat your high school
;>)
PS @ 172:
Prairie, you’re alright…And I didn’t talk smack about Imus’ listener/viewers. Shucks, I used to watch Morton Downey Jr., that doesn’t make me a Jerry Springer center seat guest.
But I would like to make one point clear…Nobody ‘bailed’ on Lieberman until after the primary, which was won by Lamont according to the will of Nutmeg state Democratic voters. Whoever has ‘bailed’ since is doing so because of the process-based tradition of supporting the primary winner…i.e., not Lieberman.
If Imus would prefer to support an independent run by his pal Joey, say so…And the same goes in the unlikely event that he simply doesn’t understand the primary process.
But to call the August 8th primary vote (and by extension, those who voted and participated in it) ’stupid’…Let’s just say a man’s got to know his limitations.
Imus is an old fart and has been who doesn’t know he is old and out of it. He suffering from arrested development and still thinks he doing drugs and alcohol and that he is “farm out”.
Back from walking the doggies in the mellow summer evening air. Here’s the thing, I know I’m repeating…this kind of comment/threat is standard Imus. He pokes at people. Especially people who are frequent guests on his show. Do I believe he’ll banish all non-J-Lie supporters between now and election. No.
But seems to me we’ve lost some of the high moral tone of the Spotlight intro thread and what can be accomplished with carrots rather than sticks with the freeperesque tone of many of the comments in this thread.
Now maybe some civil suggestions to his show addy about the fact that he overlooked the issue of Santorum’s residence will elicit a more pointed round of questioning when Ricky’s on his show in the morning. Or more current questions that have cropped up more recently–like, say, the Green signature collecting?
And it wouldn’t hurt to ask if Lieberman has signed on to the autism bill? Or if he’d consider asking Lamont to be on his show…. just sayin’. We succeed more by movin’ small stones than bashing anvils against boulders. The boulder doesn’t feel it and it’s gonna hurt us like hell in the morning.
Love Stern when he goes on about Imus’ “charity ranch”-how much money gets written off, and how few kids get the “privilege” of spending time with Imus :(
This is a cheap shot at the mentally impaired. Imus has been senile for at least the last fifteen years and it’s a good thing you don’t have to change his diapers.
mahaleela @ 141
That’s JUST what I’m talkin’ about w respect to/wrt the ministry of encouragement. Thank you for helping and supporting me, as a mentally ill yet politically active person it is a delicate balancing act.
Stick around long enough and you too will witness an egregious crash/meltdown.
I figure God must have a sense of humor, to ask someone w my deficits to go invent some program and work overseas. As a Christian I obey His call on my life/destiny but I question, with my fist in the air, just like people do in the angry psalms–very under-studied at church.
Prairie, I don’t want to put you in a position of justifying or defending Imus…Not your responsibility at all.
But if he’s going to say:
…Then he can go on, get up, and sit next to Rush, Savage, Beck and similar assclowns on the ‘proudly and loudly ignorant of their own country’s political processes’ bench.
I’m a big believer in the will of the people…If Connecticut had voted Lieberman into the primary, my take would have been ‘too bad, tried our best, but the voters have the final say’…That’s not a stupid concept at all, and riffing on it obliquely to ‘poke at people’, well…
I agree with your other points(Santorum, Autism, Green sigs, Lamont) at 209…
Tres sensible.
What Dems would want to go on that show? He’s become the biggest shill for GE and the oil industry that one could imagine. And Imus is hardly a paragon of virtue. Piercing Bubble-boy Imus’ protected inner sanctum would be as easy as pie if he were ever to risk actual dialogue with a progressive on that show. Imus and his unfortunate sycophants are very ill positioned should the political winds every truly change in this country. His telephonic dry humping of Andrea Mitchell every week is the most vivid example of why it is Imus who must be shunned, not the other way around. And fuck him to dare call HIllary “Satan” after Bush and Cheney have wrought unfathomed destruction on every thing they have touched. Just… Fuck. Him.
ReneND — oh, absolutely, I would love to see an investment group or fund set up solely for the purposes of shareholder activism. There are funds that are dedicated to avoiding unethical investments, but to my mind this only avoids the problem and fails to address the root problem that continues to fester.
It could be argued that a fund of this nature might not be ethical, since shareholders should be focused on increasing value. But that’s not what I learned in business school. In Business Ethics I was taught that ethical business decisions were those that increased long-term shareholder value with reasonable decency and distributive justice. Reasonableness, decency, distributive justice are rather fuzzy terms, but long-term shareholder value isn’t. In my experience, only moral and ethical firms are those that create long-term shareholder value, because failing to make ethical decisions ultimately drains value over the long run. It’s possible to strive for short-term value; unfortunately, most corporations in America do so, looking only from quarter to quarter, giving lip service to multi-year goals; shareholders are equally culpable because it is they who demand such performance and threaten to oust CEO’s or boards for lack of short-term performance.
Prairie — I don’t really care for Imus. I don’t like his schtick. But then that’s why I don’t waste my time with his program. If I wanted funny, I’d look for Bob and Tom; if I wanted opinion and information, I’d flip to NPR. Both give more value IMO than Imus.
But Imus crossed the line when he says he’s going to boycott a political party on public airwaves. That demands action of citizens, not just listeners.
And as a shareholder, I find his actions to be potentially degrading to long-term shareholder value — unethical. Shareholders should reasonably ask for improvements to product lines and this one is asking for it.
arkieology – “I never got much joy in stopping other people from doing something.” Hmm. I would have gotten immense pleasure from stopping Bush from launching the Iraq War. I hope you can think of something like that which would give you pleasure.
Rayne,
Good point, not sure I completely agree with the comparison, but there are things that I would try to stop other people doing, bullying being one. I will still fall back on the fact that Imus exists in this world now, and there are better ways to get to him, his viewers and guests than stopping him. but each to his own taste. Bonsoir et bon chance.
How come I’m in purple? Not that’s there’s anything wrong with it.
arkieology — it’s a marker, that pinkish/purplish header in your most recent post. It helps you in a fast pasted thread to locate where your last post is in relationship to any new posts. Try it in a fresher thread, click refresh button or F5 and watch what happens.
fast pasted = fast paced
Ugh. I think I need to hit the hay early tonight.
Rayne,
Thanks, kinda new at this.
Til next time.
Arkieology
When my dad was on strike against Phelps Dodge, I asked him why the Steelworkers and the Machinists didn’t buy a few reporters the way the company did. At least his dues would have been put to good use.
As it was, the union was decertified and to this day the miners are still living with the smear of attempted murder. I was on the picket line when an ABC crew started throwing rocks to make better film. Not one single striker turned violent. That was an eye opener. News made to order.
Hindsight being a wonderful thing, why don’t the Dems buy a few reporters, for that matter, their own pipe. This is war, right?
Imus is a loser.
It’s great that some of you know that NBC is owned by General Electric.Appearently, not enough realize that the MS of MSNBC is MicroSoft. Maybe some of you righteous ones could turn some anger towards Bill Gates.Asshole that he is, Imus does,consistently, refer to Lieberman’s pro Iraq war position as “unfortunate”.I suspect that at some time,Lieberman was instrumental in a donation to the Imus Ranch.Anyone with a new book out wants to go on the Imus show,Repub or Demo. Who doesn’t want to move some units? This is weird.Imus promotes the “Opie and Anthony” radio show; and they talk about sexual subjects you could never imagine Holy Joe endorsing.The “Imus Show” was on break for days before Lieberman was beaten.Imus now blames himself for not getting the good word out in time to boost Joe’s numbers.Personally, I think Imus’s support worked JUST the WAY I LIKE IT.Ha, Ha!
Uh, John…MS started divesting its interest in MSNBC in December, 2005.
Who watches that dummy’s show anyway? He is a total dimwit. Even Rush Limbaugh has a higher IQ than Imus.
I wish ALL politicians would stop appearing on Imus’ show. Who is he to demand a ‘command performance’ for his show? He’s a backstabbing has been!
The fact that an unentertaining racist piece of shit like Don Imus is so popular these days speaks volumes about how far we’ve fallen.